1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: I pointed out how much I do for our household, 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: and my wife is still ungrateful. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: Go on strike. 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe I actually have a reason to 5 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: post something on Reddit. But here I am my wife 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: forty one female and I forty two male, have been 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: married for fifteen years. 8 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: Wow. 9 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: I apparently surprised her by being capable of doing household 10 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: chores and tasks. 11 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: Which I didn't think much of. 12 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: My mom always asked me to help out with chores 13 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, so I didn't think it 14 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: was beneath me. 15 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: R And this guy gets it. He gets it, by 16 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: the way. 17 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: This comes from throwaway Sad Husband's eight slash okay story 18 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: t I'm superading. I do think I inherited her need 19 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: to clean excessively, Like it's so bad that I can't 20 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: eat until a mess is dealt with. 21 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: That is my mom, Like she will not sit down 22 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: for dinner until she's cleaned up every Oh my gosh, 23 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: oh my gosh. 24 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: My mom is an amazing cook. My aunt was a 25 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: literal chef at a fancy hotel, and my dad loved 26 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: having barbecues. It was pretty natural to learn from them 27 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: and pick up a thing or two The only thing 28 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: I didn't pick up was how to make a decent 29 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: cup of tea or coffee, and I'm genuinely awful at it. 30 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: It got to a point where I was handling most 31 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: of the household chores and taking care of cooking, which 32 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: I prefer anyways, since she comes home exhausted, I've been 33 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: asking our children eleven female and nine male, to do 34 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: some minor tasks around the house and hopefully teach. 35 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: Them this sort of thing too. 36 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: She has a group of friends who hang out regularly. 37 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: This time it was her turn to host the group 38 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: at her home. I offered to take our children out 39 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: for the day and it was all set Before we left. 40 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: I had to finish up some things for work. The 41 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: office space is practically. 42 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: On top of our living room, so I could hear 43 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: what they were talking about the entire time. 44 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: One of the. 45 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: Friends asked how she always kept her house so spotless, 46 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: and my wife just bragged about how she was responsible 47 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: for it all. 48 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: Girl, girl, no, no no, no, no, no no no, 49 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: don't try to take Ohk's credit. Come on now. Then 50 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: they all started talking about their gripes with their marriages. 51 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: A common theme was how unhelpful there's spouse frustrating when 52 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: he's like, literally very helpful. Yeah, he's doing so much. 53 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: I felt pretty uncomfortab, so I just left the office 54 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: and went out with the kids. I came back after 55 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: they had left for the night and acted as normal 56 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: until we got to our bedroom. I asked her what 57 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: was up with that conversation they had, and pointed out 58 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: that I did the cooking and cleaning in our marriage. 59 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: She told me not to take it personally, and that 60 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: she just wanted to fit in with the struggles of 61 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: her friend top. Now I just feel unappreciated, especially since 62 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: I don't clearly remember any genuine gratitude for what I 63 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: do from her. Since then, she's been pretty short with me, 64 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: she says, I'm weaponizing what I'm doing against her and. 65 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: Holding it over her head. 66 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: I don't expect her to compliment me each time I 67 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: clean or defend me religiously just a little. 68 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: My husband is pretty helpful, Actually he does his share. 69 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: That would be nice. 70 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: I can't help but feel like her friends think I'm 71 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: some sort of deadbeat who comes home to relax and 72 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: neglect her. All right, Update number one, I'm pretty shocked 73 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: this post went as viral as it did, and I 74 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: tried my best to speak to my wife yesterday. I 75 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: just can't believe that this is the woman I married. 76 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: I tried speaking with her, telling her that what she 77 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: did wasn't that big of a deal, but was still 78 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: not a nice. 79 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: Thing to do. 80 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: She didn't like me bringing it up again and just 81 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: told me to suck it up and stop being about 82 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: one mistake. She apologized, but in a tone that just 83 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: sounded like she was just tired of dealing. 84 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: Okay, Vine, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah. 85 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: I noticed her getting very heated and on the verge 86 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: of starting an argument, so I backed off and switched 87 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: to a different topic. I asked if we could adjust 88 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: our duties at home to be more fair for both 89 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: of us since most of our management fell to me. 90 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: I mean pretty much ninety percent of things like cooking, cleaning, 91 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: including planning for our date nights, or vacations for our 92 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: family all rely on me. I do think it's an 93 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: issue that she gets to come home and just tell 94 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: me that she's tired. Then she got up in my face, 95 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: telling me I had no right to lecture her about 96 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: chore duties when I'm practically at home most of the time, 97 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: she completely refused to hear me out and basically told 98 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: me that what we have works best for our situation. 99 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: She threw it in my face that she was the 100 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: moneymaker and that balanced everything out in the end. Even 101 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: this morning, she was pretty annoyed with me, coming downstairs 102 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: in a bad mood. I'm very sure our kids noticed 103 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: it too, but I drove them to school after they 104 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: got ready. When I got back, I noticed that my 105 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: wife left her packed. 106 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: Lunch on our kitchen counter. 107 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: So now I'm sitting here just feeling like the woman 108 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: I've known for fifteen years hates me. 109 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: Wow, so messed up, just asking for some appreciation. Yeah, 110 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: and his wife is like, no. 111 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: Right, I guess I'll have to push this issue properly, 112 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: even if she gets angry. She's been ignoring my text 113 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: and attempts to call her. I can't just let her 114 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: act like this, especially in front of our children. 115 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: She's acting like a child. She won't she won't talk 116 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: to you about it. 117 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is not going to set a good 118 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: example for what the children should be like. 119 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: Now we have update number two. Are we ready for Ready? 120 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm diving ready. 121 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm just done at this point, I did 122 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: something I never did before and went into her phone 123 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: while she slept. 124 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: Oh no, we. 125 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: Know we both know each other's passwords, so it really 126 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: wasn't difficult. Some of the cheating comments got to me, 127 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: and I felt pretty paranoid about the situation. 128 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: So I'm assuming people commented. 129 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's always what ready goes to though it's 130 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: always cheap. 131 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: It's a classic creddit that. Don't listen to them. Don't listen, 132 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: don't don't violate privacy before talking to your partner. 133 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: Right, Instead, I found a group chat with some of 134 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: her work friends, different from the other friends she had 135 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: over It was just non stop mockery of me and 136 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: some of the stuff I did for her. 137 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: And so understand this, like desire to mock your partner, yeah, 138 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: or to belittle them in front of other people? Like what, 139 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: why would you want your friends and coworkers to think 140 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: badly or poorly of your partner? Right? I don't know. 141 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: Maybe I just need a lot of validation from other 142 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: people I would want to talk to about. I mean, 143 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: I don't like I could see blowing off steam or something. 144 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: There's a really close friend. I think there's a difference 145 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: between saying like, Hey, I'm frustrated with this and I 146 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: don't know how to talk to them about it, right, 147 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 2: and asking for advice, right, But to be like, oh, yeah, 148 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: my'd buben is just so stupid and he's not doing 149 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: anything around the house, yeah, which is just a lie. 150 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: She told them how embarrassed she feels to be with me, 151 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: and then I dote on. 152 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: Her like a parent and don't feel like her husband. 153 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: Oh who, that might be a serious issue. I think 154 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: that's like divorce really, maybe counseling because they have kids. 155 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: But like, right to say that is just such a betrayal. 156 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: Part of me really wants to play devil's advocate because like, okay, 157 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: read as stories, we. 158 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: Don't know everything. We don't know everything that's true. You 159 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: don't know everything that's going on. 160 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: So I do kind of wonder what her side is, Yeah, 161 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: what her side looks like, because if if she feels 162 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: like he's acting like a parent, doesn't feel like her husband, 163 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: that is an issue, and that it's something that. 164 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: They actually need to brought up to her husband exactly, 165 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: her coworkers exactly. 166 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, she should deal with it in a different way, 167 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: if that is accurate. If that's true, the lunches I 168 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: pack for her are humiliating because I add sweets and 169 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: other treats. 170 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: I know she likes. That's so sad. What he's just 171 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: being all sweets. Don't be embarrassed by like a lunch 172 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: that you have. Come on, it's food. Yeah, Like if 173 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: you're worried to give me a capri son for lunch today, 174 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 2: I'd be like, I would think that's amazing. I'd be 175 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: like this is great. Yeah, and like, I don't know, 176 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: someone gave me a little fruit roll up. I'd be 177 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: like sick freaking winning over here, win gushers. A person 178 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: allows me. 179 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: Some of her coworkers tease her about the snacks I 180 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: have in for her, and she admitted to just throwing 181 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: them out at work. 182 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: No, the co workers are bad. Your coworkers suck, and 183 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: you suck. She's being around bad people. I hate them. 184 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: She doesn't have any issue eating them at home, but 185 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: at work she throws out my baking. 186 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: You're baking baking. 187 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: This is sad because, Okay, I don't know if I'm 188 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: just playing Devil's advocate too much. I feel like she's 189 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: definitely not going about the situation right. Yeah, definitely shouldn't 190 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: be spreading lies and stuff. I think she's just so 191 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: focused on other people's opinions of her. Yes, yes, And 192 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: I think this is a bad group of coworkers to 193 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: be around. 194 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: And her friends are bad. 195 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: Yes, and I think she's just got bad people around her. 196 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: That's not the entire source of the situation, but I 197 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: do think it affects it well. 198 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: I think it is an explanation, but it's not an excuse, 199 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: right right. 200 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: She had some choice words to say about me in 201 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: her chat, some of which I don't have the courage 202 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: to type out here. One of her meme pictures was 203 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: of me on my knees scrubbing a bathroom tile, edited 204 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: to have some sort of dress on, like I was 205 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: some sort of housewife from the nineteen sixties or something. 206 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: Dude, that is insane. Check your internalized misogyny, girl, Yeah, 207 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: that's insane. I no longer want to play Devil's out of. 208 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: That. 209 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: She saw it. That's really that's weird. We imagine again, 210 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: belittling your husband, mocking him for helping clean the house. Right, 211 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: You're literally like you were complaining about him not doing anything, 212 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: and now you're showing him doing something and then making 213 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: it out to be like, Oh, he's just he's a woman, right, 214 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: It's like, why are you complaining about the roles the 215 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: like that? You don't even make these generals being reversed 216 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 2: if to them. 217 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, it's just so backwards in so many ways. 218 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: I just closed her phone and left the bedroom. I 219 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: confronted her about the chat in the morning and the 220 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: contents of it, which got her panic. I focused on 221 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: our kids this morning and left her to her own devices. 222 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: It's not like she would have appreciated a kid's lunch anyways. 223 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: But we will always appreciate you joining us live and 224 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: YouTube every weekday at three PMPs. Do you just top 225 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: her profile? I'll never throw you away, never, never. There's 226 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: a little bit more. 227 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: Do we have any final thoughts? Well? I think first 228 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: she need to have a hard conversation with her say 229 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: like that was completely inappropriate. I know I shouldn't have 230 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: looked at your phone. That's up to that. Yes, I 231 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: know I shouldn't have done that, but that you should 232 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: not be talking about me like that in front of 233 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: your coworkers. Yeah, and I think either we need to 234 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: go to some strong counseling or this relationship is over. 235 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: Yep. 236 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: Sounds about right. 237 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: So now she's texting me like crazy at the office. 238 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: But I think I lost all respect for her and 239 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: what she's become. Not only does she find me overbearing 240 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: and embarrassing as a husband, but then I find out 241 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: she mocks me to her friends and exposes some sensitive 242 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: relationship issues to. 243 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: Her group chat. 244 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: This will probably be the last update, since I don't 245 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: think she can come back from this. We just celebrated 246 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: our fifteenth anniversary last this month. 247 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: Two all so sad. 248 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: I feel like such a loser now after seeing what 249 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: my wife actually thinks of me. 250 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: And that's the end of the story. What a sad 251 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: note to leave all sad? Okay, well again, I have 252 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: the same advice. Yeah right now, it's either you have 253 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: that conversation you might have to end this relationship. 254 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, this seems like your only options mm hm CAD's 255 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: counseling or an ending. 256 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: But that's also the end of this story, so we'll 257 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: see you next time. My husband is furious that I 258 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: don't wear lingerie enough. Now he's accusing me of cheating. 259 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: What a husband and I got into an argument last 260 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: night because we haven't been intimate in almost a month. 261 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: This is because a couple of months ago he was 262 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: in a self admitted manic state and took out multiple 263 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: loans to gamble and lost all the money. We're talking 264 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: upwards of sixty five thousand loans from multiple banks. He 265 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: also lost his job a month ago. By the way, 266 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: this comes from Throwaway twenty twenty six, nineteen sixty two 267 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: on the Okay storytime Separate. So we're in a terrible 268 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: financial situation. So I've been working at my job harder 269 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: than ever to make more money and help him pay 270 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: off his debt. I work extra days and stay at 271 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: work for up to twelve hours a day. I even 272 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: volunteer to work at other locations for extra opportunities to 273 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: make money. Some of these are over an hour away. 274 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: Last night, I came home from work after working ten hours, 275 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: and I was physically exhausted and emotionally spent because we 276 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: almost had an active shooter situation at my workplace and 277 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: it stressed me out. That's scary. He tried to initiate 278 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: spicy sleep, and I was not in the mood because 279 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: I have been home for less than ten minutes. H dude, 280 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: give her a second, Give her a second. She just 281 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 2: had a light yeah, opportunity, and he currently doesn't have 282 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: a job, so he was able to relax all day 283 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: waiting for me. Was she not like worried about her? 284 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he doesn't have a job and you're working 285 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: way more to pay off his debts. 286 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy because he has lots of debts. That 287 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of money. 288 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: He stood up and took my lingerie from one of 289 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: my clothing racks and threw them at my head, screaming, 290 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: who are you wearing this for? Because it's it's not me. 291 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: He's throwing stuff at you. He's throwing things and it's lingerie. 292 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 2: I couldn't even fathom entertaining that thought, so I tried 293 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: to cool it down, but he kept going. Eventually, I 294 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: just left the house and took a drive for two hours. 295 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: By the time I came home, he had fallen asleep. 296 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: This morning, I went to work and noticed on our 297 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: cameras that he had gone to sleep in the basement 298 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and never came up. 299 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: By three pm. I was extremely worried that something was wrong, 300 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: and he suffers from on a living ideation, so I 301 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: told my boss that I was leaving work early to 302 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: check on him. When I came home, he was sleeping 303 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: in the basement, so I woke him up and he 304 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: asked me to bring him ibuprofen for a headache and 305 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: to go pick up breakfast for him. So I drove 306 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: out to get him a Red Bull breakfast sandwich and 307 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: a milkshake, came home and gave it to him. That's 308 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: when he reinitiated the fight from last night and demanded 309 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: to know where the lingerie was. Oh my gosh, the 310 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: night before, when I got home from my drive, I 311 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: was afraid that he was going to destroy the lingerie, 312 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: which I had spent my own money on, so I 313 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: hid it in a safe place. I wouldn't tell him 314 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: where the lingerree was, and he started screaming at me again. 315 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: I decided to leave the house again, this is unacceptable behavior. 316 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: Not five minutes later, this was the text that I received. 317 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say. I'm heartbroken and 318 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: all I want to do is cry in the parking 319 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: lot that I'm currently sitting in. I feel completely unappreciated 320 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: for working extra shifts to help and pay off his debts, 321 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: taking care of him, even after he accuses me of 322 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: cheating on him. And checking on him when I think 323 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: something is wrong. Honestly, that one message left me completely speechless. 324 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: I don't recognize this person. I have no idea who 325 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: he is. I feel degraded and humiliated with the way 326 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: that he spoke to me. How do I respond to 327 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: his accusations? And what am I supposed to do about 328 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: the way he spoke to me in those text messages. 329 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: I know he's going through a lot, but the way 330 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: he's been talking to me has put my self esteem 331 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: straight through the ground. How do I navigate this and 332 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: how do I try to move on from what happened 333 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: over the past twenty four hours? Edit? Some commenters are 334 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: under the impression that I had hidden the lingerie when 335 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: I bought them, and that he'd found them and confronted me. 336 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: A large walking closet and a rack dedicated to my lingerie. 337 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: They're in plain view and he has access to them 338 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: all the time for when he wants me to wear them. 339 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: He knows about all of them because he helps me 340 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: pick them out. The particular pair he was mad about 341 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: was a purple Valentine's Day set from VS, which I 342 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: bought via their online vssay. I didn't wear them on 343 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. I got my period five days early, so 344 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: I put them with the rest of my stuff and 345 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: never ended up wearing them at all. Since Valentine's Day 346 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: was a month ago, I presented him with a post 347 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: nuptial agreement that states if we divorce, any debt will 348 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: remain the responsibility of the person who took them out. Thankfully, 349 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: we have no joint loans of any kind together. I 350 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: have my credit report run just to make sure no 351 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: sneaky loans or credit cards behind my back in my name. 352 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: Aside from my eighteen k left in student loans, Collectively, 353 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: my credit cards are under eight percent utilization and that's 354 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: all I've got. I would take ownership of our cats too. 355 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: He would continue to pay off his fifty five K loans, 356 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: his forty K student loans, and his twenty two k in. 357 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: Credit card debt. 358 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: He was stunned when I gave him the post nup. Ultimately, 359 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: he did agree that we looked very hurt re signing 360 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: the papers on Tuesday. Yeah, I think that's very fair. 361 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: Just get him get it out of very fair. I've 362 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: also scheduled marriage counseling appointments once a week. He said, 363 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: he was devastated that it got to this point, but 364 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: he agreed to doing this as well. This marriage counselor 365 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: also specializes in addiction, and I suggested he scheduled private 366 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: appointments with her to work on that. We'll see how 367 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: it goes. And there is another updates. But I think 368 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: this is headed in the right direction. I think so 369 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: the direction that it needs to go. 370 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and does he have an addiction or something? It 371 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: kind of seems like he does. I don't think we 372 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: heard of what it is from that last sentence. Yeah, 373 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: it seems like that might also be an issue. 374 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, another issue, Yeah, hard, which also might have led 375 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: into some kind of that reaction that he had. Yeah, 376 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: could be you know something. There's another update. Let's get 377 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: into it. Hi, this is a follow up that I 378 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: feel like is long overdue in this group. I feel 379 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: like I owe it to everyone that gave me advice 380 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: in my original post. It's been a long and hard 381 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: road ever since, but hopefully this reaches the people that 382 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: reached out to me and gave me some hard advice 383 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: that I really needed to hear. In the months following 384 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: my last post, I have since left my husband and 385 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: filed for divorce. Nice, there we go. After a few 386 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: other incidents, with one involving a firearm, I started applying 387 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: for jobs around the country, and by some miracle that 388 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: I cannot comprehend, I landed an incredibly well paying job 389 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: that is almost four times my previous salary. I don't 390 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: know how I managed to do it, aside from just 391 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: funneling all my energy into one singular task that it 392 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: would allow me to leave. Once I got the job, 393 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: I let my ex husband know that I was going 394 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: to be leaving without him. It was really nerve racking 395 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: telling him that I was leaving without him five days 396 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: before I moved. But I had a really, really good 397 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: support system and a friend group along with family members 398 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: that made sure I was safe during this transition. Even 399 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: though I told him I was going to file for divorce, 400 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: for the first month of me being gone, he did 401 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: everything in his power to convince me to stay, including 402 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: threatening me on numerous occasions and telling me that if 403 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: I chose to go through with a divorce, he would 404 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: make it so financially just instructive to me that I 405 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: might choose to stay with him. After all, you suckdeed. 406 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: That's I'm sorry. 407 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: Trying to convince me to say yeah, threatening me, but 408 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: not not the best, not at all the best tactics. Ultimately, 409 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: it turns out that the law was very much on 410 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: my side, and while I did pay for all the 411 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: divorce fees because he's unemployed, I don't know him absolutely anything, 412 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: and the divorce itself was actually quite cut and dry. 413 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: I have an incredible job, I live in a highly 414 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: secure area. I moved far away and made new friends 415 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: and have been so incredibly lucky to have an awesome 416 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: work environment as well. I have my own townhouse. And 417 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: I also took all our pets with me, as I 418 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: didn't believe that he's capable. 419 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 2: Of taking care of them. Yeah, he can't even take 420 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 2: care of himself, right. It is in the divorce agreement 421 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: that I will be keeping them for the rest of 422 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: our lives. Thanks goodness you put that in there. I 423 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 2: donated just about everything I owned and came to a 424 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 2: new place with only my pets and clothes in a 425 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: suitcase and started completely over. I can't tell anyone reading 426 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: this just how liberating and peaceful this journey has been. 427 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: I love that. I'm very happy for you. Our house 428 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 2: has since been sold and he has moved across the 429 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: country to live with his mom and dad as he 430 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: figures out his unemployment situation. He still sends me threats 431 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,239 Speaker 2: followed by love bombing, although by this point they are 432 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: happening less and less and less each week. I cut 433 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: off any personal communication with him about a month ago, 434 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 2: and now I only speak to him through our lawyers, 435 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 2: which is pretty easy. I'm not gonna lie. Even though 436 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: that was the hardest thing I've ever done logistically, emotionally, 437 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: leaving was the best and easiest experience I've ever had. Great. 438 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 2: I think at the time I made my last post, 439 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: I was in incredible denial and not thinking that I 440 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: was good enough as a wife, and not doing everything 441 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: I could and my power to try to fix it. 442 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: I have since come to realize that I did, in 443 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: fact do absolutely everything that I could control in order 444 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: to try to save our marriage. I made us go 445 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: to marriage counseling. I gave him mental health resources. I 446 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: reached out to his parents, and they agreed to send 447 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: him to a rehab he ultimately refused. I applied for 448 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: endless jobs for him. I would stay late at work 449 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: just to make enough money for us. I would come 450 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 2: home in the middle of the night, and still I'll 451 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: make him dinner. I still kept the house as tidy 452 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: as I could with the little amount of free time 453 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: that I had. I was there for him emotionally when 454 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: he would have breakdowns. I would ask his friends to 455 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: please check in on him when he was feeling low. 456 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: I made doctor's appointments for him that he ultimately didn't 457 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: show up to. I saw out financial advisors to help 458 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: us figure out how to pay off his debts. I 459 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 2: put him in contact with a head on her I 460 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: gave him every single time he had an outburst and 461 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: degraded me. I spent months doing research on addiction just 462 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 2: so I could understand him better. I read books on 463 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: how to improve relationships that are trauma bonded. I did 464 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: everything I possibly could. It sounds like you did everything. Yeah, 465 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: you're doing great. At the end of the day, no 466 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: matter how much I loved him or wanted to make 467 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: the marriage work, because I believed it was my responsibility 468 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 2: to fix everything, I had to step outside of myself 469 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: and realize that if this was happening to anyone else 470 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: that I loved, I would not tolerate it. I had 471 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: to decide to love myself just as much as I 472 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 2: love the other people around me, and that is the 473 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: only thing that led me to leave. That is such 474 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: a great point. Yeah, wow, have you ever noticed, you know, 475 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: if you're a being mistreated, just think like, would I 476 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: be upset if my friend was being treated this way 477 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: or my loved one? You know. Sure, it's a great, 478 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: great rule to live by. I'm safe, I'm probably the 479 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: happiest I've been in my entire life. I'm independent, I'm confident, 480 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: I'm learning who I am again. I'm proud my divorce 481 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: will be final in just a few short weeks, and 482 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: I'm excited to truly be my own person again. Anyway, 483 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 2: I hope that this update is sufficient, and I appreciate 484 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: everyone that reached out to me all those months ago. 485 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 2: And that is the end of that story. I love 486 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 2: that ending. I love that. Oh he's like, you know what, 487 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: I really found myself and I don't need him, And 488 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: that's like beautiful. Yeah, it sounds like putting in so 489 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: much work. Yeah, and you don't need him, You don't 490 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: need him need you. Yeah, he did pay his debt, Yeah, 491 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen K debt. So much, so much, 492 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: so much, which debt. Maybe it was a gambling addiction. 493 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 2: That's also possible, but that is the end of that story, 494 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: so we'll see you next time. 495 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: I told my partner he needs to find a better 496 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: job for our family. 497 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: He still hasn't and it's been five got to find 498 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: a better husband. 499 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: My partner and I started dating in college and got 500 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: married after he graduated years later. I've always been the 501 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: driven one in the relationship and pushed him to take 502 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: school seriously and graduate. I came from a lower middle 503 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: class family and had a job since I was legally 504 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: able to work. I have always paid my cell phone, 505 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: bought my car, paid for my college by working full 506 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: time through school and taking classes when I could, or 507 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: taking out student loans to help. I can't remember a 508 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: time when I ever asked my parents for money, because 509 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: I knew they didn't have it. 510 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 2: My parents fought about money a lot. 511 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: By the way, this comes from Grow with Me twenty 512 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: two on the r slash. 513 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: Okay story Time Sepreddit. 514 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: Even in grade school, if I wanted to go to 515 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: the movies or shopping for school clothes, I worked and 516 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: paid for those. My partner grew up in a big 517 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: house and never really had to want for things, especially 518 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: after his dad remarried. He married into a family with 519 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: a lot of money, like one percent kind of money. 520 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: My partner went on insane trips, had a credit card 521 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: through school and everything paid for until he failed school 522 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: and his dad. 523 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 2: Kind of cut him off. 524 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah that's crazy having a credit card that someone else 525 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: pays for. Yeah, that's whoa. That's when I had to 526 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: step in and push him to finish. He would have 527 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: stayed out of school and worked at a restaurant had 528 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I not pushed him to finish. 529 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: Fast forward to us getting married. 530 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: We were living in a family member's rent house and 531 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: I didn't understand why we weren't focusing on buying home. 532 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: We started trying for a baby, and when we got pregnant, 533 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: I talked to him about how important it was to 534 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: have a place that was ours when we brought our 535 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: baby home. He would listen and agree, but never really 536 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: took any actionable steps towards saving or anything. 537 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: That's the thing. I think he has just a totally 538 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: different take on money, Yeah, and to different relationship to it. Yeah, 539 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: because I've talked rich people before and I'm like, you 540 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: don't know how to deal with money. Right, it's just 541 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: kind of always there for me. Yeah, they're just like 542 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about it, but sometimes you do, 543 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 2: know as you got it. 544 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't until I practically had a melt down and 545 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: found the house to look at and gave him an 546 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: ultimatum that we bought our first house. His job at 547 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: the time had him gone for weeks at a time, 548 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: which wasn't ideal with the new baby, so I started 549 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: talking to him about what his plans were so that 550 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: he could be home with us and work. He quit 551 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: his job and started working for a close family member 552 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: who ran a devil's lettuce grow making next to nothing, 553 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: and kept telling me that it was going to go somewhere, 554 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: that his boss had him on the path to make 555 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: six figures and that he would make commission on broker sales, 556 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: et cetera. Needless to say, this never happened. He was 557 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: able to get our kids on insurance paid for by 558 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: the company, and since our cars were used for work, 559 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: he was able to have the car payment paid for 560 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: by the company. I was working in a very competitive 561 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: industry which had me gone a lot, so our child 562 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: went to daycare around three months old. I hated my job, 563 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: but I was the breadwinner, and I felt like I 564 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: was trapped, even though it was a super toxic. 565 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: Environment and not good for my mental health. 566 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: I spoke with my partner regularly about this, and he 567 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: promised that he was looking for jobs related to his degree, 568 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: which would have paid much more, but he could never 569 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: find anything. This went on for years. He is still 570 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: looking for a job. Five years later, during the pandemic, 571 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: I was able to secure a work from home job, 572 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: making more money than I was before, and it's such 573 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: a better environment. 574 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: But this is where the house of cards start to fall. 575 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: About a year ago, my partner comes home panicked because 576 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: the grow lost their license to grow the plants. 577 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: Oh that's important. 578 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: They lost it because he missed the deadline for renewal. 579 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: It's dude, he had to let everyone go. The business 580 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: was not bringing in revenue and actually lost thousands of 581 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: dollars because they had to destroy everything currently in the 582 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: grow since legally they weren't supposed to have it. 583 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: Oh wow, sucks, wow, just smoke it all. There you go. Problems. 584 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: I don't like. We have to get rid of it. 585 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: When I was talking to him about it, I asked 586 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: him to really focus on getting a different job, because 587 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: he said something along the lines of I wasn't really 588 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: trying before, like I told you, Yeah, Like this time 589 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: i'll actually do it because before. 590 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: I wasn't doing anything. I actually was like twenty percent 591 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: this I'm fully right. Even though I told you I 592 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: was looking for a job, it wasn't. So this time 593 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: it'll be different. Actually don't work for years. 594 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: I came home crying, stressed out and upset because I 595 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: was so miserable at my job, and he was lying 596 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: to me about trying to find a job so that 597 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: I could get out of my current position. I cried 598 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: to him about not getting to see my baby because 599 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: they were asleep when I left early in the morning 600 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: and asleep when I got home late at night. And 601 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: he was lying to me about trying to find a 602 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: job so that he could help with the burden of 603 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: financial security. 604 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: That's so upsetting. I don't like this guy for years 605 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: years year. She brought it up years ago. That's insane. 606 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: It's been a year and he still has not found 607 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: a job. Oh, so he's actually looking now. 608 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 2: And he's actually looked later. It's not doing His active 609 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: looking is bad. It's so bad. 610 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: He spent eight months leaving in the morning and going 611 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: to his family member's house to help with odd end 612 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: jobs and acted like he was still working, only to 613 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: find out two months ago that he was not getting 614 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: a paycheck anymore. 615 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: That's insane. 616 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: You have a child, You have a child's a fam 617 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: need to contribute to. I asked him to help me 618 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: come up with a budget, take finance classes because he. 619 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: Has no idea how to manage finances. 620 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: I have investment accounts set up for our kids, a 621 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: four to oh one K, and short term investment accounts 622 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: for us. I have a small emergency fund. He doesn't 623 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: even have a savings account. This past year has been 624 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: super challenging for me mentally, and I've gotten on antidepressants 625 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: to help manage the anxiety and depression. I felt this 626 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: is such a long story, shorten it a bit. We 627 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: had to open a new bank account because my partner's 628 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: paycheck was coming from a business that is not federally legal. 629 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: Our bank account sent us a letter with a cashier's 630 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: check with our entire bank account asking us to not 631 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: try and open an account with them again. You have 632 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: rejected by a bank, he said, here is your money back. 633 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: We don't want to thank you. 634 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: My partner went and opened an account that approves, but 635 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: because I was working, he set the account up and 636 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: I was not initially at it. I asked him to 637 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: please just help manage our finances since I was handling 638 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: everything up. I found out a few weeks ago that 639 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: he was no longer getting a paycheck, that he let 640 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: our homeowners insurance renew without looking at the new feet, 641 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: that he started secretly charging their health insurance to his 642 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: credit card and. 643 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: Making our car payment. But you know what's never a 644 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: secret is us going live on. 645 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: YouTube every weekday at three pm PSD. 646 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: If you want to join it, just tap our profile, 647 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: tap it or tap it any final final class four. 648 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: Leave him, leave him. He's adding literally nothing, and you've 649 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 2: you've been dealing with this for five years. 650 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: He's actually taking away, he's taking, He's taking and taking. 651 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sick of that seed. 652 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: I have been busting my butt and making the most 653 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: money I've ever made in my life, and we are 654 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: living paycheck to paycheck because he lied to me about 655 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: an additional two thousand dollars a month that we were spending, 656 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: and leaving out the fact that he was no longer 657 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: getting paid. Not only that, every single thing he does 658 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: he has to ask me about, like he has no 659 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: intuition or initiative to do things on his own. I 660 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: don't know how to move forward. I can't trust him 661 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: if he's not lying, he's being vague and leaving stuff out. 662 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: I just feel resentful and like I'm drowning, like I'm 663 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: just watching all of my goals sink under the weight 664 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: of his decisions. I am burnt out and lonely, like 665 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing this all alone and he's just an extra 666 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: child that I have to plan for. 667 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 2: And that's the end. That's so sorry. Yeah, you need 668 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 2: to leave him? Yeah, yeah, I mean at least I 669 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: think that is the best plan, best way forward, because 670 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: he's just he's not contributing. You're stressed out because you 671 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: have to explain everything to him. Yes, and he's just 672 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: like another child that is also just actively taking all 673 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: of your money. Right, you have to do and pay 674 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: for everything. Yeah, you have to fix all his mistakes. 675 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: Yes, And it's just like, yeah, I feel like you 676 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: just say, like you know, either step it up or 677 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm out here. Yeah, I feel like this can't decisionly 678 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: against ultimatoms. 679 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: But this feels like a person. Yeah, it's like you 680 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: read time. This is not working anymore. I feel like 681 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: I am alone in this partnership. 682 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: Yes, and I can't financially pay for us because I'm 683 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: living paycheck. 684 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: Don't want to live like that anymore. 685 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: We have a child, so peace out, deal with it 686 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: on your own. I'll see you when I drop off 687 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: the kids. 688 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, but that is the end of 689 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: that story. That's the end, and that's the end of 690 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: the episode. So if you love us, make sure to 691 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: subscribe We love you and see it tomorrow. My sister 692 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: tried to steal my wedding dress, so I destroyed her 693 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: bridesmade dress and for an eye and a dress for 694 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: a dress. I twenty three female, and my sister twenty 695 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: five female, are both due to be married soon, or 696 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: at least I am foreshadowing. My sister's boyfriend of three 697 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: years told my parents he plans to propose to her soon, 698 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: and my sister Jane has been picking up on hints 699 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: that he is and been wanting to be included in 700 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: marriage conversation and is already planning her wedding, so she 701 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: hasn't even been proposed to but she's like, well, I 702 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: might as well get ahead. By the way, this comes 703 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: from no Tank five three to two on the Okay 704 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: storytime subreddit. So my fiance proposed to me six months ago. 705 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm absolutely elated and cannot wait to marry this man. 706 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: Wedding planning has gone smoothly so far, with Jane being 707 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: a little bit nosy. But I just assume. But I 708 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: just assumed she was so excited, so I brushed it off. 709 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: For some context, my sister Jane has always had some 710 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: jealousy issues and held some resentment towards me for being 711 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: the favorite, spoiled youngest child. 712 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: Growing up. 713 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: She was put under a lot of pressure by her 714 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: parents to be perfect. Well, I could be more carefree 715 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: and seem to get what I want. I understand where 716 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: she's coming from. But because of this she can't. She 717 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: can treat me badly sometimes. I was a bit cautious 718 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: at first. I was afraid Jane was going to throw 719 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: a fit or something about me being engaged before her, 720 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: but she didn't. I dismissed her nosiness as excitement. I mean, 721 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: with her boyfriend dropping so many hints to her, who 722 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't be a bit nosy about someone else's wedding. I 723 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: also included her in my bridal party. I made her 724 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: one of my bridesmaids, so she was over the moon 725 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: about that, and I thought her sibling relationship was improving. 726 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: I was wrong, though, no alas no. I decided to 727 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: go wedding dress shopping with my mom and my sister 728 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: a little over two weeks ago. This was super exciting 729 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: for me. I've been picturing the perfect wedding dress for 730 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: myself for the longest time. Now. Shopping was amazing. I 731 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: thought like a princess the entire time, and both my 732 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: mom and Jane seemed genuinely supportive the entire time. Well, 733 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 2: after many hours of shopping, I found the perfect dress. 734 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: It made me feel absolutely beautiful, and honestly, it's everything 735 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: I wanted. It was one hundred percent yes the first 736 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 2: time I tried it on, and honestly fit perfectly in 737 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: my budget. I noticed Jane was just as in love 738 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: with the dresses I was. She showered me with dozens 739 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 2: of compliments and almost seemed too happy I was buying it. 740 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: I shrugged it off, though, I was just happy to 741 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: be supported by my sister. I don't think Jane's behavior 742 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: was strange until the night after when she talked to 743 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 2: or she asked to talk with me. She said she 744 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: had talked with her boyfriend and after doing some thinking, 745 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: she said that she wanted to re wear my wedding 746 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: dress for her wedding. She said it would be more 747 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: efficient and good for her budget since we're the same 748 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: size and my wedding dress ticked all of her boxes. 749 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: I was shocked at this. Maybe I'm selfish or greedy, 750 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: but the whole point of my wedding dress and experience 751 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: is it's my wedding dress uniquely for me. 752 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 753 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: I get that people will have the same wedding dress, 754 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: but I don't want, of all people, my sister to 755 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: wear the same wedding dress as me. It honestly felt 756 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: like she was trying to steal the spotlight from me 757 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: in some way. I told her that she could get 758 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: a wedding dress in a similar style to mine if 759 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: she wanted, or even buy the same dress. I wouldn't 760 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: like this, but whatever, but I wasn't going to let 761 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: her re wear my wedding dress because it's mine and 762 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: it represents my experience. And honestly, I told her if 763 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: it felt like she was trying to steal my spotlight again. 764 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: She got very upset at this. She said that since 765 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 2: we're sisters, we should be sharing stuff like this, and 766 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: she said she thought her relationship was improving. I accused 767 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: her of faking her tears and just trying to steal 768 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: the spotlight from me again. I said some mean things 769 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: I regret, and called her cheap for not just getting 770 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: her own wedding dress, and I told her she can't 771 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: plan for a wedding she's not even sure is happening yet. 772 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: She repeated some of the stuff she said before and 773 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: cried a little bit more of crocodile tears. But after 774 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 2: I didn't breack down, she basically was like, okay, if 775 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: that's what you want, and I assumed our fight was over. 776 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: She was a little bit cold to me for the 777 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: next few days, but sometimes she can be like that, 778 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: so I paid no mind to it. Well, I was 779 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: wrong about the fight being over. About one week ago, 780 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 2: I looked in the storage room at my mom's house 781 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: where my dress was being kept, and it was gone. Obviously, 782 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: this made me completely flip my crap. I looked everywhere 783 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 2: in the house top to bottom and I couldn't find it. 784 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: My mom and my sister were the only ones who 785 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: knew where the dress was being kept, so I went 786 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 2: to question them. Both both of them said they had 787 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 2: no idea where it was. I grilled my sister a 788 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 2: bit harder, since she has a tendency to lie about 789 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 2: stuff like this sometimes, but she genuinely seemed like she 790 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: didn't know where it was. I was about to have 791 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: a panic attack over this. I looked for three hours 792 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 2: by myself. My mom and my fiance were at work, 793 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 2: and my sister was out with her boyfriend. I thought, 794 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: I looked everywhere until I took a break to eat lunch. 795 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: The trash was full, so I took it out and 796 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 2: lo and behold, what's in the dumpster? My wedding dress? 797 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe dang so that Yeah, no, your sister's fullying 798 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: the wrong. Yeah, fully in the wrong. 799 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 3: True, But maybe your sister wouldn't have slam dunk your 800 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 3: wedding dress into the dumpster if you weren't slam dunking 801 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 3: on her about not being engaged. 802 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: But I feel like that before it was like yay, 803 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 2: like we don't have to go that low, But now 804 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 2: she went like she dug six feet under she did. 805 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 3: And now I gotta say that I understand. Maybe why 806 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 3: you're slam dunking on your saving makes sense. 807 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: Why we have this kind of tumultuous relationship. 808 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 3: That's crazy. You guys might both be a fault. 809 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 2: Here in a trash gunk on it, but nothing that 810 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 2: couldn't be washed out. So thankfully it was okay. I 811 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 2: am so glad it turned out okay. But I was pissed. 812 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: Who would put my perfect dream dress in the dumpster 813 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 2: with all the trash? Deep down I knew it, but 814 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: I didn't want to believe my sister would do that 815 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 2: to me. Well, surprisingly, the moment I called my sister, 816 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 2: she confessed she didn't seem to regret it either. She 817 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 2: just said if she couldn't wear my dress, I didn't 818 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 2: deserve to wear it either. Wow. And she said if 819 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 2: she could do it again, she would. Jane told me 820 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: the dress is completely fine, so I can't be that mad, 821 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 2: And she said that I'm used to getting what I 822 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: want all the time, so she was just trying to 823 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: put me in my place. She said she didn't actually 824 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 2: intend to throw away the dress, but she did throw 825 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 2: away the dress. 826 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 3: She's like, I didn't look I didn't. She's just freestyling, 827 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 3: all right, and it kind of the moment got it happened. 828 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 3: I put your dress in the dump. It's called improvisation. 829 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 3: It can't even be mad because you got. 830 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 2: It back and was going to take it out of 831 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 2: the garbage if I didn't find it. I don't believe her. 832 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: I do regret my actions after this. I will admit 833 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: I mostly acted out of rage, and I can be 834 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 2: an impulsive person when I'm angry. Right after I hung 835 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 2: up the phone with my sister, I grabbed a pair 836 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 2: of kitchen scissors, ran up to her room where she 837 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 2: was keeping her bridesmaid's dress that she spent five hundred 838 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 2: dollars on, and took scissors to it. I ripped it 839 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,439 Speaker 2: with my hands too. I absolutely destroyed her dress until 840 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 2: it didn't look like a dress anymore. I went back 841 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 2: to my apartment after this and have not spoken to 842 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 2: my sister since. My mom is pissed at me. I've 843 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 2: been pissed at you too. She's pissed at my sister too, 844 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: but she thinks I should have handled the situation more maturely, 845 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 2: because two wrongs don't make a right. She thinks I 846 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 2: should have had a proper talk with my sister about 847 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 2: boundaries instead of jumping straight to ruining her bridesmaid dress 848 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 2: that she loved so much and spent a lot of 849 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 2: money on. My fiance is mostly on my side, but 850 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: thinks it was silly of me to destroy a bride'smaid 851 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 2: dress that's supposed to be for my own wedding. By 852 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 2: the way, you can join us live every weekday on YouTube, Facebook, 853 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 2: and TikTok. Just top her profile just three pmpst. 854 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 3: We could be live right now. 855 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 2: Both my sister and her boyfriend are pissed at me, 856 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 2: and my sister spanned my phone with texts disinvited me 857 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 2: for of her future wedding. So I guess I lost 858 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 2: one of my bridesmaids and maybe more because my sister 859 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 2: is spreading rumors that I'm psycho to the rest of 860 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 2: the bridal party. Okay, are there rumors? Yeah, they're true. 861 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 3: I mean going straight to you've recovered your wedding dress 862 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 3: from it's fine, it's relatively okay. Yeah, then you go 863 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 3: destroyed beyond any hope of repair. Yeah, your sister's dood. 864 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 2: You can't do anything about it. 865 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 3: You've now escalated the fight. 866 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't even know my side because I didn't 867 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: even let them know about the situation because I was embarrassed. 868 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 2: I do regret my actions, but I'm very upset with 869 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 2: my sister and think I'm a bit justified in what 870 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 2: I did. You mess with my dress and I'll mess 871 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 2: with yours? Am I the a hole? You're all the 872 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 2: a hole. You guys both kind of suck. Yeah, you 873 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 2: guys suck. The problem here isn't even this fight. 874 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 3: This fight is happening from a what I'm going to 875 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 3: assume is a culmination of things that have happened. 876 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 2: Over over their whole childhood lifetime. I think they both 877 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: think that they're the golden child. 878 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, clearly there's a dynamic between the two of 879 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 3: them where they're like flying for attention, right, They're trying 880 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 3: to constantly, they're trying to get up, like get one 881 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 3: up on each other. 882 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. Instead of just. 883 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 3: Being like we're sisters, love each other, they're like, you're 884 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 3: my sister, Get you loser. 885 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 2: Sisters by chance, enemies by choice, that's what's going on here. 886 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah, they put that one on the quotables. 887 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 3: Sisters by chance, enemies by choice. You watch them take 888 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 3: turns just dunking on each. 889 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: Other, dunking straight dunking. 890 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 3: My sister wants to reconcile with her cheater X. I'm 891 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 3: fed up with both of them at this point. 892 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed. 893 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 3: How are you gonna get back with the Cheetowski Man? 894 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:52,439 Speaker 2: Hi? 895 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 3: Everyone, this is the first time I've ever posted on Reddit, 896 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 3: but I've been a listener of the show for years. 897 00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 3: I need advice on what to do with my little 898 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 3: s twenty three female. My sister Kelsey recently went through 899 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 3: a divorce from her husband of almost two years. None 900 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 3: of the family liked him before they got married because 901 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 3: he had controlling tendencies and there could be a whole 902 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 3: other post of the red flags that she missed and 903 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 3: was overall not a good person. 904 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: By the way. 905 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 3: This comes from user new Girl four four four on 906 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 3: the r slash Okay storytime, So I read it so 907 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 3: my parents. My parents' relationship with Kelsey was also strained 908 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 3: because she moved him into her apartment while they were dating. 909 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 3: I should note that my parents were paying for her 910 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 3: tuition and apartment at that time, and their rule was 911 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 3: that they would not be financing us living with our partners, 912 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 3: we could live with them when we paid our own expenses. 913 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 3: My sister kept asking if she could move him in 914 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 3: and they kept saying no, so she moved him in secretly. 915 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 3: When they got caught, he made Kelsey deal with it 916 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 3: by herself and then tried to trash our parents on 917 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 3: social media because they stopped paying for the apartment. Like 918 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 3: I said, strained relationship, but there was some creativity when 919 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,479 Speaker 3: he was around. For not creativity ctiviility, my parents would 920 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 3: get him the same number of presents as everyone else 921 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 3: for Christmas, and my dad would try to talk to 922 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: him about his job. Around June, he called her while 923 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 3: he was away for work and said that he wanted 924 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 3: a divorce. He said it was because he wanted to 925 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 3: work his new job without having to worry about a 926 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 3: wife and responsibilities back home. She called me that night 927 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 3: distraw and I drove two hours at midnight to be there. 928 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 3: When I was with Kelsey helping her pack, it was 929 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 3: discovered that her husband's real reasoning behind the divorce was 930 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 3: that he was cheating with his new boss's daughter. He 931 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 3: sent her a snapchat that said on the phone getting 932 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 3: a divorce Go team. They had multiple photos sent to 933 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 3: each other, and whole conversations about a love compatibility test 934 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 3: that they took. My family and I helped move her 935 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 3: back home, trying to be as supportive as possible. Kelsey 936 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 3: and I decided to rent a house together so that 937 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 3: our dogs could have a backyard and it would save 938 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 3: us some money. A week after we signed the lease, 939 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 3: which is a month after the divorce was finalized, her 940 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 3: ex husband messaged her stating that he messed up and 941 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 3: wanted her back after his relationship ended with the boss' daughter. 942 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 3: She has been talking to him again and lying about 943 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 3: seeing her friend Reagan when she's actually going to see him. 944 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 3: She didn't know that I knew the truth until recently 945 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 3: because I was hoping that this was a fleeting decision. 946 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 3: Kelsey is an individual who if you disagree with her decisions, 947 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 3: she will double down. She has been trying to drop 948 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 3: hints in our conversation since we moved to try and 949 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,240 Speaker 3: support him, like all men cheat, which is not true. 950 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 3: It's not true, uh, and God loves everyone no matter 951 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 3: what they've done. I've had to come back with examples 952 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 3: to dissuade her statements like our brother and our dad 953 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 3: have never cheated. God can still love someone but not 954 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,439 Speaker 3: have them in his vicinity because their actions have consequences 955 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 3: aka sending them to the to the bad place. Everything 956 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 3: came to a head last weekend when we finally talked 957 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 3: about it. She kept saying that she needs to see 958 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 3: if she can make her marriage work for herself, and 959 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 3: who's to say he can't change to what she needs 960 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 3: him to be. I kept saying that I get that 961 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 3: she had so much love for him, but he didn't 962 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 3: have love for her, and he wouldn't have cheated and 963 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 3: broken up their marriage over the phone. It won't work 964 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,720 Speaker 3: out the way she wants it to. People don't change 965 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 3: that fundamentally in two months. I don't know how to 966 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 3: get through to her that her self worth is so 967 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 3: much more than going back to a cheater who ended 968 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 3: things over a phone call. There are seven billion people 969 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,479 Speaker 3: in the world, and she wants to stick with this one. 970 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 3: I also told her that I don't want her bringing 971 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 3: him over to our shared home. I loathe him and 972 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 3: don't trust him as far as I can throw him. 973 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 3: I genuinely believe he would do something to me, my 974 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 3: stuff or my dog to get me to move out 975 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 3: so he could move in and mooch off of Kelsey again. 976 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 3: We have not had a conversation unless it pertains to 977 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 3: the house. Since that conversation, she asked me if I'm 978 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 3: really going to ice her out, and I explained that 979 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 3: I'm not icing her out, but I'm going to pretend that, 980 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 3: but I'm not going to pretend that I support what 981 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 3: she's doing to be all buddy buddy with her. I 982 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 3: am so angry that she just kept lying to my 983 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 3: face to sneak off to see him and then would 984 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 3: be totally okay with it. She justifies it by saying 985 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: that she knew this is how I would I was 986 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 3: going to react. I told her that it doesn't make 987 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 3: it right. Lying straight to my face and getting mad 988 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 3: when I would ask questions is not okay if you 989 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 3: think having him back in your life is such a 990 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 3: good decision. I told her, I'm setting the boundary that 991 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 3: if she has him in her life, then I'm gonna 992 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 3: take a step back. I will treat her as a roommate, 993 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 3: but I will not go out of my way to 994 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 3: hang out with her. I stood up for her the 995 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 3: first time and supported her even when I didn't like 996 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 3: the relationship. But I don't think I can mentally do 997 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,240 Speaker 3: it again. I was stuck playing mediator in my family 998 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 3: and having to watch this man treat her poorly over 999 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 3: and over again. So am I I the a hole 1000 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 3: for telling her it won't work out the way that 1001 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 3: she wants it to and acting like she's just a roommate. 1002 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 3: Any advice on the situation would be greatly appreciated, And 1003 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 3: by the way, I would greatly appreciate it if you 1004 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 3: join us when we go live every weekday on YouTube, Facebook, 1005 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,479 Speaker 3: and Twitch and TikTok at three pm PST. Just tap 1006 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 3: our profile and we might even be live right now. 1007 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,479 Speaker 3: Are you the A hole? Op? No? But but okay, 1008 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 3: well let me get you go go ahead? 1009 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 2: No, you go ahead. 1010 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I feel like completely icing her 1011 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 3: out and turning her from your sister into like a 1012 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 3: roommate that you don't even really want to hang out with. 1013 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 3: That's kind of an a hole move and it's not 1014 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 3: gonna help you. Yeah, the only thing that's gonna do 1015 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,959 Speaker 3: is make her run faster back into this dude's arms. 1016 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well I was gonna say. Yeah. I think 1017 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 2: I was gonna say no for talk like saying, hey, 1018 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 2: you shouldn't, you know, be doing that, you shouldn't be 1019 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 2: getting back together with him. But I also agree, I 1020 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,840 Speaker 2: don't think you have to treat her like a roommate 1021 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 2: unless it's actively, like, unless she's uh, go, like pushing 1022 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 2: past your boundaries and bringing the guy home all the time. Yes, 1023 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 2: at that point, then you can be like, you know what, 1024 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 2: our relationship is not working. You're not you know, listening 1025 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 2: to me and my boundaries. 1026 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 3: Although you know what, now that I'm thinking about it, 1027 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 3: I can see why she would be that upset about 1028 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 3: because she I think where the core of Op's issues 1029 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 3: coming from is that her sister was lying to her 1030 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 3: about meeting up with this guy. She was saying she 1031 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 3: was going somewhere else. Yeah. And it's like, if you've 1032 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 3: ever helped like a friend like through like a toxic 1033 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 3: like situation like this, yeah, it can get really frustrating 1034 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 3: when it's like. 1035 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 2: I have been in situations where you're like, stop doing that, 1036 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,919 Speaker 2: iying about it. 1037 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I can't deal with this anymore. 1038 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like you can. 1039 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 3: So I can get being that upset about it. But 1040 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 3: at the same time, from my point of view, my 1041 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 3: perspective is only with friends because I'm have any siblings, 1042 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 3: So I just can't imagine like fully icing out your 1043 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 3: sister in this moment when clearly that's going to accelerate 1044 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 3: the issue that she's having. I think it's pretty clear. 1045 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 2: I don't think I would ever ice my sibling out 1046 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 2: for this behavior. But I also, like, as you kind 1047 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 2: of experienced, I also have friends where I've had to 1048 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 2: go through this constant like don't do that. Maybe we 1049 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 2: should not, you know, maybe we should move on from 1050 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 2: that person. But I don't think I would ice them out. 1051 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 2: But I also think there's only so much you can 1052 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 2: do to help them, and at a certain point it 1053 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 2: becomes exhausting on your end. 1054 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 3: I think maybe should from having a conversation of position 1055 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 3: to a passive one would be good. 1056 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's like, Okay, you know what, I 1057 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 2: can't help you. I can't give you advice if you're 1058 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 2: not going to take it. We're still sisters, but I 1059 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 2: you know, please don't come to me anymore about this 1060 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 2: because you're not listening to man exactly. I think that 1061 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 2: conversation could be had where you express your boundaries and 1062 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 2: say you're not helping yourself. But I think unless she 1063 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 2: was bringing the person home and actively affecting your life, 1064 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 2: and you know that would be the only case where 1065 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 2: I think like literally icing out. 1066 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 3: So you're on the right track. Ope, you're a little stinky, 1067 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 3: just step far. 1068 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just stepped too far, too much. So let's see. 1069 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 3: Let's see how the story ends, so give it edit. 1070 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:27,839 Speaker 1: Uh. 1071 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 3: We decided to rent a place together where they're living now. 1072 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 3: I suppose I twenty five female, just finished grad school 1073 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,280 Speaker 3: and was previously living at home to avoid student loans. 1074 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,240 Speaker 3: Her name and mine are on a year long lease. 1075 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 3: Kelsey told my dad that she was talking to her 1076 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 3: ex again before anyone else, and he told her that 1077 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 3: she better not tell our ex where we were moving. 1078 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 3: I had bought security cameras for the house when we 1079 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 3: first moved in, mainly to make sure the dogs didn't 1080 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 3: tear up stuff and for security purposes. Kelsey told me 1081 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 3: it was dumb to spend my money on them, and 1082 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 3: kind of threw a hissy fit. A few nights later, 1083 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 3: she asked for access to the cameras to watch quote 1084 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 3: the funny dog videos, and I brushed her off because 1085 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 3: she was being sketchy about it. She never asked about 1086 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,280 Speaker 3: them again, and some have speculated that the ex lost 1087 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 3: his job, but according to Kelsey, he was just moved 1088 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 3: to a different part of the company. He worked in 1089 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,839 Speaker 3: the same department as the boss's daughter, and that's how 1090 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,799 Speaker 3: they met. I don't know if he will stay at 1091 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 3: that job because he's had around five different ones while 1092 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,760 Speaker 3: he was with Kelsey. He's currently staying with a friend. 1093 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 3: So and that is the end of that story. 1094 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 2: Dang, I got roped into cooking for my family and 1095 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 2: now my sister and I are fighting. English is not 1096 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 2: my first language, and this is what it translated. This 1097 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 2: is what was translated using AI. Also, this is my 1098 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 2: friend's story and she needs some outside perspective, but I 1099 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 2: will be telling it in first person to reproduce confusion 1100 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 2: and now hear some context. By the way, this comes 1101 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 2: from Least Clue seventy sixty eight on the Okay Storytime 1102 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 2: Separate It. So I come from a big family. I 1103 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,720 Speaker 2: live with my dad sixty one male, step mom fifty 1104 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 2: two female, sister twenty nine female, half brother twelve male, 1105 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:18,399 Speaker 2: and half sister fifteen female. My older brother thirty two male, 1106 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,839 Speaker 2: moved out, so it's just me and the rest of them. 1107 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,760 Speaker 2: I'm twenty five female. Okay, so we have dad, step mom, sister, 1108 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,040 Speaker 2: half brother, half sister. So this all started on a 1109 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,839 Speaker 2: particularly frustrating Thursday. I had planned to hang out with 1110 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,280 Speaker 2: my brother and his girlfriend, but due to some family 1111 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 2: drama involving my dad and brother think court issues and 1112 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 2: all that mess good duty, I was told to stay home. 1113 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 2: My dad wanted me to focus on studying instead. I 1114 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 2: understand why my dad wanted me to stay, so I obliged. 1115 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 2: Most of the day I was cooped up in my 1116 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 2: room while my dad popped in and out to check 1117 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 2: on me. Then came the moment that set everything off. 1118 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 2: My dad asked me to blend a box of tomatoes 1119 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 2: in the kitchen to prevent them from spoiling. My stepmom 1120 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 2: jokingly suggested I cook something while I was at it. 1121 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,280 Speaker 2: My jokingly that you mentioned making Joloff rice, but somehow 1122 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,399 Speaker 2: it turned into a serious task. I figured it might 1123 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,360 Speaker 2: as well. I might as well learn how to cook, 1124 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,760 Speaker 2: so after taking a shower, I headed downstairs to start prepping. However, 1125 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 2: I underestimated how challenging cooking could be. This is so 1126 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 2: great story is really funny. Something that's when things took 1127 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 2: a turn with my sister while cooking, and my sister 1128 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,520 Speaker 2: came downstairs and touched the pot I was using for 1129 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 2: the meat. Already stressed from trying to follow YouTube cooking tutorials, 1130 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 2: this upset me because the video's emphasized not to touch 1131 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 2: the pot or open the lid. 1132 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 3: Oh wait did she open the later? Did she just 1133 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 3: touch the pot? 1134 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,359 Speaker 2: When she did, I snapped and told her not to 1135 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 2: touch it again. Her response was defiant, I've touched it. 1136 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Who know? Oh no, here 1137 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:03,320 Speaker 2: we go, sy, I pushed her. Honestly, I was angry 1138 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 2: already and her touching the pot didn't make it better. 1139 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 2: This escalated quickly into an argument about respect and sibling dynamics. 1140 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 2: She accused me laughing at her, which confused me because 1141 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,280 Speaker 2: I was far from amused. I was stressed about cooking 1142 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 2: when I had no idea how to do it. Despite 1143 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,480 Speaker 2: trying to stay silent, we ended up yelling at each other, 1144 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 2: despite my efforts to stay quiet and just cook. It 1145 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,640 Speaker 2: felt like all that pent up frustration exploded right there 1146 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,640 Speaker 2: in the kitchen. We eventually went silent and just ended 1147 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:39,439 Speaker 2: up watching videos on our fer. A couple minutes later, 1148 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 2: my dad walked in and asked about how the rice 1149 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 2: was coming along. He then turned to my sister and 1150 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 2: asked what had happened. Apparently, my sister looked visibly angry, 1151 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 2: while I didn't. Obviously, I'm not gonna be mad and 1152 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 2: talk to my dad. My dad poor because he hasn't 1153 00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,799 Speaker 2: done anything to me. She started talking loudly about how 1154 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,600 Speaker 2: I been disrespectful and how she didn't appreciate being pushed 1155 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,760 Speaker 2: away from the pot. Despite my efforts to stay quiet 1156 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 2: and separate myself from the situation, we quickly escalated into 1157 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 2: yelling at each other. Needing to calm down, but still 1158 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,360 Speaker 2: focused on not letting my food burn. I stayed in 1159 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,360 Speaker 2: the kitchen while cutting on you as tears filled my 1160 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 2: eyes from pent up frustration. I cry when I'm angry. 1161 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,239 Speaker 2: It's my own personal curse. I told her not to 1162 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 2: come near me because I was holding a knife. I 1163 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 2: honestly wasn't meant as a threat. It was just a 1164 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,400 Speaker 2: statement of fact. But looking back, I realized that my 1165 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 2: tone might have sounded a threat. In an attempt to 1166 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,360 Speaker 2: defend myself further, I made another comment, you want me 1167 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 2: to make your hair right? This wasn't meant as an 1168 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 2: attack either. I was just pointing out how she could 1169 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 2: treat me poorly yet still expect help from me. Later, 1170 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,759 Speaker 2: she had stayed up l late doing my hair just 1171 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,799 Speaker 2: the night before, which I genuinely appreciated, but apparently I 1172 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,840 Speaker 2: complained what I did her hair. I honestly had no 1173 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,759 Speaker 2: idea that I did this. She said it made her 1174 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,920 Speaker 2: angry and that I was ungrateful. I wasn't, but I 1175 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 2: guess everyone is entitled to their own a bit. The 1176 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,840 Speaker 2: argument escalated even more when I threatened to damage her car, 1177 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 2: not seriously, it was just an empty threat out of 1178 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,839 Speaker 2: frustration that slipped out during a heated exchange. We were 1179 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,319 Speaker 2: both saying hurtful things. At this point, I brought up 1180 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,240 Speaker 2: how she often borrows money from me and called her broke. 1181 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,960 Speaker 2: She retaliated by bringing up my GPA, as if that 1182 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 2: somehow jestified her actions. At one point during this we 1183 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,240 Speaker 2: both ended up holding knives, not as an actual threat, 1184 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 2: but more as an unfortunate circumstance of being in the 1185 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,720 Speaker 2: kitchen while arguing. In an attempt to diffuse things further, 1186 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 2: I handed mine over to my stepmom while she still 1187 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,080 Speaker 2: held hers tightly. That's when things took a turn for 1188 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,360 Speaker 2: the worse. I grabbed her hand and threw the knife 1189 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 2: on the floor, and in a moment of anger and frustration, 1190 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 2: she bit down on one of my corn rows, hard 1191 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 2: enough that it hurt like hell I had stooped. I 1192 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 2: had stupid extensions attached to it, so it seemed more 1193 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 2: like a half up, half down cornrow style with a 1194 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 2: little bit of hair left out. In retaliation. Still caught 1195 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,439 Speaker 2: up in the heat of the moment, I grabbed her hair, 1196 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,240 Speaker 2: not sure if this matters, but cornrows two just without 1197 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,480 Speaker 2: the extension, and pulled hard without thinking about what might 1198 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 2: happen next. It wasn't until afterward that I realized I'd 1199 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,879 Speaker 2: unknowingly left her with a bald spot from where I'd 1200 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 2: yanked her hair so forcefully. I don't I didn't find 1201 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,719 Speaker 2: out until about thirty minutes later. She threatened again to 1202 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 2: cut off my hair and retaliation, since she had made 1203 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 2: my hair and I hadn't made hers yet. At this point, 1204 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,359 Speaker 2: realizing how out of control things had gotten, I caught 1205 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 2: myself yelling at my dad. I immediately apologized. When you 1206 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,960 Speaker 2: realize this, it made me stop talking entirely because I 1207 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,799 Speaker 2: noticed that I was yelling at everyone and needed to 1208 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 2: regain control over my anger. 1209 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,239 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, yelling at your dad was the moment you. 1210 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 2: Realized to fall on a minute, and not the knife. 1211 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,919 Speaker 3: Fight where you had to give the knife this step mom, 1212 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,239 Speaker 3: not when you were biting each other's hair off. 1213 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,720 Speaker 2: I think this is funny because this all started again. 1214 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,400 Speaker 2: Opie was just trying to make some breaks. Yeah, just 1215 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,840 Speaker 2: trying to be like, what imagine if I made literally 1216 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 2: never go into the kitchen when Opie's in the kitchen. 1217 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 2: I guess that's the lesson, and Honeybee says, and how 1218 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,239 Speaker 2: old are these children? Twenty five and twenty nine? 1219 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty five and yeah, twenty nine. 1220 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,919 Speaker 2: My sister still kept talking, but I kept quiet because 1221 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,320 Speaker 2: I really didn't want to keep going. Eventually, my stepmom 1222 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 2: took me aside on the stairwell for a talk about 1223 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,879 Speaker 2: after everything calmed down slightly. She emphasized that since I'm 1224 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 2: the younger sister, I shouldn't disrespect my older sister like that. 1225 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,799 Speaker 2: Her words stung because they made me feel like no 1226 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,880 Speaker 2: one really cared about me, and all everyone wanted to 1227 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,479 Speaker 2: do was console my sister. I still felt guilty about 1228 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,719 Speaker 2: everything that had happened, and I mentioned that I would apologize, 1229 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,759 Speaker 2: but I was advised not to apologize that day Thursday. 1230 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,560 Speaker 2: This is important. I decided it would be better for 1231 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,960 Speaker 2: both of us if we cooled off first before addressing 1232 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,759 Speaker 2: everything again. I finished cooking in silence and went to bed, 1233 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 2: still feeling tense. The next day, Friday, despite intending to 1234 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,439 Speaker 2: braid her hair as usual, as something we often did, 1235 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,560 Speaker 2: I decided i'd against it given all the tension between us. 1236 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,800 Speaker 2: Planning to apologize later when she calmed down seemed wise 1237 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,560 Speaker 2: at first, However, this only backfired as she grew angrier 1238 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,279 Speaker 2: throughout the day. While things were still tense at home, 1239 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,279 Speaker 2: my mom called me out of nowhere. She asked how 1240 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 2: things were going and if I'd talked to my sister yet. 1241 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,200 Speaker 2: When I explain what happened during her fight and how 1242 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 2: things had been since then, she told me that I 1243 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 2: should apologize, but not right away. What is that? Why 1244 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,479 Speaker 2: is everyone waiting? She suggested, waiting until everyone had calmed 1245 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 2: down a bit more before trying to talk things through 1246 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,240 Speaker 2: with my sister. I thought this made sense, since emotions 1247 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,040 Speaker 2: were still running high after everything that had happened just yesterday, 1248 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,040 Speaker 2: and I decided I would talk. I would talk to 1249 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,040 Speaker 2: her tomorrow, which would have been Saturday. But around eight 1250 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 2: pm that evening, she stormed into my room, yelling and 1251 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,760 Speaker 2: showing me a picture of her hair. It was bad. 1252 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,720 Speaker 2: I had no idea it was that bad, and stating 1253 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,040 Speaker 2: that she'd cut my hair and declared that we were 1254 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,040 Speaker 2: no longer sisters. I was about to apologize, but decided 1255 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,160 Speaker 2: against it, as I was told to stay quiet and 1256 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,800 Speaker 2: apologize when she calms down. I came to the conclusion 1257 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,920 Speaker 2: that any form of speech for me would escalate escalate 1258 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 2: things further, so I stayed quiet and allowed her to 1259 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 2: yell before she stormed out of my room. Eventually, after 1260 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 2: some time passed, maybe three to five minutes, my stepmom 1261 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,720 Speaker 2: suggested it might be a good time for me to apologize, 1262 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,480 Speaker 2: contrary to previous advice that my dad, mom and stepmom 1263 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 2: had given about leaving things alone for now, so I 1264 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 2: decided to go downstairs, intending to apologize for everything to 1265 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 2: happen between us earlier. She was talking to her dad 1266 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 2: when I got downstairs, so I waited till they were 1267 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,520 Speaker 2: done before I approached her with an apology. Despite her 1268 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 2: anger and yelling at me, still, I remained calm and 1269 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 2: kept apologizing. I basically stood there and said sorry over 1270 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 2: and over again while she yelled at me. After about 1271 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,120 Speaker 2: two minutes of this, my dad tells me to leave, 1272 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,520 Speaker 2: so I go back upstairs and decide to send the 1273 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,720 Speaker 2: message that had already typed up. Here's the text that 1274 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:56,400 Speaker 2: I sent her. 1275 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,760 Speaker 3: Up, so you should have just texted her earlier. 1276 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,920 Speaker 2: Send it sorry about everything that happened. I let my 1277 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,200 Speaker 2: stress about cooking and not being able to understand the 1278 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,920 Speaker 2: YouTube videos get to me, and I shouldn't have taken 1279 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,720 Speaker 2: it out on you. I shouldn't have acted like that 1280 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 2: when you touched the pot. I was just trying to 1281 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 2: follow what these cooking videos said, and I was angry 1282 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 2: that you touched the pot. I didn't even realize how 1283 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 2: far things had gotten until it was too late. And 1284 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,360 Speaker 2: then when you started yelling about disrespect and me laughing 1285 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,479 Speaker 2: at you, which honestly I wasn't, I didn't handle it well. 1286 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 2: I shut down and decided that ignoring you instead of 1287 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 2: fighting and trying to talk it out would be better. 1288 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,920 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have pulled your hair, but I only did 1289 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,720 Speaker 2: that because you were biting my hair, and I know 1290 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,000 Speaker 2: that was way out of line, and I really am 1291 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,800 Speaker 2: sorry for that. I didn't know how much damage I 1292 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,040 Speaker 2: did until you showed me this evening. I also shouldn't 1293 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 2: have brought up money or any of the things I said. 1294 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,200 Speaker 2: It was petty and hurtful, and I regret saying it. 1295 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,960 Speaker 2: I was just trying to defend myself, and I'm sorry 1296 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,600 Speaker 2: for that. I also shouldn't have threatened to do anything 1297 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 2: to your car either. That was just meaning dramatic and stupid. 1298 00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,960 Speaker 2: I appreciate everything you do for me, and you stay 1299 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 2: awake to do my hair. I shouldn't have acted like 1300 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 2: I was too good to help you out, or that 1301 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 2: I wasn't going to do your hair. I actually was, 1302 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,000 Speaker 2: and at that time saying that just felt right. I 1303 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 2: realized I was being unfair, and I'm sorry. By the way, 1304 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,160 Speaker 2: we would never be sorry. If you joined us live 1305 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,920 Speaker 2: every week to three pmpst on YouTube, Facebook, TikTok, and Twitch, 1306 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,600 Speaker 2: just top your profile. 1307 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,320 Speaker 3: You will be sorry. We could be live right now. 1308 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 2: And there is a little bit more, but uh. 1309 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 3: This is just like a the snowball just like rolled 1310 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,880 Speaker 3: out of control. 1311 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,400 Speaker 2: And now there's like rocks in the snowball. 1312 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's icy and it was the size of 1313 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 3: a suv and by the time it got out of 1314 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,720 Speaker 3: the bottom of it done, they're holding knives, they're biting 1315 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,360 Speaker 3: corn rows. There's knives in the snowball too. H Yeah, 1316 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,520 Speaker 3: it's like I think that I still can't get over that. 1317 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,480 Speaker 3: That was Like it was like when I when I 1318 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,280 Speaker 3: yelled at my dad for no reason. That's when I 1319 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,880 Speaker 3: realized it was too far. It wasn't when you were 1320 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 3: at each other, going at each other with knives. 1321 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,160 Speaker 2: Biting each other's hair. 1322 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,000 Speaker 3: Second time the fight started after you guys backed off 1323 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,160 Speaker 3: and then started it again. 1324 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe, Yeah. 1325 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,040 Speaker 3: This was I think this is a great example of 1326 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,040 Speaker 3: like again, where it's like they just kept going low. Yes, 1327 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,320 Speaker 3: someone just needs to go high one time and just 1328 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 3: be like, I don't care. 1329 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 2: A story of sisters going away too low. 1330 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,320 Speaker 3: I don't care. What are you gonna do about it? Nothing, 1331 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 3: because I don't care. Boom. The entire fight is diffuse, 1332 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,200 Speaker 3: It doesn't even happen diffused. It's yeah, I'm not gonna 1333 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 3: do anyth about it because I'm too busy cooking done. 1334 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,040 Speaker 3: But just if you ever find yourself in this like uh, 1335 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,120 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of like It's like a critical 1336 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,480 Speaker 3: mass situation where it just keeps it just keeps on going. 1337 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:51,000 Speaker 2: This it's like arcane with the gemstones and if they like, 1338 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,560 Speaker 2: if they keep hitting things and they're like getting more 1339 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,920 Speaker 2: and more put powerful and stuff, and then they blow up. 1340 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,000 Speaker 3: But there's a little bit left, yea, let's finish it up. 1341 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 2: So that's how everything unfolded over these two days up 1342 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 2: until now. Honestly, I'm a little conflicted because I honestly 1343 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,800 Speaker 2: feel that we were both a holes for the situation, 1344 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,400 Speaker 2: But reddit am I the a hole for how things 1345 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,600 Speaker 2: went done? Edit to add, Okay, I'm pretty sure I 1346 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,480 Speaker 2: said the age was modified, and I guess that has 1347 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 2: caused a bit of confusion in most places. At least, 1348 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 2: here are the real ages. My friend's sister is twenty 1349 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,960 Speaker 2: one female, my friend is nineteen females. I didn't know 1350 01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,480 Speaker 2: modifying the ages that much would cause this much confusion. 1351 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 2: I apologize. 1352 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's like, how are you doing this when 1353 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,720 Speaker 3: you're twenty nine? 1354 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 2: And also they're all living together and when they're twenty 1355 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 2: five and twenty nine. And also I was confused about 1356 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 2: that because Opie kept saying, like I'm in school, I'm 1357 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,760 Speaker 2: in school, and I was like, I mean, I guess 1358 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,000 Speaker 2: you could be at school at twenty five. 1359 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you're at Harvard Medical School, you'd be 1360 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,760 Speaker 3: in school at twenty five. And I was like what 1361 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,000 Speaker 3: I was a little bit wouldn't know anything about that drop. 1362 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,320 Speaker 2: Out dup dead of all these schools. Uh yeah, so 1363 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,120 Speaker 2: Opie was nineteen in the story and the sister was 1364 01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:58,640 Speaker 2: twenty one. 1365 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,479 Speaker 3: Makes so much makes more sense. 1366 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, still crazy. 1367 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,360 Speaker 3: It's the tail end of when this becomes acceptable. I 1368 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,920 Speaker 3: would expect that to be the last. Yeah, you better 1369 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,320 Speaker 3: not do it out fight. Yeah, between the two of them. Yeah, 1370 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,840 Speaker 3: but twenty five and twenty nine. I was like, this 1371 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:12,520 Speaker 3: makes no sense. 1372 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1373 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,160 Speaker 3: It's also like you need to know how to cook rice? 1374 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:21,080 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, nineteen. I'm like, okay, okay, like you're not 1375 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 2: even living on your own. Yeah, this makes a little 1376 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:24,720 Speaker 2: bit more sense.