WEBVTT - Jill Montgomery

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<v Speaker 1>This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at

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<v Speaker 1>production of The Black Effect and I heart Radio. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Smith Senior and I'm a little John And this

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<v Speaker 1>is cut to it. Good do it, Good do it.

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<v Speaker 1>They's getting down to do it. Good do it. We

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<v Speaker 1>asked the questions you always want to know, but no

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<v Speaker 1>one ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't heard

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<v Speaker 1>am about it? Then we're about to let you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's all and we're gonna starting five, three to go. Steven,

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<v Speaker 1>how's it going? Man? Going good? You got a big

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<v Speaker 1>smile on your face, and I think I know why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that? We are overdue for good old episode

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<v Speaker 1>of big dummy hit there from one with Tom b

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no you big, you gotta set you gotta set

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<v Speaker 1>the stage for this one. I have to Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>got you sent me the video. Okay, which one are

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<v Speaker 1>we doing? Because there are several dummies in the world

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<v Speaker 1>right now, let's talk about the one from the San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego Zoo. Here we go. So alright, people you know

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<v Speaker 1>usually pay your money post pri whatever pandemic party you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be on. But it's pretty standard. You pay

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<v Speaker 1>your money go to the zoo. Now, most people but

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<v Speaker 1>every so off the song, dumb person decides they want

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<v Speaker 1>to test entomos. Have you ever thought about testing the animals?

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a big no for me. Now. Pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much when it says do not feed the animals, do

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<v Speaker 1>not enter whatever, I pretty much follow those rules. Why

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<v Speaker 1>first off, is because my mama told me to. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of that's pretty much the you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I live by. Not everybody listened to their mama, but

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<v Speaker 1>continue maybe for you, but for me, I just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I just kind of learned those rules were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if if that says do not touch, do not feed,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just don't push those kind of boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>I really can't. In this particular story where a man

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested at the San Diego Zoo, he took his

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<v Speaker 1>two year old um girl past the fence past where

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<v Speaker 1>it says do not didn't take it past. He climbed

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<v Speaker 1>into the exhibit, went beyond, went beyond the boundaries of

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<v Speaker 1>the elephant exhibit with live I think it was Asian

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<v Speaker 1>and African elephants. Yeah, Asian and African elephants, um endangering

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<v Speaker 1>his two year old daughter. So bypassing multiple barriers, including

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<v Speaker 1>an electric fence, police told the station. Kg TV police

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<v Speaker 1>told the station the man allegedly wanted to take a

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<v Speaker 1>photo with the Asian and freaking elephants. He took a

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<v Speaker 1>selfie holding his child. Afterwards. A witness told ABC ten

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<v Speaker 1>that she was grateful to see the man and the

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<v Speaker 1>girl is successfully escaped without any injuries. But the man

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to drop his child as he attempted to get

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<v Speaker 1>away from the elephant after the elephants started charging at

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<v Speaker 1>the both of them because he was hitting up the

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<v Speaker 1>deuces holding his baby, so he wanted to get a selfie,

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<v Speaker 1>and of all the things that you dropped at that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>he dropped the child. Well, he kind of saw the video.

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<v Speaker 1>He dropped the child trying to get through the electrical

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<v Speaker 1>fence so he doesn't get shocked and dropped her butt off.

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<v Speaker 1>Be an apologist for this behavior, I'm not. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>setting it up, Like I'm just really just setting up

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just watched the video several times, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>the sad part was is I was I didn't find

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<v Speaker 1>it funny or met all. Yeah, what's sad is like

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<v Speaker 1>we're at the place where we want to get inside

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<v Speaker 1>of the cage to take a picture for what likes comments,

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<v Speaker 1>and and those boundaries are there for a reason. And

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<v Speaker 1>I get what kind of in a day and age

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<v Speaker 1>where people people people people push boundaries, right, people people

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<v Speaker 1>don't always follow rules. And while I may not agree,

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<v Speaker 1>I see it. But in this situation, these barriers are there,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know for a reason. If there's a barrier

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<v Speaker 1>preceded by an electric fence, you may not want to

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<v Speaker 1>go past said fence, especially not with your child. Exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the one one uh tweet this show and it reads

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<v Speaker 1>this dumbass baby daddy takes picture with elephant. But what's crazy, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is we're starting to see this more and more where

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<v Speaker 1>people are willing to just get the like and willing

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<v Speaker 1>to risk themselves and their child. What's crazy? And then

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<v Speaker 1>he gets arrested rightfully so, yeah, rightfully so, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't get it. I don't understand. Like, but here's

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<v Speaker 1>the worst part though, the worst part is that this

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<v Speaker 1>father is growing up raising his child, who now this

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<v Speaker 1>is an example of protection. Yes, so as a whack

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<v Speaker 1>As example, I saw that, I was like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>and like they had to tell him, like, hey, there's

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<v Speaker 1>the elephant, and that's more than anything you had to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it wasn't just all right, I'm just gonna hop

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<v Speaker 1>this little wire fence. So I'm just gonna I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>go mosy through this gate, like you had to go

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<v Speaker 1>past the gate, then pass the electrical fence, then you

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<v Speaker 1>drop the child, Like, man, how dunk can you be?

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<v Speaker 1>You n cole, bloody dummy, super dumb. But they just

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<v Speaker 1>keep rolling in. Every time I see something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, how much more stupid can people get? And

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<v Speaker 1>then there's yet another video. I'm not can you you're

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<v Speaker 1>a big dumber? There's always in a sad and and

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<v Speaker 1>and and not to make fun of it, but you

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<v Speaker 1>also it's more just kind of really saying like how

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<v Speaker 1>stupid people are and where we're at right now that

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<v Speaker 1>people want to get that stuff on video on picture.

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<v Speaker 1>So sad Indictmond, sad Indictmond. But congratulations because bigger dum dumbing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's pretty good. Yeah, that's a good one. So, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>who we got coming up on the cut to a podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>We've got Joe Montgomery, a current broadcast with ESPN. She's

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<v Speaker 1>also the CEO of Four Leaf Productions and a former

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<v Speaker 1>USA Track and Field star. Joe Montgomery on the cut

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<v Speaker 1>to a podcast. M you hear that's my Black Irish

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<v Speaker 1>walkout music. Also that's that's not like it should be

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<v Speaker 1>a wwe like Black Irish, the Black irishman's name els right,

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<v Speaker 1>or the three studies right. That's that's that's gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>as kids three two we have I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>fan favorite, but it's really a personal friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>and also someone who only the very few people who

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<v Speaker 1>walk this earth who are allowed to talk to me

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<v Speaker 1>in the way that she talks to me, like my mentor.

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<v Speaker 1>And also um, good friend Jill Montgomery. J Jill, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the cut to the podcast. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been waiting for this day. MM. We've never had

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<v Speaker 1>someone who anticipated the participate not all the time. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>one never verbalized it. So let's go sta keep you

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<v Speaker 1>on your toes man, Jill. Our first segment is called

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<v Speaker 1>get iced Up. You may have heard of it if

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to our podcasts. It is our version of

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<v Speaker 1>Icebreakers their random questions Smitty has selected might be a

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<v Speaker 1>follow up? Might not? Who knows Smitty go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>give her the person. Well, Jill on this podcast in

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<v Speaker 1>my world, I can ask you a double barrel question.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't want to everybody what why you said that? Though?

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<v Speaker 1>So a double barrel question is in um in journalism

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<v Speaker 1>is when you ask more than one question, and the question,

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<v Speaker 1>which my coach and mentor tells me, when you asked

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<v Speaker 1>two questions, or some people ask three questions in one,

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<v Speaker 1>they never answered either one. Sometimes they never because you

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<v Speaker 1>forget the first question by the second one, and you

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<v Speaker 1>forget the second one at the third one. Double barrel

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<v Speaker 1>because this is this is your show. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a session with me where we're making you better

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<v Speaker 1>on the NFL network. This is all This is no

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<v Speaker 1>holds barred, You do what you want. I'm game, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do have fun with it. However, I still

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<v Speaker 1>am practicing all of my notes that I still have.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. All right, let's go. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to ask te yes you okay, We're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>ask t F you all right, which she tells me, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>shut them and let us and as f W, I say,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's your down person, answer the question. Don't be

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<v Speaker 1>super excited. So that's why, all right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready, Jill? I am ready? Okay, here we go,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want to leave? Everything? Taking anything, nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>not your bank account, not your safe He's just let me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll keep my bank account. But I want to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to leave the negativity, the the the division,

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<v Speaker 1>the people becoming puppets and sheep. I want to leave

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<v Speaker 1>all of that in. I want people to reinvent and

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<v Speaker 1>find faith in one. I want I want all the

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<v Speaker 1>negativity and everything that that encompassed to stay. The hell there,

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<v Speaker 1>oh here. I love that answer. I like that answer too.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. If you had to ride amusement park ride

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<v Speaker 1>twenty times in a row, let's say Disney World, Space Mountain,

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<v Speaker 1>Small World, or the Teapot ride is a row, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I would do the Teapot twenty times in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna. I'm gonna throw this back on you. As

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I may have dabbled in professional athletics in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. I cannot go on a Merry Go round,

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<v Speaker 1>any carnival rides, the zipper, the you know whatever and

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<v Speaker 1>anything that spins and turns and what and all My

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<v Speaker 1>friends could and I never could. And I didn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>why I would get sick, violently sick, throwing up like

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<v Speaker 1>gravy eyes out my nose sick, asked my doctor once.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, why can't I ride carnival rides? And he

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<v Speaker 1>said professional athletes. Some of them have such insane hand

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<v Speaker 1>eye coordination that their body processes every move and it

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<v Speaker 1>throws their equilibrium off. That is correct. I've been since

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little boy. When I spin around, we

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<v Speaker 1>used to have this wooden lean leanable, the wooden chairs

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<v Speaker 1>that lean spin around. When I was a kid, we

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<v Speaker 1>used to spend and spent me too much, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have been Mr Queasy ever since. I cannot do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got them bad guts. He doesn't have bad guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because you have ridiculous hand eye coordination. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so so which one? So you so you are eliminating

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<v Speaker 1>the teapot ride? Correct? I would. That's when I would

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<v Speaker 1>ride twenty times in a row. Don't they go around

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<v Speaker 1>and around? Yeah, there's it's the little kid one, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like I've been there multiple times. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>never get on that. I think that was like the

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<v Speaker 1>worst one. I mean, the kids say, oh Dad, you're scared. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't. Here's why I can't do space Mountain though,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not the tallest dude. But you can see

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<v Speaker 1>the bars in there and it's pretty scary. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do small world times in a row. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you two your late night go to snack ramen

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<v Speaker 1>noodles out of the pan, not even putting it in

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<v Speaker 1>a bowl underneath the towel. Raman chicken flavored ramen noodles.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm judging. Are you judging? Why are you judging it now?

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<v Speaker 1>Just because I eat it so much as a kid

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<v Speaker 1>that I just I can't do it. But back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, like you do the stove top ramen noodles,

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<v Speaker 1>you put the pack and then sometimes you get the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of chicken. And that's what I'm saying, is that

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<v Speaker 1>the old school just the regular classic chicken rama noodles,

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<v Speaker 1>not the crazy ones they have now, but the old

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<v Speaker 1>school ones where you had to boil them in the

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<v Speaker 1>water and then add the packet sauce in it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I always drained most of the water out and and

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<v Speaker 1>ate it that way. I didn't make mine as a soup,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what? I do love them cup of

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<v Speaker 1>noodles the same thing. What what do you mean you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna judge me on my ramen. It was just just

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<v Speaker 1>easy because just add the hot water to it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it tastes better shrill like the shrip was always

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<v Speaker 1>wagged though it was chickens. My mouth likes it. Wow

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<v Speaker 1>dry On a second, why are you judging me because

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<v Speaker 1>my showing I can is my time to get back

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<v Speaker 1>at you? I not. I just love to just say

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<v Speaker 1>it because it just felt good. Jill, all right, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really it was I didn't know what you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say. It was just fun to It was just

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<v Speaker 1>fun to have you all here and and and rash

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit because of how much you give

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<v Speaker 1>me such a hard to know where is the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me clarify something. You hard time. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>start your ego. No, when I say she gives me

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time, what our first couple of sessions, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if I didn't have the confidence that I had in myself,

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<v Speaker 1>she would have crushed me. Don't scare people, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the session, would you? Well? I told she was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to write stuff down, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I am, I was writing it down. Is what she

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<v Speaker 1>tells me is it's unbelievable. Makes me think right, because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't go to school to be to do communications.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't go to school for I didn't even think

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<v Speaker 1>i'd be doing it today, right. And so there are

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<v Speaker 1>some technical things that if you have not been schooled

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<v Speaker 1>on it, you don't know. Now you learned them, but

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<v Speaker 1>you you were starting from scratch. I was from scratch,

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<v Speaker 1>like box and milk or or water, that's how scratch.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like literally just baby steps. She went in

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<v Speaker 1>like a true athlete and just went in full go.

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<v Speaker 1>And it took me back a little bit because I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't expecting, you know, a. I was expecting her to

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<v Speaker 1>be to be honest, a little bit gentler, and she wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>We go up and she turns on the film. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're skyping, and the whole time I'm like, I was

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<v Speaker 1>skyping this person and and my agent, Hey, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you really like this. She's really good, and I'm coming

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<v Speaker 1>because I had someone before and we were doing some

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and I'm like, you can't wait. You're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be too just coach me, And so it didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>work because they were the way they were doing things,

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<v Speaker 1>that was their style. I picked up some things that

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<v Speaker 1>I can use and this, some other things whatever. Well

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<v Speaker 1>with Jail the first session, she was just so on

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<v Speaker 1>me and then she so we skype and she's playing

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<v Speaker 1>back my film. And as she's playing it back, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you thinking on this, Steve? And I'm kind of like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what I wanted to say. I don't remember what

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking in two months ago. Hell I really remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, unless I write it down, I'm not going well.

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<v Speaker 1>Last Thursday I had tuna, and a week before that

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<v Speaker 1>I had I don't know, my belly knows. What we

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<v Speaker 1>had wasn't healthy or unhealthy. So she's winding it, rewinding it.

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<v Speaker 1>What were you thinking on this? What were you trying

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<v Speaker 1>to spit out? Spit it out? Man like? She just

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<v Speaker 1>hit me and wow, I don't really think that those

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<v Speaker 1>were my words. That's how I felt. You were saying

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<v Speaker 1>it right, And here's why, here's why you're an athlete,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you played, what was the easiest way for

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<v Speaker 1>you to go see what you were doing right or

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<v Speaker 1>wrong on the field? You had to go sit in

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<v Speaker 1>in film? Right? Yes, and so what I have to

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<v Speaker 1>do with somebody like you, who is a huge personality

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<v Speaker 1>on TV works for a huge network, but has that

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<v Speaker 1>athlete mentality. Is I now have to adjust and say,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, how can I break this down frame by

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<v Speaker 1>frame for him so that not only that he gets it,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets it and takes it back to the field

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<v Speaker 1>and goes and does it better. Ye, but I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just wasn't I appreciate you today and then at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment a little back because first of all, you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't expecting probably that from It had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with your sport that you did or didn't play, and

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with your sex. I haven't played

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<v Speaker 1>the sport, but it's like I'm coming at you. You listen,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nobody knows a game of football more than you.

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<v Speaker 1>You are the expert. You know hands down so much

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<v Speaker 1>about the game that what my job is is to

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<v Speaker 1>get it out of you. And I had to establish

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<v Speaker 1>in that very first session how it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be so that you trusted me. So what did you

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<v Speaker 1>see in Steve as an endless from the from the

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<v Speaker 1>very initial session, I think he can actually be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best ever on television. And I told his

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<v Speaker 1>agent that, I said, he has all of the tools

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<v Speaker 1>to be literally not just another NFL guy going to

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<v Speaker 1>the bow right. We we've seen that a million that

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<v Speaker 1>that song has been played million times. But hands down

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<v Speaker 1>the personality, the intelligence, the knowledge on the game, but

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<v Speaker 1>also how he encompasses his everyday life and what he

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<v Speaker 1>does in preparation with his families, his charities, his things.

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<v Speaker 1>When you have that more of a soulful approach to

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<v Speaker 1>everyday life, you can put that into your work. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I met him, I mean I knew it was

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<v Speaker 1>I knew who he was. I knew just the peripheral.

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<v Speaker 1>But when in that first session, when we started talking

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<v Speaker 1>and I started to get right off the bat kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what he was made of, I was like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I can I can make this guy a star. Not

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<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't already, but if I was like I could,

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<v Speaker 1>if he listens any trusts, I can make him so

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<v Speaker 1>much better on TV that people are gonna want him

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<v Speaker 1>and and and we're doing that. I think clearly the

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<v Speaker 1>proofs in the pudding. But yeah, I know he I

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<v Speaker 1>think he can be one of the best ever on

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<v Speaker 1>time with me. So that my duty. But she was

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<v Speaker 1>hard on you. Thank you, Jill. We have to take

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<v Speaker 1>a break and the morning thing, we gotta pay some bill.

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<v Speaker 1>You got checks. I love cut to It, and I

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0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.080
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0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.399
<v Speaker 1>where you can buy merch and you can subscribe to

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<v Speaker 1>us wherever you listen to podcasts. I got all my

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<v Speaker 1>answers questions. Um, yeah, I got all my questions answered.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm here for, a brother, cut to a

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast dot Com. You know, I have to give you

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<v Speaker 1>credit there is there were some things inside of me

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<v Speaker 1>that I didn't know it was there, and so why wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I continue to work with you. It is the improve

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<v Speaker 1>on camera presence, but more it has allowed me to

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<v Speaker 1>be okay with the uniqueness of how I think. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why is why this podcast is where it is

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<v Speaker 1>today is because of the great team I have around me,

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<v Speaker 1>but also people like you, like KBS in my life

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<v Speaker 1>that has said hey, you can be you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just harness it a different way. This is the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to do that is dive deeper into who people are. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what they what? What are they made of? Right? And so, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we want to know about you, Jill. And

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<v Speaker 1>who's your childhood sports team growing up? My childhood sports

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<v Speaker 1>team growing up were the Celtics and Notre Dame. M hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh why Irish family. I grew up in an Irish

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic family, you know, blue color, working class montana. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we grew up. We didn't grow up with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. I mean it was, you know, a contrary

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<v Speaker 1>to popular belief. I wasn't born with the whole set

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<v Speaker 1>of silver flatware in my mouth. Um. But we we

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<v Speaker 1>just grounded out. And and when you're growing up and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have a lot of money, you you appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the things that you you can watch or that you

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<v Speaker 1>can see. And being able to watch those teams on

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<v Speaker 1>TV it was a treat. You know. Now we have

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<v Speaker 1>so much, there's just so much access to everything. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just overload. But when I was a kid, it's like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we could watch the Old Lake or Celtics series. Come

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<v Speaker 1>on it. To me, it just doesn't get any better

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<v Speaker 1>than that. And I, you know, I'm an Irish kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and you you learn to really appreciate and live your roots.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it was the Celtics and Notre Dame football. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that I didn't go to Notre Dame

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<v Speaker 1>broke my mother's heart. But Notre Dame's track and field team, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no disrespect to them, that it's an incredible institution. But

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<v Speaker 1>I I the PACT ten at the time was the

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<v Speaker 1>best track and field conference out there. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go to Notre Dame. You said you didn't grow up

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot. Yeah, but but not a lot at all?

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<v Speaker 1>What is Jtgomery journey or definition of a lot? Because

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<v Speaker 1>there are people listening and there are people in studio

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<v Speaker 1>who not a lot varies. Yeah, yeah, um, I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a that's a great point. It's a great question. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we grew up in and I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in low income housing. My parents my parents were divorced. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd spend the school years with my mom, summers with

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<v Speaker 1>my ad um. But my mom was a nurse raising

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<v Speaker 1>three kids, and and we lived on what what most

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<v Speaker 1>people called, at least in Montana, you know, the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>side of the tracks. It was low income housing. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't there wasn't a lot of extra There wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cars at fifteen and and you know, new

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<v Speaker 1>school clothes every year and stuff like that. It was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my mom would work and we would come

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<v Speaker 1>home from school and make a snack, which would have

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<v Speaker 1>been maybe a bowl of cereal or something, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she come home and we'd have a very simple dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was times when birthday parties didn't have cake,

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<v Speaker 1>birthday parties didn't have anything but my sisters in a

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<v Speaker 1>birthday card. Um. And you really learned to appreciate the

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<v Speaker 1>things around you, you know, going outside and we played

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>in irrigation ditches, we played in fields, we played in trees. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>There was you know, there's just there wasn't brand new

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<v Speaker 1>bikes at Christmas and things like that that kids had.

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<v Speaker 1>But that I think a lot of people take for granted,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was my definition of not a lot. Growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in low income housing and you have your neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>kids that you play with and your sisters and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom worked her ass off and my dad was

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<v Speaker 1>retired military, um and and growing up that way, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell you, looking back, I wouldn't have done anything

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<v Speaker 1>different because man didn't make me tough. It made me

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<v Speaker 1>a survivor, and it made me learn how to no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how many times stuff didn't go my way, or

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<v Speaker 1>I got knocked down and I was an athlete and

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<v Speaker 1>I would lose, or I wanted to be the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I just came back with just relentless pursuit. And and

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<v Speaker 1>it's because I grew up that way. I think if

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<v Speaker 1>I would have grown up in a you know, both

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<v Speaker 1>parents married, both parents working cars at fifteen, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>what what would be equivalent to WiFi nowadays? Back then,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have had the path that I had. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think our tids and I'm saying my kids, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think our kids, especially in this pandemic. There are

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 1>kids who are looking at this pandemic as the worst

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>thing in knowing the mankind, and it is pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 1>They're also a generation to this day, right now that

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<v Speaker 1>they can stand up ten years from now and say,

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<v Speaker 1>we are the generation that came through a pandemic. We

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<v Speaker 1>are a generation that we have succeeded and been through

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, and we come up out of this better

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<v Speaker 1>and stronger. But instead, suicide rate is alcoholism, is domestic violences.

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 1>There's a ton of things that are up. But you know,

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>it isn't up our ability to check in with each other, right,

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<v Speaker 1>to have conversations, have conversations, Have conversations not be transactional.

0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>And we're still operating in the Instagram transaction and the

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>TikTok likes, the the snapchat stuff, and and this generation

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:10.639
<v Speaker 1>is all about exposing, all about tablettelling, but none of it,

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:16.199
<v Speaker 1>it's really about bill, none of its leaving the spaghetti

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:19.880
<v Speaker 1>the leftovers, right, Spaghetti and chili are so much better

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 1>days after and next day. Yes, but the generations want

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>they wanted hot, spicy right now. But you gotta let

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you gotta let that those seasons get up in there

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 1>and sitting chilling, going room temperature out of room temperature, freezing,

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. But these kids don't want that they

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>wanted today right now. And that's what I think growing

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 1>up in the generation that we grew up in without

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<v Speaker 1>the technology that we have. And technology has been a

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>huge part of this, But the access for me is

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.479
<v Speaker 1>nobody needs the amount of access that we have right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And and and Steve you know this just as well

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 1>as I do, and Fellows you probably do too. You

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 1>can't go on anywhere where someone's not going to have

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>a camera on you, and you can't go and hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with your boys in a bar, shoot the ship

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<v Speaker 1>and be talking about what you want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in the manner that you want to talk about it with,

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<v Speaker 1>not somebody having a cell phone camera and you catching

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>it and then it ends up on Sports Center or

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Twitter or something going viral. The access that we have

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>to everything, I think has made our children nowadays they

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>have no social braces, They have no idea how to communicate.

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean when we grew up, we were My father

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 1>was in the military and he the manners, the table

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>manners are huge in our family, and we were we

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a lot, but what we did have were manners, morals,

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and boy, you lived by the Golden rule and you

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>treated every single person that you came across the way

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that you wanted to be treated, and if you didn't,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>you got your ass looked and and you get a

0:29:54.520 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 1>community one too. It wasn't just the cousins. Yes, Pauline

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>could give me a weapon like you got free reign

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>like it really was. I think what we're all saying

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>is it was a village. I don't feel there's mentality anymore.

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Like remember back in the day, if you want to

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>go play with your boy, you want to go play

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>with your best friend or your girlfriend, you have to

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>go and not on the door. On the door for

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 1>me here you can don't come out and play. You

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>get so much about your upbringing and growing up in Montana.

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>How did that shape your perspective on how you see

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the world today. It has shaped my perspective on how

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:40.479
<v Speaker 1>I see the world as the limits for me as

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>a person don't exist. Um, I can do anything. I

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>can help anybody do anything. And I want other people

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>to have that perspective of cut out the media, cut

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>out you know the technology that the things we see

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>on the news, the things were being fed and go

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 1>into what you have in your heart and your soul

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>in your mind, and you can go and you can

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>achieve anything. Some my parents and they called it a Gillism.

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>If they wanted me to do something, they would tell

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>me I couldn't do it. They're like, yeah, I bet

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>you can't do that because they knew that once I

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>got challenged, like you're not gonna tell me what I

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>can and can't do, and and that so so growing

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>up in Montana and having that very kind of salt

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>to the earth and the people that are there as

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>salt of the earth, Montana is amazing. And you you

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>you look at it as Wow, there's no ceiling on

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>what I can do. And I just took that ball

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>and ran with it. In every facet of my life,

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>I think we skipped over something. But you know, just

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of tell us, you know, where are you from

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>in a place you call your hometown. So I it's

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>a little town called Anaconda, Montana. Anaconda like the snake. Yes,

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I was born in a mining town called Butte, which

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>is twenty miles from Anaconda. I grew up in Anaconda

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>through just like the first or second grade, and my

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>parents had divorced, and then I moved to Billings, Montana,

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of on the kind of more central

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>eastern side of the state, and lived the school years

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>with my mother, and then I would go back and

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I'd lived the summers with my father in Anaconda. So

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>when we when we grew up, Anaconda's home. When I

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 1>go home, it's Anaconda. My my aunts and uncles, my

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>grandparents were there before they died. Um My childhood friends,

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 1>the little neighbor kids, the Stirregars were always there. Um

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 1>And so when I go home, I go there, and

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>then also Missoula, because we spent a lot of time

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>in Missoula. But you know, it was a mining town.

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 1>It was a small, blue collar mining town. Now it's

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>a retirement town, it's a ghost town. Um, but it

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>was again, it was nothing but outdoor activities. Kicked the can.

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>We'd go on hikes, and we'd played hot box. I

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>played softball. I always played with the boys. I mean,

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I had a couple of female friends, but I was

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>one of the boys growing up. And and I was

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was a little I was a rat.

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>What sports did you fall in love with other than

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>hot box? I grew up playing softball, and I grew

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>up playing basketball, and then I ran track. Okay, but

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I actually was. I was better in basketball than I

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>was running track. But I didn't go to school on

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>a basketball scholarship. I chose track instead. What was so

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>intriguing for you? And track? I could go a lot further?

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I felt, Um, you know, the w n b A

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't super huge back in my day. Um And and

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I had some very nice scholarship offers to some very

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>big schools for basketball. UM, but I knew that track,

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.240
<v Speaker 1>being a little more all year round, in the different

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>areas and platforms I could go compete at at even

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>at my age, I know I could compete at a

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>higher level. UM, and I could go further. So I

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:24.359
<v Speaker 1>chose track, all right, finished finished this sentence. There being

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>a female college athlete in the late nineties was ah, wow,

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that's a nice Uh, that's a nice little statement. Was

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>life shaping. It allowed me to unlock other avenues of

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 1>exposure for myself too, journey into other fields of not

0:34:54.840 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>just athletics, but learning how to relationship build um, cultivate

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>those relationships into business relationships, which I still use to

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>this day. UM. And it just gave me a springboard

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 1>into the next level of my life. Hm. Why do

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>you think sports has that effect on individuals? We just

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>had a conversation about this last week. Uh, how sports

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>can shape you way past just how you perform on

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>the field on the track. How much it builds life

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you you dance around it. Let's just cut to the chase.

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I said that you can tell you can you you

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:43.400
<v Speaker 1>know who's an athlete, who is it m based on

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 1>how they deal with criticism or you know, controversy or

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 1>just uh evaluation. Like in the business world, you could

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:58.399
<v Speaker 1>tell who is or isn't an athlete that played beyond

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the seventh or eighth grade. And that's because you have

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 1>a you have a layer of skin on you that

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>cannot be penetrated. You have thick skin that that it's

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>like and you can't talk to athletes the way we

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>were talked to back in the day now because everybody

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 1>gets offended and everybody has this you have to you

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 1>have to you know, coddle and do this stuff. It

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>we were we were brought up in an era that

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you did your job no matter what it was, at

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>all costs, and how you got better was to grit

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.320
<v Speaker 1>it out. There was no shortcomings. And the relationships that

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you built with your teammates when you're going through the

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 1>trenches with somebody and and you know they're hurting and

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:48.319
<v Speaker 1>and and experiencing success and doubts and all the things

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>that we go through as athletes and second guessing and

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 1>questioning if we're we should be there or shouldn't be there,

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>or how good we possibly are and oh my god,

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 1>do I deserve this and not being able to handle prosperity.

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 1>You learn how to harness all that, and you've got

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.839
<v Speaker 1>a crew around you that's going through the same stuff. Yeah,

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you bet your ash. You're gonna be tough and you

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 1>can take a lot of criticism and you have I

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:14.359
<v Speaker 1>think discipline and responsibility moving forward in life that most

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>people don't have. Preach, girl, preach. So I did a

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>little bit of research track at Kansas State. It is

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the it's formerly the Big Eight, but now it's the

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Big Ten. Well, I thought you're gonna come with a question,

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>and if you knew this, I was gonna be really shocked.

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, what's the fun fact I didn't do his homework?

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, go ahead, finish your thought and then I'll

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:50.239
<v Speaker 1>tell you No, I'm okay now day that balloon just

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>got deflated. What was so amazing about, uh, the Big Eight?

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Then that I think some mommy is not as challenging.

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.759
<v Speaker 1>There's one of two guys, But I mean they they were.

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Every team had had their their guy or girl. There

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 1>was no sense of entitlement um back then. And and

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing that I see now as a as

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 1>a broadcaster. You know, call him the world's best track.

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Um is when we grew up in the Big eight

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.879
<v Speaker 1>and and my last year was the very last year

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>of the Big eight. And that's what I thought. You

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>had this nugget. I was actually the very last Big

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>eight champion. Wow, well I did see that that you

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>were and then went to the Big the Big twelve.

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>But my we didn't have what our coach said goes.

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>There was no questioning him. There was no getting out

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>of practice. There was no oh, well you know, I'm

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm having um, you know, issues with my boyfriend or

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I you know, I need to study for this. It

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>was you get your you get all of your stuff

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 1>done before you came to practice. And if you didn't

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 1>have it done, we we had study table all that stuff.

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 1>There was no sense of entitlement. You showed up, you

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:14.320
<v Speaker 1>did your work, and you competed your guts out. And

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 1>now what I see is I had a conversation with

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 1>my coach the other night. I still talked to my

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>college coach. I talked to that man probably twice a month.

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And yeah he is. He is one of the biggest

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 1>members on what I call my board of directors in

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 1>my life. I call him about everything and I was

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:38.320
<v Speaker 1>having a conversation with him about just you know, the

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 1>thing is that how COVID affected last year and now

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:42.959
<v Speaker 1>the scholarships that are going to happen and all this stuff,

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and and the entitlement that athletes, collegiate athletes that I

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 1>see have that they just think it's automatic. It's like, Oh,

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go to school and everything's gonna be taken

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:55.440
<v Speaker 1>care of and I really don't have to do as

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.240
<v Speaker 1>much work to learn. And when I competed in college,

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:02.320
<v Speaker 1>there there was none of that there. There was absolutely

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 1>none of it. So it made us just grittier. I

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 1>think it made us tougher. Now the talent level is

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot higher now. The talent level is insane now

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>at collegiate athletics. It's you don't have one superstar on

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.359
<v Speaker 1>a team, You've got twenty. You look at teams now,

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.359
<v Speaker 1>especially in track and field, it's not like, oh, there's

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 1>one two runner that's a stud. Every single event now

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.799
<v Speaker 1>is three and four deep with athletes that can run

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>at the world level. So the talent level is so

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:37.479
<v Speaker 1>much higher now. However, that's been built over the last

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>thirty years because of the access that younger athletes now

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 1>had to better coaches, better nutrition, all the technology, all

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>of the recovery stuff. We didn't have that. I mean, Steve,

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>you know when you go back to your You're playing

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>days before the NFL and you got done off the

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:59.359
<v Speaker 1>practice field. You didn't have cryo therapy. You went at

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:01.839
<v Speaker 1>your ass in an ice tub that was thirty five

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.239
<v Speaker 1>degrees and it was steel and it sucked. That's what

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 1>we had. When I go back to my college, now,

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 1>these guys in nutrition and they have a whole facility

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>where each individual player has his favorites movie. Yeah, mill

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 1>replace its movie. Now my problem is, I'm I'm paying alumni.

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Your ass can't catch thought, but you have right and

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 1>so it's it's amazing at all the technology and all

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 1>of things of advance. They have events, but it's still

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 1>about the XS and oh right, at the end of

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the day, it's like, if you don't perform, none of

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 1>that stuff matters. But again, going back to the same concept,

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the way I grew up, man, we grew up tough.

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:55.839
<v Speaker 1>We grew up having to be the person that made

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the difference in our own lives. We didn't have a

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 1>plea thoraw of team around us. That coddled us, cared

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>for us, and they were like, rub some damn dirt

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>on it and get your aft back out there. I

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:14.839
<v Speaker 1>think it's about that time. Just take a little breather. Good. Good,

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>let's get down to do it. Good. Hey Gerard, why

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>did you get that T shirt? You mean this thing? Oh? Yes,

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.359
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0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:28.520
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0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.080
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0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>on buy you a T shirt subscribed to us wherever

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 1>you listen to podcasts. How did you get into broadcasting?

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I knew I always wanted to be a sports broadcaster.

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.399
<v Speaker 1>But when I came out of college, um, I knew

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna compete post grad. Um. I ran for

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Nike for five years, and I stayed at Kansas State

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:54.360
<v Speaker 1>and trained with my collegiate coach. But when I left

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 1>all of that and I retired as a professional athlete,

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I moved to l A because I I never had

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 1>a life. I was always representing somebody or some institution, right,

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.800
<v Speaker 1>So we didn't get to be jerks. We couldn't go

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:10.839
<v Speaker 1>to quarter beer and night on a Tuesday. We didn't

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 1>get spring break. We didn't get any of that. I

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 1>never had any of that growing up because I was

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 1>always in athletics. And so I decided, all right, listen,

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I know I want to be a sports broadcaster, but

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:25.720
<v Speaker 1>let me go be as ratchet as I can before

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I decided to settle down and go to work. Because

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I knew the second I decided I was going to

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 1>go into broadcasting, I had to eat, sleep, and drink it.

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to party, I wanted to travel. I

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>wanted to So I moved to l A and I

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 1>took a job as a personal trainer and parted my

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 1>ass off and I and I didn't have to worry

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.839
<v Speaker 1>about getting into trouble. And and let me tell you something,

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>my first couple of years in l A. I enjoyed

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>them to the hilt. It was it was. It was

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. And then I decided, at the

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>age of thirty six, that it was time to start

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 1>this career because in sports broadcasting is not a job. Steve,

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>you know this, This isn't a job. This is a career.

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of different what I considered jobs.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 1>I was I was an agent, I was a manager.

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I had my own fitness company. But I knew that

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 1>sports broadcasting was what I wanted to be long term

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 1>and be the best at I just I did all

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the other stuff to build up to this, and and

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:30.520
<v Speaker 1>so I decided that thirty six, um, that it was

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 1>time and I was gonna eat, sleep, and drink it,

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>because that athlete mentality, you're gonna do it, You've got

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>to do it that way. And I hired a talent

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>development coach. I hired a me Now, I mean his

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.880
<v Speaker 1>name was Lou Riggs. God rest his soul. He was

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a broadcaster way back in the day, and he taught

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.399
<v Speaker 1>us sports broadcasting class at Santa Monica College, and um,

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 1>he actually developed quite a few people that are on

0:44:56.719 --> 0:45:00.839
<v Speaker 1>TV still today. And I hired him, and the guy

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 1>kicked my ass weekend and week out. I took the

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>class one summer, and then when I decided to be

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>a broadcaster, you know, we didn't There was no FaceTime,

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>there was no there was no zoom, there was none

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 1>of this. And so I had to drive out to

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 1>his house and seem Valley with my DVD that I

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 1>cut myself in an editing bay, and he would rip

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>me apart every week until I got my gig at ESPN,

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>and then he just recorded my my games and and

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:28.799
<v Speaker 1>I'd still drive out there and sit in his living

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.799
<v Speaker 1>room and he ripped me apart. Now I see how

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.919
<v Speaker 1>it came back full Sarka, She's teaching out of old

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 1>wounds continued, I'll tell you, I would have never ever

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>thought that I would have my company now and do

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing, and knowing that it stemmed from that,

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 1>but it was because people asked me. They're like, well,

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>how did how so old when you started? And I was,

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean shif, I was thirty six, and people are like, wait, what, like,

0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>you're going to go be a broadcaster? Like you don't

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you have broadcast journalism as a major? No? I

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't have any of that background nothing. I was as

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>raw as they came. And they're like, you're too old,

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:22.919
<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna I'm like watch and and I went

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:26.359
<v Speaker 1>to him relentlessly, And I say this to this day.

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm going in my eleventh year at ESPN as a

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.560
<v Speaker 1>track and field analyst, and there is no way in

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:35.880
<v Speaker 1>hell I would be where I'm at had it not

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:41.720
<v Speaker 1>been for mu Rigs. How is the broadcasting business? Forward's

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>females whether there's young Um you said by your words

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and you are old MH. I was, But you're reporting

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 1>about men or women performance. You don't have to be

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 1>a certain age to just report the news. There's there's

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:09.719
<v Speaker 1>age ism in I'm sure not just this industry, but

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 1>of many industries with agents. Let's look at what's on

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 1>television right now, right you you see younger, more attractive

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 1>men and women than you see old, stodgy whatever. And

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm saying is at the age of thirty

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:33.320
<v Speaker 1>six starting this, I was told it was going to

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 1>be an uphill battle because I was thirty six, not

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:41.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty six. I did that information impact you? It fueled

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>me because I was like, watch this, I'm going to

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 1>prove you wrong. There was a guy at Fox that

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 1>sat me in his office and told me that I

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>was starting this so late in my life and that, um,

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have enough experience. And I did go to

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>broadcast journalism school. So I really had an uphill battle

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 1>and I probably should rethink if I really wanted to

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 1>do this. MHM already trying to talk you out of it,

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and and he and he was condescending about it. I'm

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 1>not going to name who it is. What's so funny

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 1>is that years later a member of his family was

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 1>my runner on a network broadcast. He got up and

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:35.279
<v Speaker 1>had told me, uh, you know, year a couple of

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.720
<v Speaker 1>years after that, had said, oh, once I got hired

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 1>by NBC to do all the track and everything, he

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:43.239
<v Speaker 1>brought me. I went in because I wanted this. I

0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>wanted this specific job. And I went back a couple

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 1>of years later to try to get it again. And

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, well, what you've accomplished in the last

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:53.880
<v Speaker 1>eighteen months is just an incredible feat. And it was

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>just so missachanistic. And I looked right at him and

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, I told you I was going to be

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:03.279
<v Speaker 1>back here. I said, it's not an incredible feat. I said,

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:05.320
<v Speaker 1>it's exactly what I told you I was going to do.

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.279
<v Speaker 1>And I and then years later a member of his

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>family was my runner, and he came out onto the

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:16.439
<v Speaker 1>track and was in, you know, I was trying to work,

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:18.439
<v Speaker 1>and he was trying to talk to me, and I said,

0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:21.320
<v Speaker 1>if you don't mind, I actually don't know how you

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.480
<v Speaker 1>got out here because you don't have a credential, and

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna need you to leave mhm. And then you

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:34.960
<v Speaker 1>made his family member go get you coffee. No, I

0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>just I know it was it was. It was very

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 1>nice to the family member, but it was just funny

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 1>how he treated me in the beginning and then once

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:49.320
<v Speaker 1>he lost his job and was no longer in that position,

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:54.400
<v Speaker 1>how he tried to act towards me on the back end.

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:57.239
<v Speaker 1>And this is something that I tell every single one

0:49:57.280 --> 0:49:59.919
<v Speaker 1>of my clients. And you've heard this out of my mouth, Steve,

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 1>this I tell everybody. You'd be nice to everybody, every

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 1>single person you work with, your A two, people that

0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.719
<v Speaker 1>pull cable, people that do your makeup, people that bring

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 1>you coffee, whatever it is. You'd be nice to every

0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>single person that you see on your way up because

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.800
<v Speaker 1>you're going to see him on the way down. Wow.

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 1>That's great advice. I hold on to it. Yeah, now

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 1>you do you you always do a great job with it.

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Not blowing smoke, but you respect every single person I'm

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 1>on set with all the time. Jee when you give

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 1>when you give us an oh shit moment in your

0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:41.520
<v Speaker 1>broadcasting career, Yes, I will never forget this. It was

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:48.439
<v Speaker 1>per due at Ohio State and track football, all men's

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:53.680
<v Speaker 1>basketball Perdue Perdue Ohio State Men's basketball Super Tuesday Prime Time.

0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:58.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm on the broadcast with Dave O'Brien and Dick By

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 1>tal I had. I had talked to the s I

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 1>D that I was gonna take produce head coach Matt

0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Paynter at half, and I said, what tunnel are you

0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 1>coming out of? And he pointed to this to the

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:15.719
<v Speaker 1>tunnel on one side. Well, where I was sitting. You

0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:18.440
<v Speaker 1>go position yourself with like a minute left in the half,

0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 1>in the corner so you can grab the coaches he's

0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:26.800
<v Speaker 1>coming off. It was the exact opposite corner of the arena.

0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I am. I am diagonal across the court and I

0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the horn goes off and they start walking just to

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the opposite tunnel. You see the wide shot if you

0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 1>can find this game, you see the wide shot of

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the court, and you see me in Stiletto's sprint kitty

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:51.799
<v Speaker 1>corner across the entire court. And I grabbed coach Painter

0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 1>right as he's stepping off of the of the little

0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 1>cement thing. And he didn't know he was getting interviewed,

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:00.279
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if the s I D dropped

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the ball or not. And I got him and go

0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 1>coach right as Dave O'Brien's tossing to me, and he

0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 1>turned out and goes, damn it, Jill, you're gonna tell

0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:10.080
<v Speaker 1>me you're gonna interview me and Dave bows and Jill's

0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:16.320
<v Speaker 1>with coach Painter and I'm like, like, coach, and I

0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>thought I thought of a tight question, but I was

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.959
<v Speaker 1>so rattled and he screamed at me. Now the screen,

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:23.759
<v Speaker 1>he didn't scream at me. It wasn't on tape, but

0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:26.759
<v Speaker 1>the timing of Dave tossing it to me and Matt

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 1>yelling at me, I said, I was like, oh, but

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I finished the interview. I conducted it. It was tight,

0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:39.680
<v Speaker 1>it was clean, but it was it was That was

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:43.319
<v Speaker 1>a very big oh moment, Jela. Last segment is called

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the Deep Three, and they're just three questions where we

0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:48.880
<v Speaker 1>allow our guests just go to a deeper level. So

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Smitty give her the first question. Jie you you you

0:52:52.360 --> 0:53:00.319
<v Speaker 1>run track, gymnastics, basketball, You've been around football, track, feel

0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:04.080
<v Speaker 1>you have covered everything. If I can give you a

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:14.920
<v Speaker 1>mulligan in your professional life, what would you read to up? Uh?

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I would read to up my collegiate athletic career, and

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't take it as serious as I did, I

0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 1>would have enjoyed it better. Instead of constantly criticizing myself,

0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I just would have let up and not have taken

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:40.440
<v Speaker 1>it so serious. So that internal dialogue was was fierce.

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Mhm it was. I think it inhibited me from being

0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:50.800
<v Speaker 1>even more successful as an athlete. Um. However, on the

0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:54.239
<v Speaker 1>flip side of it, because it did happen and I

0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:57.000
<v Speaker 1>could reflect on it when I walked away from the sport,

0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.680
<v Speaker 1>It's set me up to be more success full in life,

0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 1>in the in the adventures that came in front of

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 1>me because I lightened up. Mm hmm. What's a milestone

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 1>in your career that you'd like to achieve? I want

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.760
<v Speaker 1>to be the head of talent development at a network,

0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 1>So question to a what's a mouston in your personal

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 1>life you'd like to achieve? I? You know, I would

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 1>like to be m looked at as somebody that has

0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:49.400
<v Speaker 1>been a huge influence for others. I think that just

0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:52.359
<v Speaker 1>when people talk about me, I think the milestone would

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:56.160
<v Speaker 1>be you know she, she really really was an influence

0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:58.279
<v Speaker 1>in my life. She helped me she I think that

0:54:58.280 --> 0:54:59.759
<v Speaker 1>would be a huge moles on for me, is just

0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to be looked at as that type of a relevant figure.

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:09.520
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. What's your parents both of your parents have

0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:14.480
<v Speaker 1>instilled in you what you guys dealt with obviously with

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the divorce and what in how they they spent their

0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:25.080
<v Speaker 1>time parenting your your siblings, quality of life, that you

0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:28.520
<v Speaker 1>are going to come up against people that have more

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:31.880
<v Speaker 1>money than you are, more successful than you are, more

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:35.080
<v Speaker 1>famous than you have things that you don't have. And

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:36.759
<v Speaker 1>on the flip side of that, you're going to come

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:40.279
<v Speaker 1>up against people that don't have what you have and

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:44.360
<v Speaker 1>have struggles and need help and and no matter what,

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the quality of life is the golden rule, and you

0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:52.920
<v Speaker 1>treat people the way that you want to be treated,

0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 1>regardless of what they have or they don't have. That

0:55:57.280 --> 0:56:00.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody's quality of life and needs to be respect did

0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:04.800
<v Speaker 1>that's aweso? Can I? Can I finish the question now? Okay?

0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 1>So what's your parents have instilled in you on how

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 1>they did it? What do you think they will say

0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:26.279
<v Speaker 1>about Jill Montgomery today? Um, that I did it my way.

0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:32.520
<v Speaker 1>They call it gillis ms. I never I always danced

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to the beat of my own drum. I never got married,

0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:38.319
<v Speaker 1>I never had kids. I didn't do what my sisters did.

0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I never did what the the norm did, and I

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:46.520
<v Speaker 1>think that they knew that I was always going to

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:51.399
<v Speaker 1>be different and no matter what I did, no matter

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:53.000
<v Speaker 1>what I said I was going to do, I did it.

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:56.560
<v Speaker 1>My way has been honor and privileged, especially for me

0:56:56.719 --> 0:57:00.279
<v Speaker 1>because Gerard has been We've been in an office and

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Gerard has heard I've had the close has heard, I've heard,

0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I've heard a couple of you heard a couple of sesssions.

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.120
<v Speaker 1>And He's like, brush, she wouldn't line at all. All

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of this is authentic. He's like, who is talking to you?

0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Like that? They have allowed me to sharpen my craft

0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and really and really look at this as a craft

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:26.040
<v Speaker 1>appreciated girl by guys. Love y'all. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a unique person. You are well worth it,

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<v Speaker 1>You are competent, and most of all, your lovable. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Smith singor I'm Gerard Little John and this is

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<v Speaker 1>cut to It. Cut to It with Steve Smith Senior.

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<v Speaker 1>That Is Me is a production of Cut to It LLC,

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<v Speaker 1>Baltol Creative Media, The Black Effect, and I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>For more podcast from my Heart Radio, visit I Heart

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<v Speaker 1>Radio Apple Apple Podcast or wherever you listen to your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite shows. From Cut to It, Executive producer Steve Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>singer co host Gerard little John, talent in booking manager

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Fusci, Social media team Wesley Robinson and John Show

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<v Speaker 1>from Balto Creative Media. Cut to It is produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Balta Chevic and Meredith Carter, with production assistance by

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Lebrec. Production Coordinator Taylor Robinson. Theme music by Alex Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>lyrics and vocals by Anthony Hamilton. You ain't heard am

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<v Speaker 1>about it, then we're about to let you know. It's

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