WEBVTT - Empire Records with Shelli Nicole 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.760 On the be Dol Cast. The questions asked if movies 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.480 have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.680 and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:16.960 in best start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hey Jamie, 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:22.439 Hey Caitlan. Guess what, but it's Rex Manning Day on 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.960 the Bechdel Cast. How are you going to celebrate? I'm 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.720 going to get the ugliest self tanner I can possibly find, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:36.640 and and uh and and uh. I don't know is 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.040 there a full music video for that? Because I want 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.840 to see it. It seems like they shot a full one. Yeah. 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.080 I was kind of into like until you get to 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.280 know him better. I was kind of interacts Manning's like sound. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.120 I was like, you know, I was like, you know, 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.440 I I know he's he's there for the moms, but 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.560 I would show up. What's the song? Say no more 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.560 mona more? It's really good? I was like, you know, 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.240 I could I can put that in my morning rotation, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.600 No problem. Sure, how are you going to be observing 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:11.920 Rex Manning Day? I am going to I was gonna say, 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.680 remember when he punches a teenager? I was gonna say, 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.160 I'm gonna punch a teenager. But I'm not going to 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.520 do that. Remember what the protagonist of the movie also 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.880 punches a teenager. You have Joe punch as a teenager. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.840 But they're like no, but it's a paternal thing. You're like, well, 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:29.160 that does make it worse. But okay, so much happens 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.960 in this movie, and yet not that much happens in 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.120 the movies. To me. The main character is liv Tyler's 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.720 crop top, and that is very important to me. The 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.520 true protagonists. I love it, I want it, I can't 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.160 pull it off. Uh, it's the Empire Records episode of 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.920 the Back Took. Yes. So this is our show where 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.680 we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:58.240 Bechtel Tests simply as a jumping off point for our discussion. Jamie, 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.400 can you remind me on this bright and sunny mix 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:10.800 Rex Manning Day the mixed Franny? Yikes, my brain is tired. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:18.360 Can you remind me what the Bechtel cast Nope podcast 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.040 about it? It's a dark okay. The Bechtel test is 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:27.320 was like, Caitlin, wake up, wake up, you're dreaming. He's 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.079 going great. I ate some weed brownies and now I'm 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.760 in a gar eight music video. Oh. I was like, Kyla, 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.640 you can't. You don't do that. I ate fruit and 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.560 nuts this morning and I got like grate. I started like, 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.919 I got mad at I don't sometimes when make healthy choices, 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.119 I'm like, who the funk do you think you are? 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.000 I was like looking at my fruit and nuts like, oh, oh, 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.320 you're really going to make a change. Get a grip. Anyways, 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:56.720 the Bectel test is, and those internal monologues past the 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:01.120 Bechtel test. Wow, true, Yeah, because my rage it myself 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.840 is about women. So the Bechtel test is a media 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:10.960 metric created by alsin Bechtels, sometimes called the Bucktel Wallace test. Uh. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.280 Many different versions of this test, but the one that 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.080 we use on the show requires that two characters of 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.399 a marginalized gender with names must speak to each other 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.440 about something other than a man for more than two 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.280 lines of dialogue. And as you will learn in our 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.840 Empire Records episode, it doesn't matter how weird or chaotic 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:38.520 that dialogue is. So that's the Becktel test. We're covering 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.080 Empire Records today. It's been a request for quite some time, 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.120 and we have an amazing guest to observe, Rex Manning 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.080 Day with Oh my Gosh, I can't wait. So. She 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.200 is a culture editor at Auto Straddle. She's also written 0:03:53.240 --> 0:04:03.160 for Thrillist, Bitch Media, and Vogue Magazine. She is Shelley Nicole. Welcome. Um. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.200 We were toying off Mike with introducing I mean, we're 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.280 all in on it, but possibly bring you in as 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.119 Shreky Nicole and just seeing how far into the episode 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.520 we at the end. That is exactly what I'd like 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.960 to be referred. I will change my Twitter handle if 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.560 I have to. I promise you I will like Shreky. 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:29.919 What's your history with records? I think so Like Caitlin 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:34.839 was talking about taking me brownies in Agua video before 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.479 you mentioned the Guar video, I was just like, so, 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.960 that's what kind of podcast this is. I knew it all. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.359 I wish I could do weed every time I consume, 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:53.800 not do Weedkit. You sound like you're in the CIA 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:59.440 when you say stuff like that, Hello, fellow kids, want 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.920 to do some weed and listen to some war on 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:07.120 our walkman, like on the clock at work while I'm 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:12.640 literally supposed to be like working. Is that before or 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.440 after he Um low key assaults a woman by grabbing 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.920 her foot and kissing at her foot. I think that 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.600 was after when she was just trying to do ballet 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.719 and mind her own business and he kisses her feet. Yeah, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.279 and he tries to kiss her head. Also. Yeah, it's 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.920 not a good look. Mark. It's not a good look. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.680 Mark is a disaster. I'm so excited to talk about 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.200 this movie, especially just like learning about the production of 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.440 this movie is so wild, and some of the results 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.280 of that is you just get like bizarro disembodied shots 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.919 like that that you're like, what is happening? What am I? 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.560 What is the takeaway? And sometimes they're like, that was 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.559 just kind of a vibes based shot that we chose. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:00.000 We just kind of felt like doing it, and it's 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.400 so we're gonna do it. Let's party Party. The narrative 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:09.120 trajectory in this movie is so hard to track and 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.720 fall I was getting so much whiplash. I'll save it. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:18.599 But Okay, Shelly, I'm sorry. Shreky, Shreky, thank you very much. 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:23.400 Thank you. Tell us about your history, your relationship with 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:27.520 Empire Records. Um, it literally started with Live Tyler's crap 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.599 top and I'm commented, So when you said that, I 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.080 was like, Yeah, that's it. I watched this movie in 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.600 middle school and found it when I was in Blackbuster. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.920 I used to go to Blackbuster with my dad. Sorry, 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.720 I used to force my father to take me to 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:46.400 Blackbuster on Friday. And I would always been like an 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.279 insane amount of time, like trying to pick out one video, 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.680 and it was to the point where he would eventually 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.120 start waiting in the car, and then I would bang 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.800 on the Blockbuster window and be like I'm ready to 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.960 check out, Like that's how long it would take me, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.760 like pick a movie. But I found this movie. I 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.720 go through still like spurts of like I only want 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.840 to watch movies about this specific subject. And at that time, 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.560 I was obsessed with school girls. Into me that meant 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.320 that anybody wearing a plaid skirt was clearly a school girl. Right, 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:26.760 that's incorrect. But I saw this movie like on one 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.840 of the shelves, and I grabbed it because of her 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:34.040 crop top and because of the skirt, but also I 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.880 grabbed it because I recognized her from And this wasn't 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.440 like two thousand when I saw it, right, I recognized 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:46.080 her from the Aerosmith video as the other girl who 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.560 was with Share because I just knew yeah, I just 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.600 knew at leash was Silverstona's share Um, and I had 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.480 never really seen her in anything else. But that video 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.320 is also kind of a queer route for me, so 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.680 I all that, and I was just like, so, if 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.160 she's in this, I don't know, maybe share might show up, 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:08.080 but also maybe it'll be a little gay. I obviously 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.400 wasn't using the word gay at that time in my life, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.920 but I thought maybe I would get a crossover. And 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.520 I saw it, I rented it, and then I proceeded 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.200 to rent it like maybe every week for the next 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:25.600 two months. Instead of just asking to fucking buy movie. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:31.200 You like, sunk fifty dollars into the Empire Record industrial complex. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.360 They needed the money. They lost a lot of money. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.360 They absolutely lost a lot of fucking cash. But I 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.920 made up for at least within two months of Blockbuster 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.720 video fees. Um and I rented it over and over. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.640 I watched it, and I just loved it because at 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:50.199 the time, I was trying to insert myself into movies. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.440 I've always loved films and stuff like that, but at 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.440 that time in my life, I was trying to like 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.400 insert myself in some way into that world of whatever 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:02.240 movie I was watching, so it's epically teen films. And 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.200 I have an obsession still to this day with movies 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.240 that take place in one day, because it's easier for 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.480 me to put myself inside of that world if it's 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.480 just one day, Like what would I wear? Which one 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.640 of these characters would I be friends with? So like 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.959 in Ferris Bueller, two hundred Cigarettes, the Breakfast Club, Mall Rats, 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.680 all those movies one day and say with Empire Records, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.120 and then I just got obsessed with the storyline. And 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.760 then I was like thirteen or something when I tried 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:34.160 to like go and work at this record store in Ferndale, Michigan. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.640 I'm from Detroit, and they were like a year thirteen, 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.760 and I was like, yeah, but I've been watching this 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.560 fucking movie man, and I like really want to work 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.800 at a record store. And they were like, you're you 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:51.280 can't work here. So you were like the Warren. I 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:56.680 was absolutely Warren, and I Warren is a wild character, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.959 but he's probably like my second favorite character in the movie. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.320 But that's my connection with it, my love it to 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.960 this day. And then you wrote a wonderful piece on 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.880 the film in which you discuss your connection with it. 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.480 And the friendship between Gina and Corey. And yeah, well 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.559 we'll very excited to get into that. We'll talk about that, 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:22.440 but um, yeah, well we're so excited to discuss further, Jamie, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:27.480 what's your relationship with this movie? No history with this movie. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.400 I had not seen it before, which I don't know. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.080 I guess I am having kind of a tricky time 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.840 knowing and like, how popular is this movie. I know 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.240 that it was like a flop on release and then 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.439 it has become kind of a cult classic, but I 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.120 don't I'm like, I don't know how many people I 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.640 know have seen this movie if I'm unusual for having 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.440 not seen it. There are so many famous people and 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:55.319 it also so I hadn't seen this movie. I've got 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.800 such intense whiplash watching it. But there were parts I 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.480 really enjoyed and and learning about I think I may 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.880 be like learning about the production of this movie even 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.920 more than I liked the movie itself, because it's just 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.360 such a wild story and once you know, like basically 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.800 for for listeners who are not familiar with it, it's 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.319 this movie was just like hacked to death by studio executives. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.400 It was originally forty minutes longer. I guess they cut 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.160 three major characters. I have some guesses. Is it what 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.640 they are that Lady Jane. I feel like I had 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.679 to have had something else, Like you can just see it, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:33.320 like there was a really, really like good script at 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.680 some point, and then they just cut out whole chunks 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:39.000 of it. So then you get stuff like liv Tyler 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.560 is addicted to pills, and it's like, there's only ten 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:46.880 minutes left in the movie, what are you talking about, um, etcetera. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.160 I just thought it was a chaotic, weird wild ride. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.319 I'm very excited to talk about it. Caitlin, what's your 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:58.040 history with Empire Records? I also had no history. I 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.240 thought I had seen this movie. I thought this is 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.520 one of those movies that I like watched in college 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.080 because I was like, I have to watch all these 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:08.280 you know, cult classics and all this stuff. And I 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.199 think I had just seen a bunch of similar movies, 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:17.920 such as Reality Bites, Small Rats, High Fidelity, Dazed and Confused, maybe, 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.080 like I'd seen all those and I just thought, this 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:25.080 is a lot of Rene's Elwigger movies. Really, But then 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.920 I started watching the movie and none of it was 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:34.760 familiar and I realized I in fact had never seen it, So, um, 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.480 I don't want to be the villain of the episode. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:42.560 But I do like the movie, especially from like a 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.680 screenwriting standpoint, and we'll talk about how the story that unfolds, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.439 and as kind of like muddled and random and like 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.839 whiplashy as it often gets, it's like not the fault 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:55.760 of the screenwriter, because, like you said, Jamie, there's a 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.240 lot of studio notes and and changes and also like 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:04.319 post product action changes that made the from a screenwriting 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.480 point of view, the story really right, which which tell 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.040 you like laid out really clearly in in your piece 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.240 as well of just like how much was hacked out 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.320 of this A lot of stuff went through it because 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.960 I got to talk to Carol Hypening, so I got 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.760 to talk to like the writer and everything about it, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.440 and it was really cool and she was telling me 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.920 just like and woke get into it obviously, but like 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.160 just how hacked up the movie ended up being like 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.720 for the audience when it actually came out versus the 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.280 cult classic when like maybe ten years later when people 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.440 like me found it and like still loved it. But 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.800 it went through a lot. It went through a lot 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.439 so just like watching the movie with having no nostalgia 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.839 attached to it, having never seen it, watching it for 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.839 the first time in two as a person in my 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:56.200 mid thirties, I don't have quite the same attachment to it. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.480 It was rooting for Mitch, it was, it was rooting 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.560 for Mitch. Was like, yeah, music Town, She's like making 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:07.880 up a day store again. Music sucks, Tower Records me. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:14.120 That's what I want. Capitalism, Yes, I do love I 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.880 mean that nineties convention where they're like, capitalism is one 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:23.960 guy exactly capitalism. It's just this one person in and 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:29.920 he wants to sail toilets, so and he's not that bad, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:35.000 and You're like, what is happening? I love it. So 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.160 the movie isn't necessarily for me, but there's a lot 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.480 to talk about, so I'm excited to get into it. Yeah, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:46.920 I guess I will attempt to recap the movie good Luck. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.280 I think will be the greatest challenge of my career. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:57.680 Shelley jump in. Whenever you you know the text, I 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.120 refuse because I've been like listening and I've been being like, 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:05.240 okay during the recap, shut the buck up, and I 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.720 will probably chime in two to seven times. But like, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.960 other than that, I don't think this is going to 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:16.720 be a very long recap. Is also that it's longer 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.960 than you think. Oh my gosh. Yeah, but there's all 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:21.960 these things that happened, and then it's like, well, it's 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.560 never referenced again, but it didn't technically happen. It did 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.440 kind of happen. Yeah, so I'll jump in occasionally. Okay, cool, 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.600 All right, here we go. So we meet Lucas played 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.160 by Rory Cochrane. He is one of the employees of 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:42.640 Empire Records, which is an indie record store in We're 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:47.320 not sure what part of the country. He briefly chats 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.280 with his colleague Gina played by Rene's Elwigger about how 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.120 tonight is a big night for him because their boss, 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.680 Joe is trusting Lucas to lock up, which means counting 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.520 the money dropping in to say all that stuff. And 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.040 as he's doing that, Lucas notices some paperwork about a 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:09.920 corporate buyout of Empire Records by this conglomerate music town. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:14.200 This is all like narrated by Lucas in this opening sequence, 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.040 which is it's just one of the many bizarre things 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.000 this movie does that makes me laugh. That kind of 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.640 comes and goes, and there's not really any rules about 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.440 it where he's like narrating it like he's fucking Hunter 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:31.880 s Thompson. He's like, oh, oh no, we're being bought out. 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:33.480 And then he was like sometimes I'm like, is he 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.000 talking to camera? And then sometimes people are talking to camera, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:38.960 but then most of the time they're not. Sometimes they're 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.920 just talking to themselves. It's so confusing, right, it doesn't 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.600 happen enough to make it a consistent motif, but it does. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.240 It does happen often enough that you notice it, so 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.880 that I wish it happen more because it's whenever I do, 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.080 like when someone turns to camera, I'm like, that's such 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.000 a goofy choice, and I always like it. It's my 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.840 favorite thing, and it's even more of a thing when 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:08.960 it's unnecessary, and then in consistent it's even better. If 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.760 it's a mess. I want more of it. So anyway, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.720 clearly the store is in financial trouble because of this 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.880 like corporate buyout that's about to happen. So Lucas gets 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.920 the idea to take the money that they earned that day. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:23.400 I think, or I don't know if it's like all 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.000 the money in the safe. I'm not sure, but it's 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:29.040 nine thou dollars. Take it to Atlantic City and gamble 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.760 with it to try to earn enough to save the 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:38.680 store Capitalism. Unfortunately, Lucas loses all of the money and 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.960 then heads out of town the next morning on his motorcycle. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.720 But don't worry, he'll be He'll be right back. Um. 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.720 But the boss Joe comes into the store. He can't 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.960 find the money. He's freaking out. Meanwhile, we meet the 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.280 other staff as they come into work that day, a 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:59.600 j played by Johnny Whitworth. Mark played by Ethan embry 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:04.159 Aj is like this artsy sensitive type. Mark is like 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:10.120 stoner doofis. We also meet Corey played by Liv Tyler. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.639 She's like little miss perfect. I'm going to go to 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:17.520 Harvard and she's wearing that crop top. Yes, she just 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:23.880 wanted to shout it out. It's important feminist icon blue sweater. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.880 And then we see Gina again again. That's Renee Selwigger. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:32.320 She's like this sloody one quote unquote. They all come 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.560 into work. They are all teenagers, question mark. We're not 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.800 sure how old these people are really, except for Liv Tyler, 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:41.920 who seems to be a senior in high school, right. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:48.320 I think they're like between eighteen and like twenty three four. Yeah, 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.240 I think so too, because it's really only clear that 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.879 it's her because she's going to hard she's going to Harvard, right. Yeah. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:00.040 Other than that, I think everyone's like un think it 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.120 right because it's like implied that some of them are 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:07.679 like working at Empire Records instead of going to college 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.760 or something. Don't worry, there's not going to be a 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.639 talk about loans or any people in movies don't have 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.640 college loans. It's just not a thing, right. But they're 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.880 just like I don't know, like do I want to 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.080 keep chilling out here or do I want to go 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.680 to art school in Boston? Like, honestly, as someone who 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.920 did that, don't go to art school in Boston. Keep 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.800 your record store job. You're wasting your fucking money and 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:35.600 your life. Okay, don't do it. Zero at attention, would 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.000 not do again, and so much debt for no fucking reason. 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.520 Didn't learn a single thing. No, I um as someone 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.719 who went to screenwriting school and got a screenwriting master's degree, 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.520 I mean you use it every week, Caitlyn. I use 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.600 it every single week, every single week. Can I tell 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.480 you how much I wanted you to say that you 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.520 bring not that you bring it up a lot. You know, 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.600 no bigs. I would never, I would never bring it. 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.200 You're not Hanna person. But I'm so excited and hoping 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.640 that you would just occasionally a little bit. There it is, 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.560 and it's true. It's all true. It's all true. Okay. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.399 So we meet the staff and also that day is 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.160 Rex Manning Day at the store. So a pop star 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.560 named Rex Manning who kind of had his heyday in 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.399 the eighties, it seems, is coming into the store to 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:28.240 sign autographs and promote his new album. I think they're 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.960 mapping him on like Barry Manila. I was trying to 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.280 is it Barry Manila? Okay, because I was like, visually 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:39.480 he's giving Barry Manilo. And I do love that he's 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.000 so furious that all of his like listeners are his age. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.960 I'm like, what did you what did you expect, sir? Leave, 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.960 These mothers are paying your rent. Show some respect. I 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.040 have a whole thing about his fan base in the movie, 0:20:55.200 --> 0:21:00.240 and like what that telegraphs to the audience. Yeah, that's well, 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.760 I mean it's like classic gen X movie like people 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:08.680 over thirty should die like God, the most annoying generation. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.960 Sorry to our listeners who are remember of it. I 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.040 mean whatever, our our generation takes plenty of ship. I 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.480 mean maybe every generation is bad, just putting it on, 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.000 wipe out the species. Done. We've had our chance and 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.520 we blew it as humans. Whatever, Millennials and we have 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:30.840 ugly pants like, it's fine. Whatever. Our generation never figured 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.760 out pants, and I stand by that. I really just don't. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.520 I think we tried like several times to like get 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.919 down pants that would work on more than one body 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.480 type conceptually, and we just like kept fumbling it into 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:48.479 an interesting way. Excuse me, my boot cut flair legs 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:53.280 from American Eagle. We're awesome. I'm wearing skinny jeans that 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.239 I glued to my body and I think that they 0:21:55.280 --> 0:22:00.880 actually look and feel really comfortable. Just like, alright, we 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.800 we fucked up pants? Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay. So we 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.960 established that it's Rex Manning day. Corey wants to lose 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:14.320 her virginity to Rex Manning while he's there. We also 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.240 learned that a J is secretly in love with Corey, 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.680 and today is the day that he plans to tell her. 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.960 We meet another employee who comes in, Deborah, played by 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:31.399 Robin Tuney. She comes in, she shaves her head, She 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.119 has a bandage on her wrist, which some of the 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:41.000 other staff notices. She also has a pretty antagonistic relationship 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:45.480 with many other members of the staff, especially Corey and Gina. Yeah, 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:49.000 she's a guy's guy. I feel that's fun of the 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.240 more frustrating things about this movie, where it's like, there's 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.560 there's clearly was so much more to Deb's story, our 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.439 devs ory at one point, and it it just feels 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:58.840 so obvious that so much of it went away, And 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.200 it's like, I want, I want this context of why 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.280 you struggle to connect with other women, because I feel 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.200 like it would have landed so much better. When she's 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.280 it seems like she has issues with her mom, and 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:10.560 I just I was like, Oh, there was a story 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:12.080 in there, but we didn't we didn't get to see 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:16.639 it anyways. Um. Then Lucas shows back up the guy 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.080 who had taken the nine thousand dollars at the beginning 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.840 of the movie. Joe is like, where's my money, and 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:25.760 Lucas tells Joe that it is recirculating in Atlantic City, 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:29.640 which is very funny. Then Joe is like, Okay, well 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.679 what the hell? And he considers calling the cops and 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:36.400 pressing charges against Lucas, but he does not do that 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.480 because fathers and sons. I can't do that. And then 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:44.439 Joe explains that he had gotten together enough money to 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:49.159 buy the store from the owner, this guy Mitch a 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:54.440 Mr Capitalism, Mr Capitalism, and this would have allowed Joe 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.640 to stop Mitch from selling the store to Music Town. 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:00.440 But now he can't do that because this nine thou 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:04.080 dollars is gone because apparently it costs nine only nine 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:09.440 thousand dollars. Like where do they live? And that's the thing, 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:13.520 especially because he comes back so fast, like even if 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.520 he gets back the next day, like where are they? 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:20.320 But then also they're like on this like really pretty seaside, 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.520 because when Mark goes out to take a break, you 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:24.720 see that, and then when I go pick up Corey, 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.680