1 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it now, 2 00:00:37,360 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: release slowly again deep in, helle hold release, repeating internally 3 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am deeply, 4 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: deeply well. I am deeply well. I am deeply I'm 5 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome 6 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on your journey. 7 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: A podcast for those that are curious, creative, and ready 8 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: to expand in higher consciousness and self care. This is 9 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: where we heal, this is where we transcend. Welcome back 10 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: to the Deeply Well Podcast. I am your host, Debbie Brown, 11 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: and I am so grateful and glad to have you 12 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: all here with me today. This month, we have been 13 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: diving into the topic of looking within and discovering new 14 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: rituals and practices that can help us feel more grounded 15 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: and connected, both within ourselves and the world around us. 16 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: This is always important work, but more than ever at 17 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: this time of being alive, with all of the things 18 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: happening around us, all of the ways our consciousness is 19 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: being stretched and has been really stretched and transformed, especially 20 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: over the last five years. Doing this kind of work 21 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: this month is an opportunity to go deeper into the 22 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: ways that you can show up for yourself so that 23 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: all the ways that you can bring light on the 24 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: planet are supported and nourished, and you can have vibrant mental, spiritual, emotional, 25 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: and ideally physical health as well. So we've been diving 26 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: into all of that, and that is why I am 27 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: beyond excited for today's episode. I could not think of 28 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: a better being to get into the fibers of this 29 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: conversation than the person I have here today. One of 30 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: the most incredible healers I have ever had a chance 31 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: to cross path with, and one of my favorite favorite 32 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: teachers and dear friends, David Elliott, is joining us today. 33 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: Our guest today was born and raised on a farm 34 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: in Kentucky. David graduated from the University of Kentucky with 35 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: an MBA degree. He then ventured to Los Angeles and 36 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: began acting in films, television shows, and commercials throughout the 37 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. After meeting with a mystic healer, Tim Heath, 38 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: Elliott connected the dots of many chances with strangers, people 39 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: claiming that they had been sent to him for healing 40 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: by their guru in India or their psychic in New York. 41 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: With the help of Tim, David learned to recognize his 42 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: unique ability to feel, move, and shift stuck energy. The 43 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: healing work soon became his passion and the reluctant phase 44 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: of his life dissipated. By nineteen ninety seven, his acting 45 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: career had successfully transitioned into a full time career working 46 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: as a healing artist. As David recalls, the universe obviously 47 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: had a plan for me, so I decided to get 48 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: out of the way and do the healing work. David 49 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: has had a successful healing practice for the past twenty 50 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: five years, as well as an active practice in many 51 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: US cities and Europe. He has trained healers from around 52 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: the world and the demand for his teaching and healing 53 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: work is growing. In recent years, David has begun teaching 54 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: teachers so he can have more support and get into 55 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: a much needed vacation. The Creative Healing Arts Center is 56 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: his vision for the future and his way of giving 57 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: back to the Mother Earth and all of the beneficial 58 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: energies that have been supporting him in his healing journey. 59 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: Creative expression is a shortcut David is used and helping 60 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: people heal, and it will play a big role in 61 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: this center, as artists will be giving opportunities to help 62 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: tell their story about how we have to take care 63 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: of Mother Earth literally as our most important family member. 64 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: We are so so honored to have him on the 65 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: show to share his insights and guide us towards self 66 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: love and healing. David, welcome. 67 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here. Thank you. 68 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: Did that feel so cringeing your whole life read to you? 69 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not too bad. 70 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah ah. I am so excited to have you 71 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: on the show. I also have two of your books 72 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: here that I'm obsessed with, and we're going to link 73 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: to these in bio. I've read and loved them both. 74 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: The first was The Reluctant Healer by You, which is 75 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: an incredible book about your life and also like fundamental 76 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: beginning to be in a healer and all the practices 77 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: and all the ways that you'll need to support yourself 78 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: and create your spaces. And then his second book, Healing, 79 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: is an incredible read as well. So I love these 80 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: and these will be linked in bio. This episode is 81 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: absolutely for everyone, but especially I think if you identify 82 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: as someone who has come onto the planet to help it, 83 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: if you're somebody who lives in service and has a 84 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: desire to one help yourself, but you're helping yourself to 85 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: help others, to help the planet. And I'm really excited 86 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: for this episode, David, because this last month we spent 87 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: four episodes exploring integrity and all the different facets that 88 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: integrity can be in our lives and our spirit and 89 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: the world and the work that we do. And I 90 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: thought it was so important to ground this season in 91 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: that because it's so fundamental, but it's something I don't 92 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: here spoken to or taught. And in this day and age, 93 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: if you don't have a direct teacher or someone that 94 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: you can spend slow time with becoming yourself and learning, 95 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily going to be imparted on you. Like lately, 96 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: everything is about core structures and I'm a ten x 97 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: this and making this much and I teach people how 98 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: to teach people, how to teach people, how to teach 99 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: people how to take money, you know. And this month 100 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: what we're exploring is supportive tools and practices and processes 101 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: to really build and fortify the endurance to heal yourself 102 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: and to be a light in the rest of the world. 103 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: And so I'll start with how we first got connected. 104 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: Oh I do remember, I think forget which one if 105 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: one of the will. 106 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Is Oh, my god, Scout, Scout, Scout, Yes, my beloved Scout, 107 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: My beloved Scout willis Yes. 108 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: Oh. 109 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: One of my dear friends. She and I had a 110 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: few years back, had been studying together in the same 111 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: in a similar in the same program, and I remember she, 112 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about so much of our 113 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: stuff and we're working through so many things, and I 114 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: remember she told me about you, and she was just like, go. 115 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: It was so mystical the way she said it, right 116 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: like it was just very much like you must go, 117 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, And I was like, oh my god. 118 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: Yes. 119 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: And so I remember I went to visit you and 120 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: I did a healing session with you. And as you know, 121 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: we don't have to get into this. I got a 122 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: certain kind of brain. I'm like, I'm a certain kind 123 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: of person. I can be a little intense, I have 124 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: a lot of questions, I have a lot to say. 125 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: And remember I spent a few hours with you, and 126 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: I'll never forget how it felt doing that first session 127 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: with you. And obviously now I've had the chance to 128 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: experience your work. Many many many men and many times gratefully, 129 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: but this first session, it felt like I was able 130 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: to integrate every single thing that I had been excruciatingly 131 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: working on within myself. And when I came to you, 132 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: I realized that I was ready for the next stage 133 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: of my journey in my life because it all went 134 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: and assimilate it within me. And I remember we were 135 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: doing breath work and we were in the healing session, 136 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: and I had this like literal feeling of being into 137 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: masculine and feminine and it was kind of like blue 138 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: and pink, and having this experience of it uniting and 139 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: harmon and becoming like two halves into a hole. And 140 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: I had this feeling of energy literally like rushing into 141 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: the soles of my feet and freeing me in a 142 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: different way than I had ever felt before. And as 143 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: someone who is a healer and is trained in the 144 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: modalities of healing, I do there really is nothing more 145 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: sacred than having the power of someone else's healing kind 146 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: of cover you and kind of being in awe that 147 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: you know. And I remember just feeling being there and 148 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: not only feeling reverence for the way that it allowed 149 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: me to feel within myself as my being in this 150 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: lifetime and the things that I've been through in this life, 151 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: but just also how incredible and powerful it is to 152 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: be in awe of someone that has achieved so much 153 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: in the work God called them to do. 154 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: Well. I don't know if I'd go that far, but 155 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: I mean the way I look at it, and I 156 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: remember our first couple of sessions talking about some of 157 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: the ways you had been working in me trying to 158 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: impart and why I love breath work is that I 159 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: don't feel like i'm doing anything. I'm holding the space 160 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: and really kind of letting a person's spirit hold the 161 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: agenda for the healing that they're ready for, which I 162 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: feel like so many things. Well, I think the luxury 163 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: and how I look at a lot of how I 164 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: tend to work is that people have done so much work, 165 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: whether it's therapy, healing work, all these things, and that 166 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: I get lucky sometimes and helping thread the need or 167 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: connect those things up. But when you mentioned about the 168 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: pink and the blue, or the masculine and the feminine, 169 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: that's deep work that I've been doing on my own 170 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: for a long time, and even working with the native pipe, 171 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: it's that's the sacred energy, is the masculine in the bowl, 172 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: and the stem is the feminine in the bowl, and 173 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: the stem is the masculine. And when you bring the 174 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: two together, you know, it really helps that that energy 175 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 2: in your heart and really that sacred marriage or union, 176 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: which to me it's not always one hundred percent, but 177 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: if we get that pretty balance, and of course I 178 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: write about self love a lot, then it I believe 179 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: it frees us up in so many of our external 180 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: relationships because if we're loving ourself, we're not needing something 181 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: to help complete us. 182 00:12:54,080 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that is the work. 183 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: Of course, that was a line what Jerry Maguire, you know, 184 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: you complete me, which to me was a great theatrical 185 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: whatever line in the movie. But it's not a practical scenario. 186 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, film and TV really jacked us. 187 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: Up pretty pretty much. 188 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, it really who lives like that? 189 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: And also, yeah, it's just all right, we don't even 190 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: have to Someone needs to make a Netflix documentary about that, 191 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: especially the nineties. But it was incredible. And you know, 192 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: I've shared about you on this show before because we 193 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: were both up at the loved Omega Institute at the 194 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: same time last season, and I actually posted about this 195 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: recently on Instagram so much left Romega. I was up 196 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: there with the women who Heal Retreat and I want 197 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: to I just kind of want to set the stage 198 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: the visualization of this. So David is a star on 199 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: O'll make Us Campus, right, So the campus like me 200 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: and myself and Quinapua were at Omega leading the women 201 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: who He'll Retreat And it was an incredible week that 202 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: we were there and we had I think we had 203 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: about seventy five women with us that week. So we 204 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: were kind of moving through the campus. You know, it's 205 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: a beautiful place and it was so special. And then 206 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: everyone was like whispering, like David Elliot is going to 207 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: do a broad work done. My David Elliott is doing broathwork. 208 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: They're like, I wonder if you can get in that class. 209 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: I wonder And then I saw you. We sat down 210 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: and we had a meal together, and You're like, invite 211 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: all your women. So we show up. We're in the forest. 212 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: It is the night, and we show up to this huge, 213 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: beautiful sanctuary and David had his huge group of students 214 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: and then there was this huge group of veterans from 215 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: all over the country that were learning different practices and mindfulness. 216 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: And then I had my group of amazing seventy five women, 217 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: most of whom I would say ninety nine percent of 218 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: whom had never done breathwork of any kind before. And 219 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: we all come in there and like I'm in my 220 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: jammy as I actually had just washed my hair, I 221 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: had it all tied up, and we are all in 222 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: this huge sanctuary and we're laying on the floor and 223 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: David leads us through an hour of breath work. And 224 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: to this day I get constant messages about how much 225 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: that changed the lives of the women who had come 226 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: with me, and how important that was for them, how 227 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: much space it created in them. So they've been sharing 228 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: updates of how life has felt since then. But if 229 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: you've never sat in a breathwork session, and when I 230 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: say breathwork session, I don't just mean kind of like 231 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: some of the more yogic breaths that I lead on 232 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: this show or in meditation. Sometimes this is very kind 233 00:15:54,760 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: of active, participatory, holotropic breathing, and it can it can 234 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: very much feel if you've done this before, like a 235 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: psychedelic experience. It completely gets you inside of yourself, but 236 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: it takes you out of any desire or connection to 237 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: being able to control and you're on a journey, and 238 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: in sessions like this, you'll hear things like hysterical laughing, 239 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: You'll hear wailing and weeping and crying. You'll hear sometimes words, 240 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: you'll hear joy, you'll hear bliss. But it's a feeling 241 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: that deeply changes you. And yeah, that was That was 242 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: one of the very special experiences that we had together. 243 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: It was and I was a little apprehensive, not knowing, 244 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: but obviously the veterans who were there were Vietnam vets, 245 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. So I was like, well, 246 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: you know, their bodies. And I talked to Annie about it. 247 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: You know, the trauma that they held, you know, was 248 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 2: profound in a lot of cases. And I was like, 249 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: you know, you guys, you can have your group together 250 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: kind of in the corner by the door that way, 251 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 2: if anybody needs to leave the room at any point, 252 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: go in and out, they can. But little did I know. 253 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: As I got in there and set up, this line 254 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: of guys came and set three feet right in front 255 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: of me, about fifteen of them, and I started to 256 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: realize they were wearing fatigues and that oh the veterans 257 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: have come to the front row, and I was like, 258 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: are you guys supposed to be with Annie back in 259 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: the corner, and they're like, no, no, she told us 260 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 2: to come to the front row. So I didn't. I mean, 261 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of it, but I didn't know how deep. 262 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: And within a few minutes of breathing, not only did 263 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: there well, So for me, the reason why use the 264 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: breath is to help people stop thinking, to get out 265 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: of their mind in a way at the oxygen does that, 266 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: and really my whole intention is that we open the hearts. 267 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 2: And I saw it happening kind of almost like this 268 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: trickle effect with these guys, and then their bodies started shaking, 269 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 2: which I knew they were, you know, that's in conjunction 270 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: with the sounds and the rest of the room, but 271 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: I knew they were going really deep. And yeah, I 272 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: saw some of those guys the next two days who 273 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: would come up and tell me what all happened to them, 274 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: which was really deep. And some of them had done 275 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: some types of breath work before too, so they were 276 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: ready to dive on in there deeper. So it was 277 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: good deeply. 278 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: Well, how did you first discover the breath. And how 279 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: did you know that that would be your superpower? 280 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: Well, remember that first books called The Reluctant Healer. So 281 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: I had and as you read in the bio had well, 282 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: I grew up in Kentucky. I had a great uncle 283 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: there after I finished college who had raised his had 284 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: moved to Los Angeles and raised his children out here 285 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: or in the Fountain Valley, and anyway, they were all artists, 286 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: actors and musicians, and so he had moved back to 287 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: Kentucky after he had been there a little while. He 288 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: got me and said, I'm taking you out west. He said, 289 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 2: I'm taking you out west, young man. We have to 290 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: get you out of Kentucky. I was like, okay, I'll go. 291 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 2: And I didn't realize it was he was really intentionally 292 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: getting me out of Kentucky. I didn't. I actually for 293 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: a little while, took a job with a company and 294 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: moved to Florida. But his grandkids planted the seeds and 295 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 2: they just they said, well, why why do you need 296 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: to get a job, Just stay here and be an 297 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: actor and what are you talking about? And so little 298 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: did I know the universe had this plan. I got 299 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: to Florida and started meeting photographers and agents and started 300 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: doing commercials. Ended up back in LA about three years later, 301 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: and then simultaneously, I mean, I was getting some work, 302 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: you know, in Florida and commercials, but I knew I 303 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: wanted to do more theatrical work, and I really studied. 304 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: Like I mean, it took me a while to understand, Oh, 305 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: you can actually emote and you can feel things. I 306 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: mean to me, the whole acting process was very spiritual 307 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: because I didn't I mean, I was emotional growing up, 308 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: but I didn't know that you could actually work with 309 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: your emotions. And so, you know, I'm thinking, I'm in 310 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: LA and this is my life. I'm going to be 311 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 2: an actor. And then literally people started grabbing me, like 312 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: sometimes frantically, telling me I was this healer, and they 313 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 2: pulled things out of their pocket or their purse. Like 314 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: one lady had a cassette tape she'd had a reading 315 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: from some psychic in New York City, and she goes, 316 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: I'm supposed to I was supposed to meet you today, 317 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: and here you are. And a woman and her daughter 318 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 2: grabbed me on an airplane once and pulled me down 319 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: in the seat. They pulled out you know, like a 320 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: card and said, this guru in India had told them. 321 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, stuff that's pretty bizarre, but it happened, 322 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: you know, twenty five thirty times. Of course, my ego 323 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: was always hoping they had seen me in acting something other, 324 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: but it was always this thing about a healer. And 325 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: finally I said, okay, God, you need to send me 326 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 2: some answers. And then my phone rang and one of 327 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: my best friends in Florida told me that I needed 328 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 2: to meet this guy Tim Heath, who was a healer 329 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: in Sedona. But he's coming to LA and I said, 330 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: I must need to meet him. I don't even know 331 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: what a healer is. Anyway, he was coming to LA. 332 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: A couple of days later, I met him. I remember 333 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: as soon as I walked in to meet him, he goes, hello, brother, 334 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: we meet again. And I go what and he goes, oh, yeah, 335 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: I've known you many lifetimes. You're a healer. And I go, 336 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: what do you I don't what is it? What are 337 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: you talking about? And he goes, you taught me a 338 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 2: meditation in India. I'm going to show it to you 339 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: today and you probably don't remember it. You taught me 340 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: this two thousand some odd years ago. I mean by 341 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: that point, I was rolling my eyes and just kind 342 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: of laughing because I was like, man, these people are 343 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: nuts out here. And and he goes, he goes, You're 344 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: you know you're going to be doing this work. You've 345 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 2: been You've done it many lifetimes, and I've been with 346 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: you several of those lifetimes, which I couldn't wrap my 347 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: head around that. Anyway, he led me through a breathing session. 348 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: I mean, the funniest thing. I don't remember if I've 349 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: told this in any interviews before, but when I went 350 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 2: into the room, yeah, anyway, let me lay down on 351 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: a bait, got me started breathing the whole time. I mean, 352 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: I felt like I was in this ceremony and anyway, 353 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: it was really profound. A lot went on my body. Yeah, 354 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: I was. It was more than psychedelics. 355 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: And anyway, don't you skim through these details. I want 356 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: it all. 357 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: Well, So it was like the whole time I saw 358 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: myself on this mountain, there was smoke and wind, and 359 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 2: you know, it was this whole thing I was with 360 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 2: these elders. You know, I was fully in it. And 361 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: the biggest thing was was when I was five and 362 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: a half, my family we had lost a baby boy 363 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: who was a year and a half old, and you know, 364 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: I had always carried that my parents were really young, 365 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: and I think I this was probably part of my 366 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 2: curve but gift in that I was able to carry 367 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: a lot of the grief for the family, and I 368 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: always knew it was there. When I was doing the breathing, 369 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: I felt it and saw it leaving me like a 370 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 2: spinning tornado. I mean, it was really crazy. I even 371 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 2: had some images of my baby brother. And so a 372 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: couple of weeks after that session, well, when I finished it, 373 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: Tim and said, well, I'm going to be doing this 374 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: workshop in Sedona whatever a month later. You're welcome to come. 375 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, let me think about it. 376 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe a week later there was a 377 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 2: guy in the room with him who was supporting him, 378 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: and the person called me excuse me, and he goes, well, 379 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: how did a session? How was it? And I said, yeah, 380 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: it was great. What was that that ceremony he was 381 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 2: doing there was like wind blowing and smoke, and I mean, 382 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 2: that was like the craziest thing. And he started this 383 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: belly laugh and he goes, well, I hate to tell you, 384 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: but did you notice when you came into the room, 385 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: there was an ironing board and Tim was ironing his 386 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: shirts when you were breathing, and so he was using 387 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: like spray starch, and it was like this sh and 388 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: he was fluffing shirts and it was probably close enough 389 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: I was feeling this. They probably did burn a little 390 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: sage or something. But anyway, it was this whole crazy ceremony. 391 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 2: But in reality, I mean, he was playing some music 392 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: but broning his shirts, and I was hearing those sounds, 393 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: you know, and feeling this wind. So it allowed me 394 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: to think of some things to add into the healing 395 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: work that I do, if it's a spray or if 396 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: it is certain things I'm working with. And it also 397 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: taught me when we get, you know, out of the 398 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: logical place in our brain and we really start to 399 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: open up. I mean, he he goes, he showed me 400 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,239 Speaker 2: the breath. He goes, you'll be breathing. He called it 401 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: a two stage breath. He goes, You'll be breathing like this, 402 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: you know. So I just did exactly what he showed me, 403 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: full breaths, and within a few minutes, I felt like 404 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: I was I kept touching down. I felt like I 405 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: was levitating. It was like lightning bolts were shooting through me. 406 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: I can't say I actually had quite a lot of 407 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 2: connections to past life memories, but I don't remember India. 408 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: Although I've had a lot over the years, A lot 409 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: of psychics have come to me for me to help them, 410 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: and I've had numerous ones say, you know, you had 411 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: some significant lifetimes in India, and this one lady I 412 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 2: would be like, oh, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, and this 413 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: one lady goes, no, you should be really clear if 414 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 2: you ever go to India because you might not come back. 415 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 2: And I go, is that because it's so good or 416 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,239 Speaker 2: because it's so bad? I go, I don't know if 417 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: I want to go to India. So needless to say, 418 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: I haven't been back yet or I haven't been there. 419 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: But it pretty quickly, it you know, grabbed my attention 420 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: and there was no you know, shaking the experience. And 421 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: that's what I've learned. I think the thing people are 422 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: most hungry for is not some logical understanding about a 423 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: spiritual process. It's the experience of the spiritual process. And so, 424 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: you know, I couldn't get it out of my mind. 425 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: I went to Sedona. I said, okay, I'm coming. You know, 426 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: there was like six or seven people there. They were 427 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: giving me the royal treatment. Every time something would go on, 428 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: Tim would have me, you know, breathe, and they would 429 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: all support me. I found out, you know, a little 430 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: while after, I was the only paying person at the retreat, 431 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: so so I was basically paying for the other people 432 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: to be there. There were people friends and people he 433 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: picked up along the road. He would travel around a lot. 434 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: He always said he was a clairvoyant, mystic healer, but 435 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: that his gifts were a lot different than mine. In 436 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: that first meeting, he said, you know you're Claire audience, 437 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: and I go, what's that? He goes, well, it's a 438 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: gift of hearing. And I said okay, and he goes, well, 439 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: it's not it's very uncommon. How yours is? He goes, 440 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: it's way more refined than mine. He said, you hear 441 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: the answer to people's questions before they asked the question, 442 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: are you here into their soul with their spirit? Which 443 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: it took me a while to understand it. Even though 444 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: I knew when he said that that it was true, 445 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: I just didn't know what it was. You know. My 446 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: whole life, but it had really exploded when I moved 447 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: to La, you know, it had increased a lot. Mainly 448 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: at that moment I was dating this girl and the 449 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: relationship was kind of as apparent that it needed to end. 450 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: And I am probably in that opening with my heart 451 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: and the pain in there. Like I would experience her 452 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: dreams at night, I would hear her thoughts, you know, 453 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: and so you know, that was like it kind of 454 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: just blasted open, and it you know, and once it 455 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: blasted open, it's pretty much you know, stayed that way. 456 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: So but I was reluctant the first several years I 457 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: didn't start working. I mean, I met Tim I think 458 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: it was nineteen eighty nine, so, you know, but he 459 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: would come to La once a month and there would 460 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: be all these people who had been thinking that I 461 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: was supposed to help him, and I would just say, 462 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: you got the wrong person, but I know who you're 463 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: looking for. And I would point him to him and 464 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: then he would do this thing, you know, be at 465 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: my house. People would come over and then he would 466 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: have my man. I would introduce him to them and 467 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: he would say, why don't you get him started breathing. 468 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I got to do a quick phone call 469 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: be right back. Well he never would come back, and 470 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: he's like, I'm not he said, I'm not your teacher, 471 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: I'm the messenger. And then he very quickly would ask 472 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: me to do a healing session on him every time 473 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: he was around me. And so he had had some 474 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: traumatic stuff happened to him as a boy. So but 475 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: I didn't know. I was like, what is going on? 476 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: What does he want me to work on him? And I, 477 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 2: you know, wasn't not only wasn't trusting it, but I 478 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: didn't want to do it, you know, in the beginning. 479 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: And eventually I realized, okay, they're just they're coming, you know. 480 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: And he talked me into seeing you know, a few 481 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: people a week. He's like, just see a few people. 482 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: You won't have to if you're not working as an 483 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: actor in that time period, you know, you can you know, 484 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: pay your bills. And then yeah, he died a couple 485 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: of years after i'd met him, and and then this 486 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: herd of people kind of turned back. And so when 487 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: I finally said okay, I'll see people regularly, it turned 488 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 2: into forty people a week, and so that was you know, 489 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: long gosh, twenty six seven years ago. 490 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: Now yeah, wow, wow, it's so interesting, you know, just 491 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: like connecting to that story. And I know so so 492 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: many people listening might be in their reluctant phase right 493 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: now too, so they may, you know, have yeah, be 494 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: at the beginning stages of exploring, like how do I 495 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: work with this thing about me that I've always kind 496 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: of sensed but not really known what to do with. 497 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: And I had no one to talk about right it too, 498 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, David, you It's it's interesting. How do I 499 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: want to phrase this because I'm trying to keep it 500 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:51,239 Speaker 1: so anonymous, but your healing work has positively impacted and 501 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: affected some people that really like permeate the pillars of society, 502 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: right like you. You you work with a lot of anybody, 503 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: You work with all kinds of people, but a lot 504 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: of people that do find you are people that are 505 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: in mastery of what they are here to do and 506 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: there are some things to maybe get out of the way. 507 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: So I personally know that your healing spiritual work has 508 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: had effects on multiple Super Bowls. It's had effects on 509 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: the oscars. There have been some Oscar winners, there have 510 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: been some global best selling books, there have been a 511 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: lot of huge creative projects that have touched the heart's, 512 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: minds and souls of millions upon millions of millions of 513 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: people that were able to happen because they were also 514 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: supported by some of the deeper work that you were 515 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: doing with those chosen to impact with that kind of 516 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: You know, I'm so curious, You've seen so much, so 517 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: many different kinds. What are some common blocks or beliefs 518 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: that prevent people from accessing that depth of self love 519 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: or being able to really kind of be in participation 520 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: in co creation with what they're here to do. 521 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned also in the bio about the Creative 522 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: Healing Art Center. So you know, I've always so I've 523 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: loved sports, I love art, I love creative expression, and 524 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 2: I find that I can say to the universe, hey, 525 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 2: I like to work with some of these people or 526 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 2: these people, because for me, I always feel like I'm 527 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,959 Speaker 2: learning I have intuition. But then I can like look 528 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: at some things like the most creative people believe it 529 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 2: or not, which you probably would understand it, usually have 530 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: had some of the most traumatic lives and fortunately for them, 531 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: maybe they learn how to, you know, use their creativity 532 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 2: even just to stay alive, and oftentimes when I'm dealing 533 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: with people, whether they're a writer or an actor or 534 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: movie maker or musician, and they're not working, you know, 535 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: close to whatever, doing something destructive, I would usually just say, well, 536 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 2: what else are you been putting off? Any creative projects? 537 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 2: And if we get them back, just go in and 538 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 2: finish that. Do that. They'll be like, well, but if 539 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 2: we can get them back creating, the problems go away. 540 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: Because I always say, if you have a lot of talent, 541 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 2: if you don't use it, it's going to use you. 542 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 2: But if if and I noticed that, I mean I 543 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 2: not learned that in college with you know, the one 544 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 2: weekend the football team had the weekend off, they'd be 545 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 2: throwing the furniture out of the dorm room windows because 546 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 2: they weren't playing the game that week and using it up. 547 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 2: And so they see it, you know, kind of across 548 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: the board. You know. We'll always say with with trauma abuse, 549 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 2: you know, if you I mean, it's a little tricky, 550 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 2: I'll try to word it the right way. But if 551 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: you stay in a place of you know, being victimized 552 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 2: by it and not you know, like you invest into 553 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: life not being fair and the wound, you know, usually 554 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 2: it old fester and then you probably won don't things 555 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 2: might not go so well. And you know, conversely, if 556 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: a person uses it, helps others, tells their story, chooses 557 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 2: to work through it, and that it even becomes a 558 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: gift or something that's allowed them to you know, apply themselves, 559 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 2: then it frees them up and usually is the recipe 560 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: of their success because they learned to put in the 561 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 2: work and they didn't let something stop them. So there's 562 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 2: so many ways. I honestly with you know, La Hollywood 563 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 2: all that, I feel like the universe had a very 564 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 2: specific plan that you know, put me here to think 565 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 2: I was supposed to be an actor, but then when 566 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 2: I started writing, I was like, whoa, I feel more 567 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 2: empowered and free. I don't need to wait for somebody 568 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,479 Speaker 2: else to approve or whatever. I can actually the need 569 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 2: to express the clare audience, the throat chakra. Writing took 570 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 2: care of that for me. So I haven't looked back. 571 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I've never regretted not being an 572 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 2: actor or whatever. You know. I was like, it's kind 573 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 2: of a relief in a way. You know. 574 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: So that is so highful about radio too. People always 575 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: ask it, do you miss being on TV? Or being 576 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: on the radio, and it's like I don't know how 577 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: to how to like fully convey how much I don't right, 578 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, like like no, actually not at all? 579 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 2: Right, yes, no, well I think it the refinement is 580 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 2: within the alignment of what we're here to do, and 581 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 2: when we kind of you know, usually you're in the ballpark. 582 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 2: I always a lot of people. If you've been living, 583 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 2: you know, around LA and you have this need on 584 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 2: some level to express to help to do things, then 585 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 2: you're probably gonna in some way bridge into some of 586 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 2: those abilities. Like when I do meditation recordings. Fortunately, you 587 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 2: know the people that end up recording or you know, 588 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 2: they're like way qualified beyond what I really probably need, 589 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 2: but then they want to help, and so I'm like, okay, 590 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 2: this will Yeah, I've got some I've got some ideas, 591 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 2: and so you know, again the beauty is I mean, 592 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 2: plenty of spiritual teachers would want to be connected to 593 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 2: Hollywood for that expansion, But when you're still like, I mean, 594 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 2: I just will say for me, I like prefer to 595 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 2: kind of lie under the radar a bit. 596 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: That's what I love about your archetypes so much. I 597 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: feel like I've had some of the just the greatest 598 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: people to learn from, you know, like between you and 599 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: I would also say Deepak and watching the way you 600 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: move with your gifts and your reach and you know 601 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: what you're here to do it. That's always how I felt. 602 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,439 Speaker 1: That's always how I knew I was meant to move. 603 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: I just didn't see it anywhere, and it gave me 604 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: such permission because I think especially now, and only touch 605 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: on this for a second, but I think it's relevant 606 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: because we're in such an age that is about quote 607 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: unquote visibility. Look at me, look at me, look at me, 608 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: or you know, just kind of receive this even before 609 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: it becomes something, and it's just that, you know. And 610 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: for some people that's beautiful and they are that archetype. 611 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: And for others there are other paths, you know, there 612 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: are really other ways. Yeah, to even work with one's 613 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: own charisma and magnetism. 614 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, you know, I mean, oh gosh, I 615 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 2: have Well, when September eleventh happened, it was it was 616 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 2: a few days after I had taken a group of 617 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 2: people to Sedona. So after I met Tim there, I 618 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 2: would for many many years do a retreat or too there, 619 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 2: usually every labor day, in two thousand and one. Labor 620 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 2: Day was whatever, the end of August. So we were 621 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 2: there and I would like, usually do this little ceremony 622 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 2: in a cave, and people said, you have to teach 623 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 2: us this, and I go. 624 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: Casual ceremony in a cave, casual mention. 625 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I said, okay, I will, And I was like, 626 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,720 Speaker 2: you know, because they had been asking for a long time, 627 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 2: and you know, and then September eleven events happened, and 628 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,720 Speaker 2: literally the day after it, I don't know, three thirty 629 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 2: in the morning, I get woke up. And when something's 630 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 2: really important, I audibly hear a voice. You know. I 631 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 2: tell people that also have gifts of hearing. You don't 632 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 2: want to tell everybody for sure, you know, if it's 633 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 2: around psych you know, psychiatry, or probably don't want to 634 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 2: tell people it sometimes that you hear a voice. But 635 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 2: when it's really important, you know, like that morning, I 636 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 2: audibly heard a voice. Get in the car, go to 637 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 2: the ocean, get in the water and wash away the fear. 638 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,439 Speaker 2: So I go get in the car. I was living 639 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 2: in Eagle Rock. I start heading to Santa Monica and 640 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 2: it's a no no North sent me up almost to 641 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 2: Santa Barbara, ironically kind of in the same area where 642 00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 2: I live now, and I parked, went down to the beach, 643 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 2: walked down. It kept pushing me farther down the coastline 644 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,359 Speaker 2: and it said here. I got in the water when 645 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 2: I went out and went all the way under. When 646 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 2: I raised up, I heard, it's time to start writing 647 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 2: the book. I've been told my whole life as a writer. 648 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 2: But I didn't wasn't ready, and so I kind of hesitated, 649 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 2: and I heard, if you don't start writing the book today, 650 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 2: we're taking it all away, your gift, your clients, your family. 651 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 2: I don't. I mean other times people have said is 652 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 2: the universe, I mean our God? Or is It was like, no, 653 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 2: it doesn't work that way for you. For me that day, 654 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 2: it was that imperative and I got I, you know, 655 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 2: heard it. And then when I stepped out on the 656 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 2: beach from coming out of the water is where I 657 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 2: first saw these o stones that I sometimes pick up 658 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 2: and give the people, and it said, pick these up 659 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 2: and give give them the people. Yeah, there's no help 660 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 2: them balance and heal. So yeah, I still get sent 661 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 2: back like once a year to pick up a backpack 662 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 2: or two of ocean stones and still give them to 663 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 2: people on their first session so they come to see me. 664 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,959 Speaker 2: So you know. Sometimes I mean I can think back 665 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 2: on it, you know, and you can kind of some 666 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 2: of the stories can seem a little outlandish. But I 667 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 2: don't question when I'm really receiving a strong message anymore. 668 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,439 Speaker 2: I don't say I always do it, but if it's 669 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 2: really strong and it comes around a second time, I 670 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 2: know I better start making some movement towards it. Otherwise 671 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 2: the third time it's going to be painful, you know, 672 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 2: Like the third time it might be a limb hits 673 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 2: me in the face right when I hear it or 674 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 2: feel it, or you know, I might slip up a 675 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,720 Speaker 2: step and hurt my ankle or something. So I've learned 676 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 2: when it's for me. I'm not saying it's that way 677 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 2: for everybody, but for me, and something you mentioned it 678 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,879 Speaker 2: a minute ago. I believe the people who are here 679 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 2: now and choosing to be in a role of helping 680 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 2: others its destiny. I don't think it's a mystery, you know. 681 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 2: I believe that we're in a place some mother Earth 682 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 2: at this time that's of a lot of importance. Maybe 683 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 2: not that different than a lot of other times, you know, 684 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 2: but my musician friends, I'm like, you should finish that 685 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,439 Speaker 2: album now. It needs to be out. For writers who 686 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 2: were working on. 687 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: Their books stayed on me. 688 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 2: It's like, you got to get the book done, you know, 689 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 2: because it's it's yeah calling card or it's that thing 690 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 2: that helps you know, lead people. 691 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, that helped me so much because it ooh, even 692 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: thinking about it right now, I want to cry. Yeah. 693 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: I think, like I just I ran from finishing this 694 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: book that will be available for precell in January and 695 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: a purchase in April. It's called Livinging Wisdom. More to 696 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: say on that, but you know, I ran from running it, 697 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,919 Speaker 1: from writing it for quite a while. And every time 698 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: I would come to see you, which is like usually 699 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: a few times a year, yeah, like I feel like 700 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 1: I get in hopefully when all is good and you're 701 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: not booked and busy, like once a quarter and that. 702 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: And every time I come, I would be like, so 703 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: the book and they said finish it. 704 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,359 Speaker 2: Within a couple of minutes, I would be asking, how's 705 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 2: the book coming? 706 00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it yeah, well it definitely kept honest, 707 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: it kept me clear, and you know, I think sometimes 708 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know how much just resonates with anyone listening. 709 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 1: But when you do have gifts and you do have creativity, 710 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 1: and you do know you're here for something, but there's also, 711 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 1: you know, the divine timing because I think something for myself, 712 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: I feel I've had visions about a lot of things 713 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do for more than thirty years, right, 714 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: or I have sometimes I can get deep senses of 715 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: something that's being birth, but and I'm like, is this mine? 716 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: Or is it the person next to me? Or is 717 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,879 Speaker 1: it the person I know? And so I loved how 718 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: you said, like when you're feeling a sense, sometimes it's 719 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: not always okay, so you have to rush You got 720 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 1: to get out of bed and rush out and do 721 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: it all like this, But it's like start making steps towards, 722 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,799 Speaker 1: start taking time to let yourself think more about it 723 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: or let it lead you, or creating little piles of 724 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 1: something towards something something you had shared with me. You 725 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: were like, just start making piles around your office of 726 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: like make on the floor a pile for each chapter 727 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,399 Speaker 1: and just start placing things in each thing and then 728 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,839 Speaker 1: come back to it and wrap yourself your mind around 729 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: how you might get this on paper, or because I 730 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 1: think that's the thing, and that's it's all in us anyway, 731 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: right It like a lot of times our work is 732 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: how do you clear enough space to get it out 733 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: or how do you create the systems that are necessary 734 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: for you to get it out of you? 735 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,800 Speaker 2: Right? Well, and for most you know, sometimes the bigger 736 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 2: the risk, the bigger the resistance to trust and to 737 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 2: start it or and or birth it, you know. So 738 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 2: I mean, inevitably, I work with a lot of writers 739 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 2: and had you know, like for a while, three writers 740 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 2: groups and the evenings for years. You know, I believe that, 741 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 2: you know, again, creative expression and sharing our stories are 742 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 2: the best form of therapy that we can do for ourselves. Yeah, 743 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 2: now it causes us cause you to get clearer on 744 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 2: what you're communicating. 745 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:20,880 Speaker 1: You know, David, I'm going to just put this out there, Okay. 746 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: This is like a really important time to be alive. Yeah, 747 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,919 Speaker 1: it's a really important time to be here. It's also 748 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: really challenging, and I guess it's never not been, but 749 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: for the context of the amount of years that I've 750 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: been alive, it's an incredibly dense, challenging time. And I'm 751 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 1: just you know, you have seen so much, you feel 752 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 1: so much, you have helped so much, You influence so 753 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: much for people listening that may not that no inside 754 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: their healer, or they have a work to be birthed, 755 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,239 Speaker 1: or like myself, I had no desire for any kind 756 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: of a fame or attention. But I always knew I'd 757 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: have a fascinating life. Dare I say remarkable to me? 758 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 1: Kind of a life? Right? And so I didn't know 759 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,880 Speaker 1: what that meant or where it would fit. But I 760 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,000 Speaker 1: know so many people feel that way. And then that 761 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 1: can also feel like and what paralyzing? What do I 762 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 1: do with this? But what's my purpose? How do I 763 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 1: people that feel the call without any other stuff around it? 764 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: What should people be doing or thinking right now? Or 765 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: how can they begin to prepare themselves to step up 766 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: for their destiny? 767 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 2: Well, I always think again that we're probably in the ballpark. 768 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 2: There's you know, it's like when people start asking me 769 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,800 Speaker 2: how can I connect to past lives? I go, well, 770 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 2: usually it's you know, get history and times where you're 771 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,840 Speaker 2: where you found interesting or you're captivated by it. Start 772 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,240 Speaker 2: there and so you know, when it comes to healing 773 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 2: work and look at where you know look at where 774 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 2: you're led and what you lean into and what really 775 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 2: feels right, and probably you know, it might need to 776 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,520 Speaker 2: scare you a little bit or make you uncomfortable. I 777 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 2: don't think it's always the most comfortable thing, because to me, 778 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 2: spiritual growth and evolution is going to push us, you know, 779 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:43,799 Speaker 2: it's going to push us to ideally learn how to 780 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:49,879 Speaker 2: trust and with creative people and intuitive people and incredibly 781 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 2: psychic people. It's not do you have gifts that It's 782 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 2: not do you have a lot of intuition, it's to 783 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 2: what degree you're willing to trust, you know, because there's 784 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 2: a lot of God help them, No, not even in 785 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 2: a negative way. But maybe some of the most intuitive 786 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 2: people are homeless and live on the street and they're 787 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 2: constantly receiving. But the filtering or understanding it may not, 788 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 2: you know, always be there, but there can be really 789 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 2: open vessels. So what I like work at helping people 790 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 2: understand is you can develop your intuition. You can develop 791 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,880 Speaker 2: that exchange with it to so that you can trust 792 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,919 Speaker 2: it and trusting it. It's not in the head, it's 793 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 2: those goosebumps. It's the mini you know. For me, the 794 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,000 Speaker 2: relationship with nature or mother nature and the way she 795 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,960 Speaker 2: communicates to me constantly keeps me where I don't need 796 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 2: to think or I don't need to go into the 797 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 2: ego or mind that it's you know that my body 798 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,800 Speaker 2: will tell me so much, my connection to hummingbirds, to hawks, 799 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 2: to butterflies, to the wind, to if a candle's burning, 800 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,800 Speaker 2: how it's talking. You know, all everything is a flow 801 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,399 Speaker 2: of information. We just have to be present to it, 802 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:23,880 Speaker 2: you know. 803 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah. 804 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,800 Speaker 2: And that's what not only keeps it interesting to me, 805 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,360 Speaker 2: that's where it all happens in the moment. And you know, 806 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,440 Speaker 2: I think one of humans' biggest challenges is as everything 807 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,279 Speaker 2: speeding up. You know, so many people are out of 808 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,359 Speaker 2: present time, so therefore they suffer from anxiety. They have 809 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,759 Speaker 2: a deep feeling of there's not enough time. And so 810 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 2: for me, it's like, well, to work with time, you 811 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 2: have to be able to expand time by really expanding 812 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,240 Speaker 2: your awareness and the moment, then time slows down. 813 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, everything that you're saying is the gospel. Yeah, it's 814 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: how it happens. It's how some of the things anyone 815 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,360 Speaker 1: listening that resonates may have been feeling that seems so 816 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,879 Speaker 1: strange and different, like even that because this month we're 817 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 1: exploring rituals and remedies in the power and so, you know, 818 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,920 Speaker 1: I love the way that you were speaking to really 819 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:37,799 Speaker 1: sometimes building or experiencing a relationship with everything that's in 820 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,600 Speaker 1: front of you, gleaning the information of everything that's in 821 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,040 Speaker 1: front of you. Yeah, because there's always support for us, 822 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: and there's always messaging, and something you said earlier on 823 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,359 Speaker 1: this show, I've shared my way of wording it would 824 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,239 Speaker 1: be I had to start listening to the whispers of 825 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 1: God so I didn't have to keep getting punched in 826 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 1: the face by God. I was like, I don't want 827 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,359 Speaker 1: to catch God's fade another time. I will listen. It's 828 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:16,359 Speaker 1: a whisper and we will get it done. Deeply. Well, 829 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: it's so powerful, David, and I just really hope that 830 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,759 Speaker 1: however and whoever needs to hear what's being said, it's 831 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,799 Speaker 1: really going where it needs to go, because there is 832 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: no better time than now. 833 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, we have children, so we're 834 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 2: ideally putting in the work so that maybe you know, 835 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,919 Speaker 2: they can not just well I won't say have it easier, 836 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,879 Speaker 2: but at least have the opportunity to choose what they 837 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,760 Speaker 2: want to do and be able to you know, hopefully 838 00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 2: be having some fun in the process. And that's why 839 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,920 Speaker 2: I was saying a minute ago to me. If we 840 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,680 Speaker 2: find what we're doing interesting and we're and it's not 841 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,359 Speaker 2: costing us, it's not draining us, it's effortless. Number one, 842 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,640 Speaker 2: you're not going to age as fast. Number two, you're 843 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,520 Speaker 2: the work doesn't feel like work, it you know, it's 844 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,000 Speaker 2: there's nothing that makes human beings happier than helping other 845 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 2: human beings. 846 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:33,120 Speaker 1: God, that's so real. We're designed for service. Yeah, so 847 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 1: when you're serving, it actually is effortless. 848 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 2: Right. 849 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,720 Speaker 1: If you're serving and it feels like martyrdom, there's something 850 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,000 Speaker 1: else to investigate there. But service does have ease to it. 851 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: It is innately what you're designed to do with the 852 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,760 Speaker 1: gifts you're designed to have. 853 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well, you and I both know probably plenty 854 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:58,320 Speaker 2: of super wealthy people, not I mean almost to a person. Again, 855 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about anybody specific, but the more money 856 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 2: a lot of times people have, the bigger the fear 857 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 2: that they're going to lose it is. Whereas you know, 858 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 2: I love working with artists. Of my whole life, I've 859 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 2: loved working with artists who might tend to live hand 860 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 2: to mouth, but they're you know, living in a way 861 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,560 Speaker 2: where there's a pretty good exchange with you know, feeling 862 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,360 Speaker 2: on purpose that they're doing something that they came here 863 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 2: to do. And you know, we all have a role 864 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,560 Speaker 2: in this. And not to make it so important or 865 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,040 Speaker 2: overly serious, but to me, I do think you know, 866 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 2: with climate, with technology, with politics which we won't talk about, 867 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,760 Speaker 2: but all these things are converging, you know, in a 868 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,040 Speaker 2: time where it's all very heightened, you know, and I 869 00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,360 Speaker 2: think there's going to be good ways that you know, 870 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,760 Speaker 2: good things can come out of it. And I think 871 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 2: that it would seem that some challenging aspects are part 872 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,680 Speaker 2: of what we're in right now too, you know. So yeah, again, 873 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,040 Speaker 2: it's all what we do with it, and hopefully there's 874 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,120 Speaker 2: enough you know, intuition and positive efforts being made to 875 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,280 Speaker 2: cir convent you know, where things might be going in 876 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:27,720 Speaker 2: the wrong direction, you know. 877 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, healing old patterns and stuck energy is essential 878 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:42,200 Speaker 1: for personal growth. How can we start releasing these patterns 879 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,439 Speaker 1: even just the beginning maybe phases of the self work 880 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 1: or something a person can do in conjunction with other 881 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 1: things that they're doing to heal but maybe some daily rituals, 882 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,160 Speaker 1: remedies or practices. 883 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:02,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, again I'm a little biased about 884 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,640 Speaker 2: the effectiveness and the ease with breadth work because you know, 885 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,120 Speaker 2: I think the shortest meditation I have is a seven 886 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,160 Speaker 2: minute one, which is like running to the gym and 887 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,960 Speaker 2: doing a few push ups and chin ups and running out. 888 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 2: But again, discipline, I mean why I love working with 889 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,960 Speaker 2: you know, professional athletes is usually they got they have 890 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 2: discipline down better than anybody else just about. And so like, 891 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,920 Speaker 2: you know, a ritual, a discipline, something that you commit 892 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 2: to doing that kind of resets you or clears you 893 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,080 Speaker 2: or get you in a place where you can go 894 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:48,000 Speaker 2: on about being conscious throughout your day. People will oftentimes 895 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,760 Speaker 2: say when should I do the meditation. I'm like, well, 896 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,520 Speaker 2: if it's me, you know, I would just say, first 897 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,320 Speaker 2: thing in the morning is then you're not waiting till 898 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,680 Speaker 2: later in the day. But and I don't always say 899 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,520 Speaker 2: it has to be breathwork. Like if a person prays 900 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:10,120 Speaker 2: and they feel this alignment with energy and spirit, I'm 901 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 2: fine with whatever people choose to do. You know that 902 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 2: it has some effect on them, you know, Art, I mean, 903 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:24,480 Speaker 2: to me, Art, there's nothing better than you know, writing 904 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,479 Speaker 2: or playing some music or dancing or whatever you do 905 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 2: that feels like it clears you, puts you in a 906 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 2: space of alignment and allows you to go on about 907 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,160 Speaker 2: what's next in the day. So and you know, for 908 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 2: the nocturnal people who feel like they have to do 909 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 2: things in the evening, I don't. I'm fine with that too. 910 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,800 Speaker 2: So I just know I'm an early morning person, so 911 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:56,280 Speaker 2: usually I'm doing things first thing, you know. But there's 912 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 2: no I don't make rules to me. I mean I 913 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,240 Speaker 2: attract all the rebels and all that anyway, So I 914 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 2: feel like that's a self choice of you know, I 915 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,960 Speaker 2: don't know. I never tell people. 916 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: I act all the rebels because I know I'm stubborn. 917 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,760 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Well, when I'm teaching, I'm like, look, guys, 918 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,400 Speaker 2: I'm sharing thirty years of experience, but I'm not telling 919 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,080 Speaker 2: you you have to do anything a certain way. 920 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. 921 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:33,280 Speaker 2: And I build into that. And the next new facet 922 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,040 Speaker 2: of what I'm going to be bringing is the longevity 923 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:42,040 Speaker 2: of how to be doing work with these deeper relationships 924 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,800 Speaker 2: where you aren't using up life force, where you can 925 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:52,000 Speaker 2: really be restored and be regenerating energy. You know, a 926 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,600 Speaker 2: lot of it's some indigenous practices. I work with a 927 01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 2: lot of Indigenous people, but it's not all from that. 928 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,840 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot to again, work that doesn't 929 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:08,320 Speaker 2: feel like work. I always say, ideally, if I'm at 930 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,600 Speaker 2: the end of the day feel better than when I 931 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 2: started the day, I know I've been working in a 932 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,080 Speaker 2: good way. 933 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:20,200 Speaker 1: So there's a few things that I recommend for those 934 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,000 Speaker 1: that are connecting and just really resonating. If this feels 935 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,920 Speaker 1: something sparked inside, definitely recommend David's book The Reluctant Healer 936 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 1: and also Healing, which are going to be linked, and 937 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:39,680 Speaker 1: visit David Spotify. Do some breath work, do some breath work, 938 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,160 Speaker 1: do some meditation, see how this feels in your body, 939 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,320 Speaker 1: Notice how this feels in your body, and then from there, 940 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,160 Speaker 1: of course you can David is linked below this episode 941 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 1: so you can connect with his website where redes sessions 942 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:59,600 Speaker 1: and group trainings and really really really incredible, deep, powerful 943 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:07,240 Speaker 1: program for those who are ready. So yeah, there is 944 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,560 Speaker 1: no more important time than now. If you feel the 945 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,320 Speaker 1: call and if you feel the pull David. At the 946 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,400 Speaker 1: end of every episode, I like to offer for the 947 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 1: guests that they can provide one practice that everyone that 948 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,800 Speaker 1: listened can utilize to integrate what they heard in this episode. 949 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,840 Speaker 1: So sometimes that is a breath or a journal inquiry 950 01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,479 Speaker 1: or a little you know, amalgamation of something someone does. 951 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,480 Speaker 1: But we call this soul work. And if you'd have 952 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,520 Speaker 1: a piece you'd like to share that everyone can sink 953 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:39,520 Speaker 1: their teeth into. 954 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,600 Speaker 2: Gosh, may bite my lip on that. 955 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:44,080 Speaker 1: Well. 956 01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 2: The first thought was when you mentioned the Spotify meditations 957 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,200 Speaker 2: that people can access, and there's one that's about gratitude, 958 01:04:54,520 --> 01:05:00,720 Speaker 2: and to me, you know, it's in a recording that 959 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,480 Speaker 2: called Shortcuts to Healing, and the first one is creative expression. 960 01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,640 Speaker 2: The second one is gratitude. So if all else fails 961 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,560 Speaker 2: and you know, whatever you're trying isn't working, like right 962 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,560 Speaker 2: now in this moment, you know, if you feel yourself 963 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,720 Speaker 2: in a spiral or you're getting anxious, if you just 964 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,880 Speaker 2: go to gratitude, and then if you want to amp 965 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,560 Speaker 2: it up a little more, I just say say, you know, 966 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,520 Speaker 2: gratitude out loud. I love my love the pool, love 967 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 2: these trees, the way they're just framing the property, or 968 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,240 Speaker 2: you know, on and on but saying and then if 969 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,400 Speaker 2: you even want to amp it up more, you even 970 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,200 Speaker 2: raise your voice a little louder so that the universe 971 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 2: can hear. And there's something about you know, as cliche 972 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,080 Speaker 2: as it can seem, about a gratitude practice, it works, 973 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:57,800 Speaker 2: you know, then to change yourself in the moment again. 974 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:03,160 Speaker 2: To me, gratitude is a path to our spirit. So 975 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,360 Speaker 2: that would be my little nugget. 976 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, David, Thank you so much for coming on 977 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,440 Speaker 1: this show. Finally, you're's making so grateful to have you here, 978 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,640 Speaker 1: so grateful for your work and so grateful for everything 979 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:19,480 Speaker 1: that you imparted. 980 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,120 Speaker 2: Great, thank you. I really enjoyed it. 981 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,840 Speaker 1: We will be back next week. Do your soul work. 982 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,840 Speaker 1: It takes some nicety breaths and really open up. How 983 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:39,960 Speaker 1: does God want to use you right now? Thank you 984 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:50,960 Speaker 1: for listening. Now must stay. 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