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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does the name slender Man

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Speaker 1: mean anything to you? Well, I luckily went my entire

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Speaker 2: Now, why did.

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Speaker 1: Two seemingly normal young girls from Wisconsin try to murder,

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Speaker 1: stabbing repeatedly their little best friend, even going through an

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Speaker 2: The Oh gosh, what can I say?

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Speaker 1: Nocturnal, mythical, creepy slender Man in his mansion in the woods. Yes,

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Speaker 1: two seemingly normal students lure their friend tried their best

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Speaker 1: The whole sleepover was a murder sleepover. Well, in the

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Speaker 1: last days, one of the two, the oldest, the Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: girl convicted in the infamous slender Man stabbing, wants a

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Speaker 1: release Imnancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here at Crime stories and

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Speaker 1: on serious xem one eleven. Does it never end with

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Speaker 1: these two the cold, calculated and callous stabbing of a

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Speaker 1: one of the two Wisconsin girls who repeatedly stabbed their

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Speaker 1: their appeal. Morgan Guyser was just twelve years old when

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Speaker 1: and a Milwaukee suburb in twenty fourteen. And not only

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Speaker 1: Seemingly everything is normal, if not great, And now this

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Speaker 1: now Morgan Geyser pled guilty to first degree attempted homicide.

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Speaker 1: arguing Geyser should have been charged with second degree intentional homicide,

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Speaker 1: a mental health facility. Morgan Geyser, now twenty one, is

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Speaker 1: this case, that's irrelevant because they're in a mental health facility.

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Speaker 2: So what happened that night?

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Speaker 3: Your emergency walks.

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Speaker 4: To Conny Lennam transfermb A caller on Big Bend at

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Speaker 4: Came up on a twelve year old female two peers

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Speaker 3: She appears to be wet, STAPs stabbed. Okay, sorry for there. Yes, hi, sir,

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Speaker 5: Yes? She says she's having trouble breathing. She said she

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Speaker 5: Ah? I didn't even look. I don't see anybody.

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Speaker 3: I just see dried blood. Okay, just dried blood.

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Speaker 1: Hearing a nine to one one call. That becomes even

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Speaker 1: more chilling when you real lies. The victim is.

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Speaker 2: A twelve year old little girl. Listen to our friends

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Speaker 7: Wire tild police planning the attack made her scared, but

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Speaker 7: Howl Crey Guyser says. The victim Peyton had been her

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Speaker 6: Where the baby?

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Speaker 9: I'm wanting to hurt people the floor, but they're not.

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Speaker 1: Nice to me, a little girl saying before, I wanted

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Speaker 1: Peyton Lawtner speaks out, joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: Jason Ocean's renowned defense attorney in the New York, New

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Speaker 1: Jersey area. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years of the Seattle

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Speaker 1: Police Department, twenty two years homicide detective, author of Homicide

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Speaker 1: The View from Inside the Yellow Tape. Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensicks Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet,

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Speaker 1: renowned forensic psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Bober, joining us out of

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Speaker 1: the Florida jurisdiction right now to crimeonline dot Com investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter Levi Paige Levi, take me back to the night

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Speaker 1: this little girl was stabbed multiple times, left for dead,

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Speaker 1: You'd think it was a sex office or a registered

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Speaker 1: it's two little girls.

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Speaker 10: May thirtieth, twenty fourteen, Morgan Geyser is celebrating her birthday.

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Speaker 10: She had turned twelve, and she invited two of her classmates,

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Speaker 10: her friend Peyton Lutner, and Anissa Weir, who are also twelve,

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Speaker 10: over to her home. They went skating, They ate frozen yogurt,

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Speaker 1: Okay, stop stop, stop, stop right there, Jason Oceans, you

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Speaker 1: know what it is, things like Levi Page just said,

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Speaker 1: Jason skating, birthday cakes, manicures, pedicures for the little girl's

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Speaker 2: For the little boys.

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Speaker 1: But this is just like every other kid's birthday party.

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Speaker 1: Jason Oceans, You've got two children.

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Speaker 2: You've lived through it.

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Speaker 4: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: It makes it worse to me. Jesseph Scott Morgan, You've

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Speaker 1: lived through plenty of trials.

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Speaker 2: When it's a wolf in.

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Speaker 1: Sheep's clothed Joe Scott that this was supposed to be

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Speaker 11: Wouldn't you think twelve years old, who's going to expect

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Speaker 1: To doctor Daniel Bober, it's like one, let me just

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Speaker 1: compare it to a little old lady you pass in

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Speaker 1: You don't see it coming, expl What am I trying

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Speaker 12: Well, I answer you, it's a little bit different than

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Speaker 12: an old lady. A twelve year old doesn't really have

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, you don't see it coming, Bober. I know

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Speaker 10: Bober.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I agree with you.

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Speaker 6: You definitely don't see it company.

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Speaker 12: It's not something you would ever see coming.

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Speaker 13: That's it.

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Speaker 1: I've already said that, doctor Bober. You're going to have

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Speaker 1: Well, you're certainly right about that, Levi pagec. All you

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Speaker 2: Let's just go back to the party. What happened.

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Speaker 10: So then they had a sleepover, and after the sleepover

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Speaker 10: They went for a walk, and this was Morgan Geyser

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Speaker 1: And this is after they have to spend the night

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Welcome back to Crime Stories. The

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Speaker 1: Saga of slender Man, where two little girls attack their friend,

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Speaker 1: claiming they did it to appease the fictional character slender Man.

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Speaker 1: The case won't go away now again, one of the

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Speaker 1: We're admitted to luring Lautner from a sleepover to a

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Speaker 1: We're stabbed Lautner nineteen times while urging Geyser to do

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Speaker 1: At the time, they had to kill Lautner to become

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Speaker 6: It's Friday Night in Walkeshaw, Wisconsin. At Milwaukee's Peyton is

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Speaker 6: getting ready to celebrate her best friend, Morgan Guyser's birthday.

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Speaker 6: At that slumber party, Peyton was so so excited. The

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Speaker 9: I made friends with her when I saw that she

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Speaker 6: Also, at that sleepover, Anissa Wire, who was new to

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Speaker 9: They layed up in Morgan's s bedroom, ran up and

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Speaker 6: And I mean, it was just a normal night, but

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Speaker 9: And Nissa told me to lie on the ground and

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Speaker 13: Sticks and leaves and stuff. But it was really just

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, And now this one wants out to walk

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Speaker 1: free amongst the public. I do not want her for

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Speaker 1: invite her to your house. But how did the whole

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Speaker 3: Don't be afraid at patch.

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Speaker 5: Up on top of the fellas shot her.

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Speaker 9: Reply, And do you remember when it started kind of,

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Speaker 9: I didn't feel anything because my body was in shock.

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Speaker 13: So they told me to lay down, you'll lose blood.

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Speaker 9: Slower like we're gonna go get help to get off

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Speaker 9: trying to get up.

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Speaker 2: He said that she could walk and.

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Speaker 8: Just that she can breathed, and they told her they

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Speaker 8: were going to go get her help. But Anissa flat outside.

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Speaker 14: No, we weren't getting the help. We wanted her to die.

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Speaker 9: I got up and then just walked until I hit

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Speaker 14: I could lay down.

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Speaker 6: A bicyclist notices Peyton bloodied and lying in the grass.

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Speaker 6: He calls nine one one.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing our friends at ABC twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: That was David. You were with Peyton along with Detective Tressoni.

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Speaker 1: Did you notice Jesse Scott Morgan that the little victim

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Speaker 1: then twelve year old Peyton says, by the way, when

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Speaker 1: you hear them refer to Bella, that's her nickname. Peyton's

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Speaker 1: nickname is Bella. Did you hear her say I didn't

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Speaker 11: Well, that means and she's actually in some of her

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Speaker 11: interviews she's gone on to say that she was in shock,

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Speaker 11: because she would have asked why did not feel anything.

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Speaker 11: It's a primal response that we have to being attacked

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Speaker 11: like this, And Nancy, this little girl will stab nineteen

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Speaker 11: after a period of time, the body is beginning to

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Speaker 1: Man, I've always heard of your body going into shock

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Speaker 1: and you don't feel things. You know, Jason, you and

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Speaker 1: I have discussed this many many times. Jason oh is

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Speaker 1: with me, veteran defense attorney in the Tri State area

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Speaker 1: in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania. Jason, I always wondered

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Speaker 1: about my fiance when he was murdered, shot five times

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Speaker 1: But I also know that when he got to the hospital,

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Speaker 1: even after all that, he was physically still alive, his

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Speaker 1: heart still beating. So I guess it's a blessing when

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Speaker 4: For sure, Nancy, you know, as the doctor said, that's

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Speaker 4: a natural reaction, and you know, you listen to the

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Speaker 4: she reacted that way, and the twelve year old the

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Speaker 4: scenario of what happened to her, she explains it and

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Speaker 4: the only natural and in some way a blessing that

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Speaker 4: she doesn't feel that physical pain of being stabbed nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Times, doctor Bober, what is that instinct when you are

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Speaker 12: Free well, Nancy, they talked about fight or flight, but

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Speaker 12: it's really fight flight or freeze, and that's the freeze,

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Speaker 12: and the freeze is sort of what we called dissociation.

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Speaker 12: We're disconnected from your thoughts and your emotions when you

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Speaker 12: become too overwhelmed. That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: That's what this little girl was saying that she didn't

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Speaker 6: Listen, do you remember leaving the park to go to

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Speaker 13: They just wanted to go on a walk, and I

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Speaker 9: It's in walk, Ashaw, like what bad stuff happens in

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Speaker 9: Waukeshaw was sounding. Denisa told me to lie on the

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Speaker 13: Sticks and leaves and stuff, but it was really just

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Speaker 5: Down.

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Speaker 3: What do the students.

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Speaker 4: Suppose?

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Speaker 2: Stand?

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Speaker 3: Stand?

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Speaker 15: Stand stand?

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Speaker 6: When you hear them describe two investigators Anissa telling Morgan

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Speaker 6: just to do it. I think that the word was globalistic.

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Speaker 13: Oh I remember that.

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Speaker 9: I do remember them chatting right next to me while

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Speaker 9: I was just laying.

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Speaker 1: There, stabbed nineteen times and left by her attackers to quote,

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Speaker 1: who miraculously survived, her mom says. Doctors claim that they

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Speaker 1: found one of the stab wounds about an eighth of

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Speaker 1: an inch between life and death. How could two twelve

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Speaker 1: year old little besties do something like this? St our

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Speaker 4: After the stabbed or nineteen times, they encouraged her just

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Speaker 2: For what they really want her to do was bleed.

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Speaker 6: Out in the woods. Do you remember what you said

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Speaker 9: I trusted you, and then they told me to lay down,

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Speaker 9: you'll lose blood slower, like we're gonna go get help.

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Speaker 14: Did she try to get up?

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Speaker 9: She couldn't walk and just dashed and.

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Speaker 8: They told her they were going to go get her help.

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Speaker 8: But Anissa flat outside.

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Speaker 6: Now we weren't getting the help.

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Speaker 14: They wanted her to die.

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Speaker 6: Do you remember the moment they left you?

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Speaker 9: I think I remember them running away, but I kind

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Speaker 9: of just laid there for a minute.

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Speaker 6: You walked out of the woods.

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Speaker 9: They got up, grabbed a couple of trees for support,

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Speaker 11: It's amazing that she had the strength to do that

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Speaker 9: When I told her that the girls were in custody,

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Speaker 8: The girls were ultimately arrested for first agree at ten

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Speaker 4: Twelve year old girls had it planned for six months

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Speaker 4: to kill their friends.

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Speaker 8: You don't often see this with adults, and to have

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Speaker 8: this happen between twelve year olds is absolutely horrifying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where are you sell body now?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 10: I said it was still out there.

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Speaker 6: And did you think that she died? Yea, she is alive.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 6: Have you ever watched any of those interrogations.

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Speaker 13: I watched a little bit.

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Speaker 6: What was your reaction.

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Speaker 9: It was a little shocking to me to see that

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Speaker 9: they had this big, huge plan that they had been

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Speaker 1: Months, A big, huge plan they had been working on

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Speaker 1: for months. A little girl has to spend the night

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Speaker 1: three of them go for a walk, and the two friends,

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Speaker 1: Morgan Guyser and Anissa Weir, execute a long planned scheme

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Speaker 1: to murder Peyton Lawner, just twelve years old, also known

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Speaker 1: as Bella, the legal odyssey surrounding the fictional character slender

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Speaker 1: Man goes on I'm remembering a particular photo of defendant

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Speaker 1: guys that are wearing bloody clothing, the blood of her

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Speaker 1: little friend after her twenty fourteen attack, and when she's

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Speaker 1: being let out of court, acting like what happened? This

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Speaker 1: is what happened. He tried to murder your best friend,

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Speaker 1: it was described. During the attack, guys are told Lautner,

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Speaker 1: don't be afraid, I'm only a little kiddy cat, and

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Speaker 1: then stabbed her. Lautner actually spoke out about the attack,

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Speaker 1: which left her traumatized for months, covered in twenty five scars.

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Speaker 1: The girls ran out of the woods, leaving Lautner for dead.

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Speaker 1: They told to because they thought Lawner was dying. They said, quote,

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Speaker 2: We were going to run a letter pass away.

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Speaker 1: A huge plan that they had for months.

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Speaker 2: But why listen.

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Speaker 6: This is where the story takes another turn. What happened

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Speaker 6: with fictional character on the internet.

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Speaker 8: So they called the prey about Shaki explos like poor

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Speaker 2: And there's one of the called planet who's wonder.

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Speaker 1: He's alman and grave on children.

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Speaker 12: That is ah well, she should like explaining generals from his.

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Speaker 8: Back and.

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Speaker 9: Strangle the victims from the prey Pasha when he said

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Speaker 8: Though, Anissa explained to me that to prove yourself worthy

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Speaker 8: to slender you would have to kill somebody.

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Speaker 1: You have to kill someone to go live with slender Man.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend David Murrror and detectives during the

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Speaker 1: investigation of the attempt to stab little twelve year old

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Speaker 1: bella dead Levi page with me crime online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative journalist who is slender Man.

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Speaker 10: So this is a fictional character, Nancy that is very

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Speaker 10: prevalent in Creepy Pasta communities and Creepy Pasta Communities is

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Speaker 10: like horror stories that people tell on forums like Reddit.

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Speaker 10: It's very popular there. And this is a guy that

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Speaker 10: someone drew an artist, and he has a featureless face.

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Speaker 10: He's tall, thin, he's often wearing a suit. He looks

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Speaker 10: very ghost like, and he likes to stalk and traumatize

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Speaker 10: children in these creepy pasta stories. He also uses mind control.

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Speaker 11: To tell them what to do.

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Speaker 10: And apparently Morgan Geyser was obsessed with slender Man. When

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Speaker 10: law enforcement got a search warrant for her room, they

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Speaker 10: found drawings of slender Man. She had researched him on

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Speaker 10: they also found that she had been thinking about murder

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Speaker 10: for a long time, because months in advance of this attack,

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Speaker 1: Well, there's everything you need to show pre meditation. To

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Speaker 1: defense attorney Jason Oceans, the girls tell police they were

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Speaker 1: convinced to murder their little friend Peyton Lautner known as

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Speaker 1: Bella by slender Man. Slender Man's not real, Jason, He's fictional,

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Speaker 1: and how can both girls have the same psychiatric delusion

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Speaker 1: talking about all of Epstein's guards in the jail. How

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Speaker 2: Murdering their little friend. They are murderers, Nancy.

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Speaker 4: I analogize this type of you know, mind control that

447
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 4: the young lady placed in this slender Man character to

448
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Speaker 4: you know, Jim Jones or any cult or David Koresh

449
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 4: where people are willing not only to sacrifice themselves but

450
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Speaker 4: their children in belief. And those are adults, right, brain

451
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: formed out all the way by twenty two, right, and

452
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Speaker 4: and these are adults with children, And you would think,

453
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 4: my god, you know, sacrifice yourself, how do you do

454
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: your children? It is It does shock the conscience that

455
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 4: this happened, and clearly from you know, monitoring your children

456
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 4: and you know, creepy pasta stories because they're creepy with fun,

457
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: but noticing some differences in your children with being withdrawn

458
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Speaker 4: or you know, just something more sinister is the responsibility

459
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Speaker 4: of parenting. You can't just be disengaged. When your child

460
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Speaker 4: has been having seemingly these thoughts, murderous thoughts for so long,

461
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Speaker 4: you've got to see a change in your child. You

462
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Speaker 4: just can't be an absentee parent.

463
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Speaker 1: What about it, Doctor Daniel Bober joining me forensics psychiatrists

464
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Speaker 1: out of the Florida jurisdiction. Apparently the parents knew nothing,

465
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Speaker 1: had no idea anything was going on with their children.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, you see this a lot. For example, I

467
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 12: remember during the Columbine shootings, parents had no idea that

468
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Speaker 12: Cleebold and Harris were stockpiling weapons in their own garage. Like,

469
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Speaker 12: they never bothered to check that there were weapons being

470
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Speaker 12: stockpiled in their garage. So, unfortunately, this is something that

471
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Speaker 12: happens with parents. They just kind of give their kids

472
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Speaker 12: these electronic babysitters cell phones, and they are not really

473
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Speaker 12: paying attention to what's going on. But in regards to

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Speaker 12: what you said before, yes, of course the kids did

475
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Speaker 12: not have the same delusion. But sometimes when you get

476
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Speaker 12: two kids together and one of them has a more

477
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 12: dominant personality and more dominant traits, they will lead the

478
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Speaker 12: weaker ki to go along with their plan, even though

479
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Speaker 12: it's not something they would have done on their own.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 8: I've never gone into an interview so blind as I

482
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 8: have in this one. I thought that maybe this was

483
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 8: all about a boy. This is a fight about a boy.

484
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: I know what happened, and I don't know that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we didn't know what these girls were going to

486
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Speaker 6: tell us.

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Speaker 14: Stand her, My thought was, why would she do this?

488
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Speaker 14: One of the call who the heck is slender Man?

489
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Speaker 6: And she herself worthy.

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Speaker 12: To think that to twelve year olds would come up

491
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Speaker 12: with something like this and plant it out for six months.

492
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Speaker 6: As soon as I heard, I knew that this was going.

493
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Speaker 1: To be a big deal.

494
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Speaker 16: The road that she was located on was Big Bend Road.

495
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Speaker 6: At the dead end of that.

496
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Speaker 16: Peyton wasn't moving a whole lot. But as I approached her,

497
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Speaker 16: I said, Hi, I'm Offster Dan.

498
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Speaker 6: Are you okay?

499
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Speaker 2: And she said no, And I said, okay, help is

500
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Speaker 2: on the way.

501
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Speaker 6: Just stay right where you are.

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Speaker 16: And as I got closer, I started to see a

503
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Speaker 16: little bit more blood. And the closer I got, the

504
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Speaker 16: more blood I saw.

505
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Speaker 6: Somehow she'd been able to pull herself out of those woods,

506
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Speaker 6: and in another moment of strength, she was able to

507
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Speaker 6: communicate with him.

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Speaker 16: I asked her who did this and she told me

509
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Speaker 16: her friend Morgan. And then I asked to where did

510
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Speaker 16: this happen and she told me that happened in the woods.

511
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Speaker 1: You're hearing Officer Dan Klin speaking with twenty twenty's David

512
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Speaker 1: Muir Levi Page Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Levi

513
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: when the search warrant was executed on Geysera and Where's

514
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: homes what was found?

515
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Speaker 10: So I mentioned about the Internet searches on Morgan's computer

516
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 10: that said how to get away with murder. They had

517
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Speaker 10: also found mutilated dolls in her room that had the

518
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 10: body parts cut off of them.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Dear Lord in heaven did Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert,

520
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: professor of forensics and author of Blood Beneath My Feet

521
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, this is right up your alley,

522
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Speaker 1: speaking of forensics.

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Speaker 11: Uh yeah, well, Nancy, let me go to something real

524
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 11: quick that you know, we've talked about this, this obsession

525
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 11: that these girls have with slender Man, and they're doing

526
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 11: his bidding and living in this fantastical world where they're

527
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 11: you know, they've got to make some kind of I

528
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 11: don't know sacrifice this guy. Let me tell you what's

529
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 11: based in reality. What's based in reality is this poor

530
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 11: girl was subject to being stabbed by five a blade

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Speaker 11: of five inches in lengthd and she stabbed nineteen times. Nancy.

532
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Speaker 11: Her liver was actually clipped. It passed through her pancreas

533
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 11: it passed through her diaphragm, and she was very close

534
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Speaker 11: to dine. You know, I did a calculation just a

535
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 11: moment ago. Let's just say that she only weighed eighty

536
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 11: pounds twelve years old. You know, she's gotten less than

537
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 11: a gallon of blood in her body. It is an

538
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 11: absolute miracle that she survived. And I'm just talking about

539
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 11: the organs, not to mention all the little peripheral stab

540
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Speaker 11: wounds that she sustained. She had an angel on her

541
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Speaker 11: shoulder at that time.

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Speaker 1: The injuries done to this twelve year old little girl

543
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Speaker 1: are overwhelming.

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Speaker 2: But listen to this.

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Speaker 1: After we're and guys are tell detectives they had to

546
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Speaker 1: kill Bella to become Slenderman's servants. We now know that

547
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: when the jury decided the little girls were mentally insane,

548
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: were had a mental defect. This means that every six

549
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Speaker 1: months they can petition the court to be released every

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Speaker 1: six months. According to the victim's mom, she says, the

551
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Speaker 1: potential release of an assailant that methodically planned and executed

552
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: an attack on our little girl where she was stabbed

553
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Speaker 1: nineteen times put the community in our family at risk.

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Speaker 10: Anissa Weir took a plea deal and she pled pleading

555
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 10: guilty to a lesser charge of attempted second degree intentional homicide.

556
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Speaker 10: As part of her deal, a jury would hear her

557
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Speaker 10: insanity defense. Then they were going to decide on whether

558
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Speaker 10: or not she would be responsible and sent to prison,

559
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 10: are not guilty by a reason of a mental defect

560
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Speaker 10: and sent to a mental institution. They wanted to send

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Speaker 10: her to a mental institution so she didn't get set

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Speaker 10: to prison. In twenty seventeen, a jury found her not

563
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Speaker 10: guilty by reason of a mental disease or defect and

564
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Speaker 10: was sentenced to a twenty five year commitment into a

565
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Speaker 10: state institution. And Morgan Geyser's lawyers also made a similar deal.

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Speaker 10: She pleaded guilty to attempted first degree intentional homicide and

567
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Speaker 10: prosecutors agreed as part of this deal not to challenge

568
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Speaker 10: her insanity defense, and she was sentenced to forty years

569
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Speaker 10: in a mental institution.

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Speaker 15: Anissa Weyer, who was committed for her role in the attack,

571
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Speaker 15: was granted conditional release in September twenty twenty one. She

572
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Speaker 15: was required to receive outpatient psychiatric treatment and subject to

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Speaker 15: GPS monitoring, though the monitoring was waived in September of

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Speaker 15: last year.

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Speaker 2: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Slender Man is actually a

576
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Speaker 2: fictional character.

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Speaker 1: Slender Man originated in an online art contest back in

578
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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. Then slender Man became a popular meme.

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Speaker 1: It drove a Nissa Weir Morgan Geyser to stab their

580
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Speaker 1: twelve year old friend, Peyton Lautner.

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Speaker 2: The girls claim they feared.

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Speaker 1: Their own families would die if they did not do

583
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: slender Man's bidding. This mythical creature is depicted as an

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Speaker 1: unnaturally tall, thin figure with a blank, featureless face, wearing

585
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Speaker 1: a black suit. He has creepy, long, tentacle like arms,

586
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: and they could be extended to catch his prey. It's

587
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Speaker 1: an urban legend that slender Man can cause memory loss, insomnia,

588
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Speaker 1: and paranoia. We think slender Man originated in a photoshop

589
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: contest on the comedy website Something awful.

590
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: It went viral, and then there were.

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Speaker 1: Several stories written about slender Man on Creepy Pasta that

592
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: was published online. Then the character seemingly developed his own life.

593
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: He got two feature length films funded by Kickstarter, and

594
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: a lot of amateur video games. So these girls get

595
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Speaker 1: sucked into slender Man, but that's not insanity. Take a

596
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: listen to Peyton the victim, also on Isabella as she

597
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: speaks out.

598
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Speaker 6: Have you ever watched any of those interrogations.

599
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Speaker 13: I watched a little bit.

600
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Speaker 6: What was your reaction.

601
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Speaker 9: It was a little shocking to me to see that

602
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 9: they had this big, huge plan that they had been

603
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Speaker 9: working on for months.

604
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Speaker 6: Do you remember leaving the park to go to the woods.

605
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Speaker 13: They just wanted to go on a walk, and I

606
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 13: didn't think much of it.

607
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 6: It's just a walk.

608
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 9: It's in walk a shot, like what bad stuff happens

609
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 9: in Waukesha, Wisconsin. And Lisa told me to lie on

610
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 9: the ground and like cover myself in like sticks and

611
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 9: leaves and stuff.

612
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 13: But it was really just a trick.

613
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Speaker 6: When you hear them describe two investigators and Lisa telling

614
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Speaker 6: Morgan just to do it, I think that the word

615
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 6: was globalistic.

616
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Speaker 13: Oh, I remember that. I do remember them chatting right

617
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Speaker 13: next to me while I was just laying.

618
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Speaker 6: There, And do you remember when it started?

619
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Speaker 9: Kind of I didn't feel anything because my body was

620
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Speaker 9: in shock from the adrenaline.

621
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Speaker 13: I didn't feel a thing.

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Speaker 6: Do you remember the moment they left you?

623
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Speaker 13: I think I remember them running away, but I kind

624
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 13: of just laid there.

625
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Speaker 6: For a minute. You walked out of the woods.

626
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Speaker 9: I got up, grabbed a couple trees for support, I think,

627
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Speaker 9: and then just walked until I hit a patch of

628
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Speaker 9: grass where.

629
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Speaker 8: I could lay down.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

631
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Speaker 1: To doctor Daniel Biber, forensic psychiatrist joining us, what would

632
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Speaker 1: be the prospects of these two would be killers ever

633
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Speaker 1: becoming anything less than a threat if they are released?

634
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Speaker 12: Nancy, I totally agree with you. I'm sorry I strike

635
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 12: that I totally disagree with you. The brain of a

636
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Speaker 12: twelve year.

637
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Speaker 1: Old, I believe that's what she called a Freudian slip.

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Speaker 15: But go ahead.

639
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Speaker 12: The brain of a twelve year old is just not

640
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Speaker 12: the brain of a twenty five year old. And the

641
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 12: science is not consistent with what you guys are saying.

642
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 12: For example, children who display what we call conduct disorder behavior,

643
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Speaker 12: two thirds of them do not go on, I repeat,

644
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Speaker 12: do not go on to become antisocial. So a twelve

645
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 12: year old committing a murder?

646
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, well, did you say conduct disorder?

647
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Speaker 12: It's what we call conduct disorder. It's sort of the forerunner.

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Speaker 1: Does that include stabbing deaths?

649
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Speaker 12: I agree that a stabbing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're making a sound like she just threw

651
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: a tantrum in the floor of target.

652
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: No, that's not what happened.

653
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Speaker 12: But that's actually that would actually be more oppositional behavior.

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Speaker 12: But the point I'm trying to make is you can't

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Speaker 12: say and that someone who's twelve who commits a murder

656
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Speaker 12: at twenty five is going to be a menace to

657
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Speaker 12: society because they're a totally different persons and they have

658
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 12: a totally different brain at twenty five than they did

659
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Speaker 12: at age twelve.

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Speaker 1: I do know that what happened has changed Peyton lawn

661
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Speaker 1: or the victim's life forever.

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Speaker 6: One of the things I will never forget from this

663
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Speaker 6: interview with Peyton Lightner, all these years later is what

664
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Speaker 6: she said to me when I asked, what would you

665
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Speaker 6: say to Morgan Geyser if you saw her today, if

666
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Speaker 6: she saw this interview, what would you want to say

667
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Speaker 6: to her.

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Speaker 13: There's a lot that I would want to say to her.

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Speaker 13: I would probably initially thank her.

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Speaker 9: I would say, because of what she did, I have

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Speaker 9: the life I have now, which I really really like it.

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Speaker 6: You do know that when people hear you say I

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Speaker 6: would probably thank her that, they're going to be surprised.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I'm surprised to hear myself say that. Why because I

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Speaker 9: wouldn't think that someone who went through what I did

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Speaker 9: whatever say that. But that's truly how I feel like.

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Speaker 9: Without the whole situation, I wouldn't be who.

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Speaker 6: I am stronger.

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Speaker 15: A Wisconsin judge will now hear evidence in April to

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Speaker 15: decide whether to release Morgan Geyser from the Middle Health

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Speaker 15: facility where she's being held. The twenty one year old

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Speaker 15: Geyser requested conditional release from the Winnebago Middal Health Institute

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Speaker 15: from Waukeshaw County Circuit Judge Michael Boren back in January.

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Speaker 15: This is similar to a petition that Geyser filed in

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty two for conditional release, but Geyser withdrew that

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Speaker 15: request two months later. The judge appointed three psychiatric experts,

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Speaker 15: one on behalf of Geyser one on behalf of prosecutors,

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Speaker 15: and the third as a court appointee to examine Geyser

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Speaker 15: and produce reports on her current mental condition. Judge Boren

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Speaker 15: then set a hearing for April tenth through the eleventh

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Speaker 15: to consider the reports and possibly rule on the release request.

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Speaker 1: The dichotomy is that the other defendant, Weir, has been released. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: I think they should both still be behind bars. I

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Speaker 1: perceive them as a threat. We wait as just as unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,