WEBVTT - 9021-What Really Happened to Mark Reese? 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:00.320 His own. 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.000 James played Mark Reese in season seven, and fans know 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:08.480 the controversy around his character and the actor. Many know 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.479 that the intention was for Dalton to be a regular 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.720 throughout season seven and Kelly Taylor's love interest, but that 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.680 didn't happen. His time on the show was cut short. 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:20.640 He was let go from nine O two one zero 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.640 and there have been rumors for years as to why. Well, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.880 today he's here and we aren't going to shy away 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.280 from going there and asking him the uncomfortable questions and 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.080 finding out the real story. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:37.680 It's nine O one e Legen with Jenny Garth and 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:38.600 Tory Spelling. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:44.440 Hey, guys, how are you hi? 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:44.960 Dalton? 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:46.000 How's it going? 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:48.320 Hi? Where are you? 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.800 I'm sitting in my kitchen. What city though, oh, Burbank. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.080 So we wanted to do this interview, and we were 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:02.080 thinking about going back and doing a boot of Kelly 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.520 and Mark and just doing a whole show another nine 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.360 or Tana, What do you think that's been off? 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.840 Yeah, I'd be down. You're asking me. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.759 It's been how many years? Twenty five years though? 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:20.160 Oh my, twenty seven seven years? 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.200 Oh my gosh, it's. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.800 Been a long time. I went and watched. I went 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.120 back and watched that episode this morning that you guys 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.600 sent me, and I was like, oh my gosh, I'll 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.840 look at how long ago that was. It was. I 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.160 just can't believe it at this point. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.800 No, well, it feels like yesterday because you look exactly 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:39.240 the same. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:40.000 I know. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:47.319 Well, thank you, so you guys. I've I've had my 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.280 ups and downs. You know. I put on some weight 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.320 for a while and then I was like, this isn't me. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.720 I don't like it. So I took that off and 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.520 I quit drinking. Was the thing. Drink packed on some 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.000 weight and I was like, in my life, so I 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.160 cut it out completely. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.560 So you're much healthier now than Yeah. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.800 Good, I Yeah I am. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.320 Because People Magazine you were you were one of the sexiest, 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.720 sexiest people two thousand correct. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:14.680 Wow, I. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:17.600 Heard that, but I don't know. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:18.600 It's not true. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.399 I don't know. I honestly have no idea. Nobody ever 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.200 told me, and no one ever told you. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.639 I think you were one of the sexiest people. And 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.519 People Magazine you probably know, like, that's a that's. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.600 A good that's what you told me. It must be real. Yeah. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:40.320 Well, I saw that online at some point and I 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.400 was like, I never heard that, So I think I 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.840 think that somebody messed up and made a mistake, and 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:47.320 that's not. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:50.239 Just take it and run. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.280 Yeah, we just started watching back the episodes. I think 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.000 last week was the first episode that you aired on, 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.280 and you just appeared out of nowhere, as if we 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.200 had known you for a long time, like your character 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.320 just came in like he'd been there forever, which was 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.120 such a weird way to introduce a character. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:11.760 I thought, Yeah, I mean, do you remember that. I 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.840 do remember that, and but it's happened to me before. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.040 But yeah, it was you know, you just kind of 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.880 go with it, right, I mean, you get thrown into 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.280 situations and acting where they do that all the time. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.880 So but it did seem that way, kind of like 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.280 I'm hanging out with Jason and the TV station and 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.480 it's like we're old buddies and but I just ran 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.640 with it, did my job. So it was a lot 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:39.080 of fun. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.880 Were you offered this part or you auditioned? 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:46.480 I was offered by your father. I had done a 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.600 couple of pilots for him previously that didn't get picked up. 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.080 One of them he really really wanted to get picked up. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.240 It was called which one. It's called Crossdown Traffic, where 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.480 I played a it's like a twenty one jumps jump 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:03.240 okay file type show. But he tried and tried, and 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.360 that we went past the pickup date and he kept 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.280 me on hold, gave me a little money, which was 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.640 cool to hold me, but it didn't end up getting 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.760 picked up. And then I did another one for him 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.760 called The wolf Pack right after that one the next year, 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:23.240 and that was another family detective tile style show with 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:29.000 like Piper Lori and Dennis Weaver and Greg Evigan some 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.800 other people, and that didn't get picked up. And then 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.320 Aaron came to me and he said, would you like 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.920 to do nine O two one oh? And I said, sure, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.120 why not? You know that was a little scary though. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.280 I have to be honest with you guys, because there 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.599 was a little bit of an intimidation factor going into 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.560 that show, because you guys were an iconic show for one, 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.280 and you guys were like a family already, and I 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.279 was used to starting from ground up. You know, you 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.000 get your book the pilot, then you get picked up, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.080 everybody does the show, then you become like a family. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.960 So I was my first day of shooting to be honest, 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.479 that first scene that I did in the TV station 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.760 with Jason, I was a little bit nervous. And I 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.800 never got nervous when I was shooting, but that one 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.279 particular time I did, and as soon as the scene 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.280 was over, I was fine after that. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.559 So I just remember when you were in My Father 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.000 the Hero and I was so smitten with you. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.080 I was like, oh my gosh, that is the cutest boy. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.039 I remember telling my dad. I was like, oh my god, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.799 he's amazing. Was that your first film? 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.120 That was my second film? I was in Encino man. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.560 I had a oh great, you were so dreamy and 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.440 My Father the Hero. Okay, sorry, I digress. Let's go 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.440 back to Mark reeson niners who want I'm sorry, Yeah. 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.800 Yes, Well, I feel like what I'd love to just 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.000 address something that for me is like the elephant in 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.280 the room, because let's just have a really open, honest conversation, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.440 because there are things out there that talk about why 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.760 your character didn't continue forward on the show. We've heard 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.240 a couple of different takes on how that went down. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.480 One of them was the chemistry factor between our characters, right, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.440 how did I'm just curious, like, for you, what that 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.760 was like that whole experience where did you think you 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.320 were going to be on for more episodes and then 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.000 it ended sooner than you thought. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.599 Yeah, I did, and I was I remember when I 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.039 forget the producer's name now, but I remember when he 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.320 brought me in and was to have a meeting with 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.400 him and told me that they were letting me go. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.000 I was pretty bummed about it, to be honest, But 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:45.520 you know, hey, life is hard for all of us. 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:51.760 We we were all young. You know. For one, I'm 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.040 I don't have any ill feelings at all. And you know, 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.880 it was a great job. It was a great opportunity 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:03.839 and I made some great money. But yeah, I was 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.440 bummed when the when the show got canceled. And you know, 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.800 I know you and I we I thought we worked 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.160 together well. But you know, like I said, we were young. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.640 I was going through a hard time. I was, you know, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.120 had I was a new father at the time. I 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:19.440 don't know if you guys remember that. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.400 How old were you when you had a child. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.480 I was young. I was twenty five when my son 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.960 was born, So I don't know why I started so young. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.920 I don't regret it. I love my kid. He's a 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.720 great kid. I have four by the way. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:35.360 Wow. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.000 But back to what you were saying, I don't have 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:44.280 any ill feelings, so it's you know, we I thought 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.120 we did a good job together. I thought we did 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:47.880 some good work. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.200 I'm really glad to hear you say that, because I've 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.600 been seeing the character and then remembering and then hearing 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.400 from different people how that all happened. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:57.720 I feel like. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:05.720 I was young too, and I feel like maybe when 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.400 you're young like that, you don't really look at things 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:14.800 objectively from different perspectives, and perhaps me thinking well this, 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.840 I don't feel like the chemistry between these characters is 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:22.560 working out. I didn't really look at how that impacted 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:28.200 you or your future, and I just I'm glad to 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.480 hear you say that you don't harbor feelings about it, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:31.840 because I would hate that. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.320 I don't. You know, the journey that I took in 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:41.560 my career was there was a lot of learning. You know, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.959 it's a big learning experience for me. You know, you're 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:48.480 thrown into a situation is at twenty one that let's 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.959 putting this way, When I was twenty, I'm living in Sacramento, 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.800 I'm working at a tractor yard. Before I moved to 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.760 Los Angeles and I had a manager that wanted me, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.520 and I was making one hundred and seventy five bucks 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.280 a week. But I loved the job. It was so 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.320 much fun. I got to drive all these big tractors 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.960 and stuff. And then the next year, I'm on a 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:16.040 TV series with Robert Urick. He's playing my father, I'm 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.360 his son. We're the two stars of the show, and 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.840 I'm making eighteen thousand dollars a week. And I was like, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:28.480 how the heck did this happen? And I remember I 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.960 was depressed for the first two months of shooting, and 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:38.080 I was like, why are you depressed? You got the 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:43.160 world at your feet, You're I mean, you've succeeded at something. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.280 And then and I'm depressed, and it kind of set 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.280 me on. You know, there's no class that you can 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.679 go take in college that prepares you for being thrown 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.120 onto a TV show and everybody all of a sudden, 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.320 you know, you go places and they know who you are. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.440 There's nothing that prepares you for that. Coupled with the 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.199 fact that I grew up with a family that didn't 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.280 have any money, so nobody talked about how to save 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.440 it or invest it or you know, to set yourself 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.880 up for the future. So I kind of squandered, you know, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.640 the money that I made for eleven years. I was 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.400 just kind of an idiot in a certain way. But 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.640 you know, but you know, you live in your learn 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.760 and I look at it. I look at my life 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:30.600 as a series of lessons and the even you know, 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.800 being on the show, the interaction that I mostly had 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.000 with you, Jinny. You know, I learned from it, and 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.560 you know, you become a better person, you know, you 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.040 learn things about yourself, and you know, I was in 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.360 a place where I was trying to find myself still. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.320 You know, it's it's hard being you know, I'm sure 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.920 you guys relate one hundred percent more than I do. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.560 You guys reached a level of SSS, that of success 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.640 that I didn't, and I kind of sabotaged my career 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.400 in a way, you know, because I wasn't. I had 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.800 a lot of issue and I put myself through therapy 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:07.120 and I went to group therapies with my wife at 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.439 the time were since divorced and with somebody else now. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:15.120 But you know, it's just a you know, we learned, 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.960 we move on and we become better but I I 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:23.480 so appreciate you bringing that up. I really do. I 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.480 think that's really cool. I'm impressed. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:28.720 Well, I mean. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.319 It's I don't think I ever Yeah, like I said before, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.439 you don't really think at that young age the impact 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.439 and us being in that kind of bubble that we 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:45.200 were growing up in with, you know, this weird power 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.400 that was appointed to us as the stars of the show, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.640 and then you look back all these thirty some years 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.280 later and you're like, wow, what happened? Like how did 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:00.240 that happen? And why would you know? Why would it be? Yeah, 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.480 it just why would have happened? But I'm interested to like, 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.400 do do you know exactly what did you learn? You 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.000 said you learned things from that experience, Like what is 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.200 it that you learned? Do you know? 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.320 Well? I, like I said, I had a lot of 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.320 issues and I was I remember when I that first 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.800 two months of shooting and I was, you know, depressed. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.360 I was like, I got to do some work on myself. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.599 I want I had this cloud over me, you know, 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.760 and I was like, I don't want this cloud. I 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.520 should be happy, you know, And there was just a 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.160 lot of fear. You know, you grow up and you 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.360 know where these little computers and we get programmed and 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.840 then you you know, you think everything's fine, and then 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:41.600 you get out in the real world and you realize 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.840 that you, you know, aren't quite what you thought you were. 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.160 And sorry, I'm trying not to get emotional, geez. And 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:54.040 I I scrutinized myself. I put myself under a microscope, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.559 and I wanted to be better. I wanted to clean 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.520 out my mind. I actually wrote a book about it 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.720 that I'm actually i'm editing it. I'm finished. I wrote 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.040 the book, but I'm editing. I'm trying to get that done. 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:12.959 It's like a spirituality slash psychology self help style book. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.600 So basically what I learned on my journey and working 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.080 on myself and trying to become, you know, a better 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.120 version of myself. I one day thought, you know what, 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.199 I'm going to write a book and maybe this can 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.600 help somebody. You know. It's just kind of a little 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.840 systematic way of working on cleaning out your mind, because 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.400 if your mind's unclean, you're going to do dumb things 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.400 like I did. I said dumb things and did dumb things. 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:44.760 And you know, I don't really have regrets because of 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.720 what I've learned about myself and I just feel better 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.560 as a person and I feel happier and as a whole. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.800 Well, that's great to hear. Also what you said too 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.800 about like you just gotten this big show, this big break, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.600 and you are making money for the first time, and 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.319 you've still felt you felt depressed. Was that the first 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.560 time that you had felt that kind of feeling, like 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:06.240 the depression? 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:12.360 Oh, I remember when I was fourteen, maybe I was fifteen, 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.920 Oh yeah, I was fifteen. Actually, my sophomore first part 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.360 of my sophomore year in high school, I went through 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:23.760 a major depression. And it's as weird as it sounds 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:34.440 that the depression was that I could see. Sounds really weird, 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.760 but I I one day realized that I could see 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.000 like this world in front of me, and it really 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.120 spun me into this weird thing. And it was for 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:49.720 four months. I was really depressed and just felt like 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.480 an observer of life, so to speak. But then I 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.160 met this girl and we had a you know, a 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.600 relationship for a while, and she kind of snapped me 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.880 out of it. But you know, I always had like 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:07.440 some deep rooted emotional things going on. I don't know, 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.680 you know what they where they came from. I mean 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:17.360 why I came from a kind of a My parents 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.760 had kind of a tumultuous relationship. I guess you could 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.600 say my mom and my dad when I was young. 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:28.120 My father was a major alcoholic and they divorced when 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.880 I was for Thank god, you know, God blessed my 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.880 dad's soul. He passed away, but he just never could 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:35.880 get it together. It's probably it's probably better that he 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.040 wasn't there, But you know, I think some of those 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.960 deep rooted issues brought up this stuff later in life. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.360 And you know, I know that he was kind of 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:50.600 a lunatic, and but you know, so be it. That's 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.080 the way it went. But you know, we all have 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.440 our lessons to learn in life. We got to have 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.400 drama to learn, right. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:03.000 So grateful now that there's so much communication about mental 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:07.840 health and our children. It's a different generation. They can 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.440 talk about it and we speak freely. I feel like 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.680 our generation we didn't really know if people are suffering 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.680 from depression and are talking to their parents, and it 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.600 wasn't a conversation as much as it is now, and 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.200 people went undiagnosed and they could get help. They can 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.520 get help now, and did you feel like it during 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:32.040 that time you couldn't talk about it or you said 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.080 a girl you were in a relationship, right, and I 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:35.160 snapped you out of it. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.440 But no like therapy or medication. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.200 No, nothing like that. I mean that we didn't have 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.880 I mean we wet therapy then, but they didn't have medication. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.920 But right, it was different. Yeah. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.720 I was the type of person though that I'm not 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:55.720 afraid to feel. So I decided that I can deal 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.000 with this. I need to process it and go through it. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.199 I had to tell my mom about it, but she 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.879 just she couldn't understand, I guess, and she had a 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.640 lot going on in her life. So it was kind 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.399 of kind of was on my own. But I figured 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.000 it out. And you know, that one was really deep. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.000 The cloud that I had hanging over my head in 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:24.119 my career was It wasn't nearly as bad, but you know, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.320 I used to I would get depressed a lot, and 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.800 I went through some When I went through therapy, my 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:34.480 therapist did what's called couch work. It's a breathing exercise 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.560 that you do that brings up supposedly brings up repressed 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:43.520 childhood memories. And after I did couch work for a year. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.520 I don't get depressed anymore. Ever, I have bad days, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.800 you know, I wake up in a bad mood. You know, 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.119 I have a weird dream sometimes and you wake up. 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:54.920 But the cool thing is I can spot it now, 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:59.560 Like I'm like, all right, you're you're kind of feeling 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:05.000 a little spie today, so you know, just watch yourself. So, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.679 but now that's say, I just went through it on 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.919 my own. But the girl stamped me out of it. 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.119 She gave me something to look forward to. But it 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:15.880 was a weird time. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.080 How old are your kids? 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:23.040 My son is twenty nine, he's getting married next month 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.959 on April fifth, going out to Milwauk for Yeah, thank you. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.080 And then my daughter's twenty seven, she's already married. And 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.440 then I have two step daughters that are twenty five 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.880 and twenty three. So everybody was two years apart. Yeah, 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:46.639 they're all good kids. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.960 Okay, So you left our show unexpectedly and then went 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.880 on to be on with Passions. 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.879 Your next project, Passions was my next probably yes, And 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.360 then for whatever really reason, I got released from that 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:09.320 and I was just like gosh, and I think that's 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.880 kind of when I self sabotaged myself. I was kind 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.960 of like, you know what, I'm going to step out 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.360 for a while and focus on my family and my kids, 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:24.200 and that didn't go as planned. Then my ex wife 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.440 we decided to get a divorce in two thousand and five, 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.560 which was best for both of us, I think because 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.080 we got together so young that you know, when you're young, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.919 you don't think is this really the right person for me? 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.080 At least I didn't. You know, it's just like my 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.280 lover and I'm going to marry her. Yeah, you know, 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.680 you learn, you learn more, so I came out of them. 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.000 That was a difficult time for me going through the 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.359 divorce because you know, even though you know that it's over, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.400 you know, you spend fifteen years of your life with somebody, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.639 you know that's it's you're going to miss. You're going 0:19:57.680 --> 0:19:59.680 to miss them to some degree, you know when you're 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.040 going through that grieving process, and that was difficult. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.240 All three of us had been through that, so we 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.840 can all definite but definitely relate. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.280 It's better the second time for me, for sure. 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:16.639 It was better for the third time for Jen and 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:17.920 I need a third time soon. 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:19.520 Chance. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.600 Yeah, that's funny. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:23.399 Do you ever get a chance to talk to it 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:28.920 to Aaron Spelling about your contract being cut short? 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:30.280 No, I didn't. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.719 How did you find out? I'm so curious. Was it 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.080 your agent's calling you or the producers or no. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.320 It was the producer, the guy that worked in the 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:44.760 studio that we shot. I think it was Paul. Yeah, 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.520 And he brought me in and sat me down and 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:49.800 told me. And I was like, I was like, what 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.320 did I do wrong? That's the thing I asked him, 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.080 and he said, well, we just decided to go a 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.679 different way, So you know, I was like, all right, 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.840 that's that's fine. You know, what are you going to do? 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:04.560 Yeah? 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.800 It sucks. We've all been there. I've been fired from 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:11.680 a job before, but not funny story. I was hired 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.600 to do a pilot for a sitcom. Was really big 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.600 deal and I was so excited. My dad died like 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.919 two weeks before. Oh no, I was already contracted to 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:27.600 do this job and it was a comedy and I 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:29.720 tried to shoot the pilot the best I could. I 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.520 tried to be funny and light, but it just my 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.480 body wasn't having it. You know. There was that cloud 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.400 over me at that time, and that I got fired 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.359 from that job, and it's never fun. 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:41.880 I'll take rejection. 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:44.639 As actors, I think we're kind of used to it, 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.600 like not getting the job, getting the audition right, but 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:50.439 have a job and then you lose it. You're like, 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.000 it's you do kind of take it really personally when 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.960 matter of fact is it's probably not a personal issue. 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.879 It's not about you at all. It's about the character 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.439 or the storyline, or the chemistry or all the things 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.359