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Speaker 1: Recently I posted something that was the creation of my

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Speaker 1: and I always do these sort of experiential cultural things together,

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Speaker 1: She just, you know, it bothers her and she doesn't

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Speaker 1: And when she was younger, she was a vegetarian. She

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Speaker 1: loves animals, I mean really loves animals. We have to

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Speaker 1: And that night I was in my bedroom and I

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Speaker 1: overheard her talking out loud. I thought it was a

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Speaker 1: found all of this footage online that animal cruelty. And

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Speaker 1: so she said to me, right now, I'm going vegetarian again.

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Speaker 1: I don't and she didn't say vegan, and she kind

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Speaker 1: But she had these videos of kill shelters and of

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Speaker 1: decided to post it, and I decided to make it

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Speaker 1: part of Be Strong My Relief effort that we would

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Speaker 1: animal charities, including north Shore Animal League, who I got

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Speaker 1: Biggie and smallst from and all the comments. I was

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Speaker 1: relating to the fact that I had said, we, you know,

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Speaker 1: rare that I'll have something I don't. You know, my

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Speaker 1: it has increasingly bothered me more just seeing it and

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Speaker 1: just something that I've thought about it, and I've evolved

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Speaker 1: you know, and then people said that they hunt, but

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Speaker 1: then they have to eat what they kill, and you

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Speaker 1: So we're all thinking about it. And I thought about how,

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Speaker 1: But if am I a hypocrite? Because is it worse

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Speaker 1: So I'm not the person that organized the fight, but

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Speaker 1: If anybody who's eating meat that if they're educated and

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Speaker 1: just saying it's a conversation. It's certainly worth a conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's worth education. You know, there are so many I'm

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Speaker 1: That's one of the problems, Like people don't want to

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Speaker 1: For Tom Brady said he's mostly plant based, so there's

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Speaker 1: So Serena Williams made sure, she said, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: thinking like that. So what do you all think? Have

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Speaker 1: And anybody who thinks that we're going to return to

429
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: the same rhythms of work, life, child rearing, you know, partnerships, friendships, romance, like,

430
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: everything has changed, and some things will be much better

431
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: out of it, and some things will be nostalgic for

432
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: the way it used to be. Right, but it's all changing.

433
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: I thought initially, and I still think that people, you know,

434
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: realistic commercial real estate changed so much because people realize

435
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: how much they could do with so much less. And

436
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: obviously air travel and hotel travel. So what have you

437
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: found has been the biggest surprise that you don't need

438
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: that you thought you needed, and that you're changing forever.

439
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: Uh travel for business the amount of travel that I

440
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: did for business is literally that thing. I don't think there.

441
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: You know, for thirty years, I don't think there was

442
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: ever ten days that I wasn't on an airplane literally,

443
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, you know there was a six year period

444
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: of time I went to China once a month. Wow,

445
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: And that seems crazy to you now, Yeah, not just

446
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: because of COVID, just because of the taxing on your body,

447
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: the dehydration, the pack and yeah, that's it. Didn't that didn't.

448
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: I was fine with that that. You know, I'm a warrior.

449
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: You know that George Clooney movie Up in the Air,

450
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: that's me. So I know I was fine with that.

451
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the unnecessary uh investment, that you can

452
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: survive without it. I like to be with people, I

453
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: like to be face to face. I think I'm more

454
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: effective when I'm in the room where it happens as

455
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: opposed to doing it, you know, over zoom. But it's

456
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: not essential. All right, there's a quality to it and

457
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: and a reward to it. That is, you know, I

458
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: think less, you know, just you know, it's just it's

459
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: just not doesn't have the same quality to it for

460
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: for for my own needs, not for mine, not for

461
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: the results. Yeah, I understand. I understand exactly what you're saying.

462
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: Do you you said you're a warrior? Have you always

463
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: felt that you are a warrior? Did you think you

464
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: had something unique very young? Or did the confidence of

465
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: being successful at things make you more of a warrior?

466
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: I came out of the womb this way, Okay, as

467
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: my mom she tell you that, it's okay, I like,

468
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: I like that. It's good to know. You know, eight

469
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: years old, I was out shoveling snow on the sidewalks

470
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: of New York and getting fifty cents from the shop owners.

471
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: You know, like I've been, you know, industrious and driven

472
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: and ambitious and you know, self starter, you know, my

473
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: whole life and a lot of your friends are game changer,

474
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: Maverick mobiles warriors. Do you feel it's the same for

475
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: all of them? They were just born this way. This

476
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: is just who they are, you know what, No two

477
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: stories the same there are eight million stories in the

478
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: Naked City, and no two of them are the same,

479
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: and the same would be of Hollywood. If you had

480
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: to describe how your trajectory and if I get numbers wrong,

481
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: this is just what I've researched of taking Disney from

482
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: two billion to twenty two billion? What was your goal?

483
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: How did you do that? How do you think you

484
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: did it? Being you know, the Monday morning quarterback? Now? Yeah, so,

485
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: uh that you're talking about the Walt Disney Company and

486
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: that really I was just the Walt Disney Studios. So

487
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: that's that. That two to twenty two is Michael Eismer.

488
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: I was the Walt Disney Studios, which went from two

489
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: hundred million in revenue too about eight and a half billion.

490
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: So that's my little I had. I had a piece

491
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: of the burg that wasn't the whole Enchilada. So mine

492
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: was just the movies, TV and animation and Disney Channel

493
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: and home video and all of that stuff. Did you

494
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: was it a vision? Was it Chess versus Checkers? Like?

495
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: What was going on? Well, we you know inherited you know,

496
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: literally one of the greatest you know legacies, um, you

497
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: know that had been created by any buddy before Walt Disney,

498
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I think he left an amazing

499
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: road map, uh and you know, a vision for what

500
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: was the best version of it. We happened to be.

501
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: We arrived at a moment in time in which it

502
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: was sort of bottomed out and just by a failure

503
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: of previous you know, post Disney. And two when we arrived,

504
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: the stewards of the place didn't really know what to

505
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: do with it, um, and so it had sort of

506
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: lost its way. Um. But the assets there and the

507
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: legacy and the um uh creativity of what he you know,

508
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: founded the place on, the values, all of those things, Yeah,

509
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: they were all there. And and you know all you

510
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: had to do was honestly open your eyes and come

511
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: to work every day. And you know, I you know,

512
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: the thing that I think probably uh, you know, I'm

513
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: more identified with than than than anything else, is just

514
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: the resurgence of the animation. And I have to say,

515
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, in every respect, I am just a student

516
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: of and was a student of Walt Disney. And he

517
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: had this archive of his work and his work process

518
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: that was so clear. It was, you know, such a

519
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: precise path to follow, and so you know, he is

520
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: the one that said, I make movies for children, and

521
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: the child that exists in every one of us. North Star,

522
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: just get up every day and just follow that idea,

523
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: right Like that's just such a fundamental, defining quality that

524
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: you just don't ever step an inch off of that

525
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: pathway he said, he said, my movies are only as

526
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: good as their villain. So think about that. You've been

527
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: around storytelling, think about the clarity of that, and I

528
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: can tell you what did that produce during my tenure

529
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: there Ursula jeffore Gaston scar Knowing what the threat is,

530
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: the line that all things adhere to it simplifies things.

531
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: So you basically just said that you were going with

532
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: a blueprint written years ago that was working, if not

533
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: sort of complicated and mucked up. So I think that's

534
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: good for people with smaller businesses who think that the

535
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: core of the business is good, but they can't figure

536
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: out how to get the crap out of the way.

537
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: I think that was really interesting. And then also thinking,

538
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Speaker 1: because I was going to before I ask you about

539
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: leadership after management, which often involves inspiring, I think what

540
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: you just said, which was not which was you know,

541
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: not reinventing the wheel that's inspiring that that seems like

542
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: that was your leadership mechanism to tell people to bring

543
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: back the spirit of this amazing company. So I think

544
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: that's that's at that's a that's a great thing for

545
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: me to take away and for people to take away

546
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: from this, you know, And you didn't overcomplicate it, well,

547
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a visionary and we didn't need

548
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: to improve on his vision. We just needed to return

549
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: to it and the values of it. And yes, the

550
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: world had changed, and you know, this was in theties

551
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: and fifties that you know, he was a visionary, but

552
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: the values, you know, the qualities were the same. Now,

553
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, we then went into the era of television

554
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: and the cable TV and home video and you know,

555
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: so how to build out and expand the brands, but

556
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: live within you know those you know, core values. Yeah,

557
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: you have to have been some level of a corporate

558
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: person to you know, move up the ranks in that way.

559
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't know whether they're corporate

560
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: or a maverick or an entrepreneur, and many people are both.

561
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: It's obvious that you're both. How does someone who's working

562
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: in a corporate environment with hundreds or thousands of people

563
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: or dozens people. How do they rise up, how do

564
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: they stand out? How do they play frogger and and

565
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: get to the top. Well, you know, I would say,

566
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: well one has always been for me is hard work, right,

567
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 1: But you know, um, some of its luck, some of

568
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: its luck that you make for yourself. Um. I think

569
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: among the things that were my luck, my good fortune

570
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: is I actually got a couple of great mentors and

571
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: my career who in many ways maybe even saw more

572
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: in me than I saw on myself. And you know,

573
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: one of them was somebody that I worked with. Uh

574
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: you know when in the back of the John Lindsay

575
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: and pain this. Uh, two people said, David Off and

576
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Dick Ailio. Um, you know, we're really you know, two

577
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: of his top three or four people. And they took

578
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: me under their wing. They saw in somebody, you know,

579
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: an ambition of creativity, uh, you know, an enthusiasm. Uh

580
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, and and you know help me uh focus

581
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: those two you know, productive outcomes and outputs. Um. You know,

582
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: Barry Diller hired me when I was twenty three years old, uh,

583
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: you know as a gopher, you know, as his assistant,

584
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: and then put me on this career path where and

585
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: I had I didn't understand that's what he was doing.

586
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: But every year he would move me from one area

587
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: of the company another And so I went into marketing

588
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: and into distribution, you know, into international and and and

589
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: and then you know, when I was twenty eight or

590
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: twenty nine years only maybe president of the oar Amount Studios.

591
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Right and in hindsight, so they're not organized mentors. You know,

592
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: he he with a plan put me on a path

593
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: to get to this like you know, he invested in

594
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: me for a decade, right and and and and I

595
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: didn't understand it at the time. He expectly expressed it

596
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: to me, but you know he had a plan for me,

597
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: and he mentored my career. I want to do that.

598
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: I never say that. I never like have a plan

599
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: for a person, even though I think that people could

600
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: go all the way. And I'll say that, but I

601
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: love that not only for the person who wants to

602
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: look for the mentor, but for the person to look

603
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: for someone underneath them. I think the day Barry highed me,

604
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: he saw someone who could go the whole distance. And

605
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: I was going to make sure that I learned and

606
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: had the experience that if I could succeed, I actually

607
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: have been equipped, trained, learned how to actually do the job.

608
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: I didn't get there because I got lucky and one

609
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: something took off fantastic. And so I've been as I said,

610
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: I've been blessed to have you know, three of those

611
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: in my career people who were real, you know, real

612
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: mentors for me. And they weren't just around work. I

613
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: had an amazing mentor around philanthropy, which was Kirk Douglas.

614
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: You know, that's a whole another story we can get

615
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: into at some point. But going back on the work

616
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: side of it. Uh, I think the thing that I

617
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: realized and I was never articulate about it in my

618
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: early years, but I did come to understand it later, um,

619
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: which is it really became sort of my um, I

620
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: don't know what would you you know, like my mission statement.

621
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: It's real simple to words, exceed expectations. And what I

622
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: saw just as almost like Pablau right, which is, give

623
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: me an assignment, and if I did it really well,

624
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: the person I did it for rewarded me by either

625
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: giving me more, bigger, better, whatever those things were. And

626
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: so that of get a challenge, and it didn't matter

627
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: whether it was literally go downstairs and get coffee and Danish,

628
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: or get a script into some person's hand, or sign

629
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: somebody to do it. That by exceeding expectations of my bosses,

630
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: it actually produced a great outcome time and time and

631
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: time again. And so I just kept trying to always

632
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: do that. And then as I sort of got on

633
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: a bit in my career, I started to realize that, um,

634
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: being in a consumer business, which I well I have

635
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: been for my mostly, the reward there is exceeded the

636
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: expectation of your customer. So if you made a movie

637
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: and people came to see the movie it was better

638
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: than they thought, you had a smash. And the same

639
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: thing was through of a TV show, And the same

640
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: thing was through of you know, soundtrack for a movie

641
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Speaker 1: or you know stuff animal or I don't care pick

642
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Speaker 1: any of those things. If the quality of what you

643
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Speaker 1: somebody received and returned for you know, uh, you know,

644
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Speaker 1: paying for subscribing or whatever it is, if the quality

645
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Speaker 1: was more than they actually expected, they became loyal to

646
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Speaker 1: you and loyal to your brand, and um, you know

647
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Speaker 1: it just it constantly became rewarding for me. And I

648
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: then started to realize, well, Okay, you know what take

649
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Speaker 1: that the next step, and um, I should. I'd like

650
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Speaker 1: to try and exceed the expectations of the people that

651
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Speaker 1: I work with. Right so, not just the people I

652
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Speaker 1: work for, but actually people that I work with every day.

653
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Speaker 1: Are there things that I can do so that things

654
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Speaker 1: don't become wrote you know, staff meetings don't become the

655
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Speaker 1: same all the time that you know, the repetition of

656
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Speaker 1: those things, they lose their edge. And so I always

657
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Speaker 1: think about, you know, how do I exceed the expectations

658
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Speaker 1: of the people that I work with? And then I

659
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: went the next step with that and thought, well, what

660
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Speaker 1: are the other things that are super important to me?

661
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Speaker 1: And in terms of each one of them, I'm actually

662
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Speaker 1: going to think about how do I exceed their expectations.

663
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Speaker 1: So my friends, you know, all of us can't have

664
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Speaker 1: too many friends. Yeah, well, I put a big investment

665
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Speaker 1: to my friends. You know, I am always trying to

666
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Speaker 1: exceed their expectations, you know, calling them before they're calling me,

667
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Speaker 1: you know, showing up for them when they don't expect it,

668
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Speaker 1: and being there you know when they have a need.

669
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Speaker 1: And I do that for my kids. I try to

670
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Speaker 1: exceed the expectations of them, you know, it gets And

671
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Speaker 1: then finally I married forty seven years and I tried

672
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Speaker 1: to exceed the expectation of my wife. That's a high bar. Yeah,

673
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Speaker 1: And I love that because I love that because I've

674
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Speaker 1: been thinking as you as I turned fifty, about you know,

675
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Speaker 1: how to be a better friend and how to always

676
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Speaker 1: show up for people even if I don't. I'm not

677
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Speaker 1: the type of person that I'm very antisocial, so I

678
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Speaker 1: don't need a lot of that sort of attention, but

679
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Speaker 1: to try to give it to my friends who really

680
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: do need it. I just like that. And I always

681
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Speaker 1: say good enough is not good enough. So that's the

682
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Speaker 1: next level. What you're saying is the next level, Well,

683
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Speaker 1: here's what that is. In Fundamentally, it means you need

684
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Speaker 1: to be a giver and not a taker. And I

685
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Speaker 1: do think that we tend to fall into We the

686
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Speaker 1: human race tends to fall into those two categories. People

687
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Speaker 1: are either fundamentally givers where they're fundamentally takers. And do

688
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Speaker 1: you think they can change? Yeah? I do. I think

689
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Speaker 1: they do change. I mean, there's no there's no question that. Um, yes,

690
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Speaker 1: the answer is yes. And I think I think people

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Speaker 1: can be takers at one point in their life and

692
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Speaker 1: become givers at another point in our life. We've seen

693
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Speaker 1: that all the time, you know, we see that. You know,

694
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Speaker 1: one of the greatest philanthropists of our time, Bill Gates,

695
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Speaker 1: he was a taker. He's the number one giver. What

696
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Speaker 1: are you not good at? I don't know. Well, how

697
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Speaker 1: do you? How do you accept defeat if you lose

698
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: in a game of sports or you fail at something

699
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: that you learn more from your failures and your successes.

700
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Speaker 1: But I would say to you left me me I

701
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Speaker 1: I I put it in this perspective that. So I'll

702
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Speaker 1: start by saying to you, I'm humbled by my failures.

703
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Speaker 1: Um I I never I always have owned my failures

704
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Speaker 1: every at any point along God knows, having made fo

705
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Speaker 1: some odd movies, and I have lots of failures, right,

706
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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm, I'm I understand it, and I have

707
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Speaker 1: always believed in owning my failures. And as you said,

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Speaker 1: my greatest lessons come from my misses, not from the

709
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Speaker 1: things that I've done that are successful. But having said that,

710
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Speaker 1: let me give you a qualifier in context of what

711
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Speaker 1: I just said to you, which is, show me a

712
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: good loser, and I'll show you a loser. Ah, right,

713
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Speaker 1: That's a great line. When you know something's not going well,

714
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Speaker 1: what's your what? What? What are your tools? Own it?

715
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Speaker 1: You can't run from it. You know you own it,

716
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: and you know you have to take it head on.

717
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: And and you know those are where the lessons come from. Uh.

718
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Speaker 1: You know, the last thing that I did at scale,

719
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Speaker 1: you know, was a complete bust. You know, it was Quimby,

720
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Speaker 1: you know, and and I busted on a scale that is,

721
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Speaker 1: you know, almost unprecedented. And I am proud of everything

722
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Speaker 1: that we did. I'm proud of the work. I'm proud

723
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Speaker 1: of people that work there. I'm you know, incredibly proud

724
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Speaker 1: of the work that you know, the talent and filmmakers

725
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: and storytellers and Hollywood turned out to do lots and

726
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: lots and lots that I'm proud of. But the thing

727
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Speaker 1: failed and and you know, for all the great effort

728
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Speaker 1: and all the time and all the money that was

729
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Speaker 1: put into it, you know, it was a bust. And

730
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Speaker 1: that bust is mine. I'm humbled by that bust. I'm

731
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Speaker 1: not humiliated by it. I'm you And I think we

732
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Speaker 1: all too often go too far, we go to humiliation,

733
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Speaker 1: you know, around our failures, and I don't. I think

734
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Speaker 1: you can be. It's not always the case, but I

735
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Speaker 1: think if you're you know, many times, you can actually,

736
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Speaker 1: as I said, take pride in the things that you've done,

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Speaker 1: even when they haven't worked, and you know, have as

738
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Speaker 1: I said, have humility around it. Well, that's a great

739
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: point because you're not complaining and you're not necessarily explained.

740
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Speaker 1: Somethings just don't work like it could be. I had

741
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Speaker 1: a talk show and the guy UM, and I didn't

742
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: love doing it, which I hate to say, because, like you,

743
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: there were so many amazing people, and I didn't feel

744
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Speaker 1: that it was right for me. But it was only

745
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: and it wasn't renewed, and I was sort of secretly relieved. Um.

746
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: But the guy, Mike Darnell, said that it did better

747
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: than the talk show before me. But at the time,

748
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: the president of the company was fired and somebody else

749
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: was fired and there was nobody watching the show, and

750
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: who cares. The point is it just didn't have work.

751
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: Like not everything is going to work like it just doesn't.

752
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: It could be the timing, it could be the day.

753
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: It could be one mistake, it could be the combination.

754
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: It could be just like magic in the wrong direction.

755
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: But in our world, the one that you've worked in,

756
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: grown up in, made a career in and mind more

757
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: often than not, I think that the vulnerability of creative

758
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: people who put themselves out on a limb, those misses,

759
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: those failures are are you know, they're very painful and

760
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: their heart and they and they feel a public embarrassment

761
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: around them. And in a way that's maybe what makes

762
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: some great artists like that they care that much. You know,

763
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Speaker 1: having watched so many great careers, I don't the very

764
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Speaker 1: very best of them are coaster. Nobody bats about, nobody

765
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Speaker 1: bats it right, and so you know, and and you know,

766
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Speaker 1: you can be a you know literally you know, uh,

767
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, the best baseball player in the world. And

768
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: you know that That's what I'm saying to you. So

769
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Speaker 1: it's funny because I did stand up comedy for the

770
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: first time and the only time last year, and I

771
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: called people that I knew. There was Ellen Degenerous or

772
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin, or texted Chris Rock, who I cold texted.

773
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: I just sort of knew him, and everyone gave me

774
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: advice and I forget who it was that I was

775
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: talking to, and I said, oh, Kevin Nealen I said,

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00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: I want to understand if you're prepared. Of course there's

777
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: gonna be elements, and there could be something politically incorrect,

778
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: but generally speaking, if you're prepared and you've done this

779
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: so many times, how could they fail? How could Jerry

780
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: Seinfeld ever failed? How could he go up and bomb?

781
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: And Kevin Nelon says, because if you're not, if you

782
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: if you're taking chances, I mean, if you're taking chances,

783
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to fail. So you know, that's

784
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: what I think is going is the situation you just described.

785
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: We'll take my baseball analogy one step further, right, if

786
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: you don't swing for the fence, it's not possible to

787
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: hit a home run. So and you also have to

788
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: understand that if you're going to walk up to that

789
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: plate and you're going to swing for the fence, there's

790
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: a chance you're gonna have a pop out to the infield.

791
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: Like if Quimby had succeeded, it would have succeeded to

792
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: the fences. And if it failed, you said it was

793
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: a ship storm. So that's I get it. Do you

794
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: crowdsource at all? Um? Is everything just gout instinct in

795
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: every are of your life. I have always welcomed other

796
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: people's uh, you know, opinions and points of view and collaboration.

797
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever made a movie and you

798
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: didn't put it in front of a movie audience before

799
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: it was finished. They're the ones that we work for,

800
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: is the audience. Uh. You know, I loved working on

801
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: Broadway because of the iterative nous of that um creative

802
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: process that it's it's almost like a partnership that you

803
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: have with an audience in which you're constantly creating and evolving, uh,

804
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: something on its feet as it goes. And you know,

805
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: I think collaboration is, you know, one of the things,

806
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: one of the more rewarding things. It's not a solo sport.

807
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm not in a solo sport. I've never been solo sport.

808
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: And you know, there are people that are that do it.

809
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: They rely on lots of other people to you know,

810
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: realize their singular vision. What most great filmmakers do. Um,

811
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: so they have partners in realizing what. You know. Steven

812
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: Spielberg's greatest storyteller of our time. You know, he has

813
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: a very singular vision for each and every movie that

814
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: he's ever made. I've watched him up close and I've

815
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: just seen his process and uh, you know, he relies

816
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: on lots of people to realize the best version of

817
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: what he has imagined and created. But it's his is

818
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: He's the author. I understand every every respect I don't.

819
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: I've never been the author. I understand. So so the

820
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: reason that we connected is because I, um, what I

821
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: like to say is cold called you. So I had

822
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: been interested in the points space and telling everyone at

823
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: home I had been interested in the points space, the

824
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Speaker 1: airline hotel miles points space, and I reached out to

825
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: this guy about this business and he said, Jeffrey Katzenberg

826
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Speaker 1: is an investor, and um, I liked the business. It

827
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: sounded like a hidden chocolate surprise in the box of

828
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: Cracker Jackson. I said, oh, and I emailed you and

829
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: just said, hey, um, I might be investing in something

830
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: that this person says that you're part of. And you

831
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Speaker 1: immediately said, hey, you know, when should we chat? And

832
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: then we talked and we spoke, and I you know,

833
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: I spoke to Cheryl Sandberg about this. She was like,

834
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: of course he called you back. I was like, I'm

835
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: shocked that he got I mean I was surprised that

836
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: you remind me back. It was like, I mean, I

837
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: was humbled. Then I said to you that a podcast,

838
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that you're here because it's even

839
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: exceeding my expectations. Um so listening, well, we'll see at

840
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Speaker 1: the end of it, showing up exceeded you. But the

841
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Speaker 1: real question is is if at the end of it

842
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Speaker 1: we did good. It's already exceeding, right. So I appreciate

843
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: you responding to me. I'm excited about the business. It's

844
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: part of your next chapter, which is wonder co And

845
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: so how do you and that's the main thing you're

846
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Speaker 1: focused on, that's your your whole So how do you

847
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Speaker 1: explain that to people? Uh? Actually kind of fun. So

848
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Speaker 1: when I sold DreamWorks, uh, you know, five years ago,

849
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: and you know, just the thought process around that is that,

850
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Speaker 1: as I said, if I go from you know, the

851
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: beginning of my career over in the entertainment business, I

852
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: have been associated with involved in in proximity to over

853
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: four movies, forty one animated UH films, over ad TV shows,

854
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: five Broadway plays. At that point, I said, dropped the mic. Ah,

855
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: so you didn't know what the hold of them went

856
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: to follow them. There was a it's just I'd done it.

857
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: I really like, I didn't, you know. And and as

858
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: I say, it's not to say that I didn't love

859
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: every every one of those and the doing was incredible,

860
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: but I didn't feel there was anything new for me there.

861
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: And and it wasn't the tables going cold. It was

862
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: just that you could do it in your sleep. No,

863
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: just the opposite, you know, we you know how to

864
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: train your dragon and trolls and all sorts of try

865
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: and deal with Netflix. And no it the company was

866
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: doing well, which is why they bought it, you know.

867
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: Com Kyles came along in both the company for four

868
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: billion dollars. Not because it was doing badly, you know,

869
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: knock good. It was doing well enough that somebody else

870
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: saw great value. And and as I said, at that

871
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: moment in time, I just, you know, because I knew someday,

872
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, it was there was no question about if

873
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: someday dream Works would be sold, it was when. And

874
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: so the moment in time when they showed up, I

875
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: asked myself one literally one question. If I were twenty

876
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: two years old today, would I be doing what I'm

877
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: doing today going forward? Or would I be doing something else.

878
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: Great question, right, and I just said, I said, actually no,

879
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: If I were starting out today and I were twenty

880
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: two years old, and I would say that right now

881
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: again today I would be in digital technology. I actually

882
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: believe today that what I experienced in the movie and

883
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: entertainment business in the seventies, just when I was starting now,

884
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: that excitement, that enthusiasm, that ambition, that opportunity, that world

885
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: changing impact that movies and television had in the seventies

886
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: is what digital technology has today. And that's what I

887
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of it. And by the way,

888
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it, I mean other than

889
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: I use it and it's around me and every one

890
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: of us, and so I'm aware. I used actually digital

891
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: technology and our movie making and you know, we were

892
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, Dream, which was a state of the art

893
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: digital animation studio and it so besides, I didn't know

894
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: anything about digital technology and gaming and all of these

895
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: things that we're sort of exploding. Uh. You know, if

896
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: you look at the impact of digital technology in the

897
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: last years, there's almost no facet of your life that

898
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: you can't say that digital technology has not impacted, mostly

899
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: for the better, but that microphone that's in front of you,

900
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: the ear phones that you're wearing, the fact that we

901
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 1: are having this communication, the where we are, and as yeah,

902
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: like you, everything has been impacted by this. And yet

903
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: I will tell you that if you look at the

904
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: next ten years, I actually think the impact of digital

905
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: technology will be ten x so literally an order of

906
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: magnitude greater in the next ten years than the last

907
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: ten years. And I think that's a pretty hard thing

908
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: for any of us to imagine what that needs until

909
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: you start to dive in and you see today and

910
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: it's amazing to me, Bethany, which is it's mostly twenty

911
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: year olds, it's literally three and they've been doing this

912
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: since they were fourteen or fifteen, and I'm just blown

913
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: away by their ingenuity, their ambition, their visions, their boldness,

914
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: and it touches across anything that you could pick like

915
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: you wherever, whatever the world is of medicine today and

916
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: how we all um uh you know, how health and

917
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: health sciences exist today. The revolution that is going to

918
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: occur around everything, like the like the way we grew up,

919
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: You're going to doctor's offices and you know, get getting

920
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: a you know a crown, uh, there's this wonderful company

921
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: in you are called Dandy that is now digitized all

922
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: of this, Like we'll say, come in a little wand

923
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: and instead of waiting you know, to you know, two weeks,

924
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, and sticking a plaster in your mouth and

925
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: all of that stuff in three days later, perfect Crown

926
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: shows back up here and and this and you know

927
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: this is you know, from a from a young guy

928
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: who literally had like four hours of themthel work done,

929
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: who went, this is nuts. There's not to be a

930
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: better way of doing this. Yep, guess what he's going

931
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: to build a multibillion dollar business on that changing the

932
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: way in which anyway I get off here on this

933
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: But no, I know that's and that's so that's what

934
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: wonder comes. There's a there's a there's a guy that

935
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: you know that that we met a company called the

936
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: Tomy that actually is using AI. Two uh answer UM

937
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: customer needs. So any kind of customer response where any

938
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: of us are calling a company because we didn't get

939
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: something or didn't show up or can we get more information?

940
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: The level of automation he has created UM using machine

941
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: learning and AI too. Now he's better response, the more

942
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: a better resolution than anybody else doing it today, just

943
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: by the use of digital technology. And so I watch

944
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: and I see these people today who have grown up.

945
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: This is you know, they were they were born into this.

946
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: You know, you and I were along for the ride.

947
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: But it sounds like you're being fed by all of this.

948
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: It's so interesting to you. And it's like the world

949
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: of imagination like Disney, and you're listening to all these

950
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: other quote unquote authors and you're inspired. That's what it

951
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: sounds like. That's that's now how I understand the intersection

952
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: of this points business that you invested in through Wonder Cool,

953
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: and that's how we connected, which is amazing. Yeah, I

954
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: mean that's a young entrepreneur who has a really really

955
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: big idea, which is all of us. And I'm sure

956
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: this is. I mean, you and I talked about this,

957
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: which is you know, as I said to you, I

958
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: lived on an airplane. I have more miles and bonuses

959
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: and like crazy, I don't know how to use it.

960
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: You well know, it's the only I was saying, And well,

961
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: it's the only thing that no one that I know

962
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: is an authority on everybody's authority on travel, on restaurants,

963
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: on this, on your computer, on your phone, on fashion,

964
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: on everything. Everyone knows everything about everything. Nobody knows anything

965
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: about points. It's like a different language. No one understands

966
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: that this one's got chase, this one's got to m

967
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,479
Speaker 1: X combined, because there's a reason for that. They don't

968
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: want us to know. I know, but this is amazing.

969
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: This is why this is the best business to get into.

970
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: If you launch a shampoo, there's five thousand shampoos, there's

971
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: five thousand Saltsas I'm at all these product categories, I

972
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: can't think of anything else where. No one knows anything

973
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: about it except for certain savants that I happen to know.

974
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: So I'm excited. This is our business, which we will

975
00:57:52,240 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: talk about soon. What's your rose and your thorn, your

976
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: high and your low of business? Not of your life?

977
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: My high? Uh? Interestingly, UM was UM something that just

978
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: celebrated its twentieth anniversary, believe it or not, so you

979
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: may remember that after nine eleven, UM, I think all

980
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: of us, uh, in every part of this country, we're feeling,

981
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, how do we help? What can we do?

982
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: You know? Uh? You know, the country had a you know,

983
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: literally you know, a wound in its heart and uh.

984
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: You know, for me, I felt, well, the one thing

985
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: that we all are capable of in our community in Hollywood,

986
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: um is two Um, maybe bring just a moment of

987
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: relief that because you know, through our ability to entertain people,

988
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, great stories or great music or

989
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: whatever those things are. And I ended up partnering up

990
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: with George Clooney too organize a fundraiser that was called

991
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: Tribute to America, which was the first and most successful

992
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: telethon ever in this country's history, in which ten days

993
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: after nine eleven, there was this two hours roadblock across

994
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: every channel, every you know network, every table, every radio,

995
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: everybody for two hours. Um. This thing was called Tribute

996
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: to America, and it had all the greatest artists and

997
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: athletes and entertainers and all you know, uh in support

998
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: of trying to bring a little healing at a moment

999
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: when people were hurting. You know, we're entertainers, that's what

1000
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: we do. And so that's the thing that's you know,

1001
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: nobody ever remembers I'm gonna ever show up on anything,

1002
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: but it is actually the thing I was proudest of doing.

1003
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: It's it's not Shrek or the Lion King or do

1004
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: any of these of those things. And it's just, you know,

1005
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: that was the thing that I just I thought, wow,

1006
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: we really made a contribution to at a moment in

1007
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: time in which you know, the whole country was sort

1008
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: of a neat um thorn. Uh no, no, uh, I

1009
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: guess maybe. Uh. You know I got fired from Disney.

1010
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: You know I didn't I you know, uh. And and

1011
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: it's okay to get fired, you know, one door closes,

1012
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: another one opens, but it's the way I got fired,

1013
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: which is too long a story to tell, but it was.

1014
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: It was humiliating, and and it was, you know, really disappointing.

1015
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: And I looked back at it and I go, it

1016
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: didn't have to be. I wish it hadn't been so sorted.

1017
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: What an amazing answer, because I think about that all

1018
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: the time, that things should be done come in the

1019
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: way you go out like things should be done, clean, breakups, firings, highs. Well,

1020
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: this is well, okay, so this is literally is is

1021
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: that you know, I was in a partnership with someone

1022
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: for eighteen and a half years, and for for eighteen

1023
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: and a half years it was as successful a partnership

1024
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: as you could have in business, right, and both of

1025
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: us prospered unbelievably from it. And then maybe, as in relationships,

1026
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, it ran its course and it was no

1027
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: longer working for for him. I was still working okay

1028
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: for me, but it wasn't working for him, and certainly

1029
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: his right to make that decision. And and and I

1030
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: actually didn't fight it. It It was like, okay, well, let's

1031
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: just do this the nice way. And as you know,

1032
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: we all have friends where you know, they've had great

1033
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: partner ships and marriages for very long periods of time,

1034
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: and at the end they recognize they had a lot

1035
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: of great years together and there's a friendship there, and

1036
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: you can go your separate ways and still root for

1037
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: and care for someone you spent all that you can

1038
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: consciously on couple, even in business. And I thought that's

1039
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: what should have happened. And it's listed literally this was

1040
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: the complete opposite. And trust me, books have been written

1041
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: about it. It was as nasty as it gets in business.

1042
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: And so I look back at that and thank god,

1043
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, I would love a do over on that.

1044
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great yeah. And but that's

1045
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: one of that's like a that's another big, big life

1046
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: learning experience. I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you.

1047
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the last one at the have

1048
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: a moment here because we of course thought it, and I, uh,

1049
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: it is actually the one of the greatest lessons that

1050
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: I ever learned in my life. And to this day,

1051
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: I try and live by these words. So when I

1052
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: was like eight or nine years old, my dad took

1053
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: me to see a movie called Spartacus. So this is

1054
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: in a late you know, like or seven or nine

1055
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: or somewhere around there. And Spartacus starred Kirk Douglas. And

1056
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to understand today, but then Spartacus was Batman

1057
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: like that moment in time. This was like a hero,

1058
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: a genuine hero who sacrifice for the greater good. Blah blah. Okay.

1059
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: So several decades later, I'm making a movie at Disney

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Speaker 1: called Tough Guys, the Last Movie with Burt Lancaster and

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Speaker 1: Kirk Douglas starring in it. And uh, I go one

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Speaker 1: day to have on a lunch break, I have a

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Speaker 1: lunch date with Kirk Douglas and which I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: see him in his trailer, and uh, when I get

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Speaker 1: to his trailer, he's got all these engineers and people

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Speaker 1: are hard hats and blueprints and all of this. Literally

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Speaker 1: like fifteen of them in it. And as you know,

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Speaker 1: I knocked on the door and he throws them all

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Speaker 1: out and I come in and they go, well, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing, Kurt? What was what was that? And

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Speaker 1: he said, well, uh, I've been doing with my wife Ann.

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Speaker 1: Over the years, we've been rebuilding every year, you know,

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Speaker 1: between ten and twenty playgrounds at public schools. And today

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Speaker 1: was my meeting of the next five playgrounds that we're

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Speaker 1: going to do. And I said, what do you mean.

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Speaker 1: He said, literally, you know that have enough money in

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Speaker 1: the public schools in this and I think that these

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Speaker 1: kids for after school and for you know, recreational breaks

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Speaker 1: and stuff, they should have great places to play, right,

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Speaker 1: And I went wow, I said, I've never heard about this,

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Speaker 1: but how many of you done so well? You know,

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Speaker 1: there's four hundred and fifty schools or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: He said, I think we've done like a hundred fifty

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Speaker 1: what you know, in each one course a couple hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars and millions and millions and millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: And he's been doing it for years. And I said, gosh,

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Speaker 1: that's that's really amazing. And I said, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: also incredible as it's like like no one's ever heard

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Speaker 1: about it. And he said yeah, and I said, uh, okay,

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Speaker 1: So why right the question I asked my father, I'm

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Speaker 1: now asking Kirk Douglas And these are the words that

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Speaker 1: he said to me. You haven't learned how to live

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Speaker 1: until you've learned how to give. Oh. I love that

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Speaker 1: and that's so good. And I would say when those

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Speaker 1: words come from Spartacus, yeah, the biggest hero that's it

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Speaker 1: paved your life and all the philanthropy that you do

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Speaker 1: and that's so beautiful. Um, well, then this is a

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Speaker 1: good The last thing I want to ask you, because

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Speaker 1: I asked, it's called I call it successful relationships, and

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Speaker 1: it's people who are both successful who have been together

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Speaker 1: for decades. You obviously have exceeded my expectations on that

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Speaker 1: one too, But I've gotten such amazing, honest advice from

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Speaker 1: Dr Drew yesterday said just each day. It's we've been

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Speaker 1: together for forty years also, I think, but they said

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Speaker 1: every day, it's just about today, and other people say,

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Speaker 1: we give each other space, we check in with each other,

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Speaker 1: So just you know, some not run of the mill

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Speaker 1: advice that was just like cliche, But what really you

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Speaker 1: notice that makes it a successful relationship that you have.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I it's hard to express. I just

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, I look at my wife every day.

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Speaker 1: She's is perfect to me today and is beautiful and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh inspiring to me today as she was

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Speaker 1: the first day I met her and that was fifty

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Speaker 1: years ago. That's amazing. That's beautiful. But so do you

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Speaker 1: work at it? Do you invest in your relationship or

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Speaker 1: just comes easy to you? Do you believe in therapy?

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Speaker 1: Have you had moments where you needed to connect back?

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Speaker 1: Probably we should go we should become research primates because

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Speaker 1: because we're we've never fall we've never had we've had

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Speaker 1: this agreement, never actually had an argument that would you know,

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Speaker 1: where there's a where we stopped talking. You know, we

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Speaker 1: just well your kids are lucky that we don't yell.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's ever you know, never raised my voice to her,

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Speaker 1: never raised your voice to me, you know, and you

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Speaker 1: know we've just agreed to you know, we just we

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Speaker 1: make room for each other in a great way. And

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Speaker 1: my reward is you know, a you know, extraordinary incomparable partnership.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was going to say, that's your teammates,

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Speaker 1: so there's no reason to or you're on the same team.

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that people need to really having

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Speaker 1: their bodies about relationships. That you're on the same team,

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Speaker 1: which requires trust, you know, which retris so you've been

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Speaker 1: together for so long. I'm just saying, if you say

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Speaker 1: to me, jevery you can close your eyes, open your

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Speaker 1: eyes and pick anybody in the world that you can

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Speaker 1: be with. I pick her. Oh, I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: meet her. I want to meet her. Wow, well please

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Speaker 1: tell her, I said alone. Your kids are very lucky

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Speaker 1: to have role models like you, And it was I'm

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Speaker 1: so grateful. This was one of my I went longer.

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Speaker 1: I could talk to you for hours, Like there's certain

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Speaker 1: people that I just I'm a like a like I'm

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Speaker 1: a sponge too. So thank you so much for this

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Speaker 1: time and this wisdom. And I really appreciate to be

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Speaker 1: with you. Congratulating we appreciate you so bad was extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it really just was wisdom. That was like

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Speaker 1: getting a master class. Just please listen to everything he said.

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Speaker 1: It was so authentic, so genuine never does anyone say

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Speaker 1: we have to stop, like he was asking me if

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Speaker 1: he could talk about something else, Like I would have

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Speaker 1: sat here for two hours. I don't want to take

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Speaker 1: up someone's time too much, and I like, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'd rather leave us wanting a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than than drag it out. But I just have to

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Speaker 1: say at every minute, that was amazing. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 1: Rate review, and subscribe. We keep going deeper, we keep

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Speaker 1: getting better, We're every time I'm surprised by the things

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Speaker 1: that people say. And in that case, one of my

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Speaker 1: producers just brought up such an insightful thing is that

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Speaker 1: a big business public failure wasn't as a massive monetary failure,

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Speaker 1: wasn't as big of a blow to something nuanced and personal,

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Speaker 1: like to something that sort of felt like it hurt

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Speaker 1: his feelings on some way, you know, it just didn't

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Speaker 1: seem like ethical or correct. So anyway, that was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. I appreciate you. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for the next one. Thanks