1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff three 2 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: and Out podcast. Hopefully everyone is having a good week 3 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: in July, enjoying life. Football right around the corner, and 4 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: that's what we will do. We'll talk some running backs. 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: They are still not very happy. Got a group text 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: going as a group screaming at everyone that will listen 7 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: except the only people that matter gyms and coaches don't 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: really care. We will talk about hard knocks. The Jets 9 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: do not want to show anyone getting cut. They think 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: it's inhumane. As well as what else. Oh Fields said 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: he'll throw four thousand yards and we will dive into 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: that some football talk today because you know it's like 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: starts smelling it outside. Well, you can't hear it because 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: it's one hundred and seventy five degrees in Arizona, but 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: if you live in an area that grass clippings right 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: around the corner. So Andy Reid already talking to training camp. 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Some of the rookies reporting a lot of vets. 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Okay, 52 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: The running back saga goes on and on and on. 53 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley was on a podcast the other day and 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: basically went on a tangent of his options are limited, 55 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: that there's nothing he can do besides basically saying few 56 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: to the giants, few to the teammates, and just not 57 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: show up cause a scene, be a bad teammate. And 58 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: he prefaced it by saying, that's not what I plan 59 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: on doing. That's not who I am. And if you 60 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: put yourself in issues, I get, you know, looking around 61 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: the league, watching high end players get paid at other 62 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: positions and it be relatively seamless. Right wide receivers tackles 63 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: defensive linemen, corners, but he plays running back. And Collins 64 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: talked about this in nauseum this week, this supply and 65 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: demand that this is basic economics. I just really can't 66 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: wrap my head around anyone who can't figure this out. 67 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: And for the most part, I think most people that 68 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: listen to this podcast understand it. Right. We have a 69 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: we have a smart group of people here that get 70 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: the way. It's just like sports in general. Right Basketball 71 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: centers are very that they don't get valued like they 72 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: did when I was a kid in baseball all over 73 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: the sport. Billy Bean started this years ago with the 74 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: platoon player right to try to find value. One of 75 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: the biggest topics in America right now are mortgage rates 76 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: well over seven percent. Well, if you have a mortgage 77 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: rate at three percent, what do they call it? Golden handcuffs? 78 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: You don't want to sell your house because there's a 79 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: dramatic difference of paying for the same house at three 80 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: percent then seven percent of what it does to your payment. 81 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: Our whole life revolves around value when it comes to business. 82 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: Anyone listening to this. In any industry, everything you do 83 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: in terms of acquisitions, in terms of you know, business, 84 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: in terms of people that you try to land is 85 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: because of the value they bring you, which is usually positive. 86 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: And running backs have proven time and time again that 87 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: you can find replacements. If you could not, if they 88 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: were tougher to replace, they would be paid more. It's 89 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: why when you get a sweet offensive tackle or pass 90 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: rusher or corner, they usually are paid a premium that 91 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: they are very very difficult to replace, and that equals 92 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: the value. It just isn't that complicated. Zach Martin, who 93 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: the Cowboys All Pro guard a little older now but 94 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: has a much longer resume than any of the Really 95 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: it's the two guys, Jacobs and Saquon Barkley. He's a 96 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: six time All Pro. I mean, he's putting together like 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame resume. And I was thinking about 98 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: this yesterday. He's scheduled, he thinks he's underpaid, wants more money. 99 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: Don't blame him now. The difference is if you turn 100 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: on television, it's not going to be the same energy 101 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: because he's an offensive lineman, an interior offensive lineman, where 102 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: the running backs much more famous, much bigger headlines. People 103 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: just know their fantasy football right, They're just they're big 104 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: stars in college, they're just headline players. I mean, take 105 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: one Barkley Penn State, Josh Jacobs Alabama, Zack Martin, who's 106 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: a Notre Dame guy, but he plays guard. Right, most 107 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: people could not point him out of a lineup. Besides 108 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: that he's a really big individual. You would not know 109 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: what he looked like if he passed you on the street. 110 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: Besides like, that's an enormous human being. And I was 111 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: thinking about what is more difficult playing guard or playing 112 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: running back? Because playing guard right now, every single week 113 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: you're going up against a fifteen to twenty million dollar player. 114 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: It's like who you're blocking this week? Up Aaron Donald? 115 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: Who got next week? The Forest Buckner? Who's after that? 116 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox? It never ends. I've been saying this for 117 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: a while. The amount of high end in interior offensive 118 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: lineman over the last seven eight years relative to the 119 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: high end interior pass rushers has not been equal. There 120 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: have been way more talent at defensive tackle coming in 121 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: over the last half decade than coming in at Garden Center. 122 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: Yet every single game, if I'm Zach Martin or any 123 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: center or any guard in the league. I have to 124 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: obviously run block these players. But the most important thing 125 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: we do now in the sport in terms of the 126 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: value of what we pay for if I'm a team, 127 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: is the passing game. Right. I have to protect the quarterback, 128 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: the highest paid player in the league. I have to 129 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: block one of the highest paid positions in the league, 130 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: the defensive tackle, and I have to keep I have 131 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: to make sure that that guy does not hit my 132 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: most important asset. It gets back to like the Bill 133 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: waltshs thing, right, he realized that the offensive tackle was, 134 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, going up against LT back in the eighties, 135 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: trying to protect Joe Montana, the most important player in 136 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: the league. And the reason guards like running backs sometimes 137 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: are viewed closer to widgets than some of these other 138 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: positions because I can find guards, centers, and running backs 139 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: on the third day of the draft, and fine, guys, 140 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: if you look all over the league, you'll find seventh rounders, 141 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents starting for teams at garden center. If 142 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: the only time I could get a garden center was 143 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: in the first couple rounds and potentially find a high 144 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: end player, they would be valued much higher. Right, It's 145 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: why most of the offensive tackles. When you look at 146 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: let's just say the last twenty years, they get drafted 147 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: consistently higher than guards and centers. And the running back position, 148 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: which historically used to get drafted really high, now it's 149 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: very hit or miss, and these players could complain all 150 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: day long on social media. Matt Miller, who used to 151 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: work at Bleacher Report now the stuff at ESPN, just 152 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: had a tweet about basically the philosophy of draft a 153 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: running back, ride them Bill's wheels fall off, and then 154 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: draft another running back and basically every running back in 155 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: the NFL quote tweeted that was talking a bunch of 156 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: shit to me, that's very misplaced energy. You can get 157 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: mad at people in the media or fans or whoever 158 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: that you don't think value you. Those people are ultimately irrelevant. 159 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: They do not determine how much money you make. The 160 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: people that determine that are the general managers and the 161 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: coaches that coach you and you essentially work for. They're 162 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: the ones who have that view. Those are the people 163 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: where you should put your energy toward. But you won't. 164 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: You'll just scream at the media who doesn't care about 165 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: you and thinks you're replaceable, where the people that actually 166 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: have the power to replace you slash pay you. They 167 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: view you that way. Austin Eckler, who is a really 168 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: really good player, and beside being a really good player, 169 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: is an incredible story. Right, guy comes out of nowhere, 170 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: becomes like leading the league in touchdowns for a couple 171 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: of years or close to it, and is very mad 172 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: that he doesn't make more money that second and third 173 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: wide receivers on other teams make more than him. Well, yeah, 174 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: he can get mad all he wants. The Chargers literally said, 175 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: go see if you can find a trade. They couldn't 176 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: do it, So the entire league, the market is spoken. 177 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: They don't think you are trade worthy given that I 178 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: have to trade a valued pick and then pay you. 179 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: Where When Khalil Mack was available, it's like, what do 180 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: you want two first round picks? We'll give him ninety 181 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed. Remember when Jalen Ramsey wasn't available two 182 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: first round picks, here's seventy five million dollars. Tyreek Hill available, 183 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: here's first and a second, and a third and a fourth, 184 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: and here's eighty million dollars. Right, the market speaks in sports, 185 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: when a guy is available, what will people pay slash 186 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: trade for them? And running backs like guards and centers, 187 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: and I will defend Zach Martin. He definitely deserves a raise, 188 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: and to me, he's a better player. I would rather 189 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: have Zach Martin on my team than Saquon Barkley strictly 190 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: because I could find it's much easier for me to 191 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: find another running back than it is even a Hall 192 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: of Fame guard. Now, if I wanted to make the 193 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: argument againt Zach Martin, I'd go, well, I probably can't 194 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: find a Hall of Fame guard, but I can find 195 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: a random guard that could. Most people notice the difference. 196 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Is there a wide enough gap that my team falls apart? 197 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: Probably not, But the difference between Zach Martin and a 198 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: replaceable guard at quarterback the equivalent of Patrick Mahomes or 199 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, is a mile wide. And I've seen a 200 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: first hand with the forty nine ers, they have gone 201 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: through running backs and running backs and running backs. That's 202 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: why I wasn't a big fan at first of the 203 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey trade. I'm like, wait, you're trading all that 204 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: for a running back? Then when I look back, he's 205 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: under a cost controlled contract, I will have different views, 206 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: and I think he's a remarkable player. He's better than 207 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley right. Part of being a complete running back. 208 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: To me, Josh Jacobs is a better player in Saquon 209 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: Barkley I would rather have next year in twenty twenty three, 210 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: who would you want at your running back? I would 211 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: take Jacob's over Saquon. I think he's a more complete player. 212 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: I just think he's a better player. And again I'm 213 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: nitpicking high end guys like Saquon's really good. But when 214 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: Saquon this notion, and I'm going to go back to this, 215 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: that he's just royally getting screwed, Some guys do get 216 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: screwed when you've made right when you're a six round 217 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: pick and you become a starter, and you become a 218 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: pro bowler and you're making eight hundred grand, the gap 219 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: between what you're actually worth, depending on the position, ten 220 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty million dollars and what you're making is large, right, 221 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: it's ten fifteen twenty x. But Saquon the difference of 222 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: what he's actually making right now ten million dollars at 223 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: the end of this year, he would have average eight 224 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: million dollars a season at his you know, over a 225 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: six year career, and what you know, maybe he's a 226 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: eleven million dollar player. The gap isn't that wide, right, 227 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this right now and you're making 228 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: two hundred grand and you think whatever you're doing for 229 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: your company, you think you're a little underpaid, You're like, 230 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, I should be making two fifty. That GAP's 231 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: not that wide. But if you're listening right now and 232 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: you go, God, I'm making my company millions and I'm 233 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: making one hundred grand, should I be making eight hundred grand? 234 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: Like that's a wide gap, then we could have a 235 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: serious conversation. You might be getting screwed. But to me, 236 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley not getting screwed is does he have some 237 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: argument he's worth a little bit more? Sure the value 238 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: to his team, what he means to his franchise. Yeah, 239 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: but the gap, what are we talking? Fifteen percent, ten percent, 240 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: twenty percent? It's not that wide. He's acting like he's 241 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: making three hundred thousand dollars and he's worth seventeen. But 242 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: that's not really the case. Here. He's been and continues 243 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: to be paid a premium. But speaking of these gms 244 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: and coaches, and this is where these the running back 245 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: group that's now I guess based on the Internet, on 246 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: this group text altogether, I don't really know what they 247 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: plan on accomplishing here, because it feels like they're gonna 248 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: end up just yelling on social media kind of at 249 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: fans and at the media instead of yelling at the 250 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: people that are in control. Vic Tafer, who has covered 251 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: the Raiders for as long as I've ever been around him, 252 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: a known Vic knows the shit. He's blocked in, knows 253 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: people not just in the league, but he's dialed in 254 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: with the Raiders. And there were reports that like it 255 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: actually was close, and Josh Jacobs was in the parking 256 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: lot on the franchise deadline day. I guess that would 257 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: have been Monday, that if a deal got done, he 258 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: would have ran inside and signed the contract. And Taper 259 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: wrote that they were never very close. And I remember 260 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: getting an argument a couple of years ago. I had 261 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: tweeted something about a player that his contract was really 262 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: shitty and he was worth a lot more, and the 263 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: agent got very mad at me, and we kind of 264 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: tech when I say I know the agent like I 265 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: don't even think I've ever met him in person, but 266 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: we've texted before and we got a phone call. We 267 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: had a long conversation. We just kind of agreed to disagree, 268 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: but it was it was cordial or whatever, and he 269 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: the one thing he did explain to me, which I 270 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: guess I knew. But it makes sense whenever you are 271 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: let's say, like Nick Bosa, for example, when I'm negotiating 272 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: my contract, that fifth year option that if I'm going 273 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: to negotiate after my fourth year, or you know, even 274 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: after my third year, that fifth year option is a 275 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: set number. So if I'm I guess Nick is done 276 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: with this fourth year, so his fifth year. Listen, I 277 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: don't have the number off the top of my head. 278 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: Let's just say it's twenty million dollars. That's what Nick 279 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: Bosa's contract would be this year. That's guaranteed. Right. Usually 280 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: when I'm negotiating, if I'm his agent, that fifth year 281 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: and then that first year franchise tag like that is 282 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: like the starting point of guaranteed money for a lot 283 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: of players, right, So if that number is twenty and 284 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: twenty five, we're like forty five to fifty. That's there's 285 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: non negotiable even anything close over that. Right, So we 286 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: are starting probably sixty seventy million dollars. BOSA is obviously 287 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: way higher. But so when you get a guy like 288 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs who is being franchised tagged at ten million dollars, 289 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: where when I'm negotiating on his behalf as an agent, 290 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: we're not starting at the guaranteed number around ten million dollars. 291 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: We're actually starting it closer to twenty five because I go, well, 292 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: your franchise at tagging me this year. I know if 293 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: I have another year like I just had, you'll franchise 294 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: tag me again. That number is at twenty two to 295 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: twenty three million dollars. So and Vic Tafer wrote that 296 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: they weren't even remotely close to that number. And Josh Jacobs, 297 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: if you watched him last season, now you could argue 298 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: for a guy that had this remarkable year, it didn't 299 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: necessarily just because of running back. Let's say runs for 300 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: two thousand yards or has twenty touchdowns. It doesn't guarantee 301 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: you ten wins. It doesn't actually guarantee you anything yet. 302 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: And this is the argument on quarterbacks. Right, if a quarterback, 303 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: if Derek Carr would have the equivalent of Josh Jacobs's season, 304 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: the Raiders would have been in the playoffs, right. And 305 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: this this is the back and forth and the hamster 306 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: wheel that these running backs fight a little bit with. 307 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: Zach Martin too, who again all level player, one of 308 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: the great Cowboys offensive lineman ever, an absolute war daddy, badass, 309 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: A dude. You want to go to war with a 310 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: guy you want in the trenches with you. I would say, 311 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: Zach Martin. If you just said, hey, starting a team, 312 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: would you rather have Josh Jacobs all at twenty two 313 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: years old, sake one Barkley or Zach Martin, I'd be like, well, 314 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: I'll think Zach Martin and then I'll find another running back, right, 315 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: Give me Zach Martin and the tenth best running back, 316 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: That's what I'd want. And this is just the conversation 317 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: that goes on with these guys, and I think the 318 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: problem is where their animosity and their negativity toward just 319 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: the situation comes. Because they see every other player at 320 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: these other positions, it'd be pretty seamless. And that's never 321 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: going to be the case. And I got news for you, 322 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: It's only going to get worse. Like this is not 323 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: going to slow down. But it starts with the gms 324 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: and the coaches. So when I see these players tweet, 325 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: we're viewed as widgets. Yet they view you as widgets. 326 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: They do. The guys in control, not even the owners 327 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: think that way because they're gms and coaches. Tell them 328 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: that I've been in these meetings. I've seen it. That's 329 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: the way they're talking about you. Guys. That's where you 330 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: need to direct your energy. Anything on social media to 331 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: people that have no decision making power is a waste 332 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: of your time. Speaking of waste of time, Hard Knocks 333 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: it came out and I've been saying forever it's over, 334 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: and people have argued Middlecof, you're talking about the Quarterback series. Yeah, 335 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: the Netflix series is much more enjoyable to me than 336 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks because they know what I'm getting into. I'm 337 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: just watching the headliners, the quarterbacks. I'm not thinking it's 338 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: going to be anything more than that. Right, Hard Knocks 339 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: pretends to be reality show inside, well, that's no longer 340 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: the case, and the Jets recently came out and said 341 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: I saw this headline within the last twenty four hours 342 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: that they think it's inhumane to show a player getting 343 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: cut and part of what made Hard Knocks very very 344 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: special back when I was a kid. And however old 345 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: you are, like when it was really in its prime 346 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: in the two thousands, with how raw and real it 347 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: was from the coaches meetings, you know, that big boardroom 348 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: table with all the coaches and the executives going through players. 349 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: You're like, God, this is incredible, right, and then the 350 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: power of watching players be released because the reality is 351 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: when you have to cut down a roster from ninety 352 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: or eighty to fifty three, you got to fire a 353 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: lot of people. And I've had first hand experience when 354 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: you work in the NFL as the lowest level guy 355 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: on a scouting staff. You take those guys at the airport, 356 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: you pick up their playbook or iPad. I've done it. 357 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: It's a bizarre situation, right, but it is the reality 358 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: of the sport. Right. It'd be like, you know, we 359 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: don't like showing our coaches get fired. Well, coaches get 360 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: fired every single year. It's the notion like Hard knocks 361 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: inhumane football is not like if I just went into 362 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: your insurance company, you're you know, your district manager isn't 363 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: calling you a fucking moron when you screw up a 364 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: phone call. And I don't mean he might tell you 365 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: that like one on one, but he's not screaming it 366 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: to the entire office where everyone at every cubicle can 367 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: hear it, like happens in football. The meeting room in 368 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: football with offense, defensive, line, wide receivers, whatever, is unlike 369 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: any situation in any workplace. Right, So the notion in humane. 370 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: I do understand where the Jets are coming from. With 371 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: social media, you know, a kid cries. It's a devastating feeling, 372 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: but it is the reality of the sport. Right. I've 373 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: been fired, People get fired, people get laid off. Welcome 374 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: to society, welcome to capitalism. It is what it is 375 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: now from their perspective, totally get it. But team's perspective 376 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: and what we want the fans, the consumers that newsflash, 377 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: we pay for everything with our time, that are no 378 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: longer aligned. And it's why I think this show. I 379 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: get where the Jets are coming from. I wouldn't want 380 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: to show players get cut either. I wouldn't want to 381 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: show the personnel meetings where I'm talking shit about our 382 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: third round pick because he can't, you know, set the edge, 383 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: because he's got turned out he's got slow feet, or 384 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: he can't catch, or he can't cover or whatever. But 385 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: that's how people talk. Like. I've been in coaches meetings 386 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: for six years as a young professional. It's raw and 387 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: reel in there. It ain't for everybody. And listen, every 388 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: coach handles it a little different. I was around Pat Hill, 389 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, much more vulgar than vulgar than let's say 390 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: Andy Reid. But the conversations, regardless what words are used, 391 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: are being had. You either can get it done or 392 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: you can't. That's it's the nature of the beast and 393 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: this and people get cut left and right. You're going 394 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: to turn on. I would say the first couple weeks 395 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: of training camp, you were going to have players once 396 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: pads come on, they have no business in the NFL. 397 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: That are gonna be released. Happens every single year. I've 398 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: done it within a couple of days, Like he's gonna 399 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: get someone injured because it's just too much, and like 400 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: it's I don't know what to say beside the show 401 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: has to be done. We have to just wave the 402 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: white flag. When you're getting to the point that it's inhumane, 403 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: it's what a what a twenty twenty three headline too inhumane. 404 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, just it's not a great look to say. Yes, 405 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: we're a little uncomfortable doing this, say inhumane. I mean, 406 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. What did joke? I 407 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: just let's just move on. It's okay. Everything comes to 408 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: an end. Seinfeld ended, Friends, ended, Sopranos ended, Succession, ended 409 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: show's end, and we just move on and figure it out. 410 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: The NFL is lucky. They don't need hard knocks. They 411 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: have enough. You know, the games, all the publicity, all 412 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: the podcasts, we all talk about it, we all play 413 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: fantasy football. It just and its course. It's been an 414 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: awesome run. Just say goodbye. And last, but not least, 415 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: Colin asked me a couple of weeks ago if I 416 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: thought Justin Fields was the long term quarterback for the Bears, 417 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: and my answer was simple, history would show us that 418 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: it is probably not going to work out because more 419 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: often than not, like most guys do not become top 420 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks, right, most guys are holding on for dear life. 421 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: And then the fringe guys, right like the Jimmy Garoppolo types, 422 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: are very very dependent on the organization, on the coach, 423 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: and on the talent. Around, most guys just turn out 424 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: to be not good enough, right, And I think if 425 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: you watch that quarterback series, that's Marcus Mariota. Great guy, 426 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: good player, obviously awesome player in college, but he's just flawed. 427 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: He's not accurate enough. I remember, And I always struggle 428 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: with this because, like, I respect this guy a lot, 429 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: and I think he knows college football and he's dialed in. 430 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: But I think sometimes when you're too close to it. 431 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: And I remember interviewing Joel Klatt back when Mariota was 432 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: coming out, or maybe it was new Heizel, like one 433 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: of the college football guys, and they were comparing Mariota 434 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: to Steve Young, And I think when you just watch 435 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of college football and you're just not as 436 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: dialed in on Sunday, right, Like part of my job 437 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: is I get to do both. I watch a ton 438 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: of college football and I watch a ton of NFL. 439 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: It's like the best scouts in the league have to 440 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: know the league and they have to know college football. 441 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: And I remember Mariota in college it was like I 442 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: was just not accurate enough. His accuracy it was just 443 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't good relative to like comparing him to Steve young, 444 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: and to me, that's been the downfall because athleticism. I 445 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: know he's been injured a little bit, but he's just 446 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: not a good enough quarterback to be a high end starter, 447 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: and it's why he's kind of been a bridge guy and 448 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: now he's essentially a backup to me justin fields. I 449 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: would just say history shows us that most guys do 450 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: not become really good, and they've clearly done a lot 451 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: to surround him with better players the trade they made 452 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: for DJ Moore. But I think a lot of people, 453 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: especially Bears fans, think like the Dj Moore was specifically 454 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: justin fields. To me, it was just a value move, 455 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: and Ryan Poles has talked about this. They wanted to 456 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: get one of the Panthers' three best players in this trade, 457 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: and they weren't budging with the they dj Moore was 458 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: the third guy they wanted. They wanted Burns and they 459 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: wanted Derek Brown and those were non negotiables, so they 460 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: took DJ Moore. It wasn't like we had to get 461 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: DJ Moore to get him. No, they wanted one of 462 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 1: the sweet players because as an organization, they wanted to 463 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: get a guy under contract, a young, ascending player, right, 464 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: that would basically act as a sweet draft pick. But 465 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: you already know the guy's good. So everyone's acting like 466 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: they did this for justin fields. No, I mean partly, 467 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: but they were just They would have much rather had 468 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: the defensive lineman Ryan Poles and eber Flus did not 469 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: draft this guy. And he said on a CBS podcast 470 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: that I'm going to throw for four thousand yards. History 471 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: would show you that no quarterback in Chicago Bear's history, 472 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: in the franchise history, has ever thrown for four thousand yards. Now, 473 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: in fairness, it's not really a quarterback organization, right. This 474 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: is not Farvan Rogers or Young in Montana, and you 475 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: know this is not Mahomes. They haven't had great quarterbacks. 476 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: But still it's like, bro, let's just walk before we run. Well, 477 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: to me, there's something it's hard, right. I have no 478 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: problem as like, once you start really having success, every 479 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: once in a while throwing out some cocky lines like Mahomes, 480 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: a Brady, a Manning, even Josh Allen or Burrow, like 481 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: they've got a little resume. Now, to me, when you 482 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: haven't proven anything in pro sports, I'd be very careful 483 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: about just like putting things in stone because it's just 484 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: so difficult. And I remember when Ryan Pole said a 485 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: couple of years ago when he got hired, maybe it 486 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: was long, however long he's been on the job now 487 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: a year. Maybe it was a year and a half ago. 488 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: Know that he basically guaranteed, like we're going to own 489 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: the AFC North, or excuse me, the NFC North's gonna 490 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna come through Chicago. It's like, I just don't 491 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: love those comments before you've proven anything, just because of 492 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: how difficult this sport is. It is so hard to 493 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: win there. There was a clip that went viral the 494 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: other day of Andy Reid and they asked him what 495 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: he did on his vacation. For the last like thirty days, 496 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: the entire NFL has been off. Andy's got a beach 497 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: house southern California. I don't know exactly what he did 498 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: for his vacation, but most guys. I saw a picture 499 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: of Lane Kiffin today at SEC Media Days. Dude's been 500 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: at the beach every day boozing. It's just a very 501 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: very yo. McVeigh was in the Amalfi Coast with his 502 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: new wife, pregnant wife. Congratulation Sean, and it's just a 503 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: time to kind of relax. You know what Andy said, 504 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: take my work with me, and every day I watch 505 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: minimum a couple hours worth of stuff. Because some people 506 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: read novels, I watch plays. These guys, the people you're 507 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: battling against, are and he knows because he worked in 508 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: Kansas City. But I'm just using You could use any coach. 509 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: These guys are so driven and addicted to the sport, 510 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: from Howie to Kyle to you name it. It is 511 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: so hard you could be really good and fail. To me, 512 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: it's the cool part about like pro sports or Wall 513 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: Street or any super super competitive business. Just because you 514 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: don't have success does not mean you're bad at your job, 515 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: does not mean that at all. It's just hard. There's 516 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: no guarantee. I mean, for twenty years Andy Reid couldn't 517 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. You think he was working any 518 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: less hard. You think he wasn't trying as much as 519 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: he tries now right? You think Belichick is trying any 520 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: less hard this last six months than he did in 521 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: some of the great Patriots teams. No, or say he'd 522 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: been or any of these guys. The work I thic 523 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: never changed. These guys are fucking machines and like Fields, 524 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: I just hum of the sense of listen, I'm gonna 525 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: do everything humanly possible to make us make sure we're 526 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: not drafting number one again. Number one. You had the 527 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: worst record in the NFL. Think about the Houston Texans 528 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: last year. We're a laughing stock. You guys drafted ahead 529 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: of them. Now ultimately didn't because you traded back. But 530 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: I guess we're the worst team in the league. Let's 531 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: just I know you come from Ohio State and Georgia 532 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: and you've seen success, but just walk before we run. 533 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: And I'm not very bullish on this, and I like 534 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: Justin Field's coming out. I said over and over after 535 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, I would have taken him too, because I'm 536 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: a big believer in I'm paying my coach ten fifteen 537 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: million dollars muld bad dude, the arm strength, the athleticism, 538 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: figure it out. When I hear you know, the processing 539 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: and stuff, It's like, isn't it on you to coach 540 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: them like you're the teacher, and that there are elements 541 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: of like not everyone is going to be Peyton Manning, 542 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: but clearly guys can figure it out, right, And I 543 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: just I thought, at worst, like he could be some 544 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: version of I don't know, like Cam meets like Jay 545 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: Cutler or something, and I don't know. I'm just I'm 546 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: not very bullish on this situation and doesn't mean I'm right. 547 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people tell me Titans fans 548 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: not happy with my thoughts that they have no chance 549 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. Let me tell you this, Titans fans, 550 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: I think your coach is a star. I listened to 551 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: Vrabel with the Busting with the Boys. Guys love that guy, 552 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel's demand. But I'm also realistic about just the 553 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: situation of compare yourself to the team in your division. 554 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: If you told me that a random coach and they 555 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: still had Trevor Lawrence, I wouldn't be as high as 556 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: than the Jacks. But not only do they have Trevor Lawrence, 557 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: who clearly by the end of last year showed to 558 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: me everything we thought he might be able to become 559 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: and eventually a top five quarterback. But he's a top 560 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: five I mean he has a Super Bowl winning coach 561 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: who also is the play caller, So he has a 562 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: guy who knows what he's doing, who also happens to 563 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: be a former quarterback. I'm betting on the Jacks, not 564 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: necessarily betting against Vrabel. I think when the dust settles, 565 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: you'll look up in the Titans. I don't think they're 566 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: gonna suck. They'll be eight to nine. But that's like 567 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: the worst place to ever be. It's like what happened 568 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: with Dame Lillard's career a lot of the years, Like 569 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: you're just kind of battling for like a seventh eighth seed, 570 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: which is cool. There's something about being competitive, and I'm 571 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: all for being competitive. I'm not a big fan of 572 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: tanking until you get to the end of the season 573 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: there's kind of nothing to play for and then winning 574 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: games in December. I'm not into tanking and like in October. 575 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: But I'm also you got to be realistic with where 576 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: the franchise sits. And Brabel even talked about that on 577 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: the podcast where he went, you know, that's not really 578 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: the way this league works. You never know, things change 579 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: so fast, and it's true, but yeah, I just not 580 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: that high on the Bears. Kay, Let's do a little 581 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: middle coop mailback at John. Middlecop is the Instagram. Fire 582 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: in those dms and hit me with any question you 583 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: want at John middlecoff is the name fire in. I 584 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: was about to read this DM and then I accidentally 585 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: pressed delete. The question basically revolved around this guy's a 586 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: big Chiefs fan. He convinced his buddy to become a 587 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: big Jets fan. He's from Jersey because he loves the 588 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: Jets chance And the question was essentially with Rogers almost 589 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: like he's being undervalued because of last year was such 590 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: kind of a disaster and the previous two years he 591 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: was the best player in the league. Why aren't the 592 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: Jets viewed as equals with the Bills? Like why do 593 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: we view the Bills as dramatically better than the Jets? 594 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: And the Jets are like competing with the Dolphins for 595 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: a wild card? And I think it's pretty simple. They've 596 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: proven it year and year out with the tandem, right, 597 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. We can nipick him all we want, No 598 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: coward does, but as a head coach, he's proven. He's 599 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: rattling off twelve thirteen win seasons. And Josh Allen asked 600 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: his quarterback, now, do they have some things like their 601 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: power run game? They get a little pass happy. They 602 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: depend on Josh running too much, Like we get nitpicked 603 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: their individual scheme and what they kind of the ethos 604 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: of their franchise right now and why has cost him 605 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But just overall from a macro standpoint, 606 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: I think you do have to pick him over the Jets. 607 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: The other question with the Jets, like when Rogers is rolling, 608 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: he's legit and they're the Jets team has a lot 609 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: of talent, but we got a major question mark. It's 610 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: the head coach. I know Sean McDermott can coach me 611 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: at twelve thirteen wins. I don't know that about Robert 612 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: solid root for him, bald brother, but as a head coach, 613 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't know anything about offense. He's very dependent on 614 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: his offensive coordinator. He just had Lafleur's brother, who's like 615 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: one of his best friends, had to fire him. Now 616 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: he gets Rogers, who, let's face it, is kind of 617 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: in control. You know, they've they've just the nature of 618 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: getting a guy like him, and given the reasons why 619 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: they got him, you kind of got a seed. He's 620 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: got all the juice, he's got all the power, and 621 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: they're also it's very dependent on Nate Hackett, which I 622 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: think let's just throw last year away. Clearly over his head, 623 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: had no business being the head coach. The only reason 624 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: he was hired with the Denver Broncos was because they 625 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: were going to trade for Aaron Rodgers. If Aaron Rodgers 626 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: would have just not been available, Nate hacketson never for 627 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: the coach. It's just zero chance, not a snowballs chance 628 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: in hell, and it backfired. Now as an offensive coordinator, 629 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we're gonna find out and the comfort 630 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: with those two. If Rodgers has an MVP type season, yeah, 631 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: they easily could win that division, and Saula and the 632 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: defense should be pretty good. Then it'll just be very 633 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: dependent on how the offensive line comes together. If Bryce 634 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: Hall comes back healthy, we know Garrett Wilson's going to 635 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: be really good. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm bullsh on 636 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: the Jets, but I'd not like I wouldn't stake my 637 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: life's savings because of the question marks with I'm much 638 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: more concerned about the coaching staff than I am. Like Rogers, 639 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: New Zealander living in Berlin. This guy's all over the map. 640 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: Been listening for a long time and I love the show. 641 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: Always cool hearing about your travels to New Zealand that 642 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: you liked it here a long time ago, but I 643 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: went my dad freaking loved New Zealand that my dad 644 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: was addicted to fishing. With all this talk about running 645 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: back salaries, do you think the NFL Player Association should 646 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: be trying to negotiate for some more creative solutions to 647 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: address the problem At a systematic level. One potential solution 648 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: could be a very sap salary cap relief for one 649 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: designated running back on each team. Another potential solution could 650 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: be the designated running backs could have shorter rookie contracts 651 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: two or three years instead of four. This would be 652 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: putting running backs in a higher leverage position. I've seen 653 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: this around, and I'm not trying to shit on your 654 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: question here. I think it's kind of stupid if I was, 655 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: if I was like Nick bos Er, Khalil Mack or 656 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, like why do they get special treatment? Why 657 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: do I get a long contract? I'd want to be 658 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: a free agent in two three years too. Same with 659 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: a quarterback? Why do they get treated in different And 660 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: why would an owner, if you and me owned a team, 661 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: why would I just want to give sake on Barkley 662 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: forty million dollars even if it didn't count against the cap, 663 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: just because Dan or Rolovsky and Booker McFarlane are saying, like, hey, 664 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: the players, why would I want to do that? It's 665 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: not good business, right, It's just it's just not what 666 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: Why can't Zach Martin? Why can't He's a guard who's 667 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: an All Pro, potential Hall of Fame player. Sakwan gets 668 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: the cap relief and he doesn't like that's that's the 669 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: thing with the union. Never been in a union, but 670 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: pretty sure they represent everybody. You can't kind of treat 671 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: especially the position, like we're gonna treat the running backer. 672 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: We're gonna fight. If I was like DB's like, why 673 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: are you fighting for me? I'm a safety here? Hey, 674 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: hey guys, if I'm Kevin Byron the Titans, like, I'm 675 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl, pro level guy here, I don't. I 676 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: don't make as much as corners. What's going on here, guys? 677 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: It's a very very slippery slope. I've seen a lot 678 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: of people throw that out one Why would the owners 679 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: want to just give him the running backs money? The 680 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: reason they're not giving them money is not because like 681 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: the salary cap, because they don't think they're worth it. 682 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: So even if it didn't matter against the salary cap, Like, 683 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that would change the view. And again, 684 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, and I think it's a 685 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: fair question because a lot of people are throwing it 686 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: out there. But I don't think that is. One, it's 687 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: not realistic because that's not the way a union works. 688 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: And two, I don't think the teams would be interested. 689 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: I'd rather have four running backs than one, but that's yeah, 690 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: I don't understand why we pulled running backs on a 691 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: different pedestal than Like, is Saquon Barkley more valuable than 692 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: Jason Kelce? Jason Kelsey's like one of the greatest centers 693 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: of all time. Centers, don't give any respect you think 694 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: the Eagles value Jason Kelsey more running backs Jason Kelsey. 695 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: First question for the back Loyal listener. Since the Lawrence 696 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: Wilson Fields Lance Draft, with the quarterback Netflix series being 697 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: a hit, what do you think the future should be 698 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: a one time thing? Another year of different quarterbacks or 699 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: another position. Doing quarterbacks over and over could get repetitive 700 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: like hard knocks, but I don't know if another position 701 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: has the same level of intrigue. Well, where was I 702 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: yesterday someone said that it got picked up, so it's 703 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: gonna be a second season. And my guess would be 704 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: that a lot of players, you know, just quarterbacks around 705 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: the league are going to try to throw their hat 706 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: in the ring. I don't know exactly how this one 707 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: played out. I would imagine Omaha went to Mahomes and cousins. 708 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: I don't know how Mariota ended up in the in 709 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: the group, but I would guess players are going to 710 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 1: reach out and want to be want to do this right. 711 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: No different than like Netflix with golf, I've been a 712 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: lot of players are going to want to get way 713 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: more involved. Same thing with Netflix with f one. So 714 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: I would say for the short time, I think quarterbacks 715 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: is a no brainer. I don't think it would have 716 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: the same intrigue with other positions. Hell, maybe you could 717 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: do running backs. Just listen to them bitch about their salaries. 718 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm making ten million, should be making twelve. I've never 719 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: seen people bitch so much about numbers that aren't really 720 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: that far off right. I always understand the guy making 721 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: fifty he's worth two hundred grand, or the guy making 722 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: two hundre grand is worth they eight hunter. But when 723 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: you're making ten, you're worth eleven five. Like I don't 724 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: have much energy for your It Takes found you from 725 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: the Herd last year and you quickly became one of 726 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: my favorite podcasts. That being said, earlier this week, I 727 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: think you had a rare miss with your take about 728 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: tight ends being a better position to hit on than 729 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Sure, they signed longer term, smaller cap 730 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: hit deals, but I believe there is a reason to that. 731 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: Supply and demand decides the contract offers at each position, 732 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: and based on the new rules and the way the 733 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: game has changed, there is just not enough demand at 734 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: tight end. Superior tight end blocking has become less with 735 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: the decline in running backs and decline in running and 736 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: pass catching. Kittle, Kelsey, and Andrews need to be treated 737 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: as exceptions, not the norm. Drafting tight ends in the 738 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: draft is a crapshoot. Just look at the premium guys 739 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 1: and where they were drafted. Kelsey third, Andrews, Andrews fourth, 740 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: Kittle fourth, Kittle's fifth, Waller sixth. Give me a wide 741 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: receiver any day over the week, Beside rolling the dice 742 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: early in the draft on Dalton Kincaid, Trey McBride or 743 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: a Michael Mayer. I would say this though, I can 744 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: find no different than tight ends in the middle of 745 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: the draft. I can find wide receivers. I can find 746 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: starting wide receivers in the second and third round as well. 747 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't have to draft a guy super high. And 748 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: every single year in the draft, right, this year it 749 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: was a really good tight end draft. Every year, you know, 750 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: there are a ton of wide receivers. There's usually I 751 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: don't even I don't have the numbers in front of me. 752 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: I would guess on average eight to nine wide receives 753 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: go in the top fifty picks of every draft. And 754 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 1: then the amount of wide receivers that go I would 755 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: say between like the third and fifth rounds always pretty high. 756 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: I just confined starting wide receivers in the third, fourth, 757 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: fifth round. Now to get Jamar Chase or some of 758 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: these high end guys clearly got a draft him high. 759 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: That's no different you know at most positions. My point 760 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: was not about if you view. My point was simple. 761 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: If going into the draft and you're in you're a 762 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: good team, right, and you're drafting let's say twenty third, 763 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: and you have the same draft grade on, I'll just 764 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: pick a player in last draft, Jordan Addison, who I 765 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: just saw headline got caught going one hundred and forty 766 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: miles an hour in a fifty five one hundred and 767 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: forty miles an hour. I've been in some fast cars. 768 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever gone one hundred and forty 769 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: miles an hour. At three am, You're going one hundred 770 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: and forty miles an hour, Like, I'm sorry, this is 771 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: some of these Ferraris and stuff aren't just made for 772 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: like twenty three year old kids who have never driven 773 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: one of these ferraris. I've driven in a passenger seat 774 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: of just some pretty powerful sports cars with a guy 775 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: that knows what he's doing driving those things, and even 776 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: he will be like, this thing's fucking powerful. Man, Like 777 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: not all these cars are made for just universally everyone 778 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: to drive. But that's wrong, tangent here, I would say, 779 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: like I said, Jordan Addison versus let's pick Michael Mayer. 780 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: Let's just say you have the same draft grade on 781 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: both guys. I can find a slot wide receiver in 782 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: like third or fourth round, I would take Mayor because 783 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm planning on hitting on either one of the guys. 784 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: If I have a good grade well, if I hit 785 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 1: on the guy, he is going to be way cheaper. 786 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 1: And like you said, they're glorified slot receivers. You're getting 787 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: a receiver. Then you're getting a receiver for sixty to 788 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: seventy percent of the cost, so it's easier to build. 789 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,399 Speaker 1: I talked about it from a cost perspective. If I'm 790 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: getting a guy that can give me seventy five to 791 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: eighty five catches and he's way cheaper, like ultimately Darren 792 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: Waller who's been injured the last couple of weeks or years. 793 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: When Darren Waller is rolling, part of his value is 794 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: he's never going to cost you if he can get 795 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: you up eighty to ninety catches, twenty five million dollars, 796 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: even if you have to quote unquote over pay him. 797 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: He's fifteen sixteen million dollars. Like, the goal of when 798 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: you draft is you think you're hitting on the player 799 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: or else you would not pick them if you knew 800 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: that that heck is not going to work. Obviously, but 801 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: at the time of the draft pick, you think the 802 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: guy's good. Like the reason Kittle went late in the draft. 803 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: He wouldn't think he was that good. He wasn't a 804 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: very productive player in college. Right. The reason some of 805 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: these tight ends this year went a lot higher because 806 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 1: they were really good college prospects. Next year. The dude 807 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: for Georgia, Rock Bowers NAPA High. The reason he's going 808 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: to go really good is everyone thinks he's going to 809 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: be like a Hall of Fame player. So I could 810 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: get Brock Bauers, and I have the equivalent of whoever 811 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: his equivalent. Let's say him and Marvin Harrison are the same, 812 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: I have him grated as the same. I would take 813 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: the tight end. Call me crazy, That's what I would 814 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: do because again I plan on hitting on both. So 815 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: if I think they're both going to be All Pro players, 816 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: I will take the all pro tight end, and I 817 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: think maybe I can get another wide receiver in the 818 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 1: second round. You could make the argument same with the 819 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: with the with the tight end in the second round, 820 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: but the wide receiver costs way more, like would you 821 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: rather have Kelsey or tyre Hill. I think the Chiefs 822 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: proved that. I think they made the right move, and 823 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: Tyrek's incredible. He was like one of the best players 824 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: in the league last year. Question for the pod just 825 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,879 Speaker 1: before I want to ask mention just before I ask, 826 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: just want to mention I love the work on the 827 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,919 Speaker 1: pod and respect your opinion. They're the most reasonable ones 828 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: compared to other podcasters that make a reach. I agree 829 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: to try to be fair and balanced, reasonable and unfiltered. 830 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 1: Been a Raider fan my whole life. I'm sorry and 831 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: tired of constantly seeing them lose. What do you actually 832 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: think is the issue through the years and how can 833 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 1: you improve? Well, they've just been very, very consistent with 834 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: their management. I mean I've been around him when I 835 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: lived in the Bay Area, from Reggie McKenzie to Dennis 836 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: Allen to Jack del Rio to Gruden to firing those 837 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: guys to bring it in Mayock, to then firing those 838 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: guys to Ziegler and Josh who now thinks are not 839 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: going well. They had consistent quarterback play, but it was 840 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,439 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't exactly hit on a top seven 841 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: eight quarterback. He was solid, and he was good enough 842 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: to just have a long career, but he wasn't quite 843 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean a long tenure as a quarterback, so you 844 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: just you haven't hit on the most important things, right, 845 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean a home run at quarterback. Now, Derek was 846 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: good enough to just keep you respectable. If you had 847 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: just solid management and they never could get that. And 848 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: then when Derek was shitty, their coaching staff was kind 849 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: of up and down. Now they're in a position like 850 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: they have some high end players, but they don't have 851 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback, and we don't know if the guy can coach. 852 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 1: So the only way you can be successful in the 853 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,360 Speaker 1: NFL for depth and explosive players and playmakers and schemes 854 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 1: is like, do you have a good quarterback? Do you 855 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: have a good head coach? You you can start with that. 856 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,879 Speaker 1: You got a chance, right, Like, how do you win 857 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: in the NBA? Well, do you have a top seven 858 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 1: eight player? Because if you do that, then you can 859 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: build around him. How do you win in baseball? Can 860 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: you pitch? Can you pitch? Score runs? You have a 861 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: good bullpen, That's how you're gonna win in the playoffs. 862 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: This isn't that complicated of a formula like college football 863 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 1: is a lot different in the NFL. Like college football's 864 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,320 Speaker 1: you obviously got to have a good coach, but recruiting 865 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,760 Speaker 1: the Jimmy's and the Joe's high end blue chip talent. 866 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: Like in the NFL, for the most part, good coaches, 867 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: good quarterbacks, and then draft well around them. That's where 868 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,760 Speaker 1: it all starts. Like the Chief, success kind of starts 869 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: and ends with Andy Mames and then Veat's building around 870 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 1: those two guys and it's worked right, And that's the 871 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: Bills are still trying to figure that out. The Bengals 872 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: trying to figure that out on the margins, but they're 873 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,919 Speaker 1: rattling off successful seasons every single year. Zach Taylor's proven 874 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,399 Speaker 1: to be pretty good play caller, pretty good head coach. 875 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott id say the same thing, and obviously Burrow 876 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: and Josh Allen are stars for the most part. Like 877 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 1: the formula, isn't that complicated question for the pod lifelong 878 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: Jets fan terrified of hard knocks coming in the Rex 879 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: season was fine because they were all Vets. This team 880 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: is not that. Also worried Sala, whose seat is warm, 881 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: won't handle it the same lightning rod fashion that Rex did. 882 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Re's probably a top three or four character 883 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: in the history of the show. What do you think 884 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: about the Jets on the show and should be done 885 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: with hard knocks periods? Since every team is social media 886 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: handling content stay cool in Arizona, that's difficult because it's 887 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty seven degrees. There's just no way 888 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: around it. Once it comes, you just got to embrace it. 889 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: I saw Sala said we had some questions. They answered it. 890 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, they're not going to show players 891 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: getting cut, But I would also venture to guess they're 892 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: going to be very very careful what they show inside 893 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: the team personnel meetings, you know, the one with the 894 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: basically the big kind of boardroom tables, everyone's sitting around them. 895 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: That's that's what inspired me to like want to work 896 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,359 Speaker 1: in that business. Like I want to be in that room. 897 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget the first time, probably my second 898 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: year with the Eagles, just being able to go like 899 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: we kind of rotated with scouts. It's going in that 900 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: room at Lehigh with the Eagles and just kind of 901 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: sitting on the side, Andy at the front, all the 902 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: coaches around and just going position by position. It was 903 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,319 Speaker 1: like I dreamed about this moment. Hell, it was cool 904 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: when I was at president State. Now my office was 905 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: in the room, so by by about the eighth week, 906 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: you kind of get numbed to it. But it is cool, 907 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,399 Speaker 1: and it's from a fans perspective, I think that's that's 908 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 1: way cooler than the cutting to me, the cutting, I 909 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: do understand it though, like it's a huge part of 910 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: August players getting cut, moving down your roster, Like it's 911 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: the whole point of preparing for the season, figuring out 912 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: who's on your team, and part of figuring out who's 913 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,720 Speaker 1: you're on your team. Is that insight on those meetings 914 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: which used to be as raw and real and they 915 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: are in real life, but the version we get now 916 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: is definitely not the same. So yeah, I don't think 917 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 1: hard knocks will be the reason or not the reason 918 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: now it'll be. I also think they'll be very careful 919 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,680 Speaker 1: about any lightning rod stuff. With Rogers, it's gonna be 920 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 1: very vanilla. I would expect very very vanilla. The entertaining 921 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 1: stuff will probably be the practice, right Rogers against the defense, 922 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 1: the players chirping, that's always fun. But we get that 923 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: with every team. The NFL network goes practice to practice. 924 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: Curious to hear and potentially Collins take on my theory, 925 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: what if Jimmy g to the Raiders was a setup 926 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: where they knew there was a high probability it would 927 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 1: end it in disaster so they could tank for Caleb 928 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: Williams given us past injuries and even dealing with an 929 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: injury at the time of signing, you would think the 930 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,240 Speaker 1: Raiders would have a solid backup plan. Yet it seems 931 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: they've pivoted the opposite direction, letting Sidham go. I know 932 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: NFL teams don't often have the image of tanking, so 933 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,439 Speaker 1: maybe this is their quote unquote out If Jimmy can't 934 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 1: play now they can look to everyone and say at 935 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,239 Speaker 1: least they tried. Second part, if McDaniels has enough of 936 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 1: a leash to have a horrible year and get his 937 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,720 Speaker 1: guy Caleb like you did with TBO, without Al Davis 938 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: or fans coming for him, you would have to think 939 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: this theory hold any truth. I would say that would 940 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 1: be kind of like a chest not checkers, and I 941 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: just don't know if the Raiders are doing that. I 942 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 1: don't This gets back to my Vabel thing. Coaches aren't 943 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 1: really into losing or thinking about losing until it kind 944 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 1: of becomes inevitable in season. I think they signed Jimmy 945 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 1: Garoppolo because they viewed Jimmy Garoppolo as a better player 946 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: than Derek Carr in their offense. I think it's just 947 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,280 Speaker 1: black and white reason that they made him get surgery 948 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: and amended the contract. Was they didn't really have any 949 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 1: other options, Like there weren't other quarterbacks that made any sense, 950 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,839 Speaker 1: so they were kind of stuck that they were just 951 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:15,840 Speaker 1: in a weird way, Jimmy kind of had him by 952 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,799 Speaker 1: the balls, like, what are you gonna do? You're not 953 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,760 Speaker 1: sign me, who's gonna be your quarterback? Look around the market, 954 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 1: they don't exist. I know you need a quarterback and 955 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 1: kind of a specific quarterback who knows your offense. Now, 956 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: if you're going to sign a guy in March, and 957 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,919 Speaker 1: clearly you're not going to draft a guy, you don't 958 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,799 Speaker 1: have any quarterbacks coming back. I think it was less 959 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: about that. Now, it might indirectly because they didn't necessarily 960 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 1: try for this outcome lead to Caleb Williams if Jimmy 961 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,799 Speaker 1: gets hurt and they're just a disaster. But I think 962 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: they signed Jimmy Garoppolo because they viewed him an upgrade 963 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 1: over Derek Carr. And then when the physical thing happened, 964 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: When the physical happened and they realized that he's not 965 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 1: going to be ready and he needs another surgery, they 966 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,399 Speaker 1: mess with a contract because they they still needed him 967 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 1: because they didn't have like Tom Brady wasn't coming out 968 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,399 Speaker 1: of retirement, which I'm sure they called, and that wasn't 969 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: an option. So I think I understand what you're saying, 970 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,040 Speaker 1: but I think it's probably a little less shortsighted than 971 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 1: it is like your macro longsided view, which I think 972 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 1: if if their quarterback situation and he is not healthy, 973 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 1: which he rarely is, they would have a pretty good 974 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:33,439 Speaker 1: chance to suck Sean from Knoxville, Tennessee OO MC kenny 975 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,720 Speaker 1: Chesney and the Tennessee volunteers. I would like to address 976 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: something that you said yesterday about Derrick Henry. You said 977 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,359 Speaker 1: he was hurt last season, which he was not. Our 978 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: quarterback got hurt, but Henry was healthy the whole year. 979 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,240 Speaker 1: And also, yeah, he got hurt the year before. My bad. 980 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: I'm a big listener of the show and I really 981 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 1: enjoy your content, but I'm wondering where all the unwarranted 982 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: hatred of Ryan to Hanny Hill comes from. I'm not 983 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: saying he's some rock star, but he is definitely above 984 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: average quarterback in the league. Look at his staff from 985 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: the past four years, highest passer rating in the league, 986 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,760 Speaker 1: pro Bowl appearances, I mean it was Pro Bowl. It's 987 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: part of that is, you know Burrow and Mahomes are 988 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: playing the Super Bowl like that, there are we have 989 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,160 Speaker 1: to admit Tannehill doesn't have much in common with the 990 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: high end quarterbacks in the AFCFC Championship appearance. Didn't your 991 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 1: running back run for like seven hundred yards in the 992 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,439 Speaker 1: two playoff games? Henry was hurt almost the whole year, 993 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 1: and we were the number one seed with him as 994 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: our quarterback that season. I don't think he is a 995 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,320 Speaker 1: lame duck like you say, well, they just drafted a 996 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,239 Speaker 1: quarterback in the second round. Now you maybe you'd argue 997 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:40,279 Speaker 1: he was injured. I think it's simple. Anytime, think how 998 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:47,759 Speaker 1: much shit and how polarizing dac and and cousins are right, 999 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,960 Speaker 1: Think how often we talk about him, how often we 1000 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,880 Speaker 1: discuss them, How often you can argue they're good, they're mediocre. 1001 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: When they suck, everyone celebrates if you don't like them. 1002 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,600 Speaker 1: Tanny Hill is not as good as those guys. And 1003 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 1: I know you're a Titans fan. I'm being objective on 1004 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,800 Speaker 1: this because I have no beef of Bryan Tannehill. Like 1005 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,239 Speaker 1: I said, I like Mike Vrabel, I love Nashville. If 1006 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: I get enough money, I plan on buying a home 1007 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: there one day, just to have a home in that area. 1008 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: I freaking love. I am pro Tennessee state, that the area, 1009 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 1: the team. But I just anytime you get to like 1010 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 1: that kind of Alex Smith line of delineation, as fans, 1011 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 1: as management, you're always looking to upgrade, and Tanny Hill 1012 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,319 Speaker 1: is a level where they're always looking to upgrade. Like 1013 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,560 Speaker 1: I said, they just drafted a quarterback pretty high and 1014 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 1: they were trying to trade into the first round to 1015 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,719 Speaker 1: get Will Levis. So I feel pretty confident that he 1016 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: will not be on the team any year. They would 1017 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: have been all over the Aaron Rodgers trade if they 1018 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 1: wouldn't have had Daniel's contract. Kind of screwing them up 1019 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,480 Speaker 1: and a big reason that they lost a jur We 1020 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,200 Speaker 1: can debate it all day long, but like the business 1021 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,439 Speaker 1: side of the salary cap in Tannehill's number was too high. 1022 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,640 Speaker 1: So maybe I got the Derek injury wrong, But I 1023 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: do feel pretty confident like Derek's run as this elite player. 1024 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,359 Speaker 1: Maybe he's got your left Like, it's not like he's 1025 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 1: he's not on hold twelve here, He's much closer to 1026 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,879 Speaker 1: a whole eighteen. There's nothing wrong with that, He's had 1027 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,319 Speaker 1: one of the most remarkable running back careers of the 1028 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,680 Speaker 1: Internet age. Said like Adrian Peterson, find me a running 1029 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,920 Speaker 1: back who can just carry a team quite like him. 1030 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 1: If any guy's got an argument, it's him. But yeah, 1031 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just not I'm not anti Tannel. I 1032 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 1: think he's fine anytime, You're just fine. Like teams want 1033 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,839 Speaker 1: better than Yeah, he's fine. They want better than that. 1034 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: There's a reason that they won't extend Cousins, and Cousins 1035 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: is better than Tannhill and then they get upgrade. Now 1036 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,720 Speaker 1: the one thing tannery Hill does. If you can combine 1037 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 1: Cousins in Tannehill, you would have a top ten player 1038 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,880 Speaker 1: because Tannehill's athleticism. Cousins is a better passer the ball. 1039 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,880 Speaker 1: And maybe it's fair, maybe it's not. It's hard to 1040 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: get that playoff game out of my mind a couple 1041 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: years ago against the Bengals. That was tough, and that's 1042 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,359 Speaker 1: a lasting image for me. Fair or not, I'll tell 1043 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,719 Speaker 1: you what I'm biased where I have the quote unquote agenda. 1044 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,920 Speaker 1: Is there any chance in your mind that the Chargers 1045 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 1: can take the division away from Kansas City. I think 1046 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,319 Speaker 1: the only way that can happen is if like the 1047 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 1: Chargers win fourteen games, Like the Chiefs could just have 1048 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,399 Speaker 1: a twelve and five season, because sometimes they they got 1049 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,400 Speaker 1: a little Kevin Durant Warriors to them where they can 1050 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,160 Speaker 1: kind of go on cruise control, not really locked and loaded. 1051 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,319 Speaker 1: They can just lose some weird games. And I could 1052 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: see a situation where do they go twelve and five 1053 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,520 Speaker 1: and the Chargers go thirteen and four. It'd be something 1054 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,399 Speaker 1: like that, or I mean, clearly, if my homes ever 1055 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,799 Speaker 1: got injured, that'd be a problem. But if you told 1056 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: me that Andy Reid was the coach of the Chargers, 1057 00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,759 Speaker 1: I would say that they would win fifteen games. To me, 1058 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: the Chiefs are at the point now where the regular 1059 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 1: season clearly home field advantage matters a lot to them, 1060 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: and they've hosted, however, many straight playoff games, AFC champion games. 1061 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,960 Speaker 1: But you're gonna have one of the years where just 1062 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,960 Speaker 1: their focus wanes a little bit. And that's part of 1063 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 1: the good thing with the NFL. You're constantly getting new players, 1064 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 1: You're constantly getting new blood. You're constantly getting guys that 1065 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: haven't tasted it, or young players that kind of want to. 1066 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,440 Speaker 1: But I could see a scenario and it would you know, 1067 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 1: Herbert MVP type season. It's hard for me with the coach, 1068 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,560 Speaker 1: as anyone that's listened to my show for a while knows, 1069 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm not a brand Staley guy. Now, I don't really know, 1070 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,960 Speaker 1: like how many people you would just meet if you 1071 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,880 Speaker 1: just went to the bar on a Sunday afternoon in 1072 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 1: the fall, Like there are a lot of Brandon Staley 1073 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,560 Speaker 1: guys out there, like, yeah, really good coach, underrated very 1074 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 1: you can find someone like I'm telling you Dak's underrated, 1075 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: right or make that argument or cousins, I think he's 1076 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,440 Speaker 1: better than you think, or Herbert, you know he's overrated, 1077 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: like you hear these no one's ever you know, I 1078 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,400 Speaker 1: think you're being too hard on Brandon Staley. He's a 1079 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,200 Speaker 1: better coach than you think. He's closer to Mike Vrabel 1080 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,280 Speaker 1: than anyone wants to realize. Like, you're not really having 1081 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,320 Speaker 1: that argument. I don't know who I'm arguing with over 1082 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,120 Speaker 1: Brandon Stalely, I think we're all kind of on the 1083 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: same page. Even the Chargers behind closed doors would tell you, yeah, 1084 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,320 Speaker 1: we just didn't really want to pay him to go away. 1085 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,280 Speaker 1: We weren't gonna Payean Payton, but he'll probably be if 1086 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't at minimum win a playoff game. But if 1087 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,040 Speaker 1: you were to win the division, then I think he 1088 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: would have to win a plaoff game too, because they 1089 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 1: they'd be hosting a playoff game, which would be weird. 1090 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,400 Speaker 1: I mean that's I was talking to some of the 1091 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,000 Speaker 1: other day. It's just it's pretty sad that the charges 1092 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 1: are in San Diego. I love San Diego. Have a 1093 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 1: good weekend. Talk to everyone later. Piece the volume