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Speaker 1: This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things election coverage.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: RFK Junior has announced that his and where we told

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Speaker 3: at one point who was in the mixicgo.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers and Jesse Ventura. So JEF fans

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Speaker 2: can relax out there. Your quarterback is not running for

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Speaker 2: vice president during football season.

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Speaker 3: I got to tell you, I think either of those

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Speaker 3: picks would have been more popular, at least with the

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Speaker 3: RFK Junior voter base than a I had never heard

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Speaker 3: of this person before, so and you and I we

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Speaker 3: make a living reading and thinking and talking about politics

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Speaker 3: all day. Never heard of Nicole Shanahan before in my life.

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe I saw some story back when the

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Speaker 3: Elon slash Sergei Brinn Wall Street Journal thing was published.

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Speaker 3: But before we get to that component of it, and

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Speaker 3: keep in mind you might be saying Buck third party Canada,

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Speaker 3: who cares about his VP? The data shows that it

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Speaker 3: really could come down to what RFK Junior's campaign effect,

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Speaker 3: What states does he get on the ballot, and who

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Speaker 3: votes for him in those states? That could determine the presidency.

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Speaker 3: So theoretically the future of America, maybe the future of

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Speaker 3: the world. So it could have I know that's a

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Speaker 3: bit of a butterfly effect view of things, but it

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Speaker 3: could have some major, major ramifications. But first up, at

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Speaker 3: his vice presidential announcement, he opened with a land acknowledgment

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Speaker 3: of the muwakma Olone Indian Are you familiar? I've never

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Speaker 3: heard of the mowakma Olone personally. I can't say that

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Speaker 3: I've celebrated their work, their whole catalog before. Yes, but

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Speaker 3: the mwakma Olone Indian tribe play.

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Speaker 4: For many.

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Speaker 5: Happy whoa wo opdy hedy hedy opy hedy Okay.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think there's words other than this like

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Speaker 2: this is.

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Speaker 3: I say we should this should be our new intro

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Speaker 3: music for a while. But anyway that would be that

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Speaker 3: would actually be amazing.

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Speaker 2: If we started the show by apologizing with the Native

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Speaker 2: Americans every show, every day we were.

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Speaker 3: Doing new a new chant apologizing for the trimee you

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Speaker 3: for Tennessee, be for Florida, Hey, Tennessee and Florida. A

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Speaker 3: lot of a lot of stuff happened there, A lot

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Speaker 2: And Tennessee named after whatever the the group was. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I uh that was here, or it's the

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Speaker 2: that I live in now.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, safe bet in America. If the name of

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Speaker 3: your town or city is long and hard to spell,

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Speaker 3: it's probably from a Native American tribe. So Tallahassee, you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of them. Yes, I'm just I'll start

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Speaker 3: with this, Clay. Anyone who would make the decision to

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Speaker 3: start a meeting with an acknowledgment of the stolen land

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Speaker 3: is someone that I do not trust. I will just

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Speaker 3: say it. I do not trust that person. I don't

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Speaker 3: care what other issues they're good on. This to me

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Speaker 3: is for for me, it's a disqualifier full of Yes.

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Speaker 2: This is by the way, some of you out there

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Speaker 2: happening at colleges all over the place. It is now

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Speaker 2: an apology to Native Americans for the fact that we

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Speaker 2: now live on their land, not make it up. This

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Speaker 2: that while you can agree with some of what RFK

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Speaker 3: Theory, he's going to be right once in a while, but.

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Speaker 2: You're also going to end up going down crazy rabbit holes.

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Speaker 2: And to me, that's a little bit what RFK Junior is.

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Speaker 2: He's the guy who recognizes and calls out some conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theories that are true, but also you're really kooky in

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Speaker 2: other areas. And so I think he's right on COVID.

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Speaker 2: I think he's right on government censorship. He's got those right.

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Speaker 2: But if this, remember this is a big event for him, Buck,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And to I know that he's very concerned with

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting. If you talk about conservation, then you'll

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Speaker 3: it means you're saying you believe in climate change, and

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Speaker 3: you double mass during COVID, and you know, you went

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Speaker 3: along with this monolith of establishment consensus science that's not

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Speaker 3: I mean what I just won'er know how long do

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Speaker 3: we still supposed to be saying I'm sorry that this

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Speaker 3: a shock to people. But all all countries are on

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Speaker 2: Know, the South Pacific, but also all those Native American

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Speaker 3: And there were they, you know, the uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: This notion that the only people that ever have done

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Speaker 3: A lot of people just don't know. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: Islamic white slave trade, right, the slave trade by Islamic

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Speaker 3: were insane. This went on for four hundred years. They

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Speaker 2: Like anyway, slavery, every person listening to us has ancestors

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Speaker 3: I mean, even if people had a basic, basic foundational

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the understanding of slavery as a multi thousand year

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Speaker 3: actually what happens. Now, that doesn't excuse the other stuff

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Speaker 3: omnipresent on campuses and in the media now too. Here's

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Speaker 3: RFK Junior naming We're getting back on track, naming his

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Speaker 6: I wanted someone who would honor the traditions or an

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Speaker 6: Asian as an Asian immigrants, but who also understands that

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Speaker 6: to be a nation, we need secure borders. And I

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Speaker 6: found all of those qualities in a woman who grew

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Speaker 6: overcame every daunting obstacle and went on to achieve the

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Speaker 6: highest levels of the American dream. So that is why

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Speaker 6: I'm so proud to introduce to you the next Vice

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Speaker 7: Or.

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Speaker 3: He wants somebody who can write huge checks because she

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Speaker 3: used to be married to a founder of Google and

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Speaker 2: That's a question. Part of this, yeah, huge part of it. Question.

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Speaker 2: She's the one who wrote underwrote the Super Bowl ad

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Speaker 2: that aired for RFK Junior, which was to your point.

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Speaker 2: You started off by saying, first time you had heard

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Speaker 2: but all of you out there too. RFK Junior third

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Speaker 8: If you're listening to twenty four The Year of Impact

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Speaker 2: Surpress, you mentioned the cash. You said, I'm finding it

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Speaker 2: something like five hundred million. You intended to put on

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Speaker 3: Now the bond's been produced, are you going to start putting.

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Speaker 6: Money into your campaign?

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Speaker 2: You haven't done that since twenty sixty.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it's none of your business. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Franklin but I might I might do that. I have

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Speaker 3: the option Trump saying that maybe he's going to take

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Speaker 3: some of the money that he's got since the bail

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Speaker 3: has been or the bond rather sorry has been reduced

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Speaker 3: from the huge sum. And now we've got truth social

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Speaker 3: on the horizon. The IPO is real, the stock is trading.

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Speaker 3: What happens in a legal side of things for the Trumpster.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk to our friend Andy McCarthy of National Review

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Speaker 3: and Fox News. Andy, great to have you just kind

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Speaker 3: of give us your state of play, if you would,

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Speaker 3: on what happens now. So he's got the money, what

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Speaker 3: are the next steps and what are the chances that

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Speaker 3: he ends up getting out of this thing somehow?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's going to take a long time.

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Speaker 7: I mean the next steps really are the appeal. I mean,

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Speaker 7: he's got ten days to put together this bond, but

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Speaker 7: I don't think that's going to be an issue for him,

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Speaker 7: So that'll be kind of uneventful I think by the

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Speaker 7: time it happens. But what that means is tiss James

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Speaker 7: will get a significant reduction in the disgorgement fine on appeal,

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Speaker 7: but that may take over a year. So you know,

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Speaker 7: So I think that they're estimating Clay that the case

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Speaker 7: like the Statute of Limitations. This really ought to just

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Speaker 7: he's made it thirty four felonies by taking every invoice,

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot.

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Speaker 7: Wrong with this case.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a good question because I think I've always

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Speaker 3: But I mean in the punishment phase, Andy, not the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, look, it's it's every count is four years,

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Speaker 3: It's completely insane.

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Speaker 7: It's no, it's nuts, But it's you know, in New

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Speaker 3: Well, Andy, this is my point. I know where you're going.

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Speaker 3: It feels like nothing can be hard to believe anymore

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Speaker 7: Now it's fair enough. I mean, this should be no

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Speaker 7: You know that should be no shouldn't even be prosecuted

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Speaker 3: So it should be like a community service thing, basically

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Speaker 7: Clay I would have said just one a couple of

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Speaker 3: So I think sounds like pretty student analysis to me. Andy,

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Speaker 3: I think what I've been saying, I've been saying, they

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, why else would you say that, right, there's

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Speaker 3: Them in the argument that they're also that that rule, Andy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, which is utterly crazy by the way of

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know, it's an amazing argument because they

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Speaker 4: Because everybody knows all about it already.

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Speaker 7: So there's nothing that you know, This isn't something that's

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fabulous question that is being asked.

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Speaker 2: But is she done? What should happen to her? Based

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Speaker 7: Well, there's the law in there's like practical reality. The

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Speaker 7: Then there's practical reality. If I was Trump and I

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Speaker 3: In in that case, it's amazing, it's it's astonishing. Andy,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's also buck I think we talked about

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Speaker 3: It's super secret. How could a jury convict a guy

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly right. And I would point out that

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Speaker 7: a fast and nasty on Trump's obstruction of the grand jury,

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Speaker 7: where it wouldn't matter what the classified documents said, because

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Speaker 7: the only crime would be did he lie about whether

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Speaker 7: he turned over all of the documents that had classified

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Speaker 7: markings on them. It wouldn't even matter what the substance

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Speaker 7: of the documents were. You could have done that case

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Speaker 7: in two weeks and it's the strongest case against him.

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Speaker 7: And instead, what they decided to do was throw everything

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Speaker 7: they could possibly think of at him. And as a result,

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Speaker 7: with three dozen classified information counts and seep A litigation,

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Speaker 7: you're not going to get the case the trial.

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Speaker 2: Andy, what are we not talking about that we should

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Speaker 2: be Maybe that's on the horizon that you're like, boy,

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Speaker 2: this could be a big issue in these legal proceedings

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Speaker 2: as they go forward. Is there anything out there that

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Speaker 2: you think people are missing or that we aren't talking

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Speaker 2: about that could be significant?

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Speaker 7: I think it's that we talk about the cases one

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Speaker 7: at a time, and to me, the due process violation

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Speaker 7: is the strategy to throw four trials at him under

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Speaker 7: circumstances where these cases are so complex that in an

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Speaker 7: ordinary defendant's case, you would get over a year to

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Speaker 7: get prepared for trial. And they're not only you know,

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Speaker 7: lining them up for four cases, they're making it impossible

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Speaker 7: for him to prepare adequately for any one because of

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Speaker 7: the quantity that they've thrown at him. I think our

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Speaker 7: tendency is as we've gone through, because this is the

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Speaker 7: only way you can go through it, sensibly to go

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Speaker 7: through each case. But I think sometimes we don't realize

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Speaker 7: the cumulative effect of this is unbelievable, and it will

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Speaker 7: become unbelievable to people when they realize that in criminal trials,

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Speaker 7: a defendant has to be present in court every day,

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Speaker 7: every moment of the case. So you're talking about taking

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Speaker 7: the Republican nominee off the campaign trail and locking him

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Speaker 7: in a courtroom basically for somewhere between three and nine months,

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Speaker 7: depending on how efficient they can push these cases through.

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable stuff. Andy's piece his latest is up at National

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Speaker 3: Review dot com and look for them to popping up

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Speaker 3: on Fox. But also, of course here on the Clay

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Speaker 3: in Buck Show, Andy, we appreciate you. Good luck to

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Speaker 3: your downtrodden mets.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, guys, you're listening to twenty four the most important

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Speaker 1: tier in politics with Clay Travis at Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 3: Control of the Senate going to be absolutely critical and

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Speaker 3: a very close fought contest in this upcoming election. And

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Speaker 3: one of the most important races in that Senate battle

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Speaker 3: is going to be Pennsylvania. We have US Senate candidate

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Speaker 3: Dave McCormick with us now. He's a veteran business owner

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Speaker 3: and we want to talk to him about how he's

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Speaker 3: going to win. What's up, Dave. Good to have you back.

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how are you.

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Speaker 3: We're doing well. We're always having fun on the show,

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Speaker 3: trying to fix America, trying to save the world. Things

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Speaker 3: are busy over here. I know you want to join

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Speaker 3: in on that effort in the Senate, or at least

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Speaker 3: do your part in the Senate to try to set

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Speaker 3: things right in this country. I've got a lot of

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Speaker 3: questions for you. I wanted to know how are things

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Speaker 3: stacking up right now against Casey or competitor, he's the incumbent.

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Speaker 3: Are you able to start to chip away at and

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Speaker 3: you've just released her at first ad. It's up at

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Speaker 3: clayanbuck dot comfident for anyone who wants to see it.

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Speaker 3: But some of the advantages of just the Pennsylvania Democrat

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Speaker 3: Party versus whatever the Republicans have set up there. What

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Speaker 3: kind of infrastructure are you building?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's I feel great about the election for

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Speaker 4: a couple of reasons. Number One, you know, Pennsylvania is

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Speaker 4: becoming a red state. So in twenty sixteen when President

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Speaker 4: Trump won, we had one point six million more registered

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Speaker 4: Democrats than Republicans. Today it's four hundred thousand, so we've

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Speaker 4: got lots of people becoming Republicans. Second thing is we've

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Speaker 4: got a lot of work underway to make sure that

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Speaker 4: we start to compete on mail in ballots because we've

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Speaker 4: lost the last couple of races badly because of that.

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Speaker 4: And so there's a lot of coordination with our team

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Speaker 4: in the RNC and the Presiden's team to build out

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Speaker 4: a vote in ballot infrastructure to make sure that we compete.

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Speaker 4: And then finally, this is a change election.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 4: Eighty percent of Pennsylvanias think the country's head in the

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Speaker 4: wrong direction. And Bob Casey, whether it's the terrible inflation

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Speaker 4: challenge that we have for working families, or whether it's

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Speaker 4: the wide open border and the fan and all deaths

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Speaker 4: five thousand in Pennsylvania, whether it's the war on fossil fuels.

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Speaker 4: Bob Casey's been at the scene of the crime for

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Speaker 4: every one of those things. He's voted with Biden ninety

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Speaker 4: eight percent of the time. In Pennsylvanians think that he's

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Speaker 4: not been serving their interests well. And that's why I'm

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Speaker 4: optimistic that I'm going to be able to prevail.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Dave McCormick, who you all of you need

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Speaker 2: to go vote for in Pennsylvania, I'm assuming that most

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Speaker 2: of what you're hearing as you travel around is inflation

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Speaker 2: and the economy is still near the peak of what

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Speaker 2: people care about. What else, and certainly the border and

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Speaker 2: the border. What have you found that Pennsylvanians cared the

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Speaker 2: most about. What is twenty twenty four in the state

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Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania likely to be a referendum on.

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Speaker 4: You know, I asked that question every room I'm in,

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Speaker 4: and it's three issues, sometimes a fourth. The first issues

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Speaker 4: you said, inflation for sixty percent of Pennsylvania's working families.

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Speaker 4: Prices are up by eighteen percent, Real wages are up

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Speaker 4: by a lot less. They're getting squeezed on food, fuel, rent,

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Speaker 4: pickup truck payments are now sixty percent higher. So this

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Speaker 4: is a big deal for working families, and Joe Biden's

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Speaker 4: made it a lot worse with his war on energy,

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Speaker 4: which has pushed up fuel prices and inflation. Second thing

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Speaker 4: is border. And the reason the border is so important

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Speaker 4: is because people see fundamental unfairness and national security risk.

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Speaker 4: But fentanyl. Five thousand people have died in Pennsylvania in

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Speaker 4: the last year due to fentanyl. This is enormous. This

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Speaker 4: is one hundred thousand people. This is the war that's

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Speaker 4: actually killing Americans right now, and that's because of the

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Speaker 4: wide open border policies of Joe Biden. Third is crime.

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Speaker 4: Crime is spiraling out of control, violent crime in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh, we've got a huge upticking crime. And the

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Speaker 4: main problem, and this is where Bob Casey's culpable, is

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Speaker 4: that we can't fill our police forces. And you know,

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Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh where I live, had a thousand cops in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty in the Pittsburgh Police force we have six

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Speaker 4: fifty now and this is putting a huge burden on

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Speaker 4: our communities. And the reason for it is because of

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Speaker 4: this huge defund the police movement. Bob Casey was endorsed

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Speaker 4: last week by Indivisible Philadelphia, which is a radical group

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Speaker 4: that's called for defunding the police. Is the fact that

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Speaker 4: they don't have adequate immunity, the fact that we have

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Speaker 4: these left wing prosecutors like Larry Krasner putting violent criminals

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Speaker 4: back on the streets. All of these things are adding

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Speaker 4: up to disorder and lawlessness in our cities and our suburbs,

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Speaker 4: which is really shaking Pennsylvania. So I say that's the third.

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Speaker 3: Issue, and Dave, the Biden administration, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 3: it's got a problem on its hand. It's got a

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Speaker 3: lot of problems on its hands. One of them, though,

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Speaker 3: is trying to have it both ways with Israel on

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Speaker 3: the one hand, starting out as supportive and now really

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Speaker 3: trying to score points with the pro Hamas wing of

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Speaker 3: the Democrat Party, which I think people have seen in

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Speaker 3: all of its nastiness in the month since October seventh.

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania has a pretty substantial Jewish population, a few hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand votes is what I understand it to be, and

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Speaker 3: that could very well be the difference in Pennsylvania. How

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Speaker 3: are you seeing the Israel Hamas issue play out with

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Speaker 3: regard to the Jewish and Muslim populations in Pennsylvania the

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Speaker 3: Democrat Party and how is that trending?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, listen first, I mean, it was a horrific

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Speaker 4: what happened on October seventh. My wife and I, I

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Speaker 4: think you and I spoke about this. We went to

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Speaker 4: Israel early in the new year. We went to Kafaraza

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Speaker 4: where this community of eight hundred which had one hundred

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Speaker 4: people butchered. We met with hostage families. We met a

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Speaker 4: young woman who was wounded at the music festival, was

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Speaker 4: shot in a bomb shelter. All her friends around her

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Speaker 4: were killed and they fell on top of her. That's

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Speaker 4: the only reason she survived. You can't believe the barbarism

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Speaker 4: of Hamas, and that evil is directed not just at Israel,

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Speaker 4: It's directed at the West. And it's not just Amas.

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Speaker 4: It's has Blaan, ISLAMI Jihad, the Houtis, and it's the underwriter,

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Speaker 4: the original sin is Iran giving them back to one

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Speaker 4: hundred million dollars of sanctioned money with stirt using the

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Speaker 4: fun terrorism and the deciding vote on that was a

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Speaker 4: guy named Bob Casey in twenty fifteen. He's been a

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Speaker 4: supporter of appeasement of Iran ever since then. And so

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Speaker 4: this is an issue that's very much front of mine

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Speaker 4: and it's a question of moral clarity, and Bob Casey

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Speaker 4: shown none of it. And ironically, John Fetterman has where

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Speaker 4: John Fetterman calls out the radical progressive left and says

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Speaker 4: we need to stand with Israel. Bob Casey's is quiet.

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Speaker 4: When John Fetterman says that we have to stand with

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Speaker 4: Israel in the destruction of Amas and we should stand

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Speaker 4: against the UN when it makes a crazy vote like

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Speaker 4: it did yesterday, Bob Casey keeps his head down. And

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Speaker 4: this is a big issue for voters because the Jewish

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Speaker 4: voters don't think of themselves solely as Democrats or Republicans.

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Speaker 4: They think of themselves first and Foremost Americans, but also

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Speaker 4: great supporters of Israel I have been a strong voice

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Speaker 4: on this. Bob Casey's been weak, has not shown moral clarity,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's going to be an issue. I

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Speaker 4: definitely feel that when I'm talking to people that this

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Speaker 4: is an existential moment and they're questioning their allegiance to

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Speaker 4: the Democratic Party and certainly to Bob Casey.

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Speaker 2: We're talking today, McCormick, Pennsylvania Senate candidate. You worked in

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Speaker 2: business for much of your life, and I would say

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Speaker 2: that's a calling card that registers and resonates with many people.

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Speaker 2: When you see what is being done to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: the prosecution, particularly for fraud by the State of New York,

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Speaker 2: trying to take four hundred and fifty four million dollars

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Speaker 2: from him, We've heard a lot of business people say

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Speaker 2: that would make me question whether I wanted to have

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Speaker 2: a lot of my assets in New York. From a

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Speaker 2: business perspective, What do you think about Leticia James and

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Speaker 2: what she's doing to Donald Trump in that case?

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Speaker 4: Well, the thing that's made America that the you know,

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Speaker 4: the the gem of the world in terms of being

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Speaker 4: able to conduct business is clarity of regulations and the

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Speaker 4: opportunity for free enterprise. But the belief that we have

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Speaker 4: a judicial system that will treat everybody fairly. And what's

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Speaker 4: happened here is a clear a violation of that trust,

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Speaker 4: a clear abomination of the judicial system where the judicial

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Speaker 4: systems being used to attack Donald Trump and to put

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Speaker 4: demands on him that no person. I mean the idea

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Speaker 4: that they're saying he should be able to generate five

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Speaker 4: hundred million dollars of cash, no matter how wealthy you are.

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Speaker 4: No one has that kind of those kinds of assets

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Speaker 4: liquid and it's an enormous burden, and it's it's made

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Speaker 4: clear that this is a completely political exercise, and I

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Speaker 4: frankly think it's undermined not just the New York's judicial system,

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Speaker 4: but the country at large because this is happening in

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Speaker 4: another number of other cases where we're seeing a two

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Speaker 4: tier justice system. I also think, ironically, it's having President

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Speaker 4: Trump a lot of support because people who are on

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Speaker 4: the fence are saying, man, that guy's getting the short

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Speaker 4: end of the stick. You know, they're coming at him

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Speaker 4: in a way that's fundamentally unfair, and therefore I want

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Speaker 4: to support him, and so I think this is backfiring.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's an horrific example, and I think

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Speaker 4: it gives us all pause that we live in a

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Speaker 4: country where the judicial system is going to treat us fairly,

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Speaker 4: particularly if we're showing political allegiances that are different than

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Speaker 4: those in power in those states.

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Speaker 3: So between now and the election, Dave, I assume you're

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Speaker 3: going to be just spending a ton of time out

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Speaker 3: there on the road, knocking doors, meeting people, shaking hands

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Speaker 3: everything else. I mean, what would you tell? I mean,

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Speaker 3: you're going to be telling them. But obviously you're speaking

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Speaker 3: to a lot of Pennsylvanians right now who are listening.

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Speaker 3: Your top priorities if you win this Senate see which

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Speaker 3: is you know, we think you can do it. It's

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Speaker 3: not going to be easier, right, you got a three

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Speaker 3: term incumbent. I think he's right. He's been in eighteen

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Speaker 3: years at this point in Casey, Yeah, but you can

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That was just to say one of the things that

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Speaker 3: you want to get right on and try to get

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Speaker 3: your Senate colleagues to unify around on the Republican side

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Speaker 3: and hopefully have a President Trump to sign as acts

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Speaker 3: of the Senate.

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Speaker 4: Well, we have to secure the border. It is an

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Speaker 4: enormous threat of you know, sort of unprecedented proportion. And

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Speaker 4: I think, as I've said publicly before, we need to

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Speaker 4: treat the fentanyl crisis like the war that it is.

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Speaker 4: And I would be very very focused on that, including

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Speaker 4: the idea of interdicting the fentanyl ingredients coming from China,

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Speaker 4: but also using our military forces to go in and

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Speaker 4: destroy the cartels in Mexico. That's a big step. But

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Speaker 4: this is a big war and a big threat to America,

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Speaker 4: and I think we need to do that and do

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Speaker 4: it in a very thoughtful way, potentially in cooperation with

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Speaker 4: the Mexican government, but to the extent that the government's

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Speaker 4: even compromised by the cartels, we need to solve that

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Speaker 4: problem for Americans. So that's one two. Listen, energy is

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Speaker 4: is critical to America's national security, it's critical to our economy,

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Speaker 4: and it's critical Good energy policy is critical to the environment.

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Speaker 4: And what's happened under Joe Biden's been an abomination. It's

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Speaker 4: hurt our security, it's hurt our economy, and it's hurt

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Speaker 4: our environment. And Pennsylvania is unique here. We're the fourth

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Speaker 4: largest natural gas reserves in the world. This is a

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Speaker 4: huge opportunity. If we can get the pipeline permits we need,

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Speaker 4: we can have an offshore export facility. If we can

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Speaker 4: reduce the regulatory and the legal burden, Pennsylvania can just

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Speaker 4: unlock enormous potential for Pennsylvania, but also for America. So

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Speaker 4: permit reform, reducing the regulatory burden that the Biden administration

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Speaker 4: has put on our natural gas companies and our oil

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Speaker 4: companies and so forth would be a huge part. And

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Speaker 4: here's the irony. The Biden administration, with this huge focus

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Speaker 4: on solar panels and evs, has made us more dependent

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Speaker 4: on our main adversary, China. Lithium batteries and sol panels

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Speaker 4: come from China, our biggest adversary. So the national security

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Speaker 4: threat from China's growing because we're making ourselves more dependent.

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Speaker 4: As a guy with expertise in national security who's served

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Speaker 4: in Tombat, served in the military, and a businessman, I

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Speaker 4: will focus on energy policy as a way to really

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Speaker 4: put America in a different place. But also Pennsylvania, Dave McCormick.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, who wins Pennsylvania may determine who wins the presidency.

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Speaker 2: Also may can determine control of the Senate. What do

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Speaker 2: you see on the ground so far? Everybody knows Trump,

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Speaker 2: everybody knows Biden. Yeah, what do you see on the

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Speaker 2: Trump Biden front? And how do you think that is

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Speaker 2: going in Pennsylvania?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, you know, Pennsylvania has sixty seven counties. As

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Speaker 4: I told you, the voter registration is very close. Sixty

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Speaker 4: seven counties, fifty five of them are red counties. So

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Speaker 4: these are Republican counties. They're rural county, small counties. In

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Speaker 4: those counties, President Trump is going to be a huge

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Speaker 4: advantage for our ticket in terms of getting out the vote.

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Speaker 4: He's been able to mobilize vote that don't vote, consistently,

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Speaker 4: register new voters, even flip Democrats to become Republican voters.

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Speaker 4: So that rural game and his ability to get out

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Speaker 4: the base is an enormous advantage. And then in those

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Speaker 4: other counties, there's lots of persuadable voters, lots of swing

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Speaker 4: voters who could go either way. And I think my

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Speaker 4: job and I think what I can bring to this

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Speaker 4: is I think President Trump's efforts are going to help

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Speaker 4: bring out the base. I think those persuadable voters, those independents,

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Speaker 4: those conservative Democrats, those suburban moms that are worried about

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Speaker 4: crime and fentanyl and inflation. I think getting those out

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Speaker 4: and persuading them to build the coalition we need to

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Speaker 4: win is going to be absolutely critical. And this is

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Speaker 4: where I think President Trump can help me, and I

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Speaker 4: hope that I can help him, and we're going to

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Speaker 4: win this election by a few points. This is not

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Speaker 4: intensibly it's not a place to win by five or

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Speaker 4: ten points. I don't think it's a place you're going

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Speaker 4: to win by a couple points. And building that coalition

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Speaker 4: of motivated people who are worried that our country is

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Speaker 4: flipping away is our challenge and our opportunity. And I

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Speaker 4: feel great about it because, as I said, eighty percent

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Speaker 4: of Pennsylvanians feel like the country is moving in the

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Speaker 4: wrong direction. President Biden is at unprecedented levels of unpopularity.

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Speaker 4: He's at thirty six in Pennsylvania. So what we need

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Speaker 4: to convince people is that we need change, and they're

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Speaker 4: already convinced, and we need new leadership. They're already convinced,

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Speaker 4: and in my case, I want to convince them that

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Speaker 4: I'm the senator who can make a real difference in

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Speaker 4: their lives, and I think I can.

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Speaker 2: He's Dave McCormick. How would you tell people to go

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Speaker 2: check out your website to support you if they want

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Speaker 2: to help make the flip in the Senate happen.

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Speaker 4: Dave MCCORMICKPA dot com lots of ways to get involved.

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Speaker 4: I am driving across our sixty seven counties in my

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Speaker 4: campaign bus. I'm living in this thing at our mobile

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Speaker 4: campaign headquarters and looking for opportunities to meet as many

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Speaker 4: Pennsylvanians as I can. So appreciate you giving me the

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Speaker 4: opportunity to talk.

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Speaker 2: To your listeners, no doubt, Dave McCormick, We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 8: If you're listening to twenty or the Year of Impact

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Speaker 8: with Clay and Box.

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Speaker 2: Join now by a man from one of the top

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Speaker 2: battlegrounds in the entire country, Georgia. He's a lieutenant governor there,

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Speaker 2: Burt Jones. And before we get into some serious discussion

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Speaker 2: here about twenty twenty four in the Fate of the Union,

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Speaker 2: are you really excited for the debut of the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four Atlanta Braves? Are you as excited as I am?

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Speaker 2: A lieutenant governor?

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Speaker 9: Hey, Clay, good to be with you today. And oh,

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Speaker 9: we're always excited about the Braves season coming around. And

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Speaker 9: I think I think they're going to have another great,

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Speaker 9: great team this year and they'll be making another run

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Speaker 9: for the World Series hopefully. But yeah, we always get

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Speaker 9: excited about our Braves and glad that glad that season

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Speaker 9: is starting, because this is kind of a long time after.

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Speaker 9: You know, we're so such college football fans down here,

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Speaker 9: we get down college football and everybody's kind of depressed

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Speaker 9: for a little while. So the Braves always always usually

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Speaker 9: get everybody back in a good, good mood spring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I always think that the Braves are the Southeastern Conference,

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Speaker 2: the SEC's football team, because there aren't that many Major

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Speaker 2: league baseball teams in the South, so everybody fights about Alabama, Auburn,

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Speaker 2: I know, you played football at Georgia, Tennessee, Uh, all

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Speaker 2: those different teams, old Mississippi State, and then they all

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Speaker 2: kind of come together and end up rooting for the

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Speaker 2: same team, the Atlanta Braves. So it is kind of

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Speaker 2: the SEC's team.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, you're you said it perfectly right there. But

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Speaker 9: the Braves are kind of that brings all the college

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Speaker 9: football fans together and and uh yeah, and it's one

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Speaker 9: of those things that if we pull, we pull from

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Speaker 9: uh Alabama and sackline and obviously Tennessee always seemed to

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Speaker 9: come and you see a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 9: a lot of people all all go to uh uh

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Speaker 9: they're the truest part there and enjoy, enjoy the braves

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Speaker 9: and and they're going to have another great season. Got

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Speaker 9: but then you know, they got great leadership, great ownership,

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Speaker 9: and uh, there's really a fun, fun organization.

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Speaker 2: To get behind. Based on what you see on the

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Speaker 2: ground right now in Georgia, the polls all seem to

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Speaker 2: suggest that Trump will win Georgia and that Georgia will

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Speaker 2: flip back red twenty twenty two, By and large, most

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Speaker 2: statewide office holders, yourself included one kind of across the board,

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Speaker 2: how optimistic do you think, not only Georgians, but everybody

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Speaker 2: listening all over the country should be about the situation

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Speaker 2: on the ground seven months out in Georgia? Do you

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Speaker 2: think it flips back red? And how much more secure

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Speaker 2: do you think the elections will be based on some

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Speaker 2: of the moves that y'all have made.

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Speaker 9: That's a great question. I'm pretty confident about Georgia being

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Speaker 9: read this presidential cycle just because of number one. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: you said it best. Every one of our constitutional officers

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Speaker 9: won statewide, from the governor to myself, owned down the

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Speaker 9: ballot and we won by some pretty condensing numbers. Governor

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Speaker 9: had eight points were Stacey Abrams. I won by six

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Speaker 9: points and everybody else kind of was in the six

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Speaker 9: to five range. So feel really good about our chances.

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Speaker 9: The name reason why I feel good about our chances

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Speaker 9: because of how how irrelevant or how terrible the Biden

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Speaker 9: administration has been on so many fronts, whether you're talking

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Speaker 9: about the border or the economy, or you know, on

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Speaker 9: the world stage, it's really been horrible. It's been embarrassing.

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Speaker 9: And uh and I think a lot of people are

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Speaker 9: nervous about, particularly this border situation where we've had over

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Speaker 9: ten million people come across the border totally unchecked and

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Speaker 9: they're spreading all across the country. And uh, and you're

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Speaker 9: a lot of bad effects from crime increases and overflowing

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Speaker 9: go our hospitals, schools, everything. It's just really it's really

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Speaker 9: not a good situation right now. And I think that's

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Speaker 9: probably gonna help be the catalyst that brings Georgia in

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Speaker 9: a lot of other straits across the finish line.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Lieutenant Governor of Georgia bur Jones that

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Speaker 2: we even talked on this program about the fact that

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Speaker 2: there's been some whispers that Democrats are saying, hey, in Georgia,

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Speaker 2: maybe don't spend money here, maybe go to North Carolina instead,

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Speaker 2: with the idea being that they're so concerned about where

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Speaker 2: the money's going to get allocated that they don't think

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Speaker 2: Georgia's really in play. Do you kind of hear those

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Speaker 2: whispers from Democrats. Do you think if they even had

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Speaker 2: to analyze this right now, they would say that Georgia

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Speaker 2: is Trumps to lose and that the flip back in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four may be well on its way.

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Speaker 9: Would I would say, I'm gonna go a step further,

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Speaker 9: I would say that they might be wasting their time

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Speaker 9: in Georgia and a state like Georgia and state like

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Speaker 9: North Carolina. I think if there's going to be a

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Speaker 9: path for the other side to win, I think their

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Speaker 9: resources would probably be better served to spending time in

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Speaker 9: places like Michigan and Wisconsin and places like that. Because

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Speaker 9: I just don't since I can't go anywhere, Clay and

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Speaker 9: find anybody who is a Biden supporter, and I'm talking

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Speaker 9: about your middle of the road Republicans, middle road Democrats,

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Speaker 9: and even your your left Democrats, you don't hear them

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Speaker 9: really getting excited about Joe Biden being re elected. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: he look, he came to Atlanta a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 9: and so did Trump. If Trump came to Rome, Georgia,

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Speaker 9: which is a little small town in North Georgia, and

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Speaker 9: Biden went to you know, downtown Atlanta. Trump had almost

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Speaker 9: six thousand people in an auditorium with people waiting outside,

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Speaker 9: and Biden had could barely get you know, twenty to

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Speaker 9: thirty people. And what it looked like mostly reporters that

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Speaker 9: were in there in a room, you know, so in

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Speaker 9: a classroom there in Atlanta. So I don't think there's

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Speaker 9: any enthusiasm for Biden. I don't think he's warranted any enthusiasm.

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Speaker 9: And yeah, if I was a betting person, I would

867
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Speaker 9: I would put my money on Trump, not just for Georgia,

868
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 9: but for a lot of other states in the country.

869
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: What do you think the big story nationwide, obviously not

870
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: only about what's going to happen in twenty twenty four

871
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: And we're talking to Lieutenant Governor of Georgia, Burt Jones,

872
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: what do you think as as you look at this

873
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: Fanny Willis debacle, Fawnie Willis, Fanny Willis, however you want

874
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: to say it. I think it's been a black eye

875
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: for the state of Georgia. What's been going on in

876
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: Fulton County? What can the legislature do? What should the

877
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: larger apparatus of Georgia Political Unity or Georgia political service?

878
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: What should happen in your mind based on what you

879
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: see and what do you think of the prosecution and

880
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: the cases surrounding her. Hiring her lover, she's admitted to it.

881
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: Now he's been fired. Nathan Wade, how would you assess

882
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: that from a Georgia state government perspective.

883
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's been embarrassment, no question about that. I mean

884
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 9: it's it's from the start, it's been a political charade

885
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 9: that that Da has been playing. She's just been trying

886
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 9: to self promote herself, Uh, then getting funding from I

887
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 9: don't know where, you know, outside of the state of Georgia.

888
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 9: You know, from her campaign when she first ran to

889
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 9: what's what to her political apparatus now, so I don't

890
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 9: know who the money people are behind her, but she

891
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 9: has obviously been using this for trying to grandstand and

892
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 9: promoter promote herself, and it has been very embarrassing for

893
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 9: the state of Georgia and for full for Fulton County, uh,

894
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 9: which is a place that's hard to embarrass quite frankly, uh,

895
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 9: just to be honest and uh and and uh and

896
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 9: she has really uh uh taken this and I think

897
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 9: you misuse the legal system, uh to try to just

898
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 9: just for a political you know, shenanigains really is what

899
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 9: it amounts. So she tried to come after me.

900
00:48:59,480 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 6: Uh.

901
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 9: She was disqualified from investigating me because of because of

902
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 9: her you know, holding open fundraisers for the guys run

903
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 9: against for lieutenant governor. And obviously she you know, was

904
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 9: having this relationship. I think she was misusing taxpayer money

905
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 9: uh in with her with her friend Nathan Wade that

906
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 9: she had to He resigned from the after you know,

907
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 9: it was founded that they were taking all these lavish

908
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 9: trips since his employment there in Fulton County. So yeah,

909
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 9: but to say, you know, we've started, we put together

910
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 9: a Senate committee that is looking into the misappropriation of

911
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 9: tax dollars because Bulton County does get state dollars and

912
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 9: and some dollars allocated to to uh to that Fulton

913
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 9: County government. And so we're we're investigating how those dollars

914
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 9: may have been misused. And so we're gonna we're gonna

915
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 9: have our own investigation of of the d a's office there.

916
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 9: And we also set up a what they call a

917
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 9: Prosecutor's oversight UH panel that what has the authority to

918
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 9: look at any DA. We've got a few DA who

919
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 9: are das here in this state who are bad operators,

920
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 9: but this panel is set up to to bring penalties

921
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 9: against das who are not enforcing the laws or not

922
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 9: doing their jobs as as their oath office asked them

923
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 9: to do. And so so we are going to be

924
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 9: very aggressive and going after uh bad actors in general

925
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 9: that hold those DA positions. But we're also going to

926
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 9: be UH looking into this particularly d A in Fulton

927
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 9: County and and her potential misuse of state dollars UH

928
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 9: with the with this look like I said circus that

929
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 9: she's been doing for the last three years in this

930
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 9: in this Trump case.

931
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Governor of Burt Jones, with us talking about Fanny

932
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: Willis case. The other question that I get asked a lot,

933
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: I think that Georgia Legislature just just finished its session.

934
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, you can correct me on this. Yeah, yeah,

935
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: last night, okay, at midnight, I think what happened with

936
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: sports gambling? Because I'm in Tennessee. I'm gonna be honest

937
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: with you. Y'all in Georgia were the one of the

938
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: first people to get the state lottery, and you send

939
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: everybody off to Uga given the scholarships. My family, I

940
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: got a lot of them in Chattanooga. They would drive

941
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: across state lines to go get lottery tickets, go buy

942
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: their gas in the morning or whatever. Now I hear

943
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: from a lot of Georgians that they drive into Tennessee

944
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: to place their bets on SEC football to get all

945
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: that stuff taken care of. What are y'all doing down there?

946
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: What's the latest?

947
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 5: You know?

948
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 9: Unfortunately, we passed it, and this is something we've done

949
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 9: in the Senate of the last couple of years because

950
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 9: we think that it's an opportunity that we're missing out

951
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 9: on as far as from revenue dollars or concerned. We

952
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 9: estimated about one hundred million dollars and that's a conservative

953
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 9: that's a bit annually that we could collect from just

954
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 9: having sports betting included under our Georgia lottery system already.

955
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 9: And we last year we passed it out of the

956
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 9: Senate and then the House said it they thought it

957
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 9: needed to be a constitutional Amendment, which means put it

958
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 9: on the balance. So this year we said, okay, we'll

959
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 9: do that. So we'll we passed the constitutional Amendment. In

960
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 9: order to do that, you have to have two thirds

961
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 9: in the both chambers in order to do that. We

962
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 9: were able to get that in the Senate. We passed

963
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 9: it over to the House probably a month and a

964
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 9: half a month and a half ago, and they never

965
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 9: could muster up either the will to do it or

966
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 9: the votes to get it done. So it died as

967
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 9: of last night. And like I said before, I think

968
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 9: it's just a I think it's like picking up dollars

969
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 9: in the street personally. I mean, I think it's something

970
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 9: that is going on everywhere. As you said, you've got

971
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 9: friends that do it. I've got friends that do it.

972
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 9: And the only thing that you're not doing as the

973
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 9: state is we're not regulating it, and we're not we're

974
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 9: not collecting these state dollars from it. So one hundred

975
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 9: million dollars. I don't know about you, but that can

976
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 9: send a lot of up here in Georgia. That can

977
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 9: That can send a lot of kids. UH helped pay

978
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 9: for a lot of kids' education, and that's what Dar

979
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 9: George Lighter system has been very successful at doing and uh,

980
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 9: and we got to keep in order to for it

981
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 9: to continue to be successful. You got to always uh uh,

982
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 9: it's got to always be producing revenue dollars for it.

983
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: Last question for you, and we're talking to Lieutenant Governor

984
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: Burt Jones of the Great State of Georgia. You played

985
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: for the Georgia Bulldogs college football. You guys, obviously I

986
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: think he got screwed out of getting in the playoff

987
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: this past year. How many games Georgia gonna win this

988
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: coming year? You guys gonna make the twelve team or playoff?

989
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: What do you think?

990
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 9: Oh, I think there's no question. My Kirby was as

991
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 9: a dear friend of mine. He now played together and

992
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 9: he's doing a heck of a job as as a

993
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 9: head football coach over there. He's building a program that

994
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 9: is very saving f you know that, like as Saban

995
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 9: did at Alabama. Of course, he worked for coach Saban

996
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 9: for over a decade and so they're a lot alike

997
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 9: and how they're philosophy and how to go about things.

998
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 9: So I think Georgia was going to be in the mix,

999
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 9: uh every year as long as Kurby. S Mart's the

1000
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 9: head coach. I think they'll they'll be in the conversation

1001
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 9: because he's got a he's got a factory going over there.

1002
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 9: He's he's reloading you know, all American uh standouts on

1003
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 9: left and right. So he's, uh, he's kind of my factory.

1004
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 9: That will be I think eating every year for a

1005
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 9: national title, definitely SEC championship, and so it is very

1006
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 9: exciting to be a Georgia football fan right now.

1007
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 2: I see that Tull Kirby. I said, Hi, he's an

1008
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: awesome guy. He and I played in a charity golf

1009
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: tournament for regions a few years ago and we were

1010
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: in the same golf cart for five years and five

1011
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: years five hours. That was a long, long round. But

1012
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: he was recruiting pretty hard even during that. So he's

1013
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: a good dude. Tell him, I said, Hi, keep up

1014
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: the good work.

1015
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 9: He's a good golfer and a heck of a competitor too.

1016
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 9: He t talk a little smack too, so I bet

1017
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 9: you if you were in there for five hours with

1018
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 9: then you've probably heard wi smack.

1019
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: I did.

1020
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 7: Well.

1021
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: We were on the same team. It was a poor team.

1022
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, but we had a good time.

1023
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Governor bur Jones. We appreciate you, my man.

1024
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 9: Thank you all right, thank you, appreciate you.