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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 2: we've been trying to.

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Speaker 3: Get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes to break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Quark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Carrie Champion. Hey everybody, welcome back to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of my interview with Joy read.

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Speaker 1: This leans really heavy into what's happening in our political

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Speaker 1: landscape and how we should be looking at Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 1: and what it all means, and what is this whole

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Speaker 1: thing about where we land in this world that we

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Speaker 1: live in today. What does legacy media look like versus

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Speaker 1: being a podcaster? Is there such a thing? All of

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Speaker 1: these topics are so very fire. I'm not kidding you

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Speaker 1: when I tell you Joy brought the heat and she

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Speaker 1: was unapologetic, and she said everything she meant to say.

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Speaker 1: She said what she said, So I hope y'all enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to part two of my joy Read interview.

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Speaker 1: This administration has been unapologetic. They have targeted you in

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Speaker 1: many ways, which means they are afraid of you. There's

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Speaker 1: no reason for jd Vance to be calling you out

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere. You're at home, minding your business. You

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Speaker 1: sitting here with this great makeup phone, and your hair

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Speaker 1: look good, your nails look good. Your earring is a fly.

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Speaker 1: You live in your best black life, in your house, grinding,

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Speaker 1: paying your taxes, being rich.

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Speaker 3: Leave me alone.

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Speaker 1: I am here, What do you? I'm here? What are

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Speaker 1: you talking about?

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Speaker 3: I was moisturized and are moisture.

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Speaker 1: You are not ashy? Why you come up?

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Speaker 3: I was not ashy. I was like, if I was ashy,

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Speaker 3: he had something. Maybe I was moisturized. Don't bother.

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Speaker 2: This fool pulled an interview from me and Tana Hussey

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Speaker 2: Cookes from like two years ago, retweets it because limbs

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Speaker 2: of TikTok decided they wanted to for some reason platform

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe because they're fighting immigrants and they're

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Speaker 2: like Ooh, this lady's mama was an immigrant. Let's throw

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Speaker 2: her under the bus and say she's not grateful to

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Speaker 2: be in America.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, grateful to who so definitely not you, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, F you?

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Speaker 2: And that's literally what I did say, Like if you, dude,

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Speaker 2: you called Kamala Harris the trash, like, actually, f you

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Speaker 2: for life. There's nothing to say. You can rescue my

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Speaker 2: cat out of the tree, and I would still say

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Speaker 2: thank you for my.

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Speaker 3: Cat and f you.

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Speaker 1: You can curage life.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, we don't.

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Speaker 2: I always want to make sure I cussed us out

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Speaker 2: in front of a pastor a couple of times. I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm trying trying to get it right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and and and fuck you is my favorite thing to say.

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Speaker 1: So he it was JD Vance Trump making Kelly oh.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, don't even get me started on that horrible bitch.

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Speaker 2: But let me say on the on the on the

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Speaker 2: Trump on the Trump thing. The White House, for no

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Speaker 2: reason whatsoever, they have a website on the White House

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Speaker 2: dot gov that has a thing of like my safe

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Speaker 2: space for libs and who can't live in the real world,

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Speaker 2: here's your safe space websites to go to, and they

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Speaker 2: put on the joyreshow dot com and all.

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Speaker 3: I can say is, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Send everybody there, thank you. Send them all,

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Speaker 1: send them all, every every every subscriber, every click is

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Speaker 1: getting paid. Thank you. I'll send them all, send them all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Hit me, you're woke.

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Speaker 3: Free.

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Speaker 2: They're upset and like, you know, Megan, you you you

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Speaker 2: don't as a black woman. She's obsessed with us, like

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Speaker 2: the only way she can get attention is by constantly

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Speaker 2: attacking black women. She's attactivity. She had the nerve to

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Speaker 2: attack Jamail Hill and try to come for her looks.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, baby, do you have a mirror, maggot? You

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Speaker 2: look like dried up old barbie. She looked like Barbie

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Speaker 1: She looks like.

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Speaker 2: Comb your hair and then talk to Jamil. Here, Jailha

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Speaker 2: is beautiful and unbothered with no makeup. You're over here

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Speaker 2: can't even walk out the do you can't go to

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Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting about this. You are everything. You're saying

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Speaker 1: right on, you're not missing but something that to me,

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Speaker 1: and this is why I think about what how we

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Speaker 1: have been able to take our platforms and use them

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Speaker 1: for good and respond every now and again that's just

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Speaker 1: I think she just throws jabs for shock value. I

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Speaker 1: think every now and again she just shows you know,

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Speaker 1: let me just oh, I haven't messed with you in

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Speaker 1: a long time. You can take it. What does it

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Speaker 1: look like to be constantly harassed online and also harassed

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Speaker 1: by this current administration? And every every not every, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of these conservative podcast hosts really look to

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Speaker 1: you for AYR because to me, all it says is

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Speaker 1: that you're doing your job and you're being effective, but

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Speaker 1: ever get exhausting for you mentally, friend, I just I

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Speaker 1: can name you know ten times, or they came at

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Speaker 1: me for things that are annoying, or I you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't read the comments. I tell Tiffany too. I

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Speaker 1: was like, girls, I read them comments that's stress you out,

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Speaker 1: or I'll just block them. I'm not letting you come

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Speaker 1: up on my page and say no, no, no nonsense

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Speaker 1: for any reason. But you constantly have to deal with this,

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Speaker 1: as does Jamel. But you guys are built differently one

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Speaker 1: y'all both sagittarius is. I don't know if that has

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Speaker 2: That? Is that?

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Speaker 1: Are you a sad am? I wrong?

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Speaker 3: I am a sad and my my daughter calls us

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Speaker 3: sagittarist Now I'm a bit offended by.

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Speaker 1: But okay, okay, because you guys are like, bring it,

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Speaker 1: that's okay, I'll answer.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, how does there I mean you ever have

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Speaker 3: So you know what, I don't. I pay only a

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Speaker 2: Some people have to text me and be like, yo,

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Speaker 2: they attacked you on you know, ex Twitter or whatever,

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Speaker 2: and I don't you know I used to I used

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Speaker 3: Look, they dead name the trans I dead name them.

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Speaker 1: I'm still Twitter. It's still twit.

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Speaker 2: And so I used to be on there just fighting

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going crazy on them. And I used

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Speaker 2: but then that got exhausting and that can become mentally taxing.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going back in and I'm fighting with people

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Speaker 2: Of course when I was at MISS now the former MSNBC.

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Speaker 2: But but now what I try to do is just

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Speaker 2: dissociate a little bit. You know, cheryln I for gave

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Speaker 2: with some social media whoever and she literally she didn't

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Speaker 3: She called me.

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Speaker 2: That's when you know Sheerylyn is serious. Its about what

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Speaker 3: She called me.

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Speaker 2: And she's like, social media is a one way conversation.

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Speaker 2: you could do that all day and what's the point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know they're doing it to get a reaction

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Speaker 2: So I've really kind of I say what I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I just thank them for the attention. I appreciate the

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Speaker 1: You know, someone said something I thought was really good

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Speaker 1: one day. Uh It said, I, you know, I'd rather

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Speaker 1: mop the ocean than fight you people. I rather mop

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Yeah it would, and so it's just it's

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Speaker 1: never gonna happen. And so I agree with that thought process.

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Speaker 1: You're like, okay, or you know, I'll blade all. You know,

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Speaker 1: I do think you have to have a certain mentality

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Speaker 1: my thing with Steven A like I had. Look, there

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Speaker 1: no matter how people remember it. And Jamel and I

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Speaker 1: were talking about this, I truly believe that stephen A

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Speaker 1: was the art of why he's so good at what

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Speaker 1: he does. I'm not taking anything from He is a performer.

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Speaker 1: He is box office, he's the face of sports. But

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Speaker 1: to what I said, was just It's like, look, dude,

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Speaker 1: you know that you should start protecting black women. You

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Speaker 1: don't do that. It's not fair how you're coming at

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Speaker 1: us and the ire you reserve for us and keep

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Speaker 1: that same energy. That's all I'm saying. It's not so

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Speaker 1: the response is, but I hired you, I made you.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I only got one king maker. His

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Speaker 1: name is Oh Jesus, I got one king maker one

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Speaker 1: and I'm just in my mind, I'm like, how is that? Now?

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Speaker 1: The conversation so with saying that all droves and droves

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Speaker 1: of men and I don't know if they were black men.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that you turn the location. They be

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Speaker 1: in Bangladesh and everywhere, so who knows if they were

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Speaker 1: what what kind of sick world do we live in? Like?

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Speaker 1: Where how is that the case? And keep the same energy.

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Speaker 1: this racial renaissance happening and they are understanding. And now

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Speaker 1: it's like people can talk about Hitler and call him

436
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Speaker 1: a great man. What world do we live in? Yeah,

437
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 1: what is this?

438
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Speaker 3: It's crazy to me, it's crazy. So it's crazy.

439
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: The response to that is not to ignore that. The

440
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,959
Speaker 1: response to that is not to say this person deserves

441
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Speaker 1: a platform where they can share their opinion. The response

442
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 1: to that is no, that is wrong, that is false,

443
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: that is unfortunate, that is racist, and put every ism

444
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Speaker 1: behind it. And it's there's just no way, in my opinion,

445
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 1: you can live in the middle with this. Not the

446
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: way that we're living right now with these conservative podcasters

447
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 1: who have these huge platforms. I'm talking about, you know what, folks,

448
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

449
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 2: And I mean, there was a piece that I thought

450
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: was so brilliant that described this as it's happening, you know,

451
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: in CBS world with Barie Weiss, who was a you know,

452
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: anti woke, anti dei, you know, general what do you

453
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 2: call it, the opinion writer at the New York Times,

454
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,479
Speaker 2: and she gets sort are driven out of there. She

455
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: creates this substack that's all about anti wokeness, et cetera.

456
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 3: Now she runs CBS. She gave an interview or she did.

457
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: Like a thing on stage, a stage talk, where she

458
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: talked about what she really wants. The sort of golden

459
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: mean that she wants is to have this world in

460
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Speaker 2: which you can have a Dana Lesh who is the

461
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Speaker 2: woman who used to be the NRA spokesperson, and then

462
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: Alan Dershowitz, who was Jeffrey Epstein's former attorney, debate on

463
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Speaker 2: gun reform and then walk away and have dinner together afterwards.

464
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 2: And it's like, if that is the goal, there's so

465
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 2: much wrong with that, because the thing that this article

466
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,959
Speaker 2: pointed out that people hate the most about the media

467
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: is the idea that these two people are debating diametrically

468
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: opposite values, not even just positions, but values, and then

469
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: they go sit down and Kiki and have dinner afterwards,

470
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 2: meaning that their debate was bullshit, meaning that debate wasn't real,

471
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: it was performative. It was for the cameras. It's why

472
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 2: Crossfire died way back in the day on CNA. I mean,

473
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: you say, how long I've been watching Gable News, Remember

474
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: that old show. It died because people felt that the

475
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Speaker 2: debate wasn't genuine. And so what we really need is

476
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Speaker 2: people of principle. You could certainly have a debate. I

477
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Speaker 2: just had Debbie Wasserman Schultz Commerce from a Debbie Wassermon

478
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 2: Schultz on jordby Joe last night, and we had a

479
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Speaker 2: whole debate about whether leaving it in Yahoo is a

480
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Speaker 2: war criminal. You know, I think it's valuable to actually

481
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Speaker 2: tease those debates out. But everyone has to be coming

482
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Speaker 2: from a genuine position, right. Don't need performance in this moment.

483
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 2: We need real conversations about real things because we're in

484
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Speaker 2: a real crisis.

485
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Speaker 3: With our democracy crisis.

486
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: This isn't just.

487
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: Like bad politics and like a weird political season. You know,

488
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: we have an autocracy sitting in the White House. People

489
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 2: are being disappeared off the streets. There are children who

490
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Speaker 2: are missing because ice grabbed them and their parents separated them,

491
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Speaker 2: and now one is can't be found he as a

492
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Speaker 2: child or the parent. We're having literal kidnappings in plane sight,

493
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Speaker 2: broad daylight, masks, men who we can't even confirm. Our

494
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: agents of the federal government taking people like we're in

495
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: Defcon one. Citizens are being US citizens are being sent

496
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Speaker 2: out of the country to countries they've never even been to.

497
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Speaker 3: Because this regime wants to get rid of.

498
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Speaker 2: Brown and black people. They're just sending them to Swatini

499
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Speaker 2: and they've never been there. It's like, what is happening.

500
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Speaker 2: This is not this is deaf con one. We don't

501
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Speaker 2: have time for this bullshit.

502
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Speaker 1: You can't have, to your point, a healthy debate if

503
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Speaker 1: it's not genuine, because we're talking about real things right now.

504
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to get your opinion on why you

505
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Speaker 1: believe Jeffrey Epstein is the one thing that has really

506
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: rocked MAGA. Like we we didn't see any movement until

507
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: we saw this. They were aligned, there was allegiance he

508
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: Trump was king. No one was saying that he was

509
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: not that person. And now you start to see these

510
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: these fractures, these fissures. I was listening to a podcast

511
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: the other day in politics, and he was just like, I,

512
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Speaker 1: this is the thing, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 1: I'm curious as to why you've been You've been covering

514
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Speaker 1: politics all of your life, most of your life. Why

515
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Speaker 1: do you feel like the And this is not a

516
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: question where I'm being cheeky. I understand that what jeffre

517
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Speaker 1: epste did was disgusting, disgusting. I don't care if you're

518
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: five or fifteen, Megan, like you, it's disgusting. So I

519
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: was educate her, yeah, right, but so I would. I'm

520
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: really curious as to why you believe this is the

521
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: thing that started to see the cracks that had people

522
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: like you know, even though it might be you know,

523
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: selfishly motive vaded for MTG to do what she did,

524
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: but like, why is this the thing?

525
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Speaker 3: I actually think she genuinely believes it? And I'll tell

526
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Speaker 3: I don't think she's genuine about much.

527
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Speaker 2: And and the reason is QAnon and to and to

528
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Speaker 2: to give you kind of the kind of give a

529
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Speaker 2: little bit of the backstory. So you know, like I said,

530
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Speaker 2: I you know, I went to out my age. I

531
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: went to high school in the late nineteen eighties. I

532
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Speaker 2: graduate high school in the late nineteen eighties. I'm oh, bitch,

533
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Speaker 2: she's not she's sassy. We don't get Oh, we get fine,

534
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: we get fine. Yeah, you see season fine?

535
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Speaker 1: Why man way? Yeah.

536
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Speaker 2: And so when I was in high school and what

537
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: do we more, junior high school and junior high I

538
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: went into high school, there was this thing that happened

539
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: where the right wing in the country, particularly white Christian conservatives,

540
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: were claiming that if you listen to pop or especially

541
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Speaker 2: rock music, and you played the songs backwards, you would

542
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Speaker 2: hear the devil speaking to you.

543
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Speaker 3: This was a real thing.

544
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Speaker 2: It was a whole like meme, and it was like

545
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: a vibe on the right where they were like, you

546
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: can't play you know. They were like the Beatles, if

547
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: you play it backwards, you're gonna hear devil music. If

548
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: you play led Zeppelin, you can play it backwards. And

549
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: if you play a lot of pop music, you would

550
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Speaker 2: hear these devil messages in them. So a lot of

551
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Speaker 2: people were like buying the records and trying to play

552
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Speaker 2: them backwards they could try to hear it. They thought

553
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Speaker 2: it was just this weird moment. But what they claim

554
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: the devil messages would do is to try to make

555
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Speaker 2: children subject to pedophiles grooming. They were obsessed with the

556
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Speaker 2: idea that there was a conspiracy among Hollywood people and

557
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Speaker 2: music musicians to create child victims of pedophilia, to massively

558
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Speaker 2: recruit children to exploit them because they were a bunch

559
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Speaker 2: of pedophiles. This was a theme of the far right

560
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: that has latently flowed throughout the right.

561
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: Beliefs politically.

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Speaker 2: It's part of their They were obsessed with trying to

563
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: claim that you couldn't have gay teachers because they were

564
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Speaker 2: going to groom children for pedophilia.

565
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Speaker 3: For you, it was an obsession.

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Speaker 1: So you're telling me this has been the foundation of

567
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Speaker 1: far right like this for this long for a very

568
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Speaker 1: long time. This pedophilia, this, this horror, this, all of

569
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: these things that they considered demonic, and it's been a

570
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: part of their foundation and and and shape and their

571
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: beliefs and who and how they vote and how they live.

572
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Speaker 1: So we here we have this Jeffrey Epstein guy.

573
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Speaker 2: That proves QAnon tree right, because remember what QAnon was.

574
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: So it went latent for a little while, right, you

575
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: didn't really hear about it as much. Then it really

576
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: came back through QAnon. And remember Marjorie Taylor Green, before

577
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: she was a politician, was they called her a q tuber.

578
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: She had a q andon curious YouTube personality. And they

579
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: believe their core belief from on QAnon and they are

580
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: mainly white Christians. There are some black QAnon ors too,

581
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: but QAnon's core belief is that there's a global pedophile

582
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Speaker 2: ring that's being run by Hollywood people, Hollywood executives, and

583
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: liberal politicians, and that they're pretending to be politicians and

584
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: normal people, but they're really just running a big pedophile ring.

585
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: And so that is their core belief and that is

586
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: a huge basis of MAGA. A lot of MAGA people

587
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: come through the q andon landscape. They come through the

588
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: Christian far right down. Trump's base are right wing white Christians,

589
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: and this QAnon latency was really undercovered in mainstream media,

590
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: but it's a really important part of his base, the

591
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green wing of MAGA. Then along comes this

592
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein story, which during the campaign, people like Dan

593
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: Bongino Cash Pattel, who were podcasters at the time, were

594
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: pushing this is going to be blown wide open if

595
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: Trump can become president. He is the q in QAnon

596
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: he's going to expose this lo pedophile ring, right, and

597
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: they tied it to Trump. They said, we gotta get

598
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: Trump in there because the Democrats and they are like

599
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton is part of this pedophile ring. If we

600
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: can just get Trump in, he's going to blow open

601
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: the Q and on conspiracy. Then Trump gets in, he

602
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: promises that he's going to release three things, the JFK

603
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: files and we're going to prove the real conspiracy mind JFK,

604
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: the MLK file is going to prove the conspiracy behind

605
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: the mlk's assassination, and the Epstein files. He then comes

606
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: in and it turns out that was his bestie for

607
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: fifteen years. He had released it not a.

608
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: Damp Stein file.

609
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: He hires Cash Hotel, makes him FBI director. Castel used

610
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 2: to say, the FBI director is who has the Q Andon,

611
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: who has the Epstein files.

612
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: Now he is Epstein. He is the FBI director Dan.

613
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Speaker 2: Bongino, who seems super uncomfortable with now being told to

614
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: suppress this information he himself promised would come out. Donald

615
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: Trump did the perfect scam. You want to bury the

616
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Speaker 2: Epstein files, become the president based on saying you're going

617
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: to release them, and then suppress them, and it was

618
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: desperate to suppress them.

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Speaker 1: But now that is why to my original question, Now

620
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Speaker 1: we're starting to see cracks in MAGA.

621
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Speaker 2: Correct because MAGA already has a core belief that there

622
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Speaker 2: is a global pedophile ring.

623
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Speaker 3: And guess what.

624
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Speaker 2: There was a global pedophile ring. Jeffrey Epstein was running it.

625
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: And what they didn't count on is that their guy,

626
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: their c their king, Donald Trump, was best friends with

627
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: the guy running a legitimate global pedophile ring. There was

628
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: a real global pedophile ring. There were multiple model agents

629
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Speaker 2: involved in it. John Casablancas was accused of it, Jean

630
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: Luca Brunell was accused of it, Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump

631
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: also had a modeling agency.

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Speaker 3: All these men and I'm not saying hmas pedophile, like

633
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Speaker 3: not say.

634
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: That, but we're saying they all knew each other. And

635
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: you had all these men that were dealing with very

636
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: young women and models, some of whom were allegedly abusing

637
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: some of their own models. And so you now have

638
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: this world that the MAGA base is seeing exposed. They

639
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: want more information, and they finally feel like they are

640
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: right on the big brink of blowing the whole conspiracy open.

641
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: And Donald Trump is not powerful enough with his rhetoric

642
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: and whatever these he tries to do to suppress that belief.

643
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: So now MAGA is cracking because the base came with

644
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: that belief, and now a lot of what they believe

645
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: has been proven true, not all of it. Some of

646
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: it is crazy, the Pizzagate stuff and all the things.

647
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: It's the core part of their belief. The Qton believe

648
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: they weren't wrong. There isn't There was a global.

649
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: Pedophile and it was involving right the people the most.

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Speaker 1: The simple structure of them believing there's a global pedophile

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Speaker 1: ring happening was that's that was true, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Run by this super elite. We had Prince Andrew, so

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Speaker 2: you had former prime ministers, So that was what they

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Speaker 2: were actually and now they oh my goodness, this stuff

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Speaker 2: is so deep.

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Speaker 1: You know what I need you to do. I need

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Speaker 1: you and others to do. I would like I would

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Speaker 1: like a podcast dedicated to this that breaks that all down.

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Speaker 1: I think you I think if if it's a podcast,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a five minute episode on your show every day,

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Speaker 1: but like breaking it all down so we can understand

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Speaker 1: what is happening. Because I just feel like the everyday person,

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Speaker 1: even those who were on TV talking about it, they

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Speaker 1: people a little nervous because it's hard to explain a

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory and without sounding crazy and all the things.

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Speaker 1: But my point being is that there's so much happening

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Speaker 1: they're like, so, we're gonna see the files down what's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be in the foules? When Aaron Rodgers is

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Speaker 1: on you know, Pat McAfee show, saying the file should

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Speaker 1: be coming out too, and I was like last year,

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. He's like, we should get

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Speaker 1: all the information we need to know you know who,

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Speaker 1: And he alluded to the fact. Remember he kind of

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Speaker 1: alluded to the fact that Kimo might be in it,

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Speaker 1: and Kim O was like, what Jimmy, kimme o' what

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Speaker 1: They're going back and forth? What this? It is fascinating

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Speaker 1: how we all are under wraps about this. I am

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Speaker 1: I wish I could talk to you for fifteen hours.

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Speaker 1: This is a two parter. By the way, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have to break this episode down to two parts because

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Speaker 1: I will try to keep it to forty five minutes,

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Speaker 1: but New York City would let me be great, and

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Speaker 1: you are great, so I have to keep that This

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Speaker 1: is a two parter. So thank you for coming on, Joey.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, because they're gonna kick me

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Speaker 1: out of this room in a minute. Before I let

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Speaker 1: you go, I want to continue to say this to you,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to say this as I wrap up

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Speaker 1: the show. I am so grateful for your presence. I'm

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Speaker 1: so grateful for what you do. I'm grateful for your

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Speaker 1: fearless nature. I'm grateful for the words that you put

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Speaker 1: together to defend us and to talk for us and

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Speaker 1: to help us, and how your sentiments represent us in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. And I'm talking about black women

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Speaker 1: who feel like they're on the fringe and they don't

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Speaker 1: know where to go. So many of us are sitting

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Speaker 1: here saying, look at how she is moving in a

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Speaker 1: world that tries to say that her excellence is not required.

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Speaker 1: Your excellence is needed. It is a necessity. It's like

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Speaker 1: air we breathe, and you continue to give it to

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Speaker 1: assist And I am so grateful for you. That's what

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for your friendship. I mean, I love

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Speaker 2: the Machetes for a lot of reasons, but they brought

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Speaker 2: me into community with you, and having you as my

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Speaker 2: friend is just such a such a blessing.

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Speaker 3: You are so brilliant, my sister.

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Speaker 2: You are as beautiful inside as out, and that is

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Speaker 2: not easy to achieve because you flasses.

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Speaker 3: And I just love the.

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Speaker 2: Fact that you know we can have these dialogues and

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Speaker 2: that we actually even just in kiking in a text

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Speaker 2: of thread, we are supporting each other and we are

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Speaker 2: I feel like an example of black women doing what

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Speaker 2: we black women are supposed to do, which is building

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Speaker 2: each other, lifting each other up. You do that without

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Speaker 2: even thinking twice. And I appreciate you and love you

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Speaker 2: so much. I preach to love you and there's nothing you.

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Speaker 3: Can do about it.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Love you, love you. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming on and sharing your excellence. I know you got

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Speaker 1: to get to work. Joy read ladies and gentlemen on

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports and she gave us t T. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's pipe it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carrie Champion,

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