WEBVTT - Animal Sexual Fluidity

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome the Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. We

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<v Speaker 1>live in a UH we have in a curious biological world.

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<v Speaker 1>We've profiled a lot of interesting UH specimens on this

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<v Speaker 1>show over the years, and UH today we want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about animal sexual fluidity and general the general fluidity

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<v Speaker 1>of of of sex and gender itself in the animal kingdom. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we can't help but sort of take our human

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<v Speaker 1>nous and just projected onto other organisms out there. So

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<v Speaker 1>when we talk about gender bending, so to speak, in

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<v Speaker 1>the animal world, what are we talking about. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about sharing parental duties. So I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the sea horse. It's not enough to carry up to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred eggs in your marine animal version of a

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<v Speaker 1>baby Bjorn to be considered someone who is gender switching.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are going to talk specifically about animals that

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<v Speaker 1>change their sex and why they do it. And while

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about this, why not talking about the sex

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<v Speaker 1>change chicken? Oh yes, you're talking about Gertie the hen

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<v Speaker 1>who later became Bertie B. E R T. I e

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<v Speaker 1>Bertie instead of Gertie. H. This was the rooster. Yes two.

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<v Speaker 1>This is in two thousand eleven where you had a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of British chicken farmers and they observed a spontaneous

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<v Speaker 1>gender change in their previously egg laying hen Gertie. So

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<v Speaker 1>she began to walk around like a rooster, put on weight,

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<v Speaker 1>developed wattles under her chin, and she also grew dark

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<v Speaker 1>brown plumage and a scarlet cockscomb on top of her head. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and she began to crow. Um. The British couple said

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<v Speaker 1>that at first the crow was terrible, but with practice

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<v Speaker 1>is she actually sounded like a rooster. And according to

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<v Speaker 1>Remy Molina, writing for Live Science, um, what happens with

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<v Speaker 1>birds is that you have to sex organs present during

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<v Speaker 1>the embryonic stages, but once a chicken's female jeans kick in,

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<v Speaker 1>it typically develops only the left ovary. The right go nad,

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<v Speaker 1>which is yet to be defined as an ovary or

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<v Speaker 1>testies or both. It's called the OVI testis remains dormant.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea here is that something like an ovarian

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<v Speaker 1>cyste tumor, or maybe even a diseased adrenal gland caused

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<v Speaker 1>the ovary to shut down and Gertie and then the

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<v Speaker 1>dormant ov testis kicked in and produced androgens, which are

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<v Speaker 1>hormones that are associated with male characteristics, which would have

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<v Speaker 1>led to Gurtie's but then Bertie's physical and behavioral changes.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is more of an example of a loophole

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<v Speaker 1>in sexual dimorphism. Um. But we're really going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about organisms that are intentionally switching this up as

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<v Speaker 1>a survival tactic or even a response to environmental conditions,

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<v Speaker 1>situations where sex switching, yeah, is about the long game

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<v Speaker 1>of survival. Now, there are a couple of types of

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<v Speaker 1>sex switching um. The first is simultaneous hermaphrodites, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have both female and male reproductive parts for their entire life,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can mate with any other member of their

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<v Speaker 1>species they should find we're talking about more like fish

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<v Speaker 1>and gastropods slugs to call back to our our slug

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<v Speaker 1>sex episode. Yes, that make up the bulk of this type.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have a sequential hermaphrodites. And sequential hemaphrodites

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<v Speaker 1>are born as one sex but change completely into the

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<v Speaker 1>other sex during the course of their lives. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely the more engaging for humanized example of sex

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<v Speaker 1>changing because it's one where an animalist is actually transitioning

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<v Speaker 1>from one gender into another and sometimes back again. So

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<v Speaker 1>the question is why doesn't it occur more especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you consider that this kind of strategy would double your

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<v Speaker 1>chances for a Saturday night, so to speak, because you'd have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from these strategies a large number of offspring.

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<v Speaker 1>So Suzanne Alonso, Assistant professor of ecology and evolutionary biology

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<v Speaker 1>at Yale University, says, quote, an intuitive yet rarely studied

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<v Speaker 1>explanation is that the considerable time or energy it takes

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<v Speaker 1>to change sex make hermaphroditeism unfeasible for most animals. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the idea that she went into when she and

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<v Speaker 1>her team created this theoretical model of hermaphrodite and separate

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<v Speaker 1>sex life histories and in their their game that are

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<v Speaker 1>rather the model sex change players I put players in

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<v Speaker 1>quotes vary the age of their sex change, while the

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<v Speaker 1>separate sex strategy responds by altering the number of male

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<v Speaker 1>and female offspring it produced. And they found that a

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<v Speaker 1>hermaphrodite could spend thirty percent of its lifetime in the

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<v Speaker 1>process of changing sex and yet still persistent a population.

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<v Speaker 1>And so would that suggests is that UM only huge

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<v Speaker 1>changes or cost rather UM can disfavor sex change SOT

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<v Speaker 1>is not really enough to be of concern to limit

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<v Speaker 1>that species lifespan. They can still exist while doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>If it were more up to a fifty of their time,

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<v Speaker 1>so many percent of their their time and energy changing

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<v Speaker 1>into another sex, then it might become an issue. And

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<v Speaker 1>so Alonso and the researchers say that just taken a loan,

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<v Speaker 1>that this cannot be the only reason why it's rare

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<v Speaker 1>in nature. And maybe it's more about the environmental conditions

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<v Speaker 1>which are generally more balanced, so you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry so much about there being too many females are

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<v Speaker 1>too many males, Okay, So it's when the environment is

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<v Speaker 1>out of balance that's when something has to change. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And she also said for some species, parental duties might

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<v Speaker 1>affect this as well, so it might be more advantageous

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<v Speaker 1>just to have a separate sex system in place. Okay. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so this leads us to the area of gender performance. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is an obviously a situation where a male is

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<v Speaker 1>not changing into a female, female is not changing into

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<v Speaker 1>a male, but sometimes there is an advantage in pretending

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<v Speaker 1>that you are a member of the opposite gender. One

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful example of this, UH is the occurs with cuttlefish.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have to you have a two tiered system

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<v Speaker 1>of males with cuttlefish. You have a big brash brawlers

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have smaller, stealthy lotharios. And the footage

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<v Speaker 1>of of these encounters between the males, particularly in the

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<v Speaker 1>larger cuttlefish species, not the cute, small ones, the little

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<v Speaker 1>iridescent ones that you see um at so many aquariums

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm talking about, the big cthulu esq ones. They

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<v Speaker 1>get into these big carrying fights with each other, like

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<v Speaker 1>ripping tentacles apart, just really brawling all over the rights

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<v Speaker 1>to the female cuttle fish that are that are sort

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<v Speaker 1>of waiting in the wings there. So on the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of things, this might seem like it would just really

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<v Speaker 1>favor the big, brash brawlers while the stealthy gal gutarios

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<v Speaker 1>would be on the outskirts, right, what are the how

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<v Speaker 1>are they going to get in there? Well, so what

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<v Speaker 1>they do is they use uh the cuttlefish powers of

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<v Speaker 1>shape changing and color changing, particularly by use of their chromatophores, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to look like a female to sort of draw in, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>change their color a bit, and then they can move in.

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<v Speaker 1>They move in closer to the female. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>big the big brawler guy that's over here hanging out,

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<v Speaker 1>he looks over and he's like, oh, that's just another

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<v Speaker 1>female getting close to the female that I want. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>all made with both of them, So I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do anything, right, But meanwhile that the little guy is

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<v Speaker 1>getting closer and closer so that he can breed and

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<v Speaker 1>often does successfully breed with the female cuttlefish. And so

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<v Speaker 1>just clever is this disguise and so so perfect the

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<v Speaker 1>use of their chromatophores. Two thousand twelve study out of

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<v Speaker 1>McQuire University in Sydney, Australia found that males can actually

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<v Speaker 1>split themselves down the middle, appearing to be a male

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<v Speaker 1>on one side of their body and a female on

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<v Speaker 1>the other. So he's floating here between the big brawler

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<v Speaker 1>and the female and the big brawler it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a lady cuttlefish just floating there harmless. But on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side he's flirting and uh and and gaming to

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<v Speaker 1>mate with the female. I like that. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like having your own split billboard. Yeah, indeed, all right, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the female market squid does a similar thing. What she

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<v Speaker 1>does is she flashes a pair of fake testies. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is really interesting because the life of a female

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<v Speaker 1>market squid is not an easy one. You have hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of market squids gathering to reproduce with really

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive behavior from the males, which often causes injuries. And

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<v Speaker 1>female squids they will lay tubes of their eggs on

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<v Speaker 1>the seafloor and that's all good and well, except that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times above them will be a big

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<v Speaker 1>ball of um, sort of breeding ball in the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>going on, and so it's really easy for them to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get sucked back into that breeding ball. And

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<v Speaker 1>again it's very violent. It takes up a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>their energy and their resources. And they have just laid

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<v Speaker 1>these tubes of eggs on the floor. So what do

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<v Speaker 1>they do to try to counteract this, Well, they use

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<v Speaker 1>a little subterfuge. They control the appearance of this white

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<v Speaker 1>stripe down the part of their body that mimics the

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<v Speaker 1>approximate size, color, and position of testies on a male squid.

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<v Speaker 1>So the male sees this and thanks, oh, not female

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<v Speaker 1>leave alone. She gets off scott free. And according to

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Dumar teeny, one of the co authors of us

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<v Speaker 1>study on female market fish, So we've seen the chromatov force, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the chromatov force. Um, this those sort of specialized pigment

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<v Speaker 1>cells and the ability to change coloring, right, but we

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<v Speaker 1>have never seen before, uh, the ability to turn white

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<v Speaker 1>on and off. And this is due to a specialized

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<v Speaker 1>type of cell called ol lucaphour. So she's essentially it's

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<v Speaker 1>like when the taxi sign goes in service out of service,

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<v Speaker 1>we m with, you know, just testies as the stumble.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose all right, well that that brings us to

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<v Speaker 1>the world of garter snakes. Now I want to everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine themselves in Manitoba, Canada for a minute. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>the snow has melted, spring is setting in, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when it pens of thousands of red sided garter snakes

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<v Speaker 1>emerge from their limestone dens and begin to engage in

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<v Speaker 1>great tangled mating rituals. We're talking Roman orgies of serpentine

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<v Speaker 1>sex performed right out in the open, right there on

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<v Speaker 1>the limestone. Yeah, and just big, big yeah, caligula, balls

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<v Speaker 1>of snakes going at it right there in front of

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<v Speaker 1>God and everybody. Afterwards, after all of a sudden done,

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<v Speaker 1>now they end up sliding off into the local marshes

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<v Speaker 1>for the summer, carry about their life, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>return to their dens in early fall. Now, generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>in each of these big clustered balls of snakes, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a female at the center because the males are competing

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<v Speaker 1>for the mating rights there, and that's all that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on in this big tangle. But in some

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<v Speaker 1>cases the males actually mimic females to wind up at

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the heap slide. Yeah. Now you might

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<v Speaker 1>wonder why why would a male snake do that? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think think again about the fact that they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing this. They're having this big snake orgy out in

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<v Speaker 1>the open. So birds of prey are well aware that

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<v Speaker 1>this occurs, because this isn't all you can eat snake buffet.

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<v Speaker 1>Just just come down to you know, talents and beaks,

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<v Speaker 1>blazeon and just eat as much as you want. So

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<v Speaker 1>there is a survival advantage in being at the center

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<v Speaker 1>of that heap, because you're gonna be far harder to

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<v Speaker 1>get to there's far less possibility that these birds of

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<v Speaker 1>prey are going to feed on you. So maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>male snake, he doesn't have an actual shot at reproductive

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<v Speaker 1>success in in a tangle, but he pretends to be

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<v Speaker 1>a female, he can at least get a survival advantage

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<v Speaker 1>and and and get to snake off into the marshes.

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<v Speaker 1>So all plots in nature lead back to boozing buddies.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying, yeah, okay, so we're talking about females

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<v Speaker 1>imitating males imitating females. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was

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<v Speaker 1>in one of Shakespeare's Traumatis, but I don't remember which one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. I'm sure that Shakespeare looked at the African

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<v Speaker 1>bat bug, which is a small, reddish brown parasite that

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<v Speaker 1>feeds off bat blood. Take that bats, and uh probably

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<v Speaker 1>penned a couple of stories based on the um. These

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<v Speaker 1>bat bugs practice something called traumatic insemination. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before. It's when males stab females in the abdomen

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<v Speaker 1>with needle like penises and the inject spurned directly into

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<v Speaker 1>the bloodstream. And uh, yeah right, it's it's pretty it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty violent. It's hard on the females, and it's also

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<v Speaker 1>hard on other males because sometimes males do it to

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<v Speaker 1>other males and so this may be more of a

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<v Speaker 1>combat thing. So to protect themselves, the female bat bug

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<v Speaker 1>developed something called para genitals. We're talking about a funnel

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<v Speaker 1>like genital opening on their body that tricks the male

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<v Speaker 1>bat bug into sticking that, you know, the needle like

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<v Speaker 1>penis into this area that is filled with immune cells.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's really a smart strategy by the female

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<v Speaker 1>batbugs because what it does is it reduces the site

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<v Speaker 1>of injury to this one location and it's guiding the

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<v Speaker 1>pro straight and straight into a bucket of immune cells,

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<v Speaker 1>and that helps to reduce the impact of injury. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>male bat bugs took notice of this, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>where the males who are imitating females comes in and

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<v Speaker 1>created a similar paragenital to redirect attacks on their bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>Except that the para genitals made them look more like females,

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<v Speaker 1>so right, oops. So they adopted a differently shaped funnel

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<v Speaker 1>which is more open and exposed, and that greatly reduced

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<v Speaker 1>to texts. So now you have females noticing that the

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<v Speaker 1>males have done this and made this adaptation, and they

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<v Speaker 1>also adopt the differently shaped funnel and clause. Rerhinehart of

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Sheffled UK, who led us study on

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<v Speaker 1>this um says that both of these female and male

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<v Speaker 1>bat bugs who made these for their adoptions adaptations, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they suffered fewer mating scars than those with standard closed forms.

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<v Speaker 1>So we see just this arms race between the genders

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<v Speaker 1>in these African bat bugs. Right, So then the question becomes,

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<v Speaker 1>so cool, do they just keep creating these these uh

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<v Speaker 1>iterations of para genitalia until they become ridiculous looking? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>until it becomes I mean, I guess there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be a point where the like the wave kind of

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<v Speaker 1>breaks and falls back, right, because at some point, um

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<v Speaker 1>it would it would not be sustainable. So there'd be

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<v Speaker 1>like a level of complexity that it couldn't go beyond. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that brings up the question about what form

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<v Speaker 1>will they ultimately take? Now, another wonderful example of this

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<v Speaker 1>time of pseudo gender is the female spotted heighteninga. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is pretty remarkable because female spotted hyenas

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<v Speaker 1>are the socially dominant, larger and more aggressive of their species,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have a pseudo penis. Now, to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>what they have here is an enlarged delatorus that can

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<v Speaker 1>actually achieve a seven insurrection, as well as a structure

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like a scrotum, a pseudoscurotum that's formed from

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<v Speaker 1>the labbya and uh. This makes them the only female

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<v Speaker 1>mammalian species devoid of an external vaginal opening. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>why we used to we used to think that that

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<v Speaker 1>they might be hemaphrodites, that they're these were either hemaphrodite

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<v Speaker 1>individuals in the species or or that the species itself

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<v Speaker 1>featured hemaphrodites um. Now, on a there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of mysteries that remain about like what purpose this actually

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<v Speaker 1>serves for the for the spotted hyenas. But on a

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<v Speaker 1>biological basis, it's all due to higher levels of the

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<v Speaker 1>hormone androgen in the females, particularly the pack dominant females,

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<v Speaker 1>So it gives them their greater sizes, the greater strength,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also makes reproduction difficult. So this uh, they're

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<v Speaker 1>basically three areas where where where the where we see

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<v Speaker 1>the wages of this first of all creates an awkward

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<v Speaker 1>mounting situation for males and females, but sure that clariss

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<v Speaker 1>is getting in the way. Yeah. In fact, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>point they say that the males like really have to

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to do it. Like there are some species

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<v Speaker 1>they just you know, take to it like a horse

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<v Speaker 1>to water. But with the spotted hyena, the male is

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to get in a little practice before

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<v Speaker 1>we can actually connect um. Also, there's a there's some

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<v Speaker 1>difficult plumbing here when it comes to to the birth

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<v Speaker 1>of the pups because they have to give birth through

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<v Speaker 1>this pseudo penis. So on one level, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a narrow birth canal. It's an inch in diameter and

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<v Speaker 1>the tissue often caress a two pound pup squeezes through,

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<v Speaker 1>and that rip can actually prove fatal, So that means

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<v Speaker 1>there's a higher mortality rate for a first time spotted

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<v Speaker 1>hyena mothers. Additionally, the umbilical cord is a bit on

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<v Speaker 1>the short side compared to the length of the birth tube,

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<v Speaker 1>so the cord often breaks before the cub and merges,

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<v Speaker 1>and this can this can lead to uh to death

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<v Speaker 1>for the for the young cub. In fact, of hyena

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<v Speaker 1>cubs die of suffocation inside the pseudo penis. So another

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<v Speaker 1>example of this that we we've had on this show

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<v Speaker 1>many times, I feel like I need to say and

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<v Speaker 1>come out to the stage again once again and join us.

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<v Speaker 1>Brazilian cave insects um because in the May two thou

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteen edition of Current Biology Yoshizawa Casauro at All,

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<v Speaker 1>they documented their findings from when they dissected four species

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<v Speaker 1>of cave dwelling winged insects from Brazil called Neo Trogola,

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<v Speaker 1>and they realized when they dissected them that the females

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<v Speaker 1>had an internal penis like structure that they likely only

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<v Speaker 1>extended during mating, and the males had a pouch like vagina,

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<v Speaker 1>and so, okay, what are the mechanisms of this well mating,

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<v Speaker 1>the female spiny penis gets tightly anchored to the males

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<v Speaker 1>male vaginas sperm duct, allowing the female to receive the semens. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, the penis function is more like a

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<v Speaker 1>straw than a spout, and if the male tries to

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<v Speaker 1>break away, the abdomen would well rip open and he

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<v Speaker 1>would lose his genitals there um. The female insects also

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<v Speaker 1>mate with multiple males, and they can store two batches

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<v Speaker 1>of sperm in the body, all right. What they think,

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<v Speaker 1>the researchers think is that it could be the environmental

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<v Speaker 1>conditions that have created this sort of penis like structure

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<v Speaker 1>in the female cave insects. That's because there is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of competition among males for fertile females, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the cave environment, food is scarce, and so it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out the female sperm is seen as a nuptial gift

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<v Speaker 1>because not only um can the female cave sy fighter

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<v Speaker 1>transfer this to her eggs, but before she does so,

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<v Speaker 1>she can actually eat some of it and it has

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<v Speaker 1>nutritional value. So you see here that that's why the

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<v Speaker 1>female is taking the role here as the aggressor in

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<v Speaker 1>the reproductive relationship and essentially scooping out that sperm with

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<v Speaker 1>this penis like structure. All right. That brings us to

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<v Speaker 1>the area of gender change outright, ginger change. And we

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<v Speaker 1>see this particularly in three different fish species, which serves

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<v Speaker 1>as wonderful examples, the first of which is the anonymy

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<v Speaker 1>fish a k a. The clown fish, and if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a parent a k a. The nemo fish. Um. These

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<v Speaker 1>are some of the most prominent examples of sequential hermaphrodites.

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<v Speaker 1>UH they live in a mutualistic relationship with a single

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<v Speaker 1>an enemy for most of their lives. Since this, of

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<v Speaker 1>course the uh you know, the small aquatic organism with

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<v Speaker 1>the with the stinging tendrils, right, but the the anemone

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<v Speaker 1>fish are have an immunity to that sting. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful safe place to live. But they're also kind of

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<v Speaker 1>isolationalist here. Okay, So in this anonymy neighborhood, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a sole female UH and the and the largest male,

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<v Speaker 1>and those are the ones doing all the mating. But

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<v Speaker 1>when the female dies, the largest fish in the ananymy

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood becomes a female, and then she begins mating with

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<v Speaker 1>the next male. So you have a huge advantage to reproduction.

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<v Speaker 1>In this UH. You get additional genetic diversity because every

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<v Speaker 1>fish in the immediate environment is a potential mate. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's also particularly good since again as we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a secluded little neighborhood, a secluded environment, they don't stray

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<v Speaker 1>from far from home. So if you need that that diversity,

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<v Speaker 1>if you need a new female, you just make one

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<v Speaker 1>from the population. Another example of this is the parrot fish,

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<v Speaker 1>which is common around around tropical reefs. Throughout the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the adaptations that makes them unique and

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting is that they have pharyngeel teeth which you

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<v Speaker 1>can use to grind up corals, or they used to

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<v Speaker 1>grind up corals. Another thing is that at night they

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<v Speaker 1>surround themselves in this mucus like cocoon to protect them

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<v Speaker 1>while they sleep in The idea is that the cocoon

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<v Speaker 1>could mask their scent in making them harder for nocturnal

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<v Speaker 1>predators like more eels to find. But of course the

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<v Speaker 1>super interesting thing about them um is that they can

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<v Speaker 1>change sex in response to fluctuations in population density. So

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<v Speaker 1>they have two strategies when it comes to this. In

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<v Speaker 1>the first strategy, they're all born female and then later

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<v Speaker 1>they can change sex into males and they can also

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<v Speaker 1>begin life as males. Second strategy known as primary males,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's thought again that this sex change is in

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<v Speaker 1>response to low population density in in one or the

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<v Speaker 1>other of the genders. So in parrot fish populations, the

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<v Speaker 1>large superman males these are large males that were once female,

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<v Speaker 1>are dominant and they claim most of the females and

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<v Speaker 1>the primary males often spawning groups with one female, So

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<v Speaker 1>starting out as a female and then changing sex later

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<v Speaker 1>would be really advantageous. Females don't have any trouble finding

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<v Speaker 1>mates no matter how large they are, while the males

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<v Speaker 1>are much more reproductively successful as larger individuals, so they

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<v Speaker 1>can reproduce as females when they're younger, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>they grow to a large enough size to compete as males,

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<v Speaker 1>they change sex and reproduce as super males. And they

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<v Speaker 1>see a similar situation with hawk fish now hawk fisher

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<v Speaker 1>another tropical corald dwelling fish um and in the while,

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<v Speaker 1>they have been been observed to participate in what we

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<v Speaker 1>call bidirectional sex change. Uh so they're going from female

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<v Speaker 1>to male but then also back again. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>similar situation with the parrot fish. You know, functional females

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<v Speaker 1>changing into males. If a don and it's super mail dies,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can change back. Ah. So they are multidirectional

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to that. Yeah, multidirectional. You can think

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<v Speaker 1>of it in terms of, you know, they there's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's an opening on the staff, this individual can transition

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<v Speaker 1>into that road for into that role for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but then when they're no longer needed there back into

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<v Speaker 1>their previous role. And this kind of this reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>of that whole concept of survival as a whole, as

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<v Speaker 1>a species, right, because it's not just about the individual

0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>fish here, it's looking at the whole population and responding

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<v Speaker 1>accordingly and making sure that yes, we can respond to

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<v Speaker 1>that and change and and um you know, offspring and

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<v Speaker 1>it's corresponding genetic packages can be furthered into the future. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we need a mail to survive. We need

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<v Speaker 1>a female to survive who's going to step up and

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<v Speaker 1>change and then you you have you have a fish

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<v Speaker 1>that comes up and does the job, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>genetic lineage can continue. Now, we wanted to leave off

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<v Speaker 1>this episode with this really cool butter fly that was

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<v Speaker 1>discovered at the Natural History Museum of London in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eleven. It's a Mormon butterfly. It hatched and

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<v Speaker 1>the staff noticed today that the coloring looks a bit

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<v Speaker 1>off on this and uh, they looked closer and they

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that it was almost black on its male side,

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<v Speaker 1>all black, and on the female side it was paler

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<v Speaker 1>and flecked with blue red and tortoiseshell. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>at first they didn't realize that this was half female,

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<v Speaker 1>half male butterfly, because really you only see that in

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<v Speaker 1>circus shows, right, Yeah, I mean there's sex organs were

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<v Speaker 1>essentially welded together. You would think this is like a

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<v Speaker 1>Fiji mermaid kind of a thing, right, what comes to

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<v Speaker 1>you the half half man, half woman butterfly. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they had one antenna was actually smaller than the others.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you say, the reproductive organs refused together. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually something called guy Nan Droom Morphy happens

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<v Speaker 1>from time to time. Yeah, so it serves as kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an interesting symbol. I think of the fluidity of

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<v Speaker 1>of sex and gender that in butterflies, but in just

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<v Speaker 1>any organism, it's not. It's not so so fixed an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't and it's again it's a response to environmental conditions. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's somewhat of a question of energy resources, uh, survival.

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<v Speaker 1>And we wanted to point out too that we have

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<v Speaker 1>an episode called Can Animals Be Gay that explores more

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<v Speaker 1>of the behavior of animals. We didn't. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>make a distinction between what we're talking about today in

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that animals behave in a way that seems gay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm putting that in quotes to us. Yeah, when you

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<v Speaker 1>bring in the human baggage of trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how animals work. So indeed, check out that episode if

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<v Speaker 1>you like. We'll make sure that we linked to that

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<v Speaker 1>what do I hear? During the Power of Polite episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Julie mentioned donating to UNI Stuff is a nice thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do while explaining the off record indirect politeness strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you how happy that made me. Donated

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<v Speaker 1>the unit stuff is a nice thing to do. Hey, Also, restaurants,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there should be a National Pizza Day where you

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<v Speaker 1>give ten percent of your profits to UNI SEF. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can mention our Nepal donate form on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be really grateful. Thanks for all the thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>all the great episodes over the years. That's unis f

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<v Speaker 1>USA dot org slash Nepal. That's you in and I

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<v Speaker 1>c e f u s A dot org slash Nepaul.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Porter and uh yeah, guys, make sure to check

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<v Speaker 1>that out if if that has been on your mind, um,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be a great thing to contribute to. We

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<v Speaker 1>also have a bit of correspondence here from Caroline. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a Facebook message that she sent us. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>I just listened to your episode about politeness, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was so great When you were leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to the most impolite society, I literally shouted Eastern Europeans.

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<v Speaker 1>I laugh because I'm a first generation American whose parents

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<v Speaker 1>are Polish. I spent much of my life in Poland

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States, and I can appreciate the direct

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<v Speaker 1>attitude that Polish people have. It can be very abrasive

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone from outside the culture. If I go to

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<v Speaker 1>Poland for a few weeks at a time, I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>begin to miss the friendliness of Americans. But I know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of my American friends perceived me as very

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<v Speaker 1>direct and poland it's certainly no big deal for someone

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<v Speaker 1>at a bus stop to tell a complete stranger that

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<v Speaker 1>their kid is being too loud? Would that would never

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<v Speaker 1>happen here? And she's right, it wouldn't. I get the

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<v Speaker 1>unique experience of having both personality traits. You did also

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<v Speaker 1>make a great point about familiarity in Eastern European culture.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a stranger, you will be looked at with suspicion,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you are in the inner circle, you are

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<v Speaker 1>among some of the kindest, loving people. We wouldn't greet

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<v Speaker 1>a stranger with kisses, but your closest friends and family

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<v Speaker 1>definitely get three cheek kisses. I love that you totally

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<v Speaker 1>have the nail on the head with this episode. Keep

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<v Speaker 1>up the great work, Caroline. All right, So there you

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