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Speaker 4: Here's Hardy Now. The Patriots dropped their regular season opener
Speaker 4: at Chalted Stadium twenty five to twenty in a game
Speaker 4: that looked like it was over a couple of times
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter, but it did come down to
Speaker 4: the final moments. Welcome into this episode of the Patriots
Speaker 4: Postgame Show, presented by Draft Kings, joined by Mike d
Speaker 4: So and Paul Pirillo. Here shortly as the Patriots really
Speaker 4: offensively could not get hardly anything going to start the game,
Speaker 4: and then turned it on to the point where statistically,
Speaker 4: they were in much better shape than the Eagles were,
Speaker 4: and all kind of wrapped around this Tom Brady halftime
Speaker 4: celebration that we'll get to on this postgame show also,
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Speaker 4: We'll get to the good, the bad, and the injured
Speaker 4: here as soon as Paul and Mike join us. But
Speaker 4: I have to say from the jump, the first thing
Speaker 4: that I'm thinking about and will continue to think about,
Speaker 4: was the decision to go for it on fourth and three.
Speaker 4: This is at a point in the game where the
Speaker 4: Patriots trailed by eight points. It was twenty two fourteen.
Speaker 4: There was a fourth and eighth play, fourth and eight play,
Speaker 4: excuse me, where Hunter Henry made a great grab to
Speaker 4: extend the drive. Then they got themselves into a fourth
Speaker 4: and three situation after a bad third down call. It
Speaker 4: was an Ezekiel Elliott run that went nowhere in the
Speaker 4: middle where you knew you had issues with your offensive
Speaker 4: line today. So that set up a fourth and three
Speaker 4: call where a field goal would have put you within
Speaker 4: five points, would have made the game twenty two to seventeen,
Speaker 4: and would have made things more interesting down the stretch. Now,
Speaker 4: I don't think Bill Belichick was thinking like it was
Speaker 4: that or not. He shouldn't have had the feeling that
Speaker 4: he had to get the touchdown there, because the defense
Speaker 4: played well enough to where I think you could have
Speaker 4: relied on them to get a stop going the other way,
Speaker 4: and instead they decided to go for it. They turned
Speaker 4: the ball over on downs and the Patriots made some
Speaker 4: valiant efforts to recover down the stretch. I mean, if
Speaker 4: you thought this game was over after that, after that
Speaker 4: play call, which sure many people did, I think thought
Speaker 4: it was shame on me for not thinking that, you know,
Speaker 4: the Patriots could somehow rebound, But at that point it
Speaker 4: just seemed like it was. It was the type of
Speaker 4: decision that could have really spelled doom. Now, the Eagles
Speaker 4: did go down score a field goal, and they were
Speaker 4: up eleven. It was twenty five to fourteen. What could
Speaker 4: possibly happen after that? Well, I'll tell you. The Patriots
Speaker 4: went on a sixth place, seventy five yard touchdown drive.
Speaker 4: They went for two, they did not convert, looked like
Speaker 4: they did. They was called back try again, did not convert.
Speaker 4: That made it twenty five to twenty. The Eagles actually
Speaker 4: ended up turning the ball over on downs again. This
Speaker 4: is another point where you thought the game was over,
Speaker 4: get the two minute warning, Eagles turned the ball over
Speaker 4: on downs. Patriots drive down managed to make it a
Speaker 4: ballgame once again, and at the end of the game,
Speaker 4: a couple of curious decisions once again, most notably Juju
Speaker 4: Smith Schuster on the sideline watching Booty once again unable
Speaker 4: to get the second foot down and finished the completion
Speaker 4: that would have at the very least given the Patriots
Speaker 4: a first down and a couple of shots at the
Speaker 4: end zone as time expired in this game. So twenty
Speaker 4: five to twenty your final here from Gillette Stadium tonight.
Speaker 4: There is a lot of good to take away from
Speaker 4: this game. It is very much unlike a lot of
Speaker 4: the games that we talked about last season, where even
Speaker 4: in some of the wins, we were hard pressed to
Speaker 4: come up with a lot of things on the good list.
Speaker 4: And there were bad moments too. There was a bad
Speaker 4: start to the game with an offside call on a
Speaker 4: fumbled snap that Jalen Hurts either didn't get a hold
Speaker 4: of or it was a bad snap to begin with.
Speaker 4: That could have been a big momentum swing right at
Speaker 4: the very beginning of the game instead, and offside call
Speaker 4: in the gated that. There was some really really questionable
Speaker 4: mac Jones plays early in the game, which eventually, after
Speaker 4: watching the conditions get better in the rain stop, I
Speaker 4: think we could chalk up to just a wet football.
Speaker 4: He was sailing the ball a little bit high over
Speaker 4: the heads of receivers and out of the hands receivers.
Speaker 4: One of them resulted in a pick six. But there
Speaker 4: were back to back plays high throws from mac Jones
Speaker 4: where he just hoped it wasn't going to be like
Speaker 4: that all night. The fact is it wasn't like that
Speaker 4: all night, and the box score will tell you so.
Speaker 4: Just looking at the numbers. Mac Jones thirty five of
Speaker 4: fifty four pass attempts. Now he threw the ball a
Speaker 4: lot tonight, but three hundred and sixteen yards and three
Speaker 4: touchdown passes Jalen Hurts for his night. And this number
Speaker 4: I didn't even think is really accurate in terms of
Speaker 4: how the game looked and how it played out. Twenty
Speaker 4: two of thirty three for one hundred and seventy yards
Speaker 4: rushing wise, the Eagles put up ninety seven yards. There
Speaker 4: was a point early in the fourth quarter where he
Speaker 4: looked up and said, wait a second, the Eagles have
Speaker 4: less than two hundred yards. They had about one hundred
Speaker 4: passing yards in about eighty five rushing yards, and they're like,
Speaker 4: how are they winning this game? What's going on? Well,
Speaker 4: they had some short fields to deal with, and they
Speaker 4: had some efficient play early on that got away from them,
Speaker 4: but they had built up enough of a lead. And
Speaker 4: again I have to say some of the decision making
Speaker 4: down the stretch, the decision to go for it on
Speaker 4: fourth and three instead of taking the field goal, and
Speaker 4: personnel decisions. I'm not sure why Juju Smith Schuster was
Speaker 4: on the sideline watching at the end and watching Booty
Speaker 4: unable to get the second foot down. I know he
Speaker 4: had done it earlier in training camp. People were talking
Speaker 4: about it online that you know that was a play
Speaker 4: he made a lot during camp, but earlier in this
Speaker 4: game he had a similar situation. So all of this
Speaker 4: to say, the Patriots had chances, more chances than I
Speaker 4: thought they would late in the fourth quarter, in fact,
Speaker 4: two more chances after that, still come away with a
Speaker 4: twenty five to twenty loss. This is the type of
Speaker 4: game where you look at it and have to say
Speaker 4: to yourself, all right, this could have easily been a
Speaker 4: blowout had things gone the other way. I think for
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts, he was not particularly effective early on the
Speaker 4: Patriots defense, specifically in the secondary was doing some great job.
Speaker 4: I was doing a great job of covering downfield and
Speaker 4: not allowing Hurts to make plays. He for some reason
Speaker 4: seemed hesitant to pick up some yards on his own
Speaker 4: at times. He ended up carrying the ball nine times
Speaker 4: for thirty seven yards tonight, And I think Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 4: had he played better, this game would have been over
Speaker 4: a lot earlier in terms of how you think things
Speaker 4: were going to go. But from a first quarter sixteen nothing,
Speaker 4: Philadelphia lead to have multiple chances to win that game.
Speaker 4: At the end, You've got to give props to the
Speaker 4: to the Patriots for some of their resilience and the
Speaker 4: ability for Mac Jones specifically to turn his night around
Speaker 4: after a very very shaky start, not just for Mac
Speaker 4: but for the offense in general. Mike Deusseau and Paul
Speaker 4: Parrilla joining us now as the This episode of the
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Speaker 1: Sorry, halfway done right?
Speaker 4: I thought that game was over three times, so did I.
Speaker 4: That is that? That is some kind of finish And
Speaker 4: it's the It's the type of game if you if
Speaker 4: you go away or in my case, I've got a
Speaker 4: little bit of a walk as you guys do, to
Speaker 4: get down here, missed two pivotal plays. I had to
Speaker 4: go back and find and watch them again. I'm like, what,
Speaker 4: what what? What happened? There was a there was a touchdown,
Speaker 4: there was a there was a failed two point conversion. Oh,
Speaker 4: they got a chance of the two point conversion.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just ran into Christian Fourier out there, who was
Speaker 4: busy running around doing stuff. He said, I said something
Speaker 4: about the fourth and three call. He said, what fourth
Speaker 4: and three call? I said, they went for it on
Speaker 4: fourth and three when a field goal would have made
Speaker 4: a yeah, a five point game, And he's like, I
Speaker 4: didn't even see it. I'm like, I know if you
Speaker 4: if you walked away, if you blinked in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 4: you missed three or four pivotal moments in that game.
Speaker 4: The sad thing is the result almost exactly the same
Speaker 4: as it would have been going back to the first
Speaker 4: of those decisions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's uh, you know, I mean first it's like
Speaker 6: I'm trying to write something, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 6: going back and forth. But you know, I give I look,
Speaker 6: I give them a lot of credit. Like I think
Speaker 6: when when they went down sixteen to nothing, it was.
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, this is going to be bad today.
Speaker 6: You know, it's just the pick six right off the bat,
Speaker 6: the fumble. I mean, it was just it was ugly.
Speaker 6: But you know, I think they showed some resiliency, and
Speaker 6: you know, I was I was impressed with certain elements
Speaker 6: on both sides of the ball. You know, I still
Speaker 6: think they need to figure out how to start games
Speaker 6: better and to clearly finish games better. But I saw
Speaker 6: some signs of life today that I don't think I
Speaker 6: saw at all from that team last year.
Speaker 4: I mean, there were three three and outs at midfield.
Speaker 4: They were given short fields to work with and back
Speaker 4: to back three and outs. There was another one not
Speaker 4: long after that. I think that maybe have bled into
Speaker 4: the second quarter. But you're like, okay, well, you know, offensively,
Speaker 4: this isn't just going to be going you know, working tonight.
Speaker 4: At that point, you're hoping it's sixteen nothing, that the
Speaker 4: defense is just going to be able to stop the
Speaker 4: bleeding enough to where it doesn't get embarrassing. And quite frankly,
Speaker 4: they turned it around in the first half. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was the Patriots had the momentum going into the
Speaker 4: locker room knowing that we're going to get in the
Speaker 4: beginning the ball to start the second half. And again,
Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to dwell on this a
Speaker 4: whole lot, but half of this day was about Tom
Speaker 4: Brady and the feeling that it kind of gave the
Speaker 4: crowd as they went into the locker room at halftime.
Speaker 4: I think I think the mood of that whole halftime
Speaker 4: celebration chain because instead of going down sixteen nothing, oh
Speaker 4: it's sixteen fourteen, and they're actually showing you a little
Speaker 4: something here. Now we can have this nice moment and
Speaker 4: see what happens in the second half. And they gave
Speaker 4: us a ball game. They absolutely gave us a ball.
Speaker 6: I tell you, Hardy with Brady in the house, you know,
Speaker 6: with the Peppers turnover and then the fourth down stop,
Speaker 6: I mean, they got two opportunities. I thought, I for
Speaker 6: I'm like, they're gonna win this game like it's just
Speaker 6: it's it seemed like it was all lining up for
Speaker 6: it to happen. And you'll clearly they haven't taken that
Speaker 6: that step yet. But but some nice games today from
Speaker 6: a number of guys. Disappointing to lose, and certainly some
Speaker 6: elements to talk about, but but I come away with
Speaker 6: with some positive things. It's not gonna matter much next
Speaker 6: week against Miami. They're gonna need to get a win
Speaker 6: in that game. But but but I like a lot
Speaker 6: of what I saw today and a lot of like
Speaker 6: I said, we didn't see those those that kind of fight,
Speaker 6: that kind of ability to bounce back last year. They
Speaker 6: just got to figure out how to get over the hump.
Speaker 4: Paul, your initial thoughts, I know there's a lot that
Speaker 4: happened in the last lot, in the last time, I'm
Speaker 4: going to say last half, fourth quarter.
Speaker 5: Everybody that listens to this show knows me, because I
Speaker 5: don't know if you know, but I might have mentioned
Speaker 5: it in the pregame show. I've been here about twenty
Speaker 5: four years, even though no one knows how to spell
Speaker 5: my name. I'm not big into moral victories. I'm not
Speaker 5: big into and I'm not calling this a moral victory
Speaker 5: or anything like that. We were talking a lot down
Speaker 5: the stretch of this game, and it's like, we've seen
Speaker 5: this before, we've seen this before, and I was sort
Speaker 5: of like the Lone Voice and the Wilderness. I haven't
Speaker 5: seen this before. And I'm talking about the post Brady Erakay, okay,
Speaker 5: I haven't seen the post Brady Patriots play against what
Speaker 5: I considered to be a really good team and not
Speaker 5: need anything fluky to go toe to toe with them.
Speaker 5: They all played Philadelphia for the vast majority of that game.
Speaker 5: And I'm not telling you that that's where, like Mike
Speaker 5: said it perfectly, that's on tomorrow. You're gonna wake up.
Speaker 5: It's gonna say zero in one. Okay, that's what you get, right.
Speaker 5: But there are a lot of things that I looked
Speaker 5: at this game, and I said, they moved the ball
Speaker 5: better than they did for the most part last year.
Speaker 5: They still have some problems finishish drives. They still have
Speaker 5: some problems with some penalties in opportunity times. But defensively,
Speaker 5: you're down sixteen nothing, you forced four straight three and outs.
Speaker 5: When the game's over, if you get up another scoring drive, Yep,
Speaker 5: this was not a fluke. This was not a fluke.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 5: I'm sure people in Philadelphia say, ah, you know they
Speaker 5: they jumped out to the lead, it's rained. You know,
Speaker 5: they took the foot off to get bull bull. I
Speaker 5: think this was different than what I've seen from the
Speaker 5: Patriots and the post Brady era. I'm not again, I
Speaker 5: don't want to come off as polyanniish like this is.
Speaker 5: Oh look at these Patriots dot com guys talking about,
Speaker 5: you know, all the great things. I thought the Patriots
Speaker 5: showed a lot of toughness today, and I thought they
Speaker 5: played well for the most part. It wasn't perfect. It
Speaker 5: was a week one game, but I thought they played
Speaker 5: pretty well, and I wasn't expecting. I thought if they
Speaker 5: were going to win the game, they were gonna need
Speaker 5: a lot of help from Philadelphia. They didn't get a
Speaker 5: lot of help from Philadelphia to be to be in
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 4: All right, let's let's get to our good, the bad,
Speaker 4: and the injured. Here we go. Now it's time for
Speaker 4: the good.
Speaker 8: Pretty good, they pretty good, The bad.
Speaker 2: And the injured.
Speaker 9: Ah ah, you are right, guy, Good, the bad, me
Speaker 9: and jured brought to you by the good players, the
Speaker 9: bad players, and the injured players.
Speaker 4: Tonight as the Patriots lose to the Eagles here at
Speaker 4: your let's stadium in twenty five twenty. I don't know
Speaker 4: how you want to do this, how you want to go.
Speaker 4: If you want to go just in what's top of
Speaker 4: your head chronologically deuce, Yeah, just go for it, you first,
Speaker 4: good Mac mac Jones, here you go, kid.
Speaker 6: You know, I just I just caught a highlight on
Speaker 6: one of the other shows. But I'm sure we're going
Speaker 6: to show it here in a second with the Kendrick
Speaker 6: Borne touchdown. But uh, you know, the first pick obviously
Speaker 6: off his hand, high throw. I think the first couple
Speaker 6: of throws were high, and I think he can doc
Speaker 6: Mack a little bit for that, but otherwise some of
Speaker 6: those throws we've seen. It just it just made me
Speaker 6: remember all the things we were mad at him about
Speaker 6: last year that they couldn't do, you know, finishing drives
Speaker 6: with touchdowns, throwing into the end zone in the red zone.
Speaker 1: You know, he did those things. You know it It
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect.
Speaker 6: But I came away from this game, you know, just
Speaker 6: kind of reinvigorated about mac Jones and his and his
Speaker 6: potential within this offense. I think, you know, he showed
Speaker 6: a lot today, a lot of toughness. I mean that
Speaker 6: we talked all week about the defensive front. We know
Speaker 6: what he was dealing with with his offensive line. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, that's another another conversation, but one sack. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think Mac deserves some credit getting the offense in
Speaker 6: the right plays. It wasn't all perfect, but I think
Speaker 6: the Patriots were in this game in large part because
Speaker 6: some of the big throws that Mac Jones played today.
Speaker 1: So I tip my hap to him, you know.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately it came in a losing effort, but a real
Speaker 6: nice game from Mac Jones, one of the best that
Speaker 6: I can remember in recent memory.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately in a losing effort.
Speaker 4: Though, Boss man Fred Kirsch joining us, Now, do you
Speaker 4: have any initial thoughts before we get further into the
Speaker 4: good list, For I want to give you every opportunity
Speaker 4: to speak. It's important to me to hear your thoughts. Well.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, he's not the best, and I think
Speaker 3: there's a lot to build on. I think there's signs
Speaker 3: of hope for the offense. For sure, they're not quite
Speaker 3: there yet. I mean, you can't play thirty minutes of football,
Speaker 3: you got to play sixty minutes. But I think, you know,
Speaker 3: there were there were plays there that Mac made. I
Speaker 3: think the O line for what you know, how it's
Speaker 3: constituted pass protected pretty well throughout except toward the end.
Speaker 3: But throughout the game they did pretty well. Not a
Speaker 3: lot of room to run though, you know. But going
Speaker 3: in we thought it was going to be a disaster
Speaker 3: with the old line, and it wasn't. It wasn't Mac
Speaker 3: had Mac had time for the most part. So I
Speaker 3: mean there's hope there. You get in, when you back,
Speaker 3: you get strange back and maybe they get even a
Speaker 3: little better. So I think there's hope there for the offense.
Speaker 3: I think the d D played really well, you know,
Speaker 3: for them, so and I think they're just going to
Speaker 3: get better, all right.
Speaker 4: Paul, your first good is it defense related by any chance?
Speaker 5: No, my first good will be something Fred just touched
Speaker 5: on pass protection and it listen, it was all game
Speaker 5: plan related. They got the ball out of Mac Jones's hands,
Speaker 5: you know, enlightening quick for the most part. They only
Speaker 5: tried two or three balls downfield the entire game, and
Speaker 5: that was I think by design, because they knew they
Speaker 5: wouldn't hold up. And Fred, you said that it you
Speaker 5: know maybe toward the end. Well, that's the difference is
Speaker 5: you have to get desperate and you have to make
Speaker 5: plays on fourth to twelve, stuff like that. But I
Speaker 5: thought the pass protection was not an issue in this game.
Speaker 5: I've been really critical of those who want to give
Speaker 5: the out to the offense because of the offensive line
Speaker 5: before even seeing the games. That's what Fred and I
Speaker 5: have been talking about. Can we see the game and
Speaker 5: see how it unfolds before we say that's why they
Speaker 5: only scored twenty points. The offensive line wasn't why they
Speaker 5: only scored twenty points. Today, don't pin this on the
Speaker 5: pass protection. You had two rookies making their their starts
Speaker 5: at Tonio Mafi in City, so it wasn't perfect yet.
Speaker 5: Some penalties in there and some pressures given up, But
Speaker 5: you threw the ball fifty four times and it was
Speaker 5: not a train wreck.
Speaker 3: They didn't have a sack until the to the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean there was pressure, you know at times,
Speaker 5: but it wasn't like it wasn't like he was under siege.
Speaker 5: They didn't score because they couldn't execute often enough to
Speaker 5: finish the drives. And it wasn't on the offensive line.
Speaker 6: I think just to complement your point as it, you know,
Speaker 6: a couple of times when they did have some traffic
Speaker 6: around Mac, I thought Mac did a good job of,
Speaker 6: you know, staying focused, staying downfield. He wasn't bailing, he
Speaker 6: wasn't you know, sometimes just taking sacks like he like
Speaker 6: he would last year.
Speaker 1: So I think it's all tied together. But yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: nice job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And and as good as the defense played tonight,
Speaker 4: my first good there were there were two series in
Speaker 4: a row.
Speaker 1: Which focus on the Titans. Now you know that right.
Speaker 5: Oh and by the way, it went five for five
Speaker 5: to that.
Speaker 1: Sorry I had to throw that in.
Speaker 3: I just kidding, don't still baits basking in the Lions went.
Speaker 4: I am a little bit a little bit, a little
Speaker 4: bit as ugly as that was, they were back to
Speaker 4: back series for the offense. Toward the end of the
Speaker 4: second quarter there with you know, spreading the ball around Giseki, Juju, Smith, Schuster,
Speaker 4: Douglas Montgomery there, they all had receptions there, uh, the
Speaker 4: Hunter Henry touchdown that made it sixteen seven. You're like, okay,
Speaker 4: this isn't going to be a complete embarrassment blowout. And
Speaker 4: then another good series they culminated with a Borne touchdown
Speaker 4: to make it sixteen fourteen changed the entire tone of
Speaker 4: the game. The momentum swung back a little bit toward
Speaker 4: the Patriots favor, changed the whole mood of that halftime celebration.
Speaker 4: I thought those two series alone, for as bad as
Speaker 4: the offense started, which we'll get to when we get
Speaker 4: to the batt list, I'm sure they deserve a lot
Speaker 4: of credit because that's when the battling back started and
Speaker 4: that's when you realized, oh, there is something here, and
Speaker 4: it just it. It didn't show up in the first quarter,
Speaker 4: but there was there's something going on with this offense
Speaker 4: that works. Yep. So all right, I like shoot it around.
Speaker 1: What else we got KB two touchdowns?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think all summer long we said
Speaker 6: he had a real good year. He seemed like he was,
Speaker 6: you know, reinvigorated by you know, just last year. He
Speaker 6: didn't feel like it a great year. Came in in
Speaker 6: great shape, was productive in training camp. You know, had
Speaker 6: some tough catches today, some real nice catching runs. So
Speaker 6: it's you know, kind of coming to fruition a little.
Speaker 6: I know, people, you know, last year was kind of
Speaker 6: somewhat of a joke, like you know, banging the KB drum.
Speaker 6: And but I think tonight he showed you know how
Speaker 6: we can how can you how we can get involved.
Speaker 6: You see that touchdown catch there? Thought Mac put him
Speaker 6: put it right on him.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: And so hopefully we can continue to see more from Bourne.
Speaker 6: They needed him today and he came through.
Speaker 3: So we've got we've got a binky race going on.
Speaker 3: Who's going to become Mac Jones is binky And right
Speaker 3: now it's a three way race between Borne, Stevenson and
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry. Those those are the three.
Speaker 5: I think it's born. Eleven targets, Yeah, spoke double with
Speaker 5: anybody else. I think it's born.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That that Hunter Henry catch though on the fourth and eighth.
Speaker 3: Great catch that we're gonna get to that later. That's
Speaker 3: that's yep. Yeah. I mean what you know, I was
Speaker 3: gonna mention Bourne as well. I like the fact that,
Speaker 3: you know, Douglas showed up. I you know, people thought
Speaker 3: I read think Douglas. You know, uh, Patri's gonna look
Speaker 3: for Douglas to have a big game. Well that would
Speaker 3: be ridiculous. You know, his first NFL game. You know
Speaker 3: you're relying on him to have a big game. I
Speaker 3: was just hoping that he showed up a couple of times.
Speaker 5: And he did so I was I thought he was excellent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very pleased with what he did.
Speaker 5: You know, he looked like he might have not been
Speaker 5: where he was supposed to be a couple of times,
Speaker 5: like and again, third year quarterback, when the throw goes
Speaker 5: in the direction of a guy and it's nowhere near
Speaker 5: where the guy, I'm going to put that on the receiver.
Speaker 5: But I agree with Fred. Seven catches, I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: seven targets, four catches for forty yards didn't look out
Speaker 5: of place at all. Yeah, I thought it was a
Speaker 5: solid debut.
Speaker 3: So, you know, just overall again, I you know, I
Speaker 3: don't want to just keep repeating myself, but I think
Speaker 3: there's a lot to build on from the offense. You
Speaker 3: can see that they they might have an offense here, yep,
Speaker 3: and it might like you know, that first time early
Speaker 3: in the first half, that first drive they had, they
Speaker 3: were mixing it up really well. You know, you could
Speaker 3: see the effects of Bill O'Brien clearly in how they
Speaker 3: were calling plays, the type of plays they were calling.
Speaker 3: They were keeping you know, the Eagles on their heels
Speaker 3: by the variety, and they were executing for the most part.
Speaker 3: You know, they had those you know, the first half
Speaker 3: was mistake ridden. That that was what was their downfall.
Speaker 6: Yeah, is the striking to me just looking at the
Speaker 6: targets comparing to the two teams. I mean, we know
Speaker 6: Brown and Smith are the main two guys. You know,
Speaker 6: both of them had ten targets, but after that it's
Speaker 6: nobody game. Well had four and then it's like two
Speaker 6: to one two one, you know, the Patriots have I
Speaker 6: mean seven seven, seven, six, six, eleven.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a difference to four times as supposed
Speaker 5: to be thirty three.
Speaker 6: But but just showing that they're they're not locked into
Speaker 6: you know, it's it's the ability to get to what
Speaker 6: you have.
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, I'd rather have the ability to move.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'll take Brown and Smith absolutely. I mean,
Speaker 5: we can save that for Tuesday and we'll get into that.
Speaker 1: That's right. I get what you're saying.
Speaker 6: I'm just my point is that it's not like Mac
Speaker 6: has three guys to throw two and he doesn't know
Speaker 6: what the hell else to do with the ball. He
Speaker 6: feels comfortable throwing all these guys, And for me, this
Speaker 6: is an offense that was completely torn down to the
Speaker 6: studs last year, and they don't know who they are
Speaker 6: they get out there tonight. I mean, I think that
Speaker 6: there as much as we are being like what are
Speaker 6: we gonna expect tonight?
Speaker 1: Who are we?
Speaker 6: And I think that they can take what they can't
Speaker 6: what they did tonight and start to build on that
Speaker 6: and get to the team that can score a touchdown time.
Speaker 10: I do.
Speaker 3: And I think there was fight in the team. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, I think the Eagles played a little safe
Speaker 3: at the end there, but I think that I think
Speaker 3: there was I don't think they went for no I
Speaker 3: know that I'm talking about the calls that they played.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, the play calling was a little bit safe,
Speaker 3: but I think you know, the big hit by.
Speaker 1: Peppers, you know, that was like don't talk about him.
Speaker 3: I mean that was but that was like the Braidy
Speaker 3: the Brady like game that you need that play by
Speaker 3: the defense. They come up with it and then the
Speaker 3: Patriots go down and take advantage of it. That they
Speaker 3: just didn't finish it, but it was right there for
Speaker 3: the taking. It was right there. And I know we'll
Speaker 3: hear Bill a little later. He was second guest on
Speaker 3: not going for those three.
Speaker 5: It's just like when one fell swooped like it absolutely
Speaker 5: all right, all right, stick, we'll stick to the good.
Speaker 4: Oh I still have a.
Speaker 5: Lot of good.
Speaker 4: I got a lot of good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Fred's not going to kill my bus. You talked
Speaker 5: about the defense a little bit, right, and the offense
Speaker 5: started off good like that when they're down sixteen to
Speaker 5: nothing and to force I believe four three and outs
Speaker 5: in a row. The run fits like improved right away.
Speaker 5: I thought they had a little pressure defensively early on
Speaker 5: good coverage. I thought the coverage was tight. I just
Speaker 5: thought this was the kind of game. Everybody says, this
Speaker 5: is the defense they have, and every time I see
Speaker 5: them play against a good offense, I don't see that
Speaker 5: defense today. I saw the defense that people talk about.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know that the twenty five is going
Speaker 5: to be up on that board, and you know, thirteen
Speaker 5: of them really, I mean, you know, I would say
Speaker 5: maybe ten of them, you know, probably weren't because I
Speaker 5: mean you are allowed to stop him from getting a
Speaker 5: touchdown after you fumble down there. But six of them anyway, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean seven, you know, seven goes on the board
Speaker 5: on the pick six, and then they get another six,
Speaker 5: you know, on the fumble. But I thought, overall, the
Speaker 5: defense did a really good job today and kept the
Speaker 5: team in the game under really tough circumstances. So I'm
Speaker 5: just going widespread. I'll let Mike talk about his BANKI
Speaker 5: and I would say key On White I thought was
Speaker 5: a presence through everything early in the game. So yeah, well,
Speaker 5: I just defensively in general, I thought this was the
Speaker 5: kind of game people keep telling me, this is the
Speaker 5: kind of defense they have today.
Speaker 6: I started for the first time, and I was sitting
Speaker 6: up there, you know, with Evan and I think we
Speaker 6: were all kind of expecting last year, which was that, Yeah,
Speaker 6: the defense played great in the middle of the game,
Speaker 6: but here it is, we're coming down to the end.
Speaker 1: They're not going to get that last stop that they need.
Speaker 7: That.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's where my head was at. And then
Speaker 6: Peppers forced the fumble. They get the fourth down stop
Speaker 6: you know in the midfield.
Speaker 1: I know they had some help, but.
Speaker 5: Still right about them even the fumble, Like you need
Speaker 5: to stop what happened. First play, rips it up the
Speaker 5: middle for the eight yards and now Peppers knocks the
Speaker 5: ball out. Yeah, they were easily going to get a
Speaker 5: drive started there. But yeah, gave by Peppers like that
Speaker 5: deserves its own.
Speaker 6: Let's just put him on the good right now, Peppers,
Speaker 6: I'll do it. I'm just gonna jump the gun. But
Speaker 6: you know, not only that hit, but also the plane
Speaker 6: coverage where he got over Frank mccordy like and he's right, yeah,
Speaker 6: so I thought he, I mean god, he must have
Speaker 6: played close to every snap.
Speaker 1: I thought Peppers was out there the whole time. But
Speaker 1: but active and well, that's a better look. I didn't
Speaker 1: get that good of a look at it. Thanks, guys.
Speaker 5: That's at those guys played well today under a first circumstances.
Speaker 3: Once again, our TD is on top of it always.
Speaker 4: No, it's just and I apologize because I was looking
Speaker 4: something up. I don't know if you guys mentioned it.
Speaker 4: There was a Peppers he jammed somebody off the line.
Speaker 4: It was was Golbert or Goddard. Excuse me that he
Speaker 4: looked like he cracked him in the ribs. He kind
Speaker 4: of got like a shoulder up underneath him, kind of
Speaker 4: spun him.
Speaker 5: Did you that would check out?
Speaker 3: I didn't see that one.
Speaker 1: He definitely would check out, did you guys gave him
Speaker 1: a little one too. I love it the body.
Speaker 4: He just spun them it and you could tell that
Speaker 4: he wasn't expecting it and and and it really threw
Speaker 4: him off. Now he ended up do them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't have it, and Goddard was Goddard had
Speaker 5: only targeted once the whole game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he didn't have He didn't have any receptions tonight.
Speaker 4: But and I was a lot I think he but
Speaker 4: I think he was. I think he sat out like
Speaker 4: two plays after that. I'm like, look at your brail
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 5: There was like doing some damage. There was like two
Speaker 5: plays in a row, and Mike goes, oh god, it's
Speaker 5: all I know.
Speaker 6: That's something I gotta look at because I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: I think the Eagles are killing themselves with a couple
Speaker 6: of those plays, because it.
Speaker 1: Just seemed like he was kind of like it was shocked.
Speaker 5: But I think the Patriots made them look that way,
Speaker 5: like unlike Cincinnati, you know, as an example of a
Speaker 5: game that was kind of like this, they could have
Speaker 5: stolen it at the end and then they fumbled, but
Speaker 5: Cincinnati like dominated the game. The Patriots, I thought, all
Speaker 5: played Philadelphia today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, before we get to your next good, just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: an overall defensive good. I was expecting Hurts to kind
Speaker 4: of have almost almost like a like we saw the
Speaker 4: other night from Kansas City. I thought if he had
Speaker 4: a Mahomes like night where he wasn't that good, but
Speaker 4: Mahomes would get loose and you know, pick up, you know,
Speaker 4: there's ten twelve yards, just kind of like I thought, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what Hurts is going to do tonight. It may
Speaker 4: not be that flashy because he's not Patrick Mahomes when
Speaker 4: he's out and it looked like he wasn't interested in
Speaker 4: running today, he's really well, you know what, I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's him. I don't know that he had a lot
Speaker 4: of opportunity to do it. And number one, the downfield
Speaker 4: coverage was pretty good, but it sticky, and I think
Speaker 4: they also managed to clog up some areas underneath where
Speaker 4: if Hurts was thinking about running and doing that kind
Speaker 4: of like Mahomes act like we saw the other night
Speaker 4: against the Lions, which obviously didn't work out for him,
Speaker 4: but he did get his yards. Hurts didn't get anythington
Speaker 4: I would have thirty six yards thirty.
Speaker 5: Six rushing nine Yeah, but hep he kept sliding like
Speaker 5: on designed runs.
Speaker 4: I don't think he wanted much to do with the
Speaker 4: Patriots defense tonight. And and again, credit to the downfield coverage,
Speaker 4: you know, that's first and foremost when he got his
Speaker 4: receivers to deal with.
Speaker 5: But there was one play, there was a third and
Speaker 5: three late where he scrambled like you're talking about Hardy, yeah,
Speaker 5: and he realized, I gotta I gotta put my shoulder
Speaker 5: down and I got to get the first down and
Speaker 5: he did, and he ended up getting like six yards
Speaker 5: on third and three. Other than that, every time he
Speaker 5: it's I think it's probably something they've really talked about
Speaker 5: all off season. He got hurt running the ball league
Speaker 5: last season.
Speaker 1: Don't take a necessary shot.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's it.
Speaker 5: Maybe like a live runner, I would say four or
Speaker 5: five times today and just gave up the play when
Speaker 5: there were more yards.
Speaker 3: To be gained.
Speaker 5: Noye couple. Yeah, they weren't gonna be big plays, but
Speaker 5: it was a concerted effort. I'm not taking a hit
Speaker 5: here if I don't need to, Okay, So maybe I'm
Speaker 5: giving credit word No, I'm giving credit to the Patriots defense.
Speaker 5: I agree with you. I think they and you know,
Speaker 5: and you talking about the difference between a three yard
Speaker 5: gain and a five yard game, not the difference between
Speaker 5: a twenty yard game that they slid on.
Speaker 4: We all saw the numbers at the start of the
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. I think they had ninety some passing yard
Speaker 4: in another ninety rushing yards. Like they've moved the ball.
Speaker 3: Listen, the defense gave up eighteen points today, I'll take it.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean we had two hundred and fifty yards of offense.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And now I know that that's a little deceptive
Speaker 5: because you had a seventy yard pick six that you
Speaker 5: don't get the possession of it. Two hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: yards is really good defense, really good defense.
Speaker 4: It is all right, dude, what do you got?
Speaker 1: Gone's out?
Speaker 4: Yeah, great, one out?
Speaker 5: Uh yeah.
Speaker 6: Just he was he was really good tonight. I think
Speaker 6: as a big part of the past defense. I mean
Speaker 6: I just, uh, I'm kind of surprised, to be honest,
Speaker 6: I wasn't, you know, kind of expecting him to. I mean,
Speaker 6: he's just he's we were concerned about his physicality, and
Speaker 6: I just think he's continuing to kind of show up
Speaker 6: and you know, getting.
Speaker 1: His nose in there. It's he's not an overpowering guy.
Speaker 6: But I think he just showed his athleticism that that
Speaker 6: pass defense he had there, uh near the end of
Speaker 6: the game was was a big play.
Speaker 5: So yeah, self, as Sackat had, I had him on
Speaker 5: the list for the for the past defense with the
Speaker 5: game on the line. I'd be curious to see what
Speaker 5: the experts twos have him graded. Because Mike mentioned the
Speaker 5: two guys, I mean they both cut seven out of
Speaker 5: the ten balls thrown to them. So and I don't
Speaker 5: know how great I mean, especially Brown, he was what
Speaker 5: I thought was a problem he was.
Speaker 3: He was a little soft in his coverage. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think he's got good makeup speed, but the makeup
Speaker 3: speed that you had in college you need a little
Speaker 3: bit more in the NFL. These guys are faster than
Speaker 3: who you covered in college. And I think he saw that.
Speaker 3: I think he's learning every game. But the play, I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm good with him.
Speaker 5: Fourth and two, that's just a great play diving to
Speaker 5: to break up that pass intended for Devonte Smith.
Speaker 3: And that was a good throw too, that was right
Speaker 3: on target.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 5: In the games online, you give up that completion, game's over.
Speaker 5: You know, you don't get even get that last gas chance.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I agree with Mike. Gonzo was was strongly
Speaker 5: on my good list.
Speaker 1: Kind of crazy they blitzed him out of the slot though,
Speaker 1: Like even that just feels.
Speaker 5: Like if we get this kind of a setup and
Speaker 5: they go there split Ye, I don't know, he's active, Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was active.
Speaker 3: Fred any other goods just watching Gonzo on the screen.
Speaker 5: Paul, Okay, Well, I think we're at the point where
Speaker 5: we just sort of wrap him up, right. Sure, I
Speaker 5: thought two big returns. You had a big kickoff return
Speaker 5: for Time Montgomery forty forty three yards forty something yards,
Speaker 5: and then a big one for Marcus Jones. Now it
Speaker 5: went downhill after that. Special teams wise, but I thought
Speaker 5: though they gave him a lift. Unfortunately, the offense was
Speaker 5: really bad for the first quarter and a half and
Speaker 5: they didn't get anything out of it.
Speaker 3: What's Montgomery's numbers?
Speaker 5: Montgomery?
Speaker 6: Really, He's got one carry for seven yards and then
Speaker 6: he had two catches for nine yards.
Speaker 1: Three targets, so now not a.
Speaker 3: Lot, but the returners just glad to see him out there.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't get hit, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 5: That we know of.
Speaker 4: I just want to make sure Hunter Henry gets special
Speaker 4: mention tonight. I thought he was making big plays and
Speaker 4: you know, absolutely on my list hardy yeah numbers wyse,
Speaker 4: uh you know, five catches for fifty six yards the
Speaker 4: touchdown of course, so uh he he deserves to mention
Speaker 4: and was doing a decent job blocking tonight too, which
Speaker 4: you know a couple of times it's like you don't
Speaker 4: look for that, but some of that protection that I
Speaker 4: think Mac was getting tonight, and I'm like, oh, the
Speaker 4: Hunter just had a nice block there, look at that, Okay, good.
Speaker 4: I was happy to see it.
Speaker 1: They had one of the fourth down catches, right, the
Speaker 1: one hander is that?
Speaker 4: That was the fourth and eight?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He also had a bad call against him hunting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a cheesy holding car.
Speaker 3: There were a couple of Now, Zoe says, the ref
Speaker 3: got it wrong. It was actually in Farrell Brown. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: and they called Hunter.
Speaker 5: Henry all right, all off of that because that was
Speaker 5: a yeah, no, there wasn't and but even I didn't
Speaker 5: think it was the one hand. I didn't think there
Speaker 5: was a chop block on the Eagles too.
Speaker 3: On that why.
Speaker 5: I thought the guy was coming in motion and tripped
Speaker 5: and fell.
Speaker 1: That's a good catch.
Speaker 7: Right there.
Speaker 5: But this is a great catch and this is another
Speaker 5: one for all right, we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 5: I guess it almost looked like he was gonna stop,
Speaker 5: and Mac kind of thought, was not a good throw
Speaker 5: and uh, just great concentration by Hunter Henry to come
Speaker 5: up with that wasn't a good Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't.
Speaker 5: But I thought, overall, I agree with with you guys,
Speaker 5: Yeah on Hunter Henry. Let's yeah, I think that's about it.
Speaker 5: All right, let's get to the bats. The first thing
Speaker 5: that's really sticking in your crawduce, what is it?
Speaker 6: Just the start to the game, you know, just coming on,
Speaker 6: and I mean I think some of it was related
Speaker 6: to the weather, you know, with the ball slipping through
Speaker 6: Bourne's hands, but you just you can't start the first
Speaker 6: two possessions of the game with a pick six and
Speaker 6: then a fumble. I mean, and that's you know, just
Speaker 6: goes back to situational football. I think it's been a
Speaker 6: problem for them a lot of this year, you know,
Speaker 6: the last couple of years, and you know it not
Speaker 6: directly related, but you know, just at the end of
Speaker 6: the game, it's like, you know, you have an opportunity
Speaker 6: with situational football to punch the ball in and win
Speaker 6: the game, take the lead at very least, So kind
Speaker 6: of the bookends of just the performance, the execution, beginning
Speaker 6: of the game, end of the game. You got to
Speaker 6: clean those things up first. And I think, you know,
Speaker 6: if they can just get get out with not having
Speaker 6: those two turnovers and the points to come with them,
Speaker 6: let's see what happens with the game. You know, if
Speaker 6: they've gotten just an okay start, we could have been
Speaker 6: a totally different game. So I'm excited to see them
Speaker 6: build some confidence off of this, and hopefully they can
Speaker 6: carry that into the start next week and go in saying, hey,
Speaker 6: we are pretty good. We got a number of guys
Speaker 6: who made plays for us. We should be feeling pretty
Speaker 6: good about ourselves. Let's build off of this and you know,
Speaker 6: start to execute in those key moments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the you know, and one of the
Speaker 4: first plays after Hurts fumbled. I don't know if it
Speaker 4: was a bad snap or if you just fumble the snap,
Speaker 4: or like, oh, okay, jump right on it. Oh we
Speaker 4: got an offside call? You know this that you know
Speaker 4: that factors into the start of the game. It wasn't
Speaker 4: just you know, the offense dragon. It was one of
Speaker 4: the things we really talked about in the pre game.
Speaker 5: It's a really good point because and that's why I
Speaker 5: like the way Mike said, like just the start. Yes,
Speaker 5: that was like the second play of the game. We
Speaker 5: get a neutral zone in fraction lined up in the
Speaker 5: neutral zone, you know, and that could have been you know,
Speaker 5: you're probably gonna get a punt there, it's gonna be now,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be third and fifteen. Instead it's first down,
Speaker 5: and they put a drive together, went right down the
Speaker 5: field and you were kind of fortunate to hold him
Speaker 5: too a field goal on that first drive. So I
Speaker 5: agree with you throwing throwing Wys in there. But I
Speaker 5: thought Mac was really bad early in the game. Now,
Speaker 5: like Mike said earlier, he responded to it. But I
Speaker 5: thought really throughout the game offensively, Philly won all the
Speaker 5: important downs. Patriots were five for fifteen on third down,
Speaker 5: one for four and fourth down first downs were the
Speaker 5: important in the Yeah, and I have the numbers. If
Speaker 5: you want me to give him down to break him down,
Speaker 5: first walked the Patriots. You know, you want to see
Speaker 5: the difference in the game. The Eagles scored on the
Speaker 5: first couple of possessions six yards. This is this is
Speaker 5: first down six yards, eight yards, eight yards, five yards,
Speaker 5: five yards, touchdown. Those are their first downs early in
Speaker 5: the game. Now it goes to zero, one, zero three.
Speaker 5: All three of those resulted in three and ounce. That
Speaker 5: was the first half. So put that in your pipe
Speaker 5: and smoke.
Speaker 3: First down success failure.
Speaker 4: That's what you get for argument, because he keeps receipts,
Speaker 4: especially on the goods that he's selling it.
Speaker 5: It was something we talked about in the pregame. I
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, let's see if it comes to fruition.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you come in here, start talking about
Speaker 4: third downs. I just want to know about the first downs.
Speaker 5: Legitimate Patriots offensive start on first down two yards, then
Speaker 5: nine yards, five yards, and that was the those resulting
Speaker 5: in they got better and then zero yards fumble, and
Speaker 5: then four yards minus one yard, three yard minus two yard.
Speaker 5: No wonder, they were scoreless, like with four minutes left
Speaker 5: in the first half, like they couldn't get the ball moving.
Speaker 4: What's the first thing that's gonna bug you about this
Speaker 4: game when you think about it tomorrow, Fred, The first
Speaker 4: bad thing on your list what's gonna bug you?
Speaker 3: Well, I think the pick six, you know, just that
Speaker 3: just the mistakes early.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Eagles had had their hands on a lot
Speaker 5: of passes today. They only caught one, but they could
Speaker 5: have had four.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's I don't know if I'm
Speaker 4: right to have this bug me as much as it
Speaker 4: does the decision to go for it on fourth and
Speaker 4: three instead of kicking the field.
Speaker 3: Okay, so are we going to get into that?
Speaker 5: My big my biggest bat of the day is Bill Belichick.
Speaker 5: I thought he coached a situationally poor game, and I
Speaker 5: think that's the first play that you start with.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I mean we don't have to go chronologically here.
Speaker 4: We might as well get into it. If it's going
Speaker 4: to be on the is it going to be on
Speaker 4: the battles.
Speaker 15: For all of it?
Speaker 4: Or do you agree with the gay?
Speaker 3: Yeah? See, I think you can go. I could have
Speaker 3: gone either way on that one, Like I can make
Speaker 3: the argument for either side, like by not going you know,
Speaker 3: if you get the field goal, you're still going to
Speaker 3: need a touchdown. You know we're down It is because
Speaker 3: you would have been down five.
Speaker 5: But you lost if you kicked the field goal. You
Speaker 5: could have kicked the field goal won the game.
Speaker 3: If if, if things work out. But if you if
Speaker 3: everything is equal, you kick the field goal, you're still
Speaker 3: going to get a touchdown. If you miss the field goal,
Speaker 3: you're still going to need a touchdown.
Speaker 11: You know, right.
Speaker 5: And then with the way they did it, you needed
Speaker 5: two scores. You needed a touchdown in another.
Speaker 3: Quest because they ended up because they didn't hold them
Speaker 3: exactly right.
Speaker 5: But you put it so if the other team scores,
Speaker 5: I'm down two scores with five, right, but I now
Speaker 5: need a miracle. But I almost got it.
Speaker 3: No by not by not by not going by going
Speaker 3: for it and not getting it. You're still down by eight,
Speaker 3: So you need you need to get the ball back,
Speaker 3: and you need to score a touchdown with a two
Speaker 3: point conversion, you know, if you if you get if
Speaker 3: you go for the field goal, you're down five, you
Speaker 3: still need a touchdown.
Speaker 4: Okay, But if everything plays out exactly the same, a
Speaker 4: field goal wins the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the end, that's all in hindsight, I mean
Speaker 3: in high sight.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's hindsight at all. I think so
Speaker 5: Fred's theory. Okay, so you're still down five, Yeah, Now
Speaker 5: I don't have to be perfect. I can. I can
Speaker 5: give up a drive, I can give up a field
Speaker 5: goal and still only be down a touchdown. The way
Speaker 5: he did it, I had to be perfect. I had
Speaker 5: to get the ball score immediately, get a three and
Speaker 5: our re turnover. They got a turnover on the first play,
Speaker 5: and they still couldn't win the game, right because they
Speaker 5: were chasing two scores. Yeah, all because you didn't kick
Speaker 5: a few. I would have kicked a field going fourth
Speaker 5: to twelve.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of with you there, it was. It
Speaker 4: was a little too far out, but then kicked.
Speaker 3: You got this.
Speaker 4: You kept this guy weapon exactly exactly what what if
Speaker 4: if that's not going to be what he's here for?
Speaker 4: You should have kept full And I'll say I.
Speaker 5: Went better at the end of the game. I would
Speaker 5: have punted on fourth and seventeen. Certainly after the after
Speaker 5: the delay game, I would have punted. Yeah, see, it
Speaker 5: pinned them down.
Speaker 3: I'm more like they should have gone for that fifty
Speaker 3: three yarder. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: And by the way, Paul, delay a game, you can
Speaker 4: you can accept that because they didn't have any time
Speaker 4: all they had.
Speaker 5: Three three times, But you can't waste one.
Speaker 3: But go back to the fifty three yarder. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's game, it's week one. You got a new kicker,
Speaker 3: get him in there right away to give him that experience, right,
Speaker 3: And we didn't even think of that. But I like that.
Speaker 1: I totally agree for That's just what I was thinking about.
Speaker 6: It's like, you got a rookie here, you got so
Speaker 6: many of these new guys, you got so many new
Speaker 6: guys involved that. I mean, I just I rubber stamp
Speaker 6: everything Paul said about just understanding who this offense is,
Speaker 6: Like had this been last year, was playing right, how
Speaker 6: this field, how they were last year, this field goal,
Speaker 6: You're not going to be back in this position basically.
Speaker 5: So I know it's not technically by the letter of
Speaker 5: the law, but they basically forced two turnovers on the
Speaker 5: last two possessions of the game and still lost well
Speaker 5: because they put themselves intentionally in a situation where they
Speaker 5: were going to need to chase two scores. Oh, you
Speaker 5: just said it.
Speaker 4: I don't need hindsight to because that was my thought
Speaker 4: at the time. I said you should take the three
Speaker 4: here on the fourth and three because of what Paul
Speaker 4: just said, the way your defense was playing you take
Speaker 4: three points, you may you get yourself within five, Go
Speaker 4: get a stop and then see what happened.
Speaker 5: There's other situations. What's less than that. Yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 5: with you one hundred percent. I understand Fred's point. I
Speaker 5: think Fred makes the counter argument. That's the logical counter argument.
Speaker 5: I disagree with it, but a lot of people disagree,
Speaker 5: and I know what Fred's saying. We talked about it
Speaker 5: live during the game the four of us, Evan was
Speaker 5: with us.
Speaker 3: People in the blog were all, go for the points,
Speaker 3: go for the points.
Speaker 5: I also think when they scored the touchdown to make
Speaker 5: it what was it, twenty five twenty they scored a
Speaker 5: touchdown it they scored the last touchdown on the game. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: they went, they went, and they went, they went for two.
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaking fling. And then right quickly after that touchdown,
Speaker 5: he squip kicked and gave him the ball to twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Sort, I can't understand that either.
Speaker 3: You correct, they were looking for a turnover, Well.
Speaker 5: They were looking to see if they do something stupid,
Speaker 5: they get them pinned down, then you have a chance
Speaker 5: on fourth and seventeen for midfield to pin them down,
Speaker 5: and you go for it. Like I don't understand. I
Speaker 5: don't I don't get it. It's the bill cost them
Speaker 5: a chance to win that game down the stretch with
Speaker 5: some very questionable decisions.
Speaker 4: Okay, we got into fourth and three. It didn't take
Speaker 4: over the entire show. Now we can move on other
Speaker 4: things on the bad list.
Speaker 3: By the way, it's a very fancy shirt you have on.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, thank you.
Speaker 6: No, I mean, it's it's hard to know what we've
Speaker 6: covered because I know, like you know, third downs and
Speaker 6: you know, it's hard to I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't have any other I.
Speaker 5: Would say penalties, those two hold the two holding calls,
Speaker 5: and especially if you're telling me it was supposed to
Speaker 5: be one of those was on Pharaoh Brown.
Speaker 3: Well that's what Zoe said, Okay, I know what I mean.
Speaker 5: If all people, yeah, you know, he would he would
Speaker 5: be he would be bitching about it if yeah, if
Speaker 5: it wasn't that way. But those that was a good
Speaker 5: drive they had going in the third quarter, and it
Speaker 5: self destructive because the two holding calls, you know, the
Speaker 5: just penalties at inopportunity times. They were very sloppy. Today.
Speaker 5: It was a Week one game. Both teams were pretty sloppy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they look around the NFL.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of bad football.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Evidently Miami and the Chargers played one of the very
Speaker 5: few games that was a shootout. They won that game
Speaker 5: thirty six thirty four.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, good way. So they'll go in with, you know, thinking,
Speaker 3: smelling themselves and we'll wax them next week. Is that
Speaker 3: what we That is that where we are.
Speaker 5: If we arrived at the point where we hope the
Speaker 5: other team is smelling itself so you can win.
Speaker 3: We're gonna wax them.
Speaker 4: Okay, by the way, ikay, I just double checked because
Speaker 4: I watched the replay. I'm not sure that the call
Speaker 4: was fantastic on Pharaoh Brown, but it was absolutely eighty six. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what And that's why they got the numbers screwed up.
Speaker 4: And when I when I just watched it once on
Speaker 4: the replay, I'm like, I think that's it. Yes, I
Speaker 4: double checked it. We can decide later if it was
Speaker 4: a good holding call or not. But it definitely wasn't
Speaker 4: a hunter Henry, that's sure.
Speaker 5: And the other one was blatant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the other one was he turned to the ground.
Speaker 1: I saw that one live tapped him. From behind.
Speaker 3: You should you should have been another one on that
Speaker 3: Mac Jones run late in the game. Yeah, you should
Speaker 3: teach a defensive lineman if you if that arms around
Speaker 3: your neck, go down to the ground because they'll call
Speaker 3: it every time.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, real quick before we get too far away
Speaker 4: from it. Deduce your prospex. But you mentioned the Dolphins game.
Speaker 4: Did you see Tyreek Hill's numbers?
Speaker 17: No?
Speaker 5: I know he had a huge on what happened?
Speaker 4: Eleven catches for two hundred and fifteen yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Flash Gordon, Is that good asking for a friend?
Speaker 11: I was.
Speaker 6: I was just trying to jump in just to say
Speaker 6: a little not to my Miles Brown. I know we've
Speaker 6: moved on from the good list, but I thought he
Speaker 6: had a couple of nice plays, and he's, you know,
Speaker 6: caught a lot of flack. But I particularly one tackle
Speaker 6: he had on Blue was a j Brown, you know,
Speaker 6: and I think it was the third down to get
Speaker 6: the stop, just open field tackle big guy Miles Bryant.
Speaker 1: You know, I know he's caught a lot of flack
Speaker 1: over the last few years, so.
Speaker 3: Just a little It would have been so nice if
Speaker 3: Matt could have closed the deal because this is the game.
Speaker 3: We're waiting for him to make his bone. He hasn't
Speaker 3: made his bones yet.
Speaker 1: It would have been poetic. Brady's in the building, you know.
Speaker 6: And finally they get you know what feels like a
Speaker 6: kind of a throwback win with the defense getting a
Speaker 6: stop and the offense complimentary football that YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4: What else you got on your bad list? Say anything?
Speaker 1: I'm tapped, tapped?
Speaker 4: How about you can't have anything else? Why is Juju
Speaker 4: Smith Schuster standing on the sideline on the on the
Speaker 4: last play and we're expecting body to tap dance and
Speaker 4: make that catch?
Speaker 5: No, man, I know I would have had Juju Smith
Speaker 5: Schuster on my bad list, but not not that. But
Speaker 5: I think it's an interesting thing to bring up though,
Speaker 5: because I had him on the bad list early. But
Speaker 5: to make two catches on this line and really didn't
Speaker 5: come close to making either one. I didn't like the
Speaker 5: way Smith Shustill looked in this game. I generally had
Speaker 5: one play which kind of kickstarted the first scoring drive.
Speaker 5: It was third and ten and he caught a shallow
Speaker 5: cross one of those bunch formations Eagles got lost and
Speaker 5: he got like fifteen yards. Other than that, I didn't
Speaker 5: like the way he.
Speaker 6: Looked at that drop. He looked unremarkable to me, kind
Speaker 6: of what we've seen this summer. He's just not really
Speaker 6: an explosive guy. He kind of rounds out his routes.
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of explosiveness with him.
Speaker 1: He can break some tackles, I think when he makes
Speaker 1: the catch, but he's not going to really separate.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: He's one of those ones where you see him targeting
Speaker 6: so many different guys you wonder, you know, how are
Speaker 6: things going to play out over the next few weeks,
Speaker 6: of which is.
Speaker 5: Kind of what I'm like. Sometimes I'd just rather have
Speaker 5: the legs go to somebody else that I think is better.
Speaker 5: And one other individual I would say is Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 5: I don't think he was very good in this game.
Speaker 5: Too many I'm wondering, and I mentioned this to you,
Speaker 5: you and Evan Mike during the game. Stevenson was limited
Speaker 5: that practice during the course of the week with an illness.
Speaker 5: I wonder if he's sort of shaking that off and
Speaker 5: that's why he didn't get as full of workload. But
Speaker 5: I thought there were a couple of plays that Elliott
Speaker 5: got today that I think if Stevenson had the same
Speaker 5: opportunity now the defense is different. I get it, but
Speaker 5: I don't think steven I don't think Elliott maximizes yardage
Speaker 5: today he didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Man. Other than the fumble, I thought
Speaker 3: he was nothing. I thought I thought he was okay.
Speaker 5: He had five catches for fourteen yards. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: you have to try to get that few yards on
Speaker 5: that many catches.
Speaker 3: I thought he was okay.
Speaker 5: He had one one eleven yard run, which is a
Speaker 5: play that I firmly believe Ramandri Stevenson would have taken
Speaker 5: for a touchdown. And if that was the little option,
Speaker 5: look in misdirection and.
Speaker 4: If you know nobody there. He had six carries for
Speaker 4: eighteen yards. If you take away the eleven.
Speaker 5: Yard run, that's a trick. And the eleven yard run,
Speaker 5: there's nobody like that's that's not the play. That might
Speaker 5: be the play that I was talking about. I think
Speaker 5: Stevenson had a big This is a big game for
Speaker 5: Steven's right there. Big game, and I don't I just
Speaker 5: think he cuts out. It takes him too long to
Speaker 5: get up. He just doesn't look. And I also thought
Speaker 5: he was loose with the ball. Now, he fumbled once,
Speaker 5: I thought he was loose with the ball a couple
Speaker 5: other times. I just think it was good.
Speaker 4: I didn't think Elliott from my like, okay, I didn't
Speaker 4: think Stevenson was was any better.
Speaker 5: No, Stevenson was two yards to carry. He was getting killed.
Speaker 5: But so I just think that and you guys are right,
Speaker 5: like if the defense might be different if Stevenson's there,
Speaker 5: they think he's more of a threat. But you know,
Speaker 5: he gets an opportunity in the open field at the
Speaker 5: end of the game, rips off a thirty two yard
Speaker 5: or on a screen. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I just was really interested in the running back usage.
Speaker 6: I mean, we've just never really seen it like this.
Speaker 6: They had a lot of two back sets with both
Speaker 6: those big guys out there.
Speaker 5: Handful of those.
Speaker 6: They didn't really use Montgomery as a third down back
Speaker 6: per se. It's just things have really changed, I think
Speaker 6: in the backfielder.
Speaker 3: I don't think we've seen the whole offense. You're gonna
Speaker 3: see Montgomery on third down, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just week one. Well, it's just reacting
Speaker 1: to what we just saw.
Speaker 3: That was all.
Speaker 4: Hey, I saw gas Sickie in the game though. That's good.
Speaker 4: I know what he looks like.
Speaker 3: Now, well, he looks like he's on stilts. Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he doesn't run well volleyball.
Speaker 5: I think he's pretty fast.
Speaker 4: I don't know he's like any any injuries to speak of.
Speaker 3: Not that I saw.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the Eagles had a couple, but I think, yeah, Patriots, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, might hear guys getting banged up, but there was
Speaker 3: nothing on the field that we saw.
Speaker 18: No.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, let's get the phone calls here. Eight
Speaker 4: five five Pats five hundred. This episode of the Patriots
Speaker 4: Post Game Show is presented by Draft Kings. We begin
Speaker 4: by going to Rick in Florida. Rick, thanks for hanging on.
Speaker 5: Welcome.
Speaker 4: What do you got for us?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Please, that's just the boss man is sitting right here.
Speaker 4: That's not what he's not paying attentions, doesn't even matter.
Speaker 5: It's fine.
Speaker 4: We'll go to Eric in New Jersey. Eric, I know
Speaker 4: you're there for us. Hi, Eric, Hey, how are we
Speaker 4: doing good?
Speaker 3: Eric?
Speaker 19: I think he kind of hit it there at the end.
Speaker 11: You know, I think we have to judge Mac again.
Speaker 19: The second game. I think we bring it back fashes
Speaker 19: that Andy's where you know, the game's handcuffed forward right
Speaker 19: there at the end, you know, opportunity right there on
Speaker 19: the opposite side, I mean our side of the field.
Speaker 19: The score had two opportunities to day, still hasn't had
Speaker 19: that comeback game to where you know, the opportunity is
Speaker 19: right there to present himself, you know. Defensively, I felt
Speaker 19: we held up pretty well. Not going to make too
Speaker 19: much conclusions right here off the week one, but I
Speaker 19: think the defense held up to live up to the part.
Speaker 19: But again, I think you know the story days Mac
Speaker 19: Jones not getting it done. I think it's a seventy
Speaker 19: seventeen game audition for the job here, So I think
Speaker 19: it off the line, I think that's.
Speaker 5: All right appreciated.
Speaker 4: Thanks sar Oh there it goes. You give me a
Speaker 4: little good, a little busyness anyway, audition. He said, defense
Speaker 4: was pretty good. He said a lot, He said an
Speaker 4: awful lot. But I think the defense did play well
Speaker 4: enough tonight. And I don't think Philadelphia played their best
Speaker 4: game either, but nobody does in Week one. But no,
Speaker 4: there was a lot of mediocre football we were watching.
Speaker 6: I thought we'd see more of those like those passes
Speaker 6: Hurts had that got ruled in complete that I thought
Speaker 6: was I thought he was in bounced, but I thought
Speaker 6: we'd see more stuff like that. It's just you know,
Speaker 6: him outside the pocket and he just flicks his wrists
Speaker 6: and it's like forty yards downfield, no problem.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's just interesting.
Speaker 1: It's you know, going back to just you know, having
Speaker 1: those two weapons. I mean, they're great players. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be a little bit.
Speaker 6: I'm a little bit concerned if I was filly to think,
Speaker 6: you know, we got these two guys, is this going
Speaker 6: to be a can they stay healthy and be Will
Speaker 6: this be solvable with a team with you know, are
Speaker 6: they that good?
Speaker 19: I don't know.
Speaker 4: All right, Christian in Los Angeles, Hi, Christian, welcome in.
Speaker 4: What do you got?
Speaker 20: Hey, you guys, Hey, you guys. So I know, you know,
Speaker 20: did a slight tendency to lean towards sunshine and rainbows
Speaker 20: because of what we saw last year, but I gotta
Speaker 20: be you know, straight and called to see it. There
Speaker 20: was questionable play calling, terrible execution, and just the lack
Speaker 20: of focus from the beginning, in the middle and then
Speaker 20: and in clutch situations in the end. Anytime also, you
Speaker 20: get a quarterback who throws the ball fifty something times
Speaker 20: and you only got twenty points on the board. That's
Speaker 20: not good.
Speaker 21: He didn't do well.
Speaker 20: If you throw that many times and you can't score,
Speaker 20: and then taking sacks, and then the just the lack
Speaker 20: of focus to play, the lack of focus played at
Speaker 20: the crucial moment is what separates in this league the
Speaker 20: teams that make the playoffs and the teams that you
Speaker 20: got to give you know, hey, you know they did well.
Speaker 20: They show some portitudes. I'll take her out the air,
Speaker 20: two guys, But I'm a little dipointed in the way
Speaker 20: we played.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, taking sacks, I don't know, you're dealing
Speaker 4: with a with a version of the offensive line.
Speaker 5: So I'm reading, I'm reading the transcript, and I'm back
Speaker 5: on the field goal nown like, this is the kind
Speaker 5: of stuff that Bill does, and everybody will eat it
Speaker 5: up because no one will call him on it. You know,
Speaker 5: in hindsight, do you wish you had kick more field
Speaker 5: goals in the game? Made the best decision we could
Speaker 5: at the time. Didn't know we'd be down there multiple times.
Speaker 5: Six minutes to go in the game, I don't know,
Speaker 5: ten minutes to go in the game bill. There's a
Speaker 5: big difference. There's a lot of time left in the game.
Speaker 11: Like I just.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't I don't really understand the
Speaker 5: decision making in this game at all.
Speaker 4: And some of the play calling down the stretch, I
Speaker 4: I have to agree the.
Speaker 5: Unless he's talking about a different possession that I'm thinking of,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Okay, So before the fourth and three there was that
Speaker 4: third down call which Ezekiel Elliott trying to run into
Speaker 4: the middle of the line is a terrible call. That
Speaker 4: hasn't worked. It hasn't especially with this line. It hasn't
Speaker 4: worked all night. Why are you doing that on a
Speaker 4: pivotal third down call? All right, well it didn't work.
Speaker 4: I understand maybe you're trying to play it a little safe,
Speaker 4: but now you can at least take the three Oh
Speaker 4: you're not taking the three points. Oh you don't trust
Speaker 4: your defense has been playing pretty well tonight. There were
Speaker 4: more questionable calls down the stretch. It got into a
Speaker 4: bit of a circus at the end. There was the
Speaker 4: I think on a first and ten on their last
Speaker 4: when they had the last chance to score, and I
Speaker 4: don't know if Mac got hurried and I didn't see it,
Speaker 4: but he threw the ball away over to the left sideline.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that one friend, I don't know what
Speaker 4: the play was supposed to be there, Yeah, And I
Speaker 4: don't buy got drilled. Yeah yeah, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 4: I don't know what exactly was supposed to be going
Speaker 4: on there. But on a first down call, it's like,
Speaker 4: if you're going to run a screen and just try
Speaker 4: and maybe I don't know, get the ball out of
Speaker 4: bounds and and time is coming off the clock, maybe
Speaker 4: that's the time to do that call.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, I mean I also just think they were they
Speaker 6: were really limited today and what they probably felt like
Speaker 6: they could do, you know, so as much as it's like,
Speaker 6: don't do that, like they their hands were tied with
Speaker 6: starting two rookies at you know, two guard spots and
Speaker 6: a guy at right tackle who hasn't didn't have any
Speaker 6: training camp.
Speaker 4: All right, The Patriots the Eagles episode of the postgame
Speaker 4: show is on right now, and Brady and Kansas City
Speaker 4: is on with us. Brady, thanks for calling in. What
Speaker 4: do you got?
Speaker 22: Hey?
Speaker 21: Guys? Think football is back?
Speaker 5: Right right?
Speaker 3: That's true?
Speaker 4: Right, so right right?
Speaker 21: I there was I think there were a lot of
Speaker 21: question marks coming into this season. We didn't know how
Speaker 21: Bill o'bryant's offense was going to be. And I think
Speaker 21: this game is obviously a little bit more optimism than
Speaker 21: pessimistic view this year. I think last year we went
Speaker 21: in a little pessimistic with all the whole chaos going on.
Speaker 21: I had one point. One point that kind of I
Speaker 21: think might have been missed on the bad list was
Speaker 21: the just running offense in general. That seemed like that
Speaker 21: was completely in ept today. Anywhere they ran. They had
Speaker 21: a good front obviously, but just not getting anything from
Speaker 21: it was tough to see. And then I just wanted
Speaker 21: to make the other point of obviously, you guys talked
Speaker 21: about Juju and not being out there and not looking great,
Speaker 21: and then meanwhile, I think Jacoby Myers looked pretty darn
Speaker 21: good on the Raiders today. I just took that kind
Speaker 21: of nasty hit, which is hopefully okay. But just watching
Speaker 21: the swaps there and seeing like how we think that Juju.
Speaker 21: Everyone keeps saying he can break tackles. I haven't seen
Speaker 21: him break kingle tackle.
Speaker 11: Get him.
Speaker 3: He got some yards after catch today, not a lot,
Speaker 3: but he's talking.
Speaker 5: About breaking tackles. He couldn't break anything.
Speaker 3: He made a first guy miss on one of his
Speaker 3: You know, every every time I saw him catch the ball,
Speaker 3: he got tackled immediately, just like Yakobe.
Speaker 5: No go look again, because they had one crossing route
Speaker 5: that there was nobody there. They got caught in the
Speaker 5: bunch formation.
Speaker 4: Other than that, No, there was one.
Speaker 3: He caught in the flat and he made the first
Speaker 3: guy miss and picked up like eight yards.
Speaker 4: Brady, you heard Fred, go watch the game again.
Speaker 5: I'll be I'll be with you, Brady. I'll be doing it.
Speaker 4: So we'll be here until one am.
Speaker 5: We're gonna stay. We're gonna stay like the Brady moments
Speaker 5: that never happened.
Speaker 4: As long as it takes Brady to watch the game
Speaker 4: again and call back again. That's how long we'll stay
Speaker 4: here tonight.
Speaker 1: Everybody agree, I uh, can we talk about the Brady
Speaker 1: thing real quick? The other Brady, the real Brady that
Speaker 1: was here tonight.
Speaker 23: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just was gonna say. I thought it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty cool. And Tom ran out
Speaker 1: with it with his jersey on and he was screaming
Speaker 1: to the side.
Speaker 3: It was good. I thought it was I thought it
Speaker 3: was well, this is isn't the big one. No, well
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't even care.
Speaker 6: I just look as a you know, and I know
Speaker 6: this is going to drive it'll be crazy because I'm
Speaker 6: supposed to be the one who hates Brady. But for
Speaker 6: me just to see him in a Patriots jersey again,
Speaker 6: run down that field, you know, to see him kind
Speaker 6: of just embrace being a Patriot again.
Speaker 1: I I thought it was really cool.
Speaker 6: I don't really care about like the speeches and all
Speaker 6: that kind of but just to have that guy back
Speaker 6: in the thing at.
Speaker 3: That moment, for me to see him in the jersey,
Speaker 3: I said, I'll be a Patriot. I loved it.
Speaker 5: It was great.
Speaker 6: I I you know, I know that we were talking
Speaker 6: about the game and that's really what's super important. But
Speaker 6: we should maybe just mention six twelve twenty four. Next year,
Speaker 6: they're going to put Brady into the into.
Speaker 3: The that'll be like a two or three hour event
Speaker 3: where it won't it won't feel it won't feel rushed,
Speaker 3: you know, it'll.
Speaker 1: Have me and Paul come out and do a little thing.
Speaker 3: All the people that were partying.
Speaker 5: Paril, Paral Parreal, they don't know have any idea who
Speaker 5: I am they would know how to spell my name.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm glad you like, by the way.
Speaker 5: I did look it up third and three from the
Speaker 5: seventeen Elliott. They'll call that you pointed out for no gain.
Speaker 5: Terrible call. Ten thirteen left in the game. Wow, not
Speaker 5: six minutes, wow, ten thirteen left. Yeah, okay, So it's intentional.
Speaker 5: It's not all you think he doesn't know, because he
Speaker 5: knows every twist of the you know, tweak of the
Speaker 5: details to make it.
Speaker 1: It's like a little bit more.
Speaker 5: Turns the fourth and two into a fourth and one
Speaker 5: in Indy. He turns the the fourth and thirteen when
Speaker 5: he passed up the Gostowski field goal in the perfect
Speaker 5: season and into something that it was a fifty No, no,
Speaker 5: it wasn't. It wasn't like it's always off by a
Speaker 5: little bit, right down to more recently, after the playoff game.
Speaker 5: You know that, you know last season, you know that
Speaker 5: was last season. Last season we weren't competitive. No, it
Speaker 5: was last night, Bill, you played the playoff game last night.
Speaker 5: Now you're already on to the next year, Like those
Speaker 5: are intentional.
Speaker 4: You brought up the Brady thing. Okay, I'm glad he
Speaker 4: ran down the field, and that got your juices. Now,
Speaker 4: I know and I and I thought Robert, I thought
Speaker 4: Robert Charlie Batch coming.
Speaker 1: Out for the Lions. I didn't know I did.
Speaker 4: That is w First of all, Eric Hipple, I prefer
Speaker 4: to Greg Danielson, Greg.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my brain was going random line Quarry, Gary Daniels, Greg,
Speaker 6: Greg Landry, Gary.
Speaker 4: And Robert Crafts speech was was good. Brady did a
Speaker 4: good job. I just thought there was gonna be a
Speaker 4: little something more than all right, the big reveal see
Speaker 4: in June.
Speaker 3: And he's putting him into the Hall of Fame without waiting.
Speaker 4: Oh no, wait, I did see that is good. I
Speaker 4: didn't think he was getting into the Patriots Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: What do you expect them to put his number up
Speaker 4: in the stadium, do something on the lighthouse.
Speaker 5: Another than I to see you next year without telling
Speaker 5: you what was happening. I tried to tell you what
Speaker 5: was happening.
Speaker 4: Which was nothing.
Speaker 3: They're gonna have a stadium wide event next year in
Speaker 3: the middle of June. Okay, but for one guy. Okay,
Speaker 3: but it's not enough.
Speaker 4: You didn't need to have the big hullaballoo and have
Speaker 4: him here for that. They just could have made that
Speaker 4: announcement on Twitter.
Speaker 3: No, I think what you wanted to do is you
Speaker 3: wanted to get him.
Speaker 4: I know what they wanted to do. What did they
Speaker 4: have to do? Did they have to have Brady here
Speaker 4: for that time?
Speaker 3: No, because I think you know, have him talk. He
Speaker 3: just retired. You wanted to get him back here as
Speaker 3: soon as possible, so you don't have everybody like, oh,
Speaker 3: what are they doing? What are they doing? So you
Speaker 3: get him down here, you know, because he just retired, he's,
Speaker 3: you know, fresh off of that, and you have a
Speaker 3: nice event at halftime, and you announced the big event,
Speaker 3: which is going to be June twelfth.
Speaker 5: In all seriousness, can I ask you a serious question here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Did you really think it was bad? Like just have
Speaker 5: like a little halftime thing like everybody else gets.
Speaker 3: Are you just I magine about Ray Sanders never had
Speaker 3: a day to be there except in Detroit.
Speaker 18: No.
Speaker 4: I just thought there would have been something, some mementos,
Speaker 4: some type of something other than an announcement.
Speaker 5: Today.
Speaker 4: All we got was an announcement, and I thought there
Speaker 4: would have been a little bit more.
Speaker 5: That's all well, And I wouldn't have brought to explain
Speaker 5: to everybody without spilling any beans.
Speaker 3: But here's the other thing, and here's the other thing,
Speaker 3: and you know it's not an excuse, like you know,
Speaker 3: they had to get a two hundred and fifty million
Speaker 3: dollar renovation done and they just got under the wire.
Speaker 5: I mean I think I just finished it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, I don't think that they wanted to like
Speaker 3: and we're doing a statue or we're doing you know,
Speaker 3: like I think they just there was a lot going on,
Speaker 3: and I think they didn't want to like short change Brady,
Speaker 3: so they wanted to make sure that they had this
Speaker 3: other day announced that is going to be all Brady.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's gonna be gonna be like Tom, it's huge,
Speaker 5: bigger than Larry by time Bluem. It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, you know, speaking of and he made
Speaker 3: an announcement and letting people know that he's going into
Speaker 3: the hall without a weight, never been done before.
Speaker 4: They gave him a tribute video and they made an announcement.
Speaker 4: I just it got a little overhyped for what it ended.
Speaker 6: Well, whose fault is that people in the radio right
Speaker 6: with your radio show? Do you talk about on your
Speaker 6: that's right, that's.
Speaker 4: Music, that's right. They didn't want us talking about.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable, like, what's you know they should
Speaker 3: do this, and that's great, but like the media, people
Speaker 3: who just had to know what was gonna happen, just
Speaker 3: wait and see and you'll find out and you'll find
Speaker 3: out nothing.
Speaker 4: They just wanted nothing happened. You're right.
Speaker 1: I thought that was great. I thought it was great.
Speaker 6: I think I bet you every fan in there is like,
Speaker 6: this is just what we needed to like kind of reset.
Speaker 3: This, all that stuff. All that stuff will be you
Speaker 3: know that you're talking about. Yea, if it happens, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll be saved for the Brady Night.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to do the top twelve a game
Speaker 1: and you want to ask some input on that one.
Speaker 4: I thought I thought tonight was a Brady Night, and
Speaker 4: it was because he was here.
Speaker 5: Nobody even hanged I told you it wasn't the Brady Night.
Speaker 4: No, there are gonna be multiple Brady Nights and we
Speaker 4: I mean, you've got thirteen minutes and they will also
Speaker 4: not want us to talk about those either. My apology,
Speaker 4: I'll apologize for the media for helping, once again to
Speaker 4: promote you anything that the Patriots get thirteen minutes, make
Speaker 4: that mistake.
Speaker 3: In thirteen minutes at halftime. I mean, you only have
Speaker 3: so much time.
Speaker 4: We don't speak about the Patriots and whatever.
Speaker 3: We're gonna like unveil all this stuff, and like we're
Speaker 3: gonna unveil all this stuff in like thirteen minutes minus
Speaker 3: the time that takes the stage out in statute, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's gonna be. That's gonna be, you know, what
Speaker 3: he deserves. No, did you talk that would be disrespect?
Speaker 3: Did you talk about that, that's how you treat lions
Speaker 3: in Detroit because you've never want a damn thing.
Speaker 4: We want a playoff game in nineteen ninety one? Did
Speaker 4: you talk about the Brady thing at all during Patriots
Speaker 4: Unfiltered this week?
Speaker 24: No?
Speaker 3: Not really, you didn't mention it. I mean we might
Speaker 3: have mentioned that it's happening.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's about what we did. Would entire segments on.
Speaker 3: Oh God, you're lying. Okay, go back and listen to
Speaker 3: the part I don't know your show, you don't you
Speaker 3: take too many breaks. But on the other shows, they
Speaker 3: they they had they had segments just people what should
Speaker 3: they do?
Speaker 5: What should they do about what they're gonna do with Brady.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of with.
Speaker 4: No, we have four hours to kill every day, not
Speaker 4: two hours with the ten minute lunch break.
Speaker 3: Oh and you kill it as you kill it, that's
Speaker 3: for sure. I asked about it's dead, and what do
Speaker 3: you think.
Speaker 4: We engage with what the people want to talk about.
Speaker 4: That's what people actually wanted to talk about.
Speaker 5: Freddy Joker and straight said, you just see that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Three twenty four.
Speaker 3: I thought Medvedev would give him a little bit of
Speaker 3: a tougher time.
Speaker 4: Did Coco drop the first set yesterday?
Speaker 3: She did badly. She badly.
Speaker 5: She looked awful in the first set, and then as
Speaker 5: bad as she played in the first set, the other
Speaker 5: one played in the next.
Speaker 4: I like her. I like watching her play.
Speaker 5: It was awesome at the end. Did you you didn't
Speaker 5: have to see the.
Speaker 1: End of that match.
Speaker 3: I didn't see anything, you know what, you know what
Speaker 3: kind of like the people are gonna be like, what
Speaker 3: are they taking this? Austin Panco, she's a little bitch
Speaker 3: and and and no, I think it's good for tennis. Tennis.
Speaker 3: Women's tennis needs a villain. I think she's she's she's.
Speaker 5: Just you know, might be a good time to break.
Speaker 3: She yells at people.
Speaker 21: I like it.
Speaker 12: I like it.
Speaker 3: I want her to go.
Speaker 5: Well, you get like off next week, you got to
Speaker 5: point out I don't know who you're talk about. You
Speaker 5: got yeah.
Speaker 11: I like she.
Speaker 3: She lost in the quarters, I believe, but I think
Speaker 3: she's just what the game needs. Like she's got that
Speaker 3: fiery personality.
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Speaker 26: Your niece's husbands to your nephew in lock?
Speaker 4: Is that a thing?
Speaker 11: Is that a thing?
Speaker 5: Actually?
Speaker 26: Google?
Speaker 4: Oh? Thanks Nancy?
Speaker 3: What would you what would you call it?
Speaker 1: If your sister wasn't officially married to the guy, that
Speaker 1: is what we'd call her?
Speaker 5: A tramp?
Speaker 2: Wow, Live from our studios inside you Lette Stadium.
Speaker 4: Here's Hardy. It's not as bad as what Fred just said.
Speaker 4: All right, back to this episode of the Patriots Postgame Show,
Speaker 4: which is presented by DraftKings. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 4: We're going to hear from the head coach here in
Speaker 4: a few minutes, as well as the quarterback. But first
Speaker 4: we'll go back to the phones and we'll talk to Dawson,
Speaker 4: who is in Pennsylvania. Dawson, you have a good list tonight.
Speaker 4: That's somebody that we missed.
Speaker 11: I think. I think on Uh.
Speaker 27: And I mentioned really had aid game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, both of those guys were mentioned. Yeah, I agree he.
Speaker 27: Gave up, you know, that little out route to Brown,
Speaker 27: but that wasn't really anything too negative. I mean Brown,
Speaker 27: he's just one of the best wide receivers I think
Speaker 27: in the league.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a good player. Absolutely.
Speaker 27: One of my bad though, I think, is mac Jones'
Speaker 27: arm strength. When you look at a lot of his passes,
Speaker 27: they were real low to the ground. He it didn't
Speaker 27: look like he had anything behind him, and it just
Speaker 27: it didn't look right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were a couple more than a couple of those,
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure it's arm strength as it is confidence,
Speaker 3: like you know, he sees it in like I do.
Speaker 3: You knows hesitation because a lot a couple of these
Speaker 3: weren't long throws, you know, they were like pretty close
Speaker 3: and when he came step in and he threw him low,
Speaker 3: and I just I think it's it's a mental thing.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a.
Speaker 5: Hard mentioned one that he got hit. Yeah, go ahead, Dawson.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
Speaker 27: Do you guys think that that first interception off of
Speaker 27: Bourne's hands played a factor into that night or do
Speaker 27: you think he was just he wasn't truly confident in
Speaker 27: the in the play scheme, and he just wasn't wasn't
Speaker 27: getting it out there to the guy's quick enough.
Speaker 4: I don't know the ball. I think the ball was wet.
Speaker 4: I think it was coming about out a little higher
Speaker 4: than he wanted it to. I think it could be
Speaker 4: too early, Yeah, because he managed to fix that.
Speaker 5: But I I just thought there were a lot of
Speaker 5: floaters in the game. I thought the Eagles got their
Speaker 5: hands on several passes before Patriots did.
Speaker 4: The first long attempt that he tried that ended up
Speaker 4: coming up just a tiny bit short. Yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 5: It was a flat drop, beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, beautiful looking ball in the air. I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 4: that's tight spiral and that's not going to have enough.
Speaker 4: It's just gonna be a little bit And Darius Slay
Speaker 4: made a nice play on it. Well.
Speaker 3: Plus yeah, is that the one that was born was
Speaker 3: wide open.
Speaker 5: Initially he was open and Slay played catch up. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but he should have caught it. And if he doesn't,
Speaker 5: mean you know, a couple of plays later they got
Speaker 5: the drive started. It's another one that's like just tight coverage.
Speaker 11: Guys.
Speaker 5: I thought there was the key play. It was that
Speaker 5: play that you're to me. The offense changed when they
Speaker 5: threw the bomb to Bourne. That was you know, this
Speaker 5: is it. Slay's got it, he's tracking it and he
Speaker 5: drops it. After that, the Patriots started getting opened on
Speaker 5: shallow crosses and I didn't I thought they were really
Speaker 5: covered well before this. I think this sort of I
Speaker 5: know that people don't want to hear it, but took
Speaker 5: the top off a little.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and watching it again, you're right, Paul Slay should
Speaker 4: have caught that. He's got two hands on. I just
Speaker 4: watching it live, I'm like, oh, he closed a lot
Speaker 4: of ground there.
Speaker 5: He did, but then he dropped it and then the
Speaker 5: Patriots ended up scoring a touchdown on that drive.
Speaker 4: Anybody gonna be disappointed if they moved the ball down
Speaker 4: field with a lot of underneath stuff and do it
Speaker 4: that way, and maybe if if we're lacking in some
Speaker 4: in some long attempts. As long as you get in
Speaker 4: the end zone and get yourself out.
Speaker 3: And okay with that, but you need to take those
Speaker 3: shots every once in a while to keep the defense honest.
Speaker 3: You do, and you might get a flag one I think.
Speaker 5: They were important, like they could have gotten a flag
Speaker 5: on this one.
Speaker 28: Now.
Speaker 5: I think it's offensive interference. But I've seen that called sure,
Speaker 5: I've seen that called defensive passing appearance. That's in the
Speaker 5: end zone, that's a free touchdown. I think those players
Speaker 5: are valuable. I agree with you.
Speaker 4: Freddy Mac in Connecticut, Mac, thanks for joining us. What
Speaker 4: do you got hey, good evening, guys, good good, thank you.
Speaker 22: Yeah, thanks for having me on. First of all, huge
Speaker 22: fan and Paul and I don't know if you guys
Speaker 22: still take lunches, but i'd love to buy lunch for
Speaker 22: you guys. Been listening for a long time.
Speaker 3: You don't need to do that, but thank you.
Speaker 5: Just do you know how to spell my name?
Speaker 7: I here?
Speaker 5: Okay, I appreciate that set that up, but Fred's right,
Speaker 5: it's completely unnecess not I need. Fred usually buys for me,
Speaker 5: so I don't.
Speaker 21: Secondly, I didn't see uh mark out there was he out.
Speaker 5: There was Yeah, he was out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, playing safety a lot.
Speaker 6: Probably, I mean he probably didn't play more than fifteen
Speaker 6: snaps maybe something that vicinity.
Speaker 3: Okay, it was there. That fact.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Matt, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: One thing that we were talking about during the week
Speaker 3: is Evan didn't want to see the mush rush. We
Speaker 3: saw a lot of mush.
Speaker 5: Rush, did we. Yeah?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to define.
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like they did a good job
Speaker 6: of kind of containing him, but even when he was
Speaker 6: able to get out, it seemed like they were able
Speaker 6: to get out too.
Speaker 5: And someone what the Eagles struggled early to protect and
Speaker 5: I thought that just kind of settled down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think second half there were a lot of
Speaker 3: three man rushes where there was no no intention of
Speaker 3: getting to her.
Speaker 5: Whatever they did today worked because I don't oh yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't think the Eagles looked dangerous offensive at any
Speaker 5: point in the game.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm saying that they did a mush
Speaker 3: rush in by design, and I think it worked a
Speaker 3: lot of times, you know, whatever they because the coverage
Speaker 3: was so damn good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's I mean It's another solid performance by
Speaker 6: the defense, and I mean, I you know, I kind
Speaker 6: of expected that. It's just it's I mean, in some
Speaker 6: ways it's the same story, you know. It's it's just
Speaker 6: this team needs to be able to get over the
Speaker 6: hump of the end against good teams.
Speaker 1: And you know, that's maybe the.
Speaker 6: Last I don't want to say it's the last bridge
Speaker 6: to cross, but it's it's one of them.
Speaker 5: It's the last bridge.
Speaker 4: Donnie and Pittsburgh. Hi, Donnie, thanks for calling into this
Speaker 4: episode of the Pulse Game Show presented by DraftKings. What
Speaker 4: do you got, Donnie?
Speaker 29: Guys, Uh, Patriots nation's probably feeling a lot better than
Speaker 29: Steeler's nation out here. My my in laws are a
Speaker 29: bit hurt today. But yeah, that was three rofit fire
Speaker 29: notes here, because I know Hardy likes a chip shaped
Speaker 29: offensive line, played above our expectations, played really well overall.
Speaker 29: You guys said that the one note here those penalties,
Speaker 29: I think knock them on a field goal range.
Speaker 11: That was a big one.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 29: On the defensive side, if you take out those points
Speaker 29: off turnovers and just look at how the defense performed
Speaker 29: in a bubble against that Billy offense. That's one of
Speaker 29: the best performances going back to Week one, twenty twenty
Speaker 29: two against that team from anyone in the NFL. So
Speaker 29: that was really impressive there. And then sort of how
Speaker 29: I look at great in the offense to use a
Speaker 29: metaphor here, I'm greating them kind of the way I
Speaker 29: would grade Brady play in this game. They played really
Speaker 29: well to the point that I was convinced they were
Speaker 29: going to win it. So I'm grading them in a
Speaker 29: disappointment just in that regard because they were one for
Speaker 29: three on drives over the fifty yard line late in
Speaker 29: the fourth quarter, but they were right there with a
Speaker 29: chance to close it out. So yeah, buy your Patriots stuck.
Speaker 4: I love the call.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love the call because I think this is
Speaker 5: gonna be a lot of talk and this is we're
Speaker 5: talking about this off here about oh the offense. You know,
Speaker 5: we get an offense you largely have the offense that
Speaker 5: couldn't finish drives like like last year. You know, we
Speaker 5: talked about the first drive of the game. They come
Speaker 5: out in did some some different things. Moved the ball,
Speaker 5: remember the first drive of the year last year, same thing,
Speaker 5: moved the ball, drove down the field through a pick
Speaker 5: in the end zone. Now, the only difference was this
Speaker 5: pick was returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 4: Right and Okay, offensively there was there was the slow start,
Speaker 4: But this time around, I felt, especially that the play
Speaker 4: calling hamstrung them as much as their actual ability did.
Speaker 4: There were times last year I'm like, man, they don't
Speaker 4: have they don't have the schemes, they don't have the personnel.
Speaker 4: They just they just don't have it. And yards that
Speaker 4: they did gain, you know, they would cut some out. Tonight,
Speaker 4: I felt like, oh, they might actually have a couple
Speaker 4: of guys out there that can make plays, and they
Speaker 4: have the requisite talent to maybe pick up this first
Speaker 4: down and extend this maybe even take the lead here.
Speaker 4: I just hated some of the play calls. Get despised it.
Speaker 3: Well, if you're if you're Bill O'Brien, how do you
Speaker 3: treat you know, Wednesday when you get when everyone comes
Speaker 3: back and.
Speaker 1: You know, hoping when you when stranger back out there?
Speaker 3: No, but like you know, what's your like? Are you
Speaker 3: ripping guys or no? Are you like, hey, you know
Speaker 3: I mean gonna get you know, I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I mean I get what Hardy is saying, and I
Speaker 1: mean I agree.
Speaker 6: There were a lot of you know, screen passes, and
Speaker 6: I'm seeing you know comments, everyone was, you know nuts
Speaker 6: with that. There's running right into the teeth of defense
Speaker 6: when you're not getting anything there.
Speaker 24: You know.
Speaker 6: But I think you highlight, like Paul said, when you
Speaker 6: made that big play downfield, things started to open up,
Speaker 6: you started to click, you started to feel, you know,
Speaker 6: some confidence. I just want to see how it looks
Speaker 6: like when you get two experienced starters, maybe back in
Speaker 6: the middle of that line, and you know, maybe that
Speaker 6: changes some of those screen passes. You know, now we
Speaker 6: have cold strange and athletic first round pick, you know,
Speaker 6: perfect scenario out in front leading the charge. You know,
Speaker 6: in all those screen passes, those kind of things are
Speaker 6: you know the reason maybe for optimism that they can execute.
Speaker 3: Surprised him when you didn't play.
Speaker 1: I'm very surprised.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I thought at least that,
Speaker 6: I mean, we thought that was advanced, that that Strange
Speaker 6: wouldn't because he's been pretty sporadic at practice.
Speaker 5: I thought I'll win you. It was the plant, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know up to week one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I positive, you know, did the weather has something?
Speaker 3: I just wonder if something happened in practice where he
Speaker 3: got a little setbacks possible.
Speaker 1: He's been on the injury report the whole time, though,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, it's hard to tell, but so hard
Speaker 5: Do you want to hear a quick line from Nick
Speaker 5: Siriani's postgame press.
Speaker 4: Cond Oh, he's not too much of a hard on
Speaker 4: the sideline?
Speaker 30: Is he.
Speaker 4: Don't at players, and we don't watch that stuff, so
Speaker 4: we can't see it. He's right there in front of us,
Speaker 4: so it's like he's kind of hard to miss.
Speaker 5: And he's like yelling at the Eagles or the Patriots,
Speaker 5: yelling at Patriots. Yes, he's Hawks doing the Bill thing.
Speaker 5: Hawks starts yelling at derecation. One of my time that
Speaker 5: I was you see the scoreboard, find me after the game.
Speaker 5: That was one of my all time favorite Bill moments.
Speaker 5: Second quarter, they got a little run heavy and gotten
Speaker 5: a rut. It was just hard.
Speaker 3: We weren't winning on first down. Dang it, car Are
Speaker 3: It's fine.
Speaker 4: I didn't keep track. I don't have the ammunition to
Speaker 4: bring to the argument. I was literally asking a question earlier.
Speaker 5: That's all.
Speaker 4: How about Spee in Fresno speed?
Speaker 5: What's up, buddy?
Speaker 26: I yeah, I feel I'm a little bit on a
Speaker 26: different pagement. But I'm oddly happy and hopeful and optimistic
Speaker 26: of this. I mean everybody seems kind of glum and pissed.
Speaker 26: I mean they they look I guess my expectations might
Speaker 26: have been miscalibrated. I mean I thought you saw from
Speaker 26: maybe for Mac, like he played like the crap and
Speaker 26: sailing balls in the first quarter and then you know,
Speaker 26: second quarter on.
Speaker 5: The fourth quarter, Yeah, he's not playing perfect, but.
Speaker 26: I thought that there was that sort of resilience that
Speaker 26: we're hoping to see from in ever since he kind
Speaker 26: of came into the league.
Speaker 4: See, but don't lump glum in with pissed. I think
Speaker 4: people are going to be more pissed than glum. I
Speaker 4: think they're pissed at the way the game ended. I
Speaker 4: think they're pissed at at the slow start. But I
Speaker 4: don't think people are depressed about this. I think the
Speaker 4: Patriots gave you plenty of reasons tonight to show you
Speaker 4: that this season will be different.
Speaker 3: Like you could have gone out of this game with
Speaker 3: like dread. Oh god, We've got sixteen more of these.
Speaker 3: But I'm excited to play next week. I want to
Speaker 3: see where do we go from here? You know, That's
Speaker 3: what I come out of this game with.
Speaker 11: You know, now, it's good, except.
Speaker 26: The one thing that just like stands out, and it's
Speaker 26: kind of the continuation of everything that I've I've been
Speaker 26: kind of pessimistic about. Is Mac the guy sort of
Speaker 26: stuff Like, I just think his accuracy, in his velocity
Speaker 26: in certain kind of critical pivotal moments are always going
Speaker 26: to be just not there, and that's.
Speaker 22: Just going to be.
Speaker 26: I don't want to be pessimistic after what I thought
Speaker 26: was something that kind of verified that maybe he has
Speaker 26: some gumption in there to pull it out. I know,
Speaker 26: like Mike said, it didn't actually happen, but I don't know.
Speaker 26: I thought it was more than to be. Maybe I
Speaker 26: just had bad expects.
Speaker 3: But like the touchdown to Bourne in the back of
Speaker 3: the end that he zipped that in, that one had
Speaker 3: some heating, you know, and it's like the less he
Speaker 3: has to think the perfect.
Speaker 5: Not he can't do it Anti on the back foot.
Speaker 6: Bang, he's fine running turning, trying to get back across
Speaker 6: his body.
Speaker 5: And outside the numbers is an issue. I don't think
Speaker 5: he completed a pass outside the numbers in the game.
Speaker 1: Thanks speaking, except for the one that almost.
Speaker 3: You can tell that you're the past. The booty should
Speaker 3: have been a catch. It was a perfect pass, okay,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't. I know, but that's a rookie who
Speaker 3: does didn't have control of his feet yet, but that
Speaker 3: was a perfect pass. Good speed you get behind him.
Speaker 4: You can tell is a real part of the show
Speaker 4: because we all just talk over all these all these bumps. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I thought it was.
Speaker 5: An okay performance from act today.
Speaker 11: I do.
Speaker 5: I don't think he was the reason why they lost.
Speaker 3: I can't. I wouldn't be minus.
Speaker 5: I think he was okay today, And I think Mike
Speaker 5: said it perfectly when he when you talked about Mac
Speaker 5: at the start of the show, Freddy before you joined us,
Speaker 5: really tough circumstances to sort of rebound from, and he
Speaker 5: showed a lot of toughness, both physical and mental in
Speaker 5: doing so. And I thought he was a part of that.
Speaker 5: I just thought there were a lot of loose throws
Speaker 5: today that he got away with. Again, I don't think
Speaker 5: you could throw the ball like that on a consistent
Speaker 5: basis and live to tell about it. All right.
Speaker 4: I want to get to Sam and Halifax in the UK, Sam,
Speaker 4: thanks for calling in when you got Sam, Hey.
Speaker 31: How's going guys?
Speaker 11: Good?
Speaker 31: Sorry cause directional confusion earlier. I just want to say,
Speaker 31: you know, I think Mac, you know, did all right,
Speaker 31: but I I did to agree that he didn't hit
Speaker 31: the guys he should have. But at the same time,
Speaker 31: looking at you know, Jalen aj Brown and DeVante Smith
Speaker 31: and then Mac trying to hit Keisham Buzzi on the
Speaker 31: sidelines and you know, Hunter Henry, is is there a
Speaker 31: middle gred where Mac can try and make throws on
Speaker 31: the sidelines to guys who can kind of compete in
Speaker 31: the league.
Speaker 3: So are you saying that if they had a little
Speaker 3: better quality receivers there you go?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's it's the first postgame show.
Speaker 4: It's definitely.
Speaker 31: But is there is there a league where the Patriots
Speaker 31: are functional offense because their guys can make the plays
Speaker 31: and get the feed in where Mac and hit hit
Speaker 31: the routes at the right time.
Speaker 4: No, I think you know what, I I don't think
Speaker 4: that's Mac's scapegoat talk there, Sam, I think it's a
Speaker 4: perfectly valid question. I mean, do the Patriots magically uh
Speaker 4: acquire a true number one receiver in the last week
Speaker 4: or two or is it the same thing that we've
Speaker 4: been talking about all off season. Is there a true,
Speaker 4: dedicated number one that other teams have to plan for
Speaker 4: every single snap?
Speaker 5: That's true, they don't. They do not have a game
Speaker 5: breaking receiver. They don't have I would agree with that nothing.
Speaker 5: And it's okay to want one another underrated play call
Speaker 5: the last drive, third and thirteen they get sacked. The
Speaker 5: one time they got sacked, set up a third and thirteen.
Speaker 5: What was the call screen? Yeah, two yards for Stevenson
Speaker 5: to set up fourth and eleven. I just I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just so many screens today. One worked. I mean
Speaker 5: they must have called ten screens.
Speaker 1: I mean, you understand work, the theory behind why they
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 6: You got an aggressive front trying to get them, you know,
Speaker 6: to to not have to worry about your blockers trying
Speaker 6: to hold up. You're just trying to say, all right,
Speaker 6: hold them for a second, let them get by, and
Speaker 6: then you know, get out. I get that just mentioned
Speaker 6: one thing, and there it is. Yeah, highlights, It's amazing already.
Speaker 6: You don't pay those guys enough. John in New Hampshire
Speaker 6: emailed in.
Speaker 4: He said, I really don't get the fourth down tries
Speaker 4: when the score was twenty two to fourteen. I'm with
Speaker 4: you on that, and I can't wait to hear Bill
Speaker 4: Belichick if he does, in fact say there was six
Speaker 4: minutes left, because as Bill or is, Paul already checked,
Speaker 4: and I went back and checked to myself fourth and eight,
Speaker 4: eleven thirty one on the clock, fourth and three. I
Speaker 4: just had it here in front of me.
Speaker 32: What was it?
Speaker 4: Ten?
Speaker 5: There was ten? There was ten thirteen left on the
Speaker 5: third town play. By the time they snapped it on
Speaker 5: fourth down, it was just under ten.
Speaker 4: Right, right, So I looked that up earlier. Okay, let's
Speaker 4: see what the head coach has to say about it.
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Speaker 18: Here's the head coach, go back to work here, try
Speaker 18: to correct some of the things that we obviously need
Speaker 18: to do better, and.
Speaker 11: Just move on from there.
Speaker 7: Questions.
Speaker 28: We'll pass a mic to you, Hi, Bell, Can you
Speaker 28: just speak to how you thought Christian Gonzalez did in
Speaker 28: his debut tonight.
Speaker 18: Yeah, we'll take a load of the film on it, buddy,
Speaker 18: And I'm sure everybody had some good plays and had
Speaker 18: some plays they'd like to have back. That was probably
Speaker 18: the same for every player and coach participate.
Speaker 7: In the game.
Speaker 24: Bill, I believe a career high pass attempts for Mac
Speaker 24: Jones tonight. What did his per foremance and the success
Speaker 24: of the passing game show you in terms of confidence
Speaker 24: in his ability to with the offense and be someone
Speaker 24: who can carry the offense in the passing game.
Speaker 18: Yeah, we have confidence in all our players and confidence
Speaker 18: that everything we do with the running game, passing game,
Speaker 18: special teams, defense, we have confidence.
Speaker 29: In all of them.
Speaker 14: Bill, early fourth quarter, fourth and three from the seventeen,
Speaker 14: you have to go for it instead of kicking the
Speaker 14: field goal.
Speaker 16: What went into that decision?
Speaker 7: It was the best decision for the team.
Speaker 14: In hindsight, do you wish you had kick more field
Speaker 14: goals in this one?
Speaker 18: Made the best decision we could at didn't know we'd
Speaker 18: be down there, you know, multiple times six minutes to
Speaker 18: go in the game. I don't know, Big kicked them
Speaker 18: street asking them not.
Speaker 20: Going to go for it.
Speaker 32: Bill, you guys dug yourself a hole tonight, but then
Speaker 32: you were able to get out of it pretty much
Speaker 32: and and your team came back. What did you learn
Speaker 32: about your team and their ability to try to come
Speaker 32: back tonight? Obviously falling a little bit short.
Speaker 18: That we didn't play good enough to win. Yeah, did
Speaker 18: enough things to make a competitive but not enough to win.
Speaker 7: Got to coach better. You gotta play better.
Speaker 30: Coach down two starting offensive linemen, one of the best
Speaker 30: pass rushes in the NFL, and Mac did not get
Speaker 30: sacked until the final three minutes of the game. How
Speaker 30: do you evaluate how the offensive line played overall today?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 18: Again, at think overall, we were, you know, played competitively.
Speaker 18: We had some good plays and then we had a
Speaker 18: couple of plays that you know could have been better, obviously,
Speaker 18: so a couple holding penalties. You know, we had some
Speaker 18: key penalties and obviously and overs and so just just
Speaker 18: need to do.
Speaker 7: A better job.
Speaker 14: But what's but what's your upshot on offensive execution in
Speaker 14: the game?
Speaker 3: And would you not like it?
Speaker 7: But what you saw and what sorry.
Speaker 16: Offensive execution in the game upshot on on what you saw,
Speaker 16: and it's a lot.
Speaker 7: Of things we need to work on. Do better, be
Speaker 7: more consistent.
Speaker 16: Seemed like offensively placed in the second quarter.
Speaker 6: What did you see that allowed the offense to have
Speaker 6: more success in that second quarter?
Speaker 7: Better execution, better timing?
Speaker 33: Well the hit that Jabrol Peppers landed to get you
Speaker 33: guys the ball back at the end of the game,
Speaker 33: what did you think of that play?
Speaker 18: Great contact play pep sent explosive player. You know, it's
Speaker 18: a great hit, ball popped right out. Really it this
Speaker 18: great tackle. I thought we for the most part tackled
Speaker 18: pretty well tonight. But I mean always roun for improvement.
Speaker 3: Bill.
Speaker 24: It seemed early on pretty conservative offensive approach. Also in
Speaker 24: time with the weather being harshest, did the rain and
Speaker 24: the conditions affect the way the offense was called early on?
Speaker 24: Appear to push the ball more downf.
Speaker 18: I mean, ay, right, we didn'tlaunched a lot of deep balls,
Speaker 18: but there weren't a lot of those anyway.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean it's a little bit of a
Speaker 7: factor in early in the game.
Speaker 15: Yeah, Kendrick Bourne seemed almost to be a lifeline for
Speaker 15: Mac tonight. Two huge touchdowns. Is bringing him back into
Speaker 15: the fold more and more something that you're looking to
Speaker 15: do this season.
Speaker 18: I thought all of our skill players are productive, so
Speaker 18: I thought they all are, all the receivers, the tight ends,
Speaker 18: facts so tie. So I mean a good production from
Speaker 18: all those guys.
Speaker 16: Bill, what did you see from Christian Gonzales tonight?
Speaker 7: We thought that was asked earlier.
Speaker 16: My apologies, no worries.
Speaker 34: Bill Hurts averaged about five point two yards per a time,
Speaker 34: struggled to run the ball as well. Just the overall
Speaker 34: job that you did on him. I know, gave up
Speaker 34: essentially a score because the offense and another one after
Speaker 34: the turnover. So you had to be pretty pleased with
Speaker 34: that group.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we were. It was competitive.
Speaker 18: You know, some things we could have done better and
Speaker 18: you know, but yeah, I've got a touchdown on a
Speaker 18: short field and.
Speaker 16: Bill on offensive fourth downs. Did you did you have
Speaker 16: a question about that one?
Speaker 26: No?
Speaker 16: Okay, So we hit some, we didn't hit some. So
Speaker 16: you guys were one of four. So I just wonder
Speaker 16: I felt like you were facing a long, long situations
Speaker 16: and how did you guys, how did you guys feel
Speaker 16: like you executed in those.
Speaker 7: Go four on fourth down, you need need your best execution.
Speaker 10: So hey, Bill, I know you rotated the receivers throughout
Speaker 10: the game, and all those rotations are made in the
Speaker 10: best interest to the team. Specific to the last drive
Speaker 10: Kai Shan and to Mario playing over Juju, what was
Speaker 10: it thinking behind that move?
Speaker 18: Yeah, again, we had different groups, different rotations, so we're
Speaker 18: good with whoever's in there.
Speaker 4: All right, thanks, All right, there's the head coach wrapping
Speaker 4: things up there. In his post game press conference, two
Speaker 4: Gonzales questions tonight, which, by the way, for as good
Speaker 4: as he played, I I think you have to think
Speaker 4: about the expectations. What were your expectations for Gonzales just
Speaker 4: you personally do to.
Speaker 1: Play every snap and hopefully not get toasted too bad.
Speaker 4: I mean that was Did he play better than that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got a couple of plays.
Speaker 5: Think he exceeded my expect Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's it, and that's fine. I mean, that's that's good.
Speaker 6: I gotta I gotta key on. White's the one that
Speaker 6: I kind of want to look again at. How much
Speaker 6: did he really play? But I mean there were a
Speaker 6: couple of times where I felt like he was he
Speaker 6: was coming hard off the corner and you know, just
Speaker 6: I think he gave Lan Johnson some trible too. So
Speaker 6: I don't know, not one that I'm willing to like
Speaker 6: trumpet right now, but but somebody would like to look.
Speaker 3: At People were saying, oh, he's really playing well like.
Speaker 6: Pass rutches. But I don't know if that's enough to like,
Speaker 6: you know, sound start the parade yet. But but but
Speaker 6: I mean, he popped a couple times and it didn't
Speaker 6: make a lot of impact.
Speaker 4: Though Adam and Dublin emailing said defense is close to elite,
Speaker 4: confirming something that we knew.
Speaker 1: Would you say that, sure, I mean, ish, I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're not elite yet, but but they're good defense there
Speaker 3: and if they keep getting better they will be. They
Speaker 3: played well today relatively speaking for twenty twenty three NFL.
Speaker 6: Based on how they've gotten pantsed by mobile quarterbacks in
Speaker 6: the past, I would say this is an encouraging performance
Speaker 6: against you know, a good offense. It still wasn't enough,
Speaker 6: as Bill Kinna said, but I think there's a lot
Speaker 6: to you know, feel like, all right, maybe these guys
Speaker 6: can be better than the group was last year that
Speaker 6: couldn't quite get over that hume.
Speaker 5: And it is funny, like they forced the fumble there
Speaker 5: at the end. But I and that's great obviously, but
Speaker 5: I would like to have seen what you're talking about.
Speaker 5: Could they have come up with a stop there? Mm hmm, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, you know the other one. Like I
Speaker 5: think you made the point Fred about the conservative play calling.
Speaker 5: You know they I don't think Hurts had to play
Speaker 5: under center all game until first and second down on
Speaker 5: their last drive from midfield, and they just had straight handoffs.
Speaker 5: I thought that was uninspired, especially for a team that
Speaker 5: was thinking about going for it on fourth and two,
Speaker 5: which I thought was insane. By the way, we've spent
Speaker 5: a lot of time wondering about why not kicking field goals?
Speaker 5: How do you not punt on fourth and it was
Speaker 5: a long two? Just pin it down even if you
Speaker 5: got a touchback twenty yards?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, dumb.
Speaker 4: Nathan and Monterey Mexico said, Am I wrong to feel
Speaker 4: this Pads team is different now? He says a bunch
Speaker 4: of stuff, But he said they scored and came up short,
Speaker 4: came up just short twice in the red zone? So
Speaker 4: am I wrong to think this Pads team is different?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 4: When you bring that up. I'm more inclined to think, no,
Speaker 4: that some of these problems from last year still exist.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: Like I focus in.
Speaker 5: I think we are content to say, oh, it looked
Speaker 5: so different today. The first drive they went right down
Speaker 5: the field last year against Miami. It was a great drive.
Speaker 5: It was one of the best drives of the first
Speaker 5: half of the season, but it ultimately ended on a
Speaker 5: Xavi and Howard pick in the end zone. The first
Speaker 5: Dravet looked really nice today. It ultimately ended on a
Speaker 5: bad throw deflection picked six, Like you get down in
Speaker 5: the red zone. I was like all ready to talk
Speaker 5: about the red zone improvements because they were two for
Speaker 5: two in the first half, you know, and then they
Speaker 5: had a couple of opportunities, you know, when the game
Speaker 5: is on the line and you can't get it done.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Night steps.
Speaker 4: George and Virginia said, same old story. You're scoring more
Speaker 4: than twenty one points and you beat the Pats.
Speaker 5: I mean, I twenty five is the number.
Speaker 1: Field goal.
Speaker 5: Twenty five is the number. I mean, it is what
Speaker 5: it is. They've never won a game with mac Jones
Speaker 5: when the other team scores twenty five or more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the number.
Speaker 5: And I really thought today I thought today was I'm
Speaker 5: telling you.
Speaker 3: I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna win.
Speaker 5: It just felt like I thought I had a lot
Speaker 5: of faith that they were going to win the game
Speaker 5: at the end, especially when when Papers forces.
Speaker 1: The fumble, right, I sure did.
Speaker 4: Talent level separation and readiness preparation made Belichick look bad.
Speaker 4: What good is having the greatest coach of all time
Speaker 4: if his current teams are poorly coached and prepared. That
Speaker 4: is from Johnny and Wisconsin. I don't think anybody had
Speaker 4: Belichick on the good list tonight.
Speaker 5: But I I've been very critical, but you know, I
Speaker 5: have to give him some credit for the defensive game plan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say that the team didn't look ill prepared.
Speaker 4: It was really more about the play calling.
Speaker 5: I thought there was some some play calls offensively, and
Speaker 5: that's Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 4: But I have the decision to go for it on
Speaker 4: the fourth round. The decisions on kicking kicking, and that's
Speaker 4: Bill's check. But what about the decisions that they made defensively?
Speaker 4: They obviously did something. They only gave up two hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty yards.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of defenses have done that to that offense.
Speaker 5: I mean, since he had that in the first quarter
Speaker 5: of the game last year, that was a good defensive
Speaker 5: performance pretty much start to finish.
Speaker 4: Before we hear from Mac Jones, Let's talk to Josh
Speaker 4: in Arizona on this episode of the Patriots Post game Show,
Speaker 4: which is presented by DraftKings. Josh, what's going on, gentlemen? Good?
Speaker 1: Hey, Josh.
Speaker 11: I'm looking at I'm just taking a second here and
Speaker 11: looking at the box scores, and I'm hearing so many
Speaker 11: negative comments that it kind of blows me away. I'm
Speaker 11: looking at three hundred and eighty two yards for the
Speaker 11: Patriots versus two fifty one for the defending NFC champion Eagles.
Speaker 11: I'm seeing three oh six for passing yards, and I'm
Speaker 11: hearing everyone bag on Mac Jones, who is dealing with
Speaker 11: arguably the worst wide receiving corps in the league.
Speaker 5: Who's backing on Mac Jones?
Speaker 11: It sounded like just about everyone.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first half, he didn't play that well,
Speaker 3: Mike picked it.
Speaker 11: Up first good, maybe the first quarter, but I've heard
Speaker 11: more negative than positive. And he's playing against the defending
Speaker 11: NFC champions, a team that led to almost I think
Speaker 11: got close to setting the NFL record for Sackbut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that there's some people that were on him,
Speaker 3: but I think most people were were by the way
Speaker 3: he bounced back.
Speaker 11: At this point, generally speaking, are suffering from Tom Brady and.
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody's bagging on Mac Jones today. But
Speaker 5: I also don't think it was a great performance, if
Speaker 5: that makes any sense. Yeah, I don't think Max why
Speaker 5: you lost today. He said that about an hour ago.
Speaker 5: But he also is the reason why you didn't win,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense. He had opportunities with the ball
Speaker 5: inside the twenty yard line and couldn't get it in.
Speaker 11: I haven't heard anyone mention twelve personnel?
Speaker 5: What about it?
Speaker 11: It wasn't used almost at all.
Speaker 5: Okay? Did you think that they played well today or not?
Speaker 11: You went out and you get Kisaki. You don't go
Speaker 11: get him to back up Hunter Henry. You go out
Speaker 11: and you get him to play twelve?
Speaker 3: Well, okay, okay?
Speaker 5: So what did you think of Max performance today?
Speaker 11: I think Mac Mac did a great job all things considered.
Speaker 5: Okay, So why are we complaining about the personnel? Then?
Speaker 5: If Mac played really well with what they did, what
Speaker 5: did that not work, no no, No.
Speaker 11: Twelve personnel would have put him in a better position
Speaker 11: to be able to be handing the ball off more
Speaker 11: and get more production out of.
Speaker 5: The run game. Oh so, in other words, we wanted
Speaker 5: to decrease match role in the game. Okay, like that
Speaker 5: one was all.
Speaker 3: Over that well, they brought in extra lineman a couple
Speaker 3: of times. I mean, yeah, I listen, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 3: with It wasn't a bad game by Mac. And like
Speaker 3: I said, I'm excited to see next week.
Speaker 6: I feel better about Max Jones right now than I
Speaker 6: did after this whole summer. Now, I'm not saying that
Speaker 6: I'm saying he's a top three quarterback and leaving the Superstar,
Speaker 6: but based on what we've seen over the last couple
Speaker 6: of years with him and over the summer, like I
Speaker 6: feel pretty I feel pretty good about him.
Speaker 1: I think he can beat the Dolphins next week.
Speaker 5: Put it that way.
Speaker 4: And before we start pumping up Mac too much for
Speaker 4: the three hundred and sixteen yards he threw the ball
Speaker 4: fifty four times tonight, I mean, you can't just discount
Speaker 4: how he played in the first.
Speaker 5: Four can't discount how many passes hit eagles, right, He
Speaker 5: only had one pick, and ironically that one hit a
Speaker 5: Patriot first.
Speaker 4: Right, Oh, cousin, Patt, you an aguon what's going on? Pat?
Speaker 11: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Gay? Hey Patty?
Speaker 22: Hey Paul, I'm one.
Speaker 11: You're one of your first points. I'm one with you.
Speaker 35: Like I I wrote in the whack packed group text
Speaker 35: that uh, he looked pretty good, actually good after a
Speaker 35: shaky start. The online did pretty damn good in pass
Speaker 35: pro terrible, terrible situational football and bad untimely penalty and
Speaker 35: ready I'm with you. I mean, these next two games
Speaker 35: are Hugel. I would have liked to have seen him
Speaker 35: pull off the game. But I mean, if we're if
Speaker 35: we're going to go anywhere, we got to make pay
Speaker 35: in the division. We got to beat the Jets, and
Speaker 35: we gotta beat the Dolphins the next week. And that's
Speaker 35: all I gotta say.
Speaker 1: Get Yeah, okay, thanks Pat, that's it man. The next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I mean this, these are too serious
Speaker 1: for this team.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Dolphins weren't going up and down.
Speaker 5: What's Week three?
Speaker 4: The Jets, Jets, Dallas then Dallas, I know, Dallas, Dallas, Jets.
Speaker 5: I just didn't know what to order.
Speaker 1: And in Dallas NFC. I mean it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, if you don't win these two
Speaker 1: games and you're you're really behind the eight ball.
Speaker 4: I want to hear from the quarterback. I want to
Speaker 4: hear what Mac Jones had to say post game. Sure
Speaker 4: after the twenty five to twenty loss to the Eagles tonight,
Speaker 4: the regular season opener at ju LT Stadium. Here is
Speaker 4: your quarterback, Hi.
Speaker 8: Mac, what do you think over here? Chelsea McDonald was
Speaker 8: Seven News. What do you think contributed to the slow
Speaker 8: start to this game? And how proud are you of
Speaker 8: the way that you guys responded despite that slow start?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think just working through some things. Really didn't
Speaker 12: throw any good passes on the first drive, So definitely
Speaker 12: a slow start and starts with me. I just got
Speaker 12: to watch the tape and clean it up, but definitely
Speaker 12: felt like we fought hard. The rookies played really well,
Speaker 12: the offensive line played really well, the skilled players played
Speaker 12: really well. So definitely let the team down to the night.
Speaker 12: Couldn't couldn't score, you know, early, and we just fell
Speaker 12: behind because of me and I put it on myself,
Speaker 12: Hi Mac.
Speaker 36: The defense got to the ball a couple of times
Speaker 36: late in the game with the possibility of, you know,
Speaker 36: getting the ball in to go ahead. How would you
Speaker 36: sum up those two drives that you just weren't able to.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's not very Yeah, not good by me. I
Speaker 12: mean they gave me the ball twice to win the
Speaker 12: game and I couldn't do it. So I just got
Speaker 12: to go back and watch and see what I can
Speaker 12: do better. But as a quarterback, that hurts, right, you
Speaker 12: get a chance to win the game twice and can't
Speaker 12: do it, So just got to learn from it. You
Speaker 12: only get so many opportunities in the NFL to do that.
Speaker 12: And felt like I definitely let the team down.
Speaker 30: Hey mac To, you're right, starting the offensive line played
Speaker 30: down two starters. How do you says how the protection
Speaker 30: was and how those guys executed overall today?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Great.
Speaker 12: I think starting two rookies on the offensive line is tough,
Speaker 12: and they played really, really good all night. Didn't really
Speaker 12: feel the pressure at all against the best events line
Speaker 12: in the NFL. So I felt like they did an
Speaker 12: amazing job. Couldn't thank them enough for the job they
Speaker 12: did tonight, and just got to grow and continue on
Speaker 12: and those would be some of the best guys they'll
Speaker 12: go against all year, but in the NFL, everyone's good, right,
Speaker 12: so they know that they're working hard everybody. You know,
Speaker 12: David's doing a great job leading in Trent and some
Speaker 12: of the older guys. So been really proud of those guys,
Speaker 12: and definitely felt like I let them down a little
Speaker 12: bit there at the end. Didn't play my best game,
Speaker 12: So I definitely just got to keep working.
Speaker 30: But then also to be in that two score hole,
Speaker 30: what do you What did it say to you about
Speaker 30: the team? The way you guys responded as a whole.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I loved that.
Speaker 7: I think you know they kept fighting.
Speaker 12: Just play play by play, Uh, don't only the scoreboard,
Speaker 12: and Coach Belichick did a great job explaining that to us,
Speaker 12: just play each play for what it is. And definitely
Speaker 12: had too many bad plays versus good plays for me,
Speaker 12: and I just got to watch it and see how
Speaker 12: I can do better. But everybody around me played a
Speaker 12: great game and just got to be better.
Speaker 7: Mac.
Speaker 32: We speak a lot about leadership. You yourself are hard
Speaker 32: on yourself. You just talked about it, and you could
Speaker 32: have come back in that fourth quarter, but down sixteen
Speaker 32: to nothing, that was the time that looked like any
Speaker 32: team could fold. Your team did not. What does it
Speaker 32: say about you and your growth here in this third
Speaker 32: year and being able to lead your team back in
Speaker 32: that way.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think the defense obviously played great and special
Speaker 12: teams had some good returns and stuff. So honestly, you
Speaker 12: just have to watch it and see what I can
Speaker 12: do better. From a schematic standpoint, I felt like in
Speaker 12: the most critical times I played my worst, So just
Speaker 12: got to go back and look and see what I
Speaker 12: can do better. It's all you can do is learn.
Speaker 12: That's what you do as a good quarterback. You go
Speaker 12: back and learn, and when it's the hardest, that's when
Speaker 12: you need to play your best.
Speaker 7: So I definitely can do it.
Speaker 12: I know I can do it. I've done it before.
Speaker 12: Just got to be better and definitely came back and
Speaker 12: had a chance to win the game a few times.
Speaker 12: So just felt like I let the defense down and
Speaker 12: I'll have to live with that.
Speaker 37: Mac the offense to start, and then you had that
Speaker 37: run there, the touchdown drives in the second quarter. It
Speaker 37: added more of a vertical element to the to the
Speaker 37: offense at that point. What really settled you guys in
Speaker 37: and made you comfortable at that point, Yeah.
Speaker 12: I think coach O'Brien just doing his thing, calling the
Speaker 12: game how he knows how to call it. He did
Speaker 12: a great job preparing us all week. We knew what
Speaker 12: we were getting. It was just, you know, slow start
Speaker 12: kind of first game, but definitely wanted to have a
Speaker 12: better start and felt we did some good things but
Speaker 12: it wasn't consistent enough. But definitely just him just keeping calm,
Speaker 12: just talking through with the offensive line and us and
Speaker 12: the quarterbacks and everybody felt like we had a good plan.
Speaker 12: Kind of like it declared the game declared, we knew
Speaker 12: what they were kind of doing, so come up with
Speaker 12: some plays that we liked and just need to execute
Speaker 12: a little better in those critical points.
Speaker 16: Matt, you're being hard on yourself. A question though, in
Speaker 16: terms of things that you don't like what you did.
Speaker 32: Yeah, was it a decision making standpoint that you didn't
Speaker 32: like or just physical ability something you didn't do physically
Speaker 32: in terms of not making the play.
Speaker 12: I have to go look, I felt like there was
Speaker 12: definitely a couple of times when I probably didn't throw
Speaker 12: it to the right guy. Just have to watch the film.
Speaker 12: You know, sometimes when you're out there it's going fast,
Speaker 12: just trying to stay neutral and don't go up and down,
Speaker 12: which I try not to do tonight. But yeah, I
Speaker 12: just got to watch it from a schematic standpoint. But
Speaker 12: I do think I have the ability to make all
Speaker 12: the throws. It's not that, it's just doing it at
Speaker 12: the right time, and like you said, just trying to
Speaker 12: watch the film and make it work.
Speaker 24: Hey, Mac, how would you describe your relationship your chemistry?
Speaker 24: Are confident in Kendrick obviously big target tonight. I had
Speaker 24: the misque early on where it seemed like the past
Speaker 24: went off his hands, but no hesitation to keep going
Speaker 24: back to him. How confident are you and Kendrick to
Speaker 24: bounce back from that sort of stuff and when the
Speaker 24: game is in an important situation that he's gonna make
Speaker 24: the play.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean Kb's one of my closest friends, and
Speaker 12: I know that he's gonna run as hard as he
Speaker 12: can on every play and fight for the ball. And
Speaker 12: our receivers have been doing that very well. That one
Speaker 12: I threw too high in the rain, it's gonna that's
Speaker 12: gonna happen. It's a bad throw, but yeah, he kept fighting,
Speaker 12: and I know that about KB. We've kind of been
Speaker 12: in these situations far too often or behind, and I
Speaker 12: know that's my go to guy, and and the other
Speaker 12: guys too, they're they're all open at some point in
Speaker 12: the game and we just have to hit him and
Speaker 12: sometimes we did and the line gave us great time
Speaker 12: all night, so that was never an issue.
Speaker 33: Mac What was your reaction to watching Jabrill lay that
Speaker 33: head on Jalen and and getting the ball back for
Speaker 33: you guys another chance to go to go.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that was a great play. Pep, he's the man.
Speaker 12: He told me to go win it and we couldn't
Speaker 12: do it, so that hurts me. But they gave me
Speaker 12: the ball back to win it multiple times. And Pep
Speaker 12: always brings that energy to practice and it feeds feeds
Speaker 12: through the team and he's gonna continue to make those plays.
Speaker 12: And we talked in the locker room and I feel
Speaker 12: like we're on the same page. Just got to do
Speaker 12: better on my part. You know, when the defense holds
Speaker 12: the best offense, you know that few points and gets
Speaker 12: the ball back.
Speaker 14: Just got to be better, Macfield saying, like in the NFL,
Speaker 14: you have to learn how not to lose. You guys
Speaker 14: played well on offense a but there were just a
Speaker 14: couple of mistakes kind of sprinkled throughout the game. Is
Speaker 14: it getting frustrated kind of learning these lessons and losses?
Speaker 12: I guess not really, I think. I mean it's hard, right,
Speaker 12: you're trying to win every game, but you have to learn.
Speaker 12: If you don't learn, you'll never never end up winning.
Speaker 12: So I do think that losing is not fun, never
Speaker 12: has been, never will be. But just trying to move forward.
Speaker 12: And you know, if we scored a few more points
Speaker 12: on offense and I'd be a different story. So we're
Speaker 12: not far off. It's just trying to just you know,
Speaker 12: do better.
Speaker 30: Mac.
Speaker 33: It seems like the offense started gaining momentum when you
Speaker 33: were using a bunch of stack formations to create some miscommunication.
Speaker 3: Why was that something you thought would be an advantage
Speaker 3: heading into this matchup.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 12: Really with the defense and all the coverages that they play,
Speaker 12: felt like we needed to do that and spread out
Speaker 12: the formations and also bring them in tight. So I'm
Speaker 12: not really picky about it. I just want, you know,
Speaker 12: the play to come in fast, which it did, and
Speaker 12: then get up there and execute. So I felt like
Speaker 12: our tempo was good when we use the tempo plays.
Speaker 12: You got to make make the tempo plays work or
Speaker 12: else there's no point in running the tempo plays. So
Speaker 12: we have a few out of bunch with if you
Speaker 12: out of stacks and stuff like that. But yeah, that's
Speaker 12: a really good question.
Speaker 28: Hi, Mac, what just can you speak to what you've
Speaker 28: seen from Henter Henry and what your relationship is like
Speaker 28: with him.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Hunter's awesome, him, Mike, Pharaoh, everybody, Matt Sokle, they
Speaker 12: have a great room over there. I'm really really proud
Speaker 12: of those guys in the way they had a good
Speaker 12: camp and carried it over to the game. But yeah,
Speaker 12: he's definitely great teammate, just always positive and I'm just
Speaker 12: disappointed that I let him down. Couldn't We couldn't score
Speaker 12: there at the end. But yeah, we're gonna keep working.
Speaker 12: Hunters real positive, Mike's real positive. They played a lot
Speaker 12: of football in this league and I can definitely lean
Speaker 12: on them as some of the veteran leaders.
Speaker 11: Cool.
Speaker 4: Thanks, there you go. There is your quarterback Mac Jones tonight.
Speaker 4: You know, we didn't really mention the no huddle that
Speaker 4: they were running toward the end of the game, but
Speaker 4: that that's something else that we didn't see a whole
Speaker 4: lot last year, and you got to execute it on
Speaker 4: the plays. But they didn't. It didn't look like a
Speaker 4: fire drill.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 4: They they look like they were you know, executing at
Speaker 4: times and.
Speaker 5: About what that's the beginning Excuse me?
Speaker 4: When they were going, oh yeah, find it seemed.
Speaker 6: Like they might have want to go to a little more,
Speaker 6: that they could have gotten some plays together, you know,
Speaker 6: like I think Paul's thing where they were struggling on
Speaker 6: first down, seemed like a couple of times they did
Speaker 6: have success on first down, they.
Speaker 1: Kind of went right into that no huddle, try to
Speaker 1: try to hurry the pace up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, is that an expensive shirt?
Speaker 4: It was a gift from the from the people at
Speaker 4: Willow Bend Country.
Speaker 3: Killing a lot of free stuff, don't you.
Speaker 4: I was down there hosting a little chin wag with
Speaker 4: the members and Darren Clark Champion.
Speaker 3: Show that you do in the morning is really paying
Speaker 3: off for you, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well it's done now for the season. You want to
Speaker 4: know why my Sundays are yours?
Speaker 5: Boss?
Speaker 3: I know? So you're able to give away callaway irons
Speaker 3: just willy nilly, just from here have them.
Speaker 1: You just sat in Paul's trunk for like three weeks,
Speaker 1: like a dead body.
Speaker 3: And I asked him, I said, what kind of clubs?
Speaker 3: Did he? I don't know. So someone gives you clubs
Speaker 3: and you don't even look at what they are.
Speaker 4: Well, I ended up getting p xgs this year. I
Speaker 4: don't those.
Speaker 5: Do you remember when you gave me the clubs? It
Speaker 5: was after right, and we just put on my trunk
Speaker 5: and I didn't like, really look at them, and I
Speaker 5: didn't like I hadn't really noticed, and then I kind
Speaker 5: of forgot about it.
Speaker 3: We go home and wow, these are cool.
Speaker 5: Fred, you know, sort of ripped me on the radio,
Speaker 5: went for a new one, went to box for four minutes,
Speaker 5: felt shame.
Speaker 4: Everything was fine.
Speaker 5: I hit those irons reasonably well yesterday, not as well
Speaker 5: as I did last week. I choked with Hardy with
Speaker 5: me at the tournament that we played together, and yesterday,
Speaker 5: well we played seven under. There were seven not if
Speaker 5: I was there the whole time, he might have been
Speaker 5: ten under.
Speaker 4: Right, Do you have any fine thoughts on the game
Speaker 4: here tonight?
Speaker 38: Fred?
Speaker 4: Before we get ready for a primetime affair against the
Speaker 4: Dolphins next week.
Speaker 3: You asked the question earlier, like coming out of this game.
Speaker 3: What will really bother you? The halftime stream didn't work
Speaker 3: as well for everybody as we had hope, so I
Speaker 3: apologize for that. Oh a lot of people just froze up,
Speaker 3: you know, bandwidth issues. I guess I don't know so.
Speaker 4: Many people trying to watch.
Speaker 3: Well it was, well, that shouldn't in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: That should not be an issue.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, unless it's like a ridiculous amount.
Speaker 3: Even then it happens to Taylor Swift, you know, but
Speaker 3: this isn't that. You know, there's no excuses. Some people
Speaker 3: saw it something, but I wanted everybody to see it,
Speaker 3: so that bothered me. All right, Well, but you can
Speaker 3: go to patries dot com now and see the whole
Speaker 3: ceremony in its entirety, with a whole bunch of people
Speaker 3: that have been watching it.
Speaker 4: That's for sure not necessarily game related. So do say
Speaker 4: anything with a game or you.
Speaker 1: Know, it is what it is, a little disappointing, little encouraging,
Speaker 1: but doesn't really matter.
Speaker 6: I just think, all eyes on the Dolphins. You haven't
Speaker 6: beaten to a yet. They're coming off a big win.
Speaker 6: It's a divisional game at home. If you're serious about
Speaker 6: being a contender and making this season matter. I think
Speaker 6: this is pretty much as close as you can get
Speaker 6: to a must win at week two. I know it's
Speaker 6: week two, but everything that's been going on last couple
Speaker 6: of years must win this weekend.
Speaker 5: Well, I really like Mike's I'll just I guess I'll
Speaker 5: hammer it home. I didn't like the decisions, situational decisions,
Speaker 5: passing up field goals and even not punting on fourth
Speaker 5: and seventeen from about the forty eight yard line at
Speaker 5: the end. Just think about if on that last drive,
Speaker 5: if the Eagles had converted the fourth down, let say,
Speaker 5: Gonzalas doesn't make that tremendous play, right, do you think
Speaker 5: they go for fourth and two from their own fifteen.
Speaker 24: Like that?
Speaker 5: To me changes it forced you to have to defend
Speaker 5: a fourth down because you just gave them the ball
Speaker 5: at fifty and they said, we can roll the dice
Speaker 5: here and we can end the game. They're not going
Speaker 5: to do that deep in their own territory, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I didn't like the situational decisions.
Speaker 4: No, And I think that the players themselves can look
Speaker 4: at the opportunities they had and decide that maybe they
Speaker 4: need to do better next time. Around, and I hope
Speaker 4: the coaches do the same thing, and they have enough
Speaker 4: humility to kind of bet look back at that stuff
Speaker 4: and say, really, wasn't six minutes, it was ten minutes,
Speaker 4: and maybe the three points would have served us better there.
Speaker 4: If you can learn from that stuff going forward, I
Speaker 4: think we got a hell of a season. All right.
Speaker 4: Final score for the final time, Patriots twenty Eagles twenty five.
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