WEBVTT - A Brief History of Vehicular Violence

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<v Speaker 1>Col Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>On May fifteenth, nineteen sixty six, the clock ran out

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<v Speaker 2>in negotiations between Local twelve thirty four of the United

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<v Speaker 2>Auto Workers Union, an aerospace manufacturer, Pratt and Whitney. The

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<v Speaker 2>contract expired. They'd been working around the clock to meet

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<v Speaker 2>the demand for jet engines for the Vietnam War and

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<v Speaker 2>the fuel cells needed for the Apollo program. The company

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<v Speaker 2>was producing equipment the United States government desperately needed if

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<v Speaker 2>they hoped to win the war in the space race.

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<v Speaker 2>No one could afford a strike, so the union didn't

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<v Speaker 2>authorize one. Union leadership agreed to a day by day

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<v Speaker 2>extension of the contract as they continued the mediation process,

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<v Speaker 2>but the workers weren't satisfied with that answer. At midnight

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<v Speaker 2>that night, workers at the plant walked off the production

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<v Speaker 2>floor and gathered outside.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a wildcat strike.

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<v Speaker 2>The workers picketed through the night, and on the morning

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<v Speaker 2>of Monday, May sixteenth, the striking workers were there outside

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<v Speaker 2>the plant. Factory workers on first shift stayed away or

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<v Speaker 2>joined the picket, but a few dozen office workers showed

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<v Speaker 2>up in their cars at the plant for work. Newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>reports from May of nineteen sixty six say only that

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<v Speaker 2>two cars were damaged.

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<v Speaker 1>But fifty four years later and.

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<v Speaker 2>A memoir written by the son of a man who

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<v Speaker 2>drove his car to work at Pratt and Whitney in

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<v Speaker 2>North Haven, Connecticut on the day of that wildcat strike,

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<v Speaker 2>a new detail emerged. Kelvin Pierce was just six years

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<v Speaker 2>old in nineteen sixty six. His father was a jet

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<v Speaker 2>propulsion researcher at Pratt and Whitney, but he remembers this

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<v Speaker 2>day clearly. It was the day his father, William Luther Pierce,

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<v Speaker 2>decided to give up his career as a physicist and

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<v Speaker 2>go to work full time for the American Nazi Party.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the cars that was damaged that Monday morning

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<v Speaker 2>was his. The striking workers kicked his car and snapped

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<v Speaker 2>off his radio antenna as he attempted to drive his

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<v Speaker 2>car directly through the picket line. That was his last

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<v Speaker 2>week at Pratt and Whitney.

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<v Speaker 1>He quit.

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<v Speaker 2>No one was injured that morning, but the incident was

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<v Speaker 2>a turning point for Pierce. He disappeared for a few weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving his wife and young sons without any explanation. By

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<v Speaker 2>the time the factory workers had a new contract in June,

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<v Speaker 2>Hears had packed up his family and moved to Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>be closer to American Nazi Party leader George Lincoln Rockwell

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<v Speaker 2>and to focus on his own budding career as professional Nazi.

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<v Speaker 2>That morning in May, as he sat in his car

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<v Speaker 2>outside the plant, staring at the picket line, something changed

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<v Speaker 2>as he shifted his foot off of the brake and

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<v Speaker 2>onto the gas and drove towards those union workers. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he became the man who would eventually write The

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<v Speaker 2>Turner Diaries, a novel that has inspired the murders of

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of people. I'm Molly Conger, is weird that Gods,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't an episode about William Luther Pierce. He's such

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<v Speaker 2>a key figure in the history of American extremism that

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<v Speaker 2>as often as he comes up, I just keep putting

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<v Speaker 2>him off. But it is an episode about hitting people

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<v Speaker 2>with your car. Last week we were talking about James

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Fields, the young Nazi from Ohio who murdered Heather

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<v Speaker 2>Higher and Charlottesville in twenty seventeen. I wrote about Fields

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<v Speaker 2>because I felt like I had to. I hadn't planned

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<v Speaker 2>on ever doing an episode about him. I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>felt like I'd said all I have to say about him.

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<v Speaker 2>In my prior coverage of his criminal trial and in

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<v Speaker 2>the year's long civil litigation brought by the survivors of

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<v Speaker 2>his crime. But in recent weeks, I can't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>escape the echoes of that crime. People are talking about

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<v Speaker 2>running people over. People are giddy at the very idea

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<v Speaker 2>of ramming their cars into crowds of protesters. Florida Governor

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<v Speaker 2>Ron Desanta says you're allowed to do it. Several sheriffs

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<v Speaker 2>have voiced their support for it. Trump aligned minor internet

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities are posting memes and jokes, walking right up to

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<v Speaker 2>and often over the line to outright calls to action.

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<v Speaker 2>Run them over, hit the gas, all lives splatter. Two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago, on June thirteenth, twenty twenty five, a Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>account called Anti Left Memes post a question what should

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<v Speaker 2>happen to people who block the road. The account has

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<v Speaker 2>more than one hundred and twenty five thousand followers, and

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<v Speaker 2>the post received nearly thirty thousand replies. Yes, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the top replies with thousands of likes on the post

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<v Speaker 2>is just an image. It's pretty low quality, the hallmark

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<v Speaker 2>of a meme that's been screenshotted, saved, and reposted too

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<v Speaker 2>many times. But it's a picture of a white pickup truck. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's mostly white. The entire front half of the truck

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<v Speaker 2>is splattered and red, and the text over the image

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<v Speaker 2>reads the all new Dodge Ram Protester Edition. A day later,

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<v Speaker 2>as millions of Americans took to the streets and cities

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<v Speaker 2>across the country to protest the Trump administration, the same meme,

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<v Speaker 2>that same blood spattered white truck was posted on Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>by James Muller, the Sheriff of Adams County, Pennsylvania. I

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<v Speaker 2>found dozens of posts made that weekend alone with that

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<v Speaker 2>specific image, and thousands of posts that weekend expressing the

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<v Speaker 2>same sentiment, it's morally and legally acceptable to hit protesters

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<v Speaker 2>with your car, not only that it's funny, it's good,

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<v Speaker 2>and you should do it, and they're not just posting

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<v Speaker 2>it's happening. I found at least six incidents across the

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<v Speaker 2>country between June tenth and June fifteenth of cars driving

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<v Speaker 2>directly into crowns of protesters. A young woman in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles was left in critical condition, a woman in Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>has a broken arm. A driver in Petaluma hit a

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<v Speaker 2>group of protesters while they were in a crosswalk. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot we still don't know about the specific details

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<v Speaker 2>of these most recent incidents, and every one of these

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<v Speaker 2>incidents is unique in its specific facts, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>pattern and it's not new. I remember when Summer Taylor died.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the fourth of July back in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Their killer drove the wrong way up a highway on

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<v Speaker 2>ramp and around vehicles that had been parked to form

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<v Speaker 2>a barricade to protect the protest. That attack on a

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<v Speaker 2>Black Lives Matter protest in Seattle is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>only ones I remember clearly from that summer. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know Summer, but I know people who did, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were just twenty four years old. I remember a few others,

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<v Speaker 2>one because it was so close to home, just outside

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<v Speaker 2>of Richmond, Virginia. No one was badly hurt, but the

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<v Speaker 2>driver skipped Rogers as a clansman that I've seen at

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<v Speaker 2>some Confederate rallies, they all kind of run together. Though

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<v Speaker 2>there was so much violence that summer, Apparently there were

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<v Speaker 2>over a hundred similar attacks that summer. That's according to

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<v Speaker 2>Ari wyl who was at the time a researcher at

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<v Speaker 2>the Chicago Project on Security and Threats at the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Chicago. He documented one hundred and four incidents of

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<v Speaker 2>vehicular assault on protests during a four month period from

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<v Speaker 2>May twenty seventh to September twenty seventh, twenty twenty, with

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of those incidents occurring during Black Lives Matter

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<v Speaker 2>protests after the death of George Floyd. According to Wiles analysis,

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<v Speaker 2>there is evidence of malicious intent in at least forty

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<v Speaker 2>three of those one hundred and four incidents, and in

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<v Speaker 2>the fall of twenty twenty thirty nine of those drivers

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<v Speaker 2>had been criminally charged. The question of how often this

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<v Speaker 2>is actually happening, when it started, who's doing it, and

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<v Speaker 2>why it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to answer. As it turns out.

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<v Speaker 2>While I was researching this episode, I read papers and

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<v Speaker 2>analysis and speculation and confident pronouncements from journalists, researchers and nonprofits,

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<v Speaker 2>analysts and think tanks, papers from government agencies and academic journals,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's hard to find a clear picture. Fatal encounters

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<v Speaker 2>between pedestrians and cars are as old as cars themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Cars are dangerous, people are careless, and about seven thousand

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<v Speaker 2>pedestrians a year are killed by cars in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure plenty of drivers have independently arrived at

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<v Speaker 2>the conclusion that you could use a car.

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<v Speaker 1>As a weapon. They're ubiquitous.

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<v Speaker 2>Not everyone can go out and buy a gun, and

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<v Speaker 2>most people don't know how to build a bomb, but

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<v Speaker 2>almost anybody can find a way to get behind the

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<v Speaker 2>wheel of a car, even if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't own one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cheap, it's accessible, and it can be extremely deadly.

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<v Speaker 2>So why doesn't vehicular ramming of groups of pedestrians appear

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<v Speaker 2>as an identifiable method of terrorist attack until the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>The academic papers I read all seem to agree vehicular

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<v Speaker 2>ramming attacks didn't really start happening until the early nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't really catch on until more than two

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<v Speaker 2>decades later, starting in around twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Some earlier recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>Incidents are noted in the literature, with one of the

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<v Speaker 2>oft cited studies claiming that the earliest recorded incident they

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<v Speaker 2>found was in Japan in nineteen sixty four, but most

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<v Speaker 2>researchers seemed to agree that it was Palestinians who invented

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<v Speaker 2>the tactic in the early nineties, and there are just

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<v Speaker 2>a handful of incidents cited to support this, mostly involving

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<v Speaker 2>young men driving into groups of IDF soldiers in the

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<v Speaker 2>West Bank. One study published earlier this year in the

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<v Speaker 2>European Research Studies Journal incorrectly attributes these attacks in Israel

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<v Speaker 2>in the West Bank to Hamas, But aside from being inaccurate,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the actual truth here is more illuminating. People

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<v Speaker 2>are doing this on their own. A twenty eighteen paper

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<v Speaker 2>in Studies in Conflict and Terrorism analyzed data about sixty

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<v Speaker 2>two vehicular attacks in Israel and the West Bank between

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The data was provided to.

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<v Speaker 2>The researchers directly by the Israeli Security Agency, and the

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<v Speaker 2>authors also examined court records, media published in both Hebrew

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<v Speaker 2>and Arabic, as well as social media posts made surrounding

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<v Speaker 2>the attacks. And none of those attacks were carried out

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<v Speaker 2>by Hamas. They weren't carried out by a group of

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<v Speaker 2>any kind. Only sixteen percent of the attackers in that

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<v Speaker 2>data set had ever been imprisoned for any reason prior

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<v Speaker 2>to the attack, and less than a quarter of them

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<v Speaker 2>even had a family member with any kind of security

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<v Speaker 2>or criminal record. The attacks in the nineties were sporadic.

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<v Speaker 2>Aside from these couple of incidents in Israel and the

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<v Speaker 2>West Bank. There were a handful of incidents elsewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>the world in the nineties and early two thousands. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the data included in these studies

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<v Speaker 2>and chart it over time, the line shoots off the page,

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<v Speaker 2>starting in about twenty fourteen, and suddenly they're happening all

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<v Speaker 2>over the world. I think it's worth a little sidebar

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<v Speaker 2>here to talk about definitions. What exactly is a vehicle

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<v Speaker 2>ramming attack? Most of the papers I read about the

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<v Speaker 2>tactic use that term, abbreviated as just VR.

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<v Speaker 1>They're sometimes also called.

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<v Speaker 2>VTA's vehicular terrorist attack, and deciding what is or isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a VIRA is something every author seems to decide for himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of the papers I'm relying on here both included

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<v Speaker 2>a description of how they built their own data set

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<v Speaker 2>because there was no comprehensive worldwide list to look at.

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<v Speaker 2>A twenty nineteen paper by Keith Hayward and Vincent Miller

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<v Speaker 2>and the British Journal of Criminology analyzed one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five incidents between nineteen ninety nine and twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>The incidents they included in the data had to meet

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<v Speaker 2>these criteria. A vehicle had to be used as a

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<v Speaker 2>weapon on pedestrians or populated vehicles. The vehicle had to

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<v Speaker 2>be the primary weapon. Any other weapons used like knives

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<v Speaker 2>or firearms could only be used once the vehicle was

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<v Speaker 2>disabled and not part of an armed or carbomb. The

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<v Speaker 2>incident was not part of a kidnapping attempt. Pedestrian casualties

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<v Speaker 2>were intended and not part of a chase of aasion

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<v Speaker 2>or accident. The vehicle was not primarily used for demolition,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Hayward and Miller paper is more interested in

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of social contagion, how these attacks appear to

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<v Speaker 2>come in waves clustered together in time, even when the

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<v Speaker 2>attacks themselves have almost nothing else in common aside from

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<v Speaker 2>the similarity of the physical act. A paper that same

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<v Speaker 2>year by Brian Michael Jenkins and Bruce Butterworth from the

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<v Speaker 2>Minetta Transportation Institute is much more focused within the academic

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<v Speaker 2>niche that is terrorism studies.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's written by guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Who've been in the business for so long they can't

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<v Speaker 2>shift their focus beyond Islamic extremism.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of package here. And this paper

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<v Speaker 1>notes that no.

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<v Speaker 2>Two databases of such incidents will ever agree. But the

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<v Speaker 2>authors created a list of one hundred and eighty four

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<v Speaker 2>incidents from nineteen sixty four to twenty nineteen that they

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<v Speaker 2>were able to identify as vehicle attacks on public targets.

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<v Speaker 2>They excluded vehicle ramming incidents that occurred in war zones,

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<v Speaker 2>those that occurred while the driver was fleeing a crime

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<v Speaker 2>scene or evading police, altercations between motorists, incidents where the

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle rammed a government building, accidents, and domestic disputes. And

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<v Speaker 2>while they say they excluded attacks in war zones, they

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<v Speaker 2>do not exclude attacks that occurred in the occupied Palestinian territories.

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<v Speaker 1>And from both of these studies.

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<v Speaker 2>I was unable to find an appendix that actually list

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<v Speaker 2>the events that they included in their data sets, and

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<v Speaker 2>that leads me with a lot of unanswered questions. And

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<v Speaker 2>neither paper really clearly defines what they mean by terrorism either,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit sticky too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a loaded word. In post nine to eleven America,

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<v Speaker 2>it usually means one thing, Islamic extremism, isis al Kaida,

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<v Speaker 2>the Aliban, etc. And in more casual parlance, the word

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<v Speaker 2>gets thrown around a little too casually. It may not

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<v Speaker 2>be worth trying to salvage the word by defining it

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that's useful, but it appears in most

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<v Speaker 2>of the writing about this, so I'll take a stab

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<v Speaker 2>at telling you what it probably means if you're talking legally.

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<v Speaker 2>The United States Code defines terrorism as activities that involve

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<v Speaker 2>acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of

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<v Speaker 2>criminal laws in the United States, and those acts appear

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<v Speaker 2>to be intended to intimidate orquer civilians, influence government policy

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<v Speaker 2>by intimidation or coercion, or to affect the conduct of

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<v Speaker 2>a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping. The law

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<v Speaker 2>is not the only way to define something. The National

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<v Speaker 2>Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism

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<v Speaker 2>at the University of Maryland, which maintains the Global Terrorism Database,

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<v Speaker 2>has a lengthy explanation of the definition that they use

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<v Speaker 2>in deciding what goes in the database. The short answer

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<v Speaker 2>is the threatened or actual use of illegal force and

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<v Speaker 2>violence by a non state actor to attain political, economic, religious,

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<v Speaker 2>or social goals through fear, quertion or intimidation. Pretty straightforward,

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<v Speaker 2>but every paper I read us slightly different. Frameworks seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to rely on slightly different definitions, and they all use

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<v Speaker 2>their own hand picked data sets. Few actually included information

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<v Speaker 2>about what incidents were in those data sets, but for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, they all agree vras didn't really happen

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<v Speaker 2>until Palestinians started doing them in the nineties and then

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen era surgeon popularity is mostly discussed in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of a handful of very deadly, high profile attacks where

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<v Speaker 2>the perpetrator was inspired by an Islamic extremist group. The

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<v Speaker 2>Meneta Transportation Institute paper focuses heavily on Jihadis motivated attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>as their own data shows that only ten percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the attacks in that data set fit in that category.

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<v Speaker 2>They acknowledge that the vast majority of vehicle ramming attacks

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States have no connection at all to

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<v Speaker 2>Al Qaida or ISIS, but quote in the public's mind,

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<v Speaker 2>they are blended with the jihadist attacks and add to

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<v Speaker 2>the general level of fear. The Jahadas propaganda machine was

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<v Speaker 2>therefore able to brand the tactic and benefit from its occurrence,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of who was responsible. And now, as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure ISIS would love to take credit for that

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<v Speaker 2>branding success, it looks to me that its Western researchers

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<v Speaker 2>were too eager to see this tactic as a jihadist

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<v Speaker 2>one that just happens to have leaked out into broader usage.

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<v Speaker 2>I read the literature, I took notes, but I also

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<v Speaker 2>spent two full days combing through newspaper archives going back

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred years, all the way back to the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenties when we started to see widespread car ownership.

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<v Speaker 1>In the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think these studies are missing a really particular

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<v Speaker 2>category of vehicular attack. People driving through union picket lines.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens all the time. Members of the Communications Workers

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<v Speaker 2>of America wear red shirts every Thursday in memory of

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Horgan. Morgan was a CWA member who was struck

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<v Speaker 2>and killed when a scab worker drove through the picket

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<v Speaker 2>line in nineteen eighty nine. And just weeks after his death,

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<v Speaker 2>out there on the picket line, one of his union

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<v Speaker 2>brothers ended up in the hospital after being hit by

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<v Speaker 2>a company truck. The president of Jerry's local CWA eleven

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<v Speaker 2>oh three told the paper, We're tired of these people

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<v Speaker 2>running us over.

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<v Speaker 1>It was common.

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<v Speaker 2>In March of this year, a member of the Amalgamated

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<v Speaker 2>Transit Union was hospitalized after being intentionally struck by a

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<v Speaker 2>company vehicle during a strike of Santa Clara Valley Transportation

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<v Speaker 2>Authority workers. In twenty twenty three, five members of the

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<v Speaker 2>United Autoworkers Union were hit by a car that plowed

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<v Speaker 2>through the picket line outside the General Motors Splint Processing

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<v Speaker 2>Center in Swartz Creek, Michigan. One of them was hospitalized.

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<v Speaker 2>The driver fled the scene and was later convicted of

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<v Speaker 2>leaving the scene of an accident, but the plea deal

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<v Speaker 2>dropped the charge of assault with a deadly weapon. Even

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<v Speaker 2>with my limited time and ability to search these old records,

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<v Speaker 2>I found multiple examples in every decade for the last

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<v Speaker 2>century of union workers being hit, sometimes killed, when a

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<v Speaker 2>car intentionally drove into their picket line. The earliest of

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<v Speaker 2>these incidents that I could find were in May of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty nine, during a strike of textile workers at

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<v Speaker 2>the Rayon Manufacturing Plants and Elizabethton, Tennessee. The strike had

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<v Speaker 2>been going on since March and things had gotten pretty violent.

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<v Speaker 2>The National Guard was brought in to beat back the protester,

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<v Speaker 2>most of whom were young women. Many of them were teenagers,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was at least one incident of a non

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<v Speaker 2>union worker driving through the picketers, injuring several of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Incident that I don't think you can deny clearly meets

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<v Speaker 2>the criteria of a vehicular ramming attack. On May sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty nine, a bus full of scabs plowed through

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<v Speaker 2>the line of striking workers. One of the workers who

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<v Speaker 2>was hit was a teenage girl named Evelyn Heaton, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was so badly injured that onlookers believed that she

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<v Speaker 2>had died.

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<v Speaker 1>But she didn't die, and.

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<v Speaker 2>When Evelyn Heaton was released from the hospital, she swore

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<v Speaker 2>out a criminal complaint for attempted murder against the driver,

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<v Speaker 2>a man named Joe Calhoun. But she also swore out

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<v Speaker 2>a complaint of aiding in a betting attempted murder, and

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<v Speaker 2>this one was against Tennessee National Guard Adjutant General W. C.

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<v Speaker 1>Boyd.

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<v Speaker 2>Heaton acqus void of ordering the attack, of personally directing

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<v Speaker 2>the bus to drive into the workers, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>deny it. He said he'd ordered the path to the

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<v Speaker 2>plant to be cleared. He was arrested, questioned, and released

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<v Speaker 2>on bond, but a grand jury never indicted him. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't help get a little lost down this rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole incident looks like a fascinating chapter of labor

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<v Speaker 2>history that I'd never heard of. The same week his

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<v Speaker 2>charges were dropped, Boyd got into a little trouble with

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<v Speaker 2>the Secretary of War. You see, the governor of Tennessee

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't actually deployed the National Guard, at least not correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't deploy the National Guard. He had the National

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<v Speaker 2>guardsmen sworn in as state troopers before deploying them as

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<v Speaker 2>strike breakers. So as they're tear gassing these teenage girls

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<v Speaker 2>from the textile mill, they're wearing their United States Army uniforms,

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<v Speaker 2>carrying weapons that were federal government property. But that was

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<v Speaker 2>illegal because they were not acting in their capacity as guardsmen.

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<v Speaker 2>From what I can find, violating federal law and ordering

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<v Speaker 2>a bus driver to plow through a crowd of teenage

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<v Speaker 2>girls didn't seem to affect his career. W. C. Boyd

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<v Speaker 2>didn't retire from the Tennessee National Guard until the year

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<v Speaker 2>before he died two decades later. But back to the

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<v Speaker 2>issue at hand, though, I found scores of these incidents

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<v Speaker 2>over the last century in which striking workers are hit

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<v Speaker 2>by cars. These kinds of incidents don't tend to have

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<v Speaker 2>a high fatality rate, and some of them are definitely

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<v Speaker 2>just accidents. Picket Lines are often in close proximity to

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<v Speaker 2>vehicular traffic, and any time a pedestrian is near a.

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<v Speaker 1>Car there's a risk.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the stories where it appears to be intentional,

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<v Speaker 2>of which there are many, it's usually a scab worker

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<v Speaker 2>or a boss driving through the crowd when entering or

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<v Speaker 2>exiting the area around the workplace. You could argue that

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of incident is different. This isn't a driver

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<v Speaker 2>seeking out a confrontation with a pedestrian. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>pedestrian who is in some cases very intentionally blocking the

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<v Speaker 2>path of that vehicle because that is his goal. The

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<v Speaker 2>striking worker does not want the scab to cross the

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<v Speaker 2>picket line and enter the job site. But you can't

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<v Speaker 2>argue that it's not political. Union workers have a right

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<v Speaker 2>to strike. What they're doing is not illegal. Hitting them

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<v Speaker 2>with a car is, and the people hitting them with

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<v Speaker 2>those cars have a motive. Remember those definitions. A vehicle

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<v Speaker 2>ramming attack is just the intentional use of a vehicle

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<v Speaker 2>as a weapon, intending because in to a pedestrian. And

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<v Speaker 2>what's terrorism the threatened or actual use of illegal force

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and violence by a non state actor to attain a political, economic, religious,

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 2>or social goal their fear, coercion, or intimidation. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying we should charge scabs who run over someone's foot

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<v Speaker 2>with terrorism. That doesn't make any sense. That's not the

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<v Speaker 2>point I'm trying to make here. I just think that

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<v Speaker 2>ignoring this entire category of vehicular assaults is missing something important.

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<v Speaker 2>Because people are using cars as weapons to intimidate, harass,

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<v Speaker 2>and injure workers who are exercising their right to engage

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<v Speaker 2>in strikes. They're threatening and carrying out violence against a

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<v Speaker 2>particular group of people, and there is an identifiable political

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 2>and economic motivation to frighten these people off the picket line.

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<v Speaker 2>And after all that time searching all those old newspapers,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just picket lines that I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>researchers overlooked. The narrative in these studies seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>that the tactic originated with Palestinians was popularized by jihadas

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<v Speaker 2>groups from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen, and around that

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<v Speaker 2>same time period, the idea spread rapidly online getting picked

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<v Speaker 2>up by people with other motivations and backgrounds. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that's true either. I don't think white Westerners

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<v Speaker 2>learned about this online from isis and in looking through

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the historical record, I admit I ran into some of

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<v Speaker 2>the same problems the researchers did. It's hard to find

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<v Speaker 2>information about this that goes further back than a few

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<v Speaker 2>decades before this was a named phenomenon. It wasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>something that earned more than a passing mention in the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems no one particularly cared when a union member,

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<v Speaker 2>a civil rights activist, an environmentalist, a communist, a hippie,

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:59.880
<v Speaker 2>an anti war protester, or some other nasty undesirable got

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<v Speaker 2>they deserved, And when it is mentioned, the tone is nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>So nothing's really changed, I guess, but it does impact

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<v Speaker 2>my ability to find these historical vehicular attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's some I did find.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty three, the Congress of Racial Equality staged

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<v Speaker 2>a sit in at Jones Beach State Park on Long Island.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted the Long Island Park Commission to hire more

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<v Speaker 2>black and Puerto Rican workers. As part of their demonstration,

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<v Speaker 2>they blocked the road leading to the parking area at

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<v Speaker 2>the beach. People get so in their feelings about blocking

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<v Speaker 2>a roadway. Yeah, it probably is annoying to you, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's the point of the protest. They are making themselves unignorable.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you might say you've blocked the road, what

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>do you expect? But a car is a deadly weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it like a gun. It's legal to a gun,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're in fear for your life, it self

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 2>defense to fire that gun. But if you are being

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 2>prevented from conveniently accessing the beach on Long Island, you

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 2>don't have grounds for the use of deadly force. You

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 2>might be inconvenienced, and you might be annoyed. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it might be annoying that the fight for

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>civil rights ruined your beach day. But you cannot hurt

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>people with a deadly weapon because they're in your way,

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 2>because you're impatient, because you don't like what they're doing,

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>because you think what they're doing is wrong. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a disproportionate escalation and it's not healthy. Photos of that

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 2>demonstration clearly show the protesters sitting cross legged, side by

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<v Speaker 2>side across the road. One newspaper article I found that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't include the picture. Describe the scene with these words,

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<v Speaker 2>Negro and white members of the Congress of Racial Quality

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<v Speaker 2>through themselves and their children in front of moving cars

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<v Speaker 2>here Thursday to draw attention to a campaign to get

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 2>jobs for Negroes with the Long Island State Park Commission.

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<v Speaker 2>A number of demonstrators were struck by cars, whose operators

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>were forced to halt abruptly. Another newspaper wrote that twenty

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 2>demonstrators were quote bumped or brushed by cars, with another

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 2>paper mentioning just in passing that three people were injured.

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<v Speaker 2>On the night of April fourth, nineteen sixty eight, there

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<v Speaker 2>were hundreds of people marching in the streets of Battle Creek, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>That date might feel a little familiar to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King.

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<v Speaker 2>Junior had been assassinated just hours earlier. Battle Creek Police

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<v Speaker 2>Chief Clifford Barney was later quoted in the local paper

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<v Speaker 2>describing the all night march as quote mostly orderly, but

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>the headline that ran in wire stories nationwide was Negro

0:28:55.760 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 2>violence in Battle Creek. In the early morning hours of

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 2>April fifth, as the march continued through the night, the

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>vice president of the local NAACP Young Adult council was

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 2>hit by a car that drove through the march. Demonstrators

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>claimed police who witnessed this incident refused to call an ambulance,

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 2>and Stanley Morrow was taken to the hospital by another marcher.

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 2>At a community meeting about the event a few days later,

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 2>the NAACP demanded to know why the driver hadn't been

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 2>arrested for leaving the scene of an accident. Chief Barney

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 2>said the driver had quote exercised good judgment and that

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 2>they shouldn't have been in the road. Nothing's changed. In

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty nine, Canadian college students staged a demonstration on

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the Blue Water Bridge between Michigan and Ontario. They were

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>protesting the nuclear testing the United States was carrying out

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>on the Aleutian Islands off the coast of Alaska. According

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>to the Port Huron Times Herald, a car with Michigan

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>plates gunned it through the crowd on the bridge. Twenty

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>year old David Pettinger was one of the students who

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 2>was hit, and while another student was slightly injured, his

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>leg got stuck in the car's wheel well, causing him

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>to be dragged for nearly four hundred feet as the

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>driver attempted to flee the scene. Pettinger was described in

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>one newspaper as quote not seriously injured, but according to

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 2>his later lawsuit, he lost most of the skin on

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 2>both of his legs and spent seven weeks in the

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 2>hospital with David's legs stuck in her wheel. The driver

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 2>was unable to flee and was arrested on scene, but

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 2>she was never charged with a crime. He was awarded

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 2>less than seven thousand dollars in his lawsuit against the driver.

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy, just days after the Kent State shooting,

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>students were protesting at Eastern Michigan University, and five of

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>them were injured when a man rammed his car into

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 2>a crowd on campus. There's no exports a nation offered

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 2>in any of the newspaper articles I can find about

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>why he did this or who he was, but the

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 2>description is very intentional. He was driving slowly as he

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 2>approached the crowd of students, sort of inching towards them,

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>and then he suddenly accelerated directly into them before fleeing

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 2>the scene. And in nineteen seventy one, Margaret Ann Knott

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>was killed in Butler, Alabama, after a man drove his

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>car through a sit in. The group had a permit.

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Local black leaders had met with the mayor and the

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 2>sheriff ahead of the march. They were allowed to march

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 2>in the street. The police were there, and as the

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 2>march proceeded through the center of town, they were granted

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 2>permission by the captain of the state troopers who were

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>there on the scene, to stop in an intersection outside

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the courthouse just for a few minutes, for a five

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 2>minute silent prayer of it Chun Margaret was sitting on the

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 2>ground and praying when the car came. She was just

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen years old. Her mother was one of the black

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 2>teachers whose unfair firing the march was protesting. The young

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 2>man had been sitting right beside her there in the square,

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>managed to get up and run away as the car approached,

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>but Margaret was sitting with her back turned to it,

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 2>and she didn't react fast enough. After she was hit,

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>he says, she just kept saying, I died for freedom,

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I died for freedom. Her killer was arrested, but a

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 2>grand jury didn't indict. He claimed he was attacked, that

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>he feared for his life, and according to newspaper accounts,

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 2>from the time. White eyewitnesses backed his story. Margaret's fellow

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 2>demonstrates told a different one. He says they were rocking

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 2>his car and trying to turn it over. That's why

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 2>he got scared. They say they didn't put their hands

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 2>on that car until after Margaret was under it. And

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 2>if you listened to last week's episode about James Alex Fields,

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that might actually sound kind of familiar. He was afraid,

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>he was afraid for his life. He had to do it.

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 2>They were attacking him, but nobody put their hands on

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Fields's car until after a woman was dead. Margaret's mother

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 2>raised money for a granite marker to be placed at

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the courthouse square to memorialize Margaret's death as a martyr

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>in the civil rights movement, and the county refused.

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>To allow it.

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety nine, twenty eight years after her daughter's murder,

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Harry May Johnson got up to speak during public comment

0:33:55.560 --> 0:34:00.719
<v Speaker 2>at a Chalktaw County Commission meeting. She asked again, please,

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 2>could we place the marker in the square, and they

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 2>said no, no, that's very racially divisive. Margaret Ann Knott

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>was finally memorialized with a public marker in twenty nineteen.

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:22.879
<v Speaker 2>I found a number of incidents in nineteen seventy two,

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>mostly involving anti war protesters hit by cars. During the

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Republican National Convention in Miami that summer, there were two

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>separate instances of limousines carrying convention delegates driving into crowds

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 2>of protesters and injuring people, one leaving a Vietnam veteran

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 2>with a fractured skull and another breaking a woman's leg.

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:49.479
<v Speaker 2>The Democratic National Convention was inexplicably also in Miami that year,

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 2>just a week earlier, and during that event, protesters occupied

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 2>an intersection to demand answers over an alleged hit and

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>run incident involving a staffer for Senator Hubert Humphrey who

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>ran a woman over. The official DOJ report on policing

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>during the conventions that summer mentions what appeared to be

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 2>at least half a dozen incidents of cars intentionally striking protesters.

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 2>I could go on, like in nineteen seventy nine, when

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 2>a Los Angeles sheriff's deputy drove into a crowd protesting

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>outside the Beverly Hills mansion owned by the Shah of

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Iran's mother, or the National guardsmen who drove a troop

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 2>carrier directly at a crowd of anti nuclear protesters in

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 2>California in nineteen eighty one. In nineteen ninety, the president

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 2>of a timber company struck an environmental activist with his

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 2>vehicle and sped away from the scene with the woman

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>still on the hood.

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Of his car.

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 2>None of these people were charged with a crime. My

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 2>point is not just that I have a methodological disagreement

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.240
<v Speaker 2>with the study I read. I don't think they simply

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>failed to look in the right place to find additional

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 2>incidents to add to their data set. I think the

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:00.800
<v Speaker 2>disagreement is cheaper than that.

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>We disagree about.

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>What kind of violence matters, who we think of as violent,

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 2>who we think of as victims, what's normal, what's acceptable,

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 2>what's politically beneficial, and who deserves it. By their reasoning,

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>it was a series of high profile attacks motivated by

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Islamic extremism that started a worldwide wave of vehicle ramming attacks,

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't until then that researchers identify and name

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 2>this phenomenon that I'm arguing has always been here. The

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 2>two papers I'm pulling from primarily were both written in

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, and they both open with a little vignette

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:51.280
<v Speaker 2>about a vehicle ramming attack. The paper called Smashing into Crowds,

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.760
<v Speaker 2>an Analysis of Vehicle ramming Attacks, published by the Meneta

0:36:54.760 --> 0:37:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Transportation Institute, opens with this paragraph. On April third, twenty nineteen,

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>police in Maryland arrested a man for plotting to drive

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>a stolen rental van into crowds of people at National Harbor,

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 2>a popular tourist site along the Potomac River. A convert

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to Islam, he claimed to have been inspired by the

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Islamic state of Iraq and Syria. The defendant had stolen

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:20.800
<v Speaker 2>the rental van several days before in Virginia and originally

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>contemplated driving into passengers at Dulla's Airport, but found the

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 2>crowds there were two spars for his purpose. He then

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 2>changed the target to National Harbor, just under ten miles

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>from the Capitol in Washington, d C. The incident was

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 2>one of nearly thirteen to occur in the first three

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 2>quarters of twenty nineteen across the world. And again, this

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>paper selected one hundred and eighty four incidents from the

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 2>sixties through twenty nineteen that they feel fit the criteria,

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 2>and in the paper, they classified the perpetrators of these

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>attacks into four primary categories, Palestinian gee, hottest, right wing extremist,

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and mentally disturbed. The authors made these determinations based on

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 2>available media recording. Based on that paragraph I just read you,

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.799
<v Speaker 2>I assumed that they would place this incident into the

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 2>jahattist category. I don't actually know, because they don't include

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 2>the incidents in an appendix, But honestly, I'm actually curious

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 2>why they would include it at all. They clearly say

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the incident was one of nearly thirteen to occur. First

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>of all, what is nearly thirteen? But this incident didn't occur.

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:42.479
<v Speaker 2>There was no incident. This didn't happen. They don't name

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 2>this man in the paper, but I recognize the description

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 2>of it. His name is Rondel Henry, and he was

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 2>originally indicted on a single count of driving a stolen

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 2>vehicle across state lines. He ended up pleading guilty to

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 2>the charge of attempting to perform an act of violence

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 2>at an international airport, even though by their own admission,

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 2>he decided not.

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 1>To do that.

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 2>But he was arrested after stealing the U haul van

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:12.399
<v Speaker 2>and before he did anything else. He has also been

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 2>diagnosed with schizophrenia. Yes, Rondel Henry did make statements to

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the police after his arrest that he wanted to create

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:25.760
<v Speaker 2>a panic quote like what happened in France, likely referring

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.439
<v Speaker 2>to a twenty sixteen attack in Nice, France that killed

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>eighty six people when a man drove a truck through

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 2>a crowd gathered for bestial day. I'm not disputing rondel

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Henry's own stated intent or the fact that he'd viewed

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 2>ISS propaganda on his cell phone. I just wish I

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 2>could see the author's data set. First of all, how

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 2>do they decide to include an incident that didn't actually happen.

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:52.720
<v Speaker 2>But in a larger sense, how are they deciding based

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:57.280
<v Speaker 2>largely just on media reporting, which attacks are attributable solely

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 2>to the perpetrator's mental disturbance, and that category makes up

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 2>the bulk of their data. Media sources are very quick

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 2>to assume gee hottest intent if the perpetrator is Muslim,

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're very quick to ignore the possibility of political

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 2>motivations if the attacker is anyone else. So I just

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 2>wonder how they're making these determinations, because, again, this paper,

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 2>with its hand selected data set of one hundred and

0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:30.359
<v Speaker 2>eighty four vehicle ramming incidents. They categorized just ten of

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 2>those as right wing extremism, and according to one of

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 2>the tables, six of those occurred between twenty fourteen and

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, the time period when these attacks are really

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 2>starting to spike worldwide. And again, the paper doesn't include

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 2>a list of incidents, so I can only guess which

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 2>six right wing attacks they included and categorized as such.

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 2>But the table indicates that of those six attacks during

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.319
<v Speaker 2>that five year time period, there was only one fatality.

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>And I know that's not right by any definition of

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 2>a right wing vehicle ramming attack. More than one person

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 2>died during that five year period, because we know there

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.439
<v Speaker 2>was James alex Fields and Charlottesville in twenty seventeen. That's

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 2>one attack, one fatality had their hire died. James Alex

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Fields was a Nazi. He had a framed picture of

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Hitler on his bedside table. So what else are they

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 2>categorizing as a right wing vehicle ramming attack during that

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 2>time period. Now I could accept the explanation that Elliott

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Roger may not count. Roger was an Inceel, I'm not

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 2>conceding that his murders free wasn't right wing extremism. That's

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 2>non negotiable. He hated women, he was racist, he was

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 2>pretty into Hitler. I'm not going to do an episode

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.240
<v Speaker 2>about him. But if you don't remember the twenty fourteen

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>ile Vista killings, you can look it up. That's what

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 2>they were called. There's plenty of information about it online.

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 2>But no, I would accept it if the researchers said

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>that they chose to exclude this attack altogether because the

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 2>vehicle ramming of random pedestrians wasn't the primary or central attack.

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:16.919
<v Speaker 2>Right I would argue that the vehicular assaults carried out

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>after he left the scene of the sorority house shootings

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:24.479
<v Speaker 2>do count as their own independent assaults. But like I said,

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 2>i'd hear them out if they wanted to say that

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:28.839
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't fit their criteria because it occurred as he

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:31.239
<v Speaker 2>was leaving the scene of the shooting, or that the

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>vehicle was a secondary weapon in an attack that was

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 2>primarily a shooting and stabbing spree.

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I will accept that maybe Elliott Roger is not

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.919
<v Speaker 2>included in this data, but surely their list of right

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>wing vehicle attacks from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen. Surely

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that includes the Finsbury Park van attack. That attack was

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 2>in June of twenty seventeen outside of a mosque in London,

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>a little after midnight. People were leaving them off after Tarawi,

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the nighttime prayer said during Ramadan. As they walked outside,

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:07.600
<v Speaker 2>they saw a man at a nearby bus stop who

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.479
<v Speaker 2>seemed to be in some medical distress, so a group

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.839
<v Speaker 2>of men from the mosque walked over to offer aid.

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 2>It was there that Darren Osborne rammed his van into

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:21.359
<v Speaker 2>the group. After driving up onto the curb and into

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 2>the group of men, Darren Osborne jumped out of the

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 2>van shouting I want to kill all Muslims. I did

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 2>my bit before the men wrestled him to the ground

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>as he was attempting to flee the scene. All this

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 2>noise must have drawn the AmAm out onto the street,

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 2>because the AmAm arrived on the scene just in time

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>to stop the men from beating Osborne pretty badly. And

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I know the author of this paper knows about this attack,

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 2>which left one man dead, so it can't possibly be

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 2>in this data set because their paper cites heavily from

0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 2>another paper One that I also read that is called

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I did my bit terrorism car and the vehicle ramming

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 2>attack as imitative event. And why then, does this data

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 2>set also appear to misclassify the twenty eighteen Toronto van attack.

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>That attacker Alec Manassian is mentioned by name in the paper,

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 2>and one of the tables listing fatalities by country does

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 2>appear to include the ten people who died in that attack.

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 2>An eleventh victim passed away from their injuries in twenty

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty one, but that was after the paper was published,

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 2>so I can only assume the author included it as

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:39.759
<v Speaker 2>a data point, but they didn't classify it as right

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:44.799
<v Speaker 2>wing extremism. And with only four categories, that must mean

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 2>that they're classifying the obsessively violent racism and misogyny of

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the Inceell movement as mental disturbance. I know it sounds

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 2>like I'm being too hard on this paper. Why am

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>I even telling you about it? If it's so flawed?

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Why did I use it? Because as I was reading

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 2>through reports prepared by federal government agencies, internal memos, training materials,

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:15.359
<v Speaker 2>public bulletins from the DHS, the FBI, the TSA, this

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 2>is the study that's always in the footnotes, so I

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 2>think it bears dissecting because it's the one the government

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 2>is reading. And these flaws become even more apparent when

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.719
<v Speaker 2>you read the follow up paper written by the same

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 2>authors a year later in the fall of twenty twenty.

0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 2>That paper is called Metal against Marchers, an Analysis of

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 2>recent incidents involving vehicle assaults at US political protests and rallies,

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and it is dismissive of the one hundred and four

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>vehicle ramming incidents on protests during the summer of twenty

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty that were cataloged by Ari wil. The paper says,

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:58.440
<v Speaker 2>these encounters are being described as quote attacks or quote

0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 2>domestic terrorism, but as this report indicates, the events taking

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 2>place at the protests differ in a number of ways

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.880
<v Speaker 2>from the vehicle ramming attacks previously carried out by terrorist

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:11.800
<v Speaker 2>organizations and reviewed in our earlier report Smashing into Crowds

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:16.359
<v Speaker 2>and Analysis of Vehicle Ramming Attacks. And in their analysis,

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:19.759
<v Speaker 2>they looked at just fifty two of those incidents, and

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.839
<v Speaker 2>they immediately discard nine of them as obvious accidents. And

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't doubt that some of them were. Of the

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 2>forty three incidents that they examined more closely, they determined

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 2>that there was clear evidence of malicious intent nineteen of

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 2>them and another sixteen were possibly malicious. So, by their

0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:45.399
<v Speaker 2>own analysis, eighty one percent of the incidents that they

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:49.320
<v Speaker 2>decided met their own criteria for being examined as vehicle

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:55.160
<v Speaker 2>ramming attacks. Eighty one percent of them looked intentional and malicious.

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 2>And even if you just look at the ones where

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 2>they say it's definitely malicious, forty four percent, and that's

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 2>right in line with the forty five percent of attacks

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:08.480
<v Speaker 2>that were deemed malicious in Ari Wil's original analysis. So

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like they agree, right, But the next ten

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>pages are devoted to downplaying, excusing, writing off, and ignoring

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 2>the danger that this data suggests when particularly appalling passage reads.

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.799
<v Speaker 2>In a number of cases, it appears that drivers found

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.840
<v Speaker 2>themselves in a crowd, which led to a heated exchange

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 2>during which the driver pushed.

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Through the pedestrians.

0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 2>It could be described as the vehicle pedestrian equivalent of

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:43.799
<v Speaker 2>road rage. In still others, drivers deliberately drove to a

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>demonstration and then plowed through a crowd to display belligerents

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:54.320
<v Speaker 2>and intimidate the protesters. This would be the vehicular equivalent

0:47:54.360 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 2>of brandishing a weapon. Now, first of all, what they're

0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:16.720
<v Speaker 2>talking about here is a premeditated confrontation that the driver

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:21.480
<v Speaker 2>escalated to an assault with a deadly weapon. Brandishing a

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:25.320
<v Speaker 2>weapon just means like pulling your gun out and showing

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:27.800
<v Speaker 2>it in a way that could be perceived as threatening.

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Hitting someone with your car even a little bit is

0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.399
<v Speaker 2>more akin to I don't know, pulling out your gun

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 2>during a disagreement, taking the safety off, chambering around, holding

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 2>it to someone's temple, and then pistol whipping them with it.

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 2>You're not just demonstrating that you have a weapon, which

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.279
<v Speaker 2>would be I don't know, parking across the street and

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 2>revving the engine a little bit.

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>You're using it. You're using the weapon.

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:01.720
<v Speaker 2>The extremely low fatality rate of those attacks from twenty twenty,

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 2>as well as the general apparent lack of intent to kill,

0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:09.120
<v Speaker 2>even among those attackers who clearly demonstrate malicious intent and

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 2>intent to harm, are both cited as evidence that these

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 2>incidents aren't the same as the vehicular ramming attacks in

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 2>the earlier paper. But nowhere in that paper did they

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:23.320
<v Speaker 2>claim that intent to kill was a requirement, and terrorism

0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:26.800
<v Speaker 2>itself broadly defined both in the law and in general

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:32.439
<v Speaker 2>research doesn't require intent to kill. Remember, the definition used

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 2>by the researchers that this author cites in his own

0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 2>work is just the threatened or actual use of illegal

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 2>force and violence by a nonstate actor to attaining political, economic, religious,

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:44.600
<v Speaker 2>or social goal through fear, querition, or intimidation.

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 1>And what is that.

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 2>If you bump somebody a little bit with your car,

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 2>that is actual use of force as well as the

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>threat of lethal force. If these people who are engaging

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:01.040
<v Speaker 2>in political activity that you disagree with, don't go home,

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 2>that's what it is. And then there are claims in

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 2>the paper that just outright contradict their own prior work quote. However,

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:15.800
<v Speaker 2>more of the earlier cases could be connected with ongoing

0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:21.359
<v Speaker 2>campaigns of terrorist violence jihadists, wigers Palestinians, even if they

0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 2>were carried out by individual perpetrators who were inspired, as

0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:28.400
<v Speaker 2>opposed to being directed to take action. Only two of

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:31.359
<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty cases can be connected with an identifiable group.

0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 2>None of the twenty twenty cases thus far show evidence

0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:39.800
<v Speaker 2>of being ordered or assisted by an organization. And you

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.960
<v Speaker 2>might think that sounds like it makes sense, right, but

0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. It doesn't hold water. When Palestinians were carrying

0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.800
<v Speaker 2>out car attacks in the nineties, there was no group

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.880
<v Speaker 2>calling for that as a tactic. In later years, people

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 2>are talking about it, people are calling for it. But

0:50:57.719 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a study of Palestinian vehicle attacks from two thousand to

0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:05.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen shows no group affiliation for any perpetrator in

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the data set. The vast majority of jihadist inspired vehicle

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 2>tax in the United States and Europe in the last

0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:15.720
<v Speaker 2>ten years were carried out by perpetrators with no known

0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:21.759
<v Speaker 2>actual contact with any group. They weren't members, they never

0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:26.680
<v Speaker 2>talked to anybody. They just saw it online. And if

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 2>seeing political propaganda online is sufficient to connect an attacker

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 2>to a group or ideology, you can't exclude the attacks

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 2>on protests in the United States. The American drivers plowing

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>through protests aren't doing it in a vacuum.

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:45.960
<v Speaker 1>They're right.

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Most of these attackers aren't affiliated with what they're thinking

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:55.000
<v Speaker 2>of as official groups, terrorist organizations, hate groups. Skip was

0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 2>definitely a klansman, but that was an outlier. Most of

0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 2>them aren't moo cases. We do know what they believe

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and what kind of media environment they're existing in. I'm

0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 2>not talking about going on the dark corners of the

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Internet to download copies of al Qaeda magazines and isis videos.

0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:14.959
<v Speaker 1>There's always a lot.

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Of airtime for discussion about Islamic extremist content and couraging

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 2>these kinds of attacks, and that is out there. Don't

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:23.879
<v Speaker 2>get me wrong, I'm not saying it's not out there.

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.880
<v Speaker 2>In the fall of twenty ten, Inspire magazine, the English

0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 2>language publication by an al Qaida group in Yemen, published

0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:36.279
<v Speaker 2>an article called the Ultimate Mowing Machine. Most of the

0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 2>first page of the article is taken up by a

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:42.080
<v Speaker 2>gigantic image of a Ford F two fifty, but the

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 2>text of the article encourages adherents to carry out these

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 2>kinds of attacks.

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Quote.

0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 2>The idea is to use a pickup truck as a

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 2>mowing machine, not to mow grass, but to mow down

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:57.160
<v Speaker 2>the enemies of a law, the magazine says.

0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Quote. The ideal location.

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Is a place where there are a maximum number of

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:05.799
<v Speaker 2>pedestrians and the least number of vehicles. In fact, if

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you can get through to pedestrian only locations that exist

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 2>in some downtown city center areas, that would be fabulous.

0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:14.960
<v Speaker 2>There are some places that are closed down for vehicles

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 2>at certain times due to the swarms of people. That

0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:23.799
<v Speaker 2>magazine article did exist, and there was another article in

0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:27.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen published by an ISIS affiliated group that had

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:32.719
<v Speaker 2>a similar message. Notably, though, most researchers go out of

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:36.560
<v Speaker 2>their way to explain that there was actually no measurable

0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:39.440
<v Speaker 2>increase in this type of attack after either of those

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 2>articles were published, and in fact, both of those articles

0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:47.520
<v Speaker 2>were published immediately after a relatively high profile attack of

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:52.600
<v Speaker 2>this kind, so rather than inspiring future attacks, they seem

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>to be trying to capitalize on the publicity surrounding an

0:53:56.719 --> 0:54:02.719
<v Speaker 2>attack that had just happened. But yes, there are, of

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 2>course Islamic extremist groups that do put out explicit calls

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 2>for this kind of attack.

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not hiding that from you. But they're not alone.

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.480
<v Speaker 2>In January twenty seventeen, The Daily Caller, a right wing

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 2>news website founded by Tucker Carlson, posted a video online

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 2>with the headline, here's a reel of cars flowing through

0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 2>protesters trying to block the road.

0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:31.440
<v Speaker 1>And the video was just that.

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:36.280
<v Speaker 2>It's a ninety second compilation of clips of vehicular ramming

0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:37.640
<v Speaker 2>attacks on protesters.

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:40.880
<v Speaker 1>It's set to a.

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Bizarre I don't know sort of a pop rock soft

0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:51.279
<v Speaker 2>piano cover of Ludacris's song Move Bitch, and before the

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 2>violence starts on the screen, the Daily Caller helpfully warns

0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 2>viewers that the song has a lot of profanity in it,

0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:00.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, in case you don't like to hear bad

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 2>words and might want to mute it before viewing people

0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:08.160
<v Speaker 2>get thrown into the air by speeding cars. There's no

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:12.320
<v Speaker 2>mention or warning that there will be graphic violence, although

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess you can assume that from the title. The

0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:19.800
<v Speaker 2>site's video editor, Mike Roused wrote on the post, here's

0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:22.440
<v Speaker 2>a compilation of liberal protesters getting pushed out of the

0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 2>way by cars and trucks. Study the technique. It may

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 2>prove useful in the next four years. None of these

0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:35.920
<v Speaker 2>clips are new, but that doesn't mean they're not still fresh.

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:39.920
<v Speaker 2>And that post stayed up for eight months after James

0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 2>alex Field's murdered Heather Higher and August of that year,

0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the Daily Caller quietly deleted the post and didn't respond to.

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:47.839
<v Speaker 1>Requests for comment about it.

0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Fox News did issue an official statement saying that they

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:56.560
<v Speaker 2>regretted reposting the video to Fox Nation, which at the

0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.440
<v Speaker 2>time was an official Fox news companion site focused on

0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:00.640
<v Speaker 2>opinion and commentary.

0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:05.400
<v Speaker 1>But the video was there all year, was there.

0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:10.360
<v Speaker 2>All summer twenty seventeen. It wasn't just James alex Field's

0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:12.919
<v Speaker 2>and the other Unite the Right attendees posting memes about

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:18.359
<v Speaker 2>running people over. And as if that weren't enough, that

0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty paper from the Minetta Transportation Institute concludes with

0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:28.279
<v Speaker 2>one final handwaving dismissal of the very idea quote the

0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 2>numbers cited in this review of meaning in the more

0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:34.480
<v Speaker 2>than ten thousand demonstrations during the late spring and summer

0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:37.120
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty, there was something on the order of

0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:41.760
<v Speaker 2>one hundred incidents. Ari Wyle assigned malicious intent to forty

0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 2>three of these events, while we discern malicious intent in

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:49.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty five of them. In either case, it is a

0:56:49.560 --> 0:56:50.720
<v Speaker 2>very small number.

0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:55.760
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not. No, it's not that's not true.

0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:59.319
<v Speaker 2>That is a lie. I did notice a lot of

0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:02.960
<v Speaker 2>errors in their first paper. They have a lot of tables,

0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of slicing and dicing their numbers in

0:57:05.560 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 2>different ways, and I think a lot of the numbers

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 2>are wrong because from one table to the next sort

0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of rearranging the same numbers in different configurations than numbers

0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:16.200
<v Speaker 2>don't match.

0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:18.240
<v Speaker 1>So maybe they're just not numbers. Guys.

0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he doesn't know that this isn't a very small number,

0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:25.280
<v Speaker 2>because by their own methodology, they've identified thirty five separate

0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 2>incidents of malicious intentional vehicle ramming attacks on political protesters

0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:36.280
<v Speaker 2>during a four month period in the United States. Their

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.760
<v Speaker 2>prior paper, which they're comparing this to and saying this

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.280
<v Speaker 2>isn't like that, this is not a big deal, that

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:47.040
<v Speaker 2>paper identified twenty four vehicle ramming attacks in the United

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:51.120
<v Speaker 2>States between twenty fourteen and twenty nineteen twenty four over

0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:57.360
<v Speaker 2>a five year period. Thirty five in four months is

0:57:57.400 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>more than twenty times the frequency of the attacks in

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<v Speaker 2>the earlier data set. That's not a small number. That's

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<v Speaker 2>either an emergency or a sign you need to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the drawing board and look at your fucking methodology.

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<v Speaker 2>In the paper by Miller and Hayward, they write that

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle ramming attacks have a virus like quality. In twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>they very quickly rose from a fairly rare, isolated event

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<v Speaker 2>to what is now the most deadly form of terror

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 2>attack in the Western world. And this paper takes a

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<v Speaker 2>more sociological approach than the other one, which is again

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<v Speaker 2>firmly entrenched in the problematic world of terrorism studies, inc. So,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of trying to categorize attackers by guessing at their motives,

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<v Speaker 2>this paper looks at the act itself, noting the wide

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<v Speaker 2>ideological diversity among the perpetrators in their data set. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>typically being framed in one of these two ways. Vehicle

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<v Speaker 2>ramming attacks aren't a jihattist tactic that escaped containment, and

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't at Palestinian invention.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tool.

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<v Speaker 2>The tool itself has no ideology. It's just something that

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<v Speaker 2>is low tech and accessible. You don't need to buy

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<v Speaker 2>special equipment or have particular training or skills. Anyone can

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<v Speaker 2>do it, and they do. Perpetrators of this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>attack run the entire spectrum, but that virus like quality

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<v Speaker 2>means you're more likely to catch it if you're exposed

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<v Speaker 2>to it on a regular basis and in large doses.

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<v Speaker 2>At the risk of being too blunt about it, the

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<v Speaker 2>papers from the Meneta Transportation Institute are.

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<v Speaker 1>Grotesque to me.

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<v Speaker 2>They downplay the violence of right wing actors and over

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<v Speaker 2>emphasize the threat of Islamic extremist attacks by spending most

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<v Speaker 2>of the paper discussing that type of attack, despite it

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<v Speaker 2>representing a very small portion of the TI data. There

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<v Speaker 2>have been a few dozen, very deadly, high profile attacks

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<v Speaker 2>in the last ten years, mostly in Europe, where the

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<v Speaker 2>attacker's motivation was absolutely Islamic extremism. I'm not saying those

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<v Speaker 2>attacks don't happen, that those events don't matter. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>covering them up or hiding them from you, or making

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<v Speaker 2>excuses for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't approve of those but.

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<v Speaker 2>These self selected data sets put the spotlight on those events.

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<v Speaker 2>By excluding a long and bloody history of vehicles as

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<v Speaker 2>a tool of political violence, it is a political choice

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on a particular piece of data, and by

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly reasserting this claim that the tactic was invented in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties by Palestinians despite the existence of earlier data points,

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<v Speaker 2>they equate the desperate acts of an oppressed people fighting

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<v Speaker 2>an occupying army with the only tools at their disposal.

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<v Speaker 2>They're equating that with the activity excellent suburban American racist

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<v Speaker 2>and a pickup truck who thinks liberals don't have civil rights.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing these two types of attacks have in

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<v Speaker 2>common is the attacker's access to a low tech, widely

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<v Speaker 2>available weapon, their intent, their context, their motivation. None of

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<v Speaker 2>these things are the same. These are not the same phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the same tool. The prevalence with which that

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<v Speaker 2>paper is cited in materials written by and for American

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement agencies should tell you something. They want you

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<v Speaker 2>to be afraid of the people the government already doesn't like,

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<v Speaker 2>and they want you to be afraid to exercise your

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<v Speaker 2>right to protest. Palestinians didn't invent vehicular attacks. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to look to the West Bank. Look at our

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<v Speaker 2>own history, look at the relatively recent news. Americans who

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<v Speaker 2>have been victims of politically motive violence at the front

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<v Speaker 2>end of a car are union workers. They were people

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<v Speaker 2>who took to the streets to protest war and nuclear bombs.

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<v Speaker 2>There are people who wanted peace, people who wanted civil rights,

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<v Speaker 2>people who wanted equality, and the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 2>The blood on those bumpers is theirs. There seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be a vested interest in making sure that when you

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<v Speaker 2>think of a violent man driving into a crowd, that

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<v Speaker 2>you are thinking of a racist caricature of a Muslim man,

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<v Speaker 2>when you should be thinking of the bosses and the scabs,

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<v Speaker 2>and the racists and the cops and the people who've

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<v Speaker 2>had their brains rotted out. In the comment section under

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<v Speaker 2>a Twitter post from a meme account that sometimes gets

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<v Speaker 2>a laugh emoji reply from Elon Musk. After James alex

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<v Speaker 2>Field's murdered Heather Hire in twenty seventeen, a police officer

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<v Speaker 2>in Springfield, Massachusetts got on Facebook and he posted a

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<v Speaker 2>news story about the attack, and with that link he wrote, Ahaha,

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<v Speaker 2>love this. In twenty twenty, as Summer Tailor lay dying

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<v Speaker 2>in a hospital in Seattle, a King County Sheriff's detective

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<v Speaker 2>posted a mean depicting a vehicle running someone over and

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<v Speaker 2>the text read all lives splatter. To remove any doubt

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<v Speaker 2>that he was absolutely talking about Summer Taylor, who was

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<v Speaker 2>at that time not yet dead but would be soon,

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<v Speaker 2>he commented on his own post, I see a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of people got infected with COVID nineteen from the hood

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<v Speaker 2>of a car on I five last night, and the

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<v Speaker 2>media landscape today is even worse. Open encouragement to run

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<v Speaker 2>protesters down in your car as being aired on major

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<v Speaker 2>news networks. The governor of Florida says you should do it.

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<v Speaker 2>People in right wing media ecosystems are consuming an incredible

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<v Speaker 2>amount of content that normalizes this extremely specific act of violence.

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<v Speaker 2>They're being desensitized to it. It's a joke, but they

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<v Speaker 2>mean it, and for a tiny fraction of a percentage

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<v Speaker 2>of them, that seed will grow into something hideous. A

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<v Speaker 2>sudden violent urge, a moment's premeditation were not of months

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