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Speaker 1: Body Facts to Joseph Scott.

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Speaker 2: Three years ago, I was asked at my university to

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Speaker 2: start a cold case class, and knowing what I know

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Speaker 2: about cold cases, and knowing where we are in this

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Speaker 2: world that we inhabit now in forensic science and in investigations,

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Speaker 2: I felt that it was incumbent upon me, someone that

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Speaker 2: had been on cold case squads in the past, that

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Speaker 2: I should initiate this class and introduce my students, at

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Speaker 2: least at an undergraduate level, through the process of cold

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Speaker 2: case because it is highly complex and for me, I

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Speaker 2: wanted to introduce my children. My kids at Jacksonville State

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Speaker 2: University fill up my children sometimes to the methodologies they're employed.

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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you something. Two years in

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Speaker 2: a row, independent of one another, my students selected the

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Speaker 2: same case without knowing about the other group, to present

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Speaker 2: in class, to run down the leads, to try to

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Speaker 2: understand it, to try to make sense of it. And

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Speaker 2: I knew at that moment time when I had a

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Speaker 2: second class that chose this same case, I knew that

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Speaker 2: it was something I needed to talk about on bodybacks

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Speaker 2: and it's an absolutely heartbreaking case. So today we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about the death the murder of Blake Chappelle.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this welcome to Crime Con

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Nashville. And thank you to our host

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Speaker 2: here at Gaylord. I really appreciate it, and thank you

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Speaker 2: for all of our fans that have turned out, Dave,

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Speaker 2: all of our friends, we'd like to call you guys

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Speaker 2: friends as opposed to fans. We get such great comments

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Speaker 2: from you, all encouragement which we need on a regular basis.

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Speaker 2: And today, Dave, I want to discuss a case that

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Speaker 2: is actually not too far away from where we live

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Speaker 2: in Alabama, just literally across the state lines over in

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Speaker 2: a place called Coweda County. And it might be a

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Speaker 2: case that I think that if we have if we

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Speaker 2: have parents in this classroom, I mean in this boy I.

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Speaker 1: Guess play one on radio.

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Speaker 2: If if we have parents, which I know that we

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Speaker 2: do here, we can identify with the struggles of life.

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Speaker 2: We can understand what it's like not to have much

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Speaker 2: money at the end of the month, and are we

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Speaker 2: going to be able to provide a living for our children?

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Speaker 2: And today I want to talk about Blake Chappelle and

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Speaker 2: his life with his mama that he you know he'd

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Speaker 2: been with for all of these years, and hey, they

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Speaker 2: were on hard times.

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Speaker 3: Just so you know, this case has multi levels to it.

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Speaker 3: It's the murder of Blake Chappelle. It starts in twenty

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Speaker 3: eleven with his murder and it just had an it's unsolved,

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Speaker 3: but a new break in the case in March of

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Speaker 3: this year. So we're talking a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 3: Police were serving search warrants on this case. When we

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Speaker 3: were prepping for crime con we saw this and went,

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Speaker 3: holy moly, good timing. Maybe we'll have something to add, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, we'll get into in a minute. But

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Speaker 3: he somewout Blake Chappelle and his mom, Melissa, and they

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Speaker 3: didn't have much money. To give you an idea, Blake

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Speaker 3: found it very important as a teen to help his

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Speaker 3: who didn't complain about it. He went to a Fenius

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Speaker 3: because parents say your kids can't have them, but when

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Speaker 3: they get to school, hey, who's got one? And what

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Speaker 3: he did he marked him up. So he's picking him

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Speaker 3: by a bucket piece, and he's making money that way.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you.

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Speaker 3: There aren't too many kids that think that way Blake did.

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Speaker 3: He's also one of those kids that everybody liked. Nobody

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Speaker 1: So we've got a kid.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, his mother, she couldn't have been

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Speaker 3: forty ish, right, yeah, has an She had a stroke.

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Speaker 3: So we're already impoverished. My mom has a stroke. I'm

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Speaker 3: selling monster drinks at school to have some spending money

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Speaker 3: and buy some shoes. That's the kind of kid Blake

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Speaker 3: Chappelle was. When he's in tenth grade, he writes an

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Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing.

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Speaker 3: He says it be three months homeless, and yet they

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Speaker 3: already grown the maturity in that essay was phenomenal, and

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Speaker 3: all I could think of, This is the kid I

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Speaker 3: see what happened to him breaks your heart. The fact

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Speaker 3: that all these years later we're talking about this and

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Speaker 3: his mom doesn't know who did it.

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Speaker 1: The police don't know who did it.

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Speaker 3: The only people they've ever even thought about, they haven't

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Speaker 3: even told us their names. And they've cleared two of

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Speaker 3: the three people. The third person they know wasn't there.

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Speaker 3: So they've got three persons of interest. They've cleared two

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Speaker 3: That's how unsolved this case is.

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Speaker 2: So we're coming into it cold in this sense, and

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Speaker 2: it is a cold case. And to go ahead and

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Speaker 2: kind of give you a little preview, Blake's body was

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Speaker 2: actually found tossed away like garbage in a stream in

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Speaker 2: a creek adjacent to and this is kind of the

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Speaker 2: irony of it. I find it's a relatively affluent area

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Speaker 2: where he was found. As a matter of fact, the

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Speaker 2: And you know, Blake is probably the kid that would

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Speaker 2: never have an opportunity to join a golf club, but

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Speaker 2: here he is. His mortal remains are found there and

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Speaker 2: they're in a state of decomposition. And here we have

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Speaker 2: this young man whose life has been snuffed out. But

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Speaker 2: I think that it's important to understand as well, you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of how it all started relative to when he disappeared,

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Speaker 2: when Blake. Actually this whole thing starts, you know, like

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Speaker 3: Actually begins way before that and begains the story that

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Speaker 3: we have to break out. And the reason it's so

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Speaker 3: confusing is Blake had a girlfriend that ran away from

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Speaker 3: home in May.

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Speaker 1: This happened in October.

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Speaker 3: And if you back up to May, that's where one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 2: And here's here's the rub, if you will. This young lady,

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Speaker 2: scot A Skyler that he was involved with, had a

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Speaker 3: This is the guy you see on TV shows where

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Speaker 3: you go you know, that's the guy that did it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you're ten.

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Speaker 3: Minutes into the Lifetime movie going. Okay, he's the only

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Speaker 1: That's him.

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Speaker 2: He has the news coming on now so yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what trailer park are they hiding in? Now? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is this guy packing a gun? And what he? Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, that's why the girl ran away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you can imagine, Blake was not the

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Speaker 1: But she had. He was tried to nine.

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Speaker 2: She was trying to track He was trying to track

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Speaker 2: her down, and he was essentially trying to inject or

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Speaker 2: he finds her.

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Speaker 1: He did well.

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Speaker 3: They actually had been dating, but they had broken up

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Speaker 3: the heart of Blake. They're not even an item. Blake

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Speaker 1: He finds her.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to convince her to go back home, because

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Speaker 3: this doesn't end well when you runaway and your parents

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Speaker 3: are looking for you, even if it is a bad stepfather.

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Speaker 3: Problem is stepdad and two of his buddies are also

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Speaker 3: looking for Skyler, and they find her and Blake. Because

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Speaker 3: Blake found her first, stepdad and two of his redneck

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Speaker 3: pro seeds to beat this sixteen year old kid, and

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Speaker 3: I said five nine one five, that's a very slight

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Speaker 3: young man. That's not a heavy eye. And this man

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Speaker 3: beat him. And then this stepfather filed charges against Blake.

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Speaker 3: It was custodial interference. This stepfather convinced the police that

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Speaker 3: Blake convinced Schalar to run away with him and he

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Speaker 3: And because Blake was in such a financial situation, not

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Speaker 3: front of a judge, they dropped the charges. But this

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Speaker 3: The stepfather was never charged.

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Speaker 1: No, he wasn't.

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Speaker 2: And if memory serves me correctly, he had actually presented

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Speaker 2: And if you can imagine this year, just imagine you

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Speaker 1: In your life.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you were sixteen, you were you thought

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Speaker 2: will throw you curveballs, want it And suddenly the big

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he knows this guy's history because it's coming

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Speaker 2: from his girlfriend. And this big, robust guy pulls up

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Speaker 2: Now Blake later relates all of this, but he's he's

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Speaker 2: as Dave had mentioned, and we have to go back

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Speaker 2: to the situation with Blake and his mother. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if any of you guys have ever experienced poverty

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Speaker 2: in your life. I come from a family that's like that,

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Speaker 2: that's broken. We had nothing, me and my mom, and

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Speaker 2: I understand what it's like to live off of baloney

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Speaker 2: nothing between it. Can you imagine Mom has a stroke

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Speaker 2: five six years earlier. She's got a son who desperately

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we're going to be able to

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Speaker 2: make the note on the rent this month. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if we're going to be able to keep lights

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Speaker 2: on this month. You can forget about internet, own your phone.

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Speaker 2: You can't have a phone. He didn't get a phone

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Speaker 2: until some time later. And then it was a pay

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Speaker 2: as you go text phone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, text only. The phone we're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: in a few minutes. Yeah, it was text only.

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Speaker 2: It was text only. So they're scraping by. Can you

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Speaker 2: imagine what it would be like for to be a

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Speaker 2: and she has no way to really truly take care

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Speaker 2: But yet her son becomes almost like a surrogate husband

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Speaker 2: at that point in time where he's trying to provide,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the best way he can do this

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Speaker 2: I understand that, Yeah, I do too, And she's trying

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Speaker 2: he's got to integrate into a new school now, right,

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Speaker 1: Big deal like outside of the Southeast. Okay, it's a

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just don't have to unaccompanied. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 2: Think the chances are that Blake Chapel had a limo

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, to make sure we're on the same page here.

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Speaker 3: He's in a new school, he's got a new group

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Speaker 1: Na Ryan, it's spelled r I O N. Why do

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm just thinking I wish I'd

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Speaker 1: His mom, he's so close with her, he shares with her.

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Speaker 3: These videos of him dancing and tell it this is

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Speaker 3: So they're done by about ten o'clock or so.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Thank you mom, you know, and

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Speaker 3: It's important when you know everything else that comes next,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't Bible study, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Went to Austin's house. Mom dropped him off. So guess

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Speaker 1: It's several miles too.

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Speaker 3: It is okay, after they went to the convenience store

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Speaker 3: So you know, that's nothing for a couple of kids

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go.

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Speaker 3: As the father of two daughters, I can tell you

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Speaker 3: You're going to see an overweight, middle aged guy that

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Speaker 1: You're done and he knows me.

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't the dad that made the discovery. It

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Speaker 3: This shows you how smart sixteen year old kids are.

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Speaker 1: Granny. Yeah, he's snuck in through her window. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 2: And he then he starts on this journey where he's leaving.

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Speaker 2: But he's got this this phone that we had mentioned

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Speaker 2: It's not his mother, it's not Austin. It's actually Ryan's mother.

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Speaker 2: And what he is attempting to do is to apologize.

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Speaker 3: He actually said, I'm sorry, I broke your rules. That's

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Speaker 3: He's acknowledging he the rules that they had acknowledged it

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Speaker 2: No, I don't either, But you know, I think that

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Speaker 2: in is valuable to him. He doesn't have much in

439
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: the way of material items, so every relationship that he

440
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: has to me at least, is an indication that there's

441
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: value there. You know. Even if you go back to

442
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: the relationship that he had with Skyler, now they were

443
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 2: no longer an item, but yet they were staying in touch,

444
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: and he wanted to find her because she had run

445
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: away and there's there's an undercurrent with that relationship relative

446
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: to her family situation.

447
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: He thinking about how important that was to him.

448
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 3: I didn't think about it though, right now, that that's

449
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 3: why he was reaching out, because he wanted himend that

450
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: fence before it got totally torn down.

451
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you're talking about a kid that just

452
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: has been introduced into this environment. It's new. He's trying

453
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: to make friends. He's been at the home, and can

454
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 2: you imagine going to the heights of joy of being

455
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: able to express this out on the dance floor, to

456
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: enjoy your friends. You're laughing, you're carrying on, and you

457
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: make that one final decision where you're going to say,

458
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: you know what I think I'm gonna. I'm gonna I'm

459
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: gonna push all in here and see what happens. See

460
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 2: what happens. Can I make it back to her house

461
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 2: and engage in whatever kind of activity they were engaging

462
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: at that moment, Tom.

463
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: This is what happens when you do in Nancy Graci's show.

464
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: So often you have to act like you don't know

465
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: what they were really doing.

466
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: No, they were. They were telling stories, they were trading jokes,

467
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: That's what they were doing. Dave, talk to me in normal,

468
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: normal people speak. I'm just a.

469
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: So we're he's in this position where he's literally pleading

470
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: to be in her life. He's made a friend, he's

471
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: made probably an intimate friend at this moment in time,

472
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: and that's the one thing in value, these friendships that

473
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: he has. But here's the problem. When he exits that house,

474
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: when he starts back on this journey, this trek to

475
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: his home, he's never seen again.

476
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: A lot.

477
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: If you are in a situation where you don't know

478
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: where your child is, and I think that all of

479
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: us have experienced this over the courses of our lives collectively.

480
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: I know where my son is. He's here on the

481
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: front road right now, but I don't have to worry

482
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: about him anymore because he's in a old But those

483
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: moments in times reflect back, just for a second, when

484
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: you have children and you have this overwhelming fear that

485
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: kind of seeps into your soul, It kind of cork

486
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: screws into your spine. We were thinking, oh my gosh,

487
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: where's my child? Where's my child? And no matter how

488
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: much you scream, how much you plead, there's no bringing

489
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: them back at this point. And I think that most

490
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 2: of the time, and I think that this is the

491
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: way the police began to view this day, is that

492
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: when you have a sixteen year old that admittedly has

493
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: this kind of unbalanced life, I won't necessarily stay troubled.

494
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: Now he's spent time in jail, but that doesn't mean

495
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: he's a bad kid. And so, but for a mom

496
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: trying to find her child, I think that the authorities,

497
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: and we know this for a fact, they viewed this,

498
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: They viewed his absence as a runaway. And so you've

499
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: got a sixteen year old that and there are many

500
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: of them you hear about them here at crime con

501
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: that are missing out there that no one knows where

502
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: they are, and everybody's searching for them. But in this

503
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: particular case, people, for the longest period of time thought

504
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: thought that Blake was actually a runaway.

505
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: And I remember he left the house sometime around four thirty.

506
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: You know, we've gone through this timeline of when they

507
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: got back home, when he left to go back to

508
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: Ryan's house, when dad or grandma caught them, and when

509
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: he left. But what we do have is the text messages.

510
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: You know, he had the phone. We mentioned it was

511
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: a pre pay text only plan at the time, this

512
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, and he was texting Ryan while he was

513
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: after he had left, he texted the mom, I'm really

514
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 3: sorry I broke the rules texting Ryan. He actually texts

515
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: her between five and five thirty that morning while he's

516
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: walking and he tells her I've been stopped by the

517
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: popo around five o'clock, he says, the police. Now, there

518
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: are two different things serving that area. One is the

519
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: County Sheriff's Department Kwiedi Counting, and then there's the police

520
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: department that could have also been stopped. But nobody has

521
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 3: a record of that.

522
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 2: Nobody. And that's one of the striking things about this

523
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: case is that why why would a sixteen year old

524
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: state that he had been stopped by the police at

525
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: that time of day. Why would they have a record

526
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: of that? But yet the police, I mean, who would

527
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: even begin to think that up unless it's just this

528
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: fanciful thing that he's talking to Ryan about to try to,

529
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, get sympathy or whatever the case might be.

530
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: But he did complain in that text about being cold

531
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: he's walking.

532
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Think about it.

533
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: Now, we're talking in the middle of October in the South.

534
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: I mean it does get cold here and October fifteenth.

535
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, October fifteenth, Yeah, that's davy chilly.

536
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's not be freezing, but yeah, he's not

537
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: wearing well, we know that he left his overcoat and jacket.

538
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: We know the only thing he wore when he went

539
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: to Ryan's house was this long sleeve shirt. He left

540
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: his other stuff at Austin's house. So when we're kind

541
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: of assuming here because we don't know, we have to

542
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: put peace together because we know that the police and

543
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: Sheriff's purnt don't have any record of an officer coming

544
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: into contact with any teenager that time, no record of

545
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: that anywhere. We just have the text messages between Blake

546
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: and Ryan.

547
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: And procedurally, what in case you're not aware of it anytime?

548
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: And you see these on these these procedural show, well procedural,

549
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: let's just say that it's cops or something like that,

550
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: where if a police officer pulls somebody over, and in

551
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: this case they're stopping a pedestrian, most of the time

552
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: they'll say, uh, you know, the police officer or the

553
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: traffic would go something like, yeah, headquarters, be vised. I've

554
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: got a young white male. Uh, he's a pedestrian. I'm

555
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: going to step out and talk to him.

556
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: Because what if the guy pulls a gun and shoots him? Yeah,

557
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: and if he doesn't call it in, nobody knows, and

558
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: there's a record of that.

559
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: Most of the time. But you know, you can have

560
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: these events where a police officer might see somebody walking

561
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: down the street, and just keep in mind every time

562
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: that you record that many times deepending upon the department,

563
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: you're going to have to write a report.

564
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: All right.

565
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: So did a police officer pull up adjacent to him

566
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: and say, hey, son, why are you out at this time?

567
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: What are you doing out here? Because it doesn't make sense.

568
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: There's no one around here, why are you here this

569
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: sort of thing? And of course there's no record of it.

570
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: And that's that's where you know, raw, I mean, that's

571
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: where Blake at this point in tom except for this

572
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: interaction that he had with Ryni, he kind of falls

573
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: off of the face of the planet. We don't know

574
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: what's happened to him.

575
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: Done at that moment, all contact with Blake ceases. And

576
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: by the way, from that moment on, nobody talked to him,

577
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: nobody saw him. There was no tax message, nothing after

578
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: five point thirty in the morning on that time, right

579
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: after you say he saw the police.

580
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this is October. We've gone into the

581
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: morning from October fifteenth, which the dance was on that night.

582
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: Now we're into the morning of October sixteenth, he's not seen,

583
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: so they put out a bolo for him.

584
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: Well, and it actually shows for the family, remember, yeah,

585
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: because first it's like, yeah, they're checking because well, Brian,

586
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: we know he pushed him out of our house at

587
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: the you know, in before the sun was up. Did

588
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: he make it back d Austin's house. He didn't make

589
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: it back Dawston's house. So now Ryan and her parents

590
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: know that where's Blake. Now they don't call his mom

591
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: right away, and this is a little frustrating for me

592
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: as a parent. You don't know where my kid is

593
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: and he was in your house and you're telling me

594
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: at eleven thirty in the day. It took hours before

595
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: they notified Melissa that they didn't know where he was.

596
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, Ryan's dad went out hunting at eight

597
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: o'clock that morning. I don't know about you being in

598
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: the southeast. I'm talking to Joe about men don't go

599
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: out hunting at eight in the morning. You go out

600
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: hunting at four in the morning. You don't leave the

601
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: house at eight in the morning. But that's what Ryan's

602
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: dad did. He went hunting at eight in the morning.

603
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: He's already out there when they call him and say, hey,

604
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: we can't find Blake. You need to come home. They

605
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: still haven't called Melissa. All the talking has been between Ryan,

606
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: her mom, Grandma, her dad, and Austin, and that's all

607
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: we've got. Then they finally when they can't find him,

608
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: you know, they drive the route between the houses, can't

609
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: see him anywhere. Then they notify Melissa. She finds out

610
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: and immediately calls police. Hey, my son is missing. Go

611
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: find him.

612
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you. For the next six weeks,

613
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: seven weeks, eight weeks, they're not really even looking for him.

614
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: Oh, they did the basics right. They checked the route

615
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: that he went on. They might have walked it, they

616
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: drove it. They didn't see anything. He ran away because

617
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: he had been involved with Skyler six months earlier and

618
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: she had run away and he was with her, and

619
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: oh my goodness, he's probably just running away from a

620
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: bad situation.

621
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: That's how they played it. He was not a bad kid.

622
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: December rolls around, Yeah, December nineteenth rolls around, and you

623
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: have you have pedestrian traffic that's adjacent to this golf

624
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: course and to the driving range, and someone happens to

625
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: look down over this tiny little bridge that's in this

626
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: kind of bucolic looking setting. The leaves are you know,

627
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: are changing. You know, in December, you still have leaves

628
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: on the trees in this area of the country. It's

629
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: cool out. They look over look down in the creek

630
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: and there they spy something that doesn't quite fit with

631
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: the rest of the scenery, if you will. And that's

632
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: where they found this young man's body, adjacent to the

633
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: shoreline of this little creek. It's hung in brush. He's

634
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: only wearing an undershirt and a pair of underwear his pants,

635
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, shorts, his shorts, and he's absent everything else.

636
00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: There's no phone, there's no money, there's no idea, there

637
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: is absolutely nothing now at this point in time, no

638
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: shoes whatsoever. And this is a big question, I think

639
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: from a forensic standpoint when I begin to contemplate this

640
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: and kind of the actions that go hand in hand

641
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: with this, would you dump somebody right there? Or could

642
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: they narrow down the location where he was last seen?

643
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: Is this part of the route. There's all kinds of

644
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: things that play into this, because you know, I've worked

645
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: cases over the years where people have just taken bodies

646
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: and thrown them into bodies of water. What do you

647
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: think the number one I'm asking this question truly, this

648
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: is not rhetorical. What do you think the number one

649
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 2: reason is that people like to take bodies and toss

650
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: them into water. You're back to get rid of evidence,

651
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 2: to get rid of evidence, and to make that trace

652
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: evidence or anything that's there disappear, essentially. And I've contemplated

653
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: this about Blake's case, and I've really wondered had someone

654
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: taken him and driven him about, had someone you know,

655
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: attempted to terrify him or terrorize him, because you know,

656
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 2: when they finally got his body back to the State

657
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: Medical Examiner's office, Blake had an intermediate gunshot woman to

658
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: the back.

659
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: Of his Heady. You say, intermediate, how far are we

660
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: talking to you?

661
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, with an intermedia it's really we measure it

662
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: in inches. So when you begin to think about firearms

663
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: and a lot of it, you can't. This is not

664
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 2: a static number, all right, So people will have very there.

665
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 2: There's variability here when someone is fired upon like this

666
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: and they're shot the you know, the project is not

667
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: the only thing coming out of the weapon. You guys

668
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: have been at crime com long enough to understand that

669
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: you also have what remains behind as far as unburnt powder,

670
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: any kind of other debris that might be in the

671
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: barrel of the weapon, And so you're going to have

672
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: this deposition on the area that is being struck by

673
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: the projectile, and it will kind of rain in. It

674
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: loses velocity really quickly. So if you're thinking about perhaps

675
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: unburned powder which leads to stipling, you've heard that term

676
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: that it surrounds the injury, it's not. It doesn't have

677
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: the same aerodynamic qualities as say, for instance, a projectile

678
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 2: lead core projectile. And you can do this at home

679
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: if you'll just take a bit of baby powder and

680
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: put it in your hand like this and blow it,

681
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: and particularly in front of a mirror, you'll see it

682
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: begin to kind of rain down. You think, God, Morgan,

683
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: that's kind of simplistic. Well, it's science, and it's very simplistic.

684
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: It's we understand this. The aerodynamic qualities of this powder

685
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: kind of drift down. So you have to be close enough, now,

686
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: get a hold of this concept. You have to be

687
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 2: close enough so that when that weapon is initiated, it's

688
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: going to imprint, imprint that unburned powder onto the surface

689
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: of the skin. Okay, so it'll be just underneath you'll

690
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: see these little flecks of powder that are there microscopically,

691
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: we can take them out. We can also take tissue

692
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 2: sections and take a look at this, and depended upon

693
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: how close it is, you'll have like within underneath the scalp,

694
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: you can actually see smoke that's there that's deposited. It'll

695
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll have a greasy ring. Sometimes you'll have this

696
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: kind of staining that goes on. So dependent upon how

697
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: far away you are is going to dictate the amount

698
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: of this debris that winds upon the skin. So with

699
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: an intermediate round, you've got a projectile that's entering the

700
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: head and the rest of the breeze following away. But

701
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: there is essentially enough there to get an idea of

702
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: range of fire. That's why they're calling it an intermediate round. Now,

703
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 2: to this date, the police have not released the actual

704
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: caliber of the weapon that was used. I think one

705
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: of my big questions because they haven't released the autopsy

706
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 2: report on Blake's remains, is well, what type of caliber

707
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: was this? They're saying pistol caliber, so that can mean

708
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: anything from you know, a twenty two caliber pistol all

709
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: the way up to you know, there's fifty caliber pistol.

710
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: So you've got that broad of a spectrum here. Now,

711
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 2: if I were betting man, I'd say, you know, you're

712
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 2: probably one of the most the most common caliber relative

713
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: to a semi automatic, it's going to be a nine millimeter.

714
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: That's what most most people are going to carry. You'll

715
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: have fortys. If people still carry revolvers, you might have

716
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: a thirty eight. But that's a very common round to have.

717
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: So did they recover around out Blake's skull? They haven't stated.

718
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: Is it a throw and through wound? It was just

719
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: one shot though, right, it's a single shot.

720
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: Isn't that odd?

721
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: Though? That somebody that is shot and not right up

722
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 3: against the head. But you're talking a little distance away.

723
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: Normally we have multiple shots, even if it is to

724
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: the head. Just to make sure, you know, could you

725
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 3: always talk about the kill shot but not in this case.

726
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is a proximity So shot in the head, yeah,

727
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: shot in the back of the head from what we understand.

728
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: And so you've got this And I always talk about

729
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: in relation to firearms, I always talk about a symmetry

730
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: so if you've got someone that is actually being killed,

731
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: you will have the perpetrator, and this is kind of obvious.

732
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: You have them in a dominant position over the victims,

733
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: so they're firing down many times. So you'll have these

734
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: trajectories that enter on the posterior aspect of the skull,

735
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: for instance, and they proceed, you know, forward, So you'll

736
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: have this kind of above to below, a front to back,

737
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: and then you can say whether or not it's from

738
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 2: left to right or from right to left directionality. But

739
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: why is that important? Well, it's important because it gives

740
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: you an insight into the intimacy of the relationship between

741
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: the victim in this case, Blake, and the perpetrator. So

742
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: who would have the ability to take this young man,

743
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 2: the sixteen year old, and put him into a position

744
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: where they are dominant over him with a weapon. We

745
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: already know he's had one weapon presented to him at

746
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: some point in time within the last few months in

747
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: his life. Okay, so there's probably an endowell in fear.

748
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, guys, but I can speak

749
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: to myself. If somebody presents with a weapon in my

750
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: face or adjacent to me, there's a chance. You know,

751
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: a lot of us can be real bold and we

752
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: can say things, but when you're staring down the barrel

753
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: of a weapon, you're going to, at least to a

754
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: certain degree, you're going to submit. Okay, And you're talking

755
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: about sixteen year old kid. So what do you do?

756
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: Do you take him and put him on the ground

757
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: and stand over him and fire into him. Do you

758
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: have him in the back seat of a car. Do

759
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: you go into the backseat of the car with him

760
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: and fire into him. Do you take him to some

761
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: other location, perhaps shoot him there, maybe leave a casing.

762
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: Maybe you're smart enough to recover the casing. Then you

763
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: put him into a vehicle and you transport him to

764
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: that location. Either way, I think that there is probably

765
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: we can surmise that there's probably a vehicle involved in this.

766
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: And what would be really interesting, and we're so far

767
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: down the road now, I don't know if it would

768
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: be possible to recover this, but any kind of biological

769
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: evidence or firearms evidence that you could find in a

770
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: suspected vehicle. But you know, we're I don't know, Dave,

771
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: We're many years down, right.

772
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: Thirteen years, Yeah, the thirteen is October.

773
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: I'm thinking is if he's in the car and well,

774
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: first of all, time of day. Okay, you're talking about

775
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: controlling somebody that for no reason. I mean again, talk

776
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: five o'clock in the morning. Let's just use that as

777
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: a as a time. Okay, between five and five thirty am.

778
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: Who knows he's walking on the road at that time?

779
00:41:59,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

780
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: Who would know that this child, yeah is going to

781
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: be alone. Yeah, is going to be alone that there's

782
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: not going to be anybody else around him. He's already

783
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: been in a very distressing Can you just vision this

784
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: for a moment. You've got a kid, and I know

785
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: I mentioned this earlier, but just imagine he's at the height,

786
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: he's at the ultimate ecstasy in his life relative to

787
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 2: this dance. Right, we already know that he's he's reached

788
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: out to Mama and told her this best night of

789
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: my life. And then all of a sudden, you know,

790
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: he makes this decision with this young lady, goes into

791
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: a room. He's horribly embarrassed. Of anybody in here ever

792
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: been embarrassed like this?

793
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: I have.

794
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: You're in these circumstances, you're humiliated. Now you're you're hoping

795
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: that you can just hold on to some semblance of

796
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: this new life.

797
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: It kind of depends on interrupted as to how he

798
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 3: really felt about it.

799
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, I know exactly, and you don't know.

800
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: I can tell you a little bit earlier than it's

801
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: a little different than if it's later.

802
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Right, But either way, saying you've got you've got somebody

803
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: from an older general that comes in into this room.

804
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: How embarrassing he is?

805
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: I forgot about granny. Yeah, there you got. And so

806
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: you imagine that scream.

807
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: I know, and he's totally he's totally humiliated at this

808
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: point in time or relative to relative to what has

809
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: occurred in his life in this very short period of time.

810
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: And now he's cast out of the house. He's on

811
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: his own. He's reaching out to this young lady and

812
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: to her mother, and then he vanishes off the face

813
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 2: of the planet.

814
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: Here.

815
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: You know, there's all kinds of rumors that have kind

816
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: of floated around about about Blake's death. And Dave laid

817
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 2: this one on me real quick. You had mentioned this,

818
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: Uh there, there's actually this this blurb that came out.

819
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: What was it?

820
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 3: I said that there's a podcast And this is why

821
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: you kind of have to be careful of what you

822
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: listen to there's a podcaster who's claiming that the autopsy

823
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: report that the police said the body had only been

824
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: in the creek for a week. Now, if Blake's body

825
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: had only been in that creek for a week, where

826
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: was he for the seven weeks between the time he

827
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: was last heard from until the time they found him.

828
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: Now.

829
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: I'm telling you this because I hit him up with

830
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: it this morning when we were just you know, you

831
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: want to get updated. I want to come in here

832
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: and not have the most current stuff for you guys.

833
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: And I saw that he said, hey, have you seen

834
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: this anywhere? So I spent an hour today trying to

835
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: verify this. I'm talking about calling the police, calling the sheriff,

836
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: calling anybody I could of the GBI, and I can't

837
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: find anybody that'll verify.

838
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: They said, the autopsy.

839
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: Report hasn't been released, period, So whoever is claiming this

840
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: and a podcast is making it up so we can

841
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 3: throw that out the window. It doesn't make sense that

842
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: because you realize that if that's the case, then somebody

843
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: had his body stashed for seven weeks and then.

844
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Decided to kill him.

845
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: I think most of us would believe that he was

846
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 3: probably killed the last night he made that last text.

847
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what we have learned is that his body

848
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: was actually beginning to change colors. And that's a marker

849
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: for us from a medical legal perspective. There's desicate even

850
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: though he's just follow me here just for a second,

851
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: give me some rope. Even though he's in a water,

852
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 2: an aquatic environment, and he's not fully submerged.

853
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: He was floating anyway on the brush. There in the

854
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: brush he is.

855
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, the location where he is

856
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: found is not a location that you would walk down

857
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: to the bank. And the reason I know this is

858
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: that the first group, the first group of my students

859
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: that presented this case two years ago, now, they physically

860
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: drove out there. They went to this site, my students did.

861
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: And you can't access the water this way. You would

862
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: have to go through so much brush in order to

863
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: do so. That leaves us with one conclusion right relative

864
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: to the bridge, that more than likely, there's a high

865
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: probability that he.

866
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: Was pushed Williams.

867
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, pushed pushed off the bridge, and he's there in

868
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: the water, and he is hung in the brush. His

869
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: body is in a state. If if we are to

870
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: believe what has been reported that the body is decomposed

871
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: so badly. He had a lip ring that was right

872
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: here that he got into a lot of trouble over

873
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: with his mother, and additionally into that he had gotten

874
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: a Playboy Bunny tattoo.

875
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: It was one of the ways they identified him, and

876
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: he was really not happy about that.

877
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: And I think that it was an older brother that

878
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: was not in his life that had signed for it.

879
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: And so he's undressing at one moment in time and

880
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: she's like, what what is that? What is that on you?

881
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: You know, and he's like, oh, you know, I went

882
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: and got a tattoo. So that's how they had to

883
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: identify him. Okay, a chrome ring in his lip and

884
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: also the fact that he had this tattoo on his person,

885
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: and that's what they went with. I think they bolstered

886
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: that with with dental records later, but it puts them

887
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: on the right path at that point in time relative

888
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: to relative to who they thought this might be. And

889
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: there were you know, there were posters about at this

890
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: sort of thing and this sort of thing, you know,

891
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: relative to they were looking for him. But here here's

892
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: the thing when he's found and going back to the

893
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: condition of the body. Uh, he's only found in his

894
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: underwear and he has no personal belongings with him, including shoes,

895
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 2: which I think is is really something to look at

896
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: and cases that I've covered in the news and also

897
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: things that I have worked. We talk about embarrassment just

898
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: a little while ago. There is there any other kind

899
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: of situation. I know that there are many, but where

900
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: immediately you could really humiliate somebody and threaten them by

901
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: making them strip all of their clothes off because you feel,

902
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, very vulnerable before the world, and that that's

903
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: an active event that has to take place. Take your

904
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: clothes off, take your shoes off. That's an action event

905
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: where you're having and you're essentially putting him into submission

906
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: at that point time. Now, I guess it, and I

907
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: could say, I could say they stripped the clothes off

908
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: the body, but why leave the underwear. So when you

909
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: see this young man humiliated like this and his body

910
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: is dumped off like refuse off of this bridge and

911
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: he's found floating out there in the water, it really

912
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: it really gives you insight into I think the person

913
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: that may have done this, And go ahead.

914
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: What if dad caught him after Grandma caught him in

915
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: the bedroom with his sixteen year old daughter and your

916
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: old dad. He's got his underwear on, he's able to

917
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: pull that up. He barely got his shirt on. He

918
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: doesn't have a shit nothing, and dad loses it and

919
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 3: takes him off. He loads him up in the truck,

920
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: dumps him over the side of the river. He gets

921
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: rid of the clothes because he didn't have him on

922
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: to start with. He just finished up with my sixteen

923
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: year old daughter, you're dead. And then I'm going to

924
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: stage all this in case they decided to test me

925
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: for jess. All right, I'm going to go hunting at

926
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: eight in the morning.

927
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: And that's certainly something that has to be and I

928
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: hope that that is something that's being factored into the investigation.

929
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 3: They passed a polygraph test, so did his wife, Sutded Ryan,

930
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: and they searched their house.

931
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: No evidence of anything.

932
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: However, I have to say this to you, when my

933
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: kids chose to do this case, Dave was in this

934
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: past January. That's when this semester started, this previous semester.

935
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: Thank god it's over with now. When in January, when

936
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: I had my kids go through the process of selecting

937
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: the cold case they were going to cover they chose

938
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: Blake's case. As we were walking and you kind of

939
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: gave a hint at this earlier as we were working

940
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: our way through this case. My kids were at the time.

941
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: They came to me and they said, Professor Morian, you're

942
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: not going to believe this. But they served search warrants

943
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: in a place called Sharpsburg, Georgia. And this was back

944
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: in March.

945
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: When we were talking about the newest evidence.

946
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this came out and if you can expand

947
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: on that.

948
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: Just twenty fourth they had There have been two things

949
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: that have happened since this case, Okay, two big things,

950
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: one in twenty eleven, so it has to be between

951
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: December nineteenth and the end of the year. Police have

952
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: said in twenty eleven they received an anonymous tip that

953
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 3: had an information about the murder, actually real information. Years later,

954
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 3: they received a second anonymous tip letter. They believe it

955
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 3: is from the same person, and I believe it is

956
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: the combination of these tips that have led them to

957
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: what they have done. In the most recent search. In March,

958
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: they searched three separate locations in Sharpsburg, Georgia, and it

959
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: wasn't in any of the places that you would think.

960
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: And Joe and I were looking at this, going, well,

961
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: wait a minute, do the same people live in those

962
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: homes in the places that were searched, that were there

963
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: in twenty eleven. If they're not, they're searching the backyard.

964
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 2: So what would be buried in the backyard. What could

965
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: they recover back there? You know, how much effort does

966
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 2: it take to get rid of a young man's clothing

967
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: and also a phone? Not much. I mean, that could

968
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: have been burned up, It could have been disposed of

969
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: in any other number of ways. But why go to

970
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: that location and say that this does in fact have

971
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: something to do with the death of Blake.

972
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: But for the students did such an incredible job on this.

973
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: I have to tell you that for those of you

974
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: who have come to me and asked me about forensics,

975
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 3: to Jaysu the work. I had a chance to look

976
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: over this work that Joe sent me that they did.

977
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: I do it for a living, and I went to

978
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: school on the report they did. That's how good this was.

979
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: It was very thorough, it was professional, it was wonderful.

980
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, I'm hiring one of these guys now.

981
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: It was good.

982
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 2: Well, I'm very pleased. I'm very proud of my students

983
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: for bringing this case to us. And I felt that again,

984
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: you know the fact that two years in a row,

985
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: I had still a group of students that chose this

986
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: particular case. And trust me, we've got a lot of

987
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: cold cases in Alabama. There's a lot of cold cases

988
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: in Georgia. But you know, this is not too far

989
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: away from our campus in Jacksonville, Alabama. And to have

990
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: this happen two years in a row, and actually I

991
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: have students that have The students from the first group

992
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: came to a few different conclusions than second group, so

993
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: they weren't, you know, kind of feeding off of one another.

994
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: It really kind of gave me, I don't know, it

995
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: kind of gave me a chill, thinking this is probably

996
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: something that I need to explore with all of our friends.

997
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: There are fans of body bags, and certainly everybody here

998
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: at Crime com I'm Joseph Scott Moore, and this is

999
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: body bags.

1000
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: Mhm.