Speaker 1: Investigators believe Coburger killed Kaylei Gansalves, Madison Mogan, Zeyner, Kernodle,
Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin inside of a rented home not far
Speaker 1: from the University of Idaho campus. At the time of
Speaker 1: the murders, Coburger was studying at Washington State University, which
Speaker 1: is just a few miles away from the crime scene.
Speaker 2: Outside Coberger's apartment in Pullman, Washington, detectives removing boxes and
Speaker 2: bags from the apartment. They just kept coming out with
Speaker 2: more and more stuff and loading it into evidence vans.
Speaker 2: But in that list of what they brought out, they
Speaker 2: do not list knife in that evidence list.
Speaker 3: This is the Idaho Massacre, a production of KT Studios
Speaker 3: and iHeartRadio, episode five The Days After Death. Courtney Armstrong
Speaker 3: a television producer at KT Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, Jeff Shane,
Speaker 3: and Connor Powell. When Brian Colberger moved to Pullman, Washington
Speaker 3: in early July of twenty twenty two for his pH
Speaker 3: d program, he arrived on campus with his dad driving
Speaker 3: a twenty fifteen white Hondi Atlantra. Within months of arriving
Speaker 3: on campus, Coburger was pulled over by Washington State University Police.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hi, am, officer langis stops being audio and video recorded.
Speaker 3: You think you know why I stopped you. As the
Speaker 3: officer approached the driver's side window, the twenty eight year
Speaker 3: old criminology student respectfully greeted her. Colberger explained he was
Speaker 3: originally from a rural area in Pennsylvania and was new
Speaker 3: to the area. He said he accidentally got caught in
Speaker 3: the intersection before turning left on a red light.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a little bit of confusion with speeding
Speaker 4: because someone had stopped.
Speaker 5: I wasn't sure what they were doing.
Speaker 3: During the nine and a half minute interaction, Coburger politely
Speaker 3: asked the female officer to explain Washington State's traffic laws,
Speaker 3: before he apologized for asking too many questions. Do you
Speaker 3: have your license on you?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 7: Do you have the registration and insurance?
Speaker 5: I'm just going to this off route, Okay.
Speaker 3: The traffic stop was unremarkable and Coburger was let off
Speaker 3: with a warning, But during the brief exchange, which took
Speaker 3: place one month before the murderers, the officer commented that
Speaker 3: Brian Coberger's vehicle registration was set to expire in a
Speaker 3: few months.
Speaker 7: Let's see expires November twenty second, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: For the next month Coburger's wife twenty fifteen, Atlantra remained
Speaker 3: registered in his home state of Pennsylvania, But five days
Speaker 3: after the gruesome murders, Coburger did something he hadn't done
Speaker 3: for months. He changed his registration from Pennsylvania to Washington
Speaker 3: and received new license plates. Was this simply a coincidence,
Speaker 3: a last minute chore that needed to be completed but
Speaker 3: had escaped Coburger's mind ring his first and very busy
Speaker 3: fall semester. Or was this one of the many actions
Speaker 3: Coburger took to try to cover his tracks after killing
Speaker 3: the four University of Idaho students. Here's Stephanie and Jeff.
Speaker 8: It was roughly seven weeks from the time Kaylee, Madison, Zana,
Speaker 8: and Ethan were killed to the time Brian Coburger was arrested.
Speaker 9: To me, the biggest question in this case is obviously
Speaker 9: why did Coburger, if in fact he is guilty, commit
Speaker 9: this crime?
Speaker 8: And maybe asking ourselves why is an impossible question. It's
Speaker 8: kind of applying reason to an irrational situation. Whoever did
Speaker 8: this is obviously a monster, and we're clearly not going
Speaker 8: to be able to assign logic to that person.
Speaker 9: The other good question I have is what was Coburger
Speaker 9: doing in the days and weeks leading up to the
Speaker 9: murders exactly?
Speaker 8: And there are so many unanswered questions at this point,
Speaker 8: but thanks to the Probable Cause AffA David, we do
Speaker 8: know some of the movements and actions of Coburger.
Speaker 3: Brian Coburger's cell phone is at the center of the
Speaker 3: prosecution's case against the twenty eight year old in the
Speaker 3: days and hours before and after the killings, Investigators say
Speaker 3: Coburger's cell phone use paints a disturbing picture of a
Speaker 3: killer stalking his victims and returning to the scene of
Speaker 3: the crime.
Speaker 1: Investigators say they believe the murders took place between four
Speaker 1: and four to twenty five am.
Speaker 3: According to cell phone data, Coburger's phone was connected to
Speaker 3: the cellular network near his apartment in Pulman, Washington, at
Speaker 3: four forty two am on the morning of the murders.
Speaker 3: His phone disappeared from the network and was switched off
Speaker 3: between two forty seven am and four forty eight a m.
Speaker 3: On the morning of the murders. Police say in the
Speaker 3: Probable Cause Affidavid that this is quote consistent with Coburger
Speaker 3: attempting to conceal his location during the quadruple homicide. Here's
Speaker 3: reporter Chris Bargo.
Speaker 4: At two forty two in the morning. Brian Coburger's cell
Speaker 4: phone is recorded as sort of being on the network
Speaker 4: in Pullman, Washington, where his dormitory is on Washington State
Speaker 4: University campus. Then a few minutes later goes off the
Speaker 4: network and is disconnected. From that point on, there's just
Speaker 4: counts of people seeing his white hand lantro, so his
Speaker 4: white han day luntra scene leaving Pullman shortly after that,
Speaker 4: and then around three point thirty itt scene in Moscow. Now,
Speaker 4: the direct route from Pullman to Moscow is about fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes tops, and this is late at night, so it's
Speaker 4: not going to be any traffic. So it's assumed he
Speaker 4: took some sort of way that would have gone around
Speaker 4: that sort of main road. He would either went up
Speaker 4: north or he went down south and took back rows
Speaker 4: to sort of get there. Because the alleged killer is driving,
Speaker 4: police belief from Pullman to Moscow, if it is indeed Brian,
Speaker 4: that would suggest that it was targeted because that's a
Speaker 4: very specific target. That's a very specific house he's going to.
Speaker 3: At four forty eight am, Coberger's phone comes back online
Speaker 3: and pings a tower just south of Moscow. But police
Speaker 3: say Coburger did not head straight home. Instead, he drove
Speaker 3: a back roads route which was longer and more remote.
Speaker 4: That area that he drove south to where he the
Speaker 4: road sort of goes down south about ten or twenty
Speaker 4: miles and then it turns back up in a u.
Speaker 4: That area at the bottom is just mountains and it's forest.
Speaker 3: He arrives home at five point thirty in the morning,
Speaker 3: where the WSU campus surveillance video captures his white Atlanta
Speaker 3: returning home. A few hours later, Coburger's phone is back
Speaker 3: on the move. In a particularly chilling move, Coburger's phone
Speaker 3: pings a tower near the King roadhouse.
Speaker 10: Ryan Coberger's saleshone allegedly shows him here at nine to
Speaker 10: twelve am and staying for about ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Surveillance video also shows a white Sedan driving past the
Speaker 3: scene of the murders around nine in the morning. Police
Speaker 3: have yet to be called to the gruesome murder scene.
Speaker 3: Stephanie and Jeff.
Speaker 8: It's the oldest cliche in criminal history, the killer always
Speaker 8: returns to the scene of the crime.
Speaker 9: Well, actually, Steph, it's not true for most killers. Many
Speaker 9: serial killers do actually return to the scene of the crime,
Speaker 9: particularly ones who are compulsive or obsessed over their victims.
Speaker 9: For example, Gary Ridgway, who was known as the Green
Speaker 9: River Killer and convicted of forty nine murders, regularly returned
Speaker 9: to the spots he dumped his victims' bodies. Also the
Speaker 9: son of Sam killer David Berkowitz. He told the FBI
Speaker 9: that on nights he couldn't find a victim, he would
Speaker 9: just go back to the scene of previous kills and masturbate.
Speaker 8: That's so sick, I mean, think about it. Returning to
Speaker 8: the scene of the crime is usually part of a
Speaker 8: pattern with killers who are extremely confident and pride themselves
Speaker 8: on being kind of untouchable by law enforcement and basically
Speaker 8: smarter than everybody else. Does that sound like coburger to you.
Speaker 3: Here's Jeff speaking with Adam Wand.
Speaker 9: I'm not a criminology student, but I've seen enough law
Speaker 9: in order to know, like, your cell phone is how
Speaker 9: people track you. And he's like dumb enough to bring
Speaker 9: the phone or turn it on on the way home,
Speaker 9: like he didn't even get all the way home. What
Speaker 9: do you make of his lack of good decisions?
Speaker 10: We have a wonderful idiom in English for his behavior,
Speaker 10: and the idiom is a little bit of knowledge is deadly.
Speaker 3: Adam Want is a digital forensics expert and a professor
Speaker 3: at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. He spoke to
Speaker 3: producer Jeff Shane about how a cell phone can be
Speaker 3: used to establish Kolberger's actions and whereabouts in the immediate
Speaker 3: hours surrounding the killings.
Speaker 10: I think in this specific case, the little bit of
Speaker 10: knowledge he had really hurt him. That little bit of
Speaker 10: knowledge was if I bring my cell phone to the
Speaker 10: scene of the crime, I could be identified as being
Speaker 10: there with my cell phone. And he was right. If
Speaker 10: he brought his cell phone there while it was on,
Speaker 10: we would have much quicker figured out who he was
Speaker 10: and had been able to arrest him. But what he
Speaker 10: did was smart to him. He turned off his phone beforehand,
Speaker 10: he turned it back on afterwards, And if we never
Speaker 10: identified him as a possible suspect, we may never have
Speaker 10: figured out it was actually him because he turned off
Speaker 10: his phone. But once we realize he's a potential suspect,
Speaker 10: and once we see he turned his phone off right
Speaker 10: before that period of time turned it back on shortly
Speaker 10: after that period of time. That's what we call an
Speaker 10: overt action that he took that the jury could look
Speaker 10: at to determine guilt. So ultimately, what he did to
Speaker 10: protect himself because he didn't understand that these issues fully
Speaker 10: actually might be one of the most important pieces of
Speaker 10: information that she used to convict him.
Speaker 9: Because it looks suspicious that his phone turns off for
Speaker 9: this window of time and then turns back on on
Speaker 9: the border of between these two towns.
Speaker 10: Some people might say it looks suspicious that his phone
Speaker 10: turned off and then back on again. I go beyond that.
Speaker 10: It's not just suspicious. He took an action that was
Speaker 10: recorded on his phone. His phone would have recorded him
Speaker 10: turning it off and recorded where he was. And the
Speaker 10: fact that he turned it off and then where he was,
Speaker 10: and the fact that he turned it back on again,
Speaker 10: and the fact that he took the time to turn
Speaker 10: off his phone shortly before the murders and turn it
Speaker 10: right back on shortly after the murders certainly shines a
Speaker 10: spotlight on him that's going to be very hard to reboot.
Speaker 9: He did not turn his phone off at all when
Speaker 9: he drove back any of the other times that he
Speaker 9: had been there.
Speaker 10: Let's face it, a stable, emotionally mature, sane person is
Speaker 10: not going to go kill a houseful of people. In
Speaker 10: this particular case, if the suspect is the murderer, then
Speaker 10: he's probably not completely sane and stable, and things that
Speaker 10: he did, good or bad are going to come up
Speaker 10: in the trial and come up in evidence, and a
Speaker 10: lot of that evidence is going to be used by
Speaker 10: the jury to figure out if he's guilty or not.
Speaker 3: Did Coburger return to the house to try and gather
Speaker 3: evidence such as the knife sheath that he allegedly left
Speaker 3: in the house, or did he return to relive the
Speaker 3: murders like other overconfident killers, or to admire what he'd done.
Speaker 3: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 3: a moment. After revisiting the crime scene and returning home,
Speaker 3: Brian Coberger's day was far from over. According to the
Speaker 3: probable Cause Affidavid Coburger's cellphone data shows he drove south
Speaker 3: from Pullman, Washington to Lewiston, Idaho. The fifty minute drive
Speaker 3: was just the beginning of a day of strange movements.
Speaker 3: Following the murders, six pm, Coburger arrives at an Albertson's
Speaker 3: grocery store in Lewiston.
Speaker 4: Surveillance video at twelve forty nine pm shows Coburger walking
Speaker 4: through the store and purchasing unknown items at the checkout.
Speaker 3: He leaves about fifteen minutes later. Here again, Jeff and Stephanie.
Speaker 9: So why does Brian Coburger make the long drive and
Speaker 9: go to Lewiston, Idaho for some groceries? Polman has stores
Speaker 9: like Safeway and Walmart. In fact, SODA's nearby Moscow. It
Speaker 9: also has a Safeway, a Walmart, and a Target and Adulatry.
Speaker 8: And what does he need from the grocery store in
Speaker 8: Lewiston that he can't get in Pullman or Moscow?
Speaker 9: You know what this reminds me of is Angela Wagner, who,
Speaker 9: along with her husband and two sons, murdered eight members
Speaker 9: of the Rodent family in twenty sixteen. When planning the murders,
Speaker 9: she drove hours away from her house in Pike County
Speaker 9: to get supplies for the murders. She thought she was
Speaker 9: somehow outsmarting detectives by going far away, but thanks to
Speaker 9: very trusty surveillance footage they caught her right handed. Could
Speaker 9: Coburger have been buying something like bleach or other cleaning
Speaker 9: supplies he didn't want copseeing and somehow thought buying it
Speaker 9: far away from where he lived or where the murders
Speaker 9: took place would throw them off.
Speaker 8: Also, Lewiston is located at the confluence of the Snake
Speaker 8: River and the Clearwater River, so if he was trying
Speaker 8: to maybe dispose of a murder weapon like a knife,
Speaker 8: these big rivers would kind of be an ideal spot.
Speaker 3: According to the police Affidavid, Coburger's phone pins a cell
Speaker 3: tower in Johnson, Idaho, roughly four hours later at five
Speaker 3: point thirty pm.
Speaker 8: Let's unpack that a bit, because this is a really
Speaker 8: important fact. There actually is no Johnson, Idaho.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Our friends Deanna Thompson and John Green from our new
Speaker 9: podcast True Crimes pointed out that the Affidavid likely meant
Speaker 9: nearby Johnson, Washington. The town of Johnson is just off
Speaker 9: the highway between Lewiston, Idaho, where Coburger went shopping, and Pullman, Washington,
Speaker 9: where he lived. It's also on the route investigator say
Speaker 9: Coburger traveled after the murders.
Speaker 8: And remember, according to officials, he didn't take the shwe
Speaker 8: direct road between Moscow and Pullman. He took the back
Speaker 8: road country roads instead.
Speaker 9: Later that day, on Sunday, November thirteenth, at five point
Speaker 9: thirty six pm, for three hours, Coburger's phone once again
Speaker 9: was disconnected from cell service. Think about it. This was
Speaker 9: a Sunday in November. It's cold, there's NFL on TV.
Speaker 9: Coburger is busy with his PhD and TA work. This
Speaker 9: is a long time to just be driving around aimlessly,
Speaker 9: especially without your cell phone.
Speaker 8: What was he doing and where was he going? Could
Speaker 8: he have been moving and trying to get rid of evidence?
Speaker 8: Following the murders people who interacted with Coburger so a
Speaker 8: dramatic change in his personality. Before the killings, Coburger was
Speaker 8: disliked by his students at Washington State University, who viewed
Speaker 8: him as strange and remote. Here is Hayden Stinchfield, a
Speaker 8: former student of Coburger's.
Speaker 11: When he came into class, he was very, you know,
Speaker 11: not super mentally present. He would stand up the front
Speaker 11: look at the ground. He had a lot of like
Speaker 11: boiler plate responses he would give people rather than you know,
Speaker 11: maybe something he had thought up on the spot. It
Speaker 11: seemed like he would be you know, he'd come in
Speaker 11: knowing what he was going to say to Like most interactions.
Speaker 3: As a teaching assistant, Coburger was disliked by undergraduates because
Speaker 3: of his difficult grading and condescending tone. He was also
Speaker 3: accused of being sexist and acting inappropriately towards female students.
Speaker 3: One young woman said he creepily followed her to her car.
Speaker 3: Following the murders, Coburger's behavior towards women did not change,
Speaker 3: but his grading style did about a.
Speaker 11: Month before winter break, when like the murders happened. Definitely
Speaker 11: around then he started grading everybody just a hundreds, not
Speaker 11: like like like you pretty much if you turned something
Speaker 11: in you were getting high marked, and he stopped leaving notes.
Speaker 11: It was just, you know, he seemed preoccupied.
Speaker 9: It was much easier.
Speaker 11: You'd turn in whatever you wanted pretty much, and he
Speaker 11: was just braiding them up and sending them back.
Speaker 3: Hayden Stenfield also said around the time of the murders,
Speaker 3: Coburger's appearance changed well.
Speaker 11: Around that time period. I remember him, you know, he
Speaker 11: had like a little bit more facial hair, just like stubble,
Speaker 11: but definitely less like well kept than he was. And
Speaker 11: he was a little quieter, you know, he didn't he
Speaker 11: used to stand up at the start of class and
Speaker 11: like talk about some stuff sometimes, and this time he
Speaker 11: didn't really do that at all.
Speaker 3: One of Coberger's fellow graduate students, speaking to the media
Speaker 3: also noticed a distinct change following the murders.
Speaker 7: I did notice that he was, you know, he was
Speaker 7: cowing up to class a little late sometimes. He always
Speaker 7: had a coffee in hand. He always seemed to be
Speaker 7: just perpetually exhausted. Like everybody in a graduate program, there's
Speaker 7: a little bit of awkwardness. You're trying to fit in.
Speaker 7: You're trying to find Denise and Brian cobol little fit
Speaker 7: in that he was awkward. He was trying to fit in.
Speaker 7: He was trying to get his inroad into this group
Speaker 7: and establish these social bonds with other members of the cohort.
Speaker 7: He did seem to get a little chattiol going into
Speaker 7: the Lattle pul to the.
Speaker 3: Tomb again, Stephanie and Jeff.
Speaker 9: Let's put us into perspective. Around this time, Coburger was
Speaker 9: under a lot of stress from WSU. His boss was
Speaker 9: not at him, and he was about to get fired.
Speaker 9: Not to mention, he must have known that the cops
Speaker 9: were circling in on him in some capacity. Could all
Speaker 9: that stress have been catching up to him.
Speaker 8: Let's just go through the list. He's changing his appearance.
Speaker 8: He's disinterested in work, he's preoccupied at school, he's behaving
Speaker 8: very overwhelmed. Clearly some thing's going on. Is he just
Speaker 8: overwhelmed because it's the end of the year and it's
Speaker 8: before the holidays and that's an intense time for many
Speaker 8: or is he behaving like somebody who's just committed mass murder.
Speaker 9: I agree with that, but I will also say that
Speaker 9: the fact he was being extra chatty is so strange
Speaker 9: to me.
Speaker 3: When Brian Colberger was arrested in Pennsylvania, investigators also searched
Speaker 3: his apartment in Pullman, Washington. Here's reporter Chris Bargo.
Speaker 4: His apartment is certainly very cleaned out. He did leave
Speaker 4: a few things like a TV. His storagelock grivid had
Speaker 4: ever been used. Was completely cleaned out. There's no shower
Speaker 4: curtain when police go their first search, and there's really
Speaker 4: very few things inside this apartment that make it seems
Speaker 4: like someone's living there. It almost seems like you just
Speaker 4: left beyond some trash. Maybe are the things he didn't want,
Speaker 4: but we're not sure. He also manages to clear it
Speaker 4: out before authorities get any sort of search warrant or
Speaker 4: any sort of identifying him as really as the suspect
Speaker 4: of the case, so when they finally get to search
Speaker 4: out apartment, he's cleared it out, so it's not The
Speaker 4: potential for evidence has probably been decreased drastically because he'd
Speaker 4: been gone more than two weeks actually by the time
Speaker 4: they searched it.
Speaker 3: Had Brian Coberger always lived such a bare bones existence,
Speaker 3: or was his Washington apartment empty because he had stripped
Speaker 3: it clean and removed anything that might have incriminated him.
Speaker 8: Stephanie and Jeff I remember being a student. You know
Speaker 8: you're kind of broke, So it does stand to reason
Speaker 8: that his place wouldn't be opulent and lavish.
Speaker 9: But no shower curtain, that is just odd. I'm thinking
Speaker 9: he could have used it in his the night of
Speaker 9: the murder to keep blood off the seats.
Speaker 8: Like the TV show Dexter, where he would use plastic
Speaker 8: to keep any incriminating evidence away.
Speaker 3: Three weeks after his arrest, the search warrant for Coberger's
Speaker 3: apartment was unsealed by a judge. It detailed what forensic
Speaker 3: teams had found.
Speaker 8: Investigators removed several items from inside that apartment.
Speaker 3: Among the items possibly connecting Coburger to his victims were
Speaker 3: a single black surgical type glove, the dust container from
Speaker 3: Coburger's Bissel power force vacuum, a computer tower, a collection
Speaker 3: of dark red spots, several strands of hair, including one
Speaker 3: investigator's believe is from an animal, multiple store receipts, including
Speaker 3: one from Walmart with the Dickey's tag, and two clippings
Speaker 3: from a pillow that contained a reddish brown stain. Shortly
Speaker 3: after Brian Coberger became the lone suspect in the brutal
Speaker 3: quadruple murders, he departed on a cross country trip back
Speaker 3: home to Pennsylvania with his father. The fall semester had
Speaker 3: just finished and Coburger was heading home for the holidays. However,
Speaker 3: after months of conflict with the faculty in the criminology
Speaker 3: department over his behavior as a teaching assistant, Coburger's academic
Speaker 3: career is in doubt. Just a few days after he
Speaker 3: departed campus, Coburger would receive a letter from the school
Speaker 3: saying that his job as a teaching assistant would be
Speaker 3: terminated and his return to WSU was very much in doubt.
Speaker 3: Here's reporter Chris Bargo, what do you make of the
Speaker 3: car ride home with his dad?
Speaker 4: So we know the dad drove him out, so I
Speaker 4: would assume that's probably always the plan. I don't understand
Speaker 4: why you drive home though, if you're coming back, because
Speaker 4: it seems like to have your car for four weeks
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania to drive all that way and then all
Speaker 4: the way back out, that's a pain in the ass.
Speaker 4: And that's a lot of miles on the car. That's
Speaker 4: not really a new car. So probably just keep it
Speaker 4: at the school. But we don't know. I mean, obviously
Speaker 4: the dad isn't talking. We don't know when he decided
Speaker 4: to do it. But again, that's something you could probably
Speaker 4: explain away at the trial because it's dad drove him
Speaker 4: out there, so this is sort of maybe dad just
Speaker 4: doing that again. But it's clear that dad, I think
Speaker 4: didn't know because when you get stopped that second time,
Speaker 4: he's talking about how there was like, you know, this
Speaker 4: this crime at this school. I'm like, you would never
Speaker 4: bring that up. If you knew, you would just sort
Speaker 4: of not even say the kid went to WSU. You
Speaker 4: just move along. You try to keep that to yourself.
Speaker 4: But the dad's like, oh, we're coming from WSU and
Speaker 4: there was this, you know, sort of big shooting there
Speaker 4: the other day, not the crime that his son allegedly committed,
Speaker 4: but there was another incident right around the holiday. So
Speaker 4: it's just sort of the dad just seem to be
Speaker 4: completely in the dark. And I mean, and they also
Speaker 4: got home very quickly. They made that trip, like I
Speaker 4: think they stopped one night maybe, and then they were
Speaker 4: on the road. I mean, because they leave the thirteenth
Speaker 4: and there Indiana on the fifteenth, I believe, which is
Speaker 4: a very very fast trip. And then I stall don't
Speaker 4: understand how I guess pulled over twice in ten minutes.
Speaker 6: Coberger was behind the wheel when he was stopped on
Speaker 6: I seventy outside of Indianapolis for following too closely.
Speaker 3: During the two thousand, five hundred mile trip, Coburger is
Speaker 3: pulled over twice in less than ten minutes in Indiana.
Speaker 3: The interactions with the local police were caught on bodycam video.
Speaker 11: Hello, how you knowing? How y'all doing today.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 10: Good, Take a look your driver's lines in real quick
Speaker 10: if I could.
Speaker 3: Despite media reports that the FBI was tracking Coburger on
Speaker 3: his drive home for the Christmas holiday, local police in
Speaker 3: Indiana say they did not know who Coburger was and
Speaker 3: that the stops were completely random and simply part of
Speaker 3: routine drug checks. Jeff and Stephanie.
Speaker 9: Both times Coburger was pulled over by the local police,
Speaker 9: he was let go with a warning for tail getting.
Speaker 9: The interactions were very nonchalant.
Speaker 8: On the one hand, yes, maybe it's a sign of
Speaker 8: his privilege, but it seems very unlikely that police would
Speaker 8: just happen to stop a suspect in a murder investigation
Speaker 8: twice within ten minutes.
Speaker 9: According to the Indiana State Police, which is where this happened,
Speaker 9: these stops were actually just routine interstate drug trafficking prevention.
Speaker 8: Can you imagine if he actually did it. He's getting
Speaker 8: stopped by police twice in ten minutes. He must have
Speaker 8: been losing his mind. Was he nervous?
Speaker 3: Was he calm?
Speaker 8: Did he assume he was about to get arrested, or
Speaker 8: perhaps even more disturbingly, did he assume he would get
Speaker 8: away with it? And that he was somehow untouchable.
Speaker 3: Let's stop here for another break. If Coburger believes he
Speaker 3: has eluded law enforcement, he isn't taken any chances once
Speaker 3: he returns to his parents' home in Albertsville. In the
Speaker 3: days before Coburger is arrested, police began around the clock surveillance.
Speaker 1: Law enforcement sources told CNN that the Hondaia Launchra that
Speaker 1: Coburger was driving was cleaned from top to bottom by
Speaker 1: the suspect while.
Speaker 3: He was under surveillance in Pennsylvania. At his parents' home,
Speaker 3: Coburger was seen meticulously cleaning his car, with one investigator
Speaker 3: saying that Coburger cleaned his car inside and out, not
Speaker 3: missing an inch. He was also observed taking other protective measures,
Speaker 3: including taking trash out in the middle of the night
Speaker 3: and putting garbage bags in his neighbor's trash cans. He
Speaker 3: was also seen wearing rubber gloves in public. Did Coburger
Speaker 3: think police were closing in on him?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the only thing that can sort
Speaker 4: of inform that is the fact that we know when
Speaker 4: he was arrested, he was sitting at his table, wearing
Speaker 4: late tech gloves and putting his trash in his bi
Speaker 4: block bags. So clearly he knew they were onto him,
Speaker 4: Like that's obvious, Like that he knew that, So that
Speaker 4: behavior would suggest that he was apprehensive.
Speaker 3: Despite his best efforts to cover up his tracks, investigators
Speaker 3: were covered Coburger's trash. They tested several items for DNA
Speaker 3: and were able to make a definitive DNA connection through
Speaker 3: his father. In the early morning hours of December thirtieth,
Speaker 3: police smashed the windows and doors of the two story
Speaker 3: Coburger home in the gated community of Indian Mountain Lake Estates.
Speaker 3: Despite the raid taking place at one thirty in the morning,
Speaker 3: the swat team found Brian Coburger wide awake and cleaning.
Speaker 6: Mister Coburger was found awake in the kitchen area, dressed
Speaker 6: in shorts and a shirt and wearing latex medical type
Speaker 6: gloves and apparently was taking his personal trash, putting it
Speaker 6: into a separate ziploc baggie.
Speaker 3: Among the items taken from the home were a flashlight,
Speaker 3: medical style gloves, a large black sweatshirt, two knives, a
Speaker 3: glock twenty two forty caliber handgun, three forty caliber magazine clips,
Speaker 3: two black face masks, and a bag of green leafy substance.
Speaker 3: Forensic teams also searched Coburger's twenty fifteen Balancha, taking swabs
Speaker 3: from the car. They also removed the seats, the brake,
Speaker 3: and the gas pedal, and found a shovel, boots, and
Speaker 3: a pair of goggles. Investigators have also reportedly collected fifty
Speaker 3: one ten pherabytes of electronic data as part of their
Speaker 3: investigation into Brian Coberger.
Speaker 10: He's left quite the fingerprint online and I think that's
Speaker 10: ultimately going to be the evidence that sinks SIMP.
Speaker 3: Much of the data is likely content and information from
Speaker 3: computer drives and social media accounts. While Coberger appears to
Speaker 3: have tried to destroy or clean up much of the
Speaker 3: physical evidence linking him to the murders, it isn't clear
Speaker 3: how much he tried to delete or clean up any
Speaker 3: of the electronic data that might incriminate him. Stephanie and Jeff.
Speaker 9: Of course, every suspect is innocent until proven guilty. But
Speaker 9: if Coburger was actually doing what the police say he
Speaker 9: was when he was arrested, it is not a good luck.
Speaker 9: You bet. The jury is going to hear all about
Speaker 9: the trash, separating, the intense car cleaning and wearing gloves
Speaker 9: in public. It's not how normal everyday people act, and
Speaker 9: the prosecution is going to remind the jury.
Speaker 8: Of that and too many It looks like Coburger was
Speaker 8: just trying to act like a criminal mastermind, methodically covering his.
Speaker 9: But as we know, getting away with murder is never
Speaker 9: that easy.
Speaker 3: More on that next time. For more information on the
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