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This 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: episode contains references to sexual assault and sexual violence. 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. 10 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 3: Thanks in beating all right over here, I know you're 11 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: short on time. I'll just get right to it. Can 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: you paint a picture for me? Starting with that first night? 13 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: I will do it. 14 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 4: December the twenty sixth, nineteen eighty five. I had a 15 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 4: nice day with my family, went to bed, and in 16 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 4: the middle of the night, became aware of the fact 17 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 4: that there were noises around me. Felt like I was 18 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: in a room full of people and I was supposed 19 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 4: to be in my bedroom alone. 20 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 5: With my wife. 21 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: It was just something wrong. 22 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 4: I couldn't get up, couldn't rise off the bed, and 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 4: then I realized I'm not on my bed. I saw 24 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 4: these big black eyes peering at me from about two 25 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 4: feet away. 26 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: I remembered those faces, and they weren't human. 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: This morning, I woke up, grabbed my phone before my 28 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: eyes were even open. Notifications, texts alert, I should just 29 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: go back to sleep, but I don't. Weather app says 30 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: we're fine. The news app says we're doomed. Calendar app 31 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: is already mad at me. Internal reminder, stand up, drink 32 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: some water inhil for five seconds. Baks sale for seven. 33 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: I need some coffee twenty three dollars to get it delivered. 34 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: Sure, why not? Time to shower. Business on top, sweatpants 35 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: on the bottom. 36 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: I went to my office, which is also my house, 37 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: which is also just my laptop. Now Zoom calls one 38 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: with cameras on, one with cameras off. A few emails, 39 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: a few written by me, a few written by machines. 40 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: Auto reply Instagram TikTok nah, back to Instagram, Hey chat? 41 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: Does this sound insane? Someone's launching a podcast, someone's quitting 42 00:02:59,080 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: social media? 43 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: Me too. 44 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: I'll be back in an hour. Does she see my story? 45 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: My iPhone tells me my screen time is concerning. Do 46 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: not disturb stays on twenty four to seven. I'm in 47 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: control of my own destiny. Lunchtime, nothing in the fridge. 48 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: I'll just eat a big dinner. Pause to apply to 49 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: a message, I'll forget the second I send it. Scroll again. Lol, 50 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: is so funny. My algorithm is getting weird? Is anyone 51 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: checking this stuff? 52 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 6: Back to work? 53 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: I have more tabs open than my brak and handle. 54 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: I should really clean my desktop. This meeting should have 55 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: been an email. This email should have been a thought. 56 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: You kept to yourself, left the office which was my couch, 57 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: picked up some dinner. Time for a phone call. That 58 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: bartender does make a good Manhattan though. I'll have one 59 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: time to go to sleep? Or should I browse Netflix 60 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: for an hour? First started a movie, stopped at twelve 61 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: minutes in. Now I'm annoyed and fully awake. How is 62 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: it only Tuesday? I really need to go to sleep 63 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: for real this time? 64 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 6: Good night. 65 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: We all have a version of this, A routine, a pattern, 66 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: a loop if you're not careful, a hamster wheel with 67 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: better WiFi, work, relationships, money, health, politics, algorithms deciding what 68 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: we should care about today. But I do my own research, 69 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: now you don't. There's always something filling the space, always, Noise, always, motion, 70 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: always something new and always the same old thing. We're 71 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: being told something insane. That the universe is massive, maybe 72 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: even infinite, That there's planets like ours everywhere, that intelligent 73 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: life elsewhere is statistically a fact. That pilots are seeing 74 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: things they can't explain. That the government studies UFOs, it 75 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: calls them UAPs. 76 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: Now I like the first one better. 77 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: That they don't know what they are, but they know 78 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: they're not aliens. Wait, what disclosure didn't happen? It got 79 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: pushed notifications instead, And somehow we're just bored now, one 80 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: more headline, just another scroll. 81 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: It's not that the question isn't big enough. 82 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: It's that our brains are exhausted, even if aliens exist, 83 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: even if we're not alone, even if the universe is 84 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: crawling with something we can't see. Either way, my alarm 85 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: set for tomorrow morning. And either way, I still have 86 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: shit to do. This season isn't about asking you for 87 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: a while, that questions tired and the answers are boring 88 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: at this point. This season is about something bigger and stranger. 89 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: It's about why one. 90 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: Of the biggest revelations in human history lands like an 91 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: item on a grocery list, A shrug a big whoopedee 92 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: do because maybe the strangest thing now isn't what's out there, 93 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: it's us. 94 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: Okay, let's do this. 95 00:06:35,800 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to season two of High Strange. 96 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 7: The US Navy is finally acknowledged that video is appearing 97 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 7: to show UFOs flying through the air Are real? Videos 98 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 7: are talking about? Were recording years ago by fighter pilots. 99 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 7: Then in twenty seventeen they were made public by The 100 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 7: New York Times. 101 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: While refreshing our feeds. Something loud happened. Actually a lot 102 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: of loud things happened. 103 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 8: Images of that rotating thing captured by US Navy aircraft 104 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 8: sensors locking in on the target like a forty foot 105 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 8: long tic tac, maneuvering rapidly and changing direction. 106 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 9: I never thought I'd get to the place where in now. 107 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 9: I never thought twenty seventeen would ever happen. Then I'd 108 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 9: be part of it? Are you kidding me? 109 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: This is Leslie keen Ja helped break the big New 110 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: York Time story in twenty seventeen. That was nine years ago. 111 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: This interview is from twenty twenty two. At the time, 112 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: it almost sounded like she was getting ahead of herself, 113 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: like she was talking things up. Listening back now, it's 114 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: clear she wasn't predicting things. She was tracking it. 115 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 9: Nothing really shifting, and then all of a sudden, major 116 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 9: shift happens. I'm waiting for the moment where they would 117 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 9: be willing to say it's not from planet Earth, it's 118 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 9: not made by human hands. They have not been willing 119 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 9: to shut that door, tell the world that this is 120 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 9: something not made by humans, which they know. They're not 121 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 9: saying it like that. I mean, that might sound pretty 122 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 9: weird to people, but I've been setting it for twenty 123 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 9: two years, and I've watched the whole evolution what people 124 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 9: are saying but they're not saying. I've gotten access to 125 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 9: a lot of insiders. Legislation that's about to pass giving 126 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 9: protection by the Congress two whistleblowers to be able to 127 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 9: go before Congress and tell them what they know. 128 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 6: Protection is for people. 129 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 9: If there is going to be something released regarding materials 130 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 9: that they might have parts of a crashed saucer or 131 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 9: who knows what. These people now can reveal things that 132 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 9: they've had to keep secret in the past. 133 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: In the years that followed, everything she hinted at all 134 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: started happening. Legal protections were passed, whistleblowers were cleared to testify. 135 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 10: I don't have any evidence or proof the government has 136 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 10: some UFO materials in their custody. 137 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 2: But enough people from that world the. 138 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 10: Pentagon intelligence agencies say they've heard. 139 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 6: About this stuff. 140 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: This is Brian Bender, who also helped break the massive 141 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen UFO story. 142 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 10: I even asked the question in a Pentagon briefing. Some 143 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 10: of US reporters were brought in, and my question was, 144 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 10: are you also looking to see whether there might have 145 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 10: been secret programs in the past, multiple layers of secrecy 146 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 10: that might reveal things about UFOs crash materials that even 147 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 10: people in the Pentagon today might not have any idea about. 148 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 9: I'm just really interested in seeing what happens. I just 149 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 9: want to watch it all happen. 150 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 6: These are questions worth asking. 151 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: And then something crazy happened. 152 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: A public Congressional hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. 153 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 11: The Subcommittee Hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena or UAPs will 154 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 11: come to order, welcome everyone without objection. 155 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: The share may declare a recess at any time. I 156 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: flew to the Capitol and was there in person. 157 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: Security was tight, phones were checked, badges everywhere. 158 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: The whole vibe of the room felt heavier than it 159 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: should have do. I absolutely the UFOs are. 160 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 11: Good morning and welcome to the most exciting subcommittee in 161 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 11: Congress this week, the Subcommittee on National Security of the 162 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 11: Border in Foreign Affairs for discussion of Unidentified Anomalist Phenomenon. 163 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 11: I like to thank the witnesses on the panel today 164 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 11: for sharing their stories on how they've engaged UAPs, which 165 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 11: has brought attention to this matter. 166 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 12: Mister Chairman, Ranking members and Congressmen, thank you. I'm happy 167 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 12: to be here. This is an important issue and I'm 168 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 12: grateful for your time. My name is David Charles Grush. 169 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: Entered David Grush. This is when the tone took a 170 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: sharp turn. This wasn't a podcaster, This wasn't some guide 171 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: chasing attention. 172 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 12: I was an intelligence officer for fourteen years. I was 173 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 12: my agency's co lead and Unidentified Anomalist Phenomena trans Medium 174 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 12: Object Analysis, as well as reporting to the UAP Task 175 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 12: Force through a PPD nineteen Urgent Concern filing. I became 176 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 12: a whistleblower following concerning reports from multiple esteems and credential 177 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 12: current and former military and Intelligence community individuals that the 178 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 12: US government is operating with secrecy above congressional oversights with 179 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 12: regards to UAPs. My testimony is based on information I've 180 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 12: been given by individuals with a long standing track record 181 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 12: of legitimacy and service to this country. 182 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 13: A whistleblower who formerly worked on the Defense Department's UAP 183 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 13: Task Force, David Grutch, claims he has denied access to 184 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 13: information on a government UFO crash retrieval program. 185 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 12: I was informed in the course of my official duties 186 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 12: of a multi decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program. 187 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 5: Mister Grist, do you believe that our government is in 188 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 5: possession of UAPs? 189 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 12: Absolutely? Based on interviewing over forty witnesses over. 190 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 14: Four years, did you have any personal knowledge if people 191 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 14: had been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up 192 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 14: or conceal these extraterrestrial technology. 193 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 12: Yes, personally, it was very brutal and very unfortunate some 194 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 12: of the tactics they used to hurt me, both professionally 195 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 12: and personally. 196 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 15: To be quite frank, have anyone been murdered that you 197 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 15: know of or have heard of? I have to be 198 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 15: careful asking that question. I directed people with that knowledge 199 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 15: to the appropriate authorities. In the last couple of years, 200 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 15: have you had incidences that have caused you to be 201 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 15: in fear for your life for addressing these issues? 202 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 12: Yes, personally, Okay, I just. 203 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 10: Want everyone to note that he's coming forward in fear 204 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 10: of his life. 205 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 9: To put in perspective if they were really not scared 206 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 9: about this information coming out, why would someone be intimidated 207 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 9: like that? 208 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 14: As a yes, government become aware of actual evidence of 209 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 14: extra dress or otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence, And if so, 210 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 14: when do you think this first occurred. 211 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 12: I'll like to use the term non human outlate to 212 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 12: denote origin, certainly previously in nineteen thirties. 213 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 16: I'm pretty skeptical. I don't trust anything in this town, 214 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 16: and I think that's because I'm from Missouri. 215 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 5: You've got to show me. 216 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 16: With that being said, there's been a lot of things 217 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 16: that have been said, and so I want to get 218 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 16: down to some specifics. At one point, you had said 219 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 16: that there has been harmful activity or progressive activity. Has 220 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 16: any of the activity been aggressive and hostile? 221 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 12: I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured. 222 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 16: By UAPs or by people within the federal gop cove. Okay, 223 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 16: so there has been activity by alien or non human 224 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 16: technology and or beings that has caused harm to humans. 225 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 12: I can't get into the specifics in an open environment, 226 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 12: at least the activity that I personally witnessed not to 227 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 12: be very careful here, what I personally witnessed myself and 228 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 12: my wife is very disturbing. 229 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 16: My view has been that we are billions of light 230 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 16: years away from any other system, and the concept that 231 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 16: an alien species that's technologically advanced enough to travel billions 232 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 16: of the light years gets here and somehow is incompetent 233 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 16: enough to not survive Earth or crashes is something that 234 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 16: I find a little bit far fetched. You have mentioned 235 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 16: that there's interdimensional the potential. Could you expeand on that. 236 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 12: I answer your first question, and young, here is a fact. 237 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 12: What is an expert? But I will give you a 238 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 12: theoretical framework and WEAST will work off regardless of you 239 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 12: know your level of sentience right, you know, planes crash, 240 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 12: cars crash, and number of sorties however high a small 241 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 12: percentage you're going to end and you know mission failure fool, 242 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 12: as we say in the Air Force. And then in 243 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 12: terms of multi dimensionality, that kind of thing. The framework 244 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 12: that I'm familiar with, for example, is something called the 245 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 12: holographic principle. It derives itself from general relativity and Swan mechanics. 246 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 12: If you want to imagine three objects such as yourself 247 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 12: casting a shadow onto a two surface, that's the holographic principle. 248 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 12: So you can be projected quasi projected from higher dimensional space. 249 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 17: Things showing up at certain areas and disabling our capabilities, 250 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 17: which is disheartening. 251 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 12: And for us. 252 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 17: I mean, like I said, it completely disabled to rate 253 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 17: OAR in the aircraft when I try to do and 254 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 17: the only way we could see it as passively, which 255 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 17: is how you got that image. So I think that's 256 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 17: a concern on what are these doing, not only how 257 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 17: they operate, but their capabilities inside to do things like this. 258 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 14: You've said that the. 259 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: Government is a possession of potentially non human. 260 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 18: Spacecraft based on your experience and extensive conversations with experts, 261 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 18: do you believe our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials. 262 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 12: Something I can't discuss a bublbic setting. And do you 263 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 12: believe we have crashed craft? 264 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 18: Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted 265 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 18: this craft. 266 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 12: As I've stated publicly already in my New Station interview, 267 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 12: biologics came with some of these recoveries. 268 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, where they I guess human or non human? 269 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 5: Biologics non human. 270 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 12: And that was the assessment of people with rect knowledge 271 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 12: on the program I talk to that are currently still 272 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 12: in program. 273 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: This was a former intelligence officer speaking under penalty of 274 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: law information was being hidden above Congressional oversight. When he 275 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: said the words crash retrieval program, the room went quiet, 276 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: and the questions shifted not just about what these things are, 277 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: but whether people have been hurt. 278 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 9: Congress's job is going to be to see what it 279 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 9: can do with the information and what it can verify 280 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 9: a lot of these raight sensitive programs. There's no paper 281 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 9: trail over the next year or two. How is that 282 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 9: going to play out? How many people will come forward? 283 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 9: And will there be repercussions against them for coming forward? 284 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 9: Under the law they're protected. You know, you just don't 285 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 9: know what might happen to them, because certainly there are 286 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 9: some people within the defense world who don't want people 287 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 9: to talk about this. One of the witnesses hate trying 288 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 9: to keep this secret. Right to have to sit on 289 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 9: this for years and years and years, and it's changed 290 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 9: your life, and it's caused tension and problems for you 291 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 9: and some people have nightmares or PTSD. 292 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 6: And just hope it works out. 293 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: The government is notorious for reinventing the wheel. 294 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 10: I've been a reporter long enough to come across a 295 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 10: lot of stories where I'm like, why does this sound familiar? 296 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 10: Where there might have been a program, there might have 297 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 10: been a report, there might have been something, but it 298 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 10: was twenty thirty years ago. It's because they tried the 299 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 10: same damn thing twenty thirty years ago. You know, you 300 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 10: can't discount some of that in this topic too. The 301 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 10: guy who was in charge of that retired and didn't 302 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 10: pass it along to the next guy or gal. 303 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 6: It doesn't exist anymore. 304 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 10: It's going to be really hard for anyone in the 305 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 10: government to hide the stuff anymore. 306 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 11: In Washington, ghost like objects darted across the radar screen 307 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 11: at the CAAA Traffic Controls and Dirett National Airport for 308 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 11: several hours. 309 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: General Sandford, Air Force Intelligence. 310 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 11: Director confirms of the objects are not secret American weapons 311 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 11: and reiterates the Air Force's obligation to investigate. 312 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 2: Incredible observers of relatively incredible thing. 313 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: Even if you remove aliens altogether and just look at 314 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: this objectively, if even a fraction of this is true, 315 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: then something unknown is interacting with humans and causing actual harm. 316 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: Under oath, David Grush claimed people were physically injured, intimidated, 317 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: feared for their lives. This for me, is when the 318 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: whole thing stops being a belief debate. That's not a 319 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: conspiracy question. That's a science problem. And science is exactly 320 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: where I went next. 321 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: Flying saucers have in dated off planet. The whole world 322 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: is under attack, Hannant survived. 323 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 19: I knew from the moment I was thinking anything that 324 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 19: I wanted to be a scientists before, I guess I 325 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 19: evenknew what a scientist was. 326 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: This is Gary Nolan. He's not a UFO guy. 327 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: He's a data guy, a real scientist who lives in results, 328 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: measurements and what can and cannot be explained, being able. 329 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 19: To take things and put them together in ways that 330 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 19: people hadn't thought of before and make something new. I 331 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 19: look for a need, I say, okay, well that's what 332 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 19: we can't do today, and that's what we want to do. 333 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 19: You see this, and you see that and you put 334 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 19: it together and go, oh, I can make this tinkering 335 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 19: Today retrospect, I generally call it the inevitable. If I 336 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 19: were to take your blood, there's neutrophils, macrophages, and K cells. 337 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: T cells, B cells. 338 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 19: You could only look at a few cell types at 339 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 19: a time. So the field was crying out for an 340 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 19: ability to do more data. This guy at the University 341 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 19: of Toronto had invented this instrument called CyTOF. 342 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 2: His name was Scott Tanner. 343 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 19: He was a developer of an instrument but didn't know 344 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 19: exactly how to apply it. He came to me and said, look, 345 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 19: I know that you're good at turning ideas into reality. 346 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 19: Can you help me turn this into a tool for immunologists. 347 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 19: That instrument still sits at the top of the food chain, 348 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 19: reading multiple events per sell. But even then I was 349 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 19: already thinking, maybe there's another way I can do something 350 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 19: get more data. So what I had done was found 351 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 19: a way to scale up the numbers of things you 352 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 19: can measure and tag at the same time. Hundreds of 353 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 19: proteins and thousands of genes at a time. Was literally 354 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 19: a patent idea. I remember just freezing and going where 355 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 19: the fuck, did that idea just come from boom? Like 356 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 19: the whole idea, it felt like, was just like downloaded 357 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 19: into my head. I mean, honest to God, who and 358 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 19: what you think you are is a very thin sheen 359 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 19: of consciousness across your brain, you know, the so called 360 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 19: executive function of what you are. Meanwhile, there's all these 361 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 19: things going on inside of your brain. They're actually running 362 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 19: the show as a scientist. The argument is never about 363 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 19: the conclusion. The argument is about is that data reel 364 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 19: and was it collected correctly? 365 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: When he talks about the brain, he's not speculating. One day, 366 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: many years ago, Gary's life and career would take a 367 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: very bizarre turn. 368 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 19: I'm sitting in my office to a knock on the door, 369 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 19: and I opened the door and he shook guys. There 370 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 19: were men, guys in suits and ties, military personnel. One 371 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 19: of them presented his credentials and said, hey, we're with 372 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 19: the CIA, and we have a whole bunch patients that 373 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 19: are having some problems in my office. They laid out 374 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 19: all of these MRIs and they wanted to know whether 375 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 19: or not I could detect in the blood any evidence 376 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 19: of the inflammatory events. 377 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: He's describing damage the MRIs didn't lie in the timelines, 378 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: didn't make sense. These injuries, whatever they were, should not 379 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: exist the way they do. 380 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 19: They had white matter disease in the brain. Inarguable, they 381 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 19: didn't have it one day, two weeks later they did 382 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 19: something like multiple sclerosis develops over years to get to 383 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 19: the level of what I was seeing. 384 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: They didn't have it. One day, two weeks later they did. 385 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 19: What had happened was across the military these medical events. 386 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 19: The Army is pretty organized and the services are pretty 387 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 19: well organized. Despite what some people often think. There is 388 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 19: a channel for unexplained events that go up the chain 389 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 19: for review. There are analysts who said, okay, well this 390 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 19: is weird. We don't know what it is. And it 391 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 19: went over into what was they called the guys who 392 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 19: came into my office. 393 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 6: The weird bucket. 394 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 19: When enough things in the weird bucket started adding up, 395 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 19: actually showing similarities, that's where I got involved. They laid 396 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 19: out all of these MRIs. They said, some of these 397 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 19: people said that they'd gotten close to UFOs, that they 398 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 19: got close to a UFO. 399 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: So where they told you this? Did they literally say 400 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: like they came in contact with the UFO. 401 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 19: They said, They said some of these people said that 402 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 19: they got close to a UFO and that something about 403 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 19: the energy general by the object had harmed them. I 404 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 19: literally looked around. I thought, this is candid camera. What's 405 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 19: going on? 406 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: For him? 407 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't the fantastical stories. It was the actual data 408 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: that's what hooked them. And once you accept that the 409 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: injuries are real, even if you don't know the cause, 410 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: you're forced to widen the lens. If something like this 411 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: is happening, now, whatever it is, how long has it 412 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: been happening. 413 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 19: Some of the stories were pretty spectacular. I said, before 414 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 19: I get involved, you're going to have to fly me 415 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 19: out to meet these people face to face. I need 416 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 19: to see their body language. I need to read what 417 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 19: they're saying. Here's how they explained it. The harm that 418 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 19: had come to the vast majority of them, the ones 419 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 19: who said that they'd been close to UFOs or beings 420 00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 19: or things, the UFO events energy generate by the object 421 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 19: had harmed them. They hooked me with the data of 422 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 19: all of now, the probably hundreds of people that I've 423 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 19: spoken to, including so called experiencers and even weirder things. 424 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 6: There's a story here. 425 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 2: That all seems to make sense. 426 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 19: But the other thing that is pretty clear is that 427 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 19: it's probably not one thing. There's something here that needs 428 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 19: to be explained, and that there's a level of reality 429 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 19: we don't appreciate. People use the word paranormal, but then 430 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 19: you immediately think of ghosts. Immediately, yes, And I think 431 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 19: if paranormal, all science is paranormal explained. There's something here 432 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 19: that is interacting with us. That's my belief. 433 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: Albert Einstein once said, the most important decision we make 434 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: is whether we believe the universe is hostile or friendly. 435 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: If you believe the universe is hostile, you move through 436 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: it bracing for impact. You assume friction means danger. You 437 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: read uncertainty as a warning. You protect yourself first and 438 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: explain it later. If you believe the universe is friendly, 439 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: you don't become naive. You become grounded. You assume that 440 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: challenges are part of the terrain, not proof that you're 441 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: off course. You stay open longer, you recover faster. It's 442 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: not about optimism, it's about posture. A hostile universe requires 443 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: constant defaul A friendly one requires responsibility. If the universe 444 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: is friendly, then what you do matters. How you show 445 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: up matters the way you treat people matters, not because 446 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: you'll be rewarded, because you're participating in something that responds. 447 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: I'd like to choose the friendly universe, not because it's comforting, 448 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: but because it demands more from me. It means that 449 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: when something breaks, I don't immediately assume I'm being punished. 450 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: I assume there's something to learn. When things don't go 451 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: my way, I don't default to blame. I look for leverage. 452 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: This belief does not guarantee good outcomes, but it keeps 453 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: me in the game in the future that's getting faster, louder, 454 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: and more automated by the day. Staying in the game 455 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: might be the most powerful choice we have left after 456 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: making Season one of High Strange. 457 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: I've heard some weird stories. 458 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: Some people have been telling their story for decades, never changed, 459 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: never backed down, stuck with the same script for nearly 460 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: fifty years. Whitley Strieber has been telling this story since 461 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, not once, not twice, for the rest 462 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: of his life. Whatever you end up thinking about his experience, 463 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: the consistency is impossible to ignore. What makes his story 464 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: different isn't what he claims happened. It's how physically real. 465 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: It actually was. 466 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 3: Nice to me right over here. I know you're short 467 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 3: on time. I'll just get right to it. Can you 468 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 3: paint a picture for me starting with that first night? 469 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 6: I will do it. 470 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 4: December the twenty sixth, nineteen eighty five, I had a nice. 471 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 6: Day with my family. 472 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 4: It was me, my wife, and our son, who was 473 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 4: then six. Beautiful afternoon, right after Christmas. We'd had a 474 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 4: wonderful Christmas little country house we'd bought a year before. 475 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 6: Went to bed. 476 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 4: And in the middle of the night became aware of 477 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 4: the fact that there were noises around me, movement, felt 478 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 4: like I was in a room full of people and 479 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 4: I was supposed to be in my bedroom alone with 480 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: my wife. 481 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 6: It was just something wrong. 482 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: Finally I woke up, opened my eyes. 483 00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 4: I couldn't get up, couldn't rise off the bed, Alice, 484 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 4: I'm not wrong in my bed, I mean somewhere else. 485 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: This room with an arch door and a little black 486 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: window in it. It was really weird. 487 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 9: How the hell is that? 488 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 5: Just do somebody. 489 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 9: Such? 490 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 12: Somebody? 491 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 6: I don't think I like that. 492 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 4: I saw these big black eyes peering at me from 493 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 4: about two feet away. 494 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 5: It looks. 495 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 6: It's got eyes of two eyes. 496 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 2: With sod eyes. 497 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 4: I found myself in a room full of what looked 498 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 4: like gigantic insects. 499 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 2: It was horrifying. 500 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 19: I saw something that looked like it had a hood 501 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 19: on it near the corner, and I am deadrew. 502 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: I don't want it to be that. 503 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 4: The head of the New York State Department of Psychiatry, 504 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 4: doctor Donald Lyne, who he had solved many criminal cases 505 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 4: with hypnosis, the world's best forensic hypnotist. He was the 506 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 4: real deal. 507 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 2: The memory began to come back under hypnosis. 508 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 5: Pete comfortable the last state, so paying attention to my voice, 509 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 5: but you remain the strate, the comfort Baker state. 510 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 4: They would move very slowly and then very quickly. They 511 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 4: were not of this world at all. That was when 512 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 4: I thought, I'm having a nightmare. 513 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 8: I don't want. 514 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 4: They didn't go away, Thinking God, this is real, I 515 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 4: became crazed. I was on a little hot and I 516 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 4: couldn't get off of it. I couldn't move, and I 517 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 4: kept trying to imagine my bed. I couldn't do that either. 518 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 4: We're so vivid. It was like real life. I remembered 519 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 4: those faces and they weren't human. 520 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 12: It was sticking into my mind. 521 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 6: It would make a noise like a voice. 522 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 4: I don't know where it came from, but it was 523 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 4: a mechanical voice clearly, and it would repeat. 524 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 2: What can we do to help you stop screaming? 525 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 6: I'm hearing this voice. What can we do to help 526 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 6: you stop screaming? 527 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 2: I can help me? Oh shit, I'm sorry. 528 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 6: Gigantic insects very scary. They were not silly looking at all. 529 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 2: Ever, when you were a kid, maybe watch a praying madness. 530 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 2: How it creeps so gracefully and smoothly. 531 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 4: Along, and then that gets a little little flyer that's after. 532 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 4: That's how they moved. One of them was about five 533 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 4: feet tall, the others were all very small. 534 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 6: That showed me a needle. They're going to put it 535 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 6: in the side of my head. 536 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 18: To explain it. 537 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 6: I realized then this was physical. 538 00:37:49,360 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 5: Relax you to stay the last man. 539 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 4: I don't remember it ending. I don't remember when it ended. 540 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 4: I remember waking up in the morning. I thought I'd 541 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 4: been assaulted criminally. I was sure I had been assaulted. 542 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 4: As this became more clear in my mind, I was thinking, 543 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 4: you're crazy, You've had some kind of psychotic break. 544 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 6: I woke up, I felt awful. I wake up and 545 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 6: I felt like I'd been beaten up. 546 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 2: Tired. 547 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 4: I was unbelievably tired. I felt dirty. I took a shower, 548 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 4: went downstairs. My wife told me that I was acting strangely. 549 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 4: Over the course of the next week, I really struggled 550 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 4: with it. The memory began to come back. The more 551 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 4: I remembered, the weirder it got. Went to my doctor. 552 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 4: I described what I remembered. He says, what you're telling me, 553 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 4: you think you were taking aboard a flying saucer by 554 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 4: little men. And I thought, holy fuck, that is what 555 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 4: I'm saying. I've gone crazy. He said, well, why aren't 556 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 4: we do an MRI on your brain? Then we're going 557 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 4: to do a battery of psychological tests and see where 558 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 4: we are. By the time another week or so had passed, 559 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 4: the pain was very significant. 560 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 6: I want to figure out what's going on. I went 561 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 6: back to him. That was when he said I had 562 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 6: a rectal tear. Someone did this. I was scared to death. 563 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 4: It was really painful. It was a very bad tear. 564 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 4: Something has physically happened to me. Stuck this thing inside me, 565 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 4: and I fought so much. It tore my internals. Who 566 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 4: would be creeping into my house in the middle of 567 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 4: the night, grabbing me and doing that. The MRI scan 568 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 4: showed that I was under a lot of stress, but 569 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 4: I was a normal person. It was not a haad 570 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 4: trip at all. It was very physical. The physical injuries 571 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 4: were real. I didn't tell anyone about this. I don't 572 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 4: know what he thought. What do you think he thought, Well, 573 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 4: I think he might have thought I had done some 574 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 4: kind of hallucinogens. Something has physically happened to me. 575 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 1: I'd like to believe we live in a friendly universe, 576 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,240 Speaker 1: not a safe one, not a gentle one, just friendly, 577 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: because darkness, hostility, and fear are all very real. And 578 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: some encounters don't leave when the night ends. They follow you, 579 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,720 Speaker 1: they change you, and they stay forever. 580 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 4: About a year later, one of my neighbors came over 581 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 4: to the house. He was a retired state trooper. He 582 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 4: shows up and he says, Huddle, I saw that happen, 583 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 4: and I nearly dropped my teeth. He said to me, 584 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 4: I'm just so embarrassed, ashamed the fact that I ran. 585 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 4: And I said to him, if you tried to help me, 586 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 4: god knows what would have happened to you. 587 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 14: Hi. 588 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: Strange is a production by Tenderfoot TV in association with 589 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: my Heart Podcasts, created, hosted, and edited by myself, Payne 590 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: Lindsay executive producers or myself in Donald Albright, Editing by Mike, 591 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 1: Cooper Skinner and myself. 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