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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The so called womb raider

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Speaker 1: meets a lady justice in court in the murder of

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. That's right. The Chicago woman known as

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Speaker 1: the so called womb raider murders a pregnant teen girl

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Speaker 1: and actually cuts her unborn baby from her stomach. Just

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Speaker 1: sentenced to fifty years behind bars? Why not life behind bars?

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. Clarissa Figuredoha, fifty one, got the

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Speaker 1: sentence in a Cook County courtroom in the last days

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Speaker 1: after she pled guilty to first degree murder in the

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Speaker 1: horrific death of nineteen ten year old Marlon a Choa Lopez.

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Speaker 1: Before she entered her guilty plea Figureoha sat in court

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Speaker 1: stoically and listened to the devastated a Choa Lopez family,

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Speaker 1: who said an open court punishment will never be enough

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Speaker 1: for what fig Roha did. Marlon's mom spoke out, stating, quote,

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Speaker 1: the loss of my daughter's life is something I will

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Speaker 1: never overcome. What exactly happened.

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Speaker 2: Nine months pregnant when she went missing hours later that

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Speaker 2: same day, a forty six year old woman came running

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Speaker 2: out of her home here, claiming that she had just

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Speaker 2: given birth to a baby boy and he wasn't breathing.

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Speaker 2: The baby was rushed to christ and he remains there

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Speaker 2: in intensive care. The family has since determined Marlane came

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Speaker 2: to the home on seventy seventh Place to swap items

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Speaker 2: arranged through a Facebook group called help a Sister Out

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Speaker 2: the older woman, and claim to have a stroller and

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Speaker 2: other items. Neighbors say the people being questioned include the

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Speaker 2: forty six year old woman, per boyfriend, per daughter, and

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Speaker 2: a man in his twenties. They were also surprised by

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Speaker 2: an alleged birth since no one knew of a pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: A pregnant mom, we believe strangled dead, her baby cut

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Speaker 1: from her womb after she's lured to a home by

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Speaker 1: a woman she meets on Facebook. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. You

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Speaker 1: are hearing our friend at WGN nine Nancy lu reporting

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Speaker 1: on the disappearance of Marlyn A. Choa. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to this.

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Speaker 2: The Medical Examiner's office tells me they are examining remains

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Speaker 2: recovered from this property. Yesterday and an autopsy is pending.

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Speaker 2: Relatives of Marlene Ochoa are awaiting positive identification, but they

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Speaker 2: fear it is likely her detectives removing massive amounts of

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Speaker 1: Wow, you're hearing from wg N nine reporter Nancy Leu,

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Speaker 1: this gorgeous young mother strangled dead. We believe her baby

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Speaker 1: cut from her womb. It's almost too much to take

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Speaker 1: in joining me an all star panel medical examiner, doctor

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Speaker 1: Chris Sperry. Doctor Sperry, the woman, and may just point

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Speaker 1: out that she's one of three women we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: But this woman strangled dead and her baby cut from

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Speaker 1: her womb. Have you ever seen anything like it before?

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sperry, Yes, I have.

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Speaker 3: I have seen several cases identical to this. They're rare,

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Speaker 3: but not vanishingly rare. And the setting of another woman

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Speaker 3: who wants a baby. Sometimes she has accomplices, but the

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Speaker 3: pregnant woman is kidnapped or lured in some way and

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Speaker 3: then strangled, sometimes to the just to the point of unconsciousness,

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Speaker 3: just like this, where a woman who was not pregnant

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Speaker 3: but the pregnant woman bled to death after having her

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Speaker 1: Well, in the famous words of Oscar Wilde, be careful

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Speaker 1: what you ask, my dear, for you will surely get it.

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Speaker 1: When I asked you, had you ever seen anything like

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Speaker 1: this before? I certainly did not expect to hear that

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Speaker 1: let me get away from doctor Chris Berry for just

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Speaker 1: one moment. And although I can't get the image out

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Speaker 1: of my mind that he just described, let's just start

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Speaker 1: at the beginning. I want to talk about.

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Speaker 4: Marlynn Nancy Marlin went missing. She was in her ninth

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Speaker 4: month of pregnancy, just before her due date, and her

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Speaker 4: family has been desperately searching. Unfortunately, in the last couple

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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment the location where she went

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Speaker 1: the day she went missing. Take a listen to WGN

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Speaker 1: nine reporter Dana Rebick.

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Speaker 5: We now know that the vehicle, the car matching the

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Speaker 5: description of this missing Pilsen pregnantine, was found on this

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Speaker 5: very street six days ago. Police are now questioning the

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Speaker 5: us she was not pregnant, but she did call nine

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Speaker 5: one one two weeks ago to report that she had

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Speaker 6: Seventy seventh place.

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Speaker 1: Please the caller gave birth ten minutes ago, forty.

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Speaker 2: Six years of aabes.

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Speaker 7: The baby is a breathing.

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Speaker 2: Baby, is pale and blue.

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Speaker 5: At six eleven pm on April twenty third, just three

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Speaker 5: hours after missing pregnant nineteen year old Marlon o'choa was

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Speaker 5: last seen in Pilsen, a woman calls nine one one,

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Speaker 5: claiming she just gave birth. Neighbors saw her come outside screaming.

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Speaker 1: She just said that she came out, Oh, I had

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Speaker 8: I had my baby, and then she was just bloody

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Speaker 1: I mean I thought it was strange that she was so.

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Speaker 7: Old and pregnant.

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Speaker 9: She said the baby was at the hospital because she

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Speaker 9: headed at home, so they took her to the hospital.

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Speaker 7: They had some type of.

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Speaker 6: Golf one where they raised money for the kids.

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Speaker 1: Good gravy. So I'm just thinking about luring a mom

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Speaker 1: to a home claiming you're selling used baby clothing, And

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Speaker 1: that is exactly what doctor Chris Berry said happened in

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Speaker 1: previous cases. He had been working doctor Bethany Marshall. We

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Speaker 1: need a shrink because I wanted a family. I did,

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Speaker 1: but I went years and years and years thinking that

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Speaker 1: would never happen. The thought of taking stealing somebody else's

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Speaker 1: baby much less kidnap, but kidnapping and hurting a pregnant

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, there is a very specific profile of a

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Speaker 6: woman who does this. Usually she has something called pseudosysis.

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Speaker 6: Pseudosysis is when a woman imagines a false pregnancy, even

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Speaker 6: if there's no baby bump. Usually she will become obsessed,

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Speaker 6: I'd even throw her own baby shower. Usually these women

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Speaker 6: all kinds of story holes. They talk about being pregnant

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Speaker 6: there's no signs of pregnancy. They turn homicidal, they do

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Speaker 6: they will actually cut the baby out of the pregnant

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in court, the victim's husband,

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Speaker 1: father of their older son and of the baby killed

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Speaker 1: by the mother daughter duo, states, your punishment will never

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Speaker 1: be enough because my son will never be able to

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Speaker 1: hug his mother. Ever. I lost my family and that

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Speaker 1: will always stay with me, the grieving dad said in

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Speaker 1: tears outside the courtroom after sentencing with her hitch person

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Speaker 1: daughter Desiree Figureoha twenty nine. The two women lured the

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Speaker 1: of free baby clothes for the unborn child. It was

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Speaker 1: April twenty three. Daughter defendant, twenty nine year old Desiree

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Speaker 1: figure Roha, had been showing the nine month pregnant victim

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Speaker 1: a photo album of her adult brother who had recently

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Speaker 1: passed away. While looking at this photo album, the mother, Clarissa,

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Speaker 1: came up behind the victim and strangled her dead with

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Speaker 1: a cable. According to prosecute, can you even imagine that

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Speaker 1: Clarissa dei Goroja, then ordered her daughter to get a

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Speaker 1: butcher knife, and she cut the baby from the victim's stomach.

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Speaker 1: After they removed the child, they wrapped the mom's body

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Speaker 1: their home. They then called nine one one, trying to

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Speaker 1: pass off the baby as their own, telling the operator

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Speaker 1: the kneeborn wasn't breathing. The baby boy died two months

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Speaker 1: later after severe brain damage. What more do we know?

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Speaker 9: Officials confirming those human remains that were found with those

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Speaker 9: of Marlon o'choa. Right now, police are conducting a search

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Speaker 9: of the property behind me. Their attention seems focused on

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Speaker 9: a fire pit area in the backyard. Today a stunning

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Speaker 9: twist the mysterious disappearance of Marlon o'choa. Relatives say her

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Speaker 9: newborn baby is in critical condition at christ Hospital in Oaklawn.

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Speaker 5: The detectives went to see the baby, get the DNA

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Speaker 5: testing and confirm that dead as Marlin's.

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Speaker 9: Baby, and late today tragic word. The medical examiner confirming

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Speaker 9: Ochoa's death through human remains discovered near this home where

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Speaker 9: yesterday four people were taken away from questioning.

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Speaker 10: One of them.

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Speaker 9: According to neighbors, a woman in her forties who won

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Speaker 9: April twenty third, the day Ochoa disappeared, was seen outside

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Speaker 9: holding a baby wrapped in a towel.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend at ABC seven eyewitness knees Eric Horn.

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Speaker 1: But that's not all.

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Speaker 9: Relatives say Ochoa's car was found near the home last week,

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Speaker 9: and they say social media posts suggest Ochoa and that

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Speaker 9: chat group from others, The medical examiner says O'hoa's death

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Speaker 9: has been ruled a homicide by strangulation.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how you would even go about

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Speaker 1: taking a baby be out of a woman's tummy, And

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Speaker 1: a set off car keys joining me right now, Stephen

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Speaker 1: Lampley detective. You can find them at Stephen Lampley dot com.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, you know when you hear about a body

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Speaker 1: near a fire pit, in any attempt to burn a body,

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Speaker 1: that's very hard to do and leaves behind evidence. Stephen Lampley,

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Speaker 1: what would you be looking for on this scene? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we already know one woman was seen holding a baby

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Speaker 1: and a towel. I believe I would start with her

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Speaker 1: lamp play well, of.

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Speaker 8: Course, so you're going to start with it with her

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Speaker 8: and talk to her, uh, and then based on again,

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Speaker 8: based on what I know, it seemed like that they

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Speaker 8: would be able to get a search warrant fairly easily,

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Speaker 8: which of course they did, and they found, of course

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Speaker 8: the body, and then you're right. It is very, very

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Speaker 8: very difficult to burn human body, even in a funeral home.

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Speaker 10: The temperature has to be so incredibly hot for an

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Speaker 10: extended period of time in order to do that. It's

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Speaker 10: it's virtually impossible on Leyman's level to burn a body

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Speaker 10: beyond recognition where it can't be discovered of who it

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Speaker 10: was by DNA.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just trying to take all of this

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Speaker 1: in as it relates back to the missing mom then

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Speaker 4: What was the cause of death for Marlin Nancy? The

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Speaker 4: cause of death was ligature strangulation.

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Speaker 1: Got dispairy. What's the difference between ligature and manual strangulation

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Speaker 1: or asphyxiation and how can you tell the difference?

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Speaker 3: Sure, Ligature strangulation is when something like a cord or

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Speaker 1: The human remains were in a garbage can. Are you

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Speaker 1: You know, trying to figure something out, Doctor Chris Perry,

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Speaker 1: The mom, Merlin was strangled first before the baby was

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Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't usually what happens is that well in

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Speaker 1: You know, we were taking a look at the disappearance

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Speaker 5: Neighbors say the woman told them the baby had brain

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Speaker 1: Teen crime stories with Nancy Grace, a mother daughter duo

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Speaker 1: A DNA test later confirmed the baby that Clarissa figured

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Speaker 1: was actually the victims out to Troy's lighton California. Defense attorney, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you got your work cut out for you. You see

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Speaker 7: Certainly, a forty six year old woman walking out with

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Speaker 1: Into your defense. It doesn't look good.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna definitely dive in to a mental illness defense.

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Speaker 7: Somebody that is going to kill a pregnant woman and

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Speaker 7: There's three other people that are being questioned then that

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Speaker 1: Well, there's no honor amongst thieves or killers. The daughter,

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Speaker 1: Desiree figure Oha, got a lighter sentence of thirty years

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Speaker 1: to concealing a murder. It's unbelievable what these two devils

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us out of LA you

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Speaker 1: can find with doctor Bethanymarshall dot com Bethany the thinking

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Speaker 1: It's just something I can't really get my head around.

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Speaker 6: What you have to keep in mind is the word obsessional.

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Speaker 6: I once treated a woman with pseudocyesis meaning a fake pregnancy.

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Speaker 6: She talked to her mom, her siblings, everybody in her life.

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Speaker 6: So unlike a bank robber who might plan to rob

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Speaker 10: With other people.

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Speaker 6: So I wouldn't think it's so difficult to find the

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Speaker 6: perpetrator if you keep inside you keep in your mind

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Speaker 6: the word obsessed, obsessed with motherhood, but it's obsessed in

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, a so called womb raidar Clarissa

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Speaker 1: Figuroja gets fifty years behind bars for really murdering a

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Speaker 1: severe brain damage. The daughter of the defaise and it

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Speaker 1: Fifty years behind bars, thirty years behind bars, that's nothing

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Speaker 1: without his mother. Justice in a way. Goodbye friend,