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Speaker 1: Investigators believe Coburger killed Kaylei Gansalves, Madison Mogan, Zeyner, Kernodle,

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Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin inside of a rented home not far

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Speaker 1: from the University of Idaho campus. At the time of

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Speaker 1: the murders, Coburger was studying at Washington State University, which

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Speaker 1: is just a few miles away from the crime scene.

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Speaker 2: Outside Coberger's apartment in Pullman, Washington, detectives removing boxes and

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Speaker 2: bags from the apartment. They just kept coming out with

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Speaker 2: more and more stuff and loading it into evidence vans.

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Speaker 2: But in that list of what they brought out, they

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Speaker 2: do not list knife in that evidence list.

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Speaker 3: This is the Idaho Massacre, a production of KT Studios

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Speaker 3: and iHeartRadio, episode five The Days After Death. Courtney Armstrong

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Speaker 3: a television producer at KT Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, Jeff Shane,

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Speaker 3: and Connor Powell. When Brian Colberger moved to Pullman, Washington

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Speaker 3: in early July of twenty twenty two for his pH

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Speaker 3: d program, he arrived on campus with his dad driving

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Speaker 3: a twenty fifteen white Hondi Atlantra. Within months of arriving

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Speaker 3: on campus, Coburger was pulled over by Washington State University Police.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hi, am, officer langis stops being audio and video recorded.

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Speaker 3: You think you know why I stopped you. As the

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Speaker 3: officer approached the driver's side window, the twenty eight year

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Speaker 3: old criminology student respectfully greeted her. Colberger explained he was

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Speaker 3: originally from a rural area in Pennsylvania and was new

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Speaker 3: to the area. He said he accidentally got caught in

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Speaker 3: the intersection before turning left on a red light.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a little bit of confusion with speeding

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Speaker 4: because someone had stopped.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't sure what they were doing.

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Speaker 3: During the nine and a half minute interaction, Coburger politely

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Speaker 3: asked the female officer to explain Washington State's traffic laws,

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Speaker 3: before he apologized for asking too many questions. Do you

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Speaker 3: have your license on you?

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Speaker 6: You?

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Speaker 7: Do you have the registration and insurance?

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Speaker 5: I'm just going to this off route, Okay.

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Speaker 3: The traffic stop was unremarkable and Coburger was let off

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Speaker 3: with a warning, But during the brief exchange, which took

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Speaker 3: place one month before the murderers, the officer commented that

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Speaker 3: Brian Coberger's vehicle registration was set to expire in a

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Speaker 3: few months.

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Speaker 7: Let's see expires November twenty second, twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: For the next month Coburger's wife twenty fifteen, Atlantra remained

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Speaker 3: registered in his home state of Pennsylvania, But five days

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Speaker 3: after the gruesome murders, Coburger did something he hadn't done

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Speaker 3: for months. He changed his registration from Pennsylvania to Washington

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Speaker 3: and received new license plates. Was this simply a coincidence,

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Speaker 3: a last minute chore that needed to be completed but

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Speaker 3: had escaped Coburger's mind ring his first and very busy

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Speaker 3: fall semester. Or was this one of the many actions

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Speaker 3: Coburger took to try to cover his tracks after killing

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Speaker 3: the four University of Idaho students. Here's Stephanie and Jeff.

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Speaker 8: It was roughly seven weeks from the time Kaylee, Madison, Zana,

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Speaker 8: and Ethan were killed to the time Brian Coburger was arrested.

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Speaker 9: To me, the biggest question in this case is obviously

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Speaker 9: why did Coburger, if in fact he is guilty, commit

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Speaker 8: And maybe asking ourselves why is an impossible question. It's

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Speaker 8: kind of applying reason to an irrational situation. Whoever did

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Speaker 8: this is obviously a monster, and we're clearly not going

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Speaker 9: The other good question I have is what was Coburger

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Speaker 9: doing in the days and weeks leading up to the

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Speaker 8: And there are so many unanswered questions at this point,

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Speaker 8: but thanks to the Probable Cause AffA David, we do

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Speaker 8: know some of the movements and actions of Coburger.

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Speaker 3: Brian Coburger's cell phone is at the center of the

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Speaker 3: prosecution's case against the twenty eight year old in the

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Speaker 3: days and hours before and after the killings, Investigators say

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Speaker 3: Coburger's cell phone use paints a disturbing picture of a

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Speaker 3: killer stalking his victims and returning to the scene of

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Speaker 1: Investigators say they believe the murders took place between four

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Speaker 1: and four to twenty five am.

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Speaker 3: According to cell phone data, Coburger's phone was connected to

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Speaker 3: the cellular network near his apartment in Pulman, Washington, at

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Speaker 3: four forty two am on the morning of the murders.

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Speaker 3: Probable Cause Affidavid that this is quote consistent with Coburger

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Speaker 3: attempting to conceal his location during the quadruple homicide. Here's

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Speaker 4: At two forty two in the morning. Brian Coburger's cell

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Speaker 4: counts of people seeing his white hand lantro, so his

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Speaker 4: and then around three point thirty itt scene in Moscow. Now,

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Speaker 4: police belief from Pullman to Moscow, if it is indeed Brian,

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Speaker 4: that would suggest that it was targeted because that's a

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Speaker 3: At four forty eight am, Coberger's phone comes back online

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Speaker 3: and pings a tower just south of Moscow. But police

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Speaker 3: say Coburger did not head straight home. Instead, he drove

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Speaker 4: That area that he drove south to where he the

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Speaker 4: That area at the bottom is just mountains and it's forest.

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Speaker 3: He arrives home at five point thirty in the morning,

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Speaker 3: returning home. A few hours later, Coburger's phone is back

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Speaker 3: on the move. In a particularly chilling move, Coburger's phone

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Speaker 10: Ryan Coberger's saleshone allegedly shows him here at nine to

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Speaker 3: Surveillance video also shows a white Sedan driving past the

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Speaker 3: Stephanie and Jeff.

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Speaker 8: It's the oldest cliche in criminal history, the killer always

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Speaker 8: returns to the scene of the crime.

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Speaker 9: Well, actually, Steph, it's not true for most killers. Many

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Speaker 9: serial killers do actually return to the scene of the crime,

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Speaker 9: particularly ones who are compulsive or obsessed over their victims.

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Speaker 9: For example, Gary Ridgway, who was known as the Green

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Speaker 9: River Killer and convicted of forty nine murders, regularly returned

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Speaker 9: to the spots he dumped his victims' bodies. Also the

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Speaker 9: son of Sam killer David Berkowitz. He told the FBI

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Speaker 9: that on nights he couldn't find a victim, he would

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Speaker 9: just go back to the scene of previous kills and masturbate.

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Speaker 8: That's so sick, I mean, think about it. Returning to

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Speaker 8: on being kind of untouchable by law enforcement and basically

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Speaker 8: smarter than everybody else. Does that sound like coburger to you.

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Speaker 3: Here's Jeff speaking with Adam Wand.

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Speaker 9: I'm not a criminology student, but I've seen enough law

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Speaker 9: in order to know, like, your cell phone is how

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Speaker 9: people track you. And he's like dumb enough to bring

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Speaker 9: the phone or turn it on on the way home,

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Speaker 9: like he didn't even get all the way home. What

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Speaker 9: do you make of his lack of good decisions?

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Speaker 10: We have a wonderful idiom in English for his behavior,

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Speaker 10: and the idiom is a little bit of knowledge is deadly.

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Speaker 3: Adam Want is a digital forensics expert and a professor

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Speaker 3: at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. He spoke to

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Speaker 3: producer Jeff Shane about how a cell phone can be

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Speaker 3: used to establish Kolberger's actions and whereabouts in the immediate

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Speaker 10: I think in this specific case, the little bit of

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Speaker 10: knowledge he had really hurt him. That little bit of

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Speaker 10: knowledge was if I bring my cell phone to the

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Speaker 10: scene of the crime, I could be identified as being

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Speaker 10: there with my cell phone. And he was right. If

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Speaker 10: he brought his cell phone there while it was on,

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Speaker 10: we would have much quicker figured out who he was

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Speaker 10: did was smart to him. He turned off his phone beforehand,

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Speaker 10: he turned it back on afterwards, And if we never

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Speaker 10: identified him as a possible suspect, we may never have

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Speaker 10: his phone. But once we realize he's a potential suspect,

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Speaker 10: and once we see he turned his phone off right

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Speaker 10: after that period of time. That's what we call an

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Speaker 10: overt action that he took that the jury could look

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Speaker 10: at to determine guilt. So ultimately, what he did to

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Speaker 9: Because it looks suspicious that his phone turns off for

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Speaker 10: Some people might say it looks suspicious that his phone

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Speaker 10: It's not just suspicious. He took an action that was

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Speaker 10: recorded on his phone. His phone would have recorded him

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Speaker 10: fact that he turned it off and then where he was,

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Speaker 10: and the fact that he turned it back on again,

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Speaker 10: right back on shortly after the murders certainly shines a

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Speaker 9: He did not turn his phone off at all when

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Speaker 9: he drove back any of the other times that he

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Speaker 10: Let's face it, a stable, emotionally mature, sane person is

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Speaker 10: not going to go kill a houseful of people. In

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Speaker 10: this particular case, if the suspect is the murderer, then

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Speaker 10: he's probably not completely sane and stable, and things that

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Speaker 3: Did Coburger return to the house to try and gather

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Speaker 3: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in

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Speaker 3: a moment. After revisiting the crime scene and returning home,

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Speaker 3: Brian Coberger's day was far from over. According to the

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Speaker 3: probable Cause Affidavid Coburger's cellphone data shows he drove south

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Speaker 3: from Pullman, Washington to Lewiston, Idaho. The fifty minute drive

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Speaker 3: was just the beginning of a day of strange movements.

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Speaker 3: Following the murders, six pm, Coburger arrives at an Albertson's

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Speaker 3: grocery store in Lewiston.

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Speaker 4: Surveillance video at twelve forty nine pm shows Coburger walking

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Speaker 3: He leaves about fifteen minutes later. Here again, Jeff and Stephanie.

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Speaker 9: So why does Brian Coburger make the long drive and

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Speaker 9: go to Lewiston, Idaho for some groceries? Polman has stores

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Speaker 9: like Safeway and Walmart. In fact, SODA's nearby Moscow. It

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Speaker 8: And what does he need from the grocery store in

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Speaker 9: Coburger have been buying something like bleach or other cleaning

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Speaker 3: According to the police Affidavid, Coburger's phone pins a cell

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Speaker 8: Let's unpack that a bit, because this is a really

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Speaker 9: Our friends Deanna Thompson and John Green from our new

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Speaker 9: where he lived. It's also on the route investigator say

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Speaker 8: And remember, according to officials, he didn't take the shwe

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Speaker 9: Later that day, on Sunday, November thirteenth, at five point

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Speaker 9: Coburger is busy with his PhD and TA work. This

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Speaker 8: What was he doing and where was he going? Could

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Speaker 8: Following the murders people who interacted with Coburger so a

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Speaker 8: dramatic change in his personality. Before the killings, Coburger was

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Speaker 8: disliked by his students at Washington State University, who viewed

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Speaker 8: him as strange and remote. Here is Hayden Stinchfield, a

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Speaker 11: When he came into class, he was very, you know,

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Speaker 3: As a teaching assistant, Coburger was disliked by undergraduates because

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Speaker 3: One young woman said he creepily followed her to her car.

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Speaker 3: Following the murders, Coburger's behavior towards women did not change,

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Speaker 11: Month before winter break, when like the murders happened. Definitely

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Speaker 11: It was just, you know, he seemed preoccupied.

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Speaker 9: It was much easier.

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Speaker 11: You'd turn in whatever you wanted pretty much, and he

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Speaker 3: Hayden Stenfield also said around the time of the murders,

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Speaker 11: Around that time period. I remember him, you know, he

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Speaker 3: One of Coberger's fellow graduate students, speaking to the media

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Speaker 7: I did notice that he was, you know, he was

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Speaker 7: cowing up to class a little late sometimes. He always

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Speaker 7: just perpetually exhausted. Like everybody in a graduate program, there's

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Speaker 7: He did seem to get a little chattiol going into

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Speaker 3: Tomb again, Stephanie and Jeff.

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Speaker 9: Let's put us into perspective. Around this time, Coburger was

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Speaker 9: under a lot of stress from WSU. His boss was

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Speaker 9: Not to mention, he must have known that the cops

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Speaker 8: Let's just go through the list. He's changing his appearance.

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Speaker 8: He's disinterested in work, he's preoccupied at school, he's behaving

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Speaker 8: very overwhelmed. Clearly some thing's going on. Is he just

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Speaker 9: I agree with that, but I will also say that

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Speaker 3: When Brian Colberger was arrested in Pennsylvania, investigators also searched

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Speaker 4: His apartment is certainly very cleaned out. He did leave

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Speaker 4: potential for evidence has probably been decreased drastically because he'd

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Speaker 3: Had Brian Coberger always lived such a bare bones existence,

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Speaker 8: Stephanie and Jeff I remember being a student. You know

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Speaker 8: you're kind of broke, So it does stand to reason

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Speaker 9: But no shower curtain, that is just odd. I'm thinking

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Speaker 8: Like the TV show Dexter, where he would use plastic

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Speaker 3: Three weeks after his arrest, the search warrant for Coberger's

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Speaker 3: apartment was unsealed by a judge. It detailed what forensic

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Speaker 8: Investigators removed several items from inside that apartment.

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Speaker 3: Among the items possibly connecting Coburger to his victims were

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Speaker 3: Coburger's Bissel power force vacuum, a computer tower, a collection

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Speaker 3: investigator's believe is from an animal, multiple store receipts, including

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Speaker 3: after Brian Coberger became the lone suspect in the brutal

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Speaker 3: career is in doubt. Just a few days after he

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Speaker 3: Here's reporter Chris Bargo, what do you make of the

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Speaker 4: So we know the dad drove him out, so I

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Speaker 4: he's talking about how there was like, you know, this

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Speaker 4: But the dad's like, oh, we're coming from WSU and

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Speaker 6: Coberger was behind the wheel when he was stopped on

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Speaker 3: During the two thousand, five hundred mile trip, Coburger is

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Speaker 11: Hello, how you knowing? How y'all doing today.

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Speaker 10: Good, Take a look your driver's lines in real quick

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Speaker 3: Despite media reports that the FBI was tracking Coburger on

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Speaker 3: that the stops were completely random and simply part of

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Speaker 9: Both times Coburger was pulled over by the local police,

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Speaker 9: The interactions were very nonchalant.

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Speaker 8: On the one hand, yes, maybe it's a sign of

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Speaker 9: According to the Indiana State Police, which is where this happened,

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Speaker 8: Can you imagine if he actually did it. He's getting

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Speaker 3: Was he calm?

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Speaker 8: Did he assume he was about to get arrested, or

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Speaker 3: Let's stop here for another break. If Coburger believes he

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Speaker 3: he returns to his parents' home in Albertsville. In the

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Speaker 3: days before Coburger is arrested, police began around the clock surveillance.

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Speaker 1: Law enforcement sources told CNN that the Hondaia Launchra that

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Speaker 1: Coburger was driving was cleaned from top to bottom by

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Speaker 1: the suspect while.

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Speaker 3: He was under surveillance in Pennsylvania. At his parents' home,

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Speaker 3: Coburger was seen meticulously cleaning his car, with one investigator

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Speaker 3: saying that Coburger cleaned his car inside and out, not

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Speaker 3: missing an inch. He was also observed taking other protective measures,

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Speaker 3: including taking trash out in the middle of the night

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Speaker 3: and putting garbage bags in his neighbor's trash cans. He

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Speaker 3: was also seen wearing rubber gloves in public. Did Coburger

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the only thing that can sort

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Speaker 4: of inform that is the fact that we know when

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Speaker 4: he was arrested, he was sitting at his table, wearing

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Speaker 4: late tech gloves and putting his trash in his bi

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Speaker 4: block bags. So clearly he knew they were onto him,

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Speaker 4: Like that's obvious, Like that he knew that, So that

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Speaker 4: behavior would suggest that he was apprehensive.

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Speaker 3: Despite his best efforts to cover up his tracks, investigators

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Speaker 3: were covered Coburger's trash. They tested several items for DNA

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Speaker 3: and were able to make a definitive DNA connection through

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Speaker 3: his father. In the early morning hours of December thirtieth,

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Speaker 3: police smashed the windows and doors of the two story

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Speaker 3: Coburger home in the gated community of Indian Mountain Lake Estates.

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Speaker 3: Despite the raid taking place at one thirty in the morning,

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Speaker 3: the swat team found Brian Coburger wide awake and cleaning.

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Speaker 6: Mister Coburger was found awake in the kitchen area, dressed

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Speaker 6: gloves and apparently was taking his personal trash, putting it

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Speaker 3: Among the items taken from the home were a flashlight,

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Speaker 3: glock twenty two forty caliber handgun, three forty caliber magazine clips,

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Speaker 3: two black face masks, and a bag of green leafy substance.

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Speaker 3: Forensic teams also searched Coburger's twenty fifteen Balancha, taking swabs

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Speaker 3: from the car. They also removed the seats, the brake,

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Speaker 3: and the gas pedal, and found a shovel, boots, and

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Speaker 3: a pair of goggles. Investigators have also reportedly collected fifty

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Speaker 3: one ten pherabytes of electronic data as part of their

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Speaker 3: investigation into Brian Coberger.

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Speaker 10: He's left quite the fingerprint online and I think that's

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Speaker 10: ultimately going to be the evidence that sinks SIMP.

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Speaker 3: Much of the data is likely content and information from

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Speaker 3: computer drives and social media accounts. While Coberger appears to

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Speaker 3: have tried to destroy or clean up much of the

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Speaker 3: physical evidence linking him to the murders, it isn't clear

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Speaker 3: how much he tried to delete or clean up any

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Speaker 3: of the electronic data that might incriminate him. Stephanie and Jeff.

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Speaker 9: Of course, every suspect is innocent until proven guilty. But

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Speaker 9: if Coburger was actually doing what the police say he

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Speaker 9: was when he was arrested, it is not a good luck.

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Speaker 9: You bet. The jury is going to hear all about

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Speaker 9: the trash, separating, the intense car cleaning and wearing gloves

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Speaker 9: in public. It's not how normal everyday people act, and

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Speaker 9: the prosecution is going to remind the jury.

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Speaker 8: Of that and too many It looks like Coburger was

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Speaker 8: just trying to act like a criminal mastermind, methodically covering his.

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Speaker 9: But as we know, getting away with murder is never

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Speaker 9: that easy.

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