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Speaker 2: James played Mark Reese in season seven, and fans know

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Speaker 2: throughout season seven and Kelly Taylor's love interest, but that

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Speaker 2: He was let go from nine O two one zero

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Speaker 2: and there have been rumors for years as to why. Well,

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Speaker 3: It's nine O one e Legen with Jenny Garth and

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how are you hi?

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Speaker 4: How's it going?

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Speaker 3: Hi? Where are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm sitting in my kitchen. What city though, oh, Burbank.

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Speaker 2: So we wanted to do this interview, and we were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be down. You're asking me.

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Speaker 1: It's been how many years? Twenty five years though?

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Speaker 4: Been a long time. I went and watched. I went

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Speaker 3: No, well, it feels like yesterday because you look exactly

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you, so you guys. I've I've had my

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Speaker 3: So you're much healthier now than Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Because People Magazine you were you were one of the sexiest,

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Speaker 4: It's better the second time for me, for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's funny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're all.

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Speaker 4: it's what it all boils down to. And we all

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00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 4: have our we have our own little personal problems too.

438
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Speaker 4: You know, I think that people think that we're just

439
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Speaker 4: perfect people and and our lives are so grand all

440
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: the time. You know, we go through the same things

441
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Speaker 4: that everybody else does.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious when you were thinking this through, Like what

443
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Speaker 3: what were you what what would make you decided not

444
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Speaker 3: to talk to us today.

445
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Speaker 4: I'm kind of in my own little world in a way,

446
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Speaker 4: Like I have things that I like to do, and

447
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Speaker 4: I've never been one that needed to be like famous,

448
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 4: you know, like, oh, you know, check me out. That's

449
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: not me, I don't. I heard a someone make a

450
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Speaker 4: remark once. They were like, this is back in the

451
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Speaker 4: day when I was working a lot. They were somebody

452
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Speaker 4: had mentioned I read in an article. They said, this

453
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Speaker 4: guy is hard to get information on because we don't

454
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 4: see him anywhere. Like I didn't hang out in Hollywood.

455
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 4: I was like, cool, I got more money, I can

456
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Speaker 4: go fishing in Utah. You know. I would get in

457
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Speaker 4: my Bronco and drive to Utah and fish for a

458
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Speaker 4: week or two, or you know, like I'd go up

459
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Speaker 4: to Sacramento to see my family and hang out and

460
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Speaker 4: play golf. I've got an obsession with golf. I've played

461
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Speaker 4: a lot of golf, and I play at a scratch level.

462
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 4: I'm pretty good, but good as I want to be.

463
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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's something that I just love and

464
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Speaker 4: I put a lot of time and effort into that.

465
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Speaker 4: So but yeah, they I don't need that kind of attention,

466
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But I think it's cool

467
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Speaker 4: when somebody You know what I got to tell you, guys.

468
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Speaker 4: A funny story. My neighbor across the street is we

469
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Speaker 4: just see each other in passing a lot. Like I've

470
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Speaker 4: lived in this house that I'm in for about fifteen years.

471
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Speaker 4: I used to see him out in front when we

472
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Speaker 4: park our cars. Hey, how you doing. What's up Sean?

473
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Speaker 4: What's up Dalton? Blah blah blah. Well, about eight months ago,

474
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Speaker 4: I get out of my car and he comes running

475
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Speaker 4: up and he goes, Dalton. He goes, I didn't know

476
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Speaker 4: you were Mark Reese on nine oh two one zero

477
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Speaker 4: and I go yeah. He goes, I love that show.

478
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Speaker 4: He goes, I've every single episode. I'm rewatching him now.

479
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 4: He goes, I I'm watching it and I go, oh

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Speaker 4: my god, that's Dalton. And he's like the most unassuming

481
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Speaker 4: like fan, like he's this big manly guy. I just

482
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Speaker 4: I thought it was pretty funny study.

483
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Speaker 3: That it took him fifteen years to realize totally.

484
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm a lot older now.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he looks the same exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, I've got a vision in my mind

487
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Speaker 4: of what I look like, you know what I tell

488
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Speaker 4: and it's like already maybe you know, twenty seven somewhere

489
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 4: in there, and then yeah, yeah, and then my wife

490
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Speaker 4: will go, hey, let's do a selfie and she'll take

491
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 4: it and I'm like, let me see, and I'm like,

492
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Speaker 4: that's what I look like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he wrote a book.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a huge accomplishment.

495
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Speaker 4: You know what I It is a huge accomplishment. I

496
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Speaker 4: just went through and reread the whole thing the other day,

497
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Speaker 4: and I'm getting set up to finish. I edited it,

498
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: edited about half of it, and I'm sitting down getting

499
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Speaker 4: ready to sit down and edit the other half. I

500
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: have a bunch of notes and stuff, and I read

501
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Speaker 4: the whole book through. It's about one hundred it's a

502
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: small book. I call it the Little Book of Consciousness.

503
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 4: It's about one hundred and fifty three pages. And I

504
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 4: sat down and read it and I was like, wow,

505
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Speaker 4: I can't believe that I wrote this, Like it's it's

506
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: pretty cool. Like I never I never considered myself a writer,

507
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 4: you know, I think we.

508
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Speaker 3: All have that in us. But it sounds like you've

509
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Speaker 3: been through, you know, a lot in your life of

510
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 3: like just dealing with emotions and circumstances and where you

511
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: are versus where you want to be, and where you

512
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: want to be versus where you are. You know, this

513
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: all stuff that everybody can relate to. So kudos to

514
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Speaker 3: you for putting it down on paper.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you. Yeah, it was. It's a pretty cool accomplishment.

516
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Speaker 4: I just I want to get it done. I haven't

517
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Speaker 4: decided if I'm going to try and go the traditional

518
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Speaker 4: route of publishing or if I want to self publish it.

519
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Speaker 4: The only thing that bothers me is I've heard that

520
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Speaker 4: sometimes if they take your book and they do a

521
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: certain run, if that doesn't do as well as they thought,

522
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: then they stop and it's not really yours. Or I

523
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: don't know all the particulars, but I kind of might

524
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Speaker 4: just self publish it. And if I mean, even if

525
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Speaker 4: I gave it away for free, you know, it's if

526
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Speaker 4: it can help somebody, you know, one one person I

527
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: mean that's kind of cool. That's uh. I mean, ultimately

528
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: that's what matters, you know, and that's the reason I

529
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 4: wrote it.

530
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Speaker 3: Yeah, one person that resonates with one person and makes

531
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Speaker 3: them feel less.

532
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Speaker 4: Alone or yeah, absolutely, yeah, Well send.

533
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Speaker 3: Us a copy when you get it ready.

534
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Speaker 4: I will, I will do that.

535
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Speaker 3: Well, we're so happy to be able to connect in

536
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Speaker 3: I'm really happy we were able to talk.

537
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: About that, and I was you too.

538
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Speaker 5: I wanted to talk to you.

539
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Speaker 3: But I was also slash nervous about it and just wondering,

540
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Speaker 3: like where you had landed with all of that after

541
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Speaker 3: all these years, and if it brought you know, talking

542
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: about it brought back stuff. But I'm sorry for you know,

543
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Speaker 3: my part in whatever happened. You know, if that had

544
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Speaker 3: a negative effect on you in any.

545
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Speaker 4: Way, that's awesome, Thank you, and I I'm sorry as

546
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Speaker 4: well for my part. That's uh, I'm pretty shocked about

547
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Speaker 4: that you're talking to me about that. I think that's

548
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: really cool of you. God is smiling at you.

549
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Speaker 3: Oh good.

550
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Speaker 4: I think that's cool.

551
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Speaker 3: It's really really nice to connect with you again.

552
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Speaker 2: You're always so nice back then, So thank you for

553
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Speaker 2: doing this interview.

554
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Speaker 4: You got it and you were always so nice to Tori.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all right.

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Speaker 3: Good luck with your book.

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Speaker 4: All right, thank you. I'll get you guys a copy

558
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Speaker 4: when it's done. Please, thank you, you're welcome. Thank you. Okay,