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Speaker 1: Welcome back All Star twenty twenty four Indiana, Indiana, Indneapolis.
Speaker 3: Yep, we here your old stumba grounds and this stops
Speaker 3: knowing sod.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a good day yesterday, some great guests.
Speaker 1: You got a bucket episode. But I'm excited about this
Speaker 1: one because, you know, growing up in northern California, I
Speaker 1: got a chance to see him play from the beginning
Speaker 1: when he got traded to Sacramento. Didn't necessarily want to go,
Speaker 1: but the way he kind of changed the thinking. They're
Speaker 1: and to me, one of the most underappreciated players. I
Speaker 1: think in the history of the game. The greatest man
Speaker 1: can score the ball, and his accolades and how his
Speaker 1: peers respected him though, I think that's what's most important.
Speaker 1: But welcome to the show man, Mitch Rison. Mitch. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you, man, bet you, I mean again. Decorated career,
Speaker 1: six time All Star, five time All NBA. Want to
Speaker 1: ring with the two congratulations in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen nomination. How's life? What's going on with
Speaker 1: you these days? Man?
Speaker 4: Life is good, man, Just trying to stay out of
Speaker 4: the way. You know, we always read it to you everywhere.
Speaker 4: But just enjoying life, man, and join the freedom life.
Speaker 1: Obviously, one of the best scores ever averaged twenty points
Speaker 1: or more of your first ten seasons. Is a very
Speaker 1: short list of people who did that. What was your
Speaker 1: philosophy on scoring?
Speaker 4: I think for me, you know, I just wanted to
Speaker 4: always be aggressive and be consistent.
Speaker 5: So I think I took it on myself.
Speaker 4: I think my first year getting Rookie of the Year
Speaker 4: and going into that summer. You always hear about second
Speaker 4: year Jinx not being prepared the second year and falling off,
Speaker 4: So I think that summer, man, I just worked my
Speaker 4: butt off not to let that happen. And then it
Speaker 4: just became a habit to try to add something because
Speaker 4: when I first came into the league, I wasn't a shooter,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: I was that's hard to believe, Yeah, I was. I
Speaker 4: was attacking the realm and people didn't know I was.
Speaker 4: I was a dunker, yeah, And so I posted up
Speaker 4: a lot. I was a slasher, and then you know,
Speaker 4: I just started working on my three point shot. And
Speaker 4: start working on my outside game, and that's kind of
Speaker 4: helped me throughout my career.
Speaker 1: But also, I mean, as much as you scored, you
Speaker 1: play defense too. Yes, that was something you definitely hung
Speaker 1: your hat on. Get a credit. No you didn't, but
Speaker 1: you got you got praised by by one of the
Speaker 1: greatest you know, Michael Jordan quoted Mitch is the closest
Speaker 1: thing I've watched to myself in the mirror, and that
Speaker 1: was on both ends of the ball, right, And that
Speaker 1: was back when when guys went on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. So when you hear arguably Michael Jordan, the
Speaker 1: greatest players have ever said when like I said, although
Speaker 1: I feel like you've been overlooked. The people you played
Speaker 1: against it and people who know the game respect you.
Speaker 1: But when you hear some someone like Mike say that
Speaker 1: about you, what did you think?
Speaker 5: Oh man, it was very special.
Speaker 4: They're very special to even hear from my peers because
Speaker 4: I was in Sacramento at the time and it wasn't
Speaker 4: getting a lot of play, and anybody on the East coast,
Speaker 4: you know, our games was coming on at eleven twelve
Speaker 4: o'clock and they couldn't really see it, and they wasn't
Speaker 4: playing Sacramento at the time anyway, and so it was
Speaker 4: very difficult for me to come from gold to State
Speaker 4: that we were probably two or three players away, I
Speaker 4: mean probably one player away, and then going to Sacramento rebuilding.
Speaker 4: So it was it was really hard to handle that trade.
Speaker 4: But I just tried to be consistent as possible. Didn't
Speaker 4: look at the scoreboard. I remember that I had to
Speaker 4: continue to keep playing hard, and the only way I
Speaker 4: can do that it just don't look at the scoreboard,
Speaker 4: because we wasn't winning no games at that time.
Speaker 5: So I just wanted to try to play hard.
Speaker 3: Do you remember one time in practicing Goldos State? It
Speaker 3: was there was practicing and shooting or something. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you gave me a key to average twenty. Yes, you
Speaker 3: made it simplified. I mes, like stack just about five
Speaker 3: points a quarter? Yes, just get five a quarter, that's right.
Speaker 3: And you know, and I'm playing basketball all the time,
Speaker 3: and I never just thought about like how easy it
Speaker 3: is to get five points a quarter, right, two buckets
Speaker 3: in the free throw that's right. But you put me
Speaker 3: to like jack five points a quarters. All you do,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get five points a quarter. But ever since then,
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's simplified. I'm in a game like good,
Speaker 3: twenty points, ain't nothing no.
Speaker 4: More, right, right, Especially you got the ball in your hands,
Speaker 4: and if you can get to the free throw line,
Speaker 4: it really sometimes when you're you know, you're not having
Speaker 4: a great shoot night, but sometimes we get to the
Speaker 4: free throw line, it really kind of gets you back
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 1: Cruse and you can get ten from thee.
Speaker 4: Ten of TIMPs from the line. And so I think
Speaker 4: that was a big part of my game of doing nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, raised by your mom and grandpa.
Speaker 3: You played football growing up in for a lot of deal, right,
Speaker 3: just said you grew up with Michael Irvings and other guys.
Speaker 1: What was it like growing up in for a lot
Speaker 1: of deal?
Speaker 3: I'm playing football being such a cold, cold motherfucking basketball.
Speaker 4: Well, I you know in foot in Florida, man, you
Speaker 4: grow up, you know, in my crib I had I
Speaker 4: had a football in my crib.
Speaker 5: Everybody, I mean everybody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And and and started playing football, and football was my
Speaker 4: number one sport. I just started playing basketball or to
Speaker 4: the tenth grade, really, yeah, to the tenth grade and
Speaker 4: went out for the team were ninth grade. I went
Speaker 4: out for the team and I ain't have no grades
Speaker 4: at that time, you know what I mean, because I
Speaker 4: was rebelling.
Speaker 5: My mom was moving and everything.
Speaker 4: But went out for the tenth grade, made the team,
Speaker 4: and the rest was history.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 4: Never went back to football and enjored it and just
Speaker 4: kept climbing from there.
Speaker 1: Who was around I mean, you mentioned Michael Irving. Any
Speaker 1: other people that went pro and other sports? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it was Lorenzo White, Yeah, who played from
Speaker 4: Michigan State and then went to Houston. I think at
Speaker 4: the time, Houston Oilers. We had Bennie and Brian Blades,
Speaker 4: both brothers. You know, Vernon Maxwell was around Brown at
Speaker 4: that time. Dion was a little bit more up north,
Speaker 4: but he was there, Gary Sheffield all the flow. It
Speaker 4: was all Florida.
Speaker 1: Boy. What was it you played?
Speaker 5: I played defensive endy tight end.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so we're just talking about grades. You didn't
Speaker 3: love school, but it had to click at some point?
Speaker 3: When did it click?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I loved school, but I was rebelling because my mom
Speaker 4: kept moving and I wanted to, you know, go back
Speaker 4: where my friends were when they were getting ready to
Speaker 4: go to high school. So I was like, man, I
Speaker 4: ain't gonna go to school because I want to go
Speaker 4: back over that way. And so it took me probably
Speaker 4: a couple of years to kind of get that under
Speaker 4: my belt. But my mom moved back to Fort Lauderdale
Speaker 4: because I moved to Deerfield at the time, where Eddie
Speaker 4: Jones and you know all them from, and so I
Speaker 4: moved back to Fort Lauderdale. That's when I started saying, man,
Speaker 4: I went out for the basketball team, made the team
Speaker 4: my ninth grade year, but they cut me. So I said,
Speaker 4: you know, mom, I really want to play basketball now,
Speaker 4: but I need to go back to Florida and I'll
Speaker 4: show you if I can good good grades, and I'll
Speaker 4: show you that I can change. And I mean I
Speaker 4: had to go to night school, day school, vocational school,
Speaker 4: everything to get prepared for my tenth grade year.
Speaker 3: You know, Jaylen Bronston said something yesterday about how moving
Speaker 3: around and bouncing around a lot with his dad.
Speaker 4: Yes to thank him too, you know, no question about it,
Speaker 4: because you you know, you grow up with that unit,
Speaker 4: and when you're a young kid, you go into a
Speaker 4: whole nother environment.
Speaker 5: You have to really kind of start get.
Speaker 1: Friends friends are and we all know that.
Speaker 4: Now when you have kids, at some point in time,
Speaker 4: when they get to a certain age, you gotta star.
Speaker 4: You got to slow up and then let them, you know,
Speaker 4: gather their friends or whatever and get comfortable.
Speaker 1: My life.
Speaker 3: We all have a certain music, a soundtrack in our
Speaker 3: head is like the soundtrack of our life.
Speaker 4: Yes, you are big into R and B. Yes, what
Speaker 4: what role the music play in your life? I mean
Speaker 4: I think it plays a big role, man. I mean
Speaker 4: just growing up with run DMC, you know, watching them
Speaker 4: and Jada kids. You know it's a little younger but
Speaker 4: great music, cool mode. Yeah, come on, man, like l
Speaker 4: L classic. So I mean that that. I mean music
Speaker 4: gets you fired up and pomp uh and so you
Speaker 4: know you use it for different things.
Speaker 1: You know, it's great at the Mobiley Community College.
Speaker 3: What kind of experience was that to shape you into
Speaker 3: the player you you end up being.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, So in high school I played the center
Speaker 4: and for a position, and so I've been playing right right,
Speaker 4: So I was posting up. That's all I was doing
Speaker 4: at that time. I was just dunking and just playing hard.
Speaker 4: Coming from football to basketball, I felt like it really
Speaker 4: helped me because I was aggressive and really didn't have
Speaker 4: all my skills at the time, but I knew how
Speaker 4: to play hard and UH and so when I went
Speaker 4: to went to Mobiley, I really had to start playing
Speaker 4: the two guard position.
Speaker 5: I can remember University of Arkansas was recruiting me.
Speaker 4: That's when they had Avan Robinson, Big Joe Clyde and
Speaker 4: they were playing Houston, and I loved Houston team with
Speaker 4: Elijah One and all those guys. So I went to
Speaker 4: the went to the game on my recruiting trip, and
Speaker 4: I wanted to get to the game earlier to see,
Speaker 4: you know, the lodge one of them in the dunk,
Speaker 4: because that's like a pro dunk. They was dunking in
Speaker 4: the warmup lives. And so when I saw large One
Speaker 4: come out and I'm playing the four position at high school,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not ready, man, I'm not ready. I'm not ready.
Speaker 4: And so I ended up going to UH Mobiley and
Speaker 4: working every summer. I didn't go back home, and I
Speaker 4: had to start working on my outside skills, my card skills,
Speaker 4: and so it took me a while because I had
Speaker 4: to change my shot. I used to shoot on the side.
Speaker 4: My coach was making me shoot with the ball at
Speaker 4: my forehead. So it took me about a good two
Speaker 4: years to develop that and then it worked.
Speaker 1: Out, working out. Yeah, and then off to k State. Yep,
Speaker 1: what was that experience? Like, I really didn't want to
Speaker 1: go to k State, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But my coach at the time was Dana Auburn who
Speaker 4: coaches Oregon, and he wanted to get out of out
Speaker 4: of a junior college Kansas stayed at the time. Was
Speaker 4: offered him an assistant job, and he convinced me Picker's deal. Yea,
Speaker 4: you know, the go to k State at that time.
Speaker 4: My mom loved him and he took you know, he
Speaker 4: made sure that I was doing my books and doing
Speaker 4: everything when I was in junior college. So and long
Speaker 4: Cruge at the time was getting the job at Kansas State,
Speaker 4: and so he said, I build the whole team around
Speaker 4: you because you're coming from JUCO.
Speaker 5: You know, you're going to some other system.
Speaker 4: They already have players there, So you come here, I
Speaker 4: build the whole team around you. And uh yeah, I
Speaker 4: went there and then yeah, man, everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it worked out, worked out, worked out a.
Speaker 1: Lot of talent before in that JUCO circuit, though Larry
Speaker 1: Johnson was in there.
Speaker 4: Yes, you remember, yep, John scheunk Kill was a little
Speaker 4: later than me. But they remember how they had Bou
Speaker 4: Harvey St.
Speaker 1: John's.
Speaker 5: They had some players that are Ricky Grace at that time.
Speaker 4: But yeah, uh now you have what the prep prep
Speaker 4: school at the time, everybody was going JUCO, so Juco,
Speaker 4: Harvey Grant was in there as well. So Juco was loaded, man,
Speaker 4: I mean every night was loaded.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had my team.
Speaker 4: I mean we went I think we went sixty nine
Speaker 4: and eight my two years there, and I mean we
Speaker 4: had my I averaged eleven points, my ten points my
Speaker 4: first year, sixteen points my second year. It was a development,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But we had seven guys
Speaker 4: and double figures. So we had a crew. Our leading
Speaker 4: scorer was averaging like thirteen points, so everyone so everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we had had a guy by the name of what
Speaker 4: was his name, but he played at Missouri. He was
Speaker 4: the rookie of the year Missouri. He flunked out. He
Speaker 4: was coming to the Juco. He was six ' eight
Speaker 4: point guard and our team was so loaded he came
Speaker 4: off the bench.
Speaker 5: Really, so we had we.
Speaker 1: Had a lot of people went to JUCO. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people made a lot of people that
Speaker 1: was a heavy route early off nineteen eighty eight the Olympics,
Speaker 1: the last time it was all college players. What was
Speaker 1: that experience like for you?
Speaker 4: It was great to get on the Olympic team. I
Speaker 4: think the experience we could have definitely played a little better.
Speaker 4: I think we didn't use our talents as we should have.
Speaker 4: You know, at that time, John John Thompson was a boy.
Speaker 4: He was he was busting our balls. But really he
Speaker 4: had us working so hard.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: We didn't really work on shooting because you've ever seen
Speaker 4: his team.
Speaker 5: They were all about defense. But we had we had
Speaker 5: a young team.
Speaker 4: But at that time the European team had caught up
Speaker 4: and they they had Sharonus, Marcellonis, they had Sabonis, they
Speaker 4: had uh Diva. All of those guys they've been playing
Speaker 4: together for about eight eight nine years. We had got
Speaker 4: together for a couple of months and they were grown
Speaker 4: men at that time. Uh and so yeah, we lost
Speaker 4: the Olympics in eighty eight. That's when they switched it
Speaker 4: over and made it start playing pros.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about Sabonis because a lot of people don't.
Speaker 1: We got the older vote version of.
Speaker 4: The Greatest oh my god, bro I mean he could pass,
Speaker 4: he was unbelievable, had a hook shot, had I mean
Speaker 4: he throw passes behind his back and at that time
Speaker 4: he could run a little bit. But the head was
Speaker 4: about this big I mean everybody, I mean everything, everything,
Speaker 4: the same thing, everything and bigger and bigger, and you
Speaker 4: couldn't get around him. He was like shot, yeah, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, with all of the skills, he
Speaker 4: had everything. Man, he was a good player. He specially
Speaker 4: he was a good player.
Speaker 1: But you got I mean, obviously John Thompson coached that team.
Speaker 1: You had David Robinson, Hersey Hawkins, Dan Marley, Bimbo Coles,
Speaker 1: the name a few, any any any cool off the
Speaker 1: court experience of just being in the Olympic experience.
Speaker 5: Man, we had some great experience.
Speaker 4: I can remember a time where we were having Yeah,
Speaker 4: we were playing Egypt, I think, and we had beat
Speaker 4: Egypt by I think sixty two points. And uh, we
Speaker 4: come in the locker room and we're high five and
Speaker 4: we're having a good time and John Thompson consent that said,
Speaker 4: can I.
Speaker 1: Cuss on him? Shit? Y'all ass down?
Speaker 5: They all did him do ship your practice ship and
Speaker 5: we're going to practice.
Speaker 1: After the game, after the game, like, oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And it was kind of that Bobby Knight. You know
Speaker 4: that that Bobby Knight did that as well. Where he
Speaker 4: were you know, after games he would make you go
Speaker 4: go to practice and were like, man, come on, man,
Speaker 4: we want to enjoy the festivities.
Speaker 1: But we know he wasn't having that at all.
Speaker 5: We went to practice. Wow, running, I mean running running.
Speaker 4: We would do this thing called we do things called pyramids,
Speaker 4: so where you were run one time down, yes, all
Speaker 4: the way up to twelve and come back. But John
Speaker 4: thing was you cannot grab your shorts, can't bend down,
Speaker 4: can't go and you know, hold onto the wall, onto
Speaker 4: the backboard.
Speaker 5: If he sees that, we start over. And so j R.
Speaker 4: Reed make us start made us start over a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he made us start over, no question about it.
Speaker 1: Uh. Dream Team too, obviously dream Team one when did
Speaker 1: their thing? You were part of Dream Team two in Atlanta?
Speaker 1: What was it Atlanta? Like First and Foremost? But there
Speaker 1: was also a bombing at the Oalympics.
Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, yeah, that was I think it was.
Speaker 4: It was a great time because I never thought I'd
Speaker 4: be able to have an opportunity to get back because
Speaker 4: I was on the last team in eighty eight to
Speaker 4: lose it. So seeing David Robinson and some of the
Speaker 4: guys that played with me get an opportunity to get
Speaker 4: back to the Olympics. Man, I never thought I'd get
Speaker 4: an opportunity, but it was playing so well and they
Speaker 4: called me, uh to be on the team.
Speaker 5: It was great to be in Atlanta because.
Speaker 4: My family have family in Atlanta, all my families and
Speaker 4: from Florida, so there it was a great opportunity for
Speaker 4: them to come and see me and be right there
Speaker 4: in the States. The truck, yeah right, the Olympics. Man,
Speaker 4: all my friends and family you know, came now. But
Speaker 4: the bombing was was was definitely scary. I can remember
Speaker 4: being in a hotel hotel shaking and going out to
Speaker 4: the to the balcony and seeing the smoke and people
Speaker 4: running everywhere.
Speaker 5: So it was really really scary moment.
Speaker 4: We didn't know what was going on, but we grat
Speaker 4: we gathered and gathered together, got together and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: the police said everyone kind of protected us and made
Speaker 4: sure that.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously a lot of hype about the Dream
Speaker 1: Team and it's just due, but you guys, have you
Speaker 1: g Hill, Shaq, Reggie Miller, Penny Stockton, Malone, y'all was
Speaker 1: loaded too. We were loaded. Talked us about that team,
Speaker 1: and obviously we saw what you guys did on off
Speaker 1: the court. But a lot of people who don't get
Speaker 1: a chance to play this game. Some of the funnest
Speaker 1: times are off the court, on the bus, in the locker,
Speaker 1: the ship, talking the playing flights.
Speaker 5: But we had so much fun. I mean, we had
Speaker 5: a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: And back then, now if they if they had cameras
Speaker 4: back then, I mean, shit, all bad.
Speaker 5: Man Charles Brockert have been in jail. I can remember
Speaker 5: we were.
Speaker 4: We went out somewhere and Charles, he was always a
Speaker 4: friendly guy, you know, you know, he'll he'll talk to anybody.
Speaker 4: But then when you disrespected, you know, and that guy
Speaker 4: had a little too drunk, and uh and Charles, Charles, Charles.
Speaker 1: Hit him a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know, we got we got the practice next day
Speaker 4: because we went out and all of a sudden we
Speaker 4: see the police coming in and uh, you know, coach
Speaker 4: sat us down.
Speaker 1: And who was the coach of that team.
Speaker 5: It was Lady Wilkins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he sat us down and in the poet
Speaker 4: I can remember the police saying that, hey, like, listen,
Speaker 4: you guys got to watch yourself.
Speaker 5: You know, you got to be able to walk away.
Speaker 4: And I remember Charles said, well, y'all gonna be right
Speaker 4: back here tomorrow because if somebody get in my face,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hit him again, I'm gonna hit him again,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna keep doing it. But yeah, that was
Speaker 4: that was a really a fun team, though, really good team.
Speaker 1: Fifth pick in the ninety eight draft.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, nineteen ninety eighty eight drafts, Gill And you
Speaker 3: were told by somebody.
Speaker 1: We know very well, who I love dearly.
Speaker 3: Who means the world to me. You were told by him,
Speaker 3: and let me know what you was thinking after he
Speaker 3: told you this. Yo, Man, you terrible. You need a
Speaker 3: lot of work. Oh man, Nelly done, Nelson. I can't
Speaker 3: remember coming from the Olympics. Uh you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I want to get ready and get prepared to play
Speaker 4: for the for the season, because you know, the Olympics we
Speaker 4: lost were like man, we were we thought that.
Speaker 5: They were going to shoot the player down.
Speaker 1: Man. We had lost the game.
Speaker 4: So I go into Golden State and I didn't have
Speaker 4: I didn't sign my contract, so I said, I go
Speaker 4: over there, just go to Golden State.
Speaker 5: And they're running, they're running some games.
Speaker 4: And so I got off the plane from China from Soul, Korea,
Speaker 4: I mean tired, but I said, man, I'm gonna going Hoop.
Speaker 5: Went over there and Hoop.
Speaker 4: And he was there, and I guess I played terror
Speaker 4: and he was like, boy, you need a lot of work, man,
Speaker 4: you Terror. I'm like what you talk about. I got
Speaker 4: back on the plane and left. I'm like, man, I
Speaker 4: ain't signed my contract. Yeah, I'm just trying to come in,
Speaker 4: you know, and get ready. But yeah, but but but Nelly.
Speaker 5: Was like that, you know that Nellie was a straight
Speaker 5: shooting but crazy believe that.
Speaker 4: Oh he believed me because he coached me. U back then,
Speaker 4: we used to have Orlando Classic. No, they was yell
Speaker 4: the summ League. Yeah, right before the right before the draft.
Speaker 4: And it should get back to that where it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter if you're a number one or you're number sixty.
Speaker 5: Everybody played against each yeam.
Speaker 4: So if you were ranked number one and two guard,
Speaker 4: you play against the ten god that's ranked and you battle.
Speaker 4: And so Nelly was my coach at the time, never
Speaker 4: said anything to me, never know that I was going
Speaker 4: to go to Golden State. You know, we would just talk,
Speaker 4: but he wouldn't. I never knew he was gonna draft me.
Speaker 4: But at that time, they would have a car. I mean,
Speaker 4: NBA coaches coached the summer league and so get a
Speaker 4: feel of the guys and uh, and then you go
Speaker 4: into the draft and so yeah, he drafted me there.
Speaker 1: But Nelly was hub down a cookie. I mean I was.
Speaker 1: I think at that time I was.
Speaker 4: Supposed to be ranked like going in the draft like
Speaker 4: twenty two. And after that, after that came out, they
Speaker 4: say I'll be top five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was your early impression of the
Speaker 1: time when you got that open? Oh? Man, man, I
Speaker 1: love Oakley bro you know, hitting it, I feel it's different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's different now. But Oakland was a great city, man,
Speaker 4: and they embraced that team. And you guys know that's
Speaker 4: not that's probably one of the funniest places to play.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: They don't boo you, you know, they get you up, support,
Speaker 4: they support you, and that's a lot of teams don't do.
Speaker 4: That's them in Sacramento as well. But man, we had
Speaker 4: some great times and at that time, San Francisco was fun. Uh,
Speaker 4: to hang out and do that, and you know we
Speaker 4: got a history together, yes, and so yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: Oakland was great for me.
Speaker 3: Did it bother you when they started abandoning in Oakland
Speaker 3: from professional sports?
Speaker 1: Man? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because you know even you know they have it over
Speaker 4: in San Francisco, but you missed.
Speaker 1: It's not the same.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not the same. Right there, he is right there.
Speaker 5: And and they really took care of you if you
Speaker 5: played on that team.
Speaker 1: Took care of you, man, love you.
Speaker 4: Theywhere San Francisco, I mean San Jose all the way
Speaker 4: down Hayward and you know, they really supported the team,
Speaker 4: and so they had a big Latino following. Man, that
Speaker 4: man just just really kind of took care of the
Speaker 4: team and everything.
Speaker 1: But I've seen yeah, I've never seen a major city
Speaker 1: lose all of their sports.
Speaker 5: It's everything.
Speaker 1: Sad to go there now, Yeah, it's really sad. You
Speaker 1: peel round.
Speaker 3: That's the first thing you did with you when you
Speaker 3: got your bread NBA read. I can remember my first check.
Speaker 3: I put it on my refrigerator.
Speaker 1: How much was if you don't mind to sell, it's.
Speaker 4: About thirty thous yeah, you know, and it was my
Speaker 4: first check and it stayed there for a minute until
Speaker 4: what my boys said, Man, are you gonna put that?
Speaker 1: Man? Just gonna look at it? Just look at it, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And my first thing I did, I bought my
Speaker 4: mom's house. And then I waited probably another year OUTI
Speaker 4: I got me something. Another two years, I got me
Speaker 4: something about after my third year. Then I got me something.
Speaker 4: But I got my apartment that time. Man, I was
Speaker 4: living in the hotel at Uh.
Speaker 1: What is that Mary right there with the practice? What's that? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is now, just like the
Speaker 1: sweets now.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I stayed there for about six months, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, until they said, man, can.
Speaker 5: You go and get you a spot?
Speaker 4: Took their mom first, took their mom's first, stayed there,
Speaker 4: and I was just hooping.
Speaker 1: Man, it was just going to do. Just enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: Just in Jordan.
Speaker 3: Most most guys, even some of the top players, they
Speaker 3: have rookie struggles and they don't come in and get
Speaker 3: straight to averaging big numbers.
Speaker 1: Your rookie year twenty two a game? What was that?
Speaker 1: What was that feeling? Like Nelly? Man?
Speaker 4: I mean the way he played, in the style he played,
Speaker 4: he gave me an opportunity. Uh, to really kind of
Speaker 4: showcase my child and my talents. And he just let
Speaker 4: me go and we played just like you're saying, how
Speaker 4: they play now. We played a motion offense, and at
Speaker 4: times he would come in the locker room and say, listen,
Speaker 4: we're not gonna run any plays unless you guys don't play,
Speaker 4: play amongst each other and pass the ball. He said,
Speaker 4: I'm only gonna call plays because but we were it
Speaker 4: was it was still a set offense, but it was
Speaker 4: a motion offense, and so he said he we were
Speaker 4: practiced at for days, man, and at that time we had,
Speaker 4: you know, thirty days straight of tour days.
Speaker 1: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: So we would because we knew we were gonna play
Speaker 4: Denver and dinner in the altitude, you had to be
Speaker 4: ready and they run like this, so he would, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, he would get us prepared, man, and we
Speaker 4: played emotion and we had Chris and Tim came a
Speaker 4: little later, but we shared the ball. And that was
Speaker 4: my pretty much my favorite favorite team that I played with.
Speaker 4: It was kind of like you guys, yes, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. It was that that we believe team
Speaker 4: you know, identical, identical. Man, you guys got along. That's
Speaker 4: why we went and got you guys, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. That's why we went and got you guys,
Speaker 4: you know, And I got a good story about well,
Speaker 4: at the time, we had no knock on the other players.
Speaker 4: But we had Don Levy and Troy Murphy. We had
Speaker 4: fine players, but we didn't have we didn't have that,
Speaker 4: didn't have that. He came, he came doing that, and
Speaker 4: we didn't have that toughness at the time.
Speaker 1: And and you know, you have some trouble over there
Speaker 1: in Indiana here right right here where we are, not
Speaker 1: too far from here.
Speaker 4: You know, you had you had some trouble in Indiana,
Speaker 4: And it was a perfect time. And I was working
Speaker 4: in the front office at the time, a special assistant
Speaker 4: to Chris Mother. And uh, it was a great opportunity
Speaker 4: for us to really kind of go after you.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 4: We were going to get you and out our our
Speaker 4: heretage and uh, and we needed toughness, man. We felt
Speaker 4: like we had a lot of talent, but nobody was
Speaker 4: scared of us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And so when you had your situation, man, we pursued
Speaker 5: you right away.
Speaker 1: You know, he carry, let's go get him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we said, we pursued it right away. I said,
Speaker 4: sometimes you know you need another chain of seeler. Yes
Speaker 4: and what I need and no question.
Speaker 5: And then when you came to Oakland, the city embraced you.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You felt at home, man, You felt at home. The
Speaker 4: city embraced you. We felt like we had a three
Speaker 4: headed monster at that time because we had Baron that was,
Speaker 4: you know, trying to get healthy. We had mante Ellis
Speaker 4: coming Guarantee twenty, Guaranteed twenty. We had you as well,
Speaker 4: and we we we grabbed Matt and Matt h coach
Speaker 4: loved you because we had Rod Higgins years before that
Speaker 4: kind of played the four positions that can pull the
Speaker 4: defense out. He remember when you got there, he was like,
Speaker 4: shoot threes. I want you to shoot. That's all you
Speaker 4: were doing in practice degree.
Speaker 1: But before that happened, so I wasn't even I got
Speaker 1: I wasn't late invite to camp. That is, fresh out
Speaker 1: of getting traded to Philly with Web and not playing.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I'm thinking about going to
Speaker 1: try to play football. And I remember Baron called me,
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, we got to open gym today. Come down.
Speaker 1: I'm at the Crib and Sacramento. So I drive down
Speaker 1: two hours and similar to like you said, Nelly was
Speaker 1: upstairs watching YEP, and I played well and he came down.
Speaker 1: He's like, where are you going to camp sun and
Speaker 1: put his arm around me. I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You have coach. He's like, well, if you played the
Speaker 1: way you played today, I can't promise, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you a chance. He's like, we have a full
Speaker 1: roster and we have all of our camp invites, but
Speaker 1: if you come and do what you did today, I'll
Speaker 1: give you a chance. I'm like, shit. So I went
Speaker 1: from the last person invited, like I wasn't even invited,
Speaker 1: last person to get in there, beat everyone out. And
Speaker 1: for what I heard that I was playing well enough
Speaker 1: that you felt like you can get rid of and
Speaker 1: Troy and go get some That's what we did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what we did because you, yeah, you
Speaker 4: wasn't even on the rosters we had to make.
Speaker 5: We had to make room for him. But I tell
Speaker 5: you a good story where we were playing Houston when
Speaker 5: that we believe team and Jacket was your birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a red party.
Speaker 5: You had a red party, and so we uh. So
Speaker 5: we win the game, remember everybody, god and so we
Speaker 5: uh we played the game, had a good game.
Speaker 4: So now, me, Nelly, Chris were all sitting in the
Speaker 4: lobby right after the game. We have a good time.
Speaker 4: We sitting in the lobby having to drake. All of
Speaker 4: a sudden, we looked towards the elevator, you and the whole.
Speaker 5: Team already all read coming out.
Speaker 3: We're like, oh god, no, god, nore ain't going where
Speaker 3: they're going. Man, it's eleven thirty.
Speaker 1: What ain't going?
Speaker 4: So you come over, everybody come over. You know, that
Speaker 4: team was so well. It was together.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: We all felt like a family. But I can remember
Speaker 5: you coming over and we were like, yeah, man, it's
Speaker 5: my birthday. Man, I'm taking all the guys out. Man,
Speaker 5: we're going for my birthday. We're like, okay, okay, cool man,
Speaker 5: just be careful, be careful, care them. So you guys
Speaker 5: start walking away, You walk away, you turn around, you
Speaker 5: come back, and you go.
Speaker 1: Hey, and by the way, hey, I got him.
Speaker 5: We're like, oh god, you got him.
Speaker 1: You got about all the people like, oh my god, please,
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna get no sleep. Came back. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you came back and said.
Speaker 3: That was like, oh Lord, help Burst. No oh Jack
Speaker 3: got him. We needn't go to sleep that night.
Speaker 1: That team was funny from a standpoint of Nelly kind
Speaker 1: of once Jack infiltrated and got in and it's about
Speaker 1: like this is before cannabis was obviously still, but Nelly
Speaker 1: didn't care, Like Nellie's just like whatever you guys feel
Speaker 1: like you need to do to be ready, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. He would try to hurry up and
Speaker 1: get our drug tests done. We went up to his
Speaker 1: house and people think it was a joke, but it
Speaker 1: was for real, Like the ship. After the playoffs, he
Speaker 1: told us that Woody Harrelson's in the back rolling doubies
Speaker 1: and go smoke with him. I'm just like, this is
Speaker 1: our head coach talking Nelly. Another story. So do we
Speaker 1: believe team be Dallas in the first round? Put me,
Speaker 1: Jack and Bedie on the same floor and put the
Speaker 1: big gym fan at the end of the hallway. Remember
Speaker 1: the biggest Jim fans back in the day. Nelly put
Speaker 1: a gym fan on our floor because he knew he
Speaker 1: was gonna be smoking in Utah. But like Nellie was
Speaker 1: so different, Yeah, it was different.
Speaker 3: He believed that you know, like, yeah, no, coach made
Speaker 3: me a captain. As soon as I got there, he
Speaker 3: made me a captain. Like the belief he put in
Speaker 3: you was like yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was that was That was really a
Speaker 4: good team. And we would always get calls with you guys.
Speaker 1: In the city. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, every night in
Speaker 1: the city.
Speaker 5: We were like, yeah, they're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: They too, like you said, take we didn't have one
Speaker 1: problem real quick since you were in management how close
Speaker 1: or because we've talked to Kevin Garnette about it of
Speaker 1: trying to go out and get the KG situation after that,
Speaker 1: we believe situation was it realtch.
Speaker 5: B It was so real. Let me say something to you, man,
Speaker 5: we h.
Speaker 4: I think that was the downfall of everything, of everything
Speaker 4: because we had KG, and KG wanted to come and
Speaker 4: we're like, man, that's all we need. I mean KG,
Speaker 4: We're gonna keep the core of our guys and and
Speaker 4: we can remember I can remember, like we we we
Speaker 4: talked about it and talked to it and they said no,
Speaker 4: we came to this was draft day and I d
Speaker 4: and I and our pick was coming up, and I
Speaker 4: can I can remember, man, it was like we had
Speaker 4: him in our hands, and I think at that time
Speaker 4: of a word about uh a contract situation or I
Speaker 4: have to put up like a little bit more money.
Speaker 4: But we're like, listen, we can make that back if
Speaker 4: we get KG. You can. You can set ticket sales
Speaker 4: and say hey, five years out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And that bro, that was a that was a that
Speaker 4: was a hard one. And that's when that's when he
Speaker 4: went to Boston.
Speaker 3: And then we lost Rich branded right from night for
Speaker 3: Jason ri that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: But we would have got rand the right, we would
Speaker 1: have got KG. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was so real, man, it was so and he
Speaker 4: wanted to come to God, to Stef and how we
Speaker 4: played and how you guys we needed.
Speaker 1: He made his fire with our.
Speaker 5: Burners exactly exactly, which with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know we always burned out the whole team.
Speaker 3: We talked You just mentioned Chris Mullen when we was playing,
Speaker 3: like we talked about y'all used to y'all was still playing,
Speaker 3: that's right, and we used to see him shoot all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: How good was Chris Mullen? Chris was awesome, man.
Speaker 4: I mean he definitely helped my game by coming there
Speaker 4: because his work ethic. You know, I thought I worked,
Speaker 4: but I wasn't working on the aspect of my game.
Speaker 5: Well what he was doing he was shooting constantly.
Speaker 4: Man, So we started shooting six hundred seven hundred shots
Speaker 4: a day. And we wouldn't just take six hundred seven.
Speaker 4: We were makes, yeah, make six hundred and seven. At
Speaker 4: that time, we had Mark Rabow who was one of
Speaker 4: the strengths and conditioning coaches, and g that's right. It
Speaker 4: would be me, me and him and Rod Higgins and man,
Speaker 4: we would shoot all summer. I mean shoot, shoot, shoot,
Speaker 4: And he definitely that's why I became a shooter, because
Speaker 4: you know, I would work with him.
Speaker 3: So now I'm just let me go off Rod Higgins. Yes,
Speaker 3: now I see how I got to Charlotte. Yes, yes, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's why the trade happened so easy, exactly.
Speaker 4: Okay, we left, I mean he left us, and that
Speaker 4: was then again I'm saying that was the our downfall
Speaker 4: for everything, for everything, losing Rod didn't get the KG thing,
Speaker 4: and it was just it's just kind of kind of
Speaker 4: pop from there. But yeah, ro Rod loved you, so
Speaker 4: Rob was a big part.
Speaker 1: Of you going to over there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was my best year after that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Charlotte talk about run TMC. How y'all took over the culture.
Speaker 1: But how was that and how did the name come about?
Speaker 1: Being rock star?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we we were trying to find a name.
Speaker 4: I think we did a uh they did a uh
Speaker 4: silence something with the fans uh.
Speaker 5: And then they just told the fans just sending names.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And and a team and a guy came up with
Speaker 4: the run TMC name like the run DMC. Yeah and
Speaker 4: uh and from there, man, it was history. It really
Speaker 4: matched up what we were doing. And at that time,
Speaker 4: you know, Tim Hardaway, man, he was tough to deal with,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And he was a he
Speaker 4: was a willing passer.
Speaker 5: So only thing we wanted to do just run the floor.
Speaker 5: He'll get it to you.
Speaker 4: So we just start really having a great time playing
Speaker 4: that fast pace and we just we just needed.
Speaker 5: A couple more pieces.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: We felt like we could have been there. And you
Speaker 4: know now, just like go to State with Clay and Curry.
Speaker 4: They kept that unit together. Yeah, And anytime someone keeps
Speaker 4: the unit together and then build around it, your team
Speaker 4: is going to get better. But when you're trying to
Speaker 4: mess with the core of the guys, You're still gonna
Speaker 4: be a hit and miss.
Speaker 1: I think that was My next question was short lived?
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, well listen now, Nelly, I love you to death.
Speaker 1: And he knows he crazy to Yeah, no question, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And at that time, Nelly was the general manager, and
Speaker 4: he was the coach, and and and he and he
Speaker 4: drank a lot.
Speaker 5: So I think at that time.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, it didn't just happened with me,
Speaker 4: It also happened with Webb. I think, you know, he
Speaker 4: was just trying to mix and match a little too much.
Speaker 4: And uh, that was that was heartbreaking because that team
Speaker 4: was such a a family oriented team and to leave there, yeah,
Speaker 4: that was tough. So I think it was so short lived.
Speaker 4: But I but I wish we would have played together longer.
Speaker 1: That was a great Nelly was the type of dude
Speaker 1: that to build a house and burn them the same
Speaker 1: day got the match. Now, Yeah, people love you. He
Speaker 1: used to come to practice in the morning with us
Speaker 1: when we were playing with either like a beer and
Speaker 1: his dog or coffee cup. But that who don't ain't
Speaker 1: no telling. They might be crowning the coffee call. It's
Speaker 1: the dog name old a little dog. He always had
Speaker 1: the little dog with.
Speaker 3: Oh all right, listen, we got practice on one side
Speaker 3: on the corn. Come on, that's a dog, bro, you
Speaker 3: can't do to play on both sides.
Speaker 4: I remember we played up, we played Seattle, and that's
Speaker 4: at the time of olden polonies. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: a bruiser and he was beating up on all of us,
Speaker 4: all all of all the big men and uh.
Speaker 5: And I remember Nellie Nelly put in the guy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: He didn't play that much.
Speaker 4: He put him in and say, hey, I want you
Speaker 4: to file out, file.
Speaker 5: And hit op every time.
Speaker 1: Call him.
Speaker 4: Guy went in there and didn't file op, not one time.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh god, oh he in trouble, Oh
Speaker 4: he in trouble. We were after the game. My man said, man,
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna never ask you to do nothing. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, ship. Next day when we lose up
Speaker 4: Nelly used to run.
Speaker 1: His shut out.
Speaker 4: So we get back to Uh, we get back to
Speaker 4: Oakland and you know how you would like, the starters
Speaker 4: will play thirty forty minutes and you sit on now.
Speaker 4: He said, don't nobody go to the locker room. So
Speaker 4: we got our ice bags, you know, watching the practice.
Speaker 4: He tell the guy, Okay, let's go. He ran up
Speaker 4: for about forty five minutes. He ran a forty five minutes.
Speaker 4: Were like, oh my god, man. And then at the
Speaker 4: end he called everybody and they said, hey man, everybody
Speaker 4: say goodbye to him. He cut him after that cut him,
Speaker 4: after that roam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, oh my lob boy, you didn't
Speaker 1: mess with Delly. Man had one job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that file and with Nelly. You're walking in the
Speaker 3: locker room somebody be gone for you don't even know.
Speaker 3: It's just he hadn't done it, but I just seen it.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's gone, He's gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was ruthless. You still got a
Speaker 1: relationship with Nelly and money.
Speaker 5: Uh you talked to me. I talked to Molly yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we still talk everyone while Nellie.
Speaker 4: I mean, I have so much respectful because I thought
Speaker 4: he was the best coach I ever had, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? And and also I want to choke him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, no question, but it for
Speaker 4: trading me. So so I didn't speak to him a
Speaker 4: long time when he traded me. But I do respect
Speaker 4: him as a coach. To respect him as a basketball mind.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was a tough time.
Speaker 1: We're trying to get down there to see him and
Speaker 1: check up on him. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean when we see each other, we still talk.
Speaker 4: The love is there, you know what I mean, especially now, Man,
Speaker 4: you got to get over a lot of little things
Speaker 4: and keep it moving.
Speaker 5: But it was tough.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the devastation, you know, going a little up
Speaker 1: I a to Sacramento. First thing you heard from your
Speaker 1: team that's was welcome to Hell. Yes, but urban legend
Speaker 1: or truth? Did you commute? Did you keep a crib
Speaker 1: in the Bay and just commuted the act?
Speaker 4: I had just bought my house in Alameda. Nice over there, Yeah,
Speaker 4: beautiful un the Bay. And I got traded at the
Speaker 4: Sacramento and I said, man, I'm not I'm not moving
Speaker 4: the sack. I really felt I was still connected to
Speaker 4: that team, you know what I mean. And anytime they
Speaker 4: had uh parties at the house, I was still there.
Speaker 1: I was still there, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: would go to their thing.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I commuted for like the first maybe
Speaker 4: two years, just going back and forth, get a hotel
Speaker 4: room and uh.
Speaker 1: But I lived in Oakland the first two and a
Speaker 1: half years I was playing.
Speaker 5: I lived in Oakland.
Speaker 1: Who was the coaching sack when you first went, h
Speaker 1: what is the name.
Speaker 4: Coach at Uh? Jerry Renal No, no, no, Jerry was
Speaker 4: the gym at the time. He had moved up.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: It was a guy from Dallas, the older player.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Man, I can't even think of names. I wanted to
Speaker 5: choke him to.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah yeah, uh yeah.
Speaker 1: He was a Dallas He had the good, the great,
Speaker 1: the older player.
Speaker 4: He'll come to the older No, Garret say, he was
Speaker 4: about my man, that's that's my guy.
Speaker 5: But before him, I can't think of.
Speaker 4: Dick Mod, Dick mad Yeah, Dick.
Speaker 1: You wasn't rocking with him. You didn't rock with Dick.
Speaker 1: I think it was just I think at that time
Speaker 1: it was just tough. Man.
Speaker 4: No, it was just tough at that time because I
Speaker 4: came from Golden State and uh, you know, it was
Speaker 4: probably at the end his career.
Speaker 5: Next time, yeah, it was probably at.
Speaker 4: The end of his career. And at that time, it's
Speaker 4: just the styles. It wasn't the same. He wanted a
Speaker 4: more slow down pace. We didn't have the talent to
Speaker 4: play in the East, I mean in the West at
Speaker 4: that time.
Speaker 5: At the slow down pace at the time, West was
Speaker 5: very physical.
Speaker 1: Did he coach a long time because I never heard it.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, Well he had agreed had coached,
Speaker 5: Yeah he had, but Sacramento he didn't.
Speaker 1: What was your first year in SEC What year was that?
Speaker 5: That was ninety three?
Speaker 1: I think it was so five straight all NBA teams
Speaker 1: when you got to sack. Yeah, ninety three to ninety
Speaker 1: eight average twenty three year game over that stretch forty
Speaker 1: percent from the field. I've known you for a long
Speaker 1: time and obviously you know you're not a conceited person
Speaker 1: at all. But where did you put yourself in the
Speaker 1: hierarchy of two guards at that time when you were
Speaker 1: at the top of your game, right behind Mike.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying because if you because you talked that
Speaker 3: shit does yeah, you know it doesn't.
Speaker 1: We get the best with yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no doubt.
Speaker 4: I mean I felt like I was there, you know,
Speaker 4: I felt like I played both hands then and so
Speaker 4: for my whole career playing basketball, I've always won every
Speaker 4: team that I've been on. So born to Sacramento at
Speaker 4: the time and having and at the top of the top,
Speaker 4: you know, playing in the NBA and not have a
Speaker 4: six team success was very difficult and you really kind
Speaker 4: of understand you need players with you absolutely and not
Speaker 4: saying that we didn't have any player. We had young
Speaker 4: guys at that time, and back then we were playing
Speaker 4: against grown.
Speaker 1: Men who were some of the guys on the squad.
Speaker 5: Back Lionel Simmons.
Speaker 4: Had Walk Williams.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had Brian Grant, Michael but and that's.
Speaker 4: When Michael Michael Smith. Yeah, that's when the team started
Speaker 4: getting better. When we when we drafted Brian Grant, Michael Smith.
Speaker 4: We got o p from from Detroit at the time, and.
Speaker 5: I had been wanting to play with what was that Pagia,
Speaker 5: but Paige.
Speaker 4: Was overseas and and and our team, you know, we
Speaker 4: had to pay to get in. So we had drafted
Speaker 4: him three four years and I was waiting to pay
Speaker 4: play with him, but we couldn't get him over there
Speaker 4: to play.
Speaker 1: So but we at the time, we.
Speaker 4: Got better, We got better, we got better, but we
Speaker 4: had we had some good young players.
Speaker 1: We just wasn't ready for the league at the time
Speaker 1: because it was grown man. Obviously, this is before player
Speaker 1: empowerment and and and guys could really even say anything
Speaker 1: about the situation. You just had to play it out.
Speaker 1: Talks about I want to get out, or you talk
Speaker 1: to management about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would talk to management, but quietly, you know,
Speaker 4: just give me an opportunity to go somewhere else. And
Speaker 4: they just kept telling me, just wait, just wait, just wait,
Speaker 4: we're gonna take care of you. We're gonna take care
Speaker 4: of you. You stay, You're gonna be a king forever,
Speaker 4: and and just kept waiting around and then they didn't
Speaker 4: want to take care of it.
Speaker 5: So so it was tough. It was tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ninety five All Star Game MVP talked to us
Speaker 1: about that day.
Speaker 5: In that game, Oh, man, I was feeling it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I was feeling it.
Speaker 4: And I say, man, every time I touch it, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna look at.
Speaker 5: That basket, you know what I mean. And Gary was
Speaker 5: feeding me. And Gary had a pretty good game.
Speaker 1: That guy.
Speaker 4: He had like twelve thirteen cents at that time. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it worked out for me. The guys was looking for him,
Speaker 4: and I think I went like ten for twelve.
Speaker 1: For the game. What did you finish twenty twenty three? Three?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all you need game? Uh, yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 5: No forty fifties like they're doing that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are those All Star games were like real.
Speaker 1: You guys really played. Yeah you played a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah you played, especially in the fourth quarters. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: question about it, no question about it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Ended up in Washington after second spent three years there
Speaker 3: with Ra Strickland, Juan Howard, Ben Wallace.
Speaker 1: Right now, that's a solid team. Yes, why didn't it work? Man?
Speaker 1: I think sometimes those names when you hear those names,
Speaker 1: when you look at that stat sheet, no questions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Eddie Jordan's cool, last Eddie George.
Speaker 1: We're more on your homeboy than your man. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you welcome, You're on paper. We were great,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And I think at that time,
Speaker 4: you know it's from the top o down. Yeah, in
Speaker 4: the organization was was not on the same page at
Speaker 4: that time. And uh but to this day, to this day, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then they having trouble over there. And that's one city,
Speaker 4: will boo you. The Chocolate City is the one city
Speaker 4: that I think I had so much uh road rage
Speaker 4: and anger. Yeah, because you would go out in d C.
Speaker 4: And every dude think they can hoop, every dude think
Speaker 4: they better than you know, you would have arguments down like, man, yeah, Bush,
Speaker 4: you do that. Everywhere you went in d C. Everybody
Speaker 4: thought that they can hoop. Everybody thought they could play
Speaker 4: for the Wizards. You know what I mean, everybody have
Speaker 4: thought they could play for the Wizards. Man, everywhere you went.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for my tender a c. You know, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody could last stop Lakers O two. Uh you know
Speaker 1: O G in the game you get a chance to
Speaker 1: win a ring there. Uh in the midst of that
Speaker 1: shock and Kobe ninasty run. What what did you see
Speaker 1: between them and Phil and just that organization on your
Speaker 1: way out? Phil was very calm and uh.
Speaker 4: They had won the championship two years before I got there,
Speaker 4: and I felt like my time was, you know, getting
Speaker 4: getting to an end. Had an opportunity, uh to go
Speaker 4: to San Antonio Dallas. Nelly was trying to get me
Speaker 4: back to go to Dallas at the time, and I said, hey, man,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go to l A.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: They don't wanted to in a year to two years
Speaker 5: in a row.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and J. L.
Speaker 5: Righter was there year before, so I was replacing him.
Speaker 4: And uh, yeah, I've just you know, decided that I
Speaker 4: was going to go to the Lakers, and Kobe and
Speaker 4: Shaq relationship was great. I mean, that team was That
Speaker 4: was another team that was really kind of they didn't
Speaker 4: hang out, but you know, they had the respect.
Speaker 5: Uh you know each other on the court. But it
Speaker 5: was a good time, no question.
Speaker 4: Phil was one of the best coaches to really kind
Speaker 4: of keep your paw, your pause, I mean, your poise
Speaker 4: and uh and uh yeah, let's just keep you you know,
Speaker 4: confident and trying to work out situations on your own.
Speaker 4: He always tried to have those teams.
Speaker 1: You figure you know. Yeah, me and my man was that.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you was gonna kill him, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 5: you was gonna kill him, yeah yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all wanted to kill him, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But at that time, I think, you.
Speaker 4: Know, for me, you were a younger player at the
Speaker 4: time and I had got a little older, and so
Speaker 4: for me, it kind of helped me because when I
Speaker 4: was on top, I had players behind me that really
Speaker 4: supported me, you know what I mean, And I was like,
Speaker 4: this is the time for me to support the team.
Speaker 4: My time has passed, and so let me kind of
Speaker 4: support the team and then just go along.
Speaker 1: For the ride. Man.
Speaker 4: So I felt like I could have done more, but
Speaker 4: you know, hey, that was that was up to them.
Speaker 4: But you know, I enjoyed the team.
Speaker 3: And two thousand and two, Yeah, I was in San Antonio, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it was that was bringing any the US Steve Smith.
Speaker 1: And I was back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was gonna go to Sanatoya the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I decided man, and just yeah, what
Speaker 1: did you see in Cod at that time?
Speaker 4: Hungry man? Yeah, man, just like you know, and they
Speaker 4: talk about the face. The same thing with Mike, you know,
Speaker 4: and especially the best scores.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 4: They wanted the ball so bad, like it was I
Speaker 4: just had to have it, like anything I needed to
Speaker 4: do to get it. And he would he would fight
Speaker 4: his butt off to try to get it. And you
Speaker 4: know the triangle we were run the triangle.
Speaker 1: He knew ways to get the especially when and if
Speaker 1: you really didn't know what it was.
Speaker 4: Oh, he would mess up to He'll have that ball
Speaker 4: on the right side and you know, Shot could come
Speaker 4: over and he wanted to get on that block and
Speaker 4: he'll look and he'll pump fake there, throw it over there.
Speaker 1: Run It's like to that angle. So what she He
Speaker 1: knew all the little duances of the thing.
Speaker 4: But he was Uh, he was great. The one thing
Speaker 4: you know you respected about him, he did it in practice,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And he did it before
Speaker 4: anybody got there. He was the first one there working
Speaker 4: on this game. If anybody did a move on him,
Speaker 4: he was working on it. He was working on her
Speaker 4: that day. So uh yeah, yeah he was cool.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: We had a great relationship and it was cool.
Speaker 1: Ones.
Speaker 5: No, we never did on one of one was then
Speaker 5: in my career, I wasn't doing all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, icy my deeds, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Your relationship with Nike a ba A tempo to sixteen,
Speaker 3: you talk about your relationship with man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I came in with uh wearing Adidas.
Speaker 1: Uh, everybody did. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wanted to go to Nike and uh but the
Speaker 4: deal didn't work out at that time. And then I
Speaker 4: was at a didas I think for my first two
Speaker 4: years and then then with Nike.
Speaker 5: But everybody want to Nikes.
Speaker 1: Everybody was one of a lot of everybody. Then did
Speaker 1: they go back to that last picture. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: They used to take care of me, man, They just
Speaker 4: used to take care of me. I had some nice
Speaker 4: and I don't even know the names or the shoes.
Speaker 4: Everybody like, man with them shoes.
Speaker 5: I said, Man, I.
Speaker 1: Don't even know the name Aaron Bacon. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: even know up tempos. Yeah them was hard. And then
Speaker 1: I went to Georgia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're still in the Jordan family.
Speaker 3: Every once in a while I got to call them now, Man,
Speaker 3: SI me.
Speaker 1: A box who He sounded like, yeah, sound like a
Speaker 1: box Man. That Box used to cup all the time
Speaker 1: about every two months. Yeah, yeah. Box Bro obviously recognized
Speaker 1: as a Hall of Famer in twenty fourteen. But the
Speaker 1: transition sometimes it's tough. What was your transition like from Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm done to what's next? Or time down or family like,
Speaker 1: what was your transition?
Speaker 5: I think it was easier for me because my years
Speaker 5: in Washington.
Speaker 4: Golden State had pursued me to come and play before
Speaker 4: I went to the Lakers, and I wanted to work
Speaker 4: in the front office, and so they was at that
Speaker 4: time Gary Saint Jean was there and we were going
Speaker 4: to try to work out like a seven or eight
Speaker 4: year deal where I play and then move into.
Speaker 1: The front office.
Speaker 4: And I just felt at that time, I was like well,
Speaker 4: I want to get I want to maximize my money
Speaker 4: as while I'm playing, because it wasn't a big deal
Speaker 4: doing that eight year deal, so I said, let me play,
Speaker 4: and I still want to come and work for you.
Speaker 4: So once I once I retired, I took off probably
Speaker 4: about a year, and then I started going to start
Speaker 4: working for Golden State and worked for Golden State for
Speaker 4: a while and that's when we you know, we got
Speaker 4: you guys over there. But but yeah, it was it
Speaker 4: was an easy transition for me, I think, but because
Speaker 4: I still was around it but wasn't doing all of
Speaker 4: the traveling. So it kind of implemented me a little
Speaker 4: bit where I can, you know, be with my kids
Speaker 4: and be at some some basketball games and do a
Speaker 4: lot of little stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: People don't understand one ship towards the end of your career.
Speaker 1: The worst part of it is the traveling. No question,
Speaker 1: you're missing so much or you're always traveling like that
Speaker 1: was the reason after in Golden State when I won
Speaker 1: that last year, I don't want to travel. I was
Speaker 1: missing so much time with my kids. People understand that, yeah,
Speaker 1: you travel so much.
Speaker 4: You don't even know until you sit down and I
Speaker 4: can remember how you know, we used to travel great.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden when you become a citizen man,
Speaker 4: you gotta go through.
Speaker 5: The a.
Speaker 1: What's going on? You can't random I gotta take my
Speaker 1: shoes off. That's the one thing about Jack too. Jack's
Speaker 1: bag on every Golden State PLAYE made stunk the whole plane.
Speaker 3: And I didn't remember when we used to go to Canada.
Speaker 3: The whole team go there and I'm still sitting in
Speaker 3: customs by three hours. They going through all my stuff, tooth, breast,
Speaker 3: too paste, everything, like, bro, it.
Speaker 1: Ain't that bad. I ain't killing nobody doing that. I ain't.
Speaker 1: I just gotta be a little stuff with it.
Speaker 3: You know, we like as players. We know there's certain
Speaker 3: players doing your NBA career that those guys that everybody
Speaker 3: cool with that you know, like doing our career, he
Speaker 3: gonna be working, You're gonna be working for an organizations.
Speaker 3: It was one of those guys that everybody everybody liked,
Speaker 3: everybody cool with. I think he's gonna be working for
Speaker 3: a team with his career.
Speaker 1: Like you're the type of person helped bridge gaps. You
Speaker 1: still spoke our lingo, but then you could also speak
Speaker 1: the office level at the time. And that's important too,
Speaker 1: because not a lot of organizations have that are understanding
Speaker 1: the importance of that. It's always kind of like a
Speaker 1: talk down situation. But when you have a mitch there
Speaker 1: that can translate on a player's mind what we're trying
Speaker 1: to get to on a higher level, that shit goes. No,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: It was special, man, because I would I love to
Speaker 4: be around you guys, because I would come down all
Speaker 4: the time at the practice. Yeah, I remember Jack asked
Speaker 4: me came down to one person, you know, man, because
Speaker 4: I think at the time somebody was telling you that
Speaker 4: that they got you, like man who traded for me.
Speaker 5: I'm like, come on, Jack, we ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 5: A doing that man, come on, man, you know who.
Speaker 1: Got you know? Yeah, exact, let me go back. We
Speaker 1: know he took credit, but we know you, bro. I
Speaker 1: was scared to make that deal. We're like, man, come on, we.
Speaker 3: Need some fire man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm bad. I'm
Speaker 3: glad we had you in Christian office. Yeah, somebody with
Speaker 3: some experience.
Speaker 1: Exactly. When you sit back, now that's a Hall of
Speaker 1: famer and the accolade you have, like what comes to
Speaker 1: mind about your career.
Speaker 4: What's so dag quick fast right? Fourteen years fourteen fourteen years?
Speaker 4: And if I look back, man, I retired twenty two
Speaker 4: years ago. That's crazy. I just can't fathom it.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I wake up and be like, man, I got
Speaker 5: to go to a game, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: I got a gain to night, like, then my legs
Speaker 5: feel up. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: Then you're trying to put it. That's a lot. That
Speaker 1: first step out of bed. Yeah, oh no, that's not true.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, man, Nobody calling me whatever. Who do
Speaker 1: you feel in this current game right now is let's
Speaker 1: take Lebron out the pitch because he's almost done. Who
Speaker 1: do you feel is you know, best player, top two
Speaker 1: players in the game right now?
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's such a hard question because you know,
Speaker 4: you got so many great players. I love Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4: I love what he I mean, he's one of those scores.
Speaker 4: He's like Iceman, like he can score from all across
Speaker 4: the court.
Speaker 1: He does it in so many ways.
Speaker 4: You know, we got to talk about Curry like he's
Speaker 4: one of one, you know, And I tell people all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 5: Curry is the the best worst shot taker in the world.
Speaker 1: He makes them.
Speaker 4: And when you see him take shots, now you don't
Speaker 4: think you're like, oh man, that's a bad shot, Like, man,
Speaker 4: is that going to go in?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So that takes practice and and coaching. I coached at
Speaker 4: Saint John's coaching the younger players. They don't understand that.
Speaker 4: They just think Curry just stepped out too. And I
Speaker 4: can do it too, and think about it. He's he
Speaker 4: doesn't look like he's that strong. Shoot that way we were.
Speaker 4: Some people have to throw that shot, and for him
Speaker 4: to make that look like a shot is very remarkable.
Speaker 4: And then you got some young players coming with the
Speaker 4: young fello out at ok Se man that's.
Speaker 1: Doing his thing. You know, I like me in Minnesota.
Speaker 5: I like Booker. I love Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 4: Yes, I love his wag, what he stands for, and
Speaker 4: he's continued to I saw him as a sophomore in
Speaker 4: high school and I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 5: Back then I thought he was gonna be nice.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's so many great players, man, a lot
Speaker 4: of time, a lot of talent that I like to watch,
Speaker 4: uh and see guys.
Speaker 1: I think to speak to your point with Steph my
Speaker 1: founder year there I used to really enjoy sitting and
Speaker 1: watching him and KD shoot after practice because everything that
Speaker 1: everyone thinks is a bad shot or might be luck,
Speaker 1: they work on it. That's right, the off balance, the
Speaker 1: off hand, all the deep one footed falling out of bounds,
Speaker 1: like they train and shoot those shots on daily, every
Speaker 1: single day. I was there him and Katie after practice
Speaker 1: on the same court working on this stuff. You would
Speaker 1: see a six three dude doing it, and you would
Speaker 1: see a seven foot doing the same ship.
Speaker 5: And you you got to give, you know, Clay his respect.
Speaker 1: Three shots out of one hundred, Claire shoot a hundred
Speaker 1: shots after practice, miss two or three.
Speaker 5: Miss two or three? Man, I mean he's handling it
Speaker 5: with grace.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: It's just like any player when you when you get
Speaker 4: to a point where they you know, they put you
Speaker 4: on the bench. I think the organization is really trying
Speaker 4: to find out find a way to make sure that
Speaker 4: they don't disrespect him anyway. But I think, you know,
Speaker 4: he had a good game the other night. For me,
Speaker 4: I always said, I think, I think what what would
Speaker 4: help him?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 5: And I love him to death.
Speaker 4: I think you know, getting some inside shots, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, and not you know, relying on all
Speaker 4: just the three point shot I think will help him.
Speaker 4: But but I love clay Man. One of the guys
Speaker 4: that I remember, Mark jacksonally said it years ago that
Speaker 4: they were the best two shooters that he and we
Speaker 4: were like, man, come on, man, you talk about and
Speaker 4: now you see it.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 4: And and Mark made that statement when it when it
Speaker 4: was a popular when yeah the baby, and I agree
Speaker 4: with him, best two shooters.
Speaker 1: Who did Money bring Rico and you to Saint Jones
Speaker 1: when he was there? No, Rico was there before. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was saying something about going back with Money out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was.
Speaker 5: I think they had talked about it, yea at one
Speaker 5: point in time, but didn't. It didn't work out.
Speaker 1: Rico understand his his knowledge of the game and been
Speaker 1: around the game and the way people gravitate to him
Speaker 1: and respect him because I feel like mentioned you know,
Speaker 1: because you've been around the game. To me, these days,
Speaker 1: it's less about X and Os. It's more about relating
Speaker 1: to the players question. And you get these players to
Speaker 1: believe in the ultimate team goal. And Ricos up one
Speaker 1: of the best in the world and doing that.
Speaker 5: And we were the one who was the first one
Speaker 5: who hired Rico.
Speaker 4: You know, we were the first one who's hired Rico
Speaker 4: at Golden State because we saw that, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, he had a great relationship with with Ball
Speaker 4: and all you guys, and he was working our players
Speaker 4: way then. So you know, we we feel good about that.
Speaker 4: We gave him the start. Yeah last night, happy birthday,
Speaker 4: said nothing about us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Mitch, we appreciate you. This is the last
Speaker 1: home stretch now, so the first thing to come to mind,
Speaker 1: let us know we got start you off with a
Speaker 1: tough one. Okay, top five shooting guards of all time, man,
Speaker 1: and you better be in there, in.
Speaker 5: There, no question about that, no question.
Speaker 1: M j Uh. What else you got?
Speaker 5: You got Kobe, no question, you got d Wade. Uh,
Speaker 5: you got me and Clyde.
Speaker 1: There you go put in there?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I mean.
Speaker 1: You gave.
Speaker 4: Because well I put it this way. Usually they would
Speaker 4: have me out of there. They have Reggie in there,
Speaker 4: So I put.
Speaker 1: Myself in there. So since went in down and just
Speaker 1: give us your pin on. Regie Miller. Tough man. He
Speaker 1: was a tough, tough player.
Speaker 4: He was different from any other guy because you couldn't
Speaker 4: give him space and he was a dead eye shooter. Uh,
Speaker 4: and so he would run you around so many screens.
Speaker 4: I can remember the first time I played Reggie. I
Speaker 4: don't know, he wouldn't cut his nails.
Speaker 1: Or something like Hamton. Yeah, he said.
Speaker 4: He scratched me up so bad the first time I played.
Speaker 4: And then I remember I say Reggie. I ain't say
Speaker 4: Reggie to him, but I said to myself, I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna cut my nails next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to do the same thing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 5: Scratch me like that.
Speaker 1: I bruise easy, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 1: had to make sure I cut my name. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But Reggie Richard is a good friend too, great player.
Speaker 4: We played on the lip team together, had some great battles, uh,
Speaker 4: but got.
Speaker 5: A lot of respect. Childhood crush, childhood crush.
Speaker 4: Jenny Jackson. Man, remember Jenny j Janney Jackson came to
Speaker 4: Lottter Hill Mall. She came to Lotdter Hill Mall, fl
Speaker 4: lot of their floor.
Speaker 1: How old were you, man?
Speaker 5: I don't know, I can't remember, man. I know she
Speaker 5: was looking at me.
Speaker 1: That was that was flat top to Yeah. I had
Speaker 1: some ways waves back then. Okay, I ain't get the
Speaker 1: curl until I got.
Speaker 5: I know she was looking at that eye cunt.
Speaker 1: That's good, that's funny. The next question is best basketball shoot.
Speaker 1: But you said you didn't really pay attention to sh
Speaker 1: I'm a flipping I'm a flippant. Okay, what's your what's
Speaker 1: your one album that you could play from front to back?
Speaker 4: Oh man, let's see definitely the run DMC album. Uh
Speaker 4: it was so at that time. Let's see l L
Speaker 4: cool J. I keep going back to him, but no,
Speaker 4: l L was nice, Uh cool.
Speaker 5: Mo d its tough d West Yeah, come on man,
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, and we all played uh n.
Speaker 1: W A, I'm back and forth. You know. I love
Speaker 1: when B d K and L L was going. Oh
Speaker 1: yeah right there, Yeah that was good. Most underrated player
Speaker 1: of your generation. Underrated player me say that? Yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: we guilty pleasure.
Speaker 4: Oh man, you should love an La ice cream. I
Speaker 4: don't eat that dumb more. I'm a plat based Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah that I went plant based by eight years ago.
Speaker 4: I love it, man, now, I love it.
Speaker 1: You can feel it.
Speaker 5: I can feel it, man, And no joys hurt look good?
Speaker 1: Nothing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, bro, I eat a lot though, but just you
Speaker 5: know just working out, so you don't.
Speaker 1: Want none of that good old soul food back there.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 1: I wish I could.
Speaker 4: I know you guys have a good time over there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I got a little salad question. It's hard to get
Speaker 4: some plant based food in Indiana.
Speaker 1: And too many plants out here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I ain't eat nothing, but hummus.
Speaker 1: I love is good. One thing you wish you were
Speaker 1: better at?
Speaker 4: One thing I wish I was better at mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I was saying that if I didn't play ball, I
Speaker 4: was gonna be a singer. Everybody so if at R
Speaker 4: and b RB, Yeah, I wish I was a better
Speaker 4: singer because I'm really good in the shower.
Speaker 1: Everybody is. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could see one game us on our show,
Speaker 3: who would it be? But but you have to help
Speaker 3: us get your answer on the show. I have to
Speaker 3: get by it.
Speaker 1: What you have to help us get the answer. So
Speaker 1: somebody you know, okay, somebody okay, haven't been on here
Speaker 1: that you know real well been on here.
Speaker 5: Let's see what would that be?
Speaker 1: Man, Molly, tim there's a few yeah, my guys yet
Speaker 1: and I just seen him in the airport.
Speaker 4: What oh no, got his number two. You got to
Speaker 4: get Tim Buggs. I would help with that.
Speaker 1: I would help money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got some
Speaker 1: stories to Mully, got some story mitch Man. We appreciate
Speaker 1: your time, thank you for coming through and obviously, like
Speaker 1: I said, with always a lot of respect for your
Speaker 1: game and we're you know, the real ones. Know. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Bro, appreciate you, Miss Rinchman.