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Speaker 1: That's welcome to the show Ridiculous Romance. We're here once

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Speaker 1: So thanks for tuning in and welcome to London. Jolly good.

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Speaker 1: history that's a hard question, yeah, because I mean Egyptians

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Speaker 1: it probably maybe now my Okay, I'm sorry I got

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Speaker 1: We're in London at that time among the nobility, it

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Speaker 1: who drinks too much now. Seymour Fleming was born in seventeen.

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Speaker 1: the intensity and regularity of their opanionship is behavior unmatched

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00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: in any of words these other friendships. So possibly they

423
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: were roommates, or it might have been unrequited, like interested,

424
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: but Richard was and it's not likely he would have

425
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: admitted to this because sodomy and homosexuality were illegal at

426
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: the time and punishable with the death penalty. Right, can

427
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: I get a boot? Thank you? Pretty unlikely that a

428
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: lord would get the death penalty for it. He probably

429
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: just go to prison or some but still like it

430
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: was like the worst thing that could happen to you,

431
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: So nobody wanted to talk about it. But there's another

432
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: aspect to this that we must consider, and that's the

433
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: fact that Sir Richard was something of a voyeur. Back

434
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 1: when he was on his Grand tour in the early

435
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: seventeen seventies, Sir Richard had stayed in a house in

436
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: Paris right across the street from a brothel. And he's

437
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: around eighteen or nineteen. Hard to not do in Paris

438
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: in early seventeen seventies especially, and they were just regular houses,

439
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: how you know, I thought it just a lot of

440
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: ladies lived there together through me. There's lots of roommates

441
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: coming and going, and every house and coming and oh goodness.

442
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: Now he's like eighteen or nineteen at the time. He

443
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: could see right through their windows, so he's totally spying

444
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: on them. Um, and they notice and of course start

445
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: beckoning him to come join them, like flashing their titty.

446
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: If someone's peeping in through your window while you're having sex,

447
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: the logical thing to do is to beckon them to

448
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: join you. Well, or if they're just prostitutes, are like yeah, right, hey, buddy,

449
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: that will be ten shillings. Okay, you don't look for freeze.

450
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: They say no, peep show. He's like, damn, that's what

451
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: I like. Well, finally one night he's like, all right,

452
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I'm I'm grown. I'm gonna go get

453
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: late tonight, boy, big boy, and I'm gonna get late.

454
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: But the landlady of this boarding house that he's saying

455
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: at had gotten wind of his plan, so she stopped

456
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: him on the staircase and she was like, I heard

457
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to go across the street. Let me tell

458
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: you that brothel has a very bad reputation and you

459
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: should not go over there. And I'm assuming since she's friends,

460
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: she was like, I have a list of some respectable

461
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: organizations that you can go check out, but this one no, no, no,

462
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: one star, like one of those Airbnb binders, Like check

463
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: out some local brothels in the area. Totally, She's like,

464
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: I've got really good recommendations for you, but this one

465
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: I cannot say you should go to. So Richard's like, fine,

466
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: I won't go. And as he recorded in his journal

467
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: the next day, that was a lucky escape because a

468
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: guy was murdered that night in the brothel, and Richard

469
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: saw the victim from his window. The next morning, As

470
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: he wrote, quote naked and stripped of all he had

471
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: been possessed of. So this experience really made him very

472
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: cautious of women and of like he really couldn't shake

473
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: the fact that he could have been murdered if he

474
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: had just you know, the timing was crazy. He felt insane.

475
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: So it was like really took hold in his mind.

476
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: And Reuben Hold writes that quote the experience persuaded him

477
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: in part that the sexual act was best enjoyed when

478
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: observed from afar. Okay, no one can stab you in

479
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: the back if you're in the other room. That's a

480
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: healthy attitude about sex. So good. So Richard became partial

481
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: to peeping, and that was considered fairly normal sexual kink

482
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: to have in his time. It was called kicking King,

483
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: kicking k k kicking you kicking Tom. I don't know

484
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: why I was called king. It's like peeking, but it's

485
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: kinky there, that's probably. But he also got into a

486
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: kink called candleism. Now, this was named after the ancient

487
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: king Kendles, who exposed his naked wife to his servant guiges.

488
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: And after the wife found the servants buying on her,

489
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: she told him, look, you can either kill yourself, or

490
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: you can kill my husband to restore my honor. And

491
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: so guy just was like, let me think real quick,

492
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: and he killed the king and he became the king instead.

493
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: Um So, Candleism is a kink where you get sexual

494
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: pleasure out of exposing your partner to or images of

495
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: your partner to other people. And that can include undressing

496
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: them in front of other people. That can include putting

497
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: their personal photos their nudes up on the Internet or

498
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: distributing them around to people. It can even include encouraging

499
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: your partner to wear revealing clothing when you go out,

500
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: like a really short skirt or like something that shows

501
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: her titties or something even that want them to be

502
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: jealous of my thing that I own. It's kind of

503
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: that kind of vibe. And with all, as with all kinks,

504
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: if there's consent here, you know, it's that's one thing.

505
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: That's one thing. Yeah, that's what you're putting pictures up

506
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: of someone on the internet without them knowing about it.

507
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: That's another thing exactly up up. One psychoanalyst is the

508
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: door Sager. Theorized that a candlest completely identifies with their

509
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: partner's body, so that deep in their mind they feel

510
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: like they're exposing themselves, which I'm like, Okay, that's very

511
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: convenient because you don't actually have to expose yourself at all. Well,

512
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like something a psychiatrist would say to me,

513
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: but um, that's probably true of some Yeah, i'd argue

514
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: it's And I do wonder if part of the kink

515
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: is the person not knowing or or I imagine it

516
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: could be for some content is or is not there.

517
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: If that adds or takes away too from it. I

518
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: don't know that it's not part of the breakdown. I

519
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: read like, if I go out with you and you're

520
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: looking hot and I see somebody check you out, that's

521
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool to me. I'm like, I don't

522
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 1: feel jealous. I'm like, hell, yeah, that's right, that's right.

523
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: I thought so too. Guess what, I'm married her, I'm

524
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: going on with her. Um, yeah, you know, so that's cool.

525
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: And whether or not you see, you won't see that

526
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: because you're oblivious to anyone being interested in you ever. Always, Um,

527
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: that's very I'm like, that guy was so nice and

528
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: you're always like he was hitting it. We were just

529
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: having a really fun conversation that ended as soon as

530
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: he found out I was married. I don't think I

531
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: had anything to do with anything. Oh yeah, that guy

532
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: suddenly got very interested in nonprofit theater. Sometimes they are

533
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: totally are not not often. You're probably right, Daddy. I

534
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: don't know where how we got on that. I don't either,

535
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: But anyway, the term candleism didn't exist until the eighties,

536
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: so it's not like they had an understanding of that

537
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: kink at the time. For Sir Richard, they just were

538
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: like keeking, you like to peek on people or whatever.

539
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: If you exposed your wife to other people, you were

540
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: like the weirdest, most perverted. Like that was beyond anything,

541
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: because you you know, you're supposed to respect your wife,

542
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: cherish her and all that, so you're not supposed to

543
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: show her off, Like that's the weird. Now we know

544
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: that Sir Richard was into this because after Seymour had

545
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: recovered from her childbirth, the three of them, Richard, Seymour,

546
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: and George decided to visit the cold baths at Maidstone

547
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: on a hot day. Now, public bath houses were separated

548
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: by gender, so Richard and George Bissett took a dip

549
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: in the men's side. Of course, while Seymour refreshed herself

550
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: on the women's side, but as she got out of

551
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: the pool, she heard Richard calling through from the other

552
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: side of the door to tell her quote, h seb

553
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Bissett is going to get up and look at you,

554
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: m m. And then she saw George's face through the

555
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: window above the door. Richard was holding George up on

556
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: his shoulders to help him look in at his naked wife,

557
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: and he held him there for five minutes while Seymour,

558
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: totally into this, openly displayed herself. And she did this

559
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: like sexy reverse stripped tease. And she as she put

560
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: all her clothes back on, so she ruled her stockings

561
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: up real slow and that type of thing. She's doing

562
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: this little dance, and she's like, and now I clasped

563
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: the brae yes, can't wait to unclasp it later. It's

564
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: like I liked what I saw, and now I like

565
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: it less. I guess I'm not sure exactly how it works.

566
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: I can't laugh. But anyway, afterwards they all got together

567
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: and they laughed about it, like we are now it's funny.

568
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: Oh that was so interesting, Thank you, Richard, are your

569
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: shoulders okay? He's like, I don't care. Dick's not toddy

570
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: right now, so having a good time. It was just

571
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: like a fun bonding moment for this little triangle. Yeah, totally.

572
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Ruin Holt wrote about it, quote, it was a collection

573
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: of minutes which Sir Richard would view in his mind repeatedly.

574
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: The color of the details would fail to degrade with

575
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: the years. He would recall it vividly, the words that

576
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: were spoken, the weight of George Bissett on his shoulders,

577
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: the heady recklessness of it. Over the next few months,

578
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: he would remember the afternoon with fondness. After that, he

579
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: would rue it as the most regrettable day of his life.

580
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: And we will find out why that is right after

581
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: this commercial break, Welcome back to the show, My little Kicksters.

582
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: You're nasty all right now. It seems like this little

583
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: manage ati was getting a long fame. I mean they're

584
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: doing little peep shows and having a good old time together.

585
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: But then the militia had to move again for the winter,

586
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: and Seymour and Richard had to get a smaller house

587
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: so George couldn't live with them anymore. Oh no, no

588
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: in law suite, No in law suite. That was in

589
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: my that was in my must have on my dream

590
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: house list, with a separate entrance very important, and a

591
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: window between the two bedrooms. So George and Seymour could

592
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: not bear to be apart and they were really super

593
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: in love, so they started talking about maybe eloping together

594
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: so they could maybe force Richard to give Seymour a

595
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: divorce and they could finally get married and be happy forever. Okay,

596
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, I mean, we're in the

597
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: middle of season one right now of the Great and

598
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: it feels like, um, what's the couple who's sleeping with

599
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: the Emperor, you know, and the husband is just like, well,

600
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: we just have to do this so we can have

601
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: our thing, you know. It just reminds me of that.

602
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: And they're like, we're hanging out with Richard. Yes, he's

603
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: he's he's there. He likes this little threesome thing we

604
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: have going on. But if we could have it our way,

605
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: it would be ok. Yeah. Now, wives could not apply

606
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: for a divorce. They were not allowed. Only a husband

607
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: could do it. But a little bin was super risky

608
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: because a husband could also sue for separation instead of

609
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: a divorce, and that was basically purgatory for a woman

610
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: because she was no longer respectably married. She was cut

611
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: off from her financial support of you know, her husband,

612
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: but she was also not free to remarry. Changed woman,

613
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: a changed woman exactly. Okay. One woman that Seymour knew about.

614
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: She had thrown over her husband for a lover. They

615
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: ran off together, hoping for a divorce, but the husband

616
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: got vindictive. He's like, I'm only giving you a separation

617
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: and she ended up having to flee to the continent,

618
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: and everyone talked about her like she was nothing more

619
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: than a street prostitute, like that she she had everything

620
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: and then she had nothing. So anymore would know that

621
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: that is a possible consequence. Meanwhile, on George's part, he's

622
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: not only a social inferior to Richard, but also a

623
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: military inferior, and on top of all that a very

624
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: close friends. Everyone knew they were really good friends. So

625
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: like running away with your friend's wife was the lowest

626
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,959
Speaker 1: of the low for a gentleman. I think people still

627
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: feel that way. Really. Oh yeah, bros, before ladies, that's right,

628
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: watch your mouth fries before guys. What it's not as

629
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: good fries before guys. But it's not as good because

630
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: it's not about like, lady friendship. What about French fries.

631
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: It's just it literally fries. Yeah, fries, eat fries before

632
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: going out on like two girls get together and eat

633
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: French fries before they worried about hanging out with some

634
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: hanging out with some dude. I mean, yeah, French fries

635
00:39:53,960 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: are objectively better, never disappointed the challenge. It's very easy

636
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: for a French fry to disappoint you, I know, but

637
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: they rarely do. It cannot be hot enough, it cannot

638
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: be salty, could be too thick, it could be too thin.

639
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: They could be too crunchy. They could be too soft.

640
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: They could just be crinkle cut. You know, actually I

641
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: like crinkle Cooke. Now, don't talk about and men are

642
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: equal in terms of their potential disappointment. And it's high

643
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. But you can throw

644
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: the fries in the trash, okay, and they don't follow

645
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: you home. Yeah. No, So anyway, this was just considered

646
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: like a gross betrayal of male friendship and the only

647
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: way to go lower was to be the guy's brother

648
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: instead of his friends, you know what I mean, and

649
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: step with his wife. They were like, that's basically the

650
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: most heinous thing you could do airmano. I don't know how.

651
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: I know that it took four years of Spanish. We

652
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: love arrest of development in this house, we do love

653
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: arrest of development. Well, you know, and of course Will

654
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: and Jason friends of the show. Oh yeah, you're right, right, absolutely,

655
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: we gotta get them on. I mean, I love that.

656
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: We gotta get the SmartLess guys on this show. If

657
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: you if anybody's got their contact info, yeah, we should

658
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: know because there are friends they are I know, but

659
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, we never get the phone. It's awkward to

660
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: reach out about work, dear friends and stuff. I don't

661
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: like to. So, yeah, George would be risking his reputation,

662
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: his social status, his good name, as much as Seymour would.

663
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: And he also had a financial scare in the wings

664
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: just as much as she did too, because Richard could

665
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: bring a lawsuit against George for adultery. This was known

666
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: as a criminal conversation or a crim con suit. And

667
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: if you're like me and you read a lot of

668
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: those regency romance novels, you've seen crim con and have

669
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: no fucking idea what they're talking about. And so I thought,

670
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: this is a real revelation for me. I got excited. Um,

671
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: and now, conversation at the time was a euphemism for sex.

672
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: So it's basically criminal sex, sex crimes crim criminal conversation

673
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: crim CON. That is way different than what I thought

674
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: crim con was, which sounded like, you know, uh, comic

675
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: con for criminals. Or maybe it's just the ridiculous crime

676
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: podcasts like just there showing up at CRIMN. I love it.

677
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: I feel like we should do a crossover with a

678
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: criminal conversation with them. We definitely should. And if you

679
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: had crim con and it was just ridiculous crime episode convention,

680
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: it would be a crim con, which means we could

681
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: do a ridiculous romance episode about it, which would be

682
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: so insane that ridiculous news would have to come and

683
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: afterwards ridiculous it's ridiculous history. Yeah, as long as it happens,

684
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: we'll come back in time. But all I'm saying is

685
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: ridiculation is in the works. Ridiculous. There might be some

686
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: crim con at ridicul cotion. You never know when there's

687
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: a hotel involved, Alright, So anyway, they each had a

688
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: lot of factors to consider and huge consequences that could

689
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: come down from this decision. But even so, George and

690
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: Seymour decided they would take their chances and Elope. Maybe

691
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: since Richard had just been so tolerant of their affair

692
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: all so far, they were kind of like Shirley Hill's fine,

693
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: he's the divorce, he's a friend, he's not sucking you anyway.

694
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: That's exactly what are you trying to preserve here, Richard.

695
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: Come on. They figured that, you know, maybe he'd be

696
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: generous enough to just give her, give her the divorce

697
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: without a fight. Yeah, their friends, it's fine. Well, they

698
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: would be wrong. Oh. Seymour and George eloped one night

699
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: when Richard decided not to go to a party that

700
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: they were both at. Now, George had done a little

701
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: planning and he packed a bag, but Seymour basically had

702
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: leave with the clothes on her back and nothing else,

703
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: because it would have looked weird if she was packing

704
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: a bag. Before. They shacked up at a hotel and

705
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: they passed as man and wife, although the maids were suspicious.

706
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: Is when they had to change the sheets three times

707
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: in one day because they were doing it so much.

708
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: One of them said, quote, they're appeared to be a

709
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: greater funness between them, and it is generally sane between

710
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: husband and wife. This Cabby from London changed in the seats.

711
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: It's one of the maids. She's like, I know husbands

712
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: and wives and they don't fuck that much. They do

713
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: know now Also it doesn't matter, but her name was

714
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Hannah Commander, and I just think commander, dope name hand

715
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: A Commander is my favorite name in our whole show.

716
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: Commander is so good, incredible one names and a commander

717
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: it is. And I've never seen a husband and wolf do.

718
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: It's much and they only know husbands and wives. You

719
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: want to know how much husband and wolf is having sex,

720
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: you just come see Atlanta. Commander amazing well from this

721
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: hotel see more sent her husband a letter and asked

722
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: him for a divorce. Richard gets this letter and he

723
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: is piste about this elopement, and he was determined to

724
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: be as cruel as possible in exacting his revenge for George.

725
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: That meant a crim con suit, and not just any

726
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: crim con suit. Richard said, I'm bringing a crim con

727
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: suit so large it's gonna make your head spin. You're

728
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: gonna be drowning in my lawyers. You're gonna be uh

729
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: just boop in your pants. How big this crim con

730
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: suit is gonna be a would utterly ruin George. He

731
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: set his damages at twenty thousand pounds, and that meant

732
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: if he won, George would have to sell all of

733
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: his land, any property, any assets that he had, and

734
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: then he would probably still end up in debtor's prison

735
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: because George had like eight hundred pounds a year or something.

736
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: But it didn't matter. The guy got to set what

737
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: he thought the damages of his property were and you

738
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: had to pay that ship no matter what. If he

739
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: won his case, and as an added perk, Richard could

740
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: then buy George's land and that would make him the

741
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: biggest landowner in the Isle of Wight. Now for Seymour,

742
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: Richard was determined that this woman was never gonna be

743
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: happy or comfortable again, so instead of granting her the divorce,

744
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: he decided to sue for separation. He was hoping to

745
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: drive her into prostitution to keep herself afloat. He also

746
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: decided that he wasn't going to send her any of

747
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: her clothes, or her jewelry or anything like that as

748
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: further punishment. So Seymour hid at this hotel for several

749
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: days without even a change of underwear. On top of

750
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: all that, George and Seymour's daughter Jane, was still under

751
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: Richard's control, and of course he refused to let Seymour

752
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: see her, and Seymour was really anxious about what he

753
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: might do to her. And in this she might have

754
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: been justified because Jane did die sometime that year, and

755
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: Seymour and George thought that Richard might have had something

756
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: to do with it, but they couldn't really investigate because

757
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: they would then have to admit to James's actual father

758
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: and that would just help Richard win his adultery case

759
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: against George. Now, Richard couldn't really give it away either,

760
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: because that would make him look complacent. So to this day,

761
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: no one knows where Jane is buried. Dark This guy

762
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: went nuts, he did, and apparently burned a lot of

763
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: her ship. It's not outside the realm of possibility that

764
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: he killed that kid. And it's just that intense, like

765
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: I mean, toxic masculinity. I guess it's this sense of ownership,

766
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: how dare you try to take what belongs to me?

767
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: Like he didn't even care about her, he didn't love her,

768
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: he didn't like having sex with her, nothing about their

769
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: marriage as as a as a unit was important to him,

770
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: except I control you. You don't come to me and

771
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: say what you want. I tell you what you get.

772
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: I was letting you funk this guy. Y'all were having fun.

773
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: We were all having a good time. How dare you

774
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: try to cut me out of that? Well? And on

775
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: top of that, you're just his social inferior. You don't

776
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: get to run off with my wife. Like you know,

777
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: it's also so much about appearances for him, in terms

778
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: of not only masculinity, but class and aristocratic stuff and

779
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: all of it, and military thing like. He just felt

780
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: so slighted by this upstart, little nothing coming from out

781
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: of nowhere and taking his wife away. So it was

782
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: like his pride just took such a blow he could

783
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: not handle it. But Seymour wasn't about to lay back

784
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: and take all this crap from Richard, Okay, she was

785
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: willing to fight for her lover and her freedom. Now,

786
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: Richard did offer to take her back, and he would

787
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: drop his suit and all this would go away, but

788
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: she said she suffered so many quote slights and inattentions

789
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: from him that she could never bring herself to return

790
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: to him. There you stand up for yourself. That's right.

791
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: And she also warned him that she had quote resolved

792
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: to go to all lengths to circumvent his design. Damn.

793
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: She threw down the gauntlet. She said, bring it. That's right.

794
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: She said she would countersue him for her pin money

795
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: that she was legally entitled to and he had not

796
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: yet money. Gimme mushie. And furthermore, she was willing to

797
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: see to it quote that he was exposed and made

798
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: the object of universal condemnation. Yeah, she said, how dare

799
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: you stepped to me? Oh you think it big ship?

800
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: I'll show you big ship. I'm a ship on your face.

801
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: She's going. But either Richard did not believe how far

802
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: she was willing to go, or he was too mad

803
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: to care. Because he did not back down, his lawyer

804
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: Is enlisted several of the hotel servants, chiefly Hannah Commander,

805
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: to help them prove that she and George were living there,

806
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: pretend to be husband and wife, sleeping in the same bed.

807
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: You just call command. You need a witness. But he

808
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: was ready to do it too, and the suit was

809
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: duly filed and in February two, Sir Richard and George

810
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: Bissett arrived at the courtroom. It was packed crim con

811
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: suits meant that a lot of fancy, rich people's dirty

812
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: laundry was gonna get aired out, lots of drama. So

813
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: all the judge duty fans in the area where they're

814
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: ready to be entertained. But Seymour was not present because

815
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: her she was considered superfluous to the conversation. She was

816
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: just property in the eyes of the law. And as

817
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: Reuben hold points out, quote no one asked a horse

818
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: how it felt to be stolen? Isn't that crazy? So

819
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: we don't need to hear from you girl now. Richard's wealth,

820
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: of course, enabled him to hire the best lay years

821
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: that money could buy, and after they made their case

822
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: against George, he was feeling pretty good. Even George's lawyer

823
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: said that he deserved a favorable verdict. The only real

824
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: question was how much the damages should be. Richard probably

825
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: had a big, smug, stupid smile on his face there

826
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: for a minute, but guess what. Best smile got wiped

827
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: clean off pretty fast once he realized just how far

828
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: Seymour was willing to go for George. Because the lawyer

829
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: started saying some uncomfortable stuff. Uh, why haven't. Richard's lawyers

830
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: mentioned that George had been living in the wars Ley's

831
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: house in made Stone at Richard's invitation. Clearly wasn't telling

832
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: everyone the full story. And then George's lawyers started calling witnesses,

833
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: and some of them talked about how they were friends

834
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: with the couple and they never saw them together. Seymour

835
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: had even asked Richard to join her on an outing

836
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: several times and he had refused. Some talked about how

837
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: they had told Richard to curb his wife's promiscuous behavior,

838
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: but he always said he didn't mind it, and some

839
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: of them talked about their own love affairs with Seymour.

840
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: One of them, Viscount dear Hurst, was an explosive witness.

841
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: He was known as the lothario of his age, and

842
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: he was estranged from his family for eloping with a

843
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: woman himself. So he knew this game, Yeah, he knew it.

844
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: And he said that he stayed at the couple's house

845
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: once and Richard actually encouraged him to go after Seymour.

846
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: He told the court that Richard said, quote many young

847
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: men had tried her to no effect, and that I

848
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: had his permission to try my chance with her, you know,

849
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: and the judge was like, and you know, at the

850
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: time when he said it, dear Hurst kind of take

851
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: it as a joke. But he did start sleeping with

852
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: Seymour while he was staying with them. I mean, if

853
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: you say so, I'll try my chance. Oh it was

854
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: incredibly easy. This girl is sex starved. She was ready

855
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: to say yeah. She kept talking about Dick Toddy. Is

856
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: that you So? One night dear Hurst left Seymour's room

857
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: at four in the morning and he basically tripped over

858
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: Richard in Seymour's dressing room, and as he told the court,

859
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: all Richards said was, quote, dear Hurst, how did you

860
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: come to be here? As it wasn't totally obvious when

861
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: he probably his shoes in his hands, you know, tipt

862
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: in and Richard's like, oh, what a coincidence We're both

863
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: in my lady's dressing room. Yeah, dear Hurst just like,

864
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: but you told me you try my chest. You know what,

865
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go now. Reuben Holt also points

866
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 1: out that this testimony suggests that our voyor Richard had

867
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: been deliberately spying on the two of them together, maybe

868
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: without their knowledge. She writes, quote the keyhole would have

869
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: provided a luscious eye fell of the illicit activity. So

870
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: that might be why he was in the dressing room

871
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: in the first place. Yeah, he's a real George McFly.

872
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, is I know right now? The next day

873
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: he acted like the incident had never happened. Um. He

874
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: allowed Seymour and Dearhurst to be alone together and go

875
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: out together. He did not reprimand him, he did not

876
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: ask him to leave, nothing that you would think a

877
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: husband would do in that situation. And it kind of

878
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: gave Dearhurst a real dislike of Sir Richard and a

879
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: deep sympathy for Seymour. I think he's like, don't you

880
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: care about her at all? Like, you don't care at all?

881
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: And then also you're weirdly in her dressing room? What

882
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: the fuss going on with this guy? After their love

883
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: affair cooled down, he remained a really true friend to her.

884
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: I mean, besides being willing to testify publicly to in

885
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: front of Godden everybody about his own bad behavior that

886
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: didn't make him look very good, he actually also helped

887
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: her and George elope together. He was like their go between. UM.

888
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: While they were in the hotel hiding from Sir Richard,

889
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: but he was not her only lover, and she had

890
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: several who she wrote to and asked to testify, although

891
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: they did not show up. Like dear Hurst, tad one

892
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: was a womanizer and a gambler named Charles Wyndham. She

893
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: liked him so much that she gave him her wedding

894
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: band as a token of her affection when he went

895
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: off to war. A respectable lieutenant had a brief fling

896
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: with her at some point, and then he fell in

897
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: love and got married, so he didn't want to testify

898
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: because he had like a whole life. I'm not going

899
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: to that. She had another lover who was a notorious

900
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: womanizer named Lord Chumley, and she like Tim so much

901
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: that she get depressed when he was away, and Sir

902
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: Richard would send for him to come cheer her up.

903
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: My god, oh my wife, for you sad to get here.

904
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: Lord Chumley, come here, cheer my wife. I can't stand her.

905
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: Dear Lord Chumley, it's your friend, Sir Richard again, calling

906
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: to see if you could bring that giant dick over

907
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: to make my wife feel better. Yours very sincerely, now.

908
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: Chumley was so notorious a philanderer that he actually had

909
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: a four page poem dedicated to him in pamphlet. It

910
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: was called the Torpedo, a Poem to the Electric Eel.

911
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: So let's go down to poetry corner and hear a

912
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: quick excerpt. What thou, Lord Chumley, may conceal a most

913
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: enormous length of eel, admired for its size and bone,

914
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: this mighty thing when lank depressed a mirror noun adjective

915
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: at best, is useless when alone. Wow, can you imagine

916
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: a four page poem being published that's just speculating on

917
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: how big your dick must be to get all these ladies? Yeah?

918
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: I know I can't. I can't. I'm not sure i'd

919
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: be complimented. But I'm not a man. So I don't

920
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: know what poems have been written about me, and I

921
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: don't know their subject matter. I feel like there might

922
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: have been one or two in my day. I write

923
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: you a poem right now, I'll think of one. Okay,

924
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: we'll do it at the end of the episode. Just

925
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: coming up. So Seymour even wrote to her doctor and

926
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: asked him to testify at the trial about everything he

927
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: knew about her. So this doctor shows up and he

928
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: told them that she had called him to treat a

929
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: sexually transmitted infection that she'd picked up from another lover,

930
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: the Marquess of Graham, and it was probably gone a

931
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: rhea um. But this was pretty damning because Richard didn't

932
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: have Gona rhea. He never caught it from her, which

933
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: demonstrated to the judge, the jury, and the rest of

934
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: the world that Richard was not fulfilling his conjugal duties.

935
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: The star witness for the defense were sworn affidavits from

936
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: some old servant lady. She worked at the public baths

937
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: in Maidstone, and she had seen Richard hoist George up

938
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: on his shoulders so he could have a little peep

939
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: at Richard's naked wife. So she described the entire spectacle

940
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: to Georgia's lawyers, and they walk in and they lay

941
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: it down. They're like, boom, here's what's going on between

942
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: the three of them. Why the hell is Richard so

943
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: piste off when he'd been encouraging this behavior the whole

944
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: time he was into it, ladies and gentlemen. Now the

945
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: papers took their reporting two extremes on this whole thing.

946
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: Of course, what the papers that whatever? A sex scandal,

947
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: and they inflated it. No way so unusual. So because

948
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: it's it's often said that Seymour is known for having

949
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: twenty seven lovers. This is what the movie Dresses was about.

950
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: That's right, one dress for each man. My friend I've

951
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: actually I'm sorry, this is totally unrelated, but every time

952
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: I hear the title Dresses, my favorite. The best joke

953
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: I've ever heard is my friend Jeff had a birthday party.

954
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: He was turning and the invitation went out and it

955
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: said seven Jeff is my favorite. I laughed so hard

956
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: when I got that. Larious Jeff. If you're listening, it's

957
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: still one of my favorite jokes of all time. They

958
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: seven Jeff is well, if you're six and named Jeff,

959
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: do it. Keep that in mind, keep that one in

960
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: your back pocket. Do it, but give credit, give credit

961
00:59:53,720 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: credit due another Jeff up there somewhere, all right, So

962
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: what happened was twenty seven men had been subpoenaed at

963
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: Seymour's direct requests. So that's why they kind of were like, oh,

964
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: she has seven lovers, we're going with Obviously that isn't

965
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: great math, al right, because we already said one of

966
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: them was her doctor, her lover um. Several were anti

967
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: character witnesses. They were just there to prove that her

968
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: husband was always not never around, was careless with her. Um.

969
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: So some of these papers just added names however they wanted,

970
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't care about truth or whatever. They

971
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: went as high as sixty lovers. Some were a little

972
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: more conservative, they said only eleven. But they're just making up.

973
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: They were like the Duke of Earl Richard the Third Yeah,

974
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: William Shakespeare. Now Reuben Hold mentions about five confirmed names

975
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: that we were talking about on this episode, So we

976
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: don't really actually know her real body counts or anything like.

977
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: But in the eyes of the world, Seymour was now

978
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: an insatiable sex maniac, capable of any aberration, you know,

979
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: because she had let all these lovers come around just

980
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: tell her business everybody. But Richard didn't fare much better.

981
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: He was now seen as an impotent cuckold, and worse

982
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: than that, a depraved weirdo who would display his wife

983
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: to other men. The judge saw him as no better

984
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: than a pimp. He said, quote, this woman, for three

985
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: or four years has been prostituted with a variety of people.

986
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: That is extremely clear and extremely plain. Now, Richard had

987
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: set his damages again at twenty thousand pounds that's around

988
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: three point seven million pounds today, because he was like,

989
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm a big man and look how terrible they've treated me,

990
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: and I don't deserve none of this. Well, I'm swinging

991
01:01:53,840 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: around dick punctual. So so the only way to kind

992
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: of drive home how badly he had behaved was to

993
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: funk with his damages, because they were like, definitely adult,

994
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: really clearly happened. You can't say it didn't. So you win, yes, adultery.

995
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: But he was only awarded a single shilling. What that's

996
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: worth around five or six pounds? Oh my god, Reuben

997
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: Hold writes quote for the price of a pound of soap,

998
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: a muslim neckcloth, or roast beef dinner. Worsley had sold

999
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: his wife and his honor to George Bassett. Damn ouch.

1000
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: I just gotta say that from without ever stepping foot

1001
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Seymour torpedoed this man's whole case and

1002
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: he ended up getting eight bucks out of it. He

1003
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: got nothing here, go get yourself a half a sandwich,

1004
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: have fun. Unbelievable. His little pete show cost him three

1005
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: point seven million pounds and she knew how to play

1006
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: it against him to the lawyers, like they were like,

1007
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure those lawyers were like tell us everything. She's like,

1008
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: I got some news for you, and they were like, oh,

1009
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: I mean. And you have to admire the bravery of

1010
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: her being like, I will just lay it all out

1011
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: for you, and you know, we'll get to it in

1012
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: part two. But she don't stop. She continues to funk

1013
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: with Richard for a time. So it's it's just really

1014
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: cool that she was just I think it must have

1015
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: been incredibly difficult to do that, especially with the fallout.

1016
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: She's going to have a long time of not being respectable,

1017
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: which is hard to be in you're, you know, gently

1018
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: born woman. And she's like, you know what funk all

1019
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: that noise? I don't like you, you don't like me.

1020
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm tied to you the rest

1021
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: of my life and you get all my money and everything.

1022
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: What do I get? Nothing? I get a son I

1023
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: don't get to see, and a bunch of lovers who

1024
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: I can't marry and be with all the time, to

1025
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: control all my movements and everything where I live. And

1026
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: she's just done with that. And yeah, absolutely, I mean,

1027
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: and you've got to look at the potential consequences she's

1028
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: looking at. She's like, I'm not coming out of this unscathed, right,

1029
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: everything is stacked against me, So how can I you know,

1030
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: bare minimum, I'm going to tear him down with me.

1031
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: Best I'll get is I'll totally buck up his life, right.

1032
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, she went for it, went all in, and

1033
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: I think it worked out probably better her than she

1034
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: thought it could have. Probably, I think too there was

1035
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,959
Speaker 1: a bit of um self preservation in it as well,

1036
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: because if you know, once he said he was suing

1037
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: for separation and not divorced. That was pretty much the

1038
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: end of the story for Seymour. She has nothing else

1039
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: to lose, so that's how he sucked up, really, and

1040
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: she has nothing to lose, so she's got to rely

1041
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: on George to financially support her. And so if George

1042
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: loses everything, it becomes ruined. Who's going to support her.

1043
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:58,959
Speaker 1: There's no one she would have to find a new lover.

1044
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: So she's kind of like, at least you can keep

1045
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: your money if I if I help you, you'll have

1046
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: some money to pay for my life. Now that Sir

1047
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: Richard ain't gonna do it, and I don't want anyone

1048
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: else right now. I'm in love with you because at

1049
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: this point they're just separated, but there's no divorce, not

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Speaker 1: not yet. They're not even separated legally yet, they're just

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Speaker 1: living apart. But yeah, she thumbed her nose at every convention,

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Speaker 1: and just like I'm a modern lady, I guess just

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01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: this total torpedo for his plans. I love it. It's

1054
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: so cool without without even being allowed to show up.

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Speaker 1: So I'll show you what a horse thinks about being stolen.

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01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: A horse can make itself known, right well, I mean

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Speaker 1: with the pens mightier than the sword. She's spent a

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01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: lot of time writing a bunch of letters, and looks

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: she brought his whole thing down. You know, fellas hell, ladies, everybody,

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01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: if your person out there, you know you, and you

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01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: think you've got all this power over your partner and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna wheel it against him. Don't do that ship because,

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01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: first of all, because don't do that ship. It's a

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01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: bad thing to do. Durating people like ship. But wash

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01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: him come back. Wash. It bites you in the as

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Speaker 1: you know, you think you're so high in might do

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01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,959
Speaker 1: you think you do well? We talked about it. Richard

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: thought he was so untouchable. He just laughed off all

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: her non sense because it's like, oh, I'm I'm perfect.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard, but i'm sir Richard.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, guess what, sir Richard? Now, who are you?

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Speaker 1: Ain't ship? Now you got eight bucks? Now you got

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Speaker 1: eight bucks? You gotta pay for all these lawyers stuff. Amazing.

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Speaker 1: So there's all there's that's a that's it. That's a

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Speaker 1: story right there. That's it. And there's more. There's so

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01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: much more. There's the new female Cotoree coming up, which

1077
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: is all these ladies like Seymour who kind of put

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01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: together their own club to hang out and move about society,

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01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: and the Jilted Woman's Club. She's she's got some new

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Speaker 1: friends on the way. They wives Club first, I mean

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Speaker 1: kind of. You know, for the longest time I thought

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Speaker 1: the first wives Club, I've never seen it. The longest

1083
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: time I thought it was about I just thought it

1084
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: was first ladies. I thought it was about ex president's

1085
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: fives when hung out together. And like when when you

1086
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,959
Speaker 1: told me it wasn't that, I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not the First Ladies Club. First Wives is not

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01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: what they called the First Lady. I don't know why

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01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: I made that connection to a pretty good movie from

1090
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: my memory. I'm just saying a movie I would love

1091
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: to see is the First Ladies Club. What do they

1092
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: all get? You know? Who else could relate to you

1093
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: a but another First Lady? True? Well, I can't wait

1094
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: to hear about this First Wives Club. I am, but

1095
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I think they're so cool.

1096
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's something to be said for

1097
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: the institution of marriage and holding up society or whatever.

1098
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: But I love these ladies for being, like, you know what,

1099
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: fuck that noise. I'm just going to live my life

1100
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: and you can call me a slide if you want.

1101
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: But I'm happy and I got my own typle of

1102
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: friends and I'm doing my own thing out here, so

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01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,919
Speaker 1: I kind of love them. I'm excited to tell their

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01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: story as well. And then Richard has some kind of

1105
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,479
Speaker 1: weird ship coming up to and I love I love

1106
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: you sitting here doing a podcast with your spouse saying yeah,

1107
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 1: it's something to be said for the institutional blah blah,

1108
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: all that bullshit. Well, maybe I'll have to find my

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Speaker 1: own George. No, I don't want to get divorced. No,

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Speaker 1: not divorced, just just someone, uh for you to peep

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Speaker 1: on me. And that's what I'm really looking for. Yeah,

1112
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Speaker 1: I know that's all You've ever really wanted, Just to

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Speaker 1: watch me and socially inferior man get it on. What's

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Speaker 1: that can't call? Oh yeah, it's very specific. Right. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for tuning in today for this, for this

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Speaker 1: part one of this crazy story. I hope you loved it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so much more to come. Other things he did

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Speaker 1: to her on their marriage and stuff is a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot, so tune in for the next part

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Speaker 1: as well. Definitely tell us what you thought about this one.

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