1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Thing from iHeartRadio My guest Today is an actor, producer, director, 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: and author of a new memoir, The Friday Afternoon Club. 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Griffin Dunn is known for his roles in cult film 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: favorites like An American Werewolf in London and Martin Scorsese's 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: After Hours. You may have also seen done in popular 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: TV series such as This Is Us and Succession. As 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: a director, Griffin Dunn's work includes Practical Magic, Fierce People, 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: and the documentary on his aunt titled Joan Didion The 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: Center Will Not Hold. Growing up among famous relatives and 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: a father in show business, Griffin Dunn had an unconventional childhood. 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: My father when I was growing up was very different 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: than the man he ended up becoming. You know, when 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: I was growing up, he was very angry, Irish Catholic 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: kind of rage you know, suppressed. He was closeted, which 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: was you know, not known at the time, and he 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: was also very kind of superficial about how things looked, 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: and he dictated what we would wear and what we'd 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: go to school in. And it was really tough kind 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: of being around him, and I had that awful feeling 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: as a kid to be a little embarrassed of my dad, 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: you know, like he wasn't like a manly, manly guy. 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: And you know, my best friends. I went to a 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: school in la and everybody was in show business, all 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: the parents and my best friends their father was one 26 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: was Jack Palance, who you know almost killed Shane, and 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: the other was Howard Keel who was a lumberjack. And 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: then there was my dad, and you know comings exactly. 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: You know, I was once so embarrassed that I came 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: to school and I said that my dad was in 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: jail for robbing a bank. And the lie went through 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: the school like small party or something, and the principal 33 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: of the school called my dad and go, oh my god, Nick, 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: you're out. And he goes, what are you talking about? Well, 35 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: I heard you were you were in jail for robbing 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: a bank. And he brought me. My dad brought me 37 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: into the you know, into this room, and he said, 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: is that something you'd like me to do? So when 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: it came time, you know, for him, as many couples 40 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: do when they break the news to their kids that 41 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: they're going to get a divorce, they plan what they're 42 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: going to say, you know, so they looks like a 43 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: mutual decision. 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: And did your dad say he was going back to prison? 45 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: Now we would have loved that, but he, you know, 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: my dad had the first line and he went off script. 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: He just burst into tears and went, your mother doesn't 48 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: love me anymore and she's dumped me and she's leaving. 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: And you know, we were all. I was about ten, 50 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 2: my brother was eight, my sister was six, and we'd 51 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: never really seen adults quite cry before, and it was 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: particularly my younger brother and sister. So they burst into 53 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: tears and they were really crying, and my dad was 54 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: really going at it. And I got nothing I got. 55 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: I'm dry as a bone, and I just feel awful 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: thee Yeah, I felt nothing. I felt nothing, and so 57 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: I try to, you know, get a couple of whimpers 58 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: going and yeah, and it cleared my eyes and making 59 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: sounds and I'm looking I see my mother. She's crying. 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: I'm wow, that's really bad. And then I opened my 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: eyes and she's looking at me through her eyes and 62 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: they're just totally dry, and I catch her faking it. 63 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: She knows I'm faking it, and a bond happened any 64 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: of a beautiful beginning of a beautiful relationship. And when he, 65 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: you know, moved out, I became, at a very young 66 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: age sort of the man. 67 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: Of the house. 68 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: I was eleven. 69 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: Two stings happened with me really well, not so much 70 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: in divorce, but at some point my sister and I 71 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: was Cinderella, Me were the help. 72 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother. 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: Spent the whole day every day shooting basketballs, playing with 74 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: football in pools, and my sister and I did the laundry, 75 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: rake the leaves, cut the grass, shovel of the snow, 76 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: cooked the meal. Then so you're twelve, and when he leaves, 77 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: where does he go? Does he go far away or 78 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: is he nearby? 79 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: He goes to an apartment, you know, real kind of 80 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: a Jack Lemon bachelor park in California, and you know, real, 81 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: you know, sad sech kind of a apartment that we're 82 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: supposed to go to on the weekends that we never do. 83 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: And you know, my mom was like she what she 84 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: became very I would say, she she would over share, 85 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: and you know, and she you know, she liked her wine, 86 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: and she let me stay up late. I felt terribly 87 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 2: grown up. And she'd let me have a little SIPs 88 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: of wine like they do in Europe with the children 89 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: in Europe, and she get a little bombed and just overshare, 90 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: and I felt terribly grown up. 91 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: You know. 92 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: My dad would be come home from work. He'd come 93 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: home and he'd get on the couch and have the 94 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: New York Times, and he'd read those pithy little blurbs 95 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: about the movies on TV on a million on the 96 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: Late Show, and he'd read it and he say, you. 97 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: Know, Ball of Fire, that's a great movie. You'd say 98 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: to me, let's watch a few minutes. 99 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: My dad would, oh, you gotta go to bed. It's 100 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: eleven thirty. You gotta go to bed. It's eleven thirty. 101 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: I go, let's watch ten minutes of him. Just ten, 102 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: You go, all right, we'll watch tennis. Ten minutes goes by. 103 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: He's fast asleep. He passes out on the couch, and 104 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: I watched all the Bowl of Fire. How Green was 105 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: My Valley? Sorry, wrong number, passage to Marseille. I watch 106 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: all the movies I watched in my life, and. 107 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: Like like you, they wanted they were lonely. They want 108 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: to compassion. 109 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: Absolutely No. That's the other thing that happened too, was 110 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: like all the structure went out the window, and my mother, 111 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: you know, was beginning to get sick. She had MS 112 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: and and so we would go to her bedroom and 113 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: we'd eat on TV trays everything, and it would be 114 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 2: you know, we had a housekeeper that pretty much raised 115 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: me as well. She was Mexican, and we would have 116 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: rice and beans just on the thing. We would eat 117 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: at all different hours. We'd take our tray and we'd 118 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: watch them and we would watch movies till my brother 119 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: and sister go to sleep, but she'd let me stay 120 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: up and we would watch. You know, there was one 121 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: movie called Suddenly Last Summer that was so terrifying to me, 122 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: you know, and I guess there was like a really 123 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: scary gay theme that was under in cannibalism, and there 124 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 2: was Catherine Hepburn, you know, on one of those chairs 125 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,559 Speaker 2: that would come down the stairs, and for some reason 126 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: we it would be a million dollar movie, and you know, 127 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: they'd play the movies over and over and over. So 128 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: we would watch this movie. We knew it line by line. 129 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: And then when my mother, you know, advanced further, she 130 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: had to get one of those chairs and we would 131 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: just do Catherine Hepburn imitations. On this chair coming down 132 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: the stairs. All those late night movies, you know, really 133 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: were imprinted. They became like the language that we would speak. 134 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: My mother just knew every movie, every musical, every She 135 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: wanted to be but she wasn't she She when she 136 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: got pregnant with me, she decided to just become a housewife. 137 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: And when she when you say her symptoms of MSS, 138 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: her battle with them, I speagan when she was how. 139 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: Old, I'd say in her thirties, because. 140 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: She done when she was sixty five. 141 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, down in No Gallas, No Gas. 142 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: That's kind of her family's. 143 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: That's where she went. She returned there. 144 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: So your family, your mother's family, that was the railroad 145 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: wheel car enterprise exactly. 146 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: Her father was from family that in Chicago, Chicago called, 147 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: and they had the Griffin Wheel Company, and the Griffin 148 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,119 Speaker 2: wheels were at one time on all the pullman cars 149 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: in America. So it was quite an empire. Yes, And 150 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: my grandfather really had no interest in taking on that business. 151 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: He yeah, I know what was he thinking? And he 152 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: went to he was like, you know, like Teddy Roosevelt. 153 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: He had weak lungs and ended up in Arizona when 154 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: he was a kid, and just fell in love with 155 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: the landscape, the air in the desert. So when he could, 156 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: he was supposed to be married in a society wedding 157 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: in Chicago, and he literally left her on the altar 158 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: and went to Nogalis, where he became a cattle rancher 159 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: and knew nothing about cattle and bred this like a 160 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: very risky kind of cow and was very successful at it. 161 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: And my mother grew up on this ranch. 162 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming not to be ghost about this, but 163 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: your mother's family was on all the resources that you 164 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: grew up with exactly. 165 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: She flirted with being an actress, but she didn't take 166 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: it seriously. 167 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: She didn't. She didn't and she wasn't. I think she 168 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: had tremendous regret about it, you know. And when I later, 169 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: when I got kicked out of school and I decided 170 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: to become an actor, we moved to New York and 171 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: was the high school dropout. She actually wasn't disappointed. She 172 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: was a little oddly envious, and she was like, kind 173 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: of go for it. 174 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 4: That. 175 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, now your was your mind. 176 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: I didn't see the photos of there were Your mother 177 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: was a beautiful woman. 178 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: She camera ready, she was so beautiful. She was often 179 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: mistaken for Jennifer Jones and for Elizabeth Taylor in a 180 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 2: place in the sun. That's the look I rememorder. Oh 181 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: my god, you know. And I was as a little boy, 182 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: I knew how beautiful she was. I was just in 183 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: awe of her beauty. And in this family, as you said, 184 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: all this Griffin Wheel company money kind of withered down. 185 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: She was very comfortable and was able to want she 186 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: married my dad. My dad was able to, you know, 187 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: buy a house that he wouldn't normally have been able 188 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: to cry. But you know, the previous generations outside of 189 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: the founder, griff of Griffin who in the team seventies, 190 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: they were all scoundrels and drunks and philanderers, you know, 191 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: and absolutely it just sort of dwindled down. You know 192 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: that her grandfather, my mother's grandfather, you know, died with 193 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: his mistress on a on a yacht off Palm Beach, 194 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: and his crew loaded his body onto a tender and 195 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: checked him into. 196 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: The breakers and propped him up in the breakers. 197 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: They propped him up, and then they called the wife, 198 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: missus Griffin, and said, we have terrible news. Your husband 199 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: is dead. And she turned to her lover, who was 200 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: an admiral in the navy, and. 201 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: They were the Coronado. 202 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: Where were they and Coronado exactly, and she said, my 203 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: husband died. 204 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: Ever a split screen scene in the movie this. 205 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: Is this is like sturges, you know, and she says, 206 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: my husband died. We can get married, and do you 207 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: want to go to the funeral? And so they get 208 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: married the next day, and then they train, and then 209 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: they get on. 210 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: A train and. 211 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: Then they the Griffin family is so outraged because it's 212 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: front page news in the New York Times. It's all over. 213 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: It's called widow for a day. And they derail the 214 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 2: train to go to. 215 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 3: Wisconsin, the train to send him on their way. 216 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: And she got all the money too. 217 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: Now, your dad, who I knew of him, met him 218 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: at the screening of The Dock in Southampton years I 219 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: remember the latter day people called him then Nick Dunn. 220 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: The latter day Nick Dunn and his pals was just 221 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: very very warm and sweet and kind. 222 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he loved you and he kind of really just 223 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: divested himself of all of angry Well what we'll called 224 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: Mick done. Yes, how about that happened? Anyway, When you 225 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: decide you want to become an actor. How does it begin? 226 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: Meaning you start you go where to become an actor? 227 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: Quote unquo. 228 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 2: Well, I was sent studied, Well, my parents always sent 229 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: me to these boys' schools. I never went to school 230 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 2: girls from the time, well probably, I mean it was 231 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: just like the thing that you can't have. And you know, 232 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: when I went to this boarding school when I was eleven, 233 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: and we did operettas by Gilbert and Sullivan, and only 234 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: we would wear dresses. I would wear like buttercup, and 235 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: I'd have tennis balls for breast, and we'd wear lipstick 236 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: and wigs. I mean it was pretty, you're too, So 237 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: I didn't really think I wanted to be an actor 238 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: after that. And then and and also you know, as 239 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: I ended up in high school and another school, I 240 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: really wasn't crazy about showbiz. I loved what my aunt 241 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 2: and uncle were doing that they were journalists. I thought 242 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 2: maybe I'd like to do that. And this guy taught 243 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: me the drama teacher, a guy named Hunter Frost, just 244 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: insisted that I auditioned for Zoos Story by Ed in Colorado. 245 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: I read this play and I understood Jerry and Zoos 246 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: story immediately. I auditioned and I got the part. And 247 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: once I did that play and I felt that thing 248 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: from the audience, and I just knew that was what 249 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: I was going to do. So I became kind of 250 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: Joe actor on the campus. And then I was doing 251 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: Iago and Othello. We were in rehearsal and literally kids 252 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: would come watch me, and the principal would watch, sit 253 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: in the back and watch, and I knew he was thinking, 254 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: this kid's going to be great for fundraising in the future. 255 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: This would be great. And my best friend at the time, 256 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: we got really heavily into drugs, comes in my room 257 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: the night before the performance with a joint, you know, 258 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: or a hash pipe, and he lights it up and 259 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: I take a toke and the a teacher walks in 260 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 2: and I got kicked out of school and I never 261 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: get to do a Fellow, but it gave me the 262 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: bug to It was just a matter of time. At 263 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: that time, I was seventeen. By the time I was eighteen, 264 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: I was moving to New York. I went to the 265 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: Neighborhood Playhouse. Only did one year there. I had real neighborhood. 266 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: That's a win. 267 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Wyn Hammond was a teacher there. I had 268 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: a guy named Freddy Carramon, who was incredible. So I 269 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: only went there a year. I wasn't asked back a 270 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: second year, and then I studied with with a Hogen, 271 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: who I was well out of my league. You know. 272 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: When I went there, I hadn't done anything, and I 273 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: fibbed about what I did on the resume, and I 274 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: prepared a monologue from Catcher in the Rye. As soon 275 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: as I saw her, I immediately forgot every word and 276 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: I just made it up. So I took a bus 277 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: down here and I changed the thing and I bought 278 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: a doughnut at the whatever occurred to me, and I 279 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: made it sound like Holden Cawfield, and she, darling, that 280 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: was incredible. She could tell I didn't know what the 281 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: fuck I was doing, like you know, yeah, but I 282 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: begged her to let me stay, and then I kind 283 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,119 Speaker 2: of found myself in that class, and she was incredible. 284 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: Did you ever study with stell Adler? 285 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: No? 286 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: I went to Strasburg. 287 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: I was sent back then and they had Stella Jack 288 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: Garfine their own in house ETW Strasburg, and my teachers 289 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: were Marshall Halfret, who. 290 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: I love, and Jeffrey Horne, who is my dear friend. 291 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: Jeff ninety two. 292 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: Now, Stella used to do a workshop in Los Angeles 293 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: for one summer, and so I went to audition for 294 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: that is before I went to the playhouse. And I 295 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: was just such an earnest young man, and I thought 296 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: it was auditioning for her, but it was for a 297 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: guy who sounded very much like your teacher. And I 298 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: did Candida the Shaw play and I was acting my 299 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: little heart out, and he had a dog with a 300 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: collar that must have had a million charblays, and he 301 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: would scratch all the way through my thing. And he goes, 302 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: I'm not really sure you quite got the stuff for Stella. 303 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: You might have to come back. So I came back. 304 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: I did it. I worked so hard, and he said, 305 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to take a chance on you. So he 306 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: lets me be with Stella, and I come to Stella 307 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: the first class. She's just this dynamic, strong woman. And 308 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: sometimes she would say she would grab her the hem 309 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: of her shirt and she go, it's gotta come from here, 310 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: and you think she means her heart, but then she 311 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: pulls down her t shirt and you see her breast 312 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: for like two seconds, and then she pulls them back up, 313 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: go it's gotta come from there. Sorry, and I'm looking 314 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: at that at the class. Around the class there are 315 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: not many women and the most incredibly handsome men I've 316 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: ever seen in my whole life, right, I mean, no. 317 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: Jaws that come out here, and you know, Josh things. 318 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: So he goes, all right, so we will take the 319 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: first scene here Vick Ronson and Rock Thurber, you and. 320 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: These guys hospital. 321 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: They go, what, let's sell? I goes, so, what scene 322 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: you boys going. 323 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: To be doing? 324 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: We're gonna do the uh, the shootout scene, the final 325 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: shootout scene from Butch Cassidy in this dance kids I 326 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: did Canada, I did Shaw. So they go and they 327 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: stand behind these they crouch behind these Samsonite chairs. They 328 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: take out their fingers and they go, you ready, Butcher 329 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: ready Sundays And they just do for the whole scene. 330 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: And she goes, oh, that was wonderful. And so I 331 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: was just the only straight guy in the class. I 332 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: guess I don't know what this is in la. Yeah, 333 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: of course it is. 334 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 335 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: My great gift from doing Strasburg was gender rehearsal casting. 336 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: You know, they cast a production of Cuckoo's Nests and 337 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: I was nurse Ratchet as a man but I remember 338 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: that whole idea. So when I teach acting, I got 339 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: gender reversal everything. 340 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: Then, Gary, Well, I gotta tell you, you know they My 341 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: daughter was in American Buffalo in high school, and to 342 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: do it with an all female cast. It was mind 343 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 2: blowing because you see that those guys are protecting their masculinity. 344 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: They have so much going, you know, to protect in 345 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 2: their manhood, and to see women play that is an 346 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: entirely another dimension. It was incredibly moving. I love when 347 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: that happened. 348 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 3: In an acting class. I had a guy. 349 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 1: This was an acting class for non majors at Southampton College. 350 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: And the guy comes in. He's a mailman's a male 351 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: man who wanted to take the acting class with may 352 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: probably forty pounds overweight. He's a big barrel of a man. 353 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: So I made him do the children's hour. I made 354 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: him stand there with the guy. I made him stand 355 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: on the stage with another guy and go. But I 356 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: do love you that way, you know what I mean. 357 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: I wanted everybody to try everything. 358 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: I love that when people have that drive but they've 359 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: got a life that has nothing to do with acting. 360 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: Before they decide to become actors, a real life and 361 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: that's so fascinating to me how some people get into it. 362 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: Was one guy at the Neighborhood Playhouse who went through 363 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: the entire medical school head a degree, a doctorate degree 364 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 2: to be a brain surgeon, a brain surgeon, and he said, no, 365 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 2: I want to go to acting class. Like wow, Okay. 366 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the kind of poll of doing what you. 367 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 3: Love, Actor and director Griffin Dunn. 368 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: If you enjoy conversations about complex family relationships, check out 369 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: my episode with novelist Erika Jong and her daughter, writer Malyijang. 370 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: Fast. 371 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 4: On the one hand, you're supposed to look like a 372 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: fashion model retouched, and on the other hand, you're supposed 373 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 4: to claim to a sophistication you don't and cannot have 374 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 4: at that age. And I think that women who are 375 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 4: fourteen fifteen are in the most difficult position they have 376 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 4: ever been in modern society. 377 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: What do you think about that? 378 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I agree, I think there's a lot of sexuality. 379 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 3: I think it's not explained to young girls in. 380 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 4: A way, very confusing, Molly. 381 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: But I think that's a legacy of the feminist movement. 382 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 3: I mean, we said we. 383 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: Wanted a legacy. I'm the feminist movement. 384 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: To hear more of my conversation with Erika Jong and 385 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: Mali Jang fast go to Here's the Thing dot Org. 386 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: After the break, Griffin Dunn shares how Tim Burton almost 387 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: directed the film After Hours instead of Martin Scorsese. I'm 388 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's the Thing. 389 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: Griffin Dunn starred in Martin Scorsese's nineteen eighty five film 390 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: After Hours, which has since become a cult classic. In 391 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: addition to his leading role in the film, don was 392 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: also a producer. I was curious about his involvement in 393 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: the project. After what Donn describes as a difficult start 394 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: to his act career. 395 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: I had a very hard time getting the acting job, 396 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: and I really didn't establish myself and start to work 397 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: somewhat regularly until I produced a movie with my partner 398 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: Amy Robinson and a guy named Mark Metcalf, and we 399 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: actually produced a movie with no experience for United artists, 400 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: and I gave myself a small part in it and 401 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: it got the biggest laugh and that led to Werewolf 402 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: and Amy and I then produced another movie called Baby, 403 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: It's You with John Sales, and we had an incredible 404 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: crew that we put together. There was a member of 405 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: union called Nabit, and so we had this all these 406 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: wonderful people working together. And Amy read this script. So 407 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: I had a little bit of credit as an actor. 408 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: But Amy read this script when she was at the 409 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: Sun Dance Institute by a Serbian director named Doujon mcaveef. 410 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 2: Gave her the script and said, you know, my assistant 411 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: wrote this. He's from Columbia. This was his thesis. And 412 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: Amy reads it and goes, this is unbelievable, and she 413 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: sends it to me. I'm in Los Angeles at that time, 414 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: and I'm blown away by the script, the anxiety. I 415 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: had to read it standing up and turn the pages 416 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: with my big toe and just go, oh my god. 417 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: And so Amy was Teresa in mean Streets and she 418 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: knew Marty Scorsese and she said he'd be really good 419 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: for this, like he's really funny, like really, So we 420 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 2: got it to Marty and but Marty was just off 421 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: to do Last Temptation of Christ the first time around 422 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 2: with Aiden Quinn playing Christ, so he was unavailable. And 423 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: then we go to Amy and I were wondering who 424 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: to direct, and my friend Terry Garr had signed on 425 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: already but we didn't have a director, and we go 426 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: see this movie I Forget, which the movie was, but 427 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 2: the short was directed by a guy named Tim Burton, 428 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: and we went, well, what about him? And so we 429 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: go to Burbank Studios where he's an animator at one 430 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 2: of those desks, you know, with lots of other animators, 431 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: and we go to lunch and it's this brilliant young guy, 432 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: you know, with the pencil pocket pencil thing and the 433 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: ink coming through the protector, the pocket protector, and he 434 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: does little drawings and stuff and you just go, Wow, 435 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: what's gonna what's this going to be? And around this 436 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: time we're trying to raise money with me Nobody, Terry, somebody, 437 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 2: but still Tim had not done a movie. It was 438 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: a tough sell. Marty's movie get canceled in Morocco and 439 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: he's got to come back, and on his way back 440 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: he reads at the top of the pile is after 441 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: hours and he lands and he gets back to us. 442 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: We all had the same attorney named Jay Julian. So 443 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: then we had to like tell Tim and we went 444 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: craziest thing happened, and he knew that. We went to 445 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: Marty first, and we start to tell him like, very guilty, intrepidationous. 446 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: Are you telling me mister Scorsese wants to do this movie? 447 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: Well yeah, he said, we haven't gotten back to him yet, 448 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: but I gracefully withdraw. I won't do anything to stand 449 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: in his way. So then it was just meeting Marty 450 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: and I kept waiting for him. I mean, it was 451 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 2: implicit that I was going to play Paul Hackett, but 452 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: I did wait for him to also say how great 453 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: Bobby would be in this, But then he was like no, anyway, 454 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: he started to say, oh, I saw you in Werewolf 455 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: and that was really great and he never thought twice 456 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: about it. So anyway, we're off and running. And then 457 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: I mentioned the Nabit crew because this was so low 458 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: budget and he was in a bit of director's jail 459 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: from King of Comedy, which we now know to be brilliant, 460 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: but at that time was just getting the shit kicked 461 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 2: out of it, and it was very expensive and all 462 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: that stuff. So he was like, had to be had 463 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: to show that I can do a mean streets again. 464 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: I can, you know, be a low to the ground, 465 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: but not with an IA crew. So we gave him 466 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: the Nabit crew and all those people, you know, from 467 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: Michael Ballhouse. That's how we met Michael Io. Yeah, I know, yeah, 468 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 2: and I remember. So anyway, he took all these people 469 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: on with him with movies, many many of the people 470 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: from that crew. 471 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: Where do you get the money from? 472 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: Geffen? Geffen Films, David Geffen? 473 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: He did Beatlejuice with him, He. 474 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 2: Did Beatle Juice with you with him, and yes, and 475 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: matter of fact, I wanted that part really bad, and 476 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: I thought, how come I can store in this movie? 477 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: And maybe it's because I gave tim a movie and 478 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: then took it away that I didn't get your part. 479 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: Just be honest, that was probably a lot cheaper than 480 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 3: you were there. 481 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 2: Well he was cheap. No, you could have gotten me 482 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: for a song. So yeah, he did that. He financed 483 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: it and he god, it was like thirty It was 484 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 2: considered like, look how fast we are running and gunning 485 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: to the ground and getting it. Marty was unbelievably prepared. 486 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 2: So there was never a we never fell behind or anything. 487 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 2: But it was like in those days too, with a 488 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: movie like thirty days. That's all I mean, you know, 489 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: nine and a half weeks. I'm sure it took a 490 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 2: lot longer than nine and a half weeks. I mean 491 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: you would, you would shoot for months and now it's like, no, 492 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: you only got thirty days. Oh, we can do it, 493 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: and so you know, helicopters bring it down the thing. 494 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: That's more than enough. With a gun to your head, 495 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: you can do whatever. Well, Adam, I haven't been on 496 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: one of those movies for months and years. 497 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 4: Oh. 498 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: I mean I did the movie Kat and the Half 499 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: with Mike Myers, which was just a silly role. I 500 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: wanted to do Kat and That because a boat I loved. 501 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: I love I love Bow to Deathic we're one of 502 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: the greatest guys in the business, Catherine O'Hara's husband who 503 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: did all the you know. 504 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: Scissor Hands and everything, and Catherine from After Ours. 505 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: And Catherine exactly. 506 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: And you knew it was a long movie because the 507 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: makeup room decor changed from pumpkins to turkeys to Christmas trees. 508 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: AT's see it all Valentimes. We were there for fucking 509 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: six months doing this stuff. We were a lot of breaks. 510 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: But I mean, yeah, I haven't done like that a 511 00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 3: long time. 512 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: No, I mean that doesn't exist anymore. You know what. 513 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: I just fell into a you know, when you're clicking 514 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: around and then you just went That's not what I 515 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 2: intended to watch at all, and then you're there for 516 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: The next was Hunt for Red October. How long did 517 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: that take? 518 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: That was a few months because I think that they 519 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: gave McTiernan, who was coming. 520 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: Off of a couple. 521 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: He did die hard, he was doing well, this is 522 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: the launch of the Clancy Yeah, Library, this is the 523 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: first one they did, so they were really behind it. 524 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: I always remember that movie that I remember sitting there 525 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: at one point. It didn't hit me till I was 526 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: there was like how many great actress that were. 527 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 3: In that movie? 528 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: Almost makes me cry. I mean, is Scott Glenn, James, 529 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: Earl Jones, Sean or Tim curry Firth who speaks that 530 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: unbroken monologue in Russian as they push in. 531 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: I love That's my favorite thing. I've always wanted to 532 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: steal that for something. Did you ever dream that that 533 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: director would someday be in prison? 534 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 4: Well? 535 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: Now, I kept in touch with him, and I think 536 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: what he basically told me was it was not I 537 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: don't know if this is the right word, prosecutorial for 538 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: which I think that he is involved in a case 539 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: where they want to get him for something and they 540 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: finally get him for what you can perjury. 541 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 3: He lied about something in a time. 542 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: Once they catch you in a lie then and they're 543 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 2: going after the lie, after the bigger fish. And the 544 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: bigger fish was the detective, you know, the private elly 545 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 2: who tapped everything. He's actually in the book. 546 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 3: And yeah, he was on our show. Oh really yeah, yeah, 547 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: our show. We're talking about Anthony Pelco and Pelicana was 548 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: on the show. He did our show. Oh really yeah, 549 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: Well because of the the but he went to prison 550 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: for years ago. I'm well aware, he says. 551 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: I think he says in our show, I'm no rat 552 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: alec and I mean he went he went to jail 553 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: for to prison for a long long time. 554 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: He's in your book, was he he? What was he 555 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 3: doing for the Dune family? 556 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: Well, he changed tones possibly here when the man who 557 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: killed my sister is right here on the cover of 558 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: this book. There, when the man killed my sister and 559 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: did such a small amount of time three and a 560 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: half years, both my father and I became obsessed with 561 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: rage and ruining where he would be. 562 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: And you had an alternate plan for him, Yes, we did. 563 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: Actor and director Griffin Dunn. If you're enjoying this, conversation. 564 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: Tell a friend and be sure to follow Here's the 565 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: Thing on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, or wherever you get 566 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: your podcasts. When we come back, Griffin Dunn explains his 567 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: family's shared obsession in the aftermath of his sister's tragic death. 568 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing. 569 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty two, Griffin Dunn's sister, Dominique, was murdered 570 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: by her ex boyfriend. She was only twenty two years old. 571 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: A jury acquitted her killer of the second degree murder 572 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: charge and found him guilty of only voluntary manslaughter. He 573 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: received a six year prison sentence for the lesser charge 574 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: and went free after serving. 575 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 3: Nearly two and a half years. 576 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: As a result of what they considered a miscarriage of justice, 577 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: Griffin Dunn and his family sought their own ways to 578 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: write the situation. 579 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: I used to find out where he worked and get 580 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: him fired, and my mother actually would organize he was 581 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: a chef, and if he worked in a restaurant, it 582 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: was a place called the Santa Monica Chronicle, and my 583 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: mother organized a picket and had signs that the food 584 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 2: the man who prepared your food strangled my daughter, and 585 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: the Santa Michael Chronicle got rid of him. And sometimes 586 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: I would find out if he had a girlfriend, and 587 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: I would get in touch with a girlfriend and break 588 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: them up, and both both my dad and I kind 589 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: of lost our shit. Anyway, he kind of fell off 590 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: the map, and he called Anthony Pelicano to find out 591 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: where he was. And Pelicano found out that the guy 592 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: had changed his name and had moved to Washington. I believe, 593 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: you know, just Sayattle moved out of the state. And 594 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: he was very you know, you know, my dad, you know, 595 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: loved he loved cops, he loved a journalists, he loved 596 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: crime and uh and he really, you know, he was 597 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: really charmed by Pelicano. You know, he really loved the guy, 598 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: and he was really helpful. I don't think he charged 599 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: him a dime. He just you know, Pelicano was pro 600 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: bono work. He done a little pro bono you know 601 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: what he wanted to say. You know, I gave I 602 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: threw a bone to dominant gun. I helped him out 603 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: a bit, you know whatever. 604 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: Now, two things. Yeah, so the thing, obviously the book 605 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: is steeped in these tragedies. You've had to deal with 606 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: and there's not I'm not going to see this death everywhere. 607 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: But obviously you and your father are your lives are 608 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: changed by what happened to your sister. Without without a doubt, 609 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: I was friends with Jelko Ivonic, I mean I am 610 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: with him. 611 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: I never see him anymore. And he was dating Rebecca 612 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 3: Shaffer right before she was killed. 613 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: Well we know that. And from that, the families that 614 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: supported Rebecca Schaeffer attended at our trial. They were called 615 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 2: parents and murdered children. And I believe that was started 616 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: by Sharon Tate's mother, Doris Tate. She started this group 617 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: as a support group, and Rebecca Shaffer's parents were involved 618 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: and were there, and there was a trial. I think 619 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: for some that guy who was you know, as a 620 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: fan or something, and there was a guy with it 621 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: who you know delivered arrowhead water. I remember he's the 622 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: one who captured the killer horrible thing. Yeah, and Teresa 623 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: Seldono's family was also a member. But yeah, that was 624 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: a crazy time. 625 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this is a long time ago in 626 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: your life. What's the business like for you now in 627 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: terms of you still like to make movies, you want 628 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: to produce movies, act in movies, TV shows. Is acting 629 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: still interest you? 630 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, my desire, my ambition has not dropped 631 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: at all. At one point I thought I was going 632 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: to just hang it up with the acting. It was 633 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: like I was just doing I went from you know, 634 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: after hours and made stupid choices over the years, and 635 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: suddenly it was the fourth banana, if that kind if 636 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: a banana was even that big, and I thought, I 637 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: don't get this, and I'm getting older, and you know, 638 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: everybody who I went to the neighborhood playoffs with my age, 639 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: and I've never heard of anybody. So I'm going to 640 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: just go off on the sunset. And then somebody suggested 641 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: told me they were taking a checkoff class taught by 642 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: a Russian, a guy from where Stanislawsky came from the 643 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: Russian Institute, and this teacher who didn't speak a word 644 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: of English through a translator. I did ivan off and 645 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: I've never done checkof before. And I'm like, this is 646 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: like maybe six years ago. I'm you know, looking like this, 647 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 2: I'm feeling, you know, the middle age, and I'm feeling 648 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 2: I'm coming up on all sorts of shit, of ag 649 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: and everything. And I got it. I got like I 650 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: think I know who I am as an actor. I'm 651 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 2: funny and tragic and pathetic and kind of brave, and 652 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: I want to take chances. And I just I got 653 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: so excited about acting, and out of the blue, around 654 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 2: that same time, as it can only happen in our business, 655 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: I get a call from Dan Fogelman to be in 656 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: the show This is Us. He said, I want you 657 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: to play a guy who's he's suicidal, he's a drunk, 658 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: he's a diabetic, he lives in a cabin, but he's 659 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: actually kind of funny. And I went, oh, my god, 660 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 2: I know. 661 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 3: How to do that. I'm a suicidal diabetic. 662 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 2: I can do this and I can get a laugh 663 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: putting a gun in my mouth, And so it was 664 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 2: just a wonderful part. Then it just reinvigorated my feeling 665 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: about acting, and ever since then, I've done really interesting stuff. 666 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 2: I'm in this very funny movie called ex Husbands, where 667 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 2: I'm a guy who's my age with grown sons, who's 668 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 2: going through a divorce, who crashes his son's bachelor party 669 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: getting married in Tuloom. And you know, I'm suddenly tearing 670 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 2: on this whole checkof thing, you know, with the director 671 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: Noah Pritzker. 672 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 3: Oh I know, no a Pritzker. 673 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 2: Oh you do, of course, of course, you know in 674 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 2: the he's got a house up where are. 675 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 3: You guys, I know, the whole Pritzker gang. 676 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well his uncle, let's you know, he could 677 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 2: be one of the We could be hearing a lot 678 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 2: more from his uncle and the governor of Illinois. 679 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 3: So what about a play. When's the last you did? 680 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: A play that I haven't done a long time? 681 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 3: Would you want to do one? I would? I would. 682 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: The last play I did was called Search and Destroy 683 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: that Howard Corter wrote at Circle in the Square and 684 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 2: that was a fantastic part. We made it into a 685 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 2: movie that no one saw, but it had Chris Walkin 686 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: and Ethan Hawke and Marty produced it. And uh, I'm 687 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 2: just thinking, like I've done a lot of things that 688 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: no one likes at the time. Then you know, Criterion 689 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 2: we discover them. Yes, yes, And. 690 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: It's like the Orson Wells Lost Movies. 691 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, you know, the longer you wait, it's twenty 692 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: minutes of a guy walking along the shore and then 693 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 2: finally stops and finds a boat and that's it, and 694 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 2: that's it, and then twenty years later, someone will come 695 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: up and go, that guy who walked along the shore 696 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: that changed me. 697 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 3: My god, that was so good. 698 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 2: And then the word gets out and suddenly you got 699 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: like five rotten tomatoes when they hated it the first time. 700 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 3: Well, let me just say, you're one of those people. 701 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 3: Everybody in this business loves you. 702 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, Ellen. 703 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 3: Good to see how you too. 704 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: My thanks to actor and director Griffin Dunn. This episode 705 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: was recorded at CDM Studios in New York City and 706 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: Monk Music in Easthampton, New York. We're produced by Kathleen Brusso, 707 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: Zach MacNeice, and Victoria de Martin. Our engineer is Frank Imperial. 708 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: Our social media manager is Danielle Gingrich. I'm Alec Baldwin. 709 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 3: Here's the thing. 710 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: Is brought to you by iHeart Radio.