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Speaker 1: Welcome back All Star twenty twenty four Indiana, Indiana, Indneapolis.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we here your old stumba grounds and this stops

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a good day yesterday, some great guests.

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Speaker 1: You got a bucket episode. But I'm excited about this

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Speaker 1: one because, you know, growing up in northern California, I

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Speaker 1: but the way he kind of changed the thinking. They're

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Speaker 1: and to me, one of the most underappreciated players. I

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Speaker 1: think in the history of the game. The greatest man

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Speaker 1: But welcome to the show man, Mitch Rison. Mitch. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you, man, bet you, I mean again. Decorated career,

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Speaker 1: six time All Star, five time All NBA. Want to

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Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen nomination. How's life? What's going on with

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Speaker 4: Life is good, man, Just trying to stay out of

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Speaker 4: But just enjoying life, man, and join the freedom life.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, one of the best scores ever averaged twenty points

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Speaker 5: So I think I took it on myself.

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Speaker 4: So I think that summer, man, I just worked my

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Speaker 1: But also, I mean, as much as you scored, you

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Speaker 5: So I just wanted to try to play hard.

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Speaker 1: Cruse and you can get ten from thee.

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Speaker 4: Ten of TIMPs from the line. And so I think

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Speaker 1: Who was around I mean, you mentioned Michael Irving. Any

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Speaker 5: I played defensive endy tight end.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so we're just talking about grades. You didn't

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Speaker 1: My life.

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Speaker 4: It was great to get on the Olympic team. I

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Speaker 4: We didn't really work on shooting because you've ever seen

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Speaker 5: They were all about defense. But we had we had

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Speaker 4: The Greatest oh my god, bro I mean he could pass,

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Speaker 1: But you got I mean, obviously John Thompson coached that team.

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Speaker 5: Man, we had some great experience.

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Speaker 4: I can remember a time where we were having Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cuss on him? Shit? Y'all ass down?

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Speaker 1: But we know he wasn't having that at all.

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Speaker 4: It was a great time because I never thought I'd

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Speaker 5: It was great to be in Atlanta because.

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Speaker 4: We didn't know what was going on, but we grat

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Speaker 5: But we had so much fun. I mean, we had

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Speaker 4: And back then, now if they if they had cameras

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Speaker 5: Man Charles Brockert have been in jail. I can remember

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Speaker 4: We went out somewhere and Charles, he was always a

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Speaker 4: And I remember Charles said, well, y'all gonna be right

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Speaker 4: and we're gonna keep doing it. But yeah, that was

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Speaker 3: Who means the world to me. You were told by him,

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Speaker 3: remember coming from the Olympics. Uh you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I want to get ready and get prepared to play

441
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,919
Speaker 4: for the for the season, because you know, the Olympics we

442
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 4: lost were like man, we were we thought that.

443
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 5: They were going to shoot the player down.

444
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: Man. We had lost the game.

445
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 4: So I go into Golden State and I didn't have

446
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 4: I didn't sign my contract, so I said, I go

447
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,120
Speaker 4: over there, just go to Golden State.

448
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 5: And they're running, they're running some games.

449
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 4: And so I got off the plane from China from Soul, Korea,

450
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 4: I mean tired, but I said, man, I'm gonna going Hoop.

451
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 5: Went over there and Hoop.

452
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 4: And he was there, and I guess I played terror

453
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 4: and he was like, boy, you need a lot of work, man,

454
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 4: you Terror. I'm like what you talk about. I got

455
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 4: back on the plane and left. I'm like, man, I

456
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 4: ain't signed my contract. Yeah, I'm just trying to come in,

457
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 4: you know, and get ready. But yeah, but but but Nelly.

458
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 5: Was like that, you know that Nellie was a straight

459
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 5: shooting but crazy believe that.

460
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 4: Oh he believed me because he coached me. U back then,

461
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 4: we used to have Orlando Classic. No, they was yell

462
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 4: the summ League. Yeah, right before the right before the draft.

463
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 4: And it should get back to that where it doesn't

464
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 4: matter if you're a number one or you're number sixty.

465
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 5: Everybody played against each yeam.

466
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 4: So if you were ranked number one and two guard,

467
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 4: you play against the ten god that's ranked and you battle.

468
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 4: And so Nelly was my coach at the time, never

469
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 4: said anything to me, never know that I was going

470
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 4: to go to Golden State. You know, we would just talk,

471
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 4: but he wouldn't. I never knew he was gonna draft me.

472
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 4: But at that time, they would have a car. I mean,

473
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 4: NBA coaches coached the summer league and so get a

474
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 4: feel of the guys and uh, and then you go

475
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Speaker 4: into the draft and so yeah, he drafted me there.

476
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Speaker 1: But Nelly was hub down a cookie. I mean I was.

477
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: I think at that time I was.

478
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Speaker 4: Supposed to be ranked like going in the draft like

479
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 4: twenty two. And after that, after that came out, they

480
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 4: say I'll be top five.

481
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was your early impression of the

482
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: time when you got that open? Oh? Man, man, I

483
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: love Oakley bro you know, hitting it, I feel it's different.

484
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's different now. But Oakland was a great city, man,

485
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 4: and they embraced that team. And you guys know that's

486
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 4: not that's probably one of the funniest places to play.

487
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

488
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 4: They don't boo you, you know, they get you up, support,

489
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: they support you, and that's a lot of teams don't do.

490
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 4: That's them in Sacramento as well. But man, we had

491
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 4: some great times and at that time, San Francisco was fun. Uh,

492
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 4: to hang out and do that, and you know we

493
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 4: got a history together, yes, and so yeah, I mean

494
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 4: Oakland was great for me.

495
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 3: Did it bother you when they started abandoning in Oakland

496
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Speaker 3: from professional sports?

497
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: Man? Yeah?

498
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 4: Because you know even you know they have it over

499
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 4: in San Francisco, but you missed.

500
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: It's not the same.

501
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not the same. Right there, he is right there.

502
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 5: And and they really took care of you if you

503
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 5: played on that team.

504
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: Took care of you, man, love you.

505
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 4: Theywhere San Francisco, I mean San Jose all the way

506
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: down Hayward and you know, they really supported the team,

507
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: and so they had a big Latino following. Man, that

508
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 4: man just just really kind of took care of the

509
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 4: team and everything.

510
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: But I've seen yeah, I've never seen a major city

511
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: lose all of their sports.

512
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 5: It's everything.

513
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: Sad to go there now, Yeah, it's really sad. You

514
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: peel round.

515
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: That's the first thing you did with you when you

516
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: got your bread NBA read. I can remember my first check.

517
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: I put it on my refrigerator.

518
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: How much was if you don't mind to sell, it's.

519
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 4: About thirty thous yeah, you know, and it was my

520
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 4: first check and it stayed there for a minute until

521
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,239
Speaker 4: what my boys said, Man, are you gonna put that?

522
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: Man? Just gonna look at it? Just look at it, man.

523
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. And my first thing I did, I bought my

524
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 4: mom's house. And then I waited probably another year OUTI

525
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 4: I got me something. Another two years, I got me

526
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 4: something about after my third year. Then I got me something.

527
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 4: But I got my apartment that time. Man, I was

528
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 4: living in the hotel at Uh.

529
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: What is that Mary right there with the practice? What's that? Oh? Yeah,

530
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is now, just like the

531
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: sweets now.

532
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, I stayed there for about six months, yeah,

533
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 4: you know, until they said, man, can.

534
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 5: You go and get you a spot?

535
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 4: Took their mom first, took their mom's first, stayed there,

536
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 4: and I was just hooping.

537
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 1: Man, it was just going to do. Just enjoyed it.

538
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 5: Just in Jordan.

539
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: Most most guys, even some of the top players, they

540
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: have rookie struggles and they don't come in and get

541
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: straight to averaging big numbers.

542
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: Your rookie year twenty two a game? What was that?

543
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: What was that feeling? Like Nelly? Man?

544
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 4: I mean the way he played, in the style he played,

545
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: he gave me an opportunity. Uh, to really kind of

546
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 4: showcase my child and my talents. And he just let

547
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 4: me go and we played just like you're saying, how

548
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 4: they play now. We played a motion offense, and at

549
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 4: times he would come in the locker room and say, listen,

550
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 4: we're not gonna run any plays unless you guys don't play,

551
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: play amongst each other and pass the ball. He said,

552
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 4: I'm only gonna call plays because but we were it

553
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 4: was it was still a set offense, but it was

554
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: a motion offense, and so he said he we were

555
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: practiced at for days, man, and at that time we had,

556
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: you know, thirty days straight of tour days.

557
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: It was crazy.

558
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: So we would because we knew we were gonna play

559
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: Denver and dinner in the altitude, you had to be

560
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: ready and they run like this, so he would, uh,

561
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 4: you know, he would get us prepared, man, and we

562
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 4: played emotion and we had Chris and Tim came a

563
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 4: little later, but we shared the ball. And that was

564
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 4: my pretty much my favorite favorite team that I played with.

565
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 4: It was kind of like you guys, yes, you know

566
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: what I mean. It was that that we believe team

567
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 4: you know, identical, identical. Man, you guys got along. That's

568
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: why we went and got you guys, you know what

569
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 4: I mean. That's why we went and got you guys,

570
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 4: you know, And I got a good story about well,

571
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 4: at the time, we had no knock on the other players.

572
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: But we had Don Levy and Troy Murphy. We had

573
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: fine players, but we didn't have we didn't have that,

574
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 4: didn't have that. He came, he came doing that, and

575
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: we didn't have that toughness at the time.

576
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: And and you know, you have some trouble over there

577
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: in Indiana here right right here where we are, not

578
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: too far from here.

579
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: You know, you had you had some trouble in Indiana,

580
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 4: And it was a perfect time. And I was working

581
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 4: in the front office at the time, a special assistant

582
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 4: to Chris Mother. And uh, it was a great opportunity

583
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: for us to really kind of go after you.

584
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: Then.

585
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 4: We were going to get you and out our our

586
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: heretage and uh, and we needed toughness, man. We felt

587
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 4: like we had a lot of talent, but nobody was

588
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: scared of us, you know what I mean.

589
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 5: And so when you had your situation, man, we pursued

590
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 5: you right away.

591
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: You know, he carry, let's go get him.

592
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we said, we pursued it right away. I said,

593
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: sometimes you know you need another chain of seeler. Yes

594
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: and what I need and no question.

595
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 5: And then when you came to Oakland, the city embraced you.

596
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

597
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: You felt at home, man, You felt at home. The

598
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 4: city embraced you. We felt like we had a three

599
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 4: headed monster at that time because we had Baron that was,

600
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 4: you know, trying to get healthy. We had mante Ellis

601
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: coming Guarantee twenty, Guaranteed twenty. We had you as well,

602
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 4: and we we we grabbed Matt and Matt h coach

603
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: loved you because we had Rod Higgins years before that

604
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 4: kind of played the four positions that can pull the

605
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: defense out. He remember when you got there, he was like,

606
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: shoot threes. I want you to shoot. That's all you

607
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: were doing in practice degree.

608
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: But before that happened, so I wasn't even I got

609
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't late invite to camp. That is, fresh out

610
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: of getting traded to Philly with Web and not playing.

611
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I'm thinking about going to

612
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: try to play football. And I remember Baron called me,

613
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, we got to open gym today. Come down.

614
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm at the Crib and Sacramento. So I drive down

615
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: two hours and similar to like you said, Nelly was

616
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: upstairs watching YEP, and I played well and he came down.

617
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: He's like, where are you going to camp sun and

618
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: put his arm around me. I'm like, I don't know.

619
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: You have coach. He's like, well, if you played the

620
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: way you played today, I can't promise, but I'm gonna

621
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: give you a chance. He's like, we have a full

622
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: roster and we have all of our camp invites, but

623
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: if you come and do what you did today, I'll

624
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: give you a chance. I'm like, shit. So I went

625
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: from the last person invited, like I wasn't even invited,

626
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: last person to get in there, beat everyone out. And

627
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: for what I heard that I was playing well enough

628
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: that you felt like you can get rid of and

629
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: Troy and go get some That's what we did.

630
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what we did because you, yeah, you

631
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: wasn't even on the rosters we had to make.

632
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 5: We had to make room for him. But I tell

633
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 5: you a good story where we were playing Houston when

634
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 5: that we believe team and Jacket was your birthday.

635
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a red party.

636
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 5: You had a red party, and so we uh. So

637
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 5: we win the game, remember everybody, god and so we

638
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 5: uh we played the game, had a good game.

639
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 4: So now, me, Nelly, Chris were all sitting in the

640
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: lobby right after the game. We have a good time.

641
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: We sitting in the lobby having to drake. All of

642
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: a sudden, we looked towards the elevator, you and the whole.

643
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 5: Team already all read coming out.

644
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: We're like, oh god, no, god, nore ain't going where

645
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: they're going. Man, it's eleven thirty.

646
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: What ain't going?

647
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 4: So you come over, everybody come over. You know, that

648
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: team was so well. It was together.

649
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: Man.

650
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 5: We all felt like a family. But I can remember

651
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 5: you coming over and we were like, yeah, man, it's

652
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 5: my birthday. Man, I'm taking all the guys out. Man,

653
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 5: we're going for my birthday. We're like, okay, okay, cool man,

654
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 5: just be careful, be careful, care them. So you guys

655
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 5: start walking away, You walk away, you turn around, you

656
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 5: come back, and you go.

657
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: Hey, and by the way, hey, I got him.

658
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 5: We're like, oh god, you got him.

659
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: You got about all the people like, oh my god, please,

660
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna get no sleep. Came back. Yeah, when

661
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: you came back and said.

662
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: That was like, oh Lord, help Burst. No oh Jack

663
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: got him. We needn't go to sleep that night.

664
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: That team was funny from a standpoint of Nelly kind

665
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: of once Jack infiltrated and got in and it's about

666
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: like this is before cannabis was obviously still, but Nelly

667
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: didn't care, Like Nellie's just like whatever you guys feel

668
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: like you need to do to be ready, you know

669
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. He would try to hurry up and

670
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: get our drug tests done. We went up to his

671
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: house and people think it was a joke, but it

672
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: was for real, Like the ship. After the playoffs, he

673
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: told us that Woody Harrelson's in the back rolling doubies

674
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: and go smoke with him. I'm just like, this is

675
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: our head coach talking Nelly. Another story. So do we

676
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: believe team be Dallas in the first round? Put me,

677
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Jack and Bedie on the same floor and put the

678
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: big gym fan at the end of the hallway. Remember

679
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: the biggest Jim fans back in the day. Nelly put

680
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: a gym fan on our floor because he knew he

681
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: was gonna be smoking in Utah. But like Nellie was

682
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: so different, Yeah, it was different.

683
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: He believed that you know, like, yeah, no, coach made

684
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: me a captain. As soon as I got there, he

685
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: made me a captain. Like the belief he put in

686
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: you was like yeah.

687
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was that was That was really a

688
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: good team. And we would always get calls with you guys.

689
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: In the city. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, every night in

690
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: the city.

691
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 5: We were like, yeah, they're gonna be all right.

692
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: They too, like you said, take we didn't have one

693
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: problem real quick since you were in management how close

694
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: or because we've talked to Kevin Garnette about it of

695
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: trying to go out and get the KG situation after that,

696
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: we believe situation was it realtch.

697
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 5: B It was so real. Let me say something to you, man,

698
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: we h.

699
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: I think that was the downfall of everything, of everything

700
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: because we had KG, and KG wanted to come and

701
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: we're like, man, that's all we need. I mean KG,

702
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: We're gonna keep the core of our guys and and

703
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 4: we can remember I can remember, like we we we

704
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: talked about it and talked to it and they said no,

705
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: we came to this was draft day and I d

706
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: and I and our pick was coming up, and I

707
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: can I can remember, man, it was like we had

708
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: him in our hands, and I think at that time

709
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 4: of a word about uh a contract situation or I

710
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: have to put up like a little bit more money.

711
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 4: But we're like, listen, we can make that back if

712
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: we get KG. You can. You can set ticket sales

713
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: and say hey, five years out, you know what I mean?

714
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 4: And that bro, that was a that was a that

715
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: was a hard one. And that's when that's when he

716
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 4: went to Boston.

717
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: And then we lost Rich branded right from night for

718
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: Jason ri that's right, that's right.

719
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: But we would have got rand the right, we would

720
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: have got KG. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

721
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: It was so real, man, it was so and he

722
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: wanted to come to God, to Stef and how we

723
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 4: played and how you guys we needed.

724
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: He made his fire with our.

725
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: Burners exactly exactly, which with.

726
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know we always burned out the whole team.

727
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: We talked You just mentioned Chris Mullen when we was playing,

728
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: like we talked about y'all used to y'all was still playing,

729
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: that's right, and we used to see him shoot all

730
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: the time.

731
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: How good was Chris Mullen? Chris was awesome, man.

732
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 4: I mean he definitely helped my game by coming there

733
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 4: because his work ethic. You know, I thought I worked,

734
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 4: but I wasn't working on the aspect of my game.

735
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 5: Well what he was doing he was shooting constantly.

736
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: Man, So we started shooting six hundred seven hundred shots

737
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: a day. And we wouldn't just take six hundred seven.

738
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 4: We were makes, yeah, make six hundred and seven. At

739
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: that time, we had Mark Rabow who was one of

740
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: the strengths and conditioning coaches, and g that's right. It

741
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: would be me, me and him and Rod Higgins and man,

742
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: we would shoot all summer. I mean shoot, shoot, shoot,

743
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 4: And he definitely that's why I became a shooter, because

744
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 4: you know, I would work with him.

745
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: So now I'm just let me go off Rod Higgins. Yes,

746
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 3: now I see how I got to Charlotte. Yes, yes, Okay,

747
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: that's why the trade happened so easy, exactly.

748
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 4: Okay, we left, I mean he left us, and that

749
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: was then again I'm saying that was the our downfall

750
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: for everything, for everything, losing Rod didn't get the KG thing,

751
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: and it was just it's just kind of kind of

752
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: pop from there. But yeah, ro Rod loved you, so

753
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: Rob was a big part.

754
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: Of you going to over there.

755
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was my best year after that. Yeah,

756
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: Charlotte talk about run TMC. How y'all took over the culture.

757
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: But how was that and how did the name come about?

758
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: Being rock star?

759
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, we we were trying to find a name.

760
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: I think we did a uh they did a uh

761
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: silence something with the fans uh.

762
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 5: And then they just told the fans just sending names.

763
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 1: Uh.

764
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: And and a team and a guy came up with

765
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: the run TMC name like the run DMC. Yeah and

766
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: uh and from there, man, it was history. It really

767
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: matched up what we were doing. And at that time,

768
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 4: you know, Tim Hardaway, man, he was tough to deal with,

769
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And he was a he

770
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: was a willing passer.

771
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 5: So only thing we wanted to do just run the floor.

772
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 5: He'll get it to you.

773
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: So we just start really having a great time playing

774
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: that fast pace and we just we just needed.

775
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 5: A couple more pieces.

776
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: Man.

777
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: We felt like we could have been there. And you

778
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: know now, just like go to State with Clay and Curry.

779
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: They kept that unit together. Yeah, And anytime someone keeps

780
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: the unit together and then build around it, your team

781
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 4: is going to get better. But when you're trying to

782
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: mess with the core of the guys, You're still gonna

783
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 4: be a hit and miss.

784
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: I think that was My next question was short lived?

785
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, well listen now, Nelly, I love you to death.

786
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: And he knows he crazy to Yeah, no question, you

787
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

788
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: And at that time, Nelly was the general manager, and

789
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: he was the coach, and and and he and he

790
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 4: drank a lot.

791
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 5: So I think at that time.

792
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 4: You know, you know, it didn't just happened with me,

793
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: It also happened with Webb. I think, you know, he

794
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: was just trying to mix and match a little too much.

795
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: And uh, that was that was heartbreaking because that team

796
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 4: was such a a family oriented team and to leave there, yeah,

797
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 4: that was tough. So I think it was so short lived.

798
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: But I but I wish we would have played together longer.

799
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: That was a great Nelly was the type of dude

800
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: that to build a house and burn them the same

801
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: day got the match. Now, Yeah, people love you. He

802
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: used to come to practice in the morning with us

803
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: when we were playing with either like a beer and

804
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: his dog or coffee cup. But that who don't ain't

805
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: no telling. They might be crowning the coffee call. It's

806
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: the dog name old a little dog. He always had

807
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: the little dog with.

808
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 3: Oh all right, listen, we got practice on one side

809
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: on the corn. Come on, that's a dog, bro, you

810
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 3: can't do to play on both sides.

811
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: I remember we played up, we played Seattle, and that's

812
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: at the time of olden polonies. It's kind of like

813
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 4: a bruiser and he was beating up on all of us,

814
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 4: all all of all the big men and uh.

815
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 5: And I remember Nellie Nelly put in the guy.

816
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

817
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 5: He didn't play that much.

818
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: He put him in and say, hey, I want you

819
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: to file out, file.

820
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 5: And hit op every time.

821
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: Call him.

822
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: Guy went in there and didn't file op, not one time.

823
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh god, oh he in trouble, Oh

824
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: he in trouble. We were after the game. My man said, man,

825
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna never ask you to do nothing. And

826
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, ship. Next day when we lose up

827
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 4: Nelly used to run.

828
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: His shut out.

829
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: So we get back to Uh, we get back to

830
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: Oakland and you know how you would like, the starters

831
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 4: will play thirty forty minutes and you sit on now.

832
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 4: He said, don't nobody go to the locker room. So

833
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 4: we got our ice bags, you know, watching the practice.

834
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 4: He tell the guy, Okay, let's go. He ran up

835
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: for about forty five minutes. He ran a forty five minutes.

836
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 4: Were like, oh my god, man. And then at the

837
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: end he called everybody and they said, hey man, everybody

838
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: say goodbye to him. He cut him after that cut him,

839
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 4: after that roam.

840
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, oh my lob boy, you didn't

841
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: mess with Delly. Man had one job.

842
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that file and with Nelly. You're walking in the

843
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: locker room somebody be gone for you don't even know.

844
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: It's just he hadn't done it, but I just seen it.

845
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah he's gone, He's gone.

846
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was ruthless. You still got a

847
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: relationship with Nelly and money.

848
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 5: Uh you talked to me. I talked to Molly yesterday. Yeah,

849
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: we still talk everyone while Nellie.

850
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I have so much respectful because I thought

851
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 4: he was the best coach I ever had, you know

852
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: what I mean? And and also I want to choke him. Yeah,

853
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, no question, but it for

854
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 4: trading me. So so I didn't speak to him a

855
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: long time when he traded me. But I do respect

856
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: him as a coach. To respect him as a basketball mind.

857
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was a tough time.

858
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: We're trying to get down there to see him and

859
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: check up on him. Yeah.

860
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean when we see each other, we still talk.

861
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 4: The love is there, you know what I mean, especially now, Man,

862
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 4: you got to get over a lot of little things

863
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 4: and keep it moving.

864
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 5: But it was tough.

865
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: You mentioned the devastation, you know, going a little up

866
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: I a to Sacramento. First thing you heard from your

867
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: team that's was welcome to Hell. Yes, but urban legend

868
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: or truth? Did you commute? Did you keep a crib

869
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: in the Bay and just commuted the act?

870
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 4: I had just bought my house in Alameda. Nice over there, Yeah,

871
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 4: beautiful un the Bay. And I got traded at the

872
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 4: Sacramento and I said, man, I'm not I'm not moving

873
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: the sack. I really felt I was still connected to

874
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: that team, you know what I mean. And anytime they

875
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: had uh parties at the house, I was still there.

876
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: I was still there, you know what I mean. I

877
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: would go to their thing.

878
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I commuted for like the first maybe

879
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: two years, just going back and forth, get a hotel

880
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 4: room and uh.

881
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: But I lived in Oakland the first two and a

882
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: half years I was playing.

883
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 5: I lived in Oakland.

884
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: Who was the coaching sack when you first went, h

885
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: what is the name.

886
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 4: Coach at Uh? Jerry Renal No, no, no, Jerry was

887
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 4: the gym at the time. He had moved up.

888
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: Uh.

889
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 5: It was a guy from Dallas, the older player.

890
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

891
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 5: Man, I can't even think of names. I wanted to

892
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 5: choke him to.

893
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: Uh yeah yeah, uh yeah.

894
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: He was a Dallas He had the good, the great,

895
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: the older player.

896
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 4: He'll come to the older No, Garret say, he was

897
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 4: about my man, that's that's my guy.

898
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 5: But before him, I can't think of.

899
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 4: Dick Mod, Dick mad Yeah, Dick.

900
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: You wasn't rocking with him. You didn't rock with Dick.

901
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: I think it was just I think at that time

902
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: it was just tough. Man.

903
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: No, it was just tough at that time because I

904
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: came from Golden State and uh, you know, it was

905
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: probably at the end his career.

906
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 5: Next time, yeah, it was probably at.

907
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: The end of his career. And at that time, it's

908
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: just the styles. It wasn't the same. He wanted a

909
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: more slow down pace. We didn't have the talent to

910
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 4: play in the East, I mean in the West at

911
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 4: that time.

912
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 5: At the slow down pace at the time, West was

913
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: very physical.

914
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: Did he coach a long time because I never heard it.

915
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, Well he had agreed had coached,

916
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: Yeah he had, but Sacramento he didn't.

917
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: What was your first year in SEC What year was that?

918
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 5: That was ninety three?

919
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: I think it was so five straight all NBA teams

920
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: when you got to sack. Yeah, ninety three to ninety

921
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: eight average twenty three year game over that stretch forty

922
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: percent from the field. I've known you for a long

923
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: time and obviously you know you're not a conceited person

924
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: at all. But where did you put yourself in the

925
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: hierarchy of two guards at that time when you were

926
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: at the top of your game, right behind Mike.

927
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm not saying because if you because you talked that

928
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 3: shit does yeah, you know it doesn't.

929
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: We get the best with yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

930
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: no doubt.

931
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 4: I mean I felt like I was there, you know,

932
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 4: I felt like I played both hands then and so

933
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: for my whole career playing basketball, I've always won every

934
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: team that I've been on. So born to Sacramento at

935
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: the time and having and at the top of the top,

936
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 4: you know, playing in the NBA and not have a

937
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: six team success was very difficult and you really kind

938
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: of understand you need players with you absolutely and not

939
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: saying that we didn't have any player. We had young

940
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 4: guys at that time, and back then we were playing

941
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 4: against grown.

942
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: Men who were some of the guys on the squad.

943
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 5: Back Lionel Simmons.

944
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: Had Walk Williams.

945
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

946
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had Brian Grant, Michael but and that's.

947
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: When Michael Michael Smith. Yeah, that's when the team started

948
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: getting better. When we when we drafted Brian Grant, Michael Smith.

949
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 4: We got o p from from Detroit at the time, and.

950
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 5: I had been wanting to play with what was that Pagia,

951
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 5: but Paige.

952
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: Was overseas and and and our team, you know, we

953
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: had to pay to get in. So we had drafted

954
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 4: him three four years and I was waiting to pay

955
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 4: play with him, but we couldn't get him over there

956
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: to play.

957
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: So but we at the time, we.

958
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 4: Got better, We got better, we got better, but we

959
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: had we had some good young players.

960
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: We just wasn't ready for the league at the time

961
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: because it was grown man. Obviously, this is before player

962
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: empowerment and and and guys could really even say anything

963
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: about the situation. You just had to play it out.

964
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: Talks about I want to get out, or you talk

965
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: to management about it.

966
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would talk to management, but quietly, you know,

967
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: just give me an opportunity to go somewhere else. And

968
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 4: they just kept telling me, just wait, just wait, just wait,

969
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 4: we're gonna take care of you. We're gonna take care

970
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 4: of you. You stay, You're gonna be a king forever,

971
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: and and just kept waiting around and then they didn't

972
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 4: want to take care of it.

973
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 5: So so it was tough. It was tough.

974
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, ninety five All Star Game MVP talked to us

975
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: about that day.

976
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 5: In that game, Oh, man, I was feeling it. Yeah,

977
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: I was feeling it.

978
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: And I say, man, every time I touch it, I'm

979
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 4: gonna look at.

980
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 5: That basket, you know what I mean. And Gary was

981
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 5: feeding me. And Gary had a pretty good game.

982
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: That guy.

983
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 4: He had like twelve thirteen cents at that time. But yeah, yeah,

984
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: it worked out for me. The guys was looking for him,

985
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 4: and I think I went like ten for twelve.

986
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: For the game. What did you finish twenty twenty three? Three?

987
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all you need game? Uh, yeah, it wasn't.

988
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 5: No forty fifties like they're doing that.

989
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are those All Star games were like real.

990
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: You guys really played. Yeah you played a little bit.

991
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah you played, especially in the fourth quarters. Yeah, no

992
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: question about it, no question about it. Yeah.

993
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 3: Ended up in Washington after second spent three years there

994
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: with Ra Strickland, Juan Howard, Ben Wallace.

995
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Right now, that's a solid team. Yes, why didn't it work? Man?

996
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: I think sometimes those names when you hear those names,

997
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: when you look at that stat sheet, no questions.

998
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, Eddie Jordan's cool, last Eddie George.

999
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: We're more on your homeboy than your man. Yeah.

1000
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you welcome, You're on paper. We were great,

1001
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And I think at that time,

1002
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: you know it's from the top o down. Yeah, in

1003
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 4: the organization was was not on the same page at

1004
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: that time. And uh but to this day, to this day, yeah,

1005
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 4: and then they having trouble over there. And that's one city,

1006
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 4: will boo you. The Chocolate City is the one city

1007
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 4: that I think I had so much uh road rage

1008
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 4: and anger. Yeah, because you would go out in d C.

1009
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: And every dude think they can hoop, every dude think

1010
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 4: they better than you know, you would have arguments down like, man, yeah, Bush,

1011
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 4: you do that. Everywhere you went in d C. Everybody

1012
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 4: thought that they can hoop. Everybody thought they could play

1013
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 4: for the Wizards. You know what I mean, everybody have

1014
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 4: thought they could play for the Wizards. Man, everywhere you went.

1015
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for my tender a c. You know, everybody,

1016
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: everybody could last stop Lakers O two. Uh you know

1017
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: O G in the game you get a chance to

1018
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: win a ring there. Uh in the midst of that

1019
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: shock and Kobe ninasty run. What what did you see

1020
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: between them and Phil and just that organization on your

1021
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: way out? Phil was very calm and uh.

1022
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 4: They had won the championship two years before I got there,

1023
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 4: and I felt like my time was, you know, getting

1024
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 4: getting to an end. Had an opportunity, uh to go

1025
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: to San Antonio Dallas. Nelly was trying to get me

1026
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: back to go to Dallas at the time, and I said, hey, man,

1027
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go to l A.

1028
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1029
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 5: They don't wanted to in a year to two years

1030
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 5: in a row.

1031
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and J. L.

1032
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 5: Righter was there year before, so I was replacing him.

1033
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 4: And uh, yeah, I've just you know, decided that I

1034
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 4: was going to go to the Lakers, and Kobe and

1035
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: Shaq relationship was great. I mean, that team was That

1036
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 4: was another team that was really kind of they didn't

1037
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 4: hang out, but you know, they had the respect.

1038
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 5: Uh you know each other on the court. But it

1039
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 5: was a good time, no question.

1040
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: Phil was one of the best coaches to really kind

1041
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 4: of keep your paw, your pause, I mean, your poise

1042
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 4: and uh and uh yeah, let's just keep you you know,

1043
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 4: confident and trying to work out situations on your own.

1044
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 4: He always tried to have those teams.

1045
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: You figure you know. Yeah, me and my man was that.

1046
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you was gonna kill him, Yeah yeah,

1047
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 5: you was gonna kill him, yeah yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

1048
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all wanted to kill him, you know what

1049
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: I mean. But at that time, I think, you.

1050
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 4: Know, for me, you were a younger player at the

1051
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: time and I had got a little older, and so

1052
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: for me, it kind of helped me because when I

1053
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 4: was on top, I had players behind me that really

1054
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: supported me, you know what I mean, And I was like,

1055
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: this is the time for me to support the team.

1056
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: My time has passed, and so let me kind of

1057
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: support the team and then just go along.

1058
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: For the ride. Man.

1059
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: So I felt like I could have done more, but

1060
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 4: you know, hey, that was that was up to them.

1061
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 4: But you know, I enjoyed the team.

1062
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: And two thousand and two, Yeah, I was in San Antonio, Yeah,

1063
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: and it was that was bringing any the US Steve Smith.

1064
00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: And I was back.

1065
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was gonna go to Sanatoya the Lakers.

1066
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I decided man, and just yeah, what

1067
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: did you see in Cod at that time?

1068
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 4: Hungry man? Yeah, man, just like you know, and they

1069
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 4: talk about the face. The same thing with Mike, you know,

1070
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 4: and especially the best scores.

1071
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 5: Like.

1072
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 4: They wanted the ball so bad, like it was I

1073
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 4: just had to have it, like anything I needed to

1074
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 4: do to get it. And he would he would fight

1075
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 4: his butt off to try to get it. And you

1076
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 4: know the triangle we were run the triangle.

1077
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: He knew ways to get the especially when and if

1078
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: you really didn't know what it was.

1079
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: Oh, he would mess up to He'll have that ball

1080
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 4: on the right side and you know, Shot could come

1081
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 4: over and he wanted to get on that block and

1082
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: he'll look and he'll pump fake there, throw it over there.

1083
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: Run It's like to that angle. So what she He

1084
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: knew all the little duances of the thing.

1085
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 4: But he was Uh, he was great. The one thing

1086
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: you know you respected about him, he did it in practice,

1087
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And he did it before

1088
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 4: anybody got there. He was the first one there working

1089
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 4: on this game. If anybody did a move on him,

1090
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 4: he was working on it. He was working on her

1091
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 4: that day. So uh yeah, yeah he was cool.

1092
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: Man.

1093
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 5: We had a great relationship and it was cool.

1094
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: Ones.

1095
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 5: No, we never did on one of one was then

1096
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 5: in my career, I wasn't doing all.

1097
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, icy my deeds, you know what I mean.

1098
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: Your relationship with Nike a ba A tempo to sixteen,

1099
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: you talk about your relationship with man.

1100
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I came in with uh wearing Adidas.

1101
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: Uh, everybody did. Yeah.

1102
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 4: I wanted to go to Nike and uh but the

1103
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 4: deal didn't work out at that time. And then I

1104
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 4: was at a didas I think for my first two

1105
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: years and then then with Nike.

1106
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 5: But everybody want to Nikes.

1107
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: Everybody was one of a lot of everybody. Then did

1108
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: they go back to that last picture. Yeah. Yeah.

1109
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 4: They used to take care of me, man, They just

1110
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 4: used to take care of me. I had some nice

1111
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: and I don't even know the names or the shoes.

1112
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 4: Everybody like, man with them shoes.

1113
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 5: I said, Man, I.

1114
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: Don't even know the name Aaron Bacon. Yeah, I don't

1115
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: even know up tempos. Yeah them was hard. And then

1116
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: I went to Georgia.

1117
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're still in the Jordan family.

1118
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: Every once in a while I got to call them now, Man,

1119
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 3: SI me.

1120
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: A box who He sounded like, yeah, sound like a

1121
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: box Man. That Box used to cup all the time

1122
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: about every two months. Yeah, yeah. Box Bro obviously recognized

1123
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: as a Hall of Famer in twenty fourteen. But the

1124
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: transition sometimes it's tough. What was your transition like from Okay,

1125
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm done to what's next? Or time down or family like,

1126
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: what was your transition?

1127
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 5: I think it was easier for me because my years

1128
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 5: in Washington.

1129
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: Golden State had pursued me to come and play before

1130
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 4: I went to the Lakers, and I wanted to work

1131
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: in the front office, and so they was at that

1132
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 4: time Gary Saint Jean was there and we were going

1133
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 4: to try to work out like a seven or eight

1134
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 4: year deal where I play and then move into.

1135
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: The front office.

1136
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 4: And I just felt at that time, I was like well,

1137
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 4: I want to get I want to maximize my money

1138
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 4: as while I'm playing, because it wasn't a big deal

1139
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: doing that eight year deal, so I said, let me play,

1140
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 4: and I still want to come and work for you.

1141
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 4: So once I once I retired, I took off probably

1142
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 4: about a year, and then I started going to start

1143
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: working for Golden State and worked for Golden State for

1144
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 4: a while and that's when we you know, we got

1145
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 4: you guys over there. But but yeah, it was it

1146
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 4: was an easy transition for me, I think, but because

1147
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 4: I still was around it but wasn't doing all of

1148
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 4: the traveling. So it kind of implemented me a little

1149
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: bit where I can, you know, be with my kids

1150
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 4: and be at some some basketball games and do a

1151
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: lot of little stuff like that.

1152
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 5: So it was pretty cool.

1153
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: People don't understand one ship towards the end of your career.

1154
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: The worst part of it is the traveling. No question,

1155
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: you're missing so much or you're always traveling like that

1156
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: was the reason after in Golden State when I won

1157
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: that last year, I don't want to travel. I was

1158
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: missing so much time with my kids. People understand that, yeah,

1159
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: you travel so much.

1160
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 4: You don't even know until you sit down and I

1161
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: can remember how you know, we used to travel great.

1162
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: All of a sudden when you become a citizen man,

1163
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 4: you gotta go through.

1164
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 5: The a.

1165
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: What's going on? You can't random I gotta take my

1166
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: shoes off. That's the one thing about Jack too. Jack's

1167
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: bag on every Golden State PLAYE made stunk the whole plane.

1168
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 3: And I didn't remember when we used to go to Canada.

1169
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: The whole team go there and I'm still sitting in

1170
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 3: customs by three hours. They going through all my stuff, tooth, breast,

1171
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 3: too paste, everything, like, bro, it.

1172
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: Ain't that bad. I ain't killing nobody doing that. I ain't.

1173
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: I just gotta be a little stuff with it.

1174
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 3: You know, we like as players. We know there's certain

1175
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: players doing your NBA career that those guys that everybody

1176
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: cool with that you know, like doing our career, he

1177
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: gonna be working, You're gonna be working for an organizations.

1178
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 3: It was one of those guys that everybody everybody liked,

1179
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: everybody cool with. I think he's gonna be working for

1180
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: a team with his career.

1181
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: Like you're the type of person helped bridge gaps. You

1182
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: still spoke our lingo, but then you could also speak

1183
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: the office level at the time. And that's important too,

1184
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: because not a lot of organizations have that are understanding

1185
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: the importance of that. It's always kind of like a

1186
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: talk down situation. But when you have a mitch there

1187
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: that can translate on a player's mind what we're trying

1188
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: to get to on a higher level, that shit goes. No,

1189
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: it was.

1190
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 4: It was special, man, because I would I love to

1191
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: be around you guys, because I would come down all

1192
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 4: the time at the practice. Yeah, I remember Jack asked

1193
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 4: me came down to one person, you know, man, because

1194
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: I think at the time somebody was telling you that

1195
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 4: that they got you, like man who traded for me.

1196
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 5: I'm like, come on, Jack, we ain't gonna do that.

1197
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 5: A doing that man, come on, man, you know who.

1198
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: Got you know? Yeah, exact, let me go back. We

1199
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: know he took credit, but we know you, bro. I

1200
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: was scared to make that deal. We're like, man, come on, we.

1201
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 3: Need some fire man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm bad. I'm

1202
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: glad we had you in Christian office. Yeah, somebody with

1203
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 3: some experience.

1204
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: Exactly. When you sit back, now that's a Hall of

1205
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: famer and the accolade you have, like what comes to

1206
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: mind about your career.

1207
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 4: What's so dag quick fast right? Fourteen years fourteen fourteen years?

1208
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 4: And if I look back, man, I retired twenty two

1209
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 4: years ago. That's crazy. I just can't fathom it.

1210
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: I know.

1211
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 5: Sometimes I wake up and be like, man, I got

1212
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 5: to go to a game, you know what I mean?

1213
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 5: I got a gain to night, like, then my legs

1214
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 5: feel up. That's a lot.

1215
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: Then you're trying to put it. That's a lot. That

1216
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: first step out of bed. Yeah, oh no, that's not true.

1217
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: That's a lot, man, Nobody calling me whatever. Who do

1218
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: you feel in this current game right now is let's

1219
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: take Lebron out the pitch because he's almost done. Who

1220
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: do you feel is you know, best player, top two

1221
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: players in the game right now?

1222
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's such a hard question because you know,

1223
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 4: you got so many great players. I love Kevin Durant.

1224
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 4: I love what he I mean, he's one of those scores.

1225
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 4: He's like Iceman, like he can score from all across

1226
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 4: the court.

1227
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: He does it in so many ways.

1228
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 4: You know, we got to talk about Curry like he's

1229
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 4: one of one, you know, And I tell people all

1230
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 4: the time.

1231
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 5: Curry is the the best worst shot taker in the world.

1232
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: He makes them.

1233
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 4: And when you see him take shots, now you don't

1234
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: think you're like, oh man, that's a bad shot, Like, man,

1235
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 4: is that going to go in?

1236
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

1237
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: So that takes practice and and coaching. I coached at

1238
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 4: Saint John's coaching the younger players. They don't understand that.

1239
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 4: They just think Curry just stepped out too. And I

1240
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 4: can do it too, and think about it. He's he

1241
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 4: doesn't look like he's that strong. Shoot that way we were.

1242
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 4: Some people have to throw that shot, and for him

1243
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 4: to make that look like a shot is very remarkable.

1244
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 4: And then you got some young players coming with the

1245
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 4: young fello out at ok Se man that's.

1246
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: Doing his thing. You know, I like me in Minnesota.

1247
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 5: I like Booker. I love Anthony Edwards.

1248
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: Yes, I love his wag, what he stands for, and

1249
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 4: he's continued to I saw him as a sophomore in

1250
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 4: high school and I was like, WHOA.

1251
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 5: Back then I thought he was gonna be nice.

1252
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

1253
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's so many great players, man, a lot

1254
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 4: of time, a lot of talent that I like to watch,

1255
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 4: uh and see guys.

1256
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: I think to speak to your point with Steph my

1257
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: founder year there I used to really enjoy sitting and

1258
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: watching him and KD shoot after practice because everything that

1259
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: everyone thinks is a bad shot or might be luck,

1260
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: they work on it. That's right, the off balance, the

1261
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: off hand, all the deep one footed falling out of bounds,

1262
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: like they train and shoot those shots on daily, every

1263
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: single day. I was there him and Katie after practice

1264
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: on the same court working on this stuff. You would

1265
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 1: see a six three dude doing it, and you would

1266
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: see a seven foot doing the same ship.

1267
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 5: And you you got to give, you know, Clay his respect.

1268
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: Three shots out of one hundred, Claire shoot a hundred

1269
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: shots after practice, miss two or three.

1270
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 5: Miss two or three? Man, I mean he's handling it

1271
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 5: with grace.

1272
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: I know.

1273
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 4: It's just like any player when you when you get

1274
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 4: to a point where they you know, they put you

1275
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 4: on the bench. I think the organization is really trying

1276
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 4: to find out find a way to make sure that

1277
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 4: they don't disrespect him anyway. But I think, you know,

1278
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 4: he had a good game the other night. For me,

1279
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: I always said, I think, I think what what would

1280
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 4: help him?

1281
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: Man?

1282
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 5: And I love him to death.

1283
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 4: I think you know, getting some inside shots, you know

1284
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 4: what I mean, and not you know, relying on all

1285
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 4: just the three point shot I think will help him.

1286
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 4: But but I love clay Man. One of the guys

1287
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 4: that I remember, Mark jacksonally said it years ago that

1288
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 4: they were the best two shooters that he and we

1289
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 4: were like, man, come on, man, you talk about and

1290
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 4: now you see it.

1291
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: That's true.

1292
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: And and Mark made that statement when it when it

1293
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 4: was a popular when yeah the baby, and I agree

1294
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 4: with him, best two shooters.

1295
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: Who did Money bring Rico and you to Saint Jones

1296
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: when he was there? No, Rico was there before. Yeah, yeah,

1297
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: I was saying something about going back with Money out there.

1298
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah he was.

1299
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 5: I think they had talked about it, yea at one

1300
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 5: point in time, but didn't. It didn't work out.

1301
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: Rico understand his his knowledge of the game and been

1302
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: around the game and the way people gravitate to him

1303
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: and respect him because I feel like mentioned you know,

1304
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: because you've been around the game. To me, these days,

1305
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: it's less about X and Os. It's more about relating

1306
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: to the players question. And you get these players to

1307
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: believe in the ultimate team goal. And Ricos up one

1308
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: of the best in the world and doing that.

1309
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 5: And we were the one who was the first one

1310
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 5: who hired Rico.

1311
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 4: You know, we were the first one who's hired Rico

1312
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 4: at Golden State because we saw that, you know what

1313
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 4: I mean, he had a great relationship with with Ball

1314
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 4: and all you guys, and he was working our players

1315
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 4: way then. So you know, we we feel good about that.

1316
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 4: We gave him the start. Yeah last night, happy birthday,

1317
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 4: said nothing about us.

1318
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Mitch, we appreciate you. This is the last

1319
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: home stretch now, so the first thing to come to mind,

1320
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: let us know we got start you off with a

1321
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 1: tough one. Okay, top five shooting guards of all time, man,

1322
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: and you better be in there, in.

1323
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 5: There, no question about that, no question.

1324
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: M j Uh. What else you got?

1325
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 5: You got Kobe, no question, you got d Wade. Uh,

1326
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 5: you got me and Clyde.

1327
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: There you go put in there?

1328
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I mean.

1329
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: You gave.

1330
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 4: Because well I put it this way. Usually they would

1331
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 4: have me out of there. They have Reggie in there,

1332
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 4: So I put.

1333
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: Myself in there. So since went in down and just

1334
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: give us your pin on. Regie Miller. Tough man. He

1335
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: was a tough, tough player.

1336
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 4: He was different from any other guy because you couldn't

1337
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 4: give him space and he was a dead eye shooter. Uh,

1338
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 4: and so he would run you around so many screens.

1339
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 4: I can remember the first time I played Reggie. I

1340
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 4: don't know, he wouldn't cut his nails.

1341
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: Or something like Hamton. Yeah, he said.

1342
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 4: He scratched me up so bad the first time I played.

1343
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 4: And then I remember I say Reggie. I ain't say

1344
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 4: Reggie to him, but I said to myself, I'm not

1345
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 4: gonna cut my nails next time.

1346
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to do the same thing, you know

1347
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1348
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 5: Scratch me like that.

1349
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: I bruise easy, you know what I mean. So I

1350
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: had to make sure I cut my name. Yeah.

1351
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 4: But Reggie Richard is a good friend too, great player.

1352
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 4: We played on the lip team together, had some great battles, uh,

1353
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 4: but got.

1354
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 5: A lot of respect. Childhood crush, childhood crush.

1355
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 4: Jenny Jackson. Man, remember Jenny j Janney Jackson came to

1356
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 4: Lottter Hill Mall. She came to Lotdter Hill Mall, fl

1357
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 4: lot of their floor.

1358
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: How old were you, man?

1359
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 5: I don't know, I can't remember, man. I know she

1360
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 5: was looking at me.

1361
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: That was that was flat top to Yeah. I had

1362
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: some ways waves back then. Okay, I ain't get the

1363
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: curl until I got.

1364
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 5: I know she was looking at that eye cunt.

1365
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,479
Speaker 1: That's good, that's funny. The next question is best basketball shoot.

1366
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: But you said you didn't really pay attention to sh

1367
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm a flipping I'm a flippant. Okay, what's your what's

1368
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: your one album that you could play from front to back?

1369
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 4: Oh man, let's see definitely the run DMC album. Uh

1370
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 4: it was so at that time. Let's see l L

1371
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 4: cool J. I keep going back to him, but no,

1372
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 4: l L was nice, Uh cool.

1373
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 5: Mo d its tough d West Yeah, come on man,

1374
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, and we all played uh n.

1375
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: W A, I'm back and forth. You know. I love

1376
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: when B d K and L L was going. Oh

1377
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: yeah right there, Yeah that was good. Most underrated player

1378
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: of your generation. Underrated player me say that? Yeah yeah yeah,

1379
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: we guilty pleasure.

1380
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 4: Oh man, you should love an La ice cream. I

1381
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 4: don't eat that dumb more. I'm a plat based Yeah yeah,

1382
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 4: yeah that I went plant based by eight years ago.

1383
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 4: I love it, man, now, I love it.

1384
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: You can feel it.

1385
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 5: I can feel it, man, And no joys hurt look good?

1386
01:03:59,080 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: Nothing?

1387
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, bro, I eat a lot though, but just you

1388
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 5: know just working out, so you don't.

1389
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: Want none of that good old soul food back there.

1390
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 5: I love that.

1391
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: I wish I could.

1392
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 4: I know you guys have a good time over there. Yeah,

1393
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 4: I got a little salad question. It's hard to get

1394
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 4: some plant based food in Indiana.

1395
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: And too many plants out here.

1396
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I ain't eat nothing, but hummus.

1397
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: I love is good. One thing you wish you were

1398
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: better at?

1399
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 4: One thing I wish I was better at mm hmm.

1400
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 4: I was saying that if I didn't play ball, I

1401
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 4: was gonna be a singer. Everybody so if at R

1402
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 4: and b RB, Yeah, I wish I was a better

1403
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 4: singer because I'm really good in the shower.

1404
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,479
Speaker 1: Everybody is. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1405
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could see one game us on our show,

1406
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 3: who would it be? But but you have to help

1407
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 3: us get your answer on the show. I have to

1408
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 3: get by it.

1409
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: What you have to help us get the answer. So

1410
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: somebody you know, okay, somebody okay, haven't been on here

1411
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: that you know real well been on here.

1412
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 5: Let's see what would that be?

1413
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: Man, Molly, tim there's a few yeah, my guys yet

1414
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: and I just seen him in the airport.

1415
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 4: What oh no, got his number two. You got to

1416
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 4: get Tim Buggs. I would help with that.

1417
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: I would help money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got some

1418
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: stories to Mully, got some story mitch Man. We appreciate

1419
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: your time, thank you for coming through and obviously, like

1420
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: I said, with always a lot of respect for your

1421
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: game and we're you know, the real ones. Know. I

1422
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Bro, appreciate you, Miss Rinchman.