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Speaker 1: On the be Dol Cast. The questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: in best start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hey Jamie,

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Speaker 1: Hey Caitlan. Guess what, but it's Rex Manning Day on

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Speaker 1: the Bechdel Cast. How are you going to celebrate? I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get the ugliest self tanner I can possibly find,

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Speaker 1: and and uh and and uh. I don't know is

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Speaker 1: there a full music video for that? Because I want

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Speaker 1: to see it. It seems like they shot a full one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was kind of into like until you get to

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I I know he's he's there for the moms, but

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Speaker 1: I would show up. What's the song? Say no more

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Speaker 1: mona more? It's really good? I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: No problem. Sure, how are you going to be observing

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Speaker 1: Rex Manning Day? I am going to I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: But they're like no, but it's a paternal thing. You're like, well,

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Speaker 1: that does make it worse. But okay, so much happens

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Speaker 1: in this movie, and yet not that much happens in

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Speaker 1: the movies. To me. The main character is liv Tyler's

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Speaker 1: pull it off. Uh, it's the Empire Records episode of

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Speaker 1: the Back Took. Yes. So this is our show where

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Speaker 1: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel Tests simply as a jumping off point for our discussion. Jamie,

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Speaker 1: can you remind me on this bright and sunny mix

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Speaker 1: Rex Manning Day the mixed Franny? Yikes, my brain is tired.

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Speaker 1: Can you remind me what the Bechtel cast Nope podcast

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Speaker 1: was like, Caitlin, wake up, wake up, you're dreaming. He's

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Speaker 1: going great. I ate some weed brownies and now I'm

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Speaker 1: in a gar eight music video. Oh. I was like, Kyla,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who the funk do you think you are?

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Speaker 1: I was like looking at my fruit and nuts like, oh, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're really going to make a change. Get a grip. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: the Bectel test is, and those internal monologues past the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel test. Wow, true, Yeah, because my rage it myself

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Speaker 1: is about women. So the Bechtel test is a media

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Speaker 1: metric created by alsin Bechtels, sometimes called the Bucktel Wallace test. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Many different versions of this test, but the one that

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Speaker 1: lines of dialogue. And as you will learn in our

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Speaker 1: Empire Records episode, it doesn't matter how weird or chaotic

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Speaker 1: Empire Records today. It's been a request for quite some time,

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Speaker 1: and we have an amazing guest to observe, Rex Manning

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Speaker 1: Day with Oh my Gosh, I can't wait. So. She

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Speaker 1: is a culture editor at Auto Straddle. She's also written

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Speaker 1: for Thrillist, Bitch Media, and Vogue Magazine. She is Shelley Nicole. Welcome. Um.

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Speaker 1: We were toying off Mike with introducing I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: What's your history with records? I think so Like Caitlin

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Tell us about your history, your relationship with

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Speaker 1: Empire Records. Um, it literally started with Live Tyler's crap

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Speaker 1: I used to go to Blackbuster with my dad. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: You like, sunk fifty dollars into the Empire Record industrial complex.

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Speaker 1: They needed the money. They lost a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: this movie was just like hacked to death by studio executives.

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Speaker 1: choice but to transition the store into a music town

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00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: very soon, which means that they would have to again

423
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: answer to the man, they'd lose the cool indie vibe

424
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: of the store, they'd have to follow all these strict rules,

425
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: so no one who works at Empire Records is happy

426
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: about this, which is true. I mean I like that,

427
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: like this is like all based on Tower Records and

428
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: like that whole story and like saving Indian like that

429
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: end of stuff. I'm like, oh, that's like very compelling

430
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: and cool, and places like that truly do not exist anymore.

431
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: Like Tower Records I think been out of business and

432
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: like oh five or something. Yeah, I mean it reminds

433
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: me of working at like an indie alts comedy venue,

434
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: which I did for several years, and like the vibe

435
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: and the camaraderie with your fellow staff, and that was

436
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: my favorite aspect of the movie. But um, yeah, so

437
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: I get I get that. Yeah, So what's the next

438
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: scene that happens? Because it's truly just like and then

439
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: another scene happens so hard to keep track of, but

440
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: I think it's that Lucas stops a shoplifter, Warren, who

441
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: is trying to steal a bunch of CDs. The staff

442
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: shames Warren and then they make him stick around just

443
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: sitting on a couch while they wait for the cops

444
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: to show up. I was just like, there is this

445
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: weird like no exit vibe to that room. Like it's

446
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: just kind of like Empire Records Purgatory, where it's like,

447
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: if you're in trouble, you just have to sit in

448
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: this room and you could leave at any time, but

449
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you don't, right, yeah, yeah, because Joe

450
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: is like, Lucas, you stole nine dollars from me, Well,

451
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: gosh darn it, you better sit on this couch and

452
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: don't you dare get up from that couch, And then

453
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: Lucas just stays on the couch for like the first

454
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: half of the movie. Daddy said, so okay. So then,

455
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: so the people are lining up for Rex Manning day.

456
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: Rex Manning shows up with someone who might be his assistant,

457
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: it might be his publicist. We're not really sure what

458
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: Jane's job is. I'm convinced this is one of the

459
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: characters that got super super cut down because she seems

460
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: like there yeaheah, and it's sad here too, which is

461
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: justing like incredible. Who I'd like to nominate for the

462
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: Eyebrow Hall of Fame to this day, Yes, yes, Like

463
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: if you see her on Younger where she plays like,

464
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, the coolest dyke in the world. Um,

465
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: eyebrows are still like, I'm like doing a rewatch of

466
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: Younger right now. Um, but she's like incredible eyebrows. But

467
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: also in nineteen Nighties, like she had beautiful nine eyebrows.

468
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: She did. Yeah, she's I It took me until her

469
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: second appearance in Empire Records to be like, she's from Younger, Younger,

470
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: Underrated baby, underrated show. She's so great. Yeah, that character.

471
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: Like again, I mean, so many characters are full chaos,

472
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: but her in particular, where she's like there and then

473
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: she has a scene and then she's like I quit.

474
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: But she says I quit to Joe, and I'm like,

475
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: do you work for him? And then later she comes

476
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: back and she's like, Okay, Joe, I want to go

477
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: on a date with you. And I was like, how

478
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: old are any of these characters? I don't understand how

479
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: do they know each other? I thought that they were

480
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: meeting at the beginning of that our thought so too. Yeah,

481
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: but apparently Empire Records is going to Empire Records in

482
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: that I don't know what the funk is happening at

483
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: any given point in the movie. Oh gosh, Okay, So

484
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: Rex starts signing autographs. He seems very resentful that His

485
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: fan base is largely middle aged women. Mostly. Everyone who

486
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: works at Empire Records thinks that Rex Manning sucks and

487
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: Jane is like, oh, yeah, I guess he does suck.

488
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: I quit working for him, but I'm going to tell

489
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: Joe and not Rex and tell someone unrelated. Then another

490
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: employee shows up Burko. He and Deborrah seem to have

491
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: some history. There's also been other scenes, you know, scattered

492
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: throughout the movie of things like stuff putting on music

493
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: and dancing around the store, quick conversations between various characters

494
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: to establish more of their like relationship dynamic, other random

495
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: things here and there. Those scenes are fun. I love

496
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: the concept of Veto. That was my one of my favorite.

497
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that is such a record store,

498
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: Like it's so cool and definitely something I tried to

499
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: implement in drama club and in high school, except no

500
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: one fucking you know what I was talking about. So

501
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: I just like, I had to eat my bag of

502
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: skittles and I was like, it's fine. Just because you

503
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: guys don't know film doesn't mean that that has anything

504
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: to do with me. But whatever, They're like, what is

505
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: Shreky talking about? Shreky, please sit down, and I was

506
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, in about ten years, I'm

507
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: gonna have my day about this movie. So it'll be fine.

508
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: But also click side note, the guy who played Burko

509
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: was Live tyler stepdad at the time. Yes, oh, Coyote

510
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: Shivers is his name? Yeah, of course. Okay, first of all,

511
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: of course, Live Tyler. How's a stepdad named Coyote. I've

512
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: never been less shocked in my life. Live Tyler's had

513
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: such a wildlife. I was gonna say, if you ever

514
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: have an opportunity, you just want to go for a

515
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: quick ride on Wikipedia, go to Live Tyler's Wikipedia page.

516
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: It's a roller coaster. Sometimes it's like sometimes I get

517
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: annoyed at nepotism stuff, and then you read Live Tyler's

518
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page and it's like she deserves everything she has

519
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: because she's been through enough. There is so much weirdness

520
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: in that poor woman's life. And and if you want

521
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: a real journey of the spirit, watch Live Tyler's Architectural

522
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: Digest video because it's like she's a weird lady. Do

523
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: you okay? This is taking I love a good Kismet moment. Sorry, Caitlin,

524
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: just like, um, can you all shut this is my

525
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: seventh and final interruption. By the way, don't limit yourself.

526
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: I hate this. Was making my partner watch Architectural Digest videos.

527
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: We've been watching them all morning and it started because

528
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: I was like, let's watch Little Tyler like and we've

529
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: been watching them older. It's my favorite one because I

530
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: want it. I want it all right. Sorry, back to

531
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: the insane plot that is Empire. I don't know where

532
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: we are in it, but I don't know. You love

533
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: Tyler and Dakota Johnson, two weird nepotisms giving the Architectural

534
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: Digest tours of a lifetime. You're just like, oh, no

535
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: one's ever told you that you're weird before because you're

536
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: so beautiful and you grew up with so much money.

537
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: But you're being so weird right now with Tyler. But

538
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: you're fucking weird, man. Yeah, I love it. Okay. Um.

539
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: The next thing that happens is Mitch, the guy who

540
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: owns Empire Records, shows up to pick up yesterday's money.

541
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: Joe decides not to rat Lucas out for stealing it,

542
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: and instead, Joe stuffs the like money pouch thing full

543
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: of scrap paper to make it seem like it's full

544
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: of cash, and then he gives that to Mitch. Then

545
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: Corey insists on fixing lunch for Rex Manning because that's

546
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: going to be her opportunity to seduce him, which she

547
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: tries to do and he's basically like, okay, well you

548
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: can suck my dick, and then she realizes like, oh no, yeah.

549
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: She feels humiliated. She runs up to the roof, where

550
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: she bumps into a J who finally professes his love

551
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: for her, but she is distraught and she wants to

552
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: be alone, so he leaves feeling very rejected. Then Gina

553
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: tries to comfort Corey about this Rex Manning thing, but

554
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: Corey ends up aggressively slut shaming Gina. So then Gina

555
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: decides to seduce Rex Manning and she has sex with him.

556
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: While that's going on, Corey goes up to a J

557
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: and says, I'm sorry I freaked out before, but I

558
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: just don't think of you like that. You're my best friend,

559
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's news to me because I thought

560
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: your best friend was Gina or what, like, are you

561
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: friends at all? We haven't seen you talk on screen yet.

562
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure that, I was like, I'm sure that they

563
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: I thought they. I feel like the movie was like

564
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: and she doesn't even know I exist. But then she's like,

565
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: you're my best friend. I was like, she doesn't. She

566
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: just wants nothing to do with you. Very Maniloian enough

567
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: for her, apparently, I guess, but yeah, I know. And

568
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: then it was like she at the I mean, whatever,

569
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: things are about to get so out of control. But

570
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: she's like, you're such a talented artist. And I was like,

571
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: have we seen him do any art? Do we know

572
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: why his art looks like what is he? Eddy good

573
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: fluide some quarters to the floor called that art? We

574
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: do see him like sketching some things here and there,

575
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: and he don't seem to be a pretty talented artist,

576
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: so I'll allow it. But good for him. That scene

577
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: did remind me of what is it when like Steve's

578
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: on Cat from Stuart Little, or someone's like fresh friend,

579
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: best friend, there, role, move over, every everything he's ever done.

580
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Steven'son as Cat from Stewart Little is so funny. Noble,

581
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: you're my best friend? Oh my god, it's so funny.

582
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: He should he could have been. He could have been

583
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: in this movie. He would have fit into this world.

584
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina could have played Joe, yeah, because with his

585
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: name and Joe is played by Anthony Lapolio Paglia Apolia.

586
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I did not know who this man was,

587
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: but I did figure out halfway through that he is

588
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: definitely Australian because he kept forgetting that his character wasn't Australian,

589
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: where he just like it was a little thing when

590
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: he was just like, I forget. He was like talking

591
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: to Lucas about something and he's like, you give the

592
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: money back. You're like, whoa wait, hold on, where are we? Oh?

593
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: I kept being like, I know that's not Bill Pullman,

594
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: but is it Bill Pullman? Yeah? Big Bill Pullman wasn't

595
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: available vibes, I mean, Okay. So Corey has told a

596
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: j she thinks of him as her best friend and

597
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: that's why she's not interested in him romantically, and he's

598
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: like that's bullshit and he storms off, and then we

599
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: see Corey take a pill, which I think is the

600
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: first time we've seen her do that, the implication being

601
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: that she is like dealing with addiction or you know,

602
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: drug abuse issues. So then there's a scene where the

603
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: entire store starts dancing to Rex Manning's song while Rex

604
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: Manning and Gina are having sex in another room. But

605
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: then Joe comes down into the store and he's like, well,

606
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: enjoy this while you can, because this time next week

607
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a music town. He just like

608
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: runs downstairs and it's like steaks and you're like, oh

609
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: my god. But there there's enough stakes we need to

610
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: like finish the storyline, don't start another one. And this

611
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: is when he gets really angry at Lucas and punches him.

612
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: He beats up. From my screenwriting standpoint, this movie, the

613
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: inciting incident happens like three minutes into the movie, which

614
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: it's more standard for that to be like fifteen minutes

615
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: into a feature length film, So it happens right away

616
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: before there's any exposition, before we know anything about anyone,

617
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: We get the inciting incident. Then there are there's a

618
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: full i would say, sixty to seventy minutes of after

619
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: this conflict of compelling conflict being established of like we

620
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: have to save the store, but oh no, the money

621
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: is lost. What do we do to recoup that money

622
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: and save the store? That conflict basically goes away for

623
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: like sixty to seventy minutes, and then at the very end,

624
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: which we're getting too soon. He's like, remember the movie,

625
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, I don't, but I'm having

626
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: so much fun being confused. Okay, so but before we

627
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: get to the very end, so um Joe assaults Lucas,

628
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: but their fight quickly blows over, and then everyone finds

629
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: out that Gina is having sex with Rex Manning, including Corey,

630
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: who feels especially betrayed. So then a J attacks Rex Manning,

631
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: and then a J gets punched another another teenager or

632
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: like young person getting punched by a full adult man.

633
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Then they kick Rex out of the store. Gina and

634
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: Corey get into a screaming match. Gina outs Corey's drug abuse.

635
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: Corey starts trashing the store, but then her coworkers stop her.

636
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: She calms down, and then Debrah provides some emotional support

637
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: to Corey. They have a nice moment together. Then several

638
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: random scenes where we see Mark eating we brownies and

639
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: fantasizing about being in Aguar music video, where it always

640
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: just feels like sometimes this movie just does stuff where

641
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: I feel like they're like, so that was pretty heavy, right,

642
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: here's a here's a little palate cleanser, And I remember

643
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: watching that the first time, and I actually every time

644
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: I rented it, and honestly still when I watched it

645
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: to this day, I passed forward through that scene. Now

646
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, it's a little bit more blended, as like,

647
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: I guess now that I do like culture writing and

648
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: critiquing of films and stuff like that, but honestly, most

649
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: of it is just because I hate it. It makes

650
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: no sense, it doesn't need to be there, and I

651
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: hate every moment of that. It's the worst shot out

652
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: of everything they cut out of everything that's on the

653
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: cutting room floor. The final this movie, they were like,

654
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: now that stays, don't you touch it? And I was like, okay,

655
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: I guess, Well probably because they like paid guar. Oh yeah,

656
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: I guess. And then they're like, well, we can't just

657
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: have wasted that money, So I bet that that is it. Yeah,

658
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: what a mess. I'm laughing. What a mess. So then

659
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: Jane comes back. She asks Joe out for dinner and

660
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: he's like, sounds great. Then the staff has a mock

661
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: funeral for Deborah, during which everyone you know, divuloges some

662
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: personal things. They bond with each other, and this is

663
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: also when Gina shows back up and she and Corey makeup.

664
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: I love a good plot resolution via well timed eavesdrop

665
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: where she just happens to walk in the room and

666
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: lived Tyler was like, I miss Gina. I love her

667
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: so much. She's so she's a She's the woman I

668
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: can never be. And then Gina's like no, And then

669
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: Gina says what her stakes were the whole time? Apparently

670
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: where she walks in, she's like, I don't want to

671
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: be like my mother. You're like, who's your mother? And

672
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: she's like, I want to be a singer. I was like,

673
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: you do. And then one scene later she's a singer

674
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: and we're like, good for her. I guess, like yeah.

675
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Um So then Warren, the kid who had tried to

676
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: shoplift from the store, comes back with a gun and

677
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: starts shooting the store up, but it's okay because they're blanks.

678
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: It is. It turns out he just wanted to work

679
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: at the record store the whole time. What is happening like,

680
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: which is like the most white teenager with a gun

681
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: thing ever to to just have it be like, oh,

682
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: he was just having a bad day. It's all good.

683
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: Let's give him a job at the record store and

684
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: that'll help, but you're just like, no, no, don't do that.

685
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: It's mind boggling. But yeah, he gets taken away by

686
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: the cops again sort of, but they're just like, well,

687
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: the gun was filled with blanks and he's a miner,

688
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: so we can't really do anything. And then in the

689
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: next scene he's back at the store working and also

690
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: drinking and drinking, and even though he's like fifteen or something, yeah,

691
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: he's real little like I just don't know what was happening. Like,

692
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: there did reach a point where I was just like,

693
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: my brain is smooth, like anything could happen. And so

694
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: when it goes to like she's on pills, the store

695
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: is going to close down. I love you. I don't

696
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: want to be like my mom, we're doing a fake

697
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: funeral now someone shooting up the store. You're just like, yeah, okay,

698
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: I guess, but a weird day. That was me watching it.

699
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, okay, cool, Like when I first

700
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: saw it was the tracks. I want to go work

701
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: out a record store. Actually, so Floren could. He's thirteen, apparently,

702
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: so why can't I Right, Yeah, who can't? Who can't

703
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: get a job at this place? And you'll never get

704
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: fired despite all the really wild things. Joe needs to

705
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: be daddy. Oh gosh. Okay, So Warren coming back with

706
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: a gun actually comes plot relevant because then news anchors

707
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: show up to report on the story. So then Mark

708
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: jumps into the newscast to promote a fundraiser event that

709
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: the store is going to hold that night, which I

710
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: guess Mark just decided, Oh, let's do a fundraiser. So

711
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: they put it together. A bunch of people show up,

712
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: They have a big party. Gina Burko and some other

713
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: guy play live music. Everyone's dancing there, drinking. Uh. They

714
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: raise a bunch of money, and then Mitch the owner

715
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: shows up again and he's like, what is going on?

716
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: And then Joe takes the money they raised and buys

717
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: the store from Mitch for again ballpark of nine thousand

718
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: dollars salad maybe two d seventy four dollars. I don't know, yeah,

719
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: because there's not there's not nine thousand dollars in that

720
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: not like bucket thing. Yeah, there's maybe a grand talk.

721
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: Maybe Buddy buys the store from Mitch. Nonetheless, and so

722
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: everyone is celebrating. Corey goes to a j and screams

723
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: at him and pushes him and hits him, telling him

724
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: you're so talented and you need to go to art school.

725
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, I'll go to art school and

726
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to go in Boston so I can be

727
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: near you when you're at Harvard, and she's like awesome.

728
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: And then they kiss and she goes really that they kiss,

729
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, I did I forgot that they knew

730
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: each other. Um and then and then the movie ends

731
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: with everyone dancing on the roof, which is fun. So

732
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: that's the story. Let's take a quick break and we

733
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: will come back to discuss and we're back. Okay, what

734
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: is hello? Like? What? Well? Shelly? Yeah, Shelly, kick us up?

735
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: What do you what do you want to talk about?

736
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, I mean, here's the thing, like, as

737
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: I watched this movie, like I've watched this with completely

738
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: different eyes at first. And that's why when I talk

739
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: about the movie, I know every single one of its

740
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: faults that it has. Like don't get me wrong, but

741
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: there are certain movies that I'm not excusing some of them.

742
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: A lot of the faults on this I am like,

743
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: it's fine, I don't care perfect, But other ones I

744
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: am like, what, like, you know, with like Corey and

745
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: Rex Manning and all that kind of stuff. But as

746
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: chaotic as it is, I think it for me, I

747
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: love it because again it's one day, and it makes

748
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: so much sense to me appear that even the cut

749
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: of it so much can happen in a day, like

750
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: if we were to cut up our own one day

751
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: my Friday, Like we were talking about all the craziness

752
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: that I had with like breaking my computer, and then

753
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I could all this stuff. It's a bunch of smash cuts,

754
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: and this film is a bunch of essentially a bunch

755
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: of small pets of stories with a really good soundtrack

756
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of it can be excused the other ones.

757
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: I just kind of live in that film world when

758
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: I watch it and I'm like, everything's fine. That one

759
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: gift that will Cat or whatever sitting with the flames

760
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: behind him, that's me watching this movie and I'm like,

761
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: it's fine, It's fine totally, And I like, so We've

762
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: been dunking on the like plot of the movie pretty

763
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: hard throughout the recap and stuff, but at its core,

764
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: it's a movie about like a ragtag group of misfits

765
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: who come together. They found a community at this store

766
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: they have fairly interesting relationship dynamics among them. And that's

767
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: a very relatable story from many, many people. And that's

768
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: the reason this movie has developed such a cult following.

769
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: It's you know, it really speaks to anyone who might

770
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: feel like an oddball or anyone who is drawn to

771
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: the idea of a chosen family exactly and stuff like that.

772
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: So I totally get that. I enjoyed that aspect of

773
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: the movie. And then there's also like the anti corporate

774
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: we have to maintain the integrity of this cool India space,

775
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, screw the man down with the establishment, which

776
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: in the form that it takes in this movie is

777
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: a very like nineties gen X, Like that's exactly it

778
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: version that of Like, you know, as long as I

779
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: can work in this indie record store without the man

780
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: breathing down my neck, I don't really care what else

781
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: is going on in the world. I don't have I

782
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: don't have time for more pressing social issues. Yeah. I

783
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: just want to listen to guns and roses man and why.

784
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: And I just want to eat skittles and burn CDs,

785
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: and I just want to live on this cow to

786
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: carry it around with me. And I don't care about

787
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: anything else that's happening in the world. But the whole

788
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: my whole world is this store, this that I or

789
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: wait open to midnight. Sorry, yeah, and my records open

790
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: until midnight. Can I tell you how many times I

791
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: answered my house phone like that, And so my dad

792
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: was like, we're done, We're finished, We're not doing this anymore. Also,

793
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: I would answer my phone hello, Fawlty Towers, any show

794
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: that had to pick up. I was just like, nice, yeah,

795
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: weird time in the household with me anyway. But yeah,

796
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: I think it was just like so nineties space, and

797
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: I was always obsessed with the nineties, like you can

798
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: be like born in a time but not be an

799
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: adult in that time. And I was like, that's how

800
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: it is, and that's how it's gonna that's how it was,

801
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: that's what I missed, and that's what it's going to

802
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: be like when I'm a grown up too. So that's

803
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: why I just was like, this is dope. Yeah, sure, yeah,

804
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean it does feel so like of its time

805
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: in a way that it's like kind of fun and

806
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: nostalgic where I'm just like, you know, with these characters,

807
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: it's it's so funny, it was what is the I

808
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: always forget the name of it, the Matthew Lillard movie

809
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: about selling out and it's about the man slunk. Yeah, yes,

810
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: selc Punk. I feel like it's a more self aware

811
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: version of this storyline where it's like very clear by

812
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: looking at like and also just like knowing how generations

813
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: tend to pan out of like half of these kids

814
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: are going to be like Wall Street bankers and cause

815
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 1: the recession. But this is their moment. Corey is going

816
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: to Harvard, right, you know, Like no, yeah, it's not

817
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: things are like not gonna you know, and then you

818
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: know a j or is that Yeah, Like he's gonna

819
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: like change to business major one semester in and they're

820
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: going to be the most boring people to ever ever live.

821
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: And you know whatever, no offense to business majors ecept

822
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: actually I don't think I actually think offense because like

823
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: what do you Yeah, you should go to art school

824
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: like me, Why did you get a master's green screenwriting? Hello? Yeah,

825
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: we're the moral authority of the fucking planet. Anyway. It's

826
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's so nineties and I mean, but

827
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: so much of like you reference us in your piece

828
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: Shelley of like how it seems like this story had

829
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: really good bones, and those bones were just like repeatedly

830
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: like a crowbar was taken to the bones by the editors,

831
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: And like I was fascinated to find out that um

832
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: in the original draft of this movie, Corey was not

833
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: trying to lose her virginity at all. She was just

834
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: a big fan of Rex. And I think what kind

835
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: of like blew me with that too, like all the

836
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: different changes that I could find. And also when I

837
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: did interview Carol, I didn't I didn't want to interview

838
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: her in a sense of being like, how did this

839
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: end up this way? You feel me? I did, but

840
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: I had so many of those questions that I wanted

841
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: to ask, but she kind of just like let it

842
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: out anyway and told me a lot of different things.

843
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: But what was a big part of a lot of

844
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: the changes to this movie, honestly was clueless, Like there

845
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: was already so many high school movies either in production

846
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: and posts being made, scripts had already been bought that

847
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: they were trying to like stand out in some way,

848
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: and this is already a movie about a rag tag

849
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: bunch of emo kids, And I don't know East Jesus

850
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: Nowhere Seattle like, and they couldn't figure out what to

851
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: do with it, and so they cut it up. They

852
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: tore it apart. And then when I think they tried

853
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: to bring it back on was the music, Because who

854
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: would watch this movie, right, the kids that think they

855
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: hear certain songs first, the kids that think that they're

856
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: the only one who knows like one band and things

857
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: like that. But even that couldn't save it at the

858
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: box office. It had to wait years for us to

859
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: find it for me and to be like, this is

860
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: the most important movie of all times, so right, Yeah, Well,

861
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm also interested to hear more about something you talk

862
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: a lot about in your piece which was published in

863
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: Marie Claire entitled Old Empire Records helped Me understand my queerness,

864
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: and you site the friendship between Gina and Corey you

865
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, I don't know if it was

866
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: like a shipping thing necessarily, but like you drew inspiration

867
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: from that in terms of like that powerful friendship and

868
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: that was sort of like the basis of what you

869
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: were kind of looking for in romantic relationships. And yeah,

870
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: I just I'd love to hear you speak more about that. Yeah, no,

871
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: it was because like when I was watching at that time,

872
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: this is like middle school, and like all of us, right,

873
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: had shitty time in middle school. But I always say,

874
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: like my middle school experience just by hey, it's terrible, right,

875
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: And I used, I was ready to get out, But

876
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: you're in sixth grade. You have two more years left,

877
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: you know, You're like, but the only way out was

878
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: through movies like this and the teen movies that I

879
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: would watch about high school, because I would be like,

880
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: this is what's coming next for me, And this isn't

881
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: only what's gonna come next to me with friends, Maybe

882
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: this is what comes next to me for like romantic

883
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: kind of ships to you know. But I was never

884
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: really attaching. I wasn't looking for queerness in this film.

885
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: I was just looking. I loved watching movies where girls

886
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: were best friends because like I didn't have really like

887
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: a best friend that was just like that close, you know.

888
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: And then when I started to grow up and I

889
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: went to apology and stuff like that, I learned about

890
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: the lesbian or queer girl trope where they're like all

891
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: lesbians or queer girls like end up falling in love

892
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: with their best friends. You know what I mean, whether

893
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: it's reciprocated or not. And I had never fallen in

894
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: love with any friend except for one girl in like

895
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: elementary school, where I realized that I was queer. But

896
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: when I was watching this specific movie, this was the

897
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: first one where the two best friends had like a

898
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: hell of falling out and it made me really sad

899
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: because they thought they were never I thought it wasn't

900
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: going to get back together, and I thought they weren't

901
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: going to have a friendship anymore, which for me was

902
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: breaking down my little cute world of what friendship is

903
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: and what queerness could be with another girl. Because in Clueless,

904
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: they were always best friends and job breaker. They didn't

905
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: like each other from me to begin with, and then

906
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: like and can't hardly wait that was an under like

907
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: unrequited love, but it was between assists male and then

908
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 1: assist girl and stuff. So this was the only movie

909
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: where I saw two outcasts essentially be best friends and

910
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: then fall out and then come back together in a

911
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: stronger way. And that's all I thought I wanted in

912
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: friendships and then eventually relationships when I grew up. So

913
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: I found clearness in it, even though that wasn't a

914
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: queer relationship at all, But at the heart of so

915
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: many peer girl relationships is friendship. So that's how I

916
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: connected fearness to it. And that's I mean, that's what's

917
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: really cool about a movie like this, where again, even

918
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: if I'm like dragging it from a screenwriting point of view, like,

919
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: you can still like latch onto really meaningful things like that,

920
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: And clearly so many people have because of this movie

921
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: is like cult fan base and everything. Yeah, I think

922
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: that's just like a wonderful thing. And I'll try to

923
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: stop making fun of its lack of three X structure. No, please,

924
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: don't mean the film is chaotic and crazy and unorganized

925
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: and all this, But there was just so many things

926
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: that I found in it, like from a screenwriting standpoint

927
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: of view, from a culture critic point of view, like

928
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: even if I was watching this movie and trying to

929
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: take my personal feelings out of it, would I rip

930
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: it apart? No, But I would not be giving it

931
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: four stars on letterbox like I do now. Most of

932
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: those stars are because I loved it, you know. Also,

933
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: another good thing that I saw in this movie that

934
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: I connected with was a character we lost a lot

935
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: of Gina with her um not Gina Um deborra. Yeah,

936
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: and she was clearly like cutting right because she talks

937
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: about it with like a lady bick and stuff. And

938
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: at that time in my life, I was also self harming,

939
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, when I was doing it. So I was

940
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: seeing I saw that something I hadn't seen in a

941
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: movie that had a happy ending, you know, essentially like

942
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: but a happy ending that was so true to the character,

943
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: like that character having that funeral and stuff. It wasn't

944
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: like outlanded. She was one of the only things that

945
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: kind of made sense that look a bit um. But

946
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: when I saw that, I thought that was cool because

947
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, damn, she's like going through something.

948
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: She's not telling everybody about it, she's private, she's cutting

949
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: her risk is messed up. But then she's like, all right,

950
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: I want these girls to be best friends again, so

951
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put myself in my ship on the table

952
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: and hope they do too. And then they did and

953
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: maybe friends again. And that there was another thing that

954
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: made me be like, I don't care that this record

955
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: store costs only nine thousand dollars, just be's incredible the

956
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: whole I want to get into that, like Nest of

957
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: relationships between the girls in this movie or the women.

958
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: I don't know how old they are. I don't yeah,

959
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: uh these young adults. But the Gina Corey stuff, it's again,

960
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like you almost have to like

961
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: headcan in your way through it a little bit, but

962
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't know I was able to get there and

963
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: having a friendship like that that, I mean, the slut

964
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: Shaminus was very true to that time. And while I

965
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: would have liked to see more like apologies of like

966
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have talked about you like that, Like that

967
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: was me being because it's clear they're projecting onto each

968
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: other in a way that it's like just talk it out,

969
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: like just have a conversation. Yeah, because Corey is feeling

970
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: insecure about like she thought she was ready to lose

971
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: her virginity and then it's like she had this traumatic

972
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: experience and she's like I'm not. But instead of talking

973
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: that out, she is projecting onto her friend who she

974
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: is jealous of, and it's like, well, you have sex

975
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: all the time and you're a slut. And then Redazelwager,

976
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean she I appreciated how how Gina was like

977
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: fuck you like you can't talk to me like that.

978
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: I did too. That was a cool moment. Yeah, and

979
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: then Debora I struggled with similar stuff as well, and

980
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: like I wish that it's and you're giving these nuggets

981
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: of like, oh, there was a real story in here

982
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: at one point. There's so much there because it's like

983
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: you get the smallest bit of context of because I

984
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: was like, we talked about this in the show all

985
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: the time, of like why are women randomly turned against

986
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 1: each other? Which I think in this movie it kind

987
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: of comes off a little like they're randomly turned against

988
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: each other because of how much is cut out, But

989
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: it seems like there was enough context at one point

990
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: in the final draft. Not really, but you have that

991
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: one scene with Deborah and Joe where Deborah's doing Joe's

992
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: taxes and like I was like, I don't order taxes. Yeah,

993
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: she's literally doing the taxes in like the recording prole phone.

994
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: Both thing like why can't she go to the office.

995
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: Why can't you via that room where everyone actually, yeah,

996
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: that's true, you can focus on taxes. Yeah, But like

997
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: Joe goes in and Joe is daddy and he's like,

998
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm worried about you. Are you okay? Should I call

999
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: your mom? And she says like, well, I can't find

1000
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: my mom. Like she it's implied that she has a

1001
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: very very strained, possibly like abandonment related relationship with her mom,

1002
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: which would contextualize why she struggles to connect with other women.

1003
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: But you don't ever fully get there. And that would

1004
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: have worked for me too. It's like if if you

1005
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: had just been able to gether. And then there's an

1006
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: implication that, like Gina has an issue with her mom too.

1007
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: It's only referenced once, and it seems like the screenwriter

1008
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: like had a plan for how these relationships were going,

1009
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: like and how these women were going to resolve their

1010
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: issues and yeah, and it's just like you, I wish

1011
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: we had gotten to see it. I would love to

1012
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: see like a director's cut of this movie. Hell yeah,

1013
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: does it exist? Especially like I don't know. I think

1014
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: then I asked that because I was gonna go back

1015
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: and watch, like you know how you have the interviews

1016
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: and stuff, but so much kids cut out. But because

1017
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: I interviewed Carol through zoom, and I think I did

1018
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: ask that, and I think the answer to that is

1019
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: like yes, but what we see it probably not you

1020
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: feel me. But because I think if we had gotten

1021
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: more story too, it would have on her it would

1022
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: have made sense as to why she was so helpful

1023
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: to her in the bathroom to Live Taylor and Bathroom,

1024
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: because that was so personal and so like sweet, but

1025
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: the way, like if you didn't really pay attention to

1026
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: that character, you wouldn't have been like, oh, that makes

1027
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: sense for her to do that. But I would like

1028
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: to see how they even got that. And also her

1029
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: situation with Berko, like what was going on there, Like

1030
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: there was like half contact because she's like Debra and Burko,

1031
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: who I always forget Burkos even a character, because he

1032
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: like shows up happen wearing a wig. I don't think so.

1033
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: I think it's just that just really bad hair. I

1034
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: was like, is that what's going on on his head?

1035
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: Like I don't like it, but I feel like it's

1036
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: implied that they have some kind of like romantic history

1037
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: and he's like are you okay? And she's like what

1038
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: do you care? You didn't care last night and then

1039
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I don't know. And then she's like,

1040
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't about you, But I thought about

1041
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: what happened last night and last week and last year,

1042
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: and I just what happened and we don't know, we

1043
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: are thinking about it too, And then she just says like,

1044
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: but this is already told you. This isn't about you,

1045
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: and it's like okay, But also like what is the

1046
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: context of this relationship and like does that inform anything?

1047
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: And there's just like isn't enough information given there, which

1048
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: I feel like is kind of a dangerous thing to do,

1049
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: especially when you're trying to talk about suicidal ideation. The

1050
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: movie is handling of that felt pretty irresponsible and like

1051
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: know how to handle it. And also like how they

1052
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: introduced her to the other two girls, like when they

1053
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: came to trade cash drawers and stuff like that, and

1054
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: she was like shocked me, shock me, shocked me. But

1055
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: it's just like why is she so hateful to these

1056
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: other two girls? Is it because they are so girly

1057
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: girl and she just happens to be like a punk

1058
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: kind of girl who just hates those kinds of girly

1059
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: girls or is it more than that or is that

1060
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: just how they're playing that. I don't know, they put

1061
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: all the girls so against each other and also with

1062
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: like Debbie Maser's character too low Key a little bit

1063
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: like how the girls saw her because she was hanging

1064
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: out with Rex and she was it just they put

1065
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: everybody so against each other, but I wasn't paying attention

1066
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: that so much of that. I was always so focused

1067
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: on Prey and Gina, like throughout all of it. And

1068
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: they put them against each other too though, right, It's

1069
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: like they eventually they started united and then they were

1070
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: very abruptly torn apart. And like again, I'm just like,

1071
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there was a version of this where

1072
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: it made more sense, but I do I agree with

1073
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: what you're saying as well, Caitlin, of like, when you're

1074
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: dealing with a narrative about self harm, it's like you

1075
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: have to have all of the context there or it

1076
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: becomes potentially harmful. And the cut of this movie that

1077
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: was released, like it's not intentionally harmful, but it could

1078
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: come off as like a little bit romanticizing, like old

1079
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: girl who doesn't fit in does this because that was

1080
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: how like I mean, I think we've talked about this

1081
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: on the show before, but like I learned how to

1082
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: self harm from an episode of Degrassi, which I don't

1083
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: think was their intention at all, but it was like

1084
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: that was something that was like I wouldn't have known

1085
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: how to do that, but when my favorite character on

1086
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: a TV show started doing I was like, oh, that's

1087
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: something I can do. And then it became a problem immediately,

1088
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: like it's just you can you can would be real careful.

1089
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: You have to be careful. Especially Also another way they

1090
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: had they kind of really should have explained a little

1091
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: bit more, why was Live Tyler's character? So, I mean,

1092
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: I know they changed it obviously she went to this

1093
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: Oprirgina and I really but even like why was she

1094
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: such a fan of this this older man? And the

1095
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: way that she talked about her dad too, She was like,

1096
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: my dad pressures me and he just wants me to

1097
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: like go to Harvard and he wants me to do

1098
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: all my work. There's twenty four usable hours and every day.

1099
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: The way they made her talk about the older men

1100
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: in her life but didn't really explain why she wants

1101
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: to do that, it could it made it look like

1102
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: it was like romantic until he was like, I don't

1103
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: want to make love to you. You can definitely just

1104
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: stuck my dick or whatever. But I really wanted because

1105
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: for a second I was like, oh, that's when I

1106
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: was watching, and I was younger. I was like, that's

1107
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: kind of hot that she just like thinks this guy

1108
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: is so hot and she wants to do all this

1109
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: stuff with him. Movie frames it that way. Yeah, it

1110
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: frames it that way. Oh my god. The way the

1111
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: camera moves on in Live Tyler is a teenager in

1112
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: this movie, and that's exactly movements on her is really

1113
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: exploitative and gross. Yeah, I'm like, let this leave this

1114
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: girl alone. Let's get her into the Lord of the

1115
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: Rings movies. Let's give her some sleeves, Let's let her

1116
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: live her life, Let's get it going, Let's get her

1117
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: out of here, Let's get her keep the crap top,

1118
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: but let's get her into the Lord of the Rings. Like, Yeah,

1119
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: it's and I would say the same thing with um.

1120
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: And it's so abrupt that I think that the deborah

1121
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: of the issue of self harm was a bigger red

1122
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: flag to me. But the way that Live Tyler's character

1123
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: is addiction storyline is dealt with very abruptly was also.

1124
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like that one was so clearly half

1125
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: big in the way it's presented in the movie that

1126
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: I was like, we barely had time to deal with it,

1127
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: but it's like she's not really offered any resolution in that,

1128
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: like it's you're told very abruptly she is addicted to

1129
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: it seems like adderall or like a speed, like some

1130
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: kind of stimulant speed. And then she is outed by

1131
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: her friend. Another traumatic thing she has like a small

1132
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: like fit or like a break. She panics and she

1133
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: like lashes out, and then she gets a boyfriend. And

1134
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, this doesn't like heterosexuality saves her or something

1135
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: like like what what are we gonna do about the

1136
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: addiction stuff? Well, when she goes to Harvard, he's going

1137
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: to take care of her because he'll be really close by,

1138
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: so he'll definitely just take care of her and take

1139
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: care of everything, and she doesn't have to worry about anything,

1140
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: and she'll be okay because now she's in love with

1141
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: this boy. But her friend was the one who saved her,

1142
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: not saved her, but not even her friend was the

1143
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: one who saved her. Was another girl who helped her,

1144
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: who used to hate her, but then who used to

1145
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: hate her. Yeah, but then we got on the rooftop

1146
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: and everything's fine. But also what I kind of another

1147
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: thing that I kind of thing was good don't, yeah,

1148
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: quote me. It's a podcast, you have to um, but

1149
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: it'll be out here forever and ever. But another thing

1150
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: I kind of thought that the movie kind of did

1151
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: a bit right was and I mean light right, was

1152
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: um Renai Zeliger kind of being like, yeah, I love sex,

1153
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: I am this girl because she didn't apologize a lot

1154
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: for it. She did she should not have done that

1155
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: to like get back at her friend and stuff like that,

1156
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: but it didn't seem like she had an issue being

1157
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: a sexual, cool person. And I think she was of age.

1158
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: I think we don't know. I think I think it's

1159
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: implied that she's a little bit older than that. And

1160
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't even know why I think that, but yeah,

1161
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: I think they just wanted to make it clear that

1162
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: she's at least eighteen when she was fucking like rexpanding.

1163
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: I think that's why they didn't have her talk a

1164
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: lot about school and stuff. But I kind of did

1165
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: that they were just having her like not be apologetic

1166
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: for it. She didn't want to be like her mom,

1167
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that was coming from like the job

1168
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: aspects of it, and maybe just like it was with

1169
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,479
Speaker 1: sex to some some of it. But she didn't seem

1170
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: to have an issue with it, and I kind of

1171
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: thought that was kind of cool a little bit, not

1172
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: like Hella a lot, but it was kind of cool. Yeah,

1173
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: it seems that the it's far more the other characters

1174
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: who shame her for her have an issue with it, yeah,

1175
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: than than the movie itself, right, um having any issue

1176
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: with like her being a sexually liberated person who's interesting, right,

1177
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, that I thought that was interesting too. It's

1178
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: so but then it's like again the movie you can

1179
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: just like see the studio it's happening in the last

1180
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 1: ten minutes of the movie, because she kind of doubles

1181
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: back on that at the end where she like enters

1182
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: the funeral and it's like, no, I'm not a cool,

1183
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: sexually liberated girl. This is actually I'm going to be

1184
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 1: just like my mother. And we don't know what that

1185
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: means because we know nothing about in this family where

1186
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: like that could mean anything. And so she kind of

1187
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: like I feel like she she was like holding her

1188
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: ground the whole movie of like how fucking dare you

1189
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: shame me? And then at the end she's like, but really,

1190
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm just having sex because I'm afraid to be a

1191
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: singer and I'm like, you can be a singer who

1192
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: has sex like you? Is it like this sex weird

1193
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: binary of like lah lah lah Like, but I did

1194
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: that said I did love that Live Tyler line read

1195
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: where it was said, like there's just like there's a

1196
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: few of these lines that I just they're so teen

1197
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: movie in a way that really warms my heart, no

1198
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: matter if I know what's going on or not. Where

1199
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: like Live Tyler is like, you're not going to be

1200
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: like your mother if you don't want to be like

1201
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: your mother. And I'm like, oh, I wish that was true,

1202
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: but but what a seventeen what an eighteen year old

1203
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: thing to be sure of? To be like, I don't

1204
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like my mom, so I'm

1205
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: not going to be like that's just not how generational

1206
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: trauma works. But so off, Yeah, it's I think it's

1207
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: like it's it's a very messy show for a film,

1208
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: but I just feel like there was Maybe that's another

1209
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: reason why I'm so attached to it, because I feel

1210
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: like there's a cut where there's reasoning behind some of it,

1211
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: and it doesn't I think it leaves all the actual

1212
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: connections on the cutting room floor and I think if

1213
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: we had a chance to power those up and if

1214
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 1: the studio and stuff wasn't so it's scared about, oh,

1215
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: here's just another teen movie with another girl like nowadays,

1216
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: I don't think they would have given a funk. They

1217
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: would have been like, there's another movie coming out that's

1218
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: exactly the same as this, but we're gonna put it

1219
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: out anyway. But they did, you know, they were just

1220
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: like too scared, and I bet it would have done well.

1221
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: It would have done well. Yeah, I really liked this.

1222
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: The there's like an anecdote about how the executive who

1223
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: like bought Empire Records because there was like which is

1224
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: always excited, especially for a female screenwriter. There was like

1225
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: a kind of like a small bidding. More over the

1226
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: Empire Records original script, which I would really love to read.

1227
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: I want to know how this movie was supposed to go,

1228
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: because it was less about capitalism and virginity in the

1229
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: first one. It was all about like found you know,

1230
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: chosen family, which I love um. But there was an

1231
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: executive executive who like bought it and like greenlit Empire

1232
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: Records was then the next day approached with the script

1233
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,480
Speaker 1: for Clueless, and he was like I don't need Clueless.

1234
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: I already have a teen movie. And I'm like, oh,

1235
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: you fumbled so hard one and l that's so embarrassing

1236
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: that he's like, I don't need it. I got I

1237
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: have a hit on my hands, and I'm like, I

1238
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: already have lived Tyler and Renee Zelwiger. I don't know

1239
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: who they really are yet, but I'm I'm doing this instead.

1240
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I see where he was going with that,

1241
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: but he was wrong. He was incorrect, especially because Clueless

1242
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,440
Speaker 1: was such a like surprise box office hit in itself.

1243
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: Empire Records had a ten million dollar budget and only

1244
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: grossed like sorry, and only gross like three hundred dollars

1245
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: or something like that. But it was the studio killed it.

1246
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't because people didn't want to see it. It's

1247
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: because the studio made it impossible for people to see

1248
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: because they sucked it up so hard that they then

1249
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: had to kill it themselves. And it's like and everyone

1250
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: lost as a result. Because Carrol was also telling me,

1251
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: like they started pulling theaters like they were just like okay,

1252
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: well maybe not here maybe. And then the run was

1253
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: also very short. It was only in theaters for like

1254
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: maybe a month. Weeks or something. Yeah, something like that,

1255
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 1: and in such a small amount of theaters. You they

1256
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: didn't even give it a chance. They just and then yeah,

1257
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: they just so happened to Like later it'd be like

1258
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: this like big hit or whatever with like the people

1259
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: who really wasn't meant for but at the time, yeah

1260
01:12:54,520 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: they killed it. Yeah fucked. I don't like it because

1261
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: there is a really cool coherent movie here. It's just

1262
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: not the one that ends up on the screen. It's

1263
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: not the one. But like there's so much potential for

1264
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: a movie to be about what it's about, which again

1265
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: is like misfits coming together as this chosen family having issues,

1266
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: resolving those issues, like finding ways to bond, all that stuff,

1267
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 1: all that stuff that's like very emotionally compelling and extremely

1268
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: relatable and human. It's just that it's so bogged down

1269
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: by so many weird random, like totally incongruous like scenes

1270
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: here and there, and just other kind of weirdness. And

1271
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: I feel like characters being rewritten to make weird choices,

1272
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 1: or things like suicidality and like drug addiction not being

1273
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: handled well. I mean, the overall cultural emotional and eligience

1274
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: of the mid nineties was like not equipped to deal

1275
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff, but I appreciate that they

1276
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: were trying. They tried, and there's a lot of potential

1277
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: in this premise. I mean, again from a teenagers watching

1278
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: this in the mid to late nineties and like finding

1279
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: so much to latch onto, like that is very cool

1280
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: and I can understand why. And I'm sure I would

1281
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: have if I had I seen this as a like

1282
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: tween and like or something like that, Like I would

1283
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: have had a different response. But it's just I understand that,

1284
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: like seeing it for the first time four days ago

1285
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: as a thirty five year old person living in I mean,

1286
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: it's easier to criticize from that advantage point. We got

1287
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: to take a quick break, but we will come right back.

1288
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie? I

1289
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: just think like on top of that, I just think

1290
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: it's we have so much to talk about about the

1291
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: relationship between the girls and then with the guys. I'm

1292
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: just like sometimes I forgot which guy was which I'm like,

1293
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: these are all the same goofball. There's no conflict between

1294
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: except between like daddy and son, like that's the only

1295
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: real but like there's no Frick there's only universal support

1296
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: between these goofy boys, Like they're all just like, oh,

1297
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: you're fucking wild man like in a way that it's

1298
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: like it's goofy because they should maybe be in conflict

1299
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: a little more with each other. But also it just

1300
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: is like such a stark contrast to like the women

1301
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: in this movie are constantly in conflict, only in conflict really,

1302
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: and then the guys are just like, yoh whatever, man like,

1303
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: like it's so stark. It was just like bizarre, which

1304
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: is complicated because it's like the implication being women being

1305
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: in the same space together, well, they're obviously gonna hate

1306
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: each other conflict, but then it also means that those

1307
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: are the far more interesting and nuanced relationships in this movie,

1308
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: whereas like all the relationships with the men are just

1309
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: like who are you again? Who is this? They just

1310
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: want to smoke, they want to eat pizza, they bring

1311
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: each other snacks like, and they don't. And that's the

1312
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: weird thing because the major, the biggest conflict is like

1313
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: he's stole nine grand from him, but like that doesn't

1314
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: even create conflict in the story. Yeah, it's like, what's

1315
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: to fight about is the fact that I want to

1316
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 1: lose my opportinity to this guy, and for some reason,

1317
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: we're going to fight about it on our break as

1318
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: this really cute little cafe, Like it's weird. Yeah, it's weird.

1319
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: It's weird, and they're fighting over a disgusting creep who

1320
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: wants to do sexual things with a high school student,

1321
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: So absolutely fuck that guy. And then also, real quick,

1322
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: the Rex Manning fan base thing. So obviously he's resentful

1323
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: that only women over the age of like thirty five,

1324
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: who he doesn't deem to be quote unquote fuckable, like

1325
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: they're not sexually viable to him, they are the main

1326
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: demographic of his fan base, and he hates that that's

1327
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: who likes his music. And then there's a scene where

1328
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: Jane is talking about how Rex Manning's music tested well

1329
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: with teen boys actually, and then Lucas says something like, oh, well,

1330
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: did you compare the teen boys who like Rex Manning's

1331
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: music to the incidents of homosexuality among teen boys? So

1332
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: fucking nineties homophobic, like, and that's like, but also I

1333
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: feel like the movie is saying the fact that older

1334
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 1: women and gay men that's who likes this guy, and

1335
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: that is part of why we're not supposed to like

1336
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,879
Speaker 1: Rex Manning as a character, and it's like, um, look,

1337
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: older women and gay men have a lot of disposable

1338
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: income and and put some risk. Good taste, Yeah, had

1339
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 1: good tast. They're paying your rent, Like he just didn't

1340
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: care because I think the main point of is that

1341
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: they wanted us to take away was the fact that

1342
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,879
Speaker 1: he didn't see them as buckable, which is again another

1343
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: trope of being like older women or whatever are no

1344
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: longer hot after what or something like that, and he's

1345
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: just like after that, even though like that is his

1346
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 1: whole fan base is literally those were that when you

1347
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: look at the line outside, those were the people that

1348
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: showed up, and we would have under I don't think

1349
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted more understanding of like why liv

1350
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: Tyler loved him so much, Like she didn't fit it.

1351
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: And I think we would have knew that if we

1352
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: would have talked about more about the stuff with her dad,

1353
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: because she clearly had issues with him, but we didn't.

1354
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: They skipped over all that. Yeah, it was weird. It

1355
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: was weird. It's very bizarre. This movie is just so weird. Um,

1356
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: does anyone else have any other stuff? I just don't

1357
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: understand why Lucas didn't clearly explain to Joe or anyone

1358
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 1: else what his intentions were with taking the money, Like

1359
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: he could have just been like I saw that we

1360
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: were in trouble and I tried to save us, but oops,

1361
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: I lost all the money gambling. I'm so sorry. But

1362
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: he never says that. Every time all they provides exposition

1363
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: to himself, he doesn't provide it to other characters. And

1364
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: he came back with a bunch of quarters instead, which

1365
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: just get glued to the floor for the sake of art.

1366
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: For art, oh gosh. But every time he tries to

1367
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: explain why he did what he did, it's just so

1368
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: like metaphorical and cryptic, and it's like your intentions were pure,

1369
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: you can just tell what your intentions were. You were

1370
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: trying to help Daddy, Like he wanted to say that,

1371
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, but he can't. He's an agent of chaos.

1372
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: Like Luke isn't such an annoying character, but I couldn't

1373
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: help but love him, and like his heart's in the

1374
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: right place, but he just like he just will not

1375
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 1: say the right thing at the right time. What a

1376
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: what a sweetie, what a what a weird kid? And

1377
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: you get a little glimpse into his past too, that

1378
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: I assume was originally a bigger part of the story

1379
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: where it sounds like, um, he was put in like

1380
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: foster care. He took him in, Yeah right, he took

1381
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: him in, Daddy, So Daddy can't punish the kid all

1382
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: he took in, Yeah right, because he's like, well that

1383
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 1: I got this kid like out of a bad situation,

1384
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put him back into one. But

1385
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: it's just like movie wise, it would have been nice

1386
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: to have that scene and had, you know, get Lucas

1387
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: to communicate at some point in the movie, but he

1388
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 1: just kind of never does about what's and then at

1389
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: the end he's like, Daddy, I'm happy for you, and

1390
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 1: he's like thanks son. Yeah. But instead of any of that,

1391
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 1: like further context or development that we needed, instead we

1392
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: get a scene where Mark is dusting near a woman

1393
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: who's just you know, jamming out. She's closing her eyes,

1394
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: she was like listening to the music, and then he

1395
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: tries to assault her like he's just trying to kiss her,

1396
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: and the movie plays it off as isn't this funny

1397
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: and quirky and cute? Isn't that a funny thing? For

1398
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: Mark to do cut Mark from the movie, Like that's

1399
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: the character that is most goable. Why didn't they cut Mark?

1400
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: They cut who? Did they cut? Three people? They didn't

1401
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: cut Mark? Come on, This is unrelated, but just like

1402
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: in a post pandemic era, not that you could even

1403
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: get COVID from a pair of those headphones, but I

1404
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's so gross that we used to

1405
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: do that, that we used to just record stores and yeah,

1406
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: it's so it's so nasty. Why God wipe us out?

1407
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: Like it's just like nasty. Anyways, I think that that's

1408
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: my last comment is those headphones are so gross you

1409
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: couldn't pay me to put them on. My last comment

1410
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,919
Speaker 1: is at the very beginning, when Lucas goes to Atlantic

1411
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: City and gambles and the first time he's playing craps, right,

1412
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: and he doubles his money or he wins money the

1413
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 1: first time he wins, and then the like sexy lady

1414
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: that's next to him his like, you know, kind of

1415
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: cuddled up against him, and then she's like, you are

1416
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: sex is a thing that she says to him, You

1417
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: are sex, Like I don't know about that, but it's

1418
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: so funny. I know exactly about that. Um, yeah, so

1419
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: that was amazing, and you are sex. We're all sex.

1420
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: We're all sex, especially Gina. Apparently that's what they wanted

1421
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: us especially, right, But how does she feel about it?

1422
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: We'll never know, never know. Does this fast back to test? Yeah,

1423
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: not a lot. Yeah, but like not as much as

1424
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: you would think I was going to say. Yeah. I

1425
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: think my favorite exchange is when Deborah says, hey, miss

1426
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: Tina America, here's a button I made for you. Don't worry.

1427
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: I didn't spit on it, and then Corey reads what

1428
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: it says and it just says dishonesty. So she's like,

1429
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: dishonesty and that passes the test. There's a lot of

1430
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: sinister Yeah, there's a lot of sinister passes in this movie,

1431
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: but it does pass, which I accept. Yeah, and I

1432
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 1: didn't know that's the one I choose to like that

1433
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: one that looks dishadesty, and it's like, well, we passed,

1434
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: So we did it, ladies, we did it. Feminist win,

1435
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: Oh gosh. And then as far as our nipple scale on,

1436
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: we rate the movie based on examining it through an

1437
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens. I guess my takeaway from this is

1438
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,759
Speaker 1: that I appreciate that so many people have been able

1439
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: to latch onto this movie for relatable premise of like

1440
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: misfits being represented on screen, finding a community, finding a

1441
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: chosen family, because not many movies were about that, especially

1442
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: in this era. So I understand why it was so

1443
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: appealing to people who had so little representation. That said,

1444
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: the movie is extremely white, It is extremely hetero, It

1445
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 1: is extremely like middle class. Even though some of these

1446
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: like it suggested that a lot of the characters are

1447
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: struggling financially, we don't actually see any manifestations of that.

1448
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: It's just like because we just see them one day

1449
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: in a record store and we're just kind of assuming everyone's, like,

1450
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: everyone's fine. So it's just it only represents a very

1451
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: small demographic of people. It leaves a lot of people out.

1452
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: It does not handle a lot of uh serious topics

1453
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: such as sue, subtle ideation, and addiction, does not know

1454
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: how to approach handling those things, executes those things not well.

1455
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: But it's extremely valid for you know, the people who

1456
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: saw themselves represented in the movie and like, well, like

1457
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: you were talking about Shelley, like, even though there's there's

1458
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: no explicit queerness, even though you know, there's you're still

1459
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: able to see yourself in it and and and see

1460
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: parts of like what you long for in it, and

1461
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: like that's extremely valid. And with all of that in mind,

1462
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: I will give the movie two nipples. Maybe is that

1463
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: too many? Way? I thought you were going to go

1464
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: lower than I thought I was too. Jamie's like, I

1465
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: got you, Okay, I love it. I do like that

1466
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: A lot of the most interesting relationships in the movie

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01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: are among women, and a lot of the most interest

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01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: arcs are afforded to the female characters. There's still a

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01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: lot of tropes present there. But what are you expecting

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01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: from guess? Um, Yeah, I think this is maybe too

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01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 1: high and on I like, did I enjoy watching this movie?

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01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: From a zero to five scale, I would give this

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01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: movie zero nipples, but sorry, But from a you know,

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01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: is it doing some interesting things? Sure? I guess two nipples,

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01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: and I'll give one two live Tyler's crop top, and

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01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:44,879
Speaker 1: I'll give one to the line of dialogue you are six.

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01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something weird here, and I'm gonna give

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01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: nipple rating to the actual movie and a nipple writing

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01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: to the movie that I think it was going to

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01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: be prior to being released. Okay, the actual movie, I'm

1481
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: going to give one nipple too, because it's so messy

1482
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, I there are the like seeds of

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01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 1: so many interesting things. But because of the way the

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01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: movie was edited and marketed and rewritten outside of like

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01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 1: the writer's original vision, I feel like it does miss

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01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: the mark a lot of the time, and I like

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01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: totally echo I mean the nineties like extreme you know,

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01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: white middle class heterosexuality, which is true of basically the

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01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: whole genre at this time. But even on top of that,

1490
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: like it's so it's like I see, I would say

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01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: I had a five out of five nipple experience watching

1492
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: this movie because we were we were just like I

1493
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: was paying such close attention, waiting for something that makes sense,

1494
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: and like it was so fun to be like, huh,

1495
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: what he's got a gun? Like what is happening? Um,

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01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: So healing experience was incredible. I it's it's always like,

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01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, kind of disappointing in a way again that

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01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: it's like not the writer or director's fault to see

1499
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: a teen movie try to approach serious issues that could

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01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 1: have been impactful if they had been given some room

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01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: to breathe and then see a kind of undercut. So

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01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: I give one nipple to the movie that came out,

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01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: and I'll give that to Live Tyler's Crop Top. I'm

1504
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: going to give three nipples to the movie that I

1505
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: like think was in there, maybe even three and a half,

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01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 1: Like if you had gotten like Debrah's you know, full

1507
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: backstory and like gotten to fully realize a self harm

1508
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: narrative that had a positive ending for the character in

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01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: a teen movie. I think that that could have been

1510
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:41,480
Speaker 1: a really cool, impactful storyline if it was done thoughtfully.

1511
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: Sam goes for the Lift Tyler storyline. Sam goes for

1512
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:49,520
Speaker 1: the sludge shaming storyline with Gina like I and um,

1513
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: like Carol was saying in her interview with you, Shelly,

1514
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: like it sounds like the Gina Corey friendship was so

1515
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: much more integral to the movie she wanted to make.

1516
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: And I would have loved to have seen that. So

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01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 1: I'll give I'll have three and a half to the

1518
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: movie that I that I think it was at one point,

1519
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: And I'll give those nipples to you are sex, I'll

1520
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: give them to the dirty headphones. I'll give them to

1521
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: the newscaster who's like the news is on live and

1522
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we know, uh, and I'll give my

1523
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 1: last half to the eyebrows. Yeah. I think like with

1524
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: everything that you were saying about, you know, the sistness,

1525
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 1: the whiteness, everything a part of it, putting on that

1526
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: in and also taking all of that apart and being like, yeah,

1527
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: there's this, there was more here than meets the eye,

1528
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: or that's on the cuting room floor somewhere or in

1529
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: someone's basement and rating the movie that we actually got,

1530
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: I would definitely just give it like two stars and

1531
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: or sorry to nipples letterbox, I'm sorry, how could you

1532
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: cut it out? Sorry? That wasn't me. Actually that was

1533
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: Shreky that said stars. I would give it to nipples

1534
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 1: um and the one Nipple, of course, goes to live

1535
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: Tie was crap top like that will forever get one

1536
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: and the other one I think goes for like what

1537
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: it was trying to do, like everything that it was

1538
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 1: trying to do, what it could have been, all the

1539
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: holes in the story and stuff like that, because I

1540
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:45,799
Speaker 1: think they're saying something if you can not only find

1541
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,560
Speaker 1: the holes in the story but then be like, oh,

1542
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: there's more to this. I think if your mind when

1543
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: you're watching it is like, instead of just being like, oh,

1544
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense and then throwing it aside, if instead,

1545
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 1: when you're watching a movie and you're like, wait a minute,

1546
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: there was something actually there and something just got sucked up,

1547
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: then you can be like, you can appreciate it a

1548
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: little bit more. So that's what my nipple rating scale is.

1549
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: But in a universe where none of this happened, and

1550
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm in middle school and I'm watching this this movie

1551
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 1: that was not meant for this, like black Girl, Midwest

1552
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: middle class, like Weirdo come in, I give it like

1553
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: five because it made me fucking happy, Like it made

1554
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: me happy. It made me happy, and I made memories

1555
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: with it. I danced around my room to it. I

1556
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: would like acted out in certain scenes when I would

1557
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 1: watch at different times, like and then I got to

1558
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: like write about it for twenty five year anniversary and

1559
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 1: stuff and talk to the person who made it. So

1560
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 1: for that, I give it five in that world. But

1561
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: that's it amazing. I'm thank you for bringing up this

1562
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: movie because it really was like, of course fun worm hole.

1563
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: This is like one of my favorite chaos conversations on

1564
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: the show. And sometimes truly, Yeah, come back anytime I want.

1565
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: And um, tell us where people can follow you on

1566
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: social media, read your writing, anything else you want to plug. Well,

1567
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: if you just type in Shreky on Twitter, you'll find you.

1568
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: Just type that in, you'll find me. It's totally fine.

1569
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: Um No, I'm mostly on Twitter at Hi Shelley, and

1570
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: then I'm on Instagram at a Yo Shelley. On Twitter,

1571
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 1: I just talked last year about movies and TV that

1572
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 1: I want people to watch that I think they should

1573
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: be watching. Um. And on Instagram, I'm just supposed to

1574
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: keep pictures of myself. But yeah, and then I write

1575
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: culture writer at auto Straddle and I write you know,

1576
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: a lot of pieces there, but I also just edit

1577
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot of really dope new and emerging writers over

1578
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 1: there too, actually black and brown fear writers. Um. And

1579
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: then other than that, I writed a few other places.

1580
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: I just anybody that wants to let me talk about

1581
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: in a movie and pay me for it pretty much

1582
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: to do it. So I'm there. You're real good at it,

1583
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: Please keep doing it. Thank you, thank you. But that's

1584
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: a truly come back anytime. Oh dope, I love you guys.

1585
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: This is such a dope podcast. I remember when I

1586
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: found it, and I really dig it every since, and yeah,

1587
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 1: it's just dope. We're h and uh, yeah, I guess.

1588
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: You can follow us on social media Twitter and Instagram

1589
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:45,840
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1590
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: gets you to bonus episodes every single month. It's five

1591
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Speaker 1: dollars a month, and you can hear such episodes as

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01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: the Stewart Little one, where Steve's on who again should

1593
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:00,759
Speaker 1: be in this movie? He says you with this friends

1594
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: there man, some of my favorite matrons. You're like, you'd

1595
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: think there's nothing to talk about in Stuart Little, but

1596
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: there's a whole Gina Davis feminism conversation to be had.

1597
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: So that's that's where. If you want more chaos. Uh,

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01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:19,400
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Speaker 1: us on Instagram, follow us on Twitter or don't, all

1601
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Speaker 1: right or don't or do or do? Also give us

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01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 1: five nipples on Apple podcasts or whatever. Oh my gosh. Yeah,

1603
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 1: because because people were getting really mad about the Zootopia

1604
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: hive came for our comments section on Apple Podcasts. If

1605
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: you could help out there that would actually rock because

1606
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much people love um animal cops anyways.

1607
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 1: All right, well that concludes rex spanning day on the

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01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 1: Bechtel cast Let's close up. It's midnight, so we gotta

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Speaker 1: go and for the fundraise their bye bye bye