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Speaker 1: Pye State Speakers Series, Tessa Clause coming in here, Joe Teslafre, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Golden voice there at ESPN as we enter the holiday season.

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Speaker 2: Those are real palm trees behind you, are they not?

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Speaker 3: They are right there. Remember the original Christmas included palm trees.

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Speaker 3: So that's where we're at.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we are.

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Speaker 3: I live in Naples, Florida.

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Speaker 1: So this is the scene here, and that's as specific

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Speaker 1: as we want to get with address.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing? Man?

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Speaker 1: You've been making the speaking circuit lately. You've been in

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Speaker 1: the booth and then you came down and you you

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Speaker 1: graced the mic there for the Tallahassee Quarterback Club.

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Speaker 2: I believe I saw.

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Speaker 1: And the thing about it is I didn't know because

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Speaker 1: you don't run your schedule by me. But all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden I start getting text from down Seminole Way. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Joe walked into the Belly of the Beast, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about? Oh, we came

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Speaker 1: to the Quarterback Club. So I went and I thought

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Speaker 1: it was you do a lot of boxing.

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Speaker 2: I thought you returned very well, you took, you gave.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was surgical.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you and excuse me laughing here as we

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Speaker 3: come on, because you and I were just talking before

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Speaker 3: you start recording, and the two of us could bes

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Speaker 3: all day long, as we often do by text or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, wasn't it. The beehive that was buzzing for those

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Speaker 3: forty eight hours which is now turned. It has not dissipated.

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Speaker 3: It may have only gotten worse, because that's what Twitter

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Speaker 3: fuel and conspiracy theories do. But the people there at

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Speaker 3: the Touchdown Club in Tallahassee are absolutely wonderful, and that

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Speaker 3: was a great night to celebrate some high school football players,

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Speaker 3: to celebrate the phenomenal season that Famou had and that

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Speaker 3: was of course intended to be nothing but celebration, but

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Speaker 3: I welcomed it in terms of the ability to speak,

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Speaker 3: selection committee, and then open it up to the crowd

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Speaker 3: for questions and answers. And they were lovely hosts. I

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Speaker 3: will absolutely share with you because it was understood before that,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Florida State message boards and the Twitter

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Speaker 3: verse was coming hard with threats and let's disrupt the evening.

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Speaker 3: I hope, I hope his teeth get knocked out and

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Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. That's garbage. Man. You got

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Speaker 3: beautiful people in that room that cherish the sports, celebrate

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Speaker 3: mattering in the lives of young people. And it was

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Speaker 3: an honor to be there. And I'm glad you watched it.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I did have to. I did have to

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Speaker 3: being filmed or YouTube. There saw some dude out there

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get him, Okay, whatever, But thank you for

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Speaker 3: watching it, lovely. And by the way, Jimbo's son was

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Speaker 3: So here's the guy that's also coming back and forth

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Speaker 1: Now, I thought that was awesome, and that's included. You

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Speaker 1: It's Joe test Is down at the Quarterback Club in Tallahassee.

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Speaker 1: Reason I was drawn to it was because I thought

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Speaker 1: There have been other people in our space that have

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Speaker 1: We've all maybe been there a time or two in

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're correct, And let me go back here to

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Speaker 3: So, I'm broadcasting on Saturday night on ABC the Florida

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have sat there and said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I know what you're really about Like I know,

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Speaker 2: if anything, it's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: To have Florida State come back to the national table.

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Speaker 1: It's a good thing to inject that into the sport.

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Speaker 1: No one's rooting against Florida State, at least when it

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Speaker 3: And also let's acknowledge this when it comes to the

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Speaker 3: through ten years with nine years of not having that

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Speaker 3: So it's almost fitting that on the last year of

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Speaker 3: And I said this. You probably heard me say this

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Speaker 3: benefit for the state dominating the ACC and winning the ACC.

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Speaker 3: It'll benefit the winner of a lessons of Big twelve.

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Speaker 3: But the system next year that is currently approved with

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Speaker 1: All right, So I really won't plan on going here,

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Speaker 3: Why the NFL actually has a structure, It has a

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what else is about to happen.

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Speaker 1: On top of all that, you're gonna have the most

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Speaker 2: Well, you can't.

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Speaker 3: Everybody went into the room with some great intentions, with

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Speaker 2: Remind people who that was, by the way, please do

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Speaker 3: own interest in mind. I just think that that was

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Speaker 3: a very awkward period in our sport, from summer of

436
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 3: that year through the following winter of Okay, like, what

437
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 3: are we all angry about here? Like, let's just move

438
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Speaker 3: forward and make the sport great.

439
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have you have your own production company.

440
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Speaker 1: When you guys eventually do the documentary of basically basically

441
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: COVID through twenty twenty three college football, you can't call

442
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: it thirty for thirty. It's gonna be like a ninety

443
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Speaker 1: for ninety whatever you want to call it. I don't

444
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: even how many hours would you need, even after you

445
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: shaved down the final product, because think about how many

446
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: stories you're telling It's like an onion with seventeen layers

447
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: on it. Just if nothing else happened but COVID, it

448
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: would be wild. If nothing else happened but INIL. If

449
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 1: nothing else happened butt portal, if nothing else happened but

450
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Speaker 1: conference realign, and if nothing else happened but playoff expansion,

451
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: that would be wow.

452
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Speaker 2: All of it happened in the same half decade, man.

453
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Speaker 3: And that's why I'm telling you it was too much

454
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Speaker 3: change for the system to handle. The system of college

455
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: football is just one notch removed from what I deal with,

456
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 3: traveling around the world calling championship boxing. There is no

457
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: such thing as boxing. There's no boxing. The league, it's

458
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: just all these different fyfetoms and promoters. It's a marketplace,

459
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 3: it's an economy. Well, college football is not that much

460
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: further off than that of not having a centralized organization

461
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: and league, of being these tribal fifetoms that are all

462
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: trying to agree to something, and because of that, you

463
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: don't have great infrastructure and system in place. And there

464
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: was too much chaos and too much change in too

465
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: much of a condensed period of time for that to handle.

466
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Speaker 3: Because we hadn't yet funneled to where we have central leadership.

467
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Speaker 3: And without that central leadership, you can't adapt in real

468
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: time time and be quick enough and nimble enough to

469
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: handle it.

470
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Speaker 2: You work alongside Jesse Palmer every weekend.

471
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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 1: I am a guy who watches nothing but college football,

473
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Speaker 1: so I know Jesse Palmer. I know Jesse Palmer, the

474
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Speaker 1: college football quarterback. I know Jesse Palmer, the dude who

475
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: has been on television talking college football for well over

476
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Speaker 1: a decade now, and he does that. That is who

477
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: he is. To me, I recently discovered because I've been

478
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: pulled in different pop culture directions. He does the baking show,

479
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: he has done GMA. I mean, he's doing every version

480
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: of the Bachelor there is, including the Golden Bachelor. And

481
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: now there are rumblings, johon't if you know this. There

482
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: are rumblings we may have a Golden Bachelorette, which I

483
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: contend won't do as well, but we'll see. And you

484
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: sit beside him, and the guy does not need to

485
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: work another day in his life. But I was talking

486
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: to you about him recently and you said, you have

487
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: no idea. This dude is like a supernova, never sleeps

488
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: and grinds and still invests every second into the sport

489
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: that he always has And I don't know that that

490
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: story gets told the way it needs to. So please

491
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: crank up your plane and just drag the Jesse Palmer

492
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: banner behind it for a few minutes.

493
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: Here.

494
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: What's it like working alongside that guy? Being pulled in

495
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: like different.

496
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: With this because you mentioned it, and he'll be so

497
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: upset that I say this, because he's the most humble

498
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: and modest person there is and self effacing he just

499
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: truly is. He's a true gentleman to the core. He's

500
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 3: so wildly successful as the host of the Bachelor, and

501
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: you can't turn on ABC Prime Time without Jesse Palmer

502
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: hosting a show. You can't turn on the TV through

503
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: network without Jesse Pumper. He's a legitimate, massive TV star

504
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: And no, he doesn't need to be doing this, but

505
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 3: his passion for college football is unparalleled. He's one of us,

506
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: like he's one of the daily grind guys. He's the

507
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 3: endemic media daily grind guy and he just can't live

508
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: without it. And when we were together at one point

509
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Speaker 3: this past year, and by the way, we're as post

510
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: his family as could be. Just so, you know, we've

511
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: been working together since two thousand and seven. He's been

512
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: you know, in and around my family for years and years.

513
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: His current wife, you know, we met her as soon

514
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Speaker 3: as they started dating, and we're you know, out together.

515
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: And they've probably spent six or seven Thanksgivings at our

516
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: home together. So where's closest could be. We vacationed it.

517
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Speaker 3: You know, we're in France together this summer, celebrating their

518
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 3: blessed news that they're going to be parents. So I

519
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 3: have a perspective on Jesse and his life that's unique.

520
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: He can't go without the sport, he can't go without

521
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: watching film, he can't go without prepping. So it's been wonderful.

522
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: I love Greg McElroy and we had many great years together.

523
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: But with Greg and his new position, it's been wonderful

524
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: a reunite with Jesse day in and day out. Now

525
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: I'll give you one quick story. He's filming the finale

526
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: of The Golden Bachelor, which did monster numbers. He's in

527
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Speaker 3: Costa Rica. We are doing zoom calls with coaches. We're

528
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Speaker 3: literally doing zoom calls with Josh Pitel and he's in

529
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Speaker 3: a rainforest in Costa Rica, and he's watching Tennessee film

530
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 3: in a rainforest in Costa Rica, and he's texting me

531
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: all day long, because you know, these shoots could be

532
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: five minutes with Gary out there in the Champagne and

533
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: then it's ten hours of you sitting back in a

534
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: hut in Costa Rica. I assure you that there has

535
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: never been anybody who's watched Breaking Down SEC film sitting

536
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: in a rainforest in Costa Rica. Jesse Palmer was that guy, right,

537
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: he was that guy, and that's who he is.

538
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: That that right there will be clipped out of context

539
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: and used in a future SEC promost.

540
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Speaker 2: But that's how much it means. You want to know

541
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: how much more it means they you didn't even know

542
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: they knew about college football down there.

543
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: So Jesse Palmer has taken Tennessee football to the rainforest.

544
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's watching Dragonfly, he's watching all twenty two and

545
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: Breaking Down Joe Milton from a rainforest in Costa Rica.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

547
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: That is fat.

548
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: And then he.

549
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 3: Also had to do a shoot way up in the

550
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: northwest corner of Canada where it was like a land

551
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: in the Saskatchewan and then you drive like eight hours

552
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: and he's texted me the whole time because now he's

553
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: watching Florida State film while he's doing that for eight

554
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: hours in like the Yukon. So yeah, he's been all

555
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: over the hemisphere of breaking down film. But he loves

556
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: it and he's a joy to work with and we're

557
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: also thrilled for his success and he's going to have

558
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: you know, I'm looking forward to hearing what he has

559
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: to say with this, with this Florida State Georgia Orange

560
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: Bowl that we're calling the Scorn Bowl, the All Snub Bowl.

561
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: By the way, let me ask you this, Josh, And

562
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: in speaking of people's success, we're far too deep into this,

563
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: into this podcast and this visit, and I should have

564
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: been the first thing I said, but congratulating you on

565
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: your growth and success with the show. And I've talked

566
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: to you for years about this, and we talked about

567
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: the fact that as much as the sport as the

568
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: second most popular sport in the country, it was grossly

569
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: underserved for a segment. It was a one day a

570
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: week sport from start to finish. It overtakes everything in

571
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: Saturday in America. I'm sorry, but if it's that interest

572
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 3: and twenty and thirty and forty million people every week

573
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: car tuning in collectively to watch it and go to

574
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: it intended. Then where is my dose of it? My

575
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: good solid dose on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday. There

576
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: are only a handful of people who have served the

577
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: fan better than you have with your product, and we

578
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: know who they are. I just mentioned Greg mclroy. He's

579
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: in that, and Kole's in that, and a few of

580
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: the great writers out there. But I could make an

581
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: argument that very very few people, if any, have served

582
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: the fan day and day out better than you have

583
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: with what you've hit on in recent years. And you know,

584
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: I'm a daily listener and viewer and talk to you

585
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: all the time. But it's wonderful and it's what the

586
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: sport needs. So keep it up and congratulations on all

587
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: your success.

588
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, man.

589
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: No, I tell the staff all the time, and i've

590
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, my dad asks me, hey, do you ever

591
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: hear from other people within the industry, And I tell them, well, yeah,

592
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: you hear from a lot of them, but you learn

593
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: whose feedback to truly value and who's feedback to just absorb.

594
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: And You've always been a guy who is not shy

595
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: about giving feedback, but it's always constructive. There's always logic

596
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: behind it. And you, I know, you take in a

597
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in our space. So I appreciated that, man,

598
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: because you've you've forgotten more about this stuff than I know,

599
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: and have been doing it a lot longer than.

600
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: I turn on the mind.

601
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: All that means you see this, right, hair, bro.

602
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: But I appreciate it, mand.

603
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: But what I was when I where I was going,

604
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: because I mentioned Georgia and you know, Jesse calling Georgia

605
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: and Florida State with me in the Capitol and Orange Bowl,

606
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: is when I think of Ford State in Georgia and

607
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: we have this this bigger discussion. And one of the

608
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: things about the college football playoff selection committee is I

609
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: do feel like and I brought this up with a

610
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: touchdown club where it's always been a little vague as so,

611
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: what's the criteria here? What are we looking for when

612
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: we say best or we say deserving, we say rewarding.

613
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: Why didn't we just take all six of these teams

614
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: that were in consideration and throw them into the bucket

615
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: and really assess them at the end of the year.

616
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: Why did we make certain assumptions over here not apply

617
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: the same criteria there. But don't we actually ask ourselves,

618
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: Josh Pate, do you believe that Georgia, if we're ranking

619
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: best teams, is the number six team in this country?

620
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: No?

621
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Speaker 3: I do not, nor do I, nor do I. And

622
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: I just got I watched more Georgia film this morning, right,

623
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: got my express So I just said, list, I'm going

624
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: to watch a quarter here. You cannot with a straight

625
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: face tell me that if we're ranking the best teams

626
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: in America, there is no possibility of that being a

627
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: true statement.

628
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, I've never made this argument because

629
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: it's like an Overton window sort of thing.

630
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: The argument's been drawn so far over to this side.

631
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't dare try and pull it all the way

632
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: to the logical inverse, because the logical inverse is, guys,

633
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 1: if you really, if you really wanted to boil down

634
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: to this thing, not only could I ignore your record.

635
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Florida State, I'm speaking of generalities now.

636
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: Not only could I ignore your record, not only could

637
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: I just pour water all over you conference record and whatnot.

638
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: I could just tell you I think I may have

639
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: watched the National Championship game in Atlanta two weeks.

640
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: Ago, because most likely you do.

641
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: I mean, like, come on, because most likely you did.

642
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: And having said that, Alabama still has flaws, this is

643
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: not a tremendous vintage Alabama team. What it is. It's

644
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: a team And give credit to both coach Saban and

645
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: Tommy Reeves that found a way to adapt. They sat

646
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: back at a certain point said, right, listen, these are

647
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: the ingredients we have, So here's the dish we're going

648
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: to make. And they did a masterful job of adding

649
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: to the playbook eliminating certain things. I mean, the quarterback

650
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: runs stuff to the outside, which then opens up passing

651
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: range with then gained the kid confidence, which then saw

652
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: him blossom into now what he's become is a credit

653
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: to what they did as coaches. I mean, that's that's

654
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: absolutely just as obvious as could be. But that doesn't

655
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: mean that they are the team that they perfectly want

656
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: to be. They're not. What it was is an extremely

657
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: great coaching job with a kid who did a great

658
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: job of listening, believing, adapting, and growing. And then an

659
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: elite defense with pockets of extremely elite talent obviously off

660
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: the edge and the defensive backfield especially with some core

661
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: guys in the front three that are playing good and

662
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: doing their job, and then phenomenal scheme with also tremendous

663
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: defensive coaching that showed up in the SEC Championship game

664
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: as they made a change there as well of having

665
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: Dallas Turner not get caught up into space with the

666
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: slot receiver but rather go and impact the quarterback, which

667
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: you saw the rest of the game. But they're somewhat thought,

668
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: but still I do believe what you said, you most

669
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: likely watched the National Championship game with what you saw

670
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: the other day.

671
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: You know, that's going back to what you talked about

672
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago. That's where my biggest concern is

673
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: about the future and about the expanded playoff format, because

674
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't think people can visualize something in many cases

675
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: until it's in front of their face, and so I

676
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: don't think people can visualize taking your ideal twelve team

677
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: format but placing it over a Super two landscape, because

678
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: you're still thinking Power five version of college football, and

679
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: that's not here anymore, and we move in the future.

680
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: And what makes me so concerned is I have never

681
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: believed long term that people are going to willingly fool

682
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: themselves into believing those playoff spots are of the same

683
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: value they've always been. You're never going to decrease the

684
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: scarcity and maintain the value of anything, playoff spots included.

685
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: And also, you're not going to kid yourself for very long.

686
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: You're going to see SEC Big ten football, and you're

687
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: going to understand there's nothing else that comes close. And

688
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: you're going to see an eleven to one conference champ

689
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: from whatever else is out there, and they're going to

690
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: make the playoff, and they may get steamrolled, or maybe

691
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: they don't, maybe they beat up or maybe they beat

692
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: a beat up version of a team from those other conferences.

693
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: And eventually even the most most jaded mind out there

694
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: is going to look and say, what are we really

695
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: talking about with the playoff? Making it through that SEC

696
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: schedule is more impressive than making it through this.

697
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't the SEC now want you really want Twitter

698
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: buzz and you want people to think there's conspiracies and

699
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: what These assets are not the same. No, these brands

700
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: are not the same. These quantifiables do not measure up

701
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: moving forward. They just don't. Okay, So then why is

702
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: the SEC even or even the Big ten even grouped

703
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: in with all this, Why are we even putting this forth?

704
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: If your greg sank, why don't you run and control

705
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: your own playoffs and produce a champion, just like the

706
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: NFL did for years, the AFL did for years. And

707
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: then he said, hey, why don't you take your champion

708
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: and our champion. We'll meet up here. We'll call it

709
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: a super Bowl and see what happens. Right. But it

710
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: was much tougher to win the NFL during those nineteen

711
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: sixties years than it was to win the AFL. And

712
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: that's why it was such a monumental breakthrough when Joe

713
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: Namath and the Jets went fifty miles away from me

714
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: down here and pulled off an upset against the Baltimore Colts.

715
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: But if you're if you can say, here's what we are,

716
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: and here's what our brand and asset is, why are

717
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: you lowering yourself down to then a system that doesn't

718
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: acknowledge or recognize that is because of the greater good

719
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 3: of the game and the history and tradition of the game,

720
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: and this national appeal. Because I trust me, I would

721
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: have no problem of understanding what I'm watching if I

722
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: saw a playoff among those sixteen teams. Yeah, and I

723
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: would understand who, in my eyes is the best team.

724
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: I deal with it. I'm a wife, I'm boxing guy,

725
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: So I understand different organizations and different champions and different

726
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: and I understand who the best is, right, And so

727
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: I think you can make an argument for that. I

728
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: really do. And you wouldn't have all this messages that

729
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: we've been describing, and then you would also have like

730
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: you also don't need the NCAA. You could just set

731
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: your own parameters and rules. Yep. Yeah, you can say,

732
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: here's the rules we play, Here's what we think is

733
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: what we call eligibility. Also, and I sent this to

734
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: you earlier today because I wanted to share it with

735
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: you because I knew this conversation would go here. In

736
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, Sports Business Journal called me up and

737
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: asked me what I thought the current state of college football,

738
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: and then it went viral because I said, can we

739
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 3: stop with the sham? Like, can we stop even dealing

740
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: with student athlete scholarship athlete college football? What you're going

741
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: to have, and it's going to happen sooner than later,

742
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: is professionalized football that happens to be a satellite to

743
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: the brands of the academic institution. So it maintains the

744
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: history book, the stats, the lineage, the pageantry, the colors,

745
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: the traditions of the university. It where's the jerseys, It

746
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: has the band, but it's just a satellite representation to

747
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: the university. So kids don't need to go to school,

748
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: they don't need to like stop with the whole, Like

749
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: just cut them bilic accord, Like, what are we doing

750
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: if we have twenty four to thirty two teams that

751
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: care to play the sport at a certain level of

752
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: conduct themselves in a certain level, that are out to

753
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: win national championships with financial resources that are like you know,

754
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: armies and military budgets of countries, and the purpose of

755
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: the boosters and where they want to spend their money

756
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: is on this and just recognize it for what it is.

757
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: Stuck with the.

758
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: Sham of it.

759
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me these.

760
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 3: Twenty four to thirty two teams are playing professionalized college

761
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: football where they represent their just marketing branches and arms

762
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: and representation of the traditions, the grand traditions of the

763
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: university and the football lineage. But this is what it

764
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: is now. And the other part of that I graduated

765
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: and I sit on the board of regions of the

766
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: university that won't do that and isn't doing that. I

767
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 3: went to Boston College, my son played at Boston College.

768
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: We're not going to do that. Okay, that's fine, understand that,

769
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: But why are we pretending like we're still competing with

770
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: people who are doing that. Yeah.

771
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: The other part of that is coaches right now are screaming,

772
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: like never before, this is unsustainable. Our schedule, our calendar

773
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: is unsustainable. We've got to put guardrails on this, guardrails

774
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: on that. And it's very obvious, as plain as day

775
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: that the only way to do that from this point

776
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: moving forward is not putting toothpaste back in tube. It's

777
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: acknowledging it's already out. So let's acknowledge it, like you said,

778
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: for what it is, and let's go this route.

779
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: Because that's how you.

780
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: Get kids locked into a contract. They're employed, so you

781
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: lock them into a contract. That's how you make sure

782
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: that you don't have to re recruit your roster every

783
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: single note figure. That's how you make sure you're not

784
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: having to renegotiate with your right guard before your rivalry game.

785
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: That's how you make sure that kids aren't coming to

786
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: you and saying, hey, I'm not playing the rest of

787
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: the season because I want to maintain my red shirt.

788
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 2: You don't have to deal with that garbage anymore.

789
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: If you go that route, and coaches screaming up the

790
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: ladder makes their ads scream up the ladder, and eventually

791
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: conference commissioners and television executives probably get in a room

792
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: and figure that out. But I remember you sent me that,

793
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: and I remember when that came out and people were screaming, Oh,

794
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: this is crazy. This is like year three thousand type stuff. Dude,

795
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: it was twenty twenty one when you did that interview,

796
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: twenty four months ago.

797
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 3: Correct. But you know, I'm laughing because I'm not quite

798
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: sure that the two of us are recording a podcast

799
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 3: right now, as much as we're just having a phone

800
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: call where we're ranting the way we work anyways, which

801
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 3: what I don't want to get lost here because I really,

802
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: by the way, if anybody who's never seen me in

803
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: this forum before, because I I don't do social media, right,

804
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 3: I don't do this kind of stuff. I don't. I

805
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: just try to broadcast games professionally and in a refined way.

806
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: With Jesse and so I know a lot of people

807
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: don't see me in this kind of forum of who

808
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: I fully authentically am. But I love the game, man,

809
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: like I love ball, like I love ball, crazy levels

810
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: of love and ball. Like I just I go back

811
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 3: and watch games all week long, love and ball. So

812
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: I don't want to get lost and complaining about the

813
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: business of college football. But it's back right, So I

814
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: don't want to get so lost and so down the

815
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: rabbit hole that the two of us people are listening

816
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: to this and two us like, man, it's this test

817
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 3: tourent pain complaining and hating on the state of college football. Yeah,

818
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: I do hate on it, but it's because I passionately

819
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: love the game. Passionately love the game, and I believe

820
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: in the game greatly, and I believe it's one of

821
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: the last things we have in American sports that's not

822
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 3: deluded and disposable and that matters, like everything still matters

823
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: in college football greatly. We don't have a lot of

824
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: that in American sports. American sports, like a lot of

825
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: American culture and a lot of American product, is quantity

826
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: over quality, like it really is. I know the NFL

827
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: has got the most eyeballs and the most reach and

828
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: all this stuff. But with the growth of gambling and

829
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: fantasy football and the quantity of games, stuff just goes

830
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: off into the ether end just kind of goes away.

831
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: That never happens in college football. Stuff just doesn't drift away.

832
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 3: Every game matters. Every game is like a movie. Every

833
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 3: game's a memorable moment. Every game our alumni with their

834
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: colors on where they're all out and it's it's tribal

835
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: and it represents their identity in life, right and we

836
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of that. That's European soccer. That's

837
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: individual moments of combat sports. That's four times a year

838
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 3: in major tennis and major golf or huge global events.

839
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: It's more one off global events. And in America we

840
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: become a quantity culture, especially with our sports, especially with

841
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 3: pro sports. I mean especially with pro sports, and college

842
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: football is the last remaining big time sport in America

843
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 3: where everything still greatly matters. Every event is a standalone event.

844
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Value Bee, you give me still fired up, dude, wet

845
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: look tell me so fired up. I was excited about

846
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: this because you're right, no one ever sees this version

847
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: of you, but people know street tests exists. I wanted

848
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: street Test to be put in front of the world

849
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: because you could. You could come in here and take

850
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: people's jobs tomorrow. If you wanted to shift over to

851
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: this lane, it would be entertaining, it would be great.

852
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: I'm good man. I like listen to you. You're my boy.

853
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 3: I like listening to you every day. I'm good with this, man.

854
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: I sit up, I slam espresso, I listen to the podcast,

855
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: I watch games back, I read, I call coaches, I

856
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: hang and then we switch over to different beverages at

857
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: four fifteen.

858
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: What, by the way, the espresso.

859
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: So I'm drinking something out of a generic cup that

860
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: frankly tastes like it was filtered through a jockstrap this morning.

861
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: What is your espresso of choice?

862
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: Oh man, I like listening, So just in the house. Obviously,

863
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: you know I don't buy. Jesse's got the machine now. Now,

864
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: Jesse's got the grind. I mean he's got the thing

865
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,239
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Speaker 2: The whole day.

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Speaker 1: But it's because of love for the sport. You get

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Speaker 2: I have less.

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Speaker 1: Responsibility than you because during the game, I just get

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Speaker 2: I never thought i'd go to those places. Man.

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Speaker 1: these venues and these cultures and different just little enclaims

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Speaker 1: three and a half hours in their stadium on TV

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Speaker 1: on Saturdays. So I got to ask you not to

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Speaker 1: leave anyone out, but just to highlight some of the

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Speaker 3: A night game at LSUE for me is always very special, right,

941
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Speaker 3: So you got to understand, you know, you know, my Baxter,

942
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943
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Speaker 3: You know, my mother came over from Italy, my entire

944
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Speaker 3: family and sports, American sports was a great way of assimilation,

945
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Speaker 3: especially for my mother's side of the family. My father

946
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Speaker 3: family was already over here from Midaly before. They were

947
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948
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Speaker 3: we had some folks that got went to Boston College,

949
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953
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Speaker 3: bro that team was like that. That was my like,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm an Italian dude in New York watching LSU

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Speaker 3: you remember that? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I grew up on that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, so that Tommy Hotson, Wendell Davis at Henry

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Speaker 3: Thomas team, So you know, years now of going down LSU,

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Speaker 3: and that's still is very special to me, especially at

962
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Speaker 3: that game at LSU and everything about it, from the

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964
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Speaker 3: my director Jeff Evers on ABC and I we go

965
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Speaker 3: for a morning jog through the tailgate, and I mean earlier,

966
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Speaker 3: like we're doing a game at seven thirty, seven thirty

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Speaker 3: Like the gumbo, you know, the coffin, the purple painted

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Speaker 3: coffin with the ice chest and the beer. The booze

971
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972
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Speaker 3: of the sausage and it's awesome. So that's about as

973
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Speaker 3: high on the list as could be. But I've cherished

974
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Speaker 3: every place I go to, Like I like going you know,

975
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Speaker 3: it's a hell of a trip for me. But I

976
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Speaker 3: like going to Oregon also understand what that's become. Matt

977
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Speaker 3: Millan and I used to do so many Oregon games

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981
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982
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983
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984
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Speaker 3: I did so many Oregon games, so I always enjoy that.

985
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Speaker 3: I enjoy USC when they're good. I enjoy every place

986
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Speaker 3: in the SEC because I've got every restaurant connection in

987
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Speaker 3: the world now, from you know, starting SEC Nation right

988
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 3: through all the games I've always done. I've probably done

989
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: more SEC games for the last fifteen years than any

990
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 3: other conference. But I like it all about Mikey Stadium,

991
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Speaker 3: and I haven't done a game there in years, but

992
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Speaker 3: just as an experience, when you're at West Point and

993
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Speaker 3: it's an autumn afternoon and here come the helicopters, the

994
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Speaker 3: Blackhawk helicopters rising up over the Hudson to Mikey Stadium

995
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Speaker 3: and the autumn leaves are in the background, and then

996
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Speaker 3: the core Cadets marches out and then here come the

997
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Speaker 3: black Nights. I mean that is like you feel like

998
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Speaker 3: a history book is opening up and you're diving headfirst

999
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Speaker 3: in job. So you could probably name a lot of towns,

1000
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Speaker 3: a lot of stadiums, and I've been very blessed to

1001
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Speaker 3: broadcast from almost all of them, and I would probably

1002
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Speaker 3: find something that would tell you I can romanticize it

1003
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: or I can cherish it. And that's true because I

1004
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Speaker 3: do listen. I love this. I love the sport endlessly.

1005
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Speaker 3: You know, my family, My family spent probably twenty years

1006
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Speaker 3: being in Chestnut Hill around the reservoir, lined up with

1007
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Speaker 3: cars to be the first five cars in so that

1008
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Speaker 3: we could set up tables and grills and do so

1009
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Speaker 3: sausage sandwiches, and then BC players would be coming out

1010
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Speaker 3: after the game with entire loaves of Italian bread stuck

1011
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Speaker 3: with sausage and peppers. I can remember Big ron Stone

1012
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: while on play fifteen years in the NFL, sitting there

1013
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Speaker 3: eating one of my dead's giants sausage sandwiches after every

1014
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 3: home game. So I just listen. I was a fan

1015
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,920
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Speaker 1: Dad, if you had doubt, whether Joe Tessitore was a

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1022
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1023
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1025
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1026
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1027
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Speaker 1: You know what it was to me because I lived

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1030
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1031
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1032
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1033
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1034
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Speaker 1: because you don't need to do it ten times. You

1035
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1036
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1037
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1039
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1040
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1041
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1042
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1045
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1046
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1047
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1048
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1050
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1051
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Speaker 3: New technology and new media changes things. Because it doesn't

1055
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1056
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1057
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1062
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1063
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1064
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1065
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1067
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Speaker 3: you know where the NBA headquarters are. They're in Midtown Manhattan.

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Speaker 3: The NHL headquarters are in Midtown Manhattan. Pro leagues are

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Speaker 3: located there. The media buyers are in Midtown Manhattan, Madison Avenue.

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Speaker 3: Marketers are in Midtown Manhattan. The heads of television all

1071
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1072
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1073
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1074
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1075
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1076
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Speaker 3: to the party, it's with reason because their proximity to power.

1077
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Speaker 3: And never forget that phrase proximity to power. They weren't

1078
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Speaker 3: within proximity.

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Speaker 1: I just want to pause and marinate on it for

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00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: a second. So my last thing that I want to

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00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: hit you with. I can't add anything more onto what

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00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: you just said. It was beautifully put. My last thing

1083
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: that I want to hit you with. I had a

1084
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: conversation with one of our mutual good friends yesterday who

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00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: shall remain nameless.

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00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 3: Oh but you know it's top in my head. In

1087
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: a second, Yeah, go, yeah, it will.

1088
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: He called me and said, hey, so I've got some

1089
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: people who keep hitting me up and asking for advice

1090
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: or connections or can you open a door for me?

1091
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: And he asked, what do you tell people when they

1092
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: ask you that? So I'm going to ask you. I'm

1093
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: sure people hit you all the time. I know at

1094
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: that Quarterback Club that I was listening to you speak at,

1095
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: someone asked you, what advice would you give so generically

1096
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: or as specific as you'd like to get when people

1097
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: ask Joe Tessitur, what kind of advice do you give

1098
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: If I'm eighteen twenty two thirty two and I want

1099
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: to do this, I think I have skill and passion

1100
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: for it.

1101
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: What do you tell them.

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00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 3: I'm such a bad person to ask, because I'm so

1103
00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: reality based pragmatic. I never want to curb anybody's passion

1104
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 3: or desires or pursuit of excellence. But I also think

1105
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 3: that higher education in our country, which has become a

1106
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 3: revenue center and a for profit and a retail purchase,

1107
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: and we should not have the proliferation growth of colleges

1108
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: and universities the way we've had over the last twenty

1109
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: five years, and tuition mics and not everybody should be

1110
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 3: going to college, and we have a paucity of those

1111
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 3: with trades and skills who could have wonderful high in

1112
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 3: commarning lives. But one of the things that we've put

1113
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: in the storefront window is being the sideline reporter or

1114
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: the television anchor, or the game broadcaster or the host

1115
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 3: of entertainment tonight. And that would be like putting in

1116
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: the storefront window for eighteen to twenty two year olds

1117
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: being a Hollywood starlet and a leading man actor. And

1118
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 3: part of this is breaks and luck and timing. And

1119
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you that you can't have a career

1120
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: in sports media or on TV, but a couple things here.

1121
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: When a red light goes on, you're going to know

1122
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: in your chess whether or not this is for you

1123
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: really quickly, like really really quickly. So you can read

1124
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: all the books and go to a new house school

1125
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: at Syracuse and Missou and Northwestern and take every electronic

1126
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: media class you want. But let me tell you something, bro,

1127
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 3: when you know you're alive on TV or the red

1128
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: lights on, you're either going to tinkle down your leg

1129
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: or you're not right. So it's not for everybody. And

1130
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: I don't know that you can necessarily. You can learn

1131
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 3: some things, but you got to be a great writer.

1132
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: And when I say a great writer, that doesn't necessarily

1133
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: mean being a writer in the conventional way. Being a

1134
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 3: great writer is being a great communicator. It's using economy

1135
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 3: of words, it's using words that matter. It's being able

1136
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: to funnel things towards a thought that's digestible and expressive

1137
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: and can be easily understood and creative. And we have

1138
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: a generation of really bad writers right now because a

1139
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: lot is written for them, and the standard has been

1140
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: lowered because of social media as to how we communicate,

1141
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 3: and we have less and less writing out there of

1142
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 3: quality the writing we do have, the good stuff is exceptional,

1143
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: but on average we just are producing and people who

1144
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: I think are not as equipped as they were just

1145
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: a generation to go. So my advice is, get experience.

1146
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 3: Put the red light on, see what it feels like,

1147
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: see if it fits for you. So that means college radio,

1148
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 3: college TV, turning on your iPhone, getting after it, and

1149
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: just seeing if it hits you in your heart and

1150
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 3: you feel comfortable and it feels authentic. A lot of

1151
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: times for me when the red light's on, I feel

1152
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: more comfortable than when the red light's off.

1153
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: Men.

1154
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: Huh hey, no, no, yeah, you're you're preaching to the

1155
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: choir there.

1156
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: You know exactly what I'm saying because you do it

1157
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: for a living. Yeah right, I've a way work if

1158
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: you weren't this like I've been on TV. I've been

1159
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 3: working on TV since I was nineteen years old, right,

1160
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: and I was on TV at twenty two. Like for me,

1161
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 3: it's just it's my life. That wasn't the case for you.

1162
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 3: But you knew and by the way you do because

1163
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: you do what I call phrasing just the way like

1164
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 3: Sinatra sings. You understand phrasing when you speak and inflection

1165
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: points and digestible content and economy of words and funneling.

1166
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 3: And by the way, economy of words is the last

1167
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: thing that we've been doing for now an hour and

1168
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: three minutes, or the opposite of economy words. But you

1169
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: understand what I'm talking about. You understand when that red

1170
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 3: light goes on, you're like, and I don't want to

1171
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: swear here, I don't want to be like, but it's like, yeah, man,

1172
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: this is okay. Yeah, because it takes a little bit

1173
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: of confidence. It takes perhaps a shot of hubris and

1174
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: and that confident, that comfortable confidence to be it and

1175
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 3: to live feel it. And I think a lot of

1176
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: people would surprise themselves of that they don't have that.

1177
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: And that's okay, Like, that's okay. Doesn't mean you can't

1178
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: be a great producer, graphics producer, or replay guy or

1179
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: ISO or director. You can still work in the industry.

1180
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: But I think what higher education does and what we

1181
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: do as society as we sell kids on this idea.

1182
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 3: And unfortunately I'm the guy that if my if a

1183
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 3: younger relative of mine came to me is like, hey,

1184
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about doing this, or Mike, we don't come

1185
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 3: on man, go study something and then you can always

1186
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 3: do this, can give this a shot. But like man,

1187
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: my son was in the School of Management. I was

1188
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 3: Masters of Finance. My daughter went to UVA as creative

1189
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 3: writer and now is a French chef at Report on

1190
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 3: Blue in Europe. And I'm so glad they didn't follow

1191
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 3: on my footsteps.

1192
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: Joe tessitore friend of the program as friend of the

1193
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: program is defined.

1194
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: Man, we appreciate it.

1195
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: You've got what you've got Georgia FSU Orange on TV.

1196
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: Then you're jetting out and you.

1197
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: Can wait to be around Ford State fans again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that's their late Christmas present. They get

1200
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Speaker 1: tests under the tree, right.

1201
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you come on it and say welcome, your's

1202
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 3: go Tallahassee.

1203
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: You're doing that, and then you're going to Rose Bowl.

1204
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: You're doing radio for We're gonna hang pre game, We're

1205
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 3: going to down on the field pre game, we're gonna

1206
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 3: have how about that? How about that atmosphere? Yeah, we're

1207
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 3: there for Bama Michigan at the Rose Bowl. I think

1208
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 3: that's gonna be right before kickoff. Well, you'm gonna wait

1209
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Speaker 3: every last second until I got to go upstairs and

1210
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Speaker 3: tall that game.

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Speaker 1: Hey, man, think think about the blimp shot there and

1212
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Speaker 1: now you've got the Crimson juxtapost of the Maze and Blue.

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Speaker 1: It's the early kick. It is the Rose Bowl game.

1214
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: It's not just a game in the correct that's awesome, man.

1215
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Speaker 3: It's the traditional. It's the traditional five o'clock eastern, two

1216
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 3: o'clock Pacific Rose Bowl game, which I really really like.

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Speaker 3: Although I you know, obviously, because Kirk has always called

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Speaker 3: the Rose Bowl, I've never called the Rose Bowl. I've

1219
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 3: done pre game, I've done, you know, all this stuff

1220
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 3: leading up. So I've been out there many years for

1221
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 3: hosting live events and whatever we've done, you know, Jesse

1222
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 3: and I and others and publics through the years. Are

1223
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: you know, I've hosted everything from the Rose Bowl, but

1224
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 3: I've never done the game. I've done many many Sugar Bowls,

1225
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 3: So there's been many times I'm in New Orleans in

1226
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 3: the Dome watching the Rose Bowl. But it's going to

1227
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Speaker 3: be nice to do the Orange Bowl and then get

1228
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Speaker 3: out there and be with everybody for that, because that'll

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Speaker 3: be very.

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Speaker 2: Special, beautiful. Does that eat?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Producer Jesse shout out, what the hell are we doing?

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Speaker 2: We're not done? Yet We're not done yet. Don't worry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying, how how beautiful to stump for

1235
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Speaker 1: another network for a second. How beautiful is that desk

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Speaker 1: shot on the natural surface of the rose bowl with

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Speaker 1: the decorative roses in front of the desk. That is

1238
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Speaker 1: the best pregame postgame shot that I think any network

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Speaker 1: does all year.

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Speaker 3: It is and isn't an interesting that it goes against

1241
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Speaker 3: the grain of what typically is what you think of

1242
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 3: college game day. Right, So I don't have the loud voices,

1243
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: I don't have the excessive, routy cheering in the signs.

1244
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have any of that energy, and

1245
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 3: yet you enjoy.

1246
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Speaker 1: It beautif right, it's quality, all right, I'm being told

1247
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: in my ear director Colin and producer Jesse would like

1248
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Speaker 1: to say hello with a director.

1249
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: Colin with a shout out, and he rarely talks. Now

1250
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Speaker 2: he is doing a very.

1251
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Speaker 3: Nice job with his full shrieks and his video. I

1252
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 3: can tell if he puts his work in he plans

1253
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Speaker 3: out the show. Well, he does a very very nice job.

1254
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Speaker 3: Very good job director he does.

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Speaker 1: He is a soldier and so they wanted me to

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Speaker 1: tell you hello. They're just behind the wall over here.

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Speaker 3: If you want to play no air time ever, ever,

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Speaker 3: don't ye. It's all about the king.

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