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Speaker 1: really can't fix us either. We back baby, the boxing

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Speaker 1: hardcores under the Morning Combat flag. It's Dee Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: the voice in your face right now on this video

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Speaker 1: and the New York Times bestselling author raithe Bartholomew, author

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Speaker 1: by the way of a new and revived Respect Box newsletter,

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Speaker 1: can't wait to check out as well.

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Speaker 2: Raife. Uh look, we've been doing.

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Speaker 1: Boxing podcasting from the beginning, brother, whether it's The Ropes

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Speaker 1: the s OC on CBS Sports. Now, Hey, Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: We hear baby, We're back. We said we'd be back.

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Speaker 3: We're back Morning Combat. You are next, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, thank you very much. What can you

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Speaker 1: expect from this ridiculousness as well? Okay, all right, we

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Speaker 1: are two howd men, and like the title says, you.

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Speaker 4: Are the boxing hardcore, you're not regular fans. Thank you,

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Speaker 4: rich your fans who keep track of the sport week

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Speaker 4: to week. Some of the names I've mentioned, I'm guessing

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Speaker 4: many of you have never heard.

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Speaker 1: I have heard of two of them, though, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Richie Dwyer, Sean Zapeta at one hundred and forty pounds

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Speaker 1: and Ivan Baranchick.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know we heard it.

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Speaker 1: We responded in a big way, a big, big gift

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Speaker 2: That's what we're here to break down today.

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Speaker 1: Hey, great timing and the changeover of the shows, and

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Speaker 1: maybe not just the fight of the year, the fight

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Speaker 1: of our lifetime just broke out.

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Speaker 2: Rape. This is what the people come to see, This

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Speaker 2: is what our hardcore come to see.

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Speaker 1: Come to hear your reaction to what was not necessarily

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Speaker 1: a surprise. That'd be a good fight, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think we were expecting, you know, Ward Burton here or

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Speaker 2: How did you respond to what happened on Saturday night?

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Speaker 5: At first? Brian, I'm not sure I was responsive at all.

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Speaker 5: I think I just fainted. Of course, there is really

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Speaker 5: only one legitimate response, and that is in the voice

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Speaker 5: of the late great Emmanuel Steward.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, look it is, Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: I mean the eight knockdowns especially and reminiscent of some

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Speaker 5: of those great Manny Stewart HBO boxing calls when Ortiz

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Speaker 5: BIRDO one they're trading knockdowns, eventually trading knockouts within seconds

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Speaker 5: the fifth round when it ended. Oh my god, for

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Speaker 2: It doesn't get any better.

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Speaker 1: And I saw flashes of Prince Na seen versus Kevin

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Speaker 1: celebrate top Ring, celebrate the plus for once, celebrate Evankorn,

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Speaker 2: When a great fight happens, it's like a dog whistle.

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Speaker 1: We get it out there, We let people know, and

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Speaker 5: You know, I was feeling it, Brian, and it was

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Speaker 5: Here I know how to show love to my people.

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Speaker 5: How does that go over on the on the the

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Speaker 1: You have gifted me At times in my life I've

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Speaker 1: Shout out to angel. Oh, we wanted to shout out

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Speaker 1: the no brainer by the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no brainer. Okay,

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Speaker 1: We heard a tip that this fight was good.

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Speaker 7: I have a group of analysts who receive the tip,

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Speaker 2: We going here? What are we what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: It does it need to be ranked?

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Speaker 5: I think the proper ranking is just above Pravadikov versus Bradley,

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Speaker 5: he won that fight. Even and we've been in we

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Speaker 3: And boy did he boys their egg on my face.

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Speaker 1: in CHOHn Zepeda And I've been Branchick to share this.

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Speaker 2: Gotta give Mikey the ball back.

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Speaker 1: Of the Year award for taking that fight because they

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Speaker 3: To jump out two way classes.

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Speaker 1: I've been Barranchick every time he would get knocked down

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Speaker 1: me get me back in there, even as his body, face,

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Speaker 1: mine heart soul was slowly deteriorating from each knockdown. But really,

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Speaker 1: I think the core of what made this fight great

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Speaker 1: We didn't think we had he had this in him.

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Speaker 1: I watched Jose Ramirez in Jose Zepetta with you in

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Speaker 1: tell you could be robbery. It was still an effective robbery. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it was a robbery in some ways. All Right, it

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Speaker 7: We both know it didn't exist about Well, you can

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Speaker 3: I know and you.

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Speaker 1: But what we didn't know existed was that if you,

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Speaker 1: Now of Morning Combat. Okay, there's no rules on this show.

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Speaker 1: Uh please, we're a fireman, take me away.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we are fireman, Brian. You're in the corner like

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Speaker 3: I knew he was that good of a counterpuncher. But

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Speaker 2: It's huge, huge texeles. Yes, yes, they both did okay

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Speaker 1: So uh hello, hello soundboard, can you speak to us?

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Speaker 2: I like usn A. You know, this is very nice,

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Speaker 3: I like you, I like sex.

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Speaker 1: But but the heart they showed and the craft. Look,

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Speaker 1: But your boy, Creek's Mark Kregel, your guy, my guy

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Speaker 2: I know that you know this wasn't just that we're

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Speaker 1: When you get Mark Kregel on there, It's not just

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Speaker 2: No, Mark Kreegel wants to get inside the relationship.

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Speaker 1: You know your heart, your fears, your dark shadows, as

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Speaker 3: Folks. Welcome to box Sick. Some of the rooms to

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Speaker 1: Stand right, and Mark Kregel got got inside of That'd

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Speaker 3: Be honest with me, fest you can you doubted yourself

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Speaker 2: But did you get that feeling, like, you know, Zepeida may.

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Speaker 1: I knew I'm Jose Peida super fan number ninety nine

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Speaker 1: So to rewatch him kind of go through that journey

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Speaker 1: Like this is why boxing, This is why when we

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Speaker 1: I mean, thank god Branchick was okay in the end.

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Speaker 2: That man with some middle American Tony Holden, Tony Holden,

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Speaker 2: Thank you to see if that Baranchick was okay.

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Speaker 1: think if a an, I'm a a fan, right, that

438
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, you gotta see this fight, right,

439
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 1: Boxing's going nuts over it.

440
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 2: They'll like it, but I don't know if they'll fully

441
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 2: hear Jimmy and understand it.

442
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 1: Under the guise of what we deal with all the

443
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 1: time in boxing, we don't always get this, but yet

444
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: this is the heart of what the sport really is.

445
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 1: And when they do that, when they just pour it

446
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 1: out like that, I mean, this was fight was important. Yes,

447
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, it was maybe the last path back to

448
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: a title fight in this division and their prime. Although

449
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: boxing's full of shit, so titles follow the sky at

450
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: any time. But Baranchic fought like it was life or

451
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 1: death race, like legit, like this was his chance to

452
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 1: make it big and if he didn't cash in on

453
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: that chance, it was over. It was it was some

454
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: rocky movie ish Sorry, there was something. There was a

455
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: there's a special sprinkled sauce their flavor packet in here

456
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: that just sort of made this fight feel different than

457
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: your normal two.

458
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: Guys are gonna come together, they're gonna bang.

459
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 3: Well.

460
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 5: I think the special sauce Brian was the style match up,

461
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 5: the effort, the knockdowns, the action. This was not I

462
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 5: don't think as much as I hear, I hear, I

463
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 5: do hear, Jimmy, I know where you're coming from. I

464
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 5: don't think we, as the boxing hardcore, need to shut

465
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 5: the slam the doors shut on fans from other sports

466
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 5: saying yo, no, no, no no, you don't get this

467
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 5: like we get this. You don't feel this like we

468
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 5: feel this. Maybe that's true, maybe that's the case, but

469
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 5: also you don't. Oh you need that's that is what

470
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 5: is beautiful about boxing. You could show this to missus Campbell.

471
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 5: You could show this to either of the Campbell boys.

472
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 5: You could show this to Angel Garcia on your hat.

473
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 5: I don't care who you could show this to, you to,

474
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 5: to your you know, your your.

475
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: Big mama, who all them? Need to do this?

476
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 4: If not for yourself, then for your ubuela, do it

477
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 4: for your grandad, do.

478
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 3: It for your big mama, do it for your papa.

479
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 3: Do it, Brian, show it to them.

480
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 5: I don't care what walk of life they come from,

481
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 5: whether they've ever seen professional boxing at any level before

482
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 5: in their lives.

483
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: They will They'll love it, they will feel it. It's

484
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: human boxing for grown folks, not this boxing. This is

485
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 3: some boxing, Sir Sergii Kola Lev.

486
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, he is for grown folks because he gets into

487
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 5: all kinds of adult matters.

488
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 3: But this is just beautiful blood and guts competition.

489
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 2: It is.

490
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some violence in it.

491
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 5: But uh, you know that that could be a reality

492
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 5: check even for the young folks like you can go

493
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 5: through this. You can be tried like that in your

494
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 5: own life in some way and bring out your own

495
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 5: ball sack of the year, whether you would, no matter

496
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 5: what gender you identify as, you could have a ball

497
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 5: sack of the year, Brian.

498
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: Right, But but you know, we could see good fights

499
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 2: any day of the week. We could we could see

500
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: adult movies any day the week. You know you're gonna

501
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: get it.

502
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: But there's I do I thank you, I mean thank

503
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: you at least somebody seven times.

504
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: I mean, what kind of day is this?

505
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

506
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: Okay, all right?

507
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 7: Uh?

508
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: Where was I going with that?

509
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: The fact that these two men were able to act,

510
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: as Teddy would say, act like fighters, act in a

511
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: beautiful way.

512
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: You're right.

513
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: It may end up being universal in the in in

514
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: the language you love, and how people interpret it, because

515
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, everybody kind of wants

516
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: the same thing out of the sport, right, right, I.

517
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 7: Have beautiful guys and.

518
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: You know, you know I want.

519
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 1: And how beautiful these guys acted in this sense is

520
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: what made this fight next level extra special. You also

521
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: need a soundtrack, though, right, every great movie, every great fight,

522
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: you need a soundtrack. I thought Bernardo and Tim Bradley

523
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: they brought it. Okay, you know Bernardo wasn't Jim Lampley

524
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: out there, right, but but he he went there at

525
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: a sixty when he needed to. Uh, you know, there

526
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: was the callback of the old school call your friends

527
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: at home, which you know if you don't remember that,

528
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: that was round four of Mickey Ward against Emmanuel Burton

529
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: Augustus and the as you know, what do they call

530
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: it the thriller in Hampton?

531
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: Teddy called it. You remember that anybody gots just by your.

532
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: Head in between rounds, pull your friends off.

533
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: You're seeing something free you don't.

534
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: See too ut please, I mean really, you're feeling something

535
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: that you don't feel too often, right, damn right?

536
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 2: Right?

537
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 3: What doesn't mean when fighting get you wreck?

538
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: And look it happened, it did exist, So we got that,

539
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: and then Tim just dips into the playbook.

540
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: Tim just dips into the teddy, you know, under estimating

541
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: a big lifted.

542
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: And here comes a paying pouring it off with your

543
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: family right now.

544
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: I don't know that to fight right now.

545
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: So it had the soundtrack, it had the moment, and

546
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: damn near on that finish, I think we got a

547
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: double ragasm.

548
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: Oh sooner? Do you agree? Do you believe that?

549
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: I was pretty much up there with one.

550
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 5: But but it made a lot more sense than when

551
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 5: we get the double ragasm on f S one broadcast

552
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 5: with with our guys Ray Flores and ray Mancini.

553
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: Ray Floors and ray Mancini were paired up and they

554
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: both they have heart and passion. They bring it in

555
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: this game. But when you pair there are gasmic powers.

556
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: On the call of a knockdown, it produced a moment.

557
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't Emmanuel Stewart.

558
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

559
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: It was more like clean up on aisle. This announced

560
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: table right hook upstairs shakes his.

561
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: Head is over all right?

562
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: We got that from both SONA and you know, I

563
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: want you to score this one to ten right on

564
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: on the on the on the call scale.

565
00:25:53,920 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: But he gave it to us. He's not one in

566
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: the world in the PC performance.

567
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: Uh, pretty good right, maybe yeah, brilliant, but the emotion

568
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: was there.

569
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: And he just he nailed the timing. He did not.

570
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 5: I mean I remember watching that when he when Baranchick

571
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 5: went down, when that knee bent George Groves style after

572
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 5: he got knocked out by a peach of a right

573
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: hand by Carl Frott in front of eighty K at Wembley.

574
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 5: You know, it is a shame that this could not

575
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 5: take take place in front of eighty K at Wembley.

576
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: But says you knew the attendance right there. That is.

577
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: I heard once or twice that it that it was

578
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: that much. I want to twice you for it, if

579
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: you don't mind.

580
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 5: In my last five before before I knocked out George

581
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 5: Groves at Wembley Stadium, and that George Groves knockout was

582
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 5: the the last time I can remember seeing one of

583
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 5: those dramatic your your legs folds under you, your knee

584
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 5: may never respond again, sorry company own type knockouts. And

585
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: but anyway, look that punch landed and Bernardo.

586
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: Was on it.

587
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 5: I was there, you know, eyes rolling back in my head, going,

588
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 5: you know, ah, like having my own single racecasm and

589
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 5: no Bernardo was strictly a pro.

590
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: The statutory rape. Where are we going with this?

591
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 4: Uh?

592
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: Not?

593
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: Everybody was of age?

594
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: My friend, all right, the consent was there.

595
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: Thank I don't know what you're talking about.

596
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: They brought it. They even had some fun moments between them.

597
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: Okay with this conversation. You want action, You want action.

598
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: Welcome to top rank boxing on ESPN. Not the kind

599
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: that you drink. I love the Tim's like, I don't drink,

600
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: my friend, I don't drink. That was racist. Please don't

601
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: do that, but shout out Tim Bradley.

602
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been bad.

603
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: Like all of a.

604
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: Sudden, Bernardo just goes like a little too. He's like, hey, yeah,

605
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 3: what what do you prefer? Saint? I so old e like, talk.

606
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: To me, Talk to me, Tim, No, no, no, no, no, no,

607
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: no no please please no no, no racial stereotypes there,

608
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: thank you?

609
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: All right? I know. The only way we're allowed to

610
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: profile is Texas because it is different. You know, it'd

611
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: be different. It's got a different taste to them. It's

612
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: it's uh, it's big guys, all right.

613
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: So the fight matters showing, you know, I mean, like

614
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get Rameira's next Jose Rimeira's got to

615
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: do the four belt thing with Josh Taylor.

616
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: We can't wait, all right, this is what we're talking about.

617
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: This ain't even it ain't Bud Crawford against who that

618
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: guy he did the four belts.

619
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: Against Andre talking about Julius and Dongo.

620
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: Look, I'll, you know, shout out the Bud for the

621
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: accomplishment and the ability to market.

622
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: It that way in ESPN. But like you know, we're

623
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: like in.

624
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: Dongo has two belts, bro, you know, look at me, Max,

625
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: I have How did you even in this day and age,

626
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: how they let you have two belts? Josh Taylor unbeaten,

627
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: Jose Rameire's unbeating all four titles, Like that's that legit.

628
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: So is not gonna get that now. But he did

629
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: get the biggest win.

630
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: Of his career, the win that maybe proved to himself

631
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: that like he does know this game, he can do

632
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: that on that level and hopefully like some paydays and

633
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: some stardom from what we got here. I don't think

634
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: we should expect this out as a pain of moving forward,

635
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: per se. He's maybe a little bit too skilled to

636
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: do this brandchick. He bangs bro, Right, that's just what

637
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: it is. That's where it goes. But I mean, we're

638
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna remember their names now tied to this fight, which

639
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: is back to where this fight belongs and what it

640
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: really means. I don't think it's one that we're gonna

641
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: stop talking about. Like was it better than even that

642
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen potpourri we got of, like uh Bandido against Solito?

643
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: Remember that one we.

644
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Got we got Pravodnikov against uh. I mean we got

645
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: to you know, they they they all have Bradley. Oh no, no,

646
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: the one where where Pravdankov thought uh oh talking about

647
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: yeah no, he thought Matiz.

648
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: Like what I'm saying is is that.

649
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 5: Look, man, don't go back and watch Pravannikov versus this

650
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 5: is John Molina.

651
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: You ain't gonna be happy watching that.

652
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: Bradley was special. But I'm talking about twenty sixteen.

653
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: We go, okay, those are good fights, but we're not

654
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: thinking all time great, right, We're not thinking this century's best.

655
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: You know, tell me if I'm going too crazy at

656
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: the moment, I think this is right below the true

657
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: upper elites of Gotti Ward one, Corrals, Castillo one, Marquez,

658
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Speaker 1: Pakiov four, all those ones I mentioned at the.

659
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Speaker 3: Time ARCASZ three maybe.

660
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even even uh, you know, even the recent

661
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Speaker 1: one or somewhat recent one of providing the Coffin. I

662
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Speaker 1: love that one and Bradley in there, like, I think

663
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: that one's better too. Yeah, But I don't think we

664
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Speaker 1: should drop this into that other forgotten category. Like I

665
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: was there for Bandido Vargas against my Era. That's an

666
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: insanely great fight and there was character in that. But

667
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we love those two characters or

668
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: they got the crossover attention on that level that we

669
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Speaker 1: look back at that as just that was a great

670
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Speaker 1: fight for that year.

671
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Speaker 2: But I don't think we look at that as you

672
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, like I.

673
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Speaker 3: Think I can.

674
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Speaker 5: I think let me let me try and translate this

675
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 5: for our audience, Brian. What you're saying is that those

676
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: fights which are legitimately great fights, whether it's Toledo Vargas

677
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 5: Vargas Maura, uh basically for like like Francisco Vargas had

678
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: that run where he was just in how many incredible fights.

679
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 5: Those were great fights in almost a way we're more

680
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 5: used to seeing, right, it's a war of attrition, two

681
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 5: guys who are coming forward, like like you mentioned earlier

682
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: a Rio Salvarado trilogy type event where you know, these

683
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 5: are high level fighters who are just all action except

684
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 5: for that third time Alvarado came out after after hanging

685
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 5: out in the hotel fight week.

686
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 8: But anyway, for you, Mike Fish Scales right, Yeah, these

687
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 8: are these are those fights, the shadow boxing legend. Mildheim, Mike, yeah,

688
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 8: these are these fights.

689
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 5: Are these classic wars of attrition where you you sort

690
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 5: of you expect it coming in.

691
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: They rise to the occasion.

692
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 5: They often even exceed expectations because they're so good. The

693
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 5: action is so consistent and thrilling throughout. But there's something

694
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 5: way way different about seeing two guys knocking You got

695
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: that kind those number of knockdowns is unique? Is it

696
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 5: doesn't or unique? No, but it's very rare, exceedingly rare,

697
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 5: and it's special when it happens, and it.

698
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: Heightens the drama.

699
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: It should have been nine.

700
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: That one might have been my favorite knockdown.

701
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Speaker 5: How did he how did he manage from the other

702
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: side of him to loop under like that that left

703
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 5: in there and catch.

704
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: Him pluck on the chin.

705
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: It was like brock Lesner Frank Mier rematch in UFC

706
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: where you're on the ground and you're behind someone and

707
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: you're punching up from behind.

708
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: I mean Kenny Bibles's miss that.

709
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Speaker 1: I thought he had a hell of a fight overall,

710
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: But that's essentially nine knockdowns in five rounds. That alone

711
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: might give it the character to separate it from that

712
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen run of those HBO wars at the small

713
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: weight classes, or twenty fifteen before that as well. I

714
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Speaker 1: don't think though it exceeds those five, six or seven

715
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: that I mentioned, but I do think it's there, so

716
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: that puts it at the back end of the top

717
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: ten this century.

718
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: You okay with that?

719
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 5: I'm more than okay with that. I think they should

720
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 5: be okay. We should all be okay with them.

721
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: What will we be talking about this fight like we

722
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: talk about those two French guys. Remember that Sam Sakhapoor

723
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: against Mayak and Nonchegance that Dan Rayfield was telling everybody

724
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: to watch from two thousand and six, and it is amazing.

725
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: It's probably your seventh or ace best fight of this

726
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Speaker 1: of this century.

727
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: Will well have?

728
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Speaker 5: I think that depends on what happens with their careers. Unfortunately,

729
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 5: like really being remembered like that has to do with longevity,

730
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 5: has to do with being in more fights that people remember.

731
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 5: Probably it means that Sibeta has to go on and

732
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 5: and and get a title at one forty.

733
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: That's not fair.

734
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: But champs.

735
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: Remember that dude from one fight porn Salon No No,

736
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: the one from France and O six, the Fight of

737
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Speaker 1: the Air.

738
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.

739
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: I do, but I didn't. I don't remember. You can't

740
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 5: say his name. I don't remember his name. Just remember it. Yes,

741
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 5: it happened, but other than that it did exist. It's

742
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 5: not It's not legendary in our brains in the same

743
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 5: way that ain't fair, but it's true. We look, you

744
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 5: know what they could. I mean, the obvious counterpoint here

745
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 5: is the Gotti Ward trilogy. But god, I mean, these

746
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 5: are those guys were famous in their own rights, huge

747
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 5: draws in their own rights, even if they're this is

748
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 5: sort of the level we're talking about.

749
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: Or ah, all right, So.

750
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Speaker 1: Do you think this is gonna be more of a

751
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: ward burden in history where you're like, amazing fight. But

752
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't go out of my way to always put

753
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: it in the top five or top ten.

754
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 5: I think it's look, I would expect it to be

755
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 5: pretty safe in the top ten just because of how

756
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 5: good it is on its own.

757
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: But is it something? Is it going to be on

758
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 3: the tip of our tongue right.

759
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 5: After you know, Bucky al Marquez or or you know

760
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 5: Bara Morales one or two, one or three? Is it

761
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 5: gonna Is it gonna live like that? I think unfortunately

762
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 5: it has to do with the achievements and the fame

763
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 5: of the fighters. That ain't right necessarily. But if fair

764
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 5: ain't got nothing to do with it, the hardcorees will remember,

765
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 5: I hope remember it.

766
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 3: Maybe. Look, you know you you mentioned earlier.

767
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 5: That uh that that that Josh Taylor and Jose Ramirez

768
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 5: have some business they want to take care of at

769
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 5: the top of the division. That probably means there's time

770
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 5: for a rematch. I know it's you don't want to

771
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 5: rush into it Corrales Castillo style. But at the same time,

772
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 5: sometimes this trilogy has become magic. You know, it could

773
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 5: go either way. Would you would you be upset, Brian

774
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 5: if they had another fight and it didn't blossom in

775
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 5: nearly the same way? Would do you feel that it

776
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 5: cheapens the first one?

777
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: It's not going No, it doesn't necessarily cheap in the

778
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: first one. Do you remember Devin Rodriguez U Pavel Wolock.

779
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: The first one is great section.

780
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: Saladhematoma fucking one.

781
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: Delvin uses jab and made it not as much fun.

782
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: Just like you know, no one talks about that. Burrow

783
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: Morales too was kind of a dud. Right Ward Gotti

784
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: Ward two outside around three was a big time dud

785
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: from your expectation level. I don't even though Zepaida's Mexican American,

786
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: and I mean he found out he's a man in there,

787
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he should or will fight like this again,

788
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, for this long sustain if they did it again,

789
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going down ten seven, is what

790
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think that being the slicker puncher, he's

791
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: a little bit more selective, shows a little bit more

792
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: defense in the end, and probably wins it without it

793
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: having to go to you know, eight mile island level here.

794
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: But uh, thank you to these two guys.

795
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: Thank you that this happened, That this reminder that that

796
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: you and I and the other boxing hardcores not talking

797
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: about regular fans. You know, we circled this on the calendar.

798
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: We knew, we didn't tell you we weren't telling you

799
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: this was gonna be corrals Castillo, which that was a

800
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: fight where a lot of us ahead of it were like,

801
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, this one, you know just I mean, I

802
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: think Pacquiao Morales won was like a few weeks before

803
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: that or a month before that, and that had the

804
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: same kind of like, this one's gonna be special. We

805
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: didn't say that about baranchiic Cepada, but for quarantine seasons

806
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: we said, you.

807
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: May not know these guys, but this is gonna be

808
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 2: really good. You know, this has potential to be really good.

809
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 2: I don't think Zapeida's gonna do that again. I think

810
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Branchick only knows how. So I don't want to see

811
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 2: this rematch yet.

812
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: I'd rather see it when they both are coming off

813
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: of losses from attempting to move up and it just

814
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: seems to be the nice attraction fight of the moment.

815
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: Just my two cents.

816
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: I know Ruguru left the one forty window to go

817
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: over to PBC.

818
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: Uh, well, he's still at one.

819
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna be on the undercart of tank and uh

820
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: Leo Halloween Night.

821
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: By the way inside the Alamodome on Showtime pay per view.

822
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: But who else if you're telling Zepeida, we do want

823
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: you to fight one more time before getting that WBC mandatory.

824
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: Who else at one forty anybody else?

825
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: Oh well, God.

826
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 2: He's probably available on Wednesday night.

827
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: But I would stay away from Victor Bustol. You know,

828
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 3: he's still a pain in the butt.

829
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 5: He he has he has, and that wouldn't be a

830
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 5: fun fight anyway. God, it's tough, he probably look at

831
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 5: If I were his manager, i'd probably advise him to

832
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 5: wait for the big fight because if they look, they're

833
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 5: gonna make that fight between Ramirez and Josh Taylor. The

834
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 5: winner is probably gonna vacate all four belts go up

835
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 5: to one forty seven to get big money, either against

836
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: Terrence Crawford or who knows where. And that means that

837
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 5: Zeppeta probably by waiting, gets a shot at the WBC

838
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 5: belt and doesn't have to beat either of those guys,

839
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 5: which is a smart thing to do. If that means waiting,

840
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 5: you know, he could wait what six months to a

841
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 5: year for that. Unfortunately, look, I want to see I

842
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 5: would see it. I want to see these guys back

843
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 5: as soon as they're ready. But that may be how

844
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 5: this plays out.

845
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: Brian that's how this podcast played out. RAF, Thank you

846
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: for joining me. If you're new to the MK boxing hardcorees,

847
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Speaker 1: it's like the CW of the regular Morning Combat family, right,

848
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Speaker 1: it's a little edgy.

849
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Speaker 3: I'm like the Sandman of this show.

850
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're drinking. Yeah.

851
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: People don't realize that you have urinated at that table

852
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: while recording a podcast in the past. Now with the video,

853
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Speaker 1: it's going to be harder. But what are you in

854
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Speaker 1: a supply closet in the back of Detroit rape?

855
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Speaker 2: Where are you?

856
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: Brian? This is this is the room I work in.

857
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: I have not set up my cool background for being

858
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: a YouTuber like you guys have.

859
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Speaker 5: But at least, Brian, I did hang up a towel

860
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Speaker 5: to kill the glare coming in from that window behind me.

861
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Speaker 5: You know, you got to respect that. This is my

862
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863
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864
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Speaker 1: The difference between Drago and Rocky four with the professional

865
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Speaker 5: I'm drinking like like powdered crush out of a out

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna aff around on this MK window. You

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Speaker 1: know we got a big fight next week. Uh Lomachenko Lopez.

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Speaker 1: You're probably gonna hear from us.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how often.

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Speaker 1: You know, We're not gonna always be there when your call,

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Speaker 1: will probably never be on time. But this has been

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Speaker 1: MK boxing hardcorees for rape bugs.

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Speaker 2: It's your boy BC. We out