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Speaker 1: Radio is a podcast dedicated to archiving our present and

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Speaker 2: Last time on Look At Thought Our Radio, we spoke

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Speaker 4: I always talk about learning to ebb and flow through

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Speaker 4: life because change is inevitable, like change is going to

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Speaker 1: And so today we're bringing you another episode where we

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Speaker 1: talk about spirituality, mysticism, astrology. Tero and I kind of

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Speaker 1: love that we went from not really covering this at

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Speaker 1: all in Look at Thought our radio to now having

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Speaker 1: two episodes kind of back to back. Now we've been

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Speaker 1: covering spirituality and talking to healers for many, many years,

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Speaker 1: but when thinking back, we actually haven't covered these episodes

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Speaker 1: or these topics specifically in an episode. So I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited to have on Jasmine Alejandris Prasad aka Esoteric Essa,

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Speaker 1: because we have known her for years. At this point,

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when we did in ig live with

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Speaker 2: It seems like a lifetime ago now, but she's been

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Speaker 2: around for what seems like a lifetime. I mean, posting, predicting,

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Speaker 2: We've seen her at events like we all Grow, and

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Speaker 1: And I've had the privilege of working with her for

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Speaker 1: and did Olympia at my house and it was so beautiful,

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Speaker 1: so powerful. She told us things that we were not

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Speaker 2: Jasmine Alejandris Brassad aka Esoteric Essa is an astrologer, psychic

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Speaker 2: intuitive and numerologist. Creator of the Modern Spiritual Latina Oracle,

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Speaker 1: Okay, look, emotives, We're so excited to have the one

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Speaker 1: and only Esoteric Essa, Jasmine Alejandris Persad joining us on

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Speaker 1: please introduce yourself to our listeners.

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Speaker 5: Hello, y'all. I am so excited. It's been a long

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Speaker 5: time coming because I have adored this podcast like all

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Speaker 5: of you listening, and I'm Essa, i am Latina, i

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Speaker 5: am first and second generation, I'm Mexican, approveing American, and

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Speaker 5: more importantly, I'm just a human trying to figure out

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Speaker 2: We've been following your platform and you, Esoteric Essa, for

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Speaker 2: many many years now. We've been in community with you,

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Speaker 2: We've been at events with you, We've read your posts

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Speaker 5: Thank you for your sweet words. That means a lot goodness.

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Speaker 5: It started really young for me. I saw my first ghost,

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Speaker 5: she exposed me very early on to these esoteric teachings,

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Speaker 5: like she read my Palm when I was nine. I

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I love that you bring up the ancestral importance,

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Speaker 5: And I've always had intuitive channeling from particularly my maternal side,

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Speaker 5: great storyteller. Like the two of you here, you know,

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Speaker 5: The last couple of years before she passed. I studied

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Speaker 2: I really love how you bring up the maternal influence

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Speaker 2: I'm really curious about how your grandmother was treated because

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Speaker 5: So they went for her with all these secret questions.

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Speaker 5: And so I have this. I am very much awareness

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Speaker 2: Was your mother also a mystic? Did she also do readings?

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Speaker 2: Or did it like skip from your grandmother to you?

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Speaker 5: I love that question. So my mom's a libra And

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Speaker 5: if you know libra's, they're very very they're just you know,

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Speaker 5: definitely saw my grandma opened up portals and had access

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Speaker 2: Very cool. I really appreciate how you describe Catholicism as

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Speaker 5: You scratch my back, I scratch your back. So there's

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Speaker 5: the altars, like people like altars are so scary there

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Speaker 5: What does she do when she's praying? Spell casting? Prayer

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Speaker 5: So like everything in the Bible you're reading is just witchcraft.

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Speaker 1: I'm screaming the Catholics are not gonna like this one,

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Speaker 1: but I love it. I love it, and I love

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Speaker 1: it because there was a moment where I was having

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Speaker 1: altars that I had in my own home, and there

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Speaker 1: and I was like, how is this any different from

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Speaker 1: make those connections, I think really validates how I was

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Speaker 1: they're like maybe subconscious or indoctrinated, like fear of Brukhetia

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Speaker 5: That yes, yes, yes, yes, Oh I love that. That's

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Speaker 5: such a deeply nuanced discussion. So when it comes to

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Speaker 5: they didn't grow up Catholic. So anything that goes outside

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Speaker 5: to this higher power. And spirituality and witchcraft, any sort

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Speaker 5: outside of God's doing is considered by hardcore Catholics as witchcraft.

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Speaker 5: And going back to indigenous teachings, how do we go

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Speaker 5: And so that's where we've lost touch with our roots,

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Speaker 5: fifty percent indigenous Mayan, indigenous Burdabecha. No, I'm talking about

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Speaker 5: like the shit the customs and the cultural rituals to

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Speaker 5: a specific way of making molaya, a specific way of

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Speaker 5: to the four elements of Earth, air, water, fire, Batcha Mama.

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Speaker 5: We're so disconnected from Butcha Mama nowadays because they're so

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Speaker 5: But we've deeply, deeply blocked our root chakras from our

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Speaker 5: healing comes from our grandmother, Butcha Mama. And so truly,

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Speaker 5: witchcraft and Bruhidia is less about less about demons and

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Speaker 5: what Brugheria and witchcraft can be beyond what the bigger

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Speaker 5: So anything that goes against what God's belief is according

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Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing in the that ancestral knowledge and

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Speaker 2: our ancestors came from. I'm really curious about summoning and

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Speaker 5: Yes, and you will absolutely absolutely connect with the colonizer ancestors.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's important.

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Speaker 6: I think we don't.

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Speaker 5: It's really important to not reject like if you got

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Speaker 5: that quote unquote polarity of negativity, because equally the bad

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Speaker 5: It's like, how do we venerate that we acknowledge it

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Speaker 5: So how do you know when you're connecting with certain ancestors.

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Speaker 6: I like to tell people get really speci so especially

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Speaker 5: The ancestral lineage. Just sit with like, Okay, I want

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Speaker 5: So that way you're not getting Joe Schmoe, who was

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Speaker 5: But yeah, there's so many different tips I can continue giving,

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Speaker 5: let me ask my great grandma, you know, for her

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Speaker 5: you know, ask specific questions, because the spirits are going

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Speaker 1: I love that so much. Thank you for bringing that example,

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Speaker 1: because that was one of the things that I think

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Speaker 1: at this point, I've been working with you in some

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Speaker 1: capacity like spiritually for many many years now, actually, and

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Speaker 1: that was one of the things that I noticed that

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Speaker 1: you when we did terror readings together that you would

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Speaker 1: you would say that was like your your incantation right

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Speaker 1: of like ancestors of the most benevolent with like the

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Speaker 1: best intentions, like we're calling them forward. And that was

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Speaker 1: when I first thought, Okay, like there is this disconnect

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Speaker 1: happening online where I think there's this hunger and this

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Speaker 1: desire for people in the latinx Latino community to like

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Speaker 1: connect with an ancestor, to connect with ancestors, but not

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Speaker 1: necessarily knowing how to and just talking about like the

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Speaker 1: general ancestors, right. And so that was like one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons I think we really wanted to bring that

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Speaker 1: peace here to this conversation because we know that there's

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Speaker 1: like that desire from the community to connect spiritually with

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Speaker 1: maybe past loved ones or ancestors.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, I want to add to that real quick,

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Speaker 5: real quick. And yes, I'm so grateful that you know,

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Speaker 5: you and I have.

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Speaker 7: Been able to work in such an intimate context and

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Speaker 7: thank you for sharing that. I really appreciate just you know,

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Speaker 7: the opportunity for me to hold space for you the

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Speaker 7: yosa such a loving way. Another thing to just take

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Speaker 7: into consideration when you're ready to start working ancestrally or

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Speaker 7: strengthening the process of your ancestral work is yes, be

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Speaker 7: mindful if we want to call in ancestors who have

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Speaker 7: the highest.

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Speaker 5: Good of mind of all. Remember, your ancestors are not saints.

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Speaker 5: They die in the same consciousness that they existed in.

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Speaker 5: So yes, they pass on and they're happy, but that

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Speaker 5: doesn't mean you know, if they if they died a

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Speaker 5: racist or a bigot or homophobic, they're going to come

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Speaker 5: in spiritually as whatever that was right, whatever consciousness they had.

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Speaker 5: So also reminding yourself that even living elders and not

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Speaker 5: just your dead ancestors, we want to call in the

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Speaker 5: right energies because even living elders and the ancestors who

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Speaker 5: are low vibrational, they want us to repeat cycles. You

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Speaker 5: might say like I want to connect with my ancestors

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Speaker 5: on my dad's side, and oh, I'm so connected to them.

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Speaker 5: I love my ancestors. But yeah, you probably have like

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Speaker 5: ancestors on that side of the family who love the

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Speaker 5: whole grudges, so they're subconsciously influencing you to keep repeating

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Speaker 5: these ancestral toxic generational curses of being. You know, someone

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Speaker 5: who holds a grudge and who doesn't know how to

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Speaker 5: open up the heart chakra and practice you know, inserting

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Speaker 5: empathy and forgiveness and unconditional love and to your lineage,

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Speaker 5: so even with their living elders. You know, this is

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Speaker 5: not to judge people and criticize them, because that's what

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Speaker 5: Catholics and Christians do. Spiritualists don't do that. We just

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Speaker 5: observe we're an awareness and we acknowledge because we are

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Speaker 5: only in control of ourselves and no one else. So

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Speaker 5: this is where you also just want to be really

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Speaker 5: careful with, like who of the living of your elders

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Speaker 5: are you also allowing yourself to influence because you are

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Speaker 5: equally perpetuating those behaviors and those cycles as well.

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Speaker 2: This is all really great information and as people in

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Speaker 2: our community Latinos are seeking to do this type of reconnecting,

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Speaker 2: they might just go to a mystic, a spiritualist, a guide,

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Speaker 2: a bruja, somebody like you, or somebody that they find

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Speaker 2: these days on the internet right like on Instagram or

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Speaker 2: maybe through word of mouth. And so I want to

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Speaker 2: ask about like separating the real from the fake. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of scamming out there in this sort of realm,

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Speaker 2: especially on Instagram. We have seen we have a number

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Speaker 2: of like people that we follow who are tarot readers,

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Speaker 2: who are mystics, and they have had their accounts like

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Speaker 2: replicated by scammers, like fake pages, scammers who are like

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Speaker 2: hopping in the dms offering.

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Speaker 3: To do readings.

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Speaker 2: And I want to ask about how you find somebody

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Speaker 2: who's legitimate and who's going to really guide you in

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Speaker 2: an appropriate way.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm all about connecting online, you know, holding space

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Speaker 5: of comedy online. There are a lot of beautiful legitimate

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Speaker 5: practitioners online, whether that's terror reader's, psychics, mediums. One thing

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Speaker 5: to keep in mind when you do find someone right

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Speaker 5: who's credible or that you feel comfortable with who is trustworthy,

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Speaker 5: is also just really quickly, I want to preface acknowledgy

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Speaker 5: in that people like myself, we are human at the

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Speaker 5: end of the day, right, And so if you're working

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Speaker 5: with a practitioner who doesn't ignowl and take accountability for

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Speaker 5: how they're showing up in their own human form, like,

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Speaker 5: we don't know everything, right, and so we cannot pretend

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Speaker 5: to know everything or to have all the answers. So

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Speaker 5: if you're working with practitioners who are projecting this very

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Speaker 5: godlike energy, who are putting themselves on a pedestal. Who

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Speaker 5: don't take accountability or who are claiming to know everything,

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Speaker 5: like that's a red flag, even if they're trustworthy, even

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Speaker 5: if they have a reputation online, you know, just pull

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Speaker 5: your energy back and regroup. Yes, allow people the opportunity

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Speaker 5: to be human and to go through their own ascension process,

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Speaker 5: but just be mindful that that can also be perpetuated

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Speaker 5: in this space looking at who follows them and who

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Speaker 5: they follow, because who we follow as practitioners, it's basically

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Speaker 5: giving a stamp of approval. I have followed people that

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Speaker 5: I knew in this space for a couple of years

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Speaker 5: and then I found out like they've been operating in

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Speaker 5: a place of lacking integrity that I don't like, so

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Speaker 5: I unfollow them. I have no fucking problem doing that,

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Speaker 5: because who I follow who other practitioners. We're basically telling

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Speaker 5: community but also really naive people. Because people seek us

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Speaker 5: out in a place of desperation, naivety, and times of

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Speaker 5: life where they are lost. They are so wulnable to

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Speaker 5: be taken advantage of and they're looking for a glimmer

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Speaker 5: of hope, and so it's really important that we take

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Speaker 5: that seriously as practitioners, like we have the fragility of

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Speaker 5: people's lives in our hands. You could be the very

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Speaker 5: last conversation that someone has, you know, trigger warning, because

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Speaker 5: you just never know what people might be going through, right,

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Speaker 5: you could be the last person who can change someone's

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Speaker 5: mind from taking their own life. So making sure you're

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Speaker 5: vetting who is following that practitioner online, who are they

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Speaker 5: following and going through their post and it's a really

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Speaker 5: sketchy red flag if you're noticing there's five posts, you know,

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Speaker 5: back to back on July twenty fifth, and they hardly

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Speaker 5: have any engagements or any comments like that is definitely

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Speaker 5: going to be a fake account that someone is scamming.

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Speaker 5: They want to someone else's photos and they just posted

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Speaker 5: really quick a bunch of posts up with the new

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Speaker 5: content content that they screenshot to try and imitate and

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Speaker 5: take advantage of people. So another thing is practitioners are

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Speaker 5: not going to DM you like, hey, do you want

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Speaker 5: a reading? Like that's that's a big reflag if someone's

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Speaker 5: in your DM's claiming I have a message for you

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Speaker 5: from the ancestors, or someone put a hex on you,

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Speaker 5: like even if you go to in person like palmistry

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Speaker 5: and psychics, Like sometimes they're going to tell you like, oh,

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Speaker 5: you have a purse on you, so for another you know,

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00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 5: fifty bucks, let me do this candle work to unbind you,

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Speaker 5: like get a second opinion, Go to another psychic, go

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Speaker 5: to another reader, and don't influence them with saying like, hey,

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Speaker 5: this reader told me this. Just go in so they're

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Speaker 5: unbiased and see if that energy comes up. So especially online,

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Speaker 5: looking at the content, how recent did they post? Is

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Speaker 5: their engagement interaction? And that right there will tell you

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Speaker 5: like this person doesn't have a community that's built already,

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Speaker 5: so maybe I should hold back from with them.

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Speaker 1: Stick around for more of this interview. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: We're back with more. We hope you didn't go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for providing some of that context and like

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Speaker 1: really tangible ways that like people can keep themselves safe

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Speaker 1: from being scammed. There's like levels to it. The MOLA

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Speaker 1: and I were also discussing it's like these fake profiles,

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Speaker 1: but then there are people that maybe pretend to have

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Speaker 1: like a quote gift, and so how do you discern

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Speaker 1: that as well, like feeling like this is the right

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Speaker 1: person or like this is legit. I know, like in

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Speaker 1: my experience with you, like when you came into my home,

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Speaker 1: Like I've always always had respect for what you do,

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Speaker 1: and I've always like trusted you. But when you came

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Speaker 1: into my home, Esa, and you were telling me things

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Speaker 1: that like nobody freaking knows, like nobody knows about I knew,

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Speaker 1: like this is the real deal. Like Esa is like

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Speaker 1: like legit. She has like an actual gift that she's

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Speaker 1: worked with for years and years and years, and like

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Speaker 1: people may not have that experience themselves, like working with others,

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Speaker 1: and so how can they also discern what's real and

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Speaker 1: what's not.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you so much, Thank you

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Speaker 5: for your kind words. First off, it takes a lot

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Speaker 5: of years to build this and to develop it. And

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Speaker 5: by building and developing it as a mystic or practitioner,

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Speaker 5: I think you have to trust it. Right. That's what

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Speaker 5: building and developing your third eye and your intuitive gifts,

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Speaker 5: which anyone here listening can do. So when you're working

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Speaker 5: with someone and you're trying to decipher, like are they

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Speaker 5: the real deal? Are they bullshiting me? This is beautiful

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Speaker 5: because this is the personal exercise for you to start

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Speaker 5: trusting your gut and building the dialogue with your own intuition.

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Speaker 5: So how does that come up in these experiences? Well,

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Speaker 5: you're gonna know when something fills off and all of

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Speaker 5: you at a certain point in your life have felt that.

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Speaker 5: But punch where like someone's talking to and you're just like, oh,

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Speaker 5: they're bullshiting me. I know they're bullshitting me, you know,

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Speaker 5: or you just kind of get the ick when you

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Speaker 5: get the ick from them, you're like, yeah, no, like

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Speaker 5: I was all about them and now when I hear

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00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 5: them talk, it just fell flat. So when you're working

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Speaker 5: with someone who's a channeler or who is you know,

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Speaker 5: claiming to do this work, if you feel first and

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Speaker 5: foremost that they're forcing the messages a lot, or it's

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Speaker 5: just not resonating, because sometimes it doesn't resonate in the

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Speaker 5: moment that it will makes sense like three weeks down the line.

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Speaker 5: Because when we're channeling, we're channeling from a higher timeline,

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Speaker 5: So we're pulling an energy that's already manifested in the

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Speaker 5: higher dimensions and it's just making its way down into

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Speaker 5: this very dense low third dimension. So always give a practitioner,

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Speaker 5: I say, like, you know, a few weeks to a

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Speaker 5: month for the manifestation to come through what they've channeled.

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Speaker 5: But if it just feels like you're constantly forcing and

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Speaker 5: you know, trying to make with they say, resonate, it's

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Speaker 5: not for you, it's not your message, or that's just

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Speaker 5: not the practitioner for you, because sometimes your spirit GUIDs

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Speaker 5: don't want you to work with certain people, and so

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Speaker 5: when they channel for you, they might not be able

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Speaker 5: to accurately pull your energy or the energy of whatever

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Speaker 5: you're trying to seek them for support on. Because sometimes

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Speaker 5: just energetically you're not a match. It doesn't mean they're

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Speaker 5: not good at what they do or they're not valid.

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Speaker 5: It just means that your spirit team doesn't think that

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Speaker 5: you guys are a good fit. So that has to

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Speaker 5: be honored as well. But how can you tell in

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Speaker 5: real time, like whether it's through just online communication or

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Speaker 5: you book you're reading with a practitioner and you're going

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Speaker 5: through emails, or you know you're in a live zoom session, whatever,

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Speaker 5: whatever is, your gut is gonna tell you, Like, remember

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Speaker 5: you've heard the title of that book, right, Your body

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Speaker 5: keeps score. Your intuition is not channeled in the head,

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Speaker 5: it's not channeled in your mind, nor through your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: It's all through the way the body is speaking to you. Discernment, intuition,

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Speaker 5: gut feeling is all body. So if your body is

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Speaker 5: instantly having this reaction of like I don't feel connected

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Speaker 5: to this person, I feel the ich or I feel

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Speaker 5: like I need to put an energetic block, that's what

643
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Speaker 5: you need to honor, Like, maybe this isn't the right

644
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 5: petitioner for me because A they're just a bullshitter, or

645
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 5: they don't know what the fuck they're doing, or B

646
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: it's just we're not vibing energetically.

647
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Speaker 2: Great tips. Great tips, especially for those who have never

648
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: gotten their cards read or who have never worked with

649
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: someone who practices like you know, like the esoteric like

650
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: you do.

651
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Speaker 3: So thank you for bringing all of that.

652
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Speaker 2: Something else that you've done besides working individually with people

653
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Speaker 2: is you've done some analysis of like celeb charts, and

654
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: you've made some predictions that have actually come true. So

655
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Speaker 2: I'd love for you to share with us some of

656
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: the celeb charts that you've read and maybe some of

657
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: the predictions that you made that ended up coming true.

658
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Speaker 5: I love talking about this, not because like I want

659
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 5: the ego boost, but sure, why not. But I love

660
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 5: talking about it because I get so geeked out because

661
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 5: astrology really is a language. It's an art, it's a science,

662
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 5: and it's a language. And astrology is just another divination

663
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 5: tool that we can use to channel energies. And it's

664
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Speaker 5: just like you would use Theluiji border pendulum or terro

665
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 5: or oracle. Astrology is exactly that. It's just a vehicle

666
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 5: to commune with, you know, higher timelines. And so I

667
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 5: have used the wonderful language of astrology to especially have

668
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 5: fun with celebrities and their charts. I have been able

669
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Speaker 5: to again, all gratitude goes to my spirits because they

670
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 5: bring this information to me. I always have to make

671
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Speaker 5: sure I stay humbled. I'd love you guys, Thank you

672
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 5: Spirit team, Thank you astrology. I've been able to predict

673
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Speaker 5: you know, Ben and Jaelo getting back together, bad Bunny

674
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 5: and Kendle breaking up and getting back together. I've been

675
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 5: able to predict the Biden election. I've been able to

676
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 5: predict Kamalak, you know, running for office this year. I've

677
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: been able to predict Megan Markle's pregnancy, Courtney Kardashian's pregnancy

678
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 5: with Travis Barker, goodness, just so many things, and I

679
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 5: think that anyone can predict this. Really if you just

680
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 5: take the time to allow astrology to speak to you

681
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 5: and most importantly like to be an accurate reader and

682
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 5: accurate medium or chatteler, there is a certain amount of

683
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 5: humility I think that needs to go into the process

684
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Speaker 5: in terms of your own personal values and characteristics, because

685
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 5: you know, karma's very real and spirit doesn't like you know,

686
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 5: someone who's very bostful or very self serving. At the

687
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Speaker 5: end of the day, I think if you just acknowledge

688
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: that you know you are working in harmony with spirits

689
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 5: and not necessarily the dictator of spirits, then you're more

690
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 5: prone to opening up more success in these sort of realms.

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Speaker 1: I love that so much. Thank you for giving us

692
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Speaker 1: the rundown of some of the predictions, because I've been

693
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: following them, Like it's funny when you it's kind of funny,

694
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: see like the after right where you'll like make this

695
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Speaker 1: prediction and then you like post it with the headline

696
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: and you're like, what did I tell you? Like I

697
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: told you this is gonna happen, and it must feel

698
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Speaker 1: so like validating, you know, and I love seeing like

699
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: when you do that, because I'm just like, yes, she

700
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: did predict this. She told us. She's been telling us

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Speaker 1: to be prepared.

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Speaker 5: You know. And it's funny because like to your point,

703
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 5: when you're predicting in the moment and you're like, well,

704
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Speaker 5: you know, anything goes I'm just gonna throw this out

705
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Speaker 5: there because the energy is just really pulling me and

706
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 5: it's really giving me this strong, you know, feeling of

707
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: like this message needs to be shared, and I don't

708
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 5: do it from a place of like, oh, I want

709
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Speaker 5: to be the number one predictor psychic Latina predictor like

710
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Speaker 5: nah nah, because it's like again, at the end of

711
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Speaker 5: the day, if that's your goal, then like it's just

712
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 5: not gonna work. Like that's not how the spirit realm works.

713
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Speaker 5: That's why a lot of people go into this space

714
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 5: with big egos and then they drop out right a

715
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Speaker 5: year later, five years later, they couldn't make it because

716
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 5: they're show in their masculine matrix energy. So a lot

717
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 5: of times it's like people the community will reach out

718
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 5: to me and they'll ask me for support and advice

719
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Speaker 5: on like the political sphere, what's going on globally, and

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Speaker 5: I love that, because then I'd like to create dialogue

721
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Speaker 5: with community online and then just reaffirm to them through

722
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 5: these predictions or the process of astrology asological analyzation that like, hey,

723
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 5: this is again why you should use astrology. Fuck fuck

724
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 5: it for booking me, sure, book me, Yeah, help me

725
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 5: perform my table. I love that, but no, like beyond

726
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 5: me and my business, Like this is why you should

727
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 5: be investing in astrology because it makes us such powerful

728
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: manifestors and you can use this to help yourself or

729
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 5: for the greater good of your own niche communities.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you so much. And I've seen

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Speaker 1: like more people talk about like, oh yeah, like so

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Speaker 1: and so has like an astrologer on their team, you know,

733
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Speaker 1: like like big like big stars.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's becoming more like public information. You know,

736
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Speaker 1: people are like talking about that more. And it's yeah,

737
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: like this person is a part of the team. They're

738
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: like helping me decide like my creative projects and when

739
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: to release them and when's the best time. And because

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Speaker 1: like you said, like that manifestation aspect of it, Oh.

741
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Speaker 5: For sure, Like I think that mediums and mystics historically

742
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 5: and cross culturally have always been part of community, right,

743
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 5: whether it's mess American, South American, Middle Eastern, just even

744
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 5: Jesus right in his disciples, right Mary Magdalen, she was,

745
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 5: she was an oracle for him. It's not uncommon for

746
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 5: even in modern times, the one percentage in the wealthy,

747
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 5: you know, like Warren Buffett, who speak publicly and hint

748
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 5: and elude like JP Morgan has hinted and alluded to,

749
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 5: you know, if you want to be a million a billionaire,

750
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 5: get yourself an astrologer. And even when we've seen like

751
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 5: you know, in the last election twenty twenty, when Trump

752
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 5: was campaigning and he had his spiritual advice. I don't

753
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 5: know if you guys saw that clip that one viral

754
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 5: that white lady who was doing like this spiritual advising sermon,

755
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 5: you know, going crazy and channeling spirits and doing all

756
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 5: these incantations. Like I think that people in these very

757
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 5: elusive and ominous spaces work with the occult, understand ritualistic

758
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 5: significance of working with spirits and this other realm of

759
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 5: like astrology, because it helps you capitalize off of energy portals,

760
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 5: you know. Yeah, I think we're going to see more

761
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 5: and more of that come through, like people like Jalo

762
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 5: have always worked with sentetos and celebrities like Drake. I'm

763
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: sure probably has someone who's constantly, you know, working through

764
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 5: hexes that are being sent his way. Like whether it

765
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Speaker 5: was real or not. This is controversial when Trump almost

766
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: got assassinated. I mean everyone's like, it's made up, it's

767
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 5: made up. What's your opinion. I'm like, I don't think

768
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 5: that's made up, because that's not what the astrology is saying.

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Speaker 5: Right now, we have Mars plient of death and assassination

770
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 5: come junk the Yurness, which is about unpredictable matters in

771
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 5: the start now sitting at the star of Medusa, who

772
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 5: is the star of assassinations, who everyone has had in

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Speaker 5: their chart, from JFK to MLK, Martin Luther King to

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Speaker 5: Selina Kinthania. You know that star is activated in the

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Speaker 5: start now and it's transiting Trump's chart in a very

776
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Speaker 5: negative way. This was real, that's I mean, the stars

777
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 5: are saying this happened. So I think there's a lot

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00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 5: of like again, putting people on your roster, so you know,

779
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 5: like how to work with this synergy, how to protect

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00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 5: yourself from this energy, how to just shield an arm up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like Beyonce and Mariah Carey definitely have

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00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: mediums that they go to. I just have a feeling

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Speaker 2: that they have mystics that they go to. And I'm

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00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: really curious if you have a medium or a mystic

785
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Speaker 2: you go to, or if you have someone who's a

786
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: favorite outside of yourself. I used to watch Long Island

787
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Speaker 2: Medium and I love her. I think she's so cool.

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Speaker 2: But I I'm curious, like, who are your faves and

789
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: if you go to somebody.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I love Teresa Kuputo, the Long Island Medium. I've

791
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 5: actually seen her live and she's so gifted. She is

792
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 5: the real deal. She's always been an inspiration to me.

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Speaker 5: I love her personality. She's hilarious. She's a straight shooter.

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00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 5: You know, she's not gonna bullshit you like. I think

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00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 5: she does this work with a lot of integrity, although

796
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 5: sometimes I'm like, oh, she can have a little bit

797
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 5: stronger boundaries with the spirits because she loves the spirits

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00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 5: walk all over her sometimes. But in terms of like

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Speaker 5: in my personal everyday life, people that I trust absolutely,

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Speaker 5: I think that especially if you're doing this work, you

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00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 5: need elders, whether it's older mind us in this space

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00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 5: who've been doing this work longer. You need teachers and mentors.

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00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 5: Your teacher, your mentor should have a teacher and a mentor.

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Speaker 5: I believe wholeheartedly that all of us should have teachers

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Speaker 5: and mentors, especially if you're an entrepreneur or you work

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00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 5: in a space that is, you know, misunderstood like mine.

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00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 5: You need people to hold you accountable, right and this

808
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 5: is where you have to ask community to hold your accountable. Also,

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00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 5: other people in this space who've been walking this path longer.

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Speaker 5: So I also have a very very good friend. Her

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Speaker 5: name is Melodic Waters, and you know, she's very well

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00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 5: versed in a lot of Afro spiritual practices. She's the

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00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 5: real deal, and she's who I go to for when

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00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 5: I need support from her spirit team to help me

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Speaker 5: through any sort of spiritual warfare, spiritual attacks, to help

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Speaker 5: me channel messages that I might feel I'm blocking for

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00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 5: myself because I'm biased, you know. So I definitely have

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Speaker 5: three people in my pocket. I'm not going to share

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Speaker 5: everybody because at the end of the day, like those

820
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 5: are my tools and my resources. I think that I

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Speaker 5: don't want people to know because I just don't want

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Speaker 5: any evil life sent their way, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: For sure, thank you so much for sharing. So I

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Speaker 1: really loved hearing that from you. And you know, just

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Speaker 1: to close up, I would love for you to talk

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Speaker 1: about or tell folks like where they can book you,

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Speaker 1: where they can keep up with your work. You do

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Speaker 1: so much, so please plug everything that you're doing well.

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Speaker 5: Thank you both for having me and loved having this dialogue.

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Speaker 5: And I just want to before I do that, encourage

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Speaker 5: whoever's listening if you feel this calling to explore controversial

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Speaker 5: spiritual subjects or spiritual paths, like follow the curiosity, because

833
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 5: your higher self is leading you to that there's something

834
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 5: there you need to learn about yourself or that will

835
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 5: help you unlock something to love more about yourself, not

836
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 5: heal about yourself, but understand more about yourself, to love

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00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 5: about yourself. Because even our flaws and our cons can

838
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 5: become beautiful gifts. So if you're thinking of you know,

839
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 5: practicing and merging a little bit of bouhidia, even though

840
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: you're still a Catholic or a Christian, like it's okay,

841
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 5: Like there's no judgment. So if you want to connect

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00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 5: more with my writing, I write for Cosmopolitan. I have

843
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 5: a column there. I have a column with Pop Sugar.

844
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 5: I have a lot of decolonial pieces I've written for

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Speaker 5: a lot of people like Hip Latina, where I've done

846
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 5: a lot of past pieces on spirituality and how to

847
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 5: venerate your ancestors and how to develop your spiritual gifts.

848
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 5: But you can also book one on one sessions with me.

849
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 5: I do offer Terrell readings, astrology readings, and you can

850
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Speaker 5: follow me on Instagram Esthetic Underscore Essa. That's where I

851
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 5: do a lot of my predictions. That's where I like

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00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 5: to engage with community and you know, gather your guys'

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00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 5: opinion on like what should we talk about next? So

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