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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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Speaker 2: and speaker.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician,

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Speaker 3: writer and course creator. We are two working parents who

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Speaker 3: love our careers and our families.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about

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Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.

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Speaker 2: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long.

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Speaker 1: Term career goals.

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Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura.

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Speaker 2: This episode is airing in early August of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: We are going to be talking wellness trends, what is

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Speaker 2: hot in the world of wellness today, and whether we

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Speaker 2: are trying any of these said trends. And then we

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Speaker 2: are also going to pivot into a discussion of how

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Speaker 2: to reset. A lot of wellness is about getting a

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Speaker 2: fresh start, but there are lots of ways one can

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Speaker 2: have a fresh start in life. So if you are

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Speaker 2: looking for that at this time of year, summer, we

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Speaker 2: will be discussing ways to do that. So, Sarah, this

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Speaker 2: episode is your baby.

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Speaker 3: I am in charge today and why am I in charge?

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Speaker 1: Because Laura may.

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Speaker 3: Or may not be that excited about very many well

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Speaker 3: on this trends, as you are about to find out.

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Speaker 3: But I thought it was an interesting topic because people

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Speaker 3: are always debating this stuff.

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Speaker 1: At the water cooler.

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Speaker 3: You know, this or that protein or fat, macrocounting or that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, and I just thought it would be

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Speaker 3: interesting to do an episode where we did a rundown

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Speaker 3: on our thoughts about various things, either because we've tried

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Speaker 3: them or just because we've thought about them. And this

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Speaker 3: is not supposed to be an episode with medical recommendations

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Speaker 3: or like the end all be all, like we are right,

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Speaker 3: we know the answer to these things. But I think

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Speaker 3: with any of this kind of I don't know, trending

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Speaker 3: thing that you might want to try, it's always interesting

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Speaker 3: to hear different perspectives, and so you're going to provide

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Speaker 3: those today because fun fact, Laura and I don't always

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Speaker 3: share the same perspective on all of these wellness trends,

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Speaker 3: although sometimes we do.

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Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, fun fact, I actually recently reviewed a book

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Speaker 2: for The Wall Street Journal by Amy Larroca called How

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Speaker 2: to Be Well that was on wellness trends. She's a

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Speaker 2: long time magazine editor who wrote a book that was

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Speaker 2: kind of skewering a lot of various wellness trends.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty funny.

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Speaker 2: She tried out various things that sound terrible, like colonics

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Speaker 2: and making fun of the various It was mostly about

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Speaker 2: the wellness trends aimed at women. She was pointing out

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Speaker 2: that in the past, women were pressured to be skinny.

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Speaker 2: Now you need to be skinny and have this glow

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Speaker 2: that's obtained through like your vegan food and clean makeup

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Speaker 1: And it may seem a little bit more empowering, but

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Speaker 2: It is exactly the same idea of making you conform

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Speaker 2: Although some of this is aimed at men too. There

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Speaker 1: A lot of that is this may be the first

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Speaker 1: I love that part. Can we add it in.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Actually, I'm going to give you my hot take

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Speaker 3: on that, which is that like it's information, it's information, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Of data to actually support that, and yet some of

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Speaker 3: But I also feel like if it shows you which foods,

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Well, moving on from there, All right, Sarah,

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Speaker 3: We're just gonna start with a really easy one, easier

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Speaker 3: that is cold plunges.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a whole other episode on cold.

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Speaker 3: Plunges, the Cold Plunge episode where we do a live

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Speaker 3: cold plunge on the Yeah, I love it for you

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Speaker 3: if you love cold plunges, but I am gonna live

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Speaker 3: I do like going from like a hot hot tub

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Speaker 3: But I'm I've read some of the like I looked

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Speaker 3: I think if you love them, you should do them.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think you should expect some sort of

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Speaker 1: I hate being cold in general, so not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: There are places that actually in addition to like cold

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, okay. Moving on protein.

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Speaker 3: Protein is an interesting one because I do read some

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Speaker 3: And then I see other things that are like for

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Speaker 3: you know, a really good amount of protein, and I

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Speaker 3: of like protein. I'm on the protein train. I feel

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Speaker 1: It doesn't always have to be meat either.

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Speaker 3: There's like some reasonable sources of protein that are either

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Speaker 1: So I guess I'm pro protein.

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Speaker 2: Laura, Well, how about this, like if somebody was trying

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Speaker 2: when you're saying I wasn't getting enough protein at different

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 3: So well, first of all, I think actually Knowing what

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Speaker 3: For me, that seems to have benefit. Plus the idea

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Speaker 3: It was like thirty grams of protein or some huge amount.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is in the category of things I'm not

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Speaker 1: But then I probably eat.

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Speaker 2: That We're struggling with this with the picky eater in

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Speaker 2: what can you do, Like, there's only so many forms

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Speaker 3: Although knowing his preferences, some of them do have protein, Like.

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Speaker 2: Well, chicken nuggets, yes, I mean, I guess you can

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Speaker 2: you could do cheese sticks. There's a lot of cheese

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Speaker 2: being consumed. I can tell you that piles of individually

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Speaker 3: They're keeping him alive and growing, keeping.

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Speaker 1: Him alive like that. The chicken nuggets, well, that is

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Speaker 2: But how about the sticks? Well, should we take a

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Speaker 2: we are back talking wellness trends and then ways to reset. Sarah,

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Speaker 2: what about lifting weights?

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Speaker 1: But again, if you love it, then I love it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although I feel like you can wind up carrying

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Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like more fun?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a that's the original weighted vest.

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Speaker 2: That's the original weight invest like put your offspring on

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Speaker 3: No, all right, well we're not we're not big fans,

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Speaker 1: But everything is.

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Speaker 3: Clean, girl. Oh that's so clean girl. And it's like

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Speaker 2: That's not the clean girl aesthetic. No, the messy girl,

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Speaker 2: Read some magazine for a while that they kept talking

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Speaker 3: I don't like that phrase even, like what what does?

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Speaker 3: Dirty and that's you know, we have immune systems to

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Speaker 2: Well, but the idea being that trying to eat mostly

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Speaker 3: Like dies or well that I don't have a chemicals

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Speaker 1: Up to yeah girl, Yeah, absolutely, all right.

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Speaker 3: All right, well here comes the juicy one GLP one medications.

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Speaker 3: Okay, spoiler that I included this because I notice that,

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Speaker 1: Like do I take it? How much? Do I take it?

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Speaker 3: Like it's just like another layer of and you have

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Speaker 2: be worth it.

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Speaker 1: For that, but who knows. Maybe people will change over time.

445
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Speaker 2: What the drugs are out there, maybe there will be

446
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Speaker 2: some sort of lifestyle version of it that's lighter, that

447
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 2: only has a take.

448
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Speaker 3: A little bit of the Yeah, there's oral Novo Nordis

449
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 3: has an oral one on the pipeline that's supposed to

450
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Speaker 3: be a lot weaker. And then there's also like a

451
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Speaker 3: turbocharged another injectable coming down the pike, and I'm sure

452
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Speaker 3: that's just a tip of the iceberg.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well early days of that. I mean, it's

455
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Speaker 2: so good that there at least is something, though, I mean,

456
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, that's where I've seen. I'm so fascinated

457
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: because before these drugs existed, I think you're getting into

458
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Speaker 2: this space where there was the body positivity movement, which

459
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Speaker 2: I'm in general all about body positivity, and then some

460
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Speaker 2: of those body positivity influencers suddenly got really really skinny, right,

461
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Speaker 2: It is like, okay, so it actually wasn't a philosophical position.

462
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Speaker 2: It was that the current trade offs required to get

463
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Speaker 2: that physique, it would have taken so much time and

464
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Speaker 2: effort and unpleasantness, like in mental space, that it wasn't

465
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Speaker 2: worth it.

466
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Speaker 3: I would think that would be really hard for some

467
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Speaker 3: of them because if you've built your lovelihood around that.

468
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Speaker 3: Then you're like, I want to use these MUDs, but

469
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Speaker 3: I can't because then I'm gonna lose my I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: I think people still, I mean a lot of people,

471
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Speaker 2: even who are body positivities.

472
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Speaker 1: If want to be skinny, I don't know, obviously.

473
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Speaker 3: But I will still follow this world, and I am

474
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Speaker 3: not sad that I'm staying out of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. All Right, Well, we're gonna take one

476
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Speaker 2: more quick ad break and then we'll be back with

477
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Speaker 2: maybe tiny bit more on wellness and getting to our

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Speaker 2: reset part of this episode.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll take that down break. All right, we're back.

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Speaker 3: Turns out we have a lot to say about wellness

481
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Speaker 3: because we are far into the episode, all right, but

482
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Speaker 3: we cannot leave wellness without talking about meditation definitely has

483
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Speaker 3: been trending for at least the last few decades. I

484
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Speaker 3: guess that's a weird thing to say about, like an

485
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Speaker 3: art practation practice that's like part of actual religions, But

486
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Speaker 3: it's also true and probably not a insignificant market share

487
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Speaker 3: when you think of all the apps and things that

488
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Speaker 3: people do.

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Speaker 1: I like it, firstly, I like it.

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Speaker 3: I don't see it as a magic bullet. I see

491
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Speaker 3: it as a little vitamin.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I have not ever decided to make

493
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Speaker 2: this a part of my life, like an actual practice.

494
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Speaker 1: Maybe it would have benefits. I don't know.

495
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Speaker 2: I often will go out and walk or run and

496
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Speaker 2: let my mind wander while I'm doing that. Like I

497
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Speaker 2: don't listen to music, so I have some of that

498
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Speaker 2: time that I think is what people are getting at

499
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Speaker 2: with meditation.

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Speaker 1: Totally.

501
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't think there's magic. I think

502
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Speaker 3: I enjoy it, like I enjoy the practice of sitting

503
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Speaker 3: down and like being peaceful and like letting my mind

504
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Speaker 3: slow down. I think if I found it torturous, there

505
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 3: probably would not be as much well a benefit. But

506
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Speaker 3: be readson to continue because I don't think it's like, oh,

507
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: this is magically doing something. But I think it can

508
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Speaker 3: be an enjoyable way to practice, an enjoyable part of

509
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Speaker 3: your routine that might have some lingering positive things for me.

510
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay, wearables, Sarah, wearables, are you on that?

511
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Speaker 1: Yes? And no. I have an Apple Watch.

512
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Speaker 3: I really love how it just keeps telling me all

513
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 3: sorts of things like, oh my god, your cardio fitness

514
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: is going down. And you used to do more activity

515
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: and you should just keep moving more. And I'm like, well,

516
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: if you were really that smart, you would know better.

517
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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I still like my Apple Watch.

518
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Speaker 3: I don't really care that much about all the things

519
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: that it's tracking, so I guess, yeah, I'm like here

520
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: nor there. I think steps can be a really helpful

521
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Speaker 3: thing to track for certain people. And I like the

522
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Speaker 3: fact that I can get any kidge at any time.

523
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Speaker 1: It's very convenient. I've never worn an or ring.

524
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Speaker 3: I feel like I would enjoy wearing one to find

525
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Speaker 3: out what it thought about my sleep for like a week,

526
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Speaker 3: but then i'd want to give it back. But some

527
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Speaker 3: people love them. And I will say my husband is

528
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Speaker 3: an unexpected like he's the kind of person who just

529
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Speaker 3: like every single one of these things we're talking about.

530
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Speaker 3: He's like, eh, but he had a running watch that

531
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Speaker 3: tracked sleep and he was like, actually, that was helpful,

532
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Speaker 3: and it changed a little bit about how he was

533
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Speaker 3: trying to sleep because it told him that he had

534
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Speaker 3: like no sleep pat in at all.

535
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Speaker 1: And he's like, well, that's not good.

536
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Speaker 3: I don't know why he didn't realize that without the watch,

537
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: but he didn't, and so it actually was helpful for him,

538
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Speaker 3: and so your mileage may vary.

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Speaker 1: Don't expect miracles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the step counter, I mean, if you have

541
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Speaker 2: your phone on you a lot of the day, I

542
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Speaker 2: mean a phone is tracking your steps, like the iPhone

543
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Speaker 2: is and the health.

544
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Speaker 1: But I don't have it on me.

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Speaker 3: It's always sitting on various desks and I'm walking around,

546
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Speaker 3: so that is I.

547
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Speaker 2: Mean, mine's not with me in my office or like

548
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Speaker 2: from walking back and forth to the kitchen necessarily, but

549
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Speaker 2: a lot of the major like moving around in the

550
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Speaker 2: day would be recorded on it.

551
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that gets a lot of it.

552
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Speaker 2: So you kind of already have that from the step perspective, Yeah,

553
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Speaker 2: I haven't.

554
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Speaker 1: I mean I tracked my time.

555
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Speaker 2: I mean people know that I track my time pretty religiously,

556
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Speaker 2: but have not decided to have any wearables doing it

557
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Speaker 2: for me.

558
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Speaker 1: So I track my sleep without it. I guess it

559
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Speaker 1: seems like it's good enough sleep.

560
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Speaker 2: I haven't haven't needed to do that, all right, maybe

561
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Speaker 2: one or two more?

562
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Speaker 1: Do we have to do? Both of these? I mean

563
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Speaker 1: they're very fine.

564
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Speaker 3: Digital detoxing, Laura, I like my digital devices.

565
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

566
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Speaker 2: I think you just have to decide how you're going

567
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Speaker 2: to deal with it, and if you, it's what I say, like,

568
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: make sure you have enough effortful fun in your life

569
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Speaker 2: that the effortless variety of fun is not the only

570
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Speaker 2: thing you are doing. A lot of people spend more

571
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Speaker 2: time than they think they are spending on their phones,

572
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Speaker 2: looking at social media, reading headlines. Those are electronic hobbies,

573
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: like we could just call them electronic hobbies. And you

574
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Speaker 2: are devoting perhaps hours a day to your electronic hobbies,

575
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Speaker 2: and so maybe you can decide, well, is that what

576
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Speaker 2: I want to be my primary hobby or I rather

577
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: have something else like reading, calling friends, doing puzzles, knitting,

578
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: arts and crafts, playing a musical instrument. All those other

579
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: things might be things that you could do in some

580
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: of that discretionary time as well, And that's certainly what

581
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Speaker 2: I try to do.

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Speaker 3: I think it is my favorite favorite digital detox modality

583
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: is do something else, Like fully do something else so

584
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: that you're not But I will say, as I drop

585
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: my kids off at camp today, my older kids were like,

586
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: we're excited not to have screens, So I don't know.

587
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: I also think the idea of taking a vacation where

588
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm totally unreachable and off the grid, although that has

589
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: lusted with screen use and more to do with is

590
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 3: just like everyone leave me alone is very appealing. So

591
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Speaker 3: I guess if I could have like a protected digital

592
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: detox of some sort, I would totally do it. Otherwise,

593
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 3: I think I agree with Laura's take on things. And

594
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: then finally, we cannot end a wellness episode without asking

595
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: about life coaches.

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Speaker 1: Oh, dear Sarah, do you have thoughts?

597
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: Yes and no, I don't feel as like, okay, if

598
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: a life coach is a person that is going to

599
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: get you to really think through what you want and

600
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: maybe think through how various goals are not being met

601
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Speaker 3: and troubleshoot around that. I actually took like a wellness

602
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: coaching certification at one point. It was we were setting

603
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: something up for residents and so it was covered and

604
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 3: I did it.

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Speaker 1: It's called well.

606
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Speaker 3: Coaches, And I mean, I can see the value in that,

607
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 3: just like I see the value in like the fact

608
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: that some people land with me and I'm helping them

609
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: to do a specific thing and give themselves time to

610
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: think through things that they weren't going to give themselves.

611
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: However, that is like great.

612
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: And then we have a lot of coaches who either

613
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: are trying to be a sub for therapy and kind

614
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: of telling people that they'll fix everything, and then others

615
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: who are selling very unrealistic things, especially financial things like

616
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: I will make you rich as long as you pay

617
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Speaker 3: me a lot of money, and I will make you

618
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: rich by turning you into a coach, which I'm like,

619
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: that is the pyramidius pyramid. Ever, like, how is that

620
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: not labeled a pyramid, because like there's only going to

621
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: be so many coaches and coaches in the world, and

622
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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, like if you're not

623
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: one of those early coaches, like you are just okay,

624
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: so you get what I'm saying. So I guess just

625
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: be very very careful out there. But I don't think

626
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: the whole field is bad. I think some people probably

627
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: you know, like I wouldn't even say no, would I

628
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: never work with a life coach, like a one on

629
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Speaker 3: one individual type of relationship. That's just more like protected

630
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: guided thought than it is I'm expecting miracles from this

631
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: person who's going to give them all to me.

632
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say just be careful out there, right, Like

633
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: cold plunge whatever is not going to do anything to you.

634
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of snake oil in the form

635
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: of people wanting to make a buck in this field,

636
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 2: as people want to make money in any field, but

637
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily very clear who's helpful and who isn't.

638
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: If you are going to go with one, make sure.

639
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: You've vetted the person and have like friends or colleagues

640
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: who find them really helpful in a very concrete way,

641
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: like they can point to something they have done differently

642
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: as a result and view it with the goal of, Yes,

643
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: I want a person to hold me accountable and I

644
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: want protected time to think through my goals, and this

645
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: is the way I'm going to get that in my life.

646
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: And I know that about myself. I think then it

647
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: could work.

648
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: But otherwise, yeah, I'm not sure that that's a great idea.

649
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: I don't think it should cost thousands of dollars either.

650
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: I just don't like, I don't think there's anyone worth that.

651
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I was reading I've a book. I

652
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: won't mention the title because it's a popular one, but

653
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: about somebody who paid many, many, many tens of thousand

654
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: dollars to a particular coach with the idea that it

655
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: was then going to force her to hustle and build

656
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: the business too.

657
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: Oh, they should have just paid me.

658
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: I would have happily forced her to hustle.

659
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

660
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: Interesting, let's just say that you will never read that

661
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: in one of myself help books. So we have a

662
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: different approach in life. I'm not going to pay someone

663
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Speaker 2: a bunch to the enforce me to hustle. That will

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Speaker 2: not be happening, like to decide on my own when

665
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Speaker 2: I'm going to hustle. So, anyway, ways to reset? So

666
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Speaker 2: we kind of thought we'd make a combo episode. I

667
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Speaker 2: guess maybe because I thought there wasn't enough to say

668
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Speaker 2: about wellness. But Sarah likes the topic.

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Speaker 1: More than I do, so we're just going to do

670
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Speaker 1: a lightning round. So a lot of wellness is about

671
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Speaker 1: ways to.

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Speaker 2: Feel sort of fresh, new sense of possibility, and so

673
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Speaker 2: we're talking about what are some ways that we do

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Speaker 2: look to reset in life? If you're looking for a reset,

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Speaker 2: what can you do? So, Sarah, you have some sort

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Speaker 2: of daily rituals that help with this, right.

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Speaker 3: I find that setting up my planner page every day

678
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Speaker 3: and like migrating my task from the day before and

679
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Speaker 3: like sort of closing that day, Like my whole morning

680
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: thing provides a really really nice reset. And it's one

681
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Speaker 3: reason that I really like daily planners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I do. I mean I plan weekly. I

683
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Speaker 2: mean I do give myself a to do list for

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Speaker 2: each day. Like so at the end of each day,

685
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Speaker 2: a fresh area, a fresh area, make myself a to

686
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Speaker 2: do list for the next day, and then each day

687
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Speaker 2: is in fact a fresh start. I love the idea

688
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Speaker 2: of the day starting and you get your coffee and

689
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Speaker 2: you sit down and it's all open. On Monday morning,

690
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Speaker 2: I look at my time log for the next week

691
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Speaker 2: and it's all open. But one of the reasons I

692
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Speaker 2: like my weekly planning is well, whatever happened this week,

693
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Speaker 2: whatever I've gotten done. Next week is a new week,

694
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Speaker 2: and here are the things I'm going to focus on,

695
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Speaker 2: and I have my ideas of what needs to happen

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Speaker 2: and how I'm going to happen.

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Speaker 1: And that makes me feel like a bit of a

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Speaker 1: reset there. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I also, if I'm like struggling with a particular habit

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Speaker 3: or you know, like I'm like, ah, Reddit, I need

701
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Speaker 3: to quit again doing some kind of like manifesto, you know,

702
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Speaker 3: like just figuring out like okay, like what do I

703
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Speaker 3: really want going forward? What isn't working? Maybe writing out

704
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: some like the way I want it to be. In

705
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Speaker 3: discussing with a friend, I have done this. Does it

706
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Speaker 3: work forever on everything?

707
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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: But it can provide a really nice, helpful fresh start.

709
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Speaker 3: And then every day is different, and if you have

710
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Speaker 3: some successful days from something like this, then they count too.

711
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Speaker 2: So physically cleaning up can we need to be careful

712
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Speaker 2: with this. Life does not begin when you put your

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Speaker 2: house in order. You can live your life whatever your

714
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Speaker 2: house looks like. I feel like that's a message that

715
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Speaker 2: is more feeding on sort of women's insecurities of like, oh, well,

716
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Speaker 2: how can you dare do anything until everything is picked up? No,

717
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: you can go have your fun even if your kid's

718
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Speaker 2: toys are still out on the playroom floor, Like, don't

719
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Speaker 2: have that mindset. That said, if you're feeling a little

720
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Speaker 2: like and again we don't want to procrastinate here, but

721
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Speaker 2: sometimes if your desk is messy, spending fifteen minutes cleaning

722
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Speaker 2: it up can make you feel a little bit more

723
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Speaker 2: excited about starting work. If your bedroom is feeling a

724
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Speaker 2: bit cluttered and you're finding it hard to relax, spending

725
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes tidying things up in there might make it

726
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Speaker 2: feel a little bit more like you could at least

727
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Speaker 2: shut the door and sit in there and enjoy a

728
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Speaker 2: bit of relaxation from the rest of the house's clutter.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Another thing is if you have a specific health habit,

731
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Speaker 3: you're trying to work on finding somebody that inspires you,

732
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Speaker 3: and again, try to find someone that you got to

733
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Speaker 3: be careful with this because there's a lot of stuff

734
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Speaker 3: out there. But once you find someone who's a fit,

735
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Speaker 3: then great binge. Listen to their podcast or you know,

736
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Speaker 3: read their website or whatever it is. But like you

737
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Speaker 3: want to get into running, you find people that you

738
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Speaker 3: really respect that are going to inspire you. But I

739
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: have definitely done that with various things. I've read a

740
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Speaker 3: lot of books about various digital detox types of things

741
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Speaker 3: that I've found helpful and inspiring to like create the

742
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: screen relationship I want over the years. So that's my example.

743
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Speaker 2: You might also try some sort of mini challenge of sorts,

744
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: explicitly saying I am not saying I'm going to do

745
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Speaker 2: this for the rest of my life, but for thirty days,

746
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Speaker 2: I am going to do X and you can try

747
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Speaker 2: it out. See if you have sort of that motivational

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Speaker 2: energy to take you through thirty days, or if there's

749
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Speaker 2: too many logistical challenges, then I guess that's not going

750
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Speaker 2: to work. But you don't feel like you fail for

751
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Speaker 2: the rest of your life is start something else.

752
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Speaker 1: But little mini.

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Speaker 2: Experiments can be a fun way to reset and try

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Speaker 2: something new.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and then finally we had track it. Whether that

756
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: is your time when they're trying to figure out different habits,

757
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Speaker 3: sometimes it's actually not the habits you want to track,

758
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Speaker 3: but your time around those habits, especially if you're telling

759
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Speaker 3: yourself the story that I haven't been able to fit

760
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: it in because I didn't have time, or you could

761
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Speaker 3: create some kind of tracker around the habits themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean having an open mind of that,

763
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Speaker 2: like how much time there is. I wrote on my

764
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Speaker 2: blog today actually about having a priority for last week

765
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Speaker 2: to run three times a week and get to the

766
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Speaker 2: end of day Thursday, and it hadn't happened at all, Right,

767
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: I hadn't run at all. But it turns out that Friday, Saturday,

768
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Speaker 2: and Sunday are three days and you can run on

769
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Speaker 2: those three days and still have run three times a week.

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Speaker 2: So sometimes viewing time a little bit more broadly can

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Speaker 2: help with that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, all right, well this was a fun episode. We

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Speaker 3: are maybe expecting little feedback. We would love to know

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Speaker 3: your favoriteavorite wellness trends, your least favorite wellness trends. And

775
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Speaker 3: hopefully we didn't say anything too offensive.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we did. I think we could have

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Speaker 1: been far worse. All right.

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Speaker 2: Sarah, the question for this week Longtime Listener, writes in

779
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Speaker 2: that she is expecting her second child and time already

780
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Speaker 2: feels crunched with a toddler. She's a highly organized person

781
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Speaker 2: when it comes to day to day things, but big

782
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Speaker 2: picture planning is not always her favorite, whereas her husband

783
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Speaker 2: is more of the visionary and wants to talk all

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Speaker 2: things baby and long range planning for our family. Our

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Speaker 2: first child is two and there are things we'd like

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Speaker 2: to do differently leading up to and following baby number

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Speaker 2: two's arrival. Would you be able to share your tips

788
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Speaker 2: for thinking through a second pregnancy and preparing for another

789
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Speaker 2: shift in our family? How would you recommend we plan

790
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Speaker 2: for this big change as we reflect on our parenting

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Speaker 2: journey so far.

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Speaker 1: I love this.

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Speaker 3: I had fun thinking through this because I was like, well,

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Speaker 3: what would have what did I think through? And like,

795
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Speaker 3: what would it have helped me to actually think through

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Speaker 3: as it went from one to two?

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Speaker 1: But when would you have been thinking you had like

798
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Speaker 1: a fourteen month old, like.

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Speaker 3: While I was taking walks with her in the ergo

800
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Speaker 3: and pretending it was a weighted best all right, So

801
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: concrete things that you could think about would be does

802
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: it make sense to rethink your childcare? Like, is this

803
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Speaker 3: the moment when it makes sense to go from daycare

804
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Speaker 3: to nanny, which we did when we went from one

805
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Speaker 3: kid to two kids? How will you ensure that this

806
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: was a really big thing on my mind? And I'm

807
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Speaker 3: sure you're already thinking about it, but like, how will

808
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Speaker 3: you make sure that older kid still feels like they

809
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: get great to one on one attention when you also

810
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Speaker 3: have a baby?

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Speaker 1: Manage?

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Speaker 3: What'll be some things you might be able to preserve

813
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Speaker 3: just doing with them? What kinds of family fun will

814
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Speaker 3: still be doable with a newborn in tow and honestly

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Speaker 3: a lot because if you're aready dealing with a toddler,

816
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: probably a lot of those things will translate very nicely

817
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Speaker 3: to a newborn. But that will be a reassuring train

818
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Speaker 3: of thought most likely, how will you get some extra

819
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: help with your toddler if pregnancy fatigue sets in or

820
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: if you just feel horrendous, like, will there be kind

821
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: of a pop off out for you because you might

822
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Speaker 3: need one? And then finally all those space related stuff

823
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Speaker 3: because I feel like, you know, having your baby and

824
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: your tiny apartment works, and then you add two and

825
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like ah. Although Tyler Moore

826
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Speaker 3: of Tidy Dad would say that you should question those assumptions.

827
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Speaker 3: You can fit multiple kids in a small apartment if

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Speaker 3: you do it right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the childcare and space are the

830
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: two that are probably most going to matter.

831
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Speaker 1: That there might be a.

832
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Speaker 2: Benefit in having some childcare outside of regular working hours

833
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: if it's one kid is one thing, multiple kids like,

834
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Speaker 2: especially if you're trying to get a baby down and

835
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: a toddler is screaming for your attention. If you're parenting

836
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Speaker 2: on your own in the evenings frequently, for instance, that

837
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: would be an occasion to get an extra set of

838
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: hands for you can also, and the space is a

839
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Speaker 2: practical one too, But I think a lot of life

840
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: ideas don't necessarily survive encounters with your actual children. Like

841
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Speaker 2: you may have philosophies about how you intend to parent

842
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: or have family culture or whatever, and some of those

843
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: will work and some absolutely will not because they just

844
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: do not work with your particular child, and that is

845
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Speaker 2: just something you may have.

846
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Speaker 1: To roll with.

847
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Speaker 2: But you could at least think about it if you want, Like,

848
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Speaker 2: this would be a fun thing to do, Like I thought,

849
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Speaker 2: this would be a fun family culture to have, so

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Speaker 2: now as our family is growing, we can introduce this idea.

851
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 2: And again, I think a lot of the bigger stuff

852
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: you're just gonna have to see how it works with

853
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Speaker 2: your kids. But like it can be fun little things

854
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Speaker 2: like we are a family that always has a huge

855
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Speaker 2: Arbor Day celebration, I don't know. We are the family

856
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: that always takes photos in matching jammys on Halloween. We

857
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: are a family who Those are the kinds of things

858
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Speaker 2: you might decide would be fun to do and try

859
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Speaker 2: with and could probably make happen.

860
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: And they can be experiments, just like our little thirty

861
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Speaker 3: day health ones. See if it works, see.

862
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: If it works, see if it doesn't. But like you

863
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: have to have sort of be flexible in general. But

864
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Speaker 2: if you have a one kid, you can handle two.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's just it's just more juggling.

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Speaker 1: So and if you can handle two, you can handle fun,

867
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Speaker 1: you can handle three, you can handle three. All right,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Love of the week. What do you have this week?

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Speaker 3: So we mentioned strength training and some people just hate

870
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Speaker 3: it or are scared of it. And I would say,

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Speaker 3: for me, one of the easiest gateway drunks are like

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Speaker 3: it would be to actually try the Peloton strength classes.

873
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Speaker 3: And I have no Peloton affiliation. Peloton is obviously known

874
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Speaker 3: for like cycling and cardio and being really sweaty, but honestly,

875
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Speaker 3: their strength library is enormous and has things that are

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Speaker 3: like ten minutes long for beginners, and it has things

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Speaker 3: that are you know, hour. They have programs, they have standalones,

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Speaker 3: they have a million different styles, they have yoga, they

879
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: have stretching like they're not cardio. Offerings are immense and

880
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 3: I pay something like it's under fifteen dollars per month

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Speaker 3: for however many you want to do. So I just

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Speaker 3: think if you haven't tried that, that might not be

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Speaker 3: the answer, but it's one possible answer of many.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I'm gonna throw out the Mason Perrier forever.

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Speaker 2: Lime I may have mentioned this before, but sparkling water

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Speaker 2: yet out not as good as a craft beer. But

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Speaker 2: if you've decided, in the interest of wellness that having

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Speaker 2: a craft beer on a Tuesday is a bad idea, then.

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Speaker 1: The uh Perier is a nice substitute. Oh, we could

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Speaker 1: have included that. Well, it was long enough. That's long enough.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Well, this has been best of both worlds.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking wellness trends in a way to reset.

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Speaker 2: We will be back next week with more on making

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Speaker 2: work and life fit together.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

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Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram,

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Speaker 3: and you.

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Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This

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Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Please join us next time for more on making work

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Speaker 2: and life work together.