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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio. Heydaron.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the latest episode of the Book of

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Speaker 1: Joe with me, Tom Verducci, and of course Joe Madden.

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Speaker 1: Joe are almost one month into the season. How you doing.

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Speaker 1: How are you enjoying the Major League Baseball season twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five?

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Speaker 2: Doing well? I have been watching some games. You know,

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Speaker 2: what I really like is the MLB app So like

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Speaker 2: in the morning, I'll catch up on box scores and

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Speaker 2: things like that. I look at the post and I

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Speaker 2: look at the app. But the thing I like is

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Speaker 2: their video recap of a game. It's pretty good, so

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Speaker 2: you know, you're not going to see everything. Of course,

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Speaker 2: you don't see a lot of pitching moments that I'm

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Speaker 2: watching hitters I'm watching, you know, seeing guys that have

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Speaker 2: not I don't really know. I've never had a chance

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Speaker 2: to be on the field with their scout. I'm loving

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Speaker 2: the of the recent successes of Joe Adele. He's one

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Speaker 2: of my favorites. I like what he's doing Paris the

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Speaker 2: Young Second Basement with the Angels. I noticed that Hobby's

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Speaker 2: starting to pick up a little bit. I know he's

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Speaker 2: playing all over the place, but I like the app

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Speaker 2: for that reason, the condensed version of so I've been

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Speaker 2: able to keep up do my daily readings and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: so far, so good. Kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that app is just awesome, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're even a little bit of a baseball fan,

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Speaker 1: you have to have that. It's a must have.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: Hey, one of our favorite topics here, at least mine,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Joe is manager is dealing

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Speaker 1: with discipline because it doesn't come up much in MLB.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into a major controversy in that regard.

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Speaker 1: But I have to start since you mentioned the app,

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Speaker 1: Joe and following Aaron Judge this year, I mean, is

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Speaker 1: it possible and I think it is possible that Aaron

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Speaker 1: Judge is the best he's ever been. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: saying a lot. This guy is an all time great

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Speaker 1: hitter and that's not an exaggeration. How about this slash

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Speaker 1: line this year Joe four eleven five h nine on

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Speaker 1: base percentage that's just ridiculous and a seven twenty two

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Speaker 1: slugging percentage. You know, he had a game Tuesday night

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Speaker 1: on four different pitches. He has twenty five RBIs in

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Speaker 1: his first twenty four games this year. Joe, we know

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Speaker 1: this guy's a great hitter. Tell me what you're seeing

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Judge this year, because last year we talked

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Speaker 1: to back in that Yankee lineup. He's actually even better

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Speaker 2: I think it all comes down to chase and organization

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Speaker 2: of a strike zone. I think it starts with that.

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Speaker 2: You know, when he goes bad, like most hitters, they

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Speaker 2: get outside of their zone a little bit, and then

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Speaker 2: pitchers will just feed off of that. You lose your patience.

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Speaker 2: These the pitches that start as a strike can become

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Speaker 2: a lot. The check swing always bothers me in regards

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Speaker 2: I just he's obviously on top of his game. I

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Speaker 2: think he's motivated, but he's always motive. But the way

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Speaker 2: The fact that he had a difficult postseason did not

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Speaker 2: of different areas this is like the perfect storm to

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Speaker 2: see the best version of him doesn't have Sodo in

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Speaker 2: the lineup, And I know there's been a lot made

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Speaker 2: the fact that is it's a different cast of character

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Speaker 2: So there's all these little dynamic things working right there.

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Speaker 2: But I think the primary thing is how last season ended,

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Speaker 2: how he probably processed the offseason, how and coming into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like your take on that, Joe, because you

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Speaker 1: don't want to imply that he's trying harder, right, because

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Speaker 1: I never liked that, but I like that word focus

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Speaker 1: That surprised me that pitchers are actually coming into the

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Speaker 1: this I've never seen a number like this. Joe, He's

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Speaker 2: Well, we've talked about even in the past. You know,

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Speaker 2: would I would just uh three game series. Emphasis would

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Speaker 2: in conjunction with that, like I said, I believe what

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Speaker 2: Regardless of analytics and where it says the pitcher not pitch.

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Speaker 1: I think that's it, Joe. I don't think there's a

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Speaker 1: But what's interesting, Joe, is you look at launch angle

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Speaker 2: I'm such a Tucker fan. We've talked about this before

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Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly what that was. I'm a Tucker freak.

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Speaker 2: He grew up right down the street from where I'm

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Speaker 2: I just think, like we've talked about it, argument is

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Speaker 2: I still would choose him over a Soto given a

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Speaker 2: Because he also kills lefties. The home run he hit

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Speaker 2: it starts with him, I really do. I think he's

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Speaker 2: The other guys, I'm curious to see how this all

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Speaker 2: He is that good, is at bachelor that good, and

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Speaker 2: on top of that, he's a good baseball player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all great points. Let me correct myself. Their

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Speaker 1: Center, Joes. It reminds you of anybody that you've seen,

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, I mean regarding that, of course,

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Speaker 2: I'm just just posing.

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Speaker 1: That I've got some answers for you, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it might surprise you, Okay. I mean this

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Speaker 1: But anyway, to answer your question, you're absolutely right those

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Speaker 1: Carlos Santana, Paul Goldschmidt and Tommy fam That's it. Now.

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Speaker 1: but I'll go back to velocity, Joe. I think the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess a lot of these are guys.

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Speaker 2: To always rely on somebody else's thoughts or opinions. It's difficult,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the information. But it's the one thing I

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Speaker 1: Well, I mentioned the top Joe, we needed to talk

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Speaker 1: Of course, we're talking about the role of Brian Snicker

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe. Joe, I'm sure you saw this

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you did too. I want to start with

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to see if I could go in

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Speaker 2: For me, it was always respect ninety I would have

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Speaker 1: I saw it painted in the grass of the spring training.

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Speaker 2: tough conversation sometimes with Akunya, I'm betting that Snid had

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Speaker 2: I would bet not. I don't want to use the

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00:21:17,278 --> 00:21:19,318
Speaker 2: word chronic, but I'm sure it popped up a little

431
00:21:19,318 --> 00:21:22,478
Speaker 2: bit where he was not pleased with the way he

432
00:21:22,598 --> 00:21:25,878
Speaker 2: ran maybe one two or three times before he actually

433
00:21:25,918 --> 00:21:29,398
Speaker 2: did pull him for kel Nick. Obviously, he is a

434
00:21:29,398 --> 00:21:32,278
Speaker 2: hair on fire kind of guy, so sometimes you're not

435
00:21:32,318 --> 00:21:33,998
Speaker 2: looking for that with a guy like that. So I

436
00:21:33,998 --> 00:21:36,558
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of things involved in this, But

437
00:21:36,758 --> 00:21:39,518
Speaker 2: the point is, if you say you're gonna do something

438
00:21:39,518 --> 00:21:42,158
Speaker 2: as a matter, you gotta do it. I've been involved

439
00:21:42,198 --> 00:21:43,838
Speaker 2: in it myself. I've pulled a couple of guys that

440
00:21:43,878 --> 00:21:46,198
Speaker 2: have been involved with the veteran player back in the

441
00:21:46,278 --> 00:21:49,078
Speaker 2: day that I advised my manager to do it based

442
00:21:49,118 --> 00:21:52,398
Speaker 2: on conversations we had prior to the moment with the player.

443
00:21:52,518 --> 00:21:56,198
Speaker 2: So long answer. There's a lot going on there, but

444
00:21:56,518 --> 00:21:58,078
Speaker 2: if you say you're going to do it, you got

445
00:21:58,078 --> 00:22:00,158
Speaker 2: to do it. So I'm just betting that there was

446
00:22:00,678 --> 00:22:04,318
Speaker 2: previous egregious situations that let snit to do this.

447
00:22:04,958 --> 00:22:06,678
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that, and I think there

448
00:22:06,838 --> 00:22:09,718
Speaker 1: was some warnings, if you will, or situations with a

449
00:22:09,758 --> 00:22:12,278
Speaker 1: kunya that had been dressed before it became public. But

450
00:22:12,358 --> 00:22:14,638
Speaker 1: let me start with this, the most important part of

451
00:22:14,678 --> 00:22:17,638
Speaker 1: all this Joe in my book, and I love Brian Snicker.

452
00:22:17,678 --> 00:22:19,998
Speaker 1: He's a great manager. I love his story. He waited

453
00:22:20,038 --> 00:22:21,998
Speaker 1: a long time to get a job. Win's a world

454
00:22:22,118 --> 00:22:25,518
Speaker 1: series dedicated to the Brays organization for half a century.

455
00:22:26,518 --> 00:22:29,518
Speaker 1: But you can't miss that play. And he literally was

456
00:22:29,718 --> 00:22:33,438
Speaker 1: unaware of what Jared Kilnick did. He didn't know what

457
00:22:33,478 --> 00:22:37,558
Speaker 1: he said until the next morning, this Sunday morning. That

458
00:22:37,838 --> 00:22:43,038
Speaker 1: cannot happen. Where is your staff and I'm talking about

459
00:22:43,078 --> 00:22:47,038
Speaker 1: coaching staff, analysts, everything. When a guy gets thrown out

460
00:22:47,198 --> 00:22:51,278
Speaker 1: in this case a bang bang play your job as

461
00:22:51,318 --> 00:22:54,478
Speaker 1: a manager to understand why, no matter where it is

462
00:22:54,518 --> 00:22:56,518
Speaker 1: on the base paths. Did he get a bad jump?

463
00:22:57,118 --> 00:23:00,318
Speaker 1: Was a secondary poor Did my coach not give him

464
00:23:00,518 --> 00:23:04,598
Speaker 1: a good heads up? What happened to cause that run

465
00:23:04,638 --> 00:23:07,238
Speaker 1: to come off the board or the runner off the field.

466
00:23:07,758 --> 00:23:10,598
Speaker 1: Sneaker didn't do that. Inventory You can't miss that play.

467
00:23:10,598 --> 00:23:13,838
Speaker 1: It's literally right in front of you. It was shown

468
00:23:13,998 --> 00:23:17,198
Speaker 1: on the video board in the ballpark because it was

469
00:23:17,438 --> 00:23:22,118
Speaker 1: under review. Other thing here, Joe, is that when Acunya

470
00:23:22,198 --> 00:23:25,758
Speaker 1: did not run, the lead runner was on second base,

471
00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:28,198
Speaker 1: So you have to bust it out of the box.

472
00:23:28,398 --> 00:23:31,078
Speaker 1: In this case, there's a runner on first base and

473
00:23:31,198 --> 00:23:34,718
Speaker 1: less than two outs. The runner literally as he should

474
00:23:34,998 --> 00:23:39,238
Speaker 1: stopped halfway between first and second turns and watches the ball.

475
00:23:39,438 --> 00:23:43,198
Speaker 1: He was literally stopped and flat footed halfway as the

476
00:23:43,198 --> 00:23:46,278
Speaker 1: ball hit the wall. So as the better runner, you

477
00:23:46,438 --> 00:23:50,758
Speaker 1: cannot be running full speed. Now that being said, you've

478
00:23:50,798 --> 00:23:54,078
Speaker 1: got to at least run hard enough to have that

479
00:23:54,198 --> 00:23:57,718
Speaker 1: second base be in play. You cannot, as kell Nick did,

480
00:23:58,358 --> 00:24:01,078
Speaker 1: go all the way to the coach's box with the

481
00:24:01,158 --> 00:24:03,878
Speaker 1: bat in your hands and you're looping out towards the

482
00:24:03,998 --> 00:24:06,278
Speaker 1: warning track. You can't do that. You have to give

483
00:24:06,318 --> 00:24:08,838
Speaker 1: an honest effort. But fans who are looking at this

484
00:24:08,958 --> 00:24:10,958
Speaker 1: thinking he should be busting out of the box, No,

485
00:24:11,358 --> 00:24:13,318
Speaker 1: you're gonna run down the runner in front of you.

486
00:24:13,798 --> 00:24:15,878
Speaker 1: But to me, it comes down to the manager, and

487
00:24:15,918 --> 00:24:19,558
Speaker 1: I love snit. I have no idea how he was

488
00:24:19,838 --> 00:24:25,358
Speaker 1: unaware of Jared Kelnick not taking a proper route on

489
00:24:25,398 --> 00:24:26,838
Speaker 1: that fly ball. I don't get it.

490
00:24:27,038 --> 00:24:29,158
Speaker 2: I will defend the point that sometimes you do not

491
00:24:29,318 --> 00:24:32,878
Speaker 2: see something because you're following something else dugout wise with

492
00:24:32,918 --> 00:24:36,118
Speaker 2: your eyeballs. But in this situation, first of all, the

493
00:24:36,158 --> 00:24:38,478
Speaker 2: fact that he got thrown out at second base, you

494
00:24:38,558 --> 00:24:41,278
Speaker 2: have to say what happened there? Right? You have to

495
00:24:41,318 --> 00:24:43,718
Speaker 2: ask that question. There's no way I would not have

496
00:24:43,758 --> 00:24:47,838
Speaker 2: asked that question. There's no way my bench coach would

497
00:24:47,878 --> 00:24:49,918
Speaker 2: have said, or did you not see that? Did you

498
00:24:49,918 --> 00:24:51,758
Speaker 2: see that? Or I would have asked a question, what

499
00:24:51,838 --> 00:24:55,358
Speaker 2: happened I missed that? So it's difficult to understand why

500
00:24:55,878 --> 00:24:58,038
Speaker 2: you did not know all of that. Even if you

501
00:24:58,038 --> 00:25:02,478
Speaker 2: didn't actually see it, you do the post warnerm immediately

502
00:25:02,798 --> 00:25:05,158
Speaker 2: and find out exactly what did happen right there. So

503
00:25:05,278 --> 00:25:08,318
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that there's some incongruencies right there.

504
00:25:09,198 --> 00:25:11,438
Speaker 2: That and I didn't even realize the fact that somebody

505
00:25:11,478 --> 00:25:13,958
Speaker 2: was already on base, that nobody really portrayed that. When

506
00:25:13,958 --> 00:25:16,238
Speaker 2: I watched the replays and stuff, I didn't understand that,

507
00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:19,278
Speaker 2: and that there is something about that that the runner

508
00:25:19,278 --> 00:25:21,718
Speaker 2: batter runner had to be aware of. But if you

509
00:25:21,798 --> 00:25:25,678
Speaker 2: do miss something because you're looking elsewhere and something happens

510
00:25:25,678 --> 00:25:28,598
Speaker 2: like you're talking about we're talking about, I would immediately

511
00:25:28,598 --> 00:25:31,318
Speaker 2: ask a coach what happened right there, and I would

512
00:25:31,358 --> 00:25:34,198
Speaker 2: find out immediately going to the clubhouse after the game,

513
00:25:34,198 --> 00:25:37,518
Speaker 2: find out immediately. But the way, like I said, scoreboards

514
00:25:37,558 --> 00:25:40,838
Speaker 2: and the speed of everything right now, it's hard to

515
00:25:40,918 --> 00:25:43,198
Speaker 2: understand or imagine that he did not know.

516
00:25:43,878 --> 00:25:45,958
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get it. I mean listen, a radio

517
00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:49,358
Speaker 1: reporter asked him after the game, are you going to

518
00:25:49,398 --> 00:25:53,398
Speaker 1: say something to Kelnick? And Brian Snicker said, what do

519
00:25:53,478 --> 00:25:55,158
Speaker 1: you want me to say? Way to go? You hit

520
00:25:55,198 --> 00:25:58,478
Speaker 1: the ball hard. He literally was unaware of it, even

521
00:25:58,638 --> 00:26:03,478
Speaker 1: after the game. You have a million coaches, analysts, support people.

522
00:26:03,958 --> 00:26:07,958
Speaker 1: You have iPads in the dugout that literally show every

523
00:26:08,158 --> 00:26:11,518
Speaker 1: play after it happens. I know teams Joe that when

524
00:26:11,638 --> 00:26:14,678
Speaker 1: a close play happens, on the basis, somebody on that

525
00:26:14,798 --> 00:26:18,678
Speaker 1: staff is reviewing that play on an iPad every single play.

526
00:26:18,718 --> 00:26:20,838
Speaker 1: It's right there for you. So even if you miss

527
00:26:20,878 --> 00:26:23,198
Speaker 1: it in real time, and that's easy to do. We're

528
00:26:23,198 --> 00:26:24,998
Speaker 1: all following the ball in the air, right, You're not

529
00:26:25,118 --> 00:26:28,358
Speaker 1: really following the runner. You have too many people around you,

530
00:26:28,358 --> 00:26:30,478
Speaker 1: you have too many access to replays, including on the

531
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Speaker 1: Jumbo tron, to be completely unaware of it. You know,

532
00:26:33,878 --> 00:26:35,878
Speaker 1: I hate to make something bigger out of this, Joe,

533
00:26:35,918 --> 00:26:38,718
Speaker 1: but it does speak to me that there are some

534
00:26:38,758 --> 00:26:42,718
Speaker 1: broken things here with the Braves. Lack of communication, lack

535
00:26:42,758 --> 00:26:44,518
Speaker 1: of support really have in your back, and I know

536
00:26:44,558 --> 00:26:47,118
Speaker 1: they've had a lot of coaching staff changes over the years.

537
00:26:47,598 --> 00:26:51,558
Speaker 1: You mentioned this, the lack of other players stepping up

538
00:26:51,798 --> 00:26:54,558
Speaker 1: and taking the lead bowl roll here and the fact

539
00:26:54,598 --> 00:26:59,078
Speaker 1: that Ronald Acunya still has a sore spot from six

540
00:26:59,198 --> 00:27:01,838
Speaker 1: years ago when the manager benched him that he's going

541
00:27:01,918 --> 00:27:03,558
Speaker 1: to call him out and throw them one under the

542
00:27:03,558 --> 00:27:07,318
Speaker 1: bus publicly. Now, I get why Ronald Lacunya feels offended

543
00:27:07,398 --> 00:27:09,358
Speaker 1: that there's a double standard in play. I get that,

544
00:27:10,078 --> 00:27:12,358
Speaker 1: but you can't And getting back to your phrase, Joe,

545
00:27:12,598 --> 00:27:16,718
Speaker 1: praise publicly and criticized privately. You can't throw your manager

546
00:27:16,798 --> 00:27:20,718
Speaker 1: under the brought in public like that. Again, I understand

547
00:27:20,798 --> 00:27:22,638
Speaker 1: why he did that. So to me, there's a lot

548
00:27:22,638 --> 00:27:25,078
Speaker 1: of things broken here about maybe This is all part

549
00:27:25,078 --> 00:27:26,838
Speaker 1: of just getting off to a bad start, even though

550
00:27:26,878 --> 00:27:30,038
Speaker 1: they're playing better lately. The Bray's got to do some

551
00:27:30,318 --> 00:27:34,678
Speaker 1: inventory here about why something like this happened and what

552
00:27:34,718 --> 00:27:35,478
Speaker 1: does it reflect.

553
00:27:36,158 --> 00:27:38,958
Speaker 2: This is a perfect opportunity for a Jack Ryan moment.

554
00:27:39,678 --> 00:27:41,798
Speaker 2: You remember we've talked about even in the book. Jack Ryan,

555
00:27:41,878 --> 00:27:46,598
Speaker 2: the protagonist from the Clancy novels. He was advising the

556
00:27:46,678 --> 00:27:49,998
Speaker 2: President and there was a drug situation gone wrong in

557
00:27:50,038 --> 00:27:53,598
Speaker 2: the Caribbean where the President's one of his best friends

558
00:27:53,638 --> 00:27:57,038
Speaker 2: was involved in. This ends up being killed in a

559
00:27:57,078 --> 00:28:00,558
Speaker 2: pirate situation in the Caribbean, and they're trying to do

560
00:28:00,598 --> 00:28:02,678
Speaker 2: the spin doctor thing. They're going with the spin doctors.

561
00:28:02,718 --> 00:28:06,278
Speaker 2: We're trying to make excuse what happened in that this

562
00:28:06,318 --> 00:28:08,798
Speaker 2: guy was just an acquaintance. I hardly ever knew him.

563
00:28:09,078 --> 00:28:11,238
Speaker 2: But Jack Ryan steps in and says, no, I didn't

564
00:28:11,278 --> 00:28:13,118
Speaker 2: only just know him. He's one of my best friends

565
00:28:13,118 --> 00:28:15,878
Speaker 2: for a long time. So in situations like this, the

566
00:28:15,918 --> 00:28:18,278
Speaker 2: best way to handle it is run toward it, never

567
00:28:18,358 --> 00:28:20,878
Speaker 2: run away from it. Yeah, I might have missed it

568
00:28:20,918 --> 00:28:22,918
Speaker 2: and I should have said something, and I'm going to

569
00:28:22,958 --> 00:28:25,558
Speaker 2: address it because it was wrong and it's counter to

570
00:28:25,638 --> 00:28:29,238
Speaker 2: everything we believe in as an Atlanta Brave. So it's

571
00:28:29,278 --> 00:28:33,158
Speaker 2: pretty simple. Man. When you start deflecting, dissembling, whatever you

572
00:28:33,238 --> 00:28:36,358
Speaker 2: want to call it, in a situation like this, it's

573
00:28:36,398 --> 00:28:38,758
Speaker 2: gonna faster and it's going to become something larger than

574
00:28:38,758 --> 00:28:41,078
Speaker 2: it deserves to be. Number one, number two. This is

575
00:28:41,118 --> 00:28:43,998
Speaker 2: the part about the social media world that really is

576
00:28:44,678 --> 00:28:47,838
Speaker 2: very pulsive to me. The fact that a young man

577
00:28:47,878 --> 00:28:51,278
Speaker 2: would use it in a way to criticize his manager

578
00:28:51,358 --> 00:28:55,358
Speaker 2: like this is not to make excuse me any sense,

579
00:28:55,438 --> 00:28:57,358
Speaker 2: or it makes sense only because that's what goes on.

580
00:28:57,718 --> 00:29:02,598
Speaker 2: But it's a really cowardly way to confront a situation

581
00:29:02,758 --> 00:29:04,998
Speaker 2: like this. I believe it is a holy way, and

582
00:29:05,038 --> 00:29:06,758
Speaker 2: I would like to believe in the future he'll never

583
00:29:06,798 --> 00:29:09,758
Speaker 2: do something like this again. So in baseball, when you

584
00:29:09,798 --> 00:29:12,878
Speaker 2: have these kind of issues, the best way to deflate it,

585
00:29:12,918 --> 00:29:15,198
Speaker 2: dis armament and have it go away quickly is to

586
00:29:15,278 --> 00:29:17,078
Speaker 2: run toward it, never run away from it.

587
00:29:17,518 --> 00:29:19,838
Speaker 1: Yeah, all great points, Joe, and I want to ask

588
00:29:19,878 --> 00:29:22,998
Speaker 1: you about your own experience with this. Like with Roald Acunya,

589
00:29:23,078 --> 00:29:25,758
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't like calling out the

590
00:29:25,798 --> 00:29:29,798
Speaker 1: manager at all like this. It's really just improper. But again,

591
00:29:29,878 --> 00:29:33,598
Speaker 1: it speaks to the hurt that he still carries, right yeah,

592
00:29:33,638 --> 00:29:36,118
Speaker 1: oh yeah, So something that needs to be addressed here

593
00:29:36,198 --> 00:29:41,118
Speaker 1: between Snicker and Acuna Junior. Whether it's repaarable, it should be.

594
00:29:41,878 --> 00:29:44,758
Speaker 1: But you one situation like this with BJ Upton as

595
00:29:44,758 --> 00:29:48,118
Speaker 1: a young player with the Rays, did you guys get

596
00:29:48,238 --> 00:29:50,798
Speaker 1: beyond that or was the hurt always there?

597
00:29:51,158 --> 00:29:52,958
Speaker 2: No, we got beyond it. I mean there was a

598
00:29:53,118 --> 00:29:56,598
Speaker 2: other you know, with BJ and I such a great talent.

599
00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:59,398
Speaker 2: I sincerely love this young man. He and I had

600
00:29:59,438 --> 00:30:02,278
Speaker 2: a great relationship, but there was moments, not only that one.

601
00:30:02,278 --> 00:30:05,318
Speaker 2: It was another moment that I'm not going to get

602
00:30:05,318 --> 00:30:08,638
Speaker 2: into it specifically, but something happened in a game and

603
00:30:08,718 --> 00:30:11,718
Speaker 2: I called him in after the game and I said

604
00:30:11,718 --> 00:30:15,478
Speaker 2: some things to him that I later regretted, and eventually

605
00:30:15,558 --> 00:30:17,718
Speaker 2: I called him back in a there two later and

606
00:30:17,798 --> 00:30:20,318
Speaker 2: I apologized him for what I said and the fact

607
00:30:20,358 --> 00:30:22,118
Speaker 2: that I should have handled it better. I should have

608
00:30:22,398 --> 00:30:25,798
Speaker 2: presented in a different situation, not a different situation. I

609
00:30:25,798 --> 00:30:28,998
Speaker 2: should have presented it in a better way, a more

610
00:30:29,038 --> 00:30:32,638
Speaker 2: complete way, and I should have understood where he was

611
00:30:32,638 --> 00:30:35,278
Speaker 2: coming from also, So I did put him out of

612
00:30:35,318 --> 00:30:37,518
Speaker 2: a game, and again there was there was warnings before that.

613
00:30:37,518 --> 00:30:40,598
Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned that with the Acunya thing. But

614
00:30:40,678 --> 00:30:43,998
Speaker 2: the next time it was a lesson that I really learned.

615
00:30:44,078 --> 00:30:45,758
Speaker 2: But like I said, I did call him in and

616
00:30:45,798 --> 00:30:49,118
Speaker 2: I apologized him because I was wrong. I was wrong

617
00:30:49,158 --> 00:30:51,838
Speaker 2: in the way I handled it. I was wrong what

618
00:30:51,918 --> 00:30:54,238
Speaker 2: I said to him, and I wanted to know that.

619
00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:57,998
Speaker 2: And then after that, I think the relationship really blossomed.

620
00:30:58,518 --> 00:31:01,798
Speaker 2: So you have to admit to your mistakes sometimes as

621
00:31:01,838 --> 00:31:07,238
Speaker 2: a manager, where as a an authoritata figure you use

622
00:31:07,278 --> 00:31:09,398
Speaker 2: emotion in the wrong way and you got to really

623
00:31:09,478 --> 00:31:11,958
Speaker 2: keep emotion out of these kinds of conversations. So I

624
00:31:11,998 --> 00:31:15,358
Speaker 2: did include it. I was wrong, and I did apologize

625
00:31:15,358 --> 00:31:17,438
Speaker 2: to and we became pretty tight after that.

626
00:31:18,198 --> 00:31:23,038
Speaker 1: Very interesting stuff there, Joe. Really good insight. Question now

627
00:31:23,118 --> 00:31:25,998
Speaker 1: is are the Braves in trouble? And again I'm not

628
00:31:26,038 --> 00:31:27,838
Speaker 1: going to take one incident and say they're in trouble

629
00:31:27,878 --> 00:31:30,078
Speaker 1: because of that, but I look at the standings, and

630
00:31:30,078 --> 00:31:32,278
Speaker 1: I look at some of their injuries. I look at

631
00:31:32,278 --> 00:31:34,438
Speaker 1: the way they've been offensively the last couple of years,

632
00:31:34,478 --> 00:31:36,438
Speaker 1: but mostly I look at the National League and the

633
00:31:36,438 --> 00:31:38,558
Speaker 1: way the National League West has really jumped forward with

634
00:31:38,638 --> 00:31:41,358
Speaker 1: some really good depth there. Last year it took eighty

635
00:31:41,478 --> 00:31:43,838
Speaker 1: nine wins to get into the postseason. That number may

636
00:31:43,878 --> 00:31:46,958
Speaker 1: even be a little bit higher this year. So I

637
00:31:46,998 --> 00:31:49,798
Speaker 1: think a path to the playoffs you have probably looking

638
00:31:49,838 --> 00:31:53,398
Speaker 1: at having to win the NL East to get in.

639
00:31:53,678 --> 00:31:55,838
Speaker 1: If you're in the East. Now that can change. It's

640
00:31:55,918 --> 00:31:58,958
Speaker 1: very early. But where do you see the Braves visa

641
00:31:59,038 --> 00:32:01,598
Speaker 1: VI the playoff picture in the National League?

642
00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:03,798
Speaker 2: Well, I still think they have the capabilities, but also

643
00:32:04,038 --> 00:32:06,678
Speaker 2: with what you've been saying that the part of their

644
00:32:06,678 --> 00:32:09,078
Speaker 2: issues there are not necessarily that they have not been

645
00:32:09,118 --> 00:32:12,038
Speaker 2: playing well, but all the undercurrent that could really be

646
00:32:12,118 --> 00:32:14,998
Speaker 2: more detrimental than just not playing well that we know

647
00:32:15,038 --> 00:32:17,518
Speaker 2: we're going to figure out and get beyond. They're still

648
00:32:17,598 --> 00:32:21,518
Speaker 2: very talented. There's certain guys that have not been hitting

649
00:32:21,518 --> 00:32:23,718
Speaker 2: well playing well to this point are going to do

650
00:32:23,798 --> 00:32:25,558
Speaker 2: those kind of things. You know. They're pitching has been

651
00:32:25,558 --> 00:32:29,078
Speaker 2: impacted a bit, But I agree with you that these

652
00:32:29,158 --> 00:32:32,438
Speaker 2: little the undercurrent, the undertow, stuff that keeps pulling you

653
00:32:32,518 --> 00:32:35,638
Speaker 2: down needs to be dealt with. This is maybe an

654
00:32:35,638 --> 00:32:38,918
Speaker 2: opportunity or a time that I may have gotten away

655
00:32:38,958 --> 00:32:41,758
Speaker 2: from my normal patterns of not having a team meeting

656
00:32:42,558 --> 00:32:44,878
Speaker 2: during the course of a year or two address the situation,

657
00:32:45,878 --> 00:32:47,998
Speaker 2: because this definitely needs to be addressed. I would have

658
00:32:48,078 --> 00:32:51,718
Speaker 2: to believe that Sin's already spoken to Acuna regarding the situation.

659
00:32:52,398 --> 00:32:54,198
Speaker 2: You could smooth over it, but it has to be

660
00:32:54,278 --> 00:32:58,158
Speaker 2: sincerely rectified somehow. And again, not being in the building,

661
00:32:58,198 --> 00:33:01,598
Speaker 2: not totally understanding the interpersonal relationships and how strong are

662
00:33:01,678 --> 00:33:04,558
Speaker 2: weak they may be. It's hard to tell that, but

663
00:33:04,918 --> 00:33:08,118
Speaker 2: the fact that they're underperforming is one thing. The other

664
00:33:08,398 --> 00:33:12,158
Speaker 2: the point that they're underperforming with issues makes it more complicated.

665
00:33:12,518 --> 00:33:16,078
Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on that. Marldacuna Junior obviously coming

666
00:33:16,118 --> 00:33:19,078
Speaker 1: back from the knee injury. We'll be back sometime in May,

667
00:33:19,358 --> 00:33:21,398
Speaker 1: so he's working his way back and we'll see how

668
00:33:21,438 --> 00:33:23,998
Speaker 1: he folds into that lineup. In the meantime, we have

669
00:33:24,078 --> 00:33:26,638
Speaker 1: to talk about one of our favorite players, Joe show

670
00:33:26,678 --> 00:33:30,838
Speaker 1: Hey Otani in the news again, this time for something

671
00:33:30,878 --> 00:33:33,678
Speaker 1: off the field. We'll talk about that right after this

672
00:33:34,118 --> 00:33:47,718
Speaker 1: on the Book of Joe. Welcome back to the Book

673
00:33:47,758 --> 00:33:49,878
Speaker 1: of Joe. Hey Joe, did you see that show? Hey

674
00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:53,678
Speaker 1: Otani is now a dad a baby daughter.

675
00:33:53,998 --> 00:33:57,398
Speaker 2: I did see that. It's spectacular, very happy for him

676
00:33:57,398 --> 00:34:00,158
Speaker 2: and his wife. I've never met her happy for show.

677
00:34:00,558 --> 00:34:03,038
Speaker 2: You know, I get to see him in a wonderful father.

678
00:34:03,158 --> 00:34:05,358
Speaker 2: I mean, so he interacts with this with his what

679
00:34:05,478 --> 00:34:09,958
Speaker 2: his pet dog or yeah, I mean so's he's got.

680
00:34:10,038 --> 00:34:14,838
Speaker 2: He's got that nurturing spirit. He's the calm human being,

681
00:34:14,878 --> 00:34:18,398
Speaker 2: calm influence. I'm certain he's going to be enamored with

682
00:34:18,478 --> 00:34:21,518
Speaker 2: this for years to come, and possibly there's got to

683
00:34:21,558 --> 00:34:23,758
Speaker 2: be a young show hey male at some point too.

684
00:34:24,678 --> 00:34:26,398
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm very happy for him and his family,

685
00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:28,478
Speaker 2: and I think this could even set him on fire

686
00:34:28,518 --> 00:34:30,958
Speaker 2: even more. You know the fact that because I've always

687
00:34:30,998 --> 00:34:34,478
Speaker 2: believed once you become a parent, the words sacrifice really

688
00:34:34,518 --> 00:34:40,318
Speaker 2: truly becomes defined and it really puts things in proper

689
00:34:40,358 --> 00:34:43,838
Speaker 2: perspective in order in regards your life completely. So a

690
00:34:43,838 --> 00:34:46,878
Speaker 2: lot going on there. Happy for him, heads up, heads up,

691
00:34:46,878 --> 00:34:48,358
Speaker 2: baseball world, that might even get better.

692
00:34:48,838 --> 00:34:51,518
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point, Joe, because I totally agree

693
00:34:51,518 --> 00:34:54,278
Speaker 1: with you. A lot of people jokingly or maybe not jokingly,

694
00:34:54,358 --> 00:34:57,718
Speaker 1: talk about dad power. You know, guys who become dads

695
00:34:57,998 --> 00:34:59,438
Speaker 1: all of a sudden get a little more pop in

696
00:34:59,478 --> 00:35:03,038
Speaker 1: their bat. I'm with you on the perspective angle and listen,

697
00:35:03,078 --> 00:35:05,758
Speaker 1: show has always a great perspective, right, I mean, he's

698
00:35:05,838 --> 00:35:08,958
Speaker 1: just a gentleman. He's a pleasure to be around. I

699
00:35:08,998 --> 00:35:11,758
Speaker 1: don't think he needed a wake up call. But yes, see,

700
00:35:11,838 --> 00:35:14,918
Speaker 1: you don't sweat the small stuff. You realize what's important

701
00:35:15,198 --> 00:35:19,278
Speaker 1: and it's outside of beyond your own agenda. It changes you,

702
00:35:19,358 --> 00:35:21,678
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. And not that this guy

703
00:35:21,718 --> 00:35:24,078
Speaker 1: needed to be changed, but in a good way. He

704
00:35:24,158 --> 00:35:27,038
Speaker 1: will be changed. But how about this show? And I

705
00:35:27,038 --> 00:35:30,278
Speaker 1: can almost guarantee you you mentioned a little show, Hey,

706
00:35:30,318 --> 00:35:32,718
Speaker 1: Probably someday, I can almost guarantee you that there will

707
00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:35,758
Speaker 1: be a son born to show Hey and his wife.

708
00:35:36,238 --> 00:35:38,598
Speaker 1: I say that because when he was in high school,

709
00:35:39,278 --> 00:35:44,118
Speaker 1: Ohtani sat down and he spelled out very specific goals

710
00:35:44,118 --> 00:35:46,718
Speaker 1: that he wanted, and not only that, the goals he

711
00:35:46,758 --> 00:35:51,478
Speaker 1: wanted at specific ages. Okay, he wrote down one of

712
00:35:51,518 --> 00:35:54,078
Speaker 1: his goals by the age of eighteen, he wanted to

713
00:35:54,158 --> 00:35:56,678
Speaker 1: join a major League baseball team. That tells you that

714
00:35:56,838 --> 00:35:59,278
Speaker 1: was on his radar for a long time, to see

715
00:35:59,278 --> 00:36:02,358
Speaker 1: if you could make it major league baseball. Obviously he

716
00:36:02,398 --> 00:36:05,238
Speaker 1: did that, maybe not at eighteen, but he has been

717
00:36:05,278 --> 00:36:09,358
Speaker 1: a very successful Major leaguer. By age twenty one, he

718
00:36:09,398 --> 00:36:11,518
Speaker 1: wrote down again, this is a high schooler saying this,

719
00:36:11,558 --> 00:36:14,198
Speaker 1: he wanted to be in a starting rotation and win

720
00:36:14,358 --> 00:36:17,638
Speaker 1: sixteen games. Well he won fifteen, so he got close

721
00:36:17,718 --> 00:36:22,918
Speaker 1: to that. Age twenty six, get married, check that box.

722
00:36:23,438 --> 00:36:27,238
Speaker 1: By age twenty six, win the World Series. He checked

723
00:36:27,238 --> 00:36:29,318
Speaker 1: that box again, these are not exactly at the same

724
00:36:29,358 --> 00:36:32,918
Speaker 1: age age twenty seven, be a member of the Japan

725
00:36:32,998 --> 00:36:38,398
Speaker 1: WBC team and MVP. He checked that box. By age

726
00:36:38,438 --> 00:36:42,638
Speaker 1: thirty one, first daughter is born. Check that box. He's

727
00:36:43,438 --> 00:36:46,398
Speaker 1: turning thirty one this summer. He actually had his first

728
00:36:46,438 --> 00:36:49,558
Speaker 1: son being born by age twenty eight, so that is

729
00:36:49,598 --> 00:36:52,038
Speaker 1: on his bucket list. First son being born at age

730
00:36:52,078 --> 00:36:55,638
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Then at age thirty two, win a second

731
00:36:55,678 --> 00:37:01,158
Speaker 1: World Series, age thirty four, win a third World Series.

732
00:37:01,638 --> 00:37:03,678
Speaker 1: I'm not only give you the partial list. By the way,

733
00:37:03,958 --> 00:37:06,718
Speaker 1: my favorite is by age forty. Yeah, he still wants

734
00:37:06,758 --> 00:37:09,758
Speaker 1: to play till he'st forty. Throw a no hitter in

735
00:37:09,878 --> 00:37:13,758
Speaker 1: my very last game. That's the high school or show.

736
00:37:13,798 --> 00:37:17,678
Speaker 1: Hey Otani essentially scripting his life, and he keeps checking

737
00:37:17,718 --> 00:37:20,838
Speaker 1: off these goals one by one, including the birth of

738
00:37:20,878 --> 00:37:21,318
Speaker 1: his daughter.

739
00:37:21,918 --> 00:37:24,718
Speaker 2: Well that just demonstrates, oh good he is. I mean,

740
00:37:24,998 --> 00:37:27,078
Speaker 2: we talk about it. People are starting to you know,

741
00:37:27,118 --> 00:37:29,998
Speaker 2: figure it out. But like as a manager for him

742
00:37:30,518 --> 00:37:35,158
Speaker 2: watching this stuff from the sidelines, Yeah, I get it.

743
00:37:35,198 --> 00:37:38,678
Speaker 2: I mean, don't you almost have to be that prescient,

744
00:37:38,798 --> 00:37:43,318
Speaker 2: that committed, you know, having these these absolute etchton Stone

745
00:37:43,358 --> 00:37:49,198
Speaker 2: goals attached in order to reach that's some pretty lofty, impressive,

746
00:37:49,518 --> 00:37:52,198
Speaker 2: ambitious stuff. So you you almost have to set your mind.

747
00:37:52,238 --> 00:37:55,478
Speaker 2: You have to set your mind to all that before

748
00:37:55,638 --> 00:37:58,398
Speaker 2: it ever occurs. And on top of that, to be

749
00:37:58,558 --> 00:38:01,518
Speaker 2: that ambitious, you got to be pretty good, and you

750
00:38:01,558 --> 00:38:03,038
Speaker 2: got to know you're that good. I mean, that's we're

751
00:38:03,038 --> 00:38:05,278
Speaker 2: talking major league based. We're not talking about you know,

752
00:38:05,398 --> 00:38:08,238
Speaker 2: legion ball or Little league ball or your high school. Well,

753
00:38:08,238 --> 00:38:11,558
Speaker 2: you're talking about the best of the best. And to

754
00:38:11,598 --> 00:38:16,878
Speaker 2: create that kind of goal list, it's just above and beyond.

755
00:38:16,918 --> 00:38:19,878
Speaker 2: And again it just speaks to he knows how good

756
00:38:19,918 --> 00:38:24,718
Speaker 2: he is. Yeah, he is calm, he express his gratitude,

757
00:38:24,758 --> 00:38:28,358
Speaker 2: he's humble, he's all those different things. But deep down inside, brother,

758
00:38:28,638 --> 00:38:31,238
Speaker 2: he knows, he knows what's going on out there. He

759
00:38:31,318 --> 00:38:33,398
Speaker 2: knows on a day that That's what he used to

760
00:38:33,478 --> 00:38:35,278
Speaker 2: tell me, like he wanted to be in the lineup

761
00:38:35,278 --> 00:38:37,318
Speaker 2: on the day that he pitched because he believed when

762
00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:39,238
Speaker 2: he was in the lineup on the day that he pitched,

763
00:38:39,438 --> 00:38:41,918
Speaker 2: we'd have a better chance to win because he knows

764
00:38:41,958 --> 00:38:44,878
Speaker 2: that his bat would play on those days and help

765
00:38:44,958 --> 00:38:48,358
Speaker 2: the Angels win. He knows that stuff. He doesn't think

766
00:38:48,478 --> 00:38:51,398
Speaker 2: that stuff. He knows that stuff, and again in the

767
00:38:51,438 --> 00:38:54,598
Speaker 2: best possible way that it never comes across in the

768
00:38:54,638 --> 00:38:56,518
Speaker 2: wrong way. You never take him the wrong way, you

769
00:38:56,638 --> 00:39:00,638
Speaker 2: never get upset with the conversation with him. There's a

770
00:39:00,718 --> 00:39:02,798
Speaker 2: kind of a passive aggressiveness about him in a sense

771
00:39:02,878 --> 00:39:06,478
Speaker 2: that he'll I'll never like push on you, and if you,

772
00:39:06,478 --> 00:39:08,638
Speaker 2: you know, have a conversation that you may disagree just

773
00:39:08,678 --> 00:39:11,478
Speaker 2: a little bit, it's kind of like, well, okay, that's fine,

774
00:39:11,518 --> 00:39:13,718
Speaker 2: but I'll show you. I'll prove this to you. And

775
00:39:13,758 --> 00:39:17,758
Speaker 2: he does. So, you know, kudos to him to have

776
00:39:17,798 --> 00:39:21,118
Speaker 2: that kind of not only ability, but the confidence in himself.

777
00:39:21,558 --> 00:39:23,758
Speaker 2: That's you know, you can't get more self confident than that,

778
00:39:24,158 --> 00:39:27,718
Speaker 2: and what a wonderful tool to have. I mean, after all,

779
00:39:29,518 --> 00:39:32,158
Speaker 2: how we successful we are not really a lot of

780
00:39:32,198 --> 00:39:35,798
Speaker 2: times comes down to our self confidence and how we

781
00:39:35,878 --> 00:39:39,038
Speaker 2: don't let it become nick or impacted over you know,

782
00:39:39,078 --> 00:39:42,278
Speaker 2: bumps in the road. So again, none of its surprises.

783
00:39:42,398 --> 00:39:44,638
Speaker 2: I was there, I saw it my own eyes, had

784
00:39:44,678 --> 00:39:49,078
Speaker 2: the conversations nightly. God bless him. Man, it's it's we're

785
00:39:49,078 --> 00:39:51,638
Speaker 2: seeing something that's never been done before. So I really

786
00:39:51,678 --> 00:39:52,838
Speaker 2: enjoy it because I don't know the you're going to

787
00:39:52,878 --> 00:39:54,238
Speaker 2: see it again in a long, long time.

788
00:39:54,718 --> 00:39:57,718
Speaker 1: Yeah. I say this all the time. Joe, He's one

789
00:39:57,758 --> 00:40:02,238
Speaker 1: of the most purposeful players I've ever been around. Everything

790
00:40:02,318 --> 00:40:06,078
Speaker 1: he does is done with purpose, nothing by the seat

791
00:40:06,078 --> 00:40:08,438
Speaker 1: of the pans, And I think what drives him more

792
00:40:08,478 --> 00:40:12,158
Speaker 1: than anything else he wants to be the greatest player

793
00:40:12,558 --> 00:40:17,798
Speaker 1: on the planet. And I truly believe that includes ever,

794
00:40:17,958 --> 00:40:21,398
Speaker 1: like all time, the best ever. But somehow, and you

795
00:40:21,518 --> 00:40:25,998
Speaker 1: hinted at this, Joe, Shohei Otani has a way of

796
00:40:26,398 --> 00:40:30,718
Speaker 1: not coming across as arrogance, right, There's a humility about

797
00:40:30,758 --> 00:40:33,438
Speaker 1: someone who wants to be the greatest player ever. He

798
00:40:33,478 --> 00:40:36,638
Speaker 1: doesn't wear that on his sleeve. He just goes about it.

799
00:40:36,678 --> 00:40:40,798
Speaker 1: And it's the way he does that purposefulness to be

800
00:40:40,878 --> 00:40:43,638
Speaker 1: the greatest player ever. He's not going to say that.

801
00:40:43,718 --> 00:40:46,038
Speaker 1: He's not going to brag about it. He's not going

802
00:40:46,078 --> 00:40:47,918
Speaker 1: to announce it. He's not going to say, look at me.

803
00:40:48,838 --> 00:40:51,558
Speaker 1: Other than just watch me play and that will be

804
00:40:51,638 --> 00:40:54,198
Speaker 1: my statement. But I do think that's what drives him.

805
00:40:54,438 --> 00:40:58,438
Speaker 2: It's refreshing, isn't it. In a world of end zone celebrations,

806
00:40:58,798 --> 00:41:00,598
Speaker 2: in a world where when you come off the field

807
00:41:00,638 --> 00:41:02,838
Speaker 2: after hitting home run you got to put a hat

808
00:41:02,878 --> 00:41:05,278
Speaker 2: on or put a cape on, put something on right now,

809
00:41:05,958 --> 00:41:08,238
Speaker 2: in a world where the game's post you got to

810
00:41:08,238 --> 00:41:11,518
Speaker 2: get drenched after the game in a winning situation, of course,

811
00:41:11,558 --> 00:41:14,438
Speaker 2: but it's refreshing the way he responds to all of this.

812
00:41:15,798 --> 00:41:17,838
Speaker 2: It is the old black and white film where the

813
00:41:17,918 --> 00:41:19,758
Speaker 2: dude hits the home run, he runs around the bases,

814
00:41:20,238 --> 00:41:22,078
Speaker 2: comes in, slaps a couple of hands, shakes a couple

815
00:41:22,078 --> 00:41:24,518
Speaker 2: of hand, sits down, puts his helmets down, and gets

816
00:41:24,558 --> 00:41:27,518
Speaker 2: ready to go out on defense. It's refreshing. Man. I'm sorry,

817
00:41:27,518 --> 00:41:30,678
Speaker 2: but I'm you know, the touchdown celebrations and all that stuff.

818
00:41:30,678 --> 00:41:33,438
Speaker 2: It's a part of what's going on in the world today.

819
00:41:33,478 --> 00:41:36,398
Speaker 2: And I'm you know, listen, this is not an old

820
00:41:36,438 --> 00:41:39,958
Speaker 2: school dude talking right now. I find it what he's

821
00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:44,358
Speaker 2: doing is the more progressive way of doing things in

822
00:41:44,398 --> 00:41:47,918
Speaker 2: today's world, by not being so flamboyant, by not pointing

823
00:41:47,998 --> 00:41:51,478
Speaker 2: fingers at himself by not having to constantly call attention

824
00:41:51,518 --> 00:41:54,278
Speaker 2: to himself via social media whatever. He's just doing it

825
00:41:54,278 --> 00:41:56,158
Speaker 2: by being good at what he does. And this is

826
00:41:56,198 --> 00:41:58,278
Speaker 2: who I am, and this is what I've nurtured myself

827
00:41:58,278 --> 00:42:00,478
Speaker 2: to be for years, and that's why he is so

828
00:42:00,598 --> 00:42:01,358
Speaker 2: darn refreshing.

829
00:42:02,198 --> 00:42:04,758
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was laughing watching the game Tuesday night in

830
00:42:04,838 --> 00:42:06,758
Speaker 1: Chicago at Wrigley Field. I think it was a three

831
00:42:06,798 --> 00:42:09,158
Speaker 1: to one pitch bottom of the strike zone. It was

832
00:42:09,158 --> 00:42:11,038
Speaker 1: slightly out of the zone, but a fifty to fifty

833
00:42:11,078 --> 00:42:14,718
Speaker 1: ball and shoe. He had essentially had dropped his bat,

834
00:42:14,758 --> 00:42:16,718
Speaker 1: took a couple of steps towards first and the umpire

835
00:42:16,798 --> 00:42:20,598
Speaker 1: called strike three. Joey actually you could see him turn

836
00:42:20,638 --> 00:42:22,758
Speaker 1: to the umpire and say, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I

837
00:42:22,798 --> 00:42:25,998
Speaker 1: didn't mean it. He was apologizing to the umpire because

838
00:42:26,278 --> 00:42:27,638
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't want the umpire to think he

839
00:42:27,718 --> 00:42:29,398
Speaker 1: was showing him up. He truly thought it was ball

840
00:42:29,478 --> 00:42:31,918
Speaker 1: four and was on his way, but right away he

841
00:42:31,958 --> 00:42:35,158
Speaker 1: corrected himself and said, I'm sorry. I mean again. This

842
00:42:35,198 --> 00:42:37,598
Speaker 1: is a guy who would you know, even before he

843
00:42:37,638 --> 00:42:39,998
Speaker 1: was in high school, junior high school, he wrote down

844
00:42:40,038 --> 00:42:43,798
Speaker 1: this plan of eighty one different methods of what he

845
00:42:43,838 --> 00:42:45,518
Speaker 1: wanted to do and how you go about it. One

846
00:42:45,558 --> 00:42:49,878
Speaker 1: of them was be respectful to Umpires. I mean, he's

847
00:42:50,038 --> 00:42:52,478
Speaker 1: just he's a role model in a lot of different

848
00:42:52,478 --> 00:42:54,638
Speaker 1: ways other than just being a great ballplayer. And by

849
00:42:54,678 --> 00:42:58,238
Speaker 1: the way, Joe he's he's back throwing bullpens. He hasn't

850
00:42:58,278 --> 00:43:01,718
Speaker 1: broken out any spin yet, so he's not close to

851
00:43:01,798 --> 00:43:04,718
Speaker 1: rejoining the rotation. Clearly, to me, what the Dodgers are

852
00:43:04,758 --> 00:43:07,558
Speaker 1: doing here is they probably think they have fifteen to

853
00:43:07,598 --> 00:43:10,038
Speaker 1: seventeen starts of show hey o Tani this year, and

854
00:43:10,078 --> 00:43:13,198
Speaker 1: they're not going to start that clock until probably late May,

855
00:43:13,278 --> 00:43:16,358
Speaker 1: maybe even June, so that he's available to them to

856
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Speaker 1: start postseason games.

857
00:43:18,198 --> 00:43:19,838
Speaker 2: Oh. I agree, They're going to slow play the crap

858
00:43:19,878 --> 00:43:22,278
Speaker 2: out of this. You know, they know they're in good

859
00:43:22,318 --> 00:43:26,038
Speaker 2: shape they can do something like this, and just trying

860
00:43:26,038 --> 00:43:28,518
Speaker 2: to prevent something that he may break down again in

861
00:43:28,518 --> 00:43:29,998
Speaker 2: the future. I think it's absolutely the right way to

862
00:43:29,998 --> 00:43:31,478
Speaker 2: do it. And again, like we talked about, I would

863
00:43:31,478 --> 00:43:34,798
Speaker 2: work backward. I would work backward and creating a schedule

864
00:43:34,878 --> 00:43:38,958
Speaker 2: from whatever the Game seven of the World Series supposed

865
00:43:38,998 --> 00:43:40,958
Speaker 2: to be, and I would start moving it back from

866
00:43:40,998 --> 00:43:42,638
Speaker 2: there a little latitude because you don't know if you're

867
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Speaker 2: going to get there, and you want to get there

868
00:43:43,958 --> 00:43:46,638
Speaker 2: to begin with. But I was always in a situation

869
00:43:46,798 --> 00:43:48,678
Speaker 2: like this, If there's going to be a finite number

870
00:43:48,678 --> 00:43:51,198
Speaker 2: of times, you really want to utilize them, pitch a stone,

871
00:43:51,198 --> 00:43:54,598
Speaker 2: et cetera. I like to build schedules backwards to be

872
00:43:54,678 --> 00:43:55,438
Speaker 2: on time with it.

873
00:43:55,678 --> 00:43:58,358
Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff. How do you handle show? Hey, there's nobody

874
00:43:58,398 --> 00:44:01,358
Speaker 1: like him, so he does have to keep his arm moving.

875
00:44:01,438 --> 00:44:03,518
Speaker 1: You don't want to shove him down completely. So he's

876
00:44:03,558 --> 00:44:07,958
Speaker 1: just get on the mound going through his progressions. But

877
00:44:08,038 --> 00:44:10,518
Speaker 1: when he starts spinning the baseball, that's when you'll know

878
00:44:10,598 --> 00:44:12,798
Speaker 1: he's getting closer to getting on the mound. So we'll

879
00:44:12,878 --> 00:44:15,958
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that. In the meantime, Joe, we've

880
00:44:15,998 --> 00:44:18,798
Speaker 1: talked about Judge, We've talked about Braves, We've talked about

881
00:44:18,838 --> 00:44:22,078
Speaker 1: tany Kyle Tucker, I'm curious to see where you're going

882
00:44:22,118 --> 00:44:24,318
Speaker 1: to end this episode of the Book of Joe. What

883
00:44:24,318 --> 00:44:25,798
Speaker 1: do you got mined up for today?

884
00:44:26,078 --> 00:44:29,638
Speaker 2: We tiptoed through it a little bit earlier, you know,

885
00:44:29,718 --> 00:44:32,878
Speaker 2: talking about opinions and judgments and all that other kind

886
00:44:32,918 --> 00:44:36,638
Speaker 2: of stuff. I was talking about really enjoying the Scotty

887
00:44:36,678 --> 00:44:39,438
Speaker 2: component of our game. We're talking about Showy and how

888
00:44:39,438 --> 00:44:43,318
Speaker 2: people view him perception wise with Snitch. Just went through

889
00:44:43,638 --> 00:44:46,398
Speaker 2: whouna going on social media and then all of a sudden,

890
00:44:46,558 --> 00:44:49,598
Speaker 2: obviously this is it's good for baseball because it's an

891
00:44:49,718 --> 00:44:53,238
Speaker 2: entertainment industry and you're getting people involved in all these

892
00:44:53,238 --> 00:44:56,078
Speaker 2: opinions are popping up all over the place, and so

893
00:44:56,158 --> 00:44:58,358
Speaker 2: you get all and even in today's world in politics,

894
00:44:58,358 --> 00:45:01,598
Speaker 2: et cetera, and there's a lot of rush to judgment

895
00:45:01,678 --> 00:45:03,918
Speaker 2: kind of things that are occurring. But something I've alway

896
00:45:04,198 --> 00:45:07,038
Speaker 2: live by and I want to believe that I am

897
00:45:07,598 --> 00:45:11,038
Speaker 2: decent at this because really I'm aware of it. And

898
00:45:11,198 --> 00:45:15,998
Speaker 2: I just talked about my inability to really be giving

899
00:45:16,038 --> 00:45:18,598
Speaker 2: you great information on players because I haven't seen them

900
00:45:18,638 --> 00:45:21,798
Speaker 2: with my own eyes, and that's really important to me

901
00:45:21,918 --> 00:45:24,158
Speaker 2: to be able to do that. When I'm asked a

902
00:45:24,398 --> 00:45:29,558
Speaker 2: question or situation, I could utilize other resources, but being

903
00:45:29,598 --> 00:45:31,398
Speaker 2: on the field or seeing these guys or talking to

904
00:45:31,398 --> 00:45:34,758
Speaker 2: these guys is something completely different. So long answer, but

905
00:45:34,838 --> 00:45:38,478
Speaker 2: it comes down to never judge someone by the opinion

906
00:45:38,638 --> 00:45:41,318
Speaker 2: of others. I mean, and that's what we do, and

907
00:45:41,398 --> 00:45:43,278
Speaker 2: I don't like that, and I don't want to be

908
00:45:43,358 --> 00:45:47,198
Speaker 2: that guy. So when it comes down to whatever, And

909
00:45:47,318 --> 00:45:50,798
Speaker 2: judge is such a difficult word to utilize because I

910
00:45:50,838 --> 00:45:53,198
Speaker 2: really like to believe I'm not a very judgmental person.

911
00:45:53,718 --> 00:45:57,238
Speaker 2: But in a situation, like I said, the volatile world

912
00:45:57,238 --> 00:45:59,798
Speaker 2: that we live in, it's easy to rush to judgment.

913
00:45:59,798 --> 00:46:02,438
Speaker 2: It's easy to proclaim somebody guilty. To prove an innocent,

914
00:46:03,718 --> 00:46:07,118
Speaker 2: I that always bothers me. So that's it. Never judge

915
00:46:07,118 --> 00:46:09,998
Speaker 2: someone by the opinion of others. And in regards to

916
00:46:10,158 --> 00:46:13,998
Speaker 2: like a situation that happened with Snit and the Braves,

917
00:46:14,118 --> 00:46:18,718
Speaker 2: whatever that's going on right now, I love this one too,

918
00:46:18,718 --> 00:46:20,558
Speaker 2: and I think they kind of like are related. But

919
00:46:20,638 --> 00:46:23,918
Speaker 2: stay committed in your decisions, but flexible in your approach.

920
00:46:23,958 --> 00:46:25,838
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to like Keell Nick, I mean

921
00:46:25,878 --> 00:46:28,638
Speaker 2: obviously not that guy that you're going to look forward

922
00:46:28,718 --> 00:46:30,678
Speaker 2: to to, to not run hard, to not run through

923
00:46:30,718 --> 00:46:32,598
Speaker 2: the wall, and not play, like Sid said, with your

924
00:46:32,598 --> 00:46:35,278
Speaker 2: hair on fire. So you have to remain flexible in

925
00:46:35,318 --> 00:46:37,878
Speaker 2: your approach. So there's there's all. There's so many things

926
00:46:37,878 --> 00:46:40,398
Speaker 2: that work here. And when people want to become critical

927
00:46:40,478 --> 00:46:44,078
Speaker 2: of major league managers or the game itself, there's there's

928
00:46:44,118 --> 00:46:46,998
Speaker 2: so much nuance and layers involved. We do it every

929
00:46:47,078 --> 00:46:49,758
Speaker 2: day baseball. The line is baseball is life, and it

930
00:46:49,838 --> 00:46:54,118
Speaker 2: really does reflect it in the mirror very very closely.

931
00:46:54,278 --> 00:46:58,238
Speaker 2: So I'm not into judging other people by the opinion

932
00:46:58,278 --> 00:47:01,398
Speaker 2: of others, and always remain flexible in your decision making.

933
00:47:01,438 --> 00:47:03,678
Speaker 2: I mean, you have to have goals and set standards,

934
00:47:03,758 --> 00:47:05,678
Speaker 2: but there's also got to be a certain level of

935
00:47:05,718 --> 00:47:06,798
Speaker 2: flexibility with that too.

936
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Speaker 1: Oh that very well, said Joe. And as you talked

937
00:47:10,718 --> 00:47:13,358
Speaker 1: about that, I thought about what I think of is

938
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Speaker 1: maybe it's just part of my journalistic background. Is a

939
00:47:16,398 --> 00:47:20,598
Speaker 1: source material where your people are have lost the ability

940
00:47:20,718 --> 00:47:24,198
Speaker 1: to really understand and decipher where's is coming from. Like

941
00:47:24,278 --> 00:47:27,518
Speaker 1: you're talking about opinions. Is this based on fact? What

942
00:47:27,678 --> 00:47:29,798
Speaker 1: are the facts? A lot of people didn't point out

943
00:47:29,798 --> 00:47:31,838
Speaker 1: the fact that there's a lead runner on first base

944
00:47:31,878 --> 00:47:35,158
Speaker 1: in front of Jared Kilnick. That changes the dynamic. It's

945
00:47:35,238 --> 00:47:38,958
Speaker 1: different from the Acunya situation. It's also different because Acunya

946
00:47:38,998 --> 00:47:41,198
Speaker 1: had been worn several times before he got to the

947
00:47:41,238 --> 00:47:45,438
Speaker 1: point Sneaker did of having to discipline him. So, you know,

948
00:47:45,998 --> 00:47:48,958
Speaker 1: I still think that it should be courses taught today

949
00:47:49,278 --> 00:47:51,838
Speaker 1: like years ago, there was home economics, there was balancing

950
00:47:51,878 --> 00:47:54,678
Speaker 1: your checkbook. Right, you learn things at school like everyday

951
00:47:54,718 --> 00:47:58,998
Speaker 1: life skills, right, they should teach social media literacy, like

952
00:47:59,118 --> 00:48:04,998
Speaker 1: how to differentiate source material, what's junk and what's actually reliable,

953
00:48:05,518 --> 00:48:09,238
Speaker 1: and people just it disappoints me that people don't use

954
00:48:09,278 --> 00:48:13,198
Speaker 1: that sort of critical thinking to differentiate between where their

955
00:48:13,198 --> 00:48:16,278
Speaker 1: information is coming from and that's what's forming opinions. So

956
00:48:17,078 --> 00:48:19,238
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. It applies to the

957
00:48:19,238 --> 00:48:22,558
Speaker 1: Snicker situation, applies it just about anything. You know, if

958
00:48:22,558 --> 00:48:26,158
Speaker 1: it's not firsthand information from your own eyes, think about

959
00:48:26,198 --> 00:48:28,558
Speaker 1: where the information and opinions are coming from.

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Speaker 2: So just the last point with that, because I've thought

961
00:48:31,238 --> 00:48:34,678
Speaker 2: about this for years, because since social media became prominent

962
00:48:34,718 --> 00:48:37,318
Speaker 2: and I was I had arguments with different people in

963
00:48:37,358 --> 00:48:40,318
Speaker 2: the industry somewhere on board with it. They thought it

964
00:48:40,358 --> 00:48:44,638
Speaker 2: was the democrazation of the society, and I thought that

965
00:48:45,518 --> 00:48:47,358
Speaker 2: on the surface, it may appear to be that, but

966
00:48:47,838 --> 00:48:50,078
Speaker 2: actually what's going to happen is not. And really what

967
00:48:50,118 --> 00:48:53,998
Speaker 2: it comes down to in your profession, you know, media profession,

968
00:48:54,078 --> 00:48:57,038
Speaker 2: whether it's a writer, journalist, whether it's media, television, whatever,

969
00:48:57,478 --> 00:49:00,358
Speaker 2: But right now you have amateurs running the professionals. I

970
00:49:00,438 --> 00:49:03,158
Speaker 2: mean all these things that pop up online, all the

971
00:49:03,198 --> 00:49:06,598
Speaker 2: things with Twitter or Instagram, TikTok, whatever that you have

972
00:49:06,638 --> 00:49:08,398
Speaker 2: to respond to as a professional, and you have to

973
00:49:08,478 --> 00:49:11,238
Speaker 2: chase all this conjecture, like you're talking about, most of

974
00:49:11,238 --> 00:49:13,318
Speaker 2: it is conjecture, none of it's most of it's not

975
00:49:13,438 --> 00:49:15,998
Speaker 2: based on fact, and a lot of it has to

976
00:49:15,998 --> 00:49:19,398
Speaker 2: do with bias in people's opinions that are non vetted.

977
00:49:19,918 --> 00:49:21,638
Speaker 2: And then you have to as a professional, you have

978
00:49:21,678 --> 00:49:24,478
Speaker 2: to chase this and somehow, you know, answer to people

979
00:49:24,718 --> 00:49:29,838
Speaker 2: because clicks and whatever and positive reviews and commentaries is

980
00:49:29,878 --> 00:49:33,278
Speaker 2: so important. So that's what I always was concerned about,

981
00:49:33,318 --> 00:49:38,758
Speaker 2: that this method of communication would cause really outstanding professional

982
00:49:38,798 --> 00:49:41,798
Speaker 2: people who are vetted, who do take their time and

983
00:49:41,878 --> 00:49:45,678
Speaker 2: regarding creating their opinions and where they getting information from,

984
00:49:45,718 --> 00:49:50,038
Speaker 2: are now being forced to search and research stuff that's

985
00:49:50,038 --> 00:49:52,678
Speaker 2: thrown out there by people that have not vetted anything,

986
00:49:52,718 --> 00:49:55,358
Speaker 2: that are just throwing things up against the wall, and

987
00:49:55,478 --> 00:49:58,478
Speaker 2: who knows what their purposes are. So that's my biggest

988
00:49:58,518 --> 00:50:00,998
Speaker 2: concern is now that the amateurs are running the pros

989
00:50:01,038 --> 00:50:04,718
Speaker 2: the professionals, and with that, you're getting a lot of

990
00:50:04,758 --> 00:50:08,838
Speaker 2: this misinformation and a lot of turmoil that's being created.

991
00:50:08,918 --> 00:50:11,958
Speaker 2: And that's the part that bothers me. But I've seen

992
00:50:11,998 --> 00:50:14,158
Speaker 2: it coming since I don't know twenty ten.

993
00:50:14,598 --> 00:50:17,798
Speaker 1: You speak the truth, Joe, always good take on these issues.

994
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Speaker 1: Appreciate good job and we'll see you next time on

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Speaker 1: the Book of.

996
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Speaker 2: Joe YouTube brother Thanks man.

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