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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Bow Show podcast. This is episode two

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Speaker 1: right here on iHeart Podcast, your source for great information, enlightenment,

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Speaker 1: and entertainment. Today's show, for those of you will be listening,

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about Donald Trump's first one

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Speaker 1: hundred days in office. It's hard to believe it's been

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Speaker 1: one hundred days since the president got elected again, but

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Speaker 1: here we are, one hundred days in, and of course

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Speaker 1: he has a big rally coming up later today in

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Speaker 1: Macomb County, Michigan. We'll cover a little bit of that,

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Speaker 1: some of his accomplishments, things that we think that he'll

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Speaker 1: one element that Trump even may address in today's rally,

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Speaker 1: which is anti Semitism. Anti Semitism at Harvard, especially at

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Speaker 1: Columbia University, even my own alma mater, Northwestern University, they've

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Speaker 1: kind of jumped into the mix. And we'll be discussing

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Speaker 1: even Jewish humor because my guest today on The Bow

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Speaker 1: Show is going to be sal Litvac. Sal is a comedian,

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Speaker 1: he's an author, he's a filmmaker. He went to Harvard,

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Speaker 1: and he's called him a disgrace. He went to Harvard

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Speaker 1: for undergrad. He went to NYU Law and he also

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Speaker 1: went to UCLA in grad school for film and television.

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Speaker 1: So he's a filmmaker, content creator, and he's got a

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Speaker 1: really interesting take on today's events. And I thought it

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Speaker 1: would be actually interesting to talk to a comedian because,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, in a world of kind of desolate,

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Speaker 1: depressing news, the news cycle can get cumbersome, it can

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Speaker 1: get just downright, I don't know, overwhelming, and I think

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Speaker 1: sometimes we need to be lighthearted and our approach. For

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Speaker 1: those of you that have seen some of the content

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Speaker 1: that I create on social media, you'll know that I

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Speaker 1: try to bring an element of humor, parody, satire. For

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Speaker 1: those of you listen to my first episode of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: you'll notice that I threw kind of some things in

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Speaker 1: there from little digital shorts that I've created, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to have one here in a little bit as

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Speaker 1: well that I wanted to throw here because I thought

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Speaker 1: about it after Donald Trump's first one hundred days. So

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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to talk with sal today and get

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Speaker 1: his take on what Harvard is doing in terms of

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Speaker 1: pushing back on the Trump administration with regard to anti

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Speaker 1: Semitism and viewpoint diversity and freezing two point two billion

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Speaker 1: is a big showdown. This is like what they call

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Speaker 1: in the Wild Wild West, the showdown at the ok Corral.

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Speaker 1: This is a This is this is shaping up to

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Speaker 1: be an epic battle between the world's oldest college and

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Speaker 1: elite university and the Trump administration. Trump has struck out

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Speaker 1: at Harvard before and tried to nail them on viewpoint

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Speaker 1: diversity and some of the things that they promote, especially

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Speaker 1: left wing causes, left wing ideology. So we have to

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Speaker 1: seal this thing shapes out because it very well well

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Speaker 1: could end up in the Supreme Court. First of all,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this one hundred day rally that Trump

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Speaker 1: is holding today. No, he said when he became president,

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Speaker 1: He pardoned twenty three pro life advocates in just this

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Speaker 1: the faith front, faith and religion, he released a faith

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Speaker 1: It really was so much more than that. In fact,

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Speaker 1: also instituted measures to protect religious liberty, which is important too,

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Speaker 1: And then national sovereignty has been a pillar of his

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Speaker 1: first one hundred days. He withdrew from the World Health Organization,

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Speaker 1: And then on education, what did he say, I'm going

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Speaker 1: He's rebooting and retooling the entire Department of State finding

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Speaker 2: One hundred days, one hundred days. Jojo Biden, Jojo Biden

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Speaker 2: John carry, John Carry, Why you always look so scary.

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Speaker 1: Taxes? Taxes? What's your tax go up?

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Speaker 2: You think you make a money, but your moment Papa moment,

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Speaker 1: You hit them with tax gasoline? The gasolinea captain very high.

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Speaker 1: into with my guest today. My guest today is sal Litvak.

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Speaker 1: He was born in Santiago, Chile. He moved to New

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Speaker 1: Do We Eat? Can't wait to talk about that? One

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Speaker 1: Will sow Shaloma leckhim and look him.

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Speaker 3: To be with you, to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Was in I was in the city for a few years,

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Speaker 3: friend of mine went to film school and I said,

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Speaker 3: what's that? I said, what do you mean? What's that?

431
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: You go to learn how to make movies? And I

432
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Speaker 3: just never knew that that was possible.

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Speaker 1: You know.

434
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Speaker 3: I'd seen some pretentious student films as an undergrad, had

435
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Speaker 3: nothing to do with what you see in a movie theater.

436
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 3: But an actual program where you could learn to be

437
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 3: a film director sounded incredible to me, and somehow I

438
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 3: talked my way into UCLA, and thank god I did,

439
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: because as soon as I landed and started making movies,

440
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: I realized that's what I was born to do.

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Speaker 1: Again, this is so interesting your path. I started out

442
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: pre med at Northwestern, realized that the labs at night

443
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: conflicted with the performances that I was doing at con auditorium,

444
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Speaker 1: and it didn't work out, so I was like, Okay,

445
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: maybe I'll switch to pre laws. So political science became

446
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: my minor, and vocal performance became my major, and musical

447
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: theater was a minor as well. So we had similar paths,

448
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: but once again I was I got out to LA

449
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: where you are working for law firms out there, and

450
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: they were like, what are you doing working for law firms?

451
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: You're you're you're an artist. You know, do what we

452
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: didn't do, you know, pursue that path. And you say, yeah, well,

453
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Speaker 1: but you're making a lot of money and I'm not.

454
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Speaker 1: You know, there's that sort of you know, raw awakening

455
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Speaker 1: that happens. Well, sal when you were at Harvard at

456
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Speaker 1: your time there, what was the culture like then. Did

457
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Speaker 1: you experience any anti Semitism at that time?

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Speaker 3: I did not none at all. It wasn't very political,

459
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: and like I said, I was so involved with the

460
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: rowing at that time, you know, was divesting from South Africa.

461
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: It was a bit of a thing. But I never

462
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Speaker 3: encountered anti semitism. I did once since junior high, you know,

463
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: a kid from the other side of the tracks, like

464
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: actually called me a dirty Jew, which was something that

465
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: I thought that was only in the nineteen forties, like

466
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Speaker 3: that didn't happen in the modern world. And said, hey,

467
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: you can't say that to me. And I pushed him

468
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: and he was a football player and he pounded me

469
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Speaker 3: into the lockers. But you know, at least I didn't

470
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Speaker 3: take it. I stood up for myself at Harvard. There

471
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Speaker 3: was nothing like that. I mean, it's funny. Harvard is

472
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Speaker 3: something I used to you know, never talk about. It

473
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Speaker 3: would be snotty to say, hey, I went to Harvard.

474
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Speaker 3: Now that it's become a badger shame. Yeah, let's talk

475
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 3: about Harvard and what's going on there. Great, I mean

476
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 3: it's insane. They completely let down the students. There's this

477
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: woke agenda there that's infected everything, even the sciences. I

478
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: mean you think that in the sciences, what are we

479
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 3: here to do? Just discover the truth, inspect the truth.

480
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: The lack of meritocracy, I mean, you know, the recent

481
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Speaker 3: demands from the federal government saying, this is what you

482
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 3: got to do to keep getting billions of dollars, make

483
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: sure you cure your anti semitism problem, hire based on merit,

484
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Speaker 3: screen your foreign students that they should have terrorist sympathies

485
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: and want to undermine America. I mean, pretty reasonable stuff.

486
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: And the administration is all up in arms about it.

487
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Speaker 3: So's it's crazy times.

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Speaker 1: Sell As kids go to college, you know, and I'm

489
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Speaker 1: sure this happened with you two, they tend to be

490
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Speaker 1: encouraged to be active, to be proactive, to maybe even

491
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Speaker 1: joined protest. In my experience, at least when I went

492
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Speaker 1: to Northwestern, you know, a lot of that was for

493
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Speaker 1: leftist causes. What is your take on the issue of

494
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Speaker 1: campus activism and in terms of free speech, because I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that's partially going to be Harvard's argument. Well, it's

496
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Speaker 1: free speech. We have to allow these kids to do

497
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Speaker 1: whatever they want to do. But what you just said

498
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: is you don't think the Trump demands are unreasonable at all.

499
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: It's it's simple. You know, how are you hiring, What

500
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: are your admission standards? Can you make this a safe place?

501
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: Do we can we just have empirical science rather than

502
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: focus science. What's your intake?

503
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Speaker 3: You have some viewpoint and viewpoint diversity that's another request. Exactly,

504
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: so what's so awful your point diversity?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly what that wouldn't that be? When did this change?

506
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: Because if it didn't happen necessarily when you were there,

507
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: when did this shift happen at Harvard where it got

508
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: radicalized into a basically an entire leftist agenda?

509
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Speaker 3: Do you think I mean it seems to me it's

510
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: it's this intersectionality. Uh, this at some point identity politics

511
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 3: took over and the most important thing about a person

512
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: is their immutable characteristics, the color of their skin, their gender,

513
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: things like that that have nothing to do with what

514
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: you work to attain. The way you know what Martin

515
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: Luther King said, I want people to be judged by

516
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: the content of their character, so that your character is

517
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Speaker 3: something you can work on. I mean, the Jewish tradition

518
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: that's so important to always be improving your character and

519
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: the way you'll respond under pressure. And so this idea

520
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: that the most important thing about you is how many

521
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: different categories you've been victimized in started to reduce everything

522
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 3: to well, Okay, the whole world is oppressors and oppressed

523
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 3: generally white males are oppressing everybody else, especially brown people.

524
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: And then they started applying this calculus that has no

525
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Speaker 3: application in Israel, where many Jews are brown people, and saying, well,

526
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of people dying, you know, in God's

527
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Speaker 3: in the West Bank. It must be because white people

528
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: are oppressing brown people, when that has nothing to do

529
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Speaker 3: with what's going on over there. I mean, you've got

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Speaker 3: a maniacal homicidal people who consider the existence of Israel

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Speaker 3: as stain on their honor. They'll never accept another country

532
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: alongside there is that's a you know, a Jewish country,

533
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: and so they keep attacking. They launch their rockets from

534
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Speaker 3: schools and hospitals because the retaliation will kill their children.

535
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a sacrificial This is a child

536
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: sacrificing cult of gangsters, right who then when the aid

537
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: pours in, they steal half of it, build terrorist infrastructure

538
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: with most of the rest and you know, dole out

539
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: a few pennies to actually feed and clothe people. And

540
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: then the mainstream media tells the world this you know,

541
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: genocide narrative, which is totally false. But the people at

542
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: places like Harvard, who have big brains and should know better,

543
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: buy into it. It's unbelievable that we come this far.

544
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Speaker 1: How did they become such a haven for this then,

545
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Speaker 1: I mean it seems that, like you said, the biggest

546
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: brains in the world are elite institutions should be the

547
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: ones that would want to create this. You've heard the

548
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: word safe space, the safest places in the world where

549
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: kids should be able to go to class and learn

550
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: without fear of being prevented from getting in that class.

551
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Speaker 1: How could they take Why does Harvard take such a

552
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: pro Palestinian. If you want to say it pro hamas

553
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Speaker 1: pro terrorist position.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen. I think that the innocent explanation is

555
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: what I just said. A more cynical explanation is that

556
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: it's about money, and it's you know a guy I know,

557
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: Gary Wexler, big advertising executive for many, many years, and

558
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: in the nineteen eighties, people were saying, you know, Israel

559
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: has a pr problem. And they said, well, let's get

560
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: a bunch of you know, really great ad executives, marketing

561
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: executives that don drapers of our generation to get on

562
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: this problem. And they met, they had all kinds of

563
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: meetings and put together teams and said, well, let's find

564
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: you know, people and gods in the West Bank who

565
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: want to work with us on this and create peace

566
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: because we all want peace, of course, we want peace.

567
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Speaker 3: Israel such a tiny sliver in this massive you know,

568
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Speaker 3: Muslim Arab world. There's so much room there, there's so

569
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: much empty space. What's the big deal having little Israel there?

570
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: And this guy Gary met sort of with his opposite

571
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: number among the Palestinians and said, let's let's find messaging

572
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: that's going to create peace. And they're like, you don't

573
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: get it. That's not what we want, that's not what

574
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: we're looking for. And we and then the guy basically

575
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: explained to him, and Gary said, this is what's happened

576
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: ever since they have central control, huge amounts of money,

577
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: and they kept pounding the message over and over again

578
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: to where it has infected academia. Sorry, it's okay, you know,

579
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: in this massive way, like they funded these departments. Cutter,

580
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: you know, you see is behind five hundred million dollars

581
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: at Texas A and M. Like, what's that about. And

582
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: they're giving more money to Harvard and more money to Colombia,

583
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: and of course that money comes with strings attached, and

584
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: the result is what you're seeing. You know, they're promoting

585
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: this kind of messaging. I'll say one more thing, since

586
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: you brought this up. You know, I grew up in

587
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Speaker 3: New York, New York, and I was Jewish kid, not

588
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: so religious. In that world, The New York Times was

589
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: the bibe. You could count on The New York Times

590
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: to tell the truth. I'll tell you when that changed

591
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: for me. In twenty fourteen, I was in Jerusalem shooting

592
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Speaker 3: some video for our platform, Accidental temudis interviewing modern stages,

593
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: and there was a terrible attack. Two terrorists with hatchets

594
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: came into a synagogue in the early morning during prayers

595
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: and murdered four rabbis, American rabbis, American Jewish rabbis with hatchets,

596
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Speaker 3: I mean, just butchery, and an Arab policeman, a Druze

597
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: Arab policeman, came in, fought them, stopped the killing and

598
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: ended up sacrificing his own life in the effort. So

599
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: five is five people were killed and the two then

600
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: other cops came in and the two terrorists were neutralized.

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Speaker 3: We were all crime. We heard about it very quickly.

602
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: We watched the Israeli news the facts, and then the

603
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: BBC picked it up an hour later and the headline

604
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: was Israeli security forces killed two Palestinians on that story,

605
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: and then CNN picked it up very similarly a couple

606
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Speaker 3: hours later. And when I realized how much the media

607
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: was lying about a story that I was at that

608
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: point personally familiar with. So what else are they lying about?

609
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: And I just realized, you cannot trust a media that

610
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Speaker 3: benefits financially from keeping us terrified and furious at everyone else.

611
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: And if you want to learn what the truth is.

612
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: You got to have multiple sources in triangular Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You one hundred percent right about that cell. And it

614
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Speaker 1: sounds like you're saying that you hold the media culpable

615
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: for an anti Israeli, anti Jewish positioning that they have

616
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Speaker 1: been responsible for creating a head lines and not telling

617
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 1: the truth. Is that accurate?

618
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Speaker 3: Over and over and over again, I mean early since

619
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Speaker 3: October seventh. You know they accused the hospital rite that

620
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Speaker 3: big lie story that New York Times. They do it

621
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 3: over and over again. Everyone knows that the Palestinians are

622
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: launching their rockets from schools and hospitals so that when

623
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Speaker 3: Israel defends itself, these people will sacrifice in innocence, right, women, children,

624
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: et cetera. We know that everybody knows that, but the

625
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: media doesn't report it that way. Why because they're making

626
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Speaker 3: some kind of profit from reporting it this way. And

627
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: you know, this reprieve, this respite that we had after

628
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: the Holocaust that lasted eighty years and Jew haters, you know,

629
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 3: were more underground, it's over. These people are perfectly happy

630
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: to shout their jew hatred from the rooftops.

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Speaker 1: So I'm in this musical adaptation to screen called Mendel's Messiah,

632
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: and it actually opens on Mendel Mosco. What's Who's modern

633
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: day Jewish candy shop owner and his store has been

634
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: vandalized with graffiti swastikas and his windows are broken, and

635
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: he asked, God, why is this happening to me? Why

636
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: is this happening to my people? And he gets to

637
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: go back in time and see you show it and

638
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: in his time to see this, What do you think

639
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: are the roots? Because we could look at it biblically too,

640
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: and since you're an Orthodox Jew, I'm sure you'll you'll

641
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: know a lot about it, the roots of anti Semitism.

642
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: This is nothing new. But I just didn't think America

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Speaker 1: would behaving for it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we didn't think so. We didn't think America will

645
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Speaker 3: behaving for it. You asked me, why do people hate choose?

646
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Speaker 3: What is the historical I mean, it's a terrible thing.

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Speaker 3: It is as old as the hills, and all these

648
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Speaker 3: civilizations that you know, thrive for a short time on

649
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Speaker 3: their jew hatred have disappeared from the world. I guess

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Speaker 3: it's easy to point the finger at other especially if

651
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Speaker 3: you've got a people that tends to come to a

652
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Speaker 3: new place lace and succeed and contribute. Who who were

653
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Speaker 3: We were told by God that we have a special

654
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Speaker 3: mission and we had to stay a little bit apart.

655
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Speaker 3: You know, we eat special foods, we dress a certain way,

656
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Speaker 3: we say separate prayers, and so we're visible, you know,

657
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Speaker 3: and assimilated. You looks like everybody else in Orthodox jew

658
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm normally walking around in a kipa in

659
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Speaker 3: my neighborhood. People are, you know, the black suits, the beards,

660
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Speaker 3: the black hats were visible, And I guess it's easy

661
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Speaker 3: to point the finger at somebody who's visibly different, who's successful,

662
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Speaker 3: and who has been studying. Our people have been studying,

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Speaker 3: you know, how to be wise, how to contribute for

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Speaker 3: thousands of years, and then we get chased out of places,

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe for succeeding too much, and then we

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Speaker 3: start contributing somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, once again, punishment of success. It's unbelievable. Let's go

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Speaker 1: back to Harvard for a second with this with you

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Speaker 1: mentioned it, this Trump action towards Harvard. They want to

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Speaker 1: ensure safety for the students. They want to look at

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Speaker 1: their hiring a admissions policies, make sure they comply and

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Speaker 1: are fair make sure their mission is up to snuff,

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Speaker 1: and have viewpoint diversity. As you mentioned, does any of

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Speaker 1: what you see that the Trump administration wants out of

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Speaker 1: Harvard seem unreasonable to you? Does any of it go

676
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Speaker 1: too far?

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Speaker 3: None of it? None of it. I mean you know,

678
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Speaker 3: when you read that letter, you can say, well, there's

679
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Speaker 3: a lot of demands here because those all the issues

680
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: that you name are very reasonable and what the government

681
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Speaker 3: is saying, and we want to see that you're making

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Speaker 3: progress on. Now this university, who's not used to having

683
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Speaker 3: to be accountable for itself, is like, well, what does

684
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Speaker 3: that mean that there, we're going to be accountable. We

685
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Speaker 3: don't have to show who we're hiring, we have to

686
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Speaker 3: show who we're admitting. I mean famously, they were sued

687
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Speaker 3: by an Asian American group for discriminating against Asian American Yes, right,

688
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: and they're saying that in all their DEI admissions. I mean,

689
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Speaker 3: who's really paying the price? Asian America is very similar

690
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Speaker 3: to the Jews. I mean, they come here determined to succeed.

691
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Speaker 3: They work really really hard to get very high test

692
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Speaker 3: scores and would and be totally overrepresented at Harvard if

693
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Speaker 3: it was a meritocracy of admissions, and it was a

694
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Speaker 3: big lawsuit about that, and so Harvard did not want

695
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Speaker 3: to reveal those kinds of numbers, and they don't want

696
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Speaker 3: to reveal the kinds of numbers that will come out

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Speaker 3: as a result of these demands.

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Speaker 1: Now, okay, so let's touch on that because I seal

699
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Speaker 1: I've been getting emails from my own alma mater's president

700
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Speaker 1: saying that the administration is endangering precious, precious research dollars,

701
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Speaker 1: the things that we need to advance humanity, to advance society.

702
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Speaker 1: And I'm amazed that Jewish presidents of universities like my

703
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Speaker 1: own and even some Hellal groups are against Trump's actions. Now,

704
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Speaker 1: you touched on it a minute ago when you said

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Speaker 1: there may be a financial reason. For instance, Northwestern does

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Speaker 1: have an adjunct campus and Cutter. That's interesting, right, Yeah,

707
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Speaker 1: why would why even would would Jewish student groups like

708
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Speaker 1: Hellal groups? Why would they oppose this is what do

709
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Speaker 1: they not like about trying to protect Jewish students on

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Speaker 1: campus and fair standards.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're going to be honest. Trump derangement syndrome. Okay,

712
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Speaker 3: if the president had a different name, it would probably

713
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Speaker 3: be Okay, So if Joe.

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Speaker 1: Biden Er Barack Obama had done the same thing and said,

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Speaker 1: I want to protect Jewish students. I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure they can get to class. I want to get

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Speaker 1: rid of pro Palestinine pro Gaza supporters because they represent

718
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Speaker 1: tyranny and terrorism and death that would be celebrated.

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Speaker 3: You're saying, right, of course, of course.

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Speaker 1: That's very unfortunate. I was hoping you'd give me a

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Speaker 1: better outlook than that, But it seems that what you're

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Speaker 1: saying is unfortunately true. And I would say that about

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Speaker 1: the de Ipolosi. I think it was an Asian American

724
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Speaker 1: guy named Kenny schu who is part of a lawsuit

725
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Speaker 1: against Harvard for discrimination against Asian students because his scores

726
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Speaker 1: were better than everybody else, but he couldn't get in.

727
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Speaker 1: Is there any devil Devil's Advocate mission moment here for

728
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Speaker 1: Harvard to say, it's our university. We can do what

729
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Speaker 1: we want, we can do what we please. My guess

730
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Speaker 1: is no, because as long as federal funding is attached,

731
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Speaker 1: the federal government is allowed to ask questions.

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Speaker 3: Right, they can absolutely say that. But if they're going

733
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Speaker 3: to take the federal money, then there's going to be

734
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Speaker 3: some accountability according to federal laws and federal standards. Now

735
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Speaker 3: there's another side to this. I mean, listen, Harvard has

736
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Speaker 3: a lot of scientific research, medical research that has produced

737
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Speaker 3: wonderful advances. You know that people are genuinely benefiting from

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Speaker 3: cancer's cure treatments that are important, et cetera. And you

739
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Speaker 3: do want to be careful about how intrusive the government

740
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Speaker 3: is going to be about that. But what there has

741
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Speaker 3: to be is some kind of working together and acknowledging

742
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Speaker 3: that there is a problem. And there is an anti

743
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Speaker 3: Semitism problem at Harvard, at Columbia, at Northwestern, at all

744
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Speaker 3: these schools. Uh, there's just a coddling of the anti

745
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Speaker 3: Israel groups and a lack of protection for the Jews.

746
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Speaker 1: Well, let's shift gears for a moment. I do want

747
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Speaker 1: to talk about some of your projects, because I know

748
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Speaker 1: you had the hat on their guns and Moses and

749
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Speaker 1: and you've got tell me when do we eat?

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Speaker 3: You know?

751
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Speaker 1: Sally, I was in this this musical two years ago

752
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Speaker 1: in Nashville called Guess Who's Coming to Satyr. It was

753
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Speaker 1: a fun twist on how this this lady who had

754
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Speaker 1: this had married a boy and she was trying to

755
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Speaker 1: figure out how to have this sat or. She didn't

756
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Speaker 1: know how and was trying to channel her ancestors to

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Speaker 1: do it. And there was an atheist there, a Methodist,

758
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Speaker 1: a Buddhist, there were all these different people from different

759
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Speaker 1: faiths there what is tell me a little bit about

760
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Speaker 1: when do We Eat? And your hat there as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so When Do We Eat? Was our first film,

762
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Speaker 3: my wife and I, and we hoped it would become

763
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Speaker 3: the Jewish. It's a wonderful life. It's a pretty broad

764
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Speaker 3: comedy set around a satyr, very dysfunctional family and one

765
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Speaker 3: of the kids, Slip's dad, at dose of a very

766
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Speaker 3: strong hallucinogen makes Dad thinks he, you know, very authoritarian dad,

767
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Speaker 3: and Nasa suddenly he's Moses and open to the kinds

768
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: of healing that this family needs. And over time, thank God,

769
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Speaker 3: it has become exactly that. Just lots and lots of

770
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Speaker 3: people around the world watch it every year as Passover

771
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Speaker 3: as Approaching was Jack Klugman's final movie. I discovered Max

772
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Speaker 3: Greenfield and Ben Feldman, Shearweye Apple be great performance, Leslie

773
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Speaker 3: and Warren Michael Lerner and people love it. It's a

774
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Speaker 3: broad comedy that also has deep spiritual teachings, and we're

775
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 3: just so proud of it and the way that it's

776
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: gotten out there and become a cult classic. Our new movie,

777
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Speaker 3: Guns and Moses is an action thriller, and it's a

778
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Speaker 3: story of a beloved rabbi in a small town who

779
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: is forced to become a gunfighter, becomes an unlikely gunfighter

780
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Speaker 3: after his community is violently attacked, starring Mark Foyerstein, Neil McDonough,

781
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Speaker 3: Christopher Lloyd Dermott mulroney alone.

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Speaker 1: Of tal Well.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we shot it at the end of

784
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. Takes a long time to make a movie,

785
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: cut it, bring it to market. It's coming out in

786
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: theaters across America July eighteenth. But when we shot it,

787
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: we never imagined anything like October seventh. We knew that

788
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: Jews under attack who fight back would always be relevant.

789
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Speaker 3: But what's happened in the world and since October seventh unbelievable,

790
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Speaker 3: you know, as a danger level has been rising over

791
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: the years, maybe shot up after October seventh, but it

792
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: was already there here in our Orthodox community. You know,

793
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: we take our safety seriously, never again. Thank God we

794
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: have allies, but also us we have to take responsibility

795
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Speaker 3: for our own protection. Like the rabbi in the movie,

796
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Speaker 3: I was not a gun guy, but I joined an

797
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: organization that trains and licenses us volunteers so that we

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Speaker 3: can carry a firearm in synagogue. And please God, we

799
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Speaker 3: should never need the skills that we have, and we

800
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Speaker 3: trained so much to pass the qualifications. They're tougher than

801
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: a FBI agents have to pass. But we will not

802
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: be a soft target. And so the training and the

803
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: movie the Rabbi goes through is authentic firearms training, and

804
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: but we're also able to explore beautiful themes. You know,

805
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Speaker 3: the Rabbi says, in a place where there are no men,

806
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: strive to be the man. You know, sometimes you have

807
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: to decide that there's a problem that only if I

808
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: don't solve it, no one will. Right, there's a there's

809
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Speaker 3: you know. The original commandment is the first commandment that

810
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Speaker 3: was ever given into the world, is be fruitful and multiply.

811
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Speaker 3: And if that only meant have children, that would have

812
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: suffice to say, multiply, what does be fruitful me? It

813
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: means that you know, each of us, we don't have souls,

814
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Speaker 3: we are souls. We have bodies, and we have bodies

815
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Speaker 3: because we're sent into this world to accomplish something. And

816
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: if you keep asking yourself, you know, what is the

817
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 3: gift that only I can give the world, What is

818
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Speaker 3: the contribution that only I can make? What is the problem?

819
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Speaker 3: If I don't solve it, no one will solve it.

820
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Speaker 3: Then your mission begins to come into focus. That's kind

821
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Speaker 3: of question that the Rabbi asked in the movie, and

822
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Speaker 3: it's a question that we all have to ask ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am into that. I think that was That's fantastic,

824
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Speaker 1: Guns and Moses. That sounds extremely interesting. Sol. Tell me,

825
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Speaker 1: let's talk about a minute about Jewish humor.

826
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Speaker 2: What is it?

827
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Speaker 1: Where did it come from? I mean, what are the

828
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Speaker 1: the innate qualities of it? I'm learning this because of

829
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Speaker 1: this project that I'm in right now, which is written

830
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: by a Jewish couple. And there's jokes that happened along

831
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Speaker 1: the way that I mean, I get them, but I

832
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Speaker 1: mean there's just certain things that may be intrinsic to

833
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Speaker 1: the culture. Speak a little bit about that, because I

834
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Speaker 1: know you've got this book letting my people laugh. So

835
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Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about Jewish humor.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've had so many highs and lows and

837
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Speaker 3: a lot of those thousands of years. We're very ancient people,

838
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: and it's always been part of the culture that we laugh,

839
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: and we laugh at ourselves and we laugh our situation,

840
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: and it keeps us going in the darkest of times,

841
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: and it's funny. The oldest recorded joke is in the Bible.

842
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: It's Exodus fourteen eleven. We've come out of Egypt with

843
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: signs and wonders. We find ourselves with our back to

844
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Speaker 3: the sea, and the most powerful army in the world,

845
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: Pharaoh and his chariots riding at us to kill us.

846
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Speaker 3: And the leaders turned to Moses and said, there weren't

847
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Speaker 3: enough graves in Egypt. You brought us out here to

848
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Speaker 3: die in the desert here, you know, shloin me from

849
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: Brooklyn saying the same thing, right, And that sense of

850
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: humor has just always been with us. There's just an

851
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Speaker 3: irony to it. You know. If you want to make

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Speaker 3: that much more modernized, well, this is the book let,

853
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 3: my people, that greatest your jokes of all time. There's classics,

854
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Speaker 3: there's lesser known. I've adapted them all to the modern ear.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, for example, we've been talking a

856
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Speaker 3: lot of politics So a rabbi and a Hindu priest

857
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: and a politician go hiking. They got a lost. They

858
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Speaker 3: end up knocking on a farmer's door. Can we spend

859
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Speaker 3: the night, sure, no problem, but I only have a

860
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Speaker 3: small bedroom with two beds one. Are you just gonna

861
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Speaker 3: have to sleep in the barn? Hindu priest says, it's

862
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: no problem, I'll take the barn. The rabbi and the

863
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Speaker 3: politician settling down for the night, and there's a knock

864
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Speaker 3: on the bedroom door. It's the Hindu priest. He says,

865
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, there's a cow in the barn. I can't

866
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Speaker 3: sleep beside a holy animal. The rabbi says, no problem,

867
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Speaker 3: I'll take the barn. What is this camera doing. I'm sorry,

868
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Speaker 3: uh the uh, And so the rabbi goes out to

869
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Speaker 3: the barn. A few minutes later, there's a knock on

870
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Speaker 3: the bedroom door, and the rabbi says, I'm sorry, my friends,

871
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: there's a pig in the barn. I can't sleep next

872
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: to that animal. Politician says, let it be remembered. I

873
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: sacrificed for the greater good. He goes out to the barn.

874
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 3: A few minutes later, there's a knock on the bedroom door.

875
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Speaker 3: It's the cow and the pig.

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Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. So that's good. You know, I've

877
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Speaker 1: I followed. I'll admit that I'm a fan of Larry

878
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: David because of Curby your enthusiasm. I would wager that

879
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: that's there's a lot of Jewish humor in there. What

880
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: amazes me about Larry David, though, is he's he's just

881
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: a he's a he's just a committed leftist. And he

882
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: got really mad at Bill Maher for going and meeting

883
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: with Trump. And as you probably know, Bill Maher said, listen,

884
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: all the things that you thought were crazy about this

885
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: man I didn't see at least on that night. He

886
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: lambasted him for just going. Why Why is Larry David,

887
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: who I do consider to be pretty funny at least

888
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: from time to time. He has a good sense of humor,

889
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: He's written some good material. Why is he Why does

890
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: he have the TDS?

891
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: You think you'd be smart enough to know better, and

892
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,959
Speaker 3: to say number one, Bill can go and break bread

893
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: with somebody and find out what he's all about. And

894
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: what's that going to hurt?

895
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: Right?

896
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: Uh, it's hard to understand, but you know, I had

897
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: my podcast and I had Alan Dershowitz on, and you know,

898
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 3: Larry David said to Dershowitz after he you know, worked

899
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: with Trump on something, same idea, you know, wouldn't talk

900
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 3: to him led the residence, I guess of Martha's vineyard,

901
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 3: you know, to to ostracize Alan Dershowitz. Alan can take it,

902
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: but it seems to be the kind of climate we're in.

903
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 3: It's funny. When I had Alan on, I told him

904
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: that when I was at Harvard, when I was an undergrad,

905
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: a friend and I went and visited his class and

906
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: Dershowitz was actually teaching one of the cases that he

907
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: had argued in front of the Supreme Court about two

908
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: kids seventeen and nineteen African American who had helped would

909
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: be manipulated by the father to help him break out

910
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: of prison, and in the course of that breakout, a

911
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 3: guard was murdered. So now the sons were being tried

912
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: for a death penalty case. And he asked, you know,

913
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: a student in his second year constitutional law class to

914
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: argue for the death penalty. And then Dershowitz says, yes,

915
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: well have you considered, And then he made an unbelievable

916
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: ten minute argument against the death penalty that made me

917
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: feel like, my god, if we live in a country

918
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 3: with the death penalty, where uncivilized savages, we can have

919
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: a death penalty. Then he asked the student to make

920
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: an argument against the death penalty. Student, yeah, summarizes what

921
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: Dershi has just said. He says, have you considered? And

922
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: then he made an argument for ten minutes in favor

923
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 3: of the death penalty that let me feeling in my

924
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 3: heart like if you don't have a death penalty, you've

925
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 3: got no society, you've got no chance at the future.

926
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: Unbelievable advocacy. And I was like feeling like, wow, you

927
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: ever go to trial, you need a great lawyer. But

928
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: when I told Dershowitz this, he said, yeah, and now

929
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 3: you can't teach that way. You can't argue both sides

930
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: of any issue in order to teach people how to

931
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: be an effective advocate, because if it's the wrong side

932
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: on some kind of an argument that triggers these students,

933
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: then the professor gets fired, gets canceled, etc. And so

934
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: places like Harvard have just lost this ability to be

935
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: objective and to learn how to analyze an issue from

936
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Speaker 3: all sides.

937
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, It amazes me, Sal because I remember, I don't

938
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Speaker 1: know if you remember the episode or you've seen it,

939
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: about when when Larry goes to he wants to eat

940
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: at the Palestinian Chicken, he would rather go eat Palestinian

941
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: chicken and and and fraternize with the Palestinian woman that's that,

942
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: that's the owner there. Then he would sit down with

943
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And I find that amazing because as a comedian,

944
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: as you know very well, being one and writing this

945
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: way that comedians that there's a certain protection level for comedy.

946
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: There has to be an open mindedness. But as you

947
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: just said, if Dershwood saying I can't even argue this

948
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: way because it might be too sensitive for some people, well,

949
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: Palestinian Chicken is funny until you tell the Jewish students, well,

950
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: if you go do that, you'll get killed because they

951
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: don't care about you, you know, And that's the reality.

952
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: I would think a guy like Larry David could recognize

953
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: that and say, listen, my people are at risk of

954
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: death for even making a joke like this. And I'm

955
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: a comedian and I have a need to protect the

956
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: First Amendment and my ability to write jokes like this

957
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: that seem absurd, but yet he doesn't believe in a

958
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: man who reput the embassy back in Jerusalem. It blows

959
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: my mind.

960
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 3: It blows my mind. And somebody who look at what

961
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 3: happened in Paris a few years ago, right, a humor

962
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: magazine offended a certain part of the population and then

963
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: you know, some massive mass murder was the answer. I mean,

964
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: you know, whose side are you on? Where does justice

965
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: and truth lie? And if you're a comedian and you

966
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 3: can't you know see that we need to be able

967
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: to talk about both sides and make jokes about both sides.

968
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 3: That's crazy, It's just crazy. It is.

969
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: Well, sal I want to wrap this up with you

970
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: by saying it's been so enjoyable to have you on

971
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: and to discuss everything under the sun. You've eve enlightened

972
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: me about Jewish humor, about the plight really of Israel

973
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: and the Jewish people, and how really in America, I

974
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: think you said you said that it was a disgrace

975
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: like Trump had said what Harvard is, and I think

976
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: that's a really unfortunate state of affairs that we have

977
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: to say that. But I don't know if there's any

978
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: other president that would take this cause on and that's

979
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: sad because they should so I appreciate.

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Speaker 4: And he's moving fast and breaking things and not everything's

981
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 4: going to go perfect, that's right, but at least he's

982
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 4: taking on issues that haven't been taken on before by

983
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 4: the government, and let's see where it goes.

984
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, I think we can all

985
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: have a lot of hope that all of us are

986
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: going to see improvement that really benefits everybody in the

987
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: next few years. That's my prayer.

988
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: I agree, Seal, and I say that prayer with you,

989
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: so I'll look back. So thank you so much for

990
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: being with me today on the Bow Show, and God

991
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: speed to you and God bless oh Man.

992
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Speaker 3: Great to be with you, Bill, Thanks for having me