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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, September twenty ninth. We

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Speaker 2: made it through Monday, everybody, and we are so happy

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Speaker 2: that you're here. I'm Stephanieleidecker, and the band is back together.

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Speaker 2: Body move in, and Courtney Armstrong is back with a

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Speaker 2: bit of a ruckous voice. She was at her high

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Speaker 2: school reunion and lives to tell the tale. Courtney say

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Speaker 2: a quick hello, Yes, hello, My voice might be a

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Speaker 2: little horse. It was very well worth it, and I'm

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Speaker 2: so thrilled to me party animal idiot.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, just hearing you makes me hurt.

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Speaker 2: No, honestly, I'm fine. It was just yelling over the music.

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Speaker 2: So wow. It makes me want to rage when I

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Speaker 2: hear Courtney's voice like that. That is a sign of

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Speaker 2: a great weekend, right, You're seeing friends, you're being loud,

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Speaker 2: you're hugging too much, and you have a smile at

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Speaker 2: ear to ear, So it must have been a great one.

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Speaker 2: We're so happy you're back because listen, we have a

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Speaker 2: stacked night of headlines LAPD. It's officially broken at silence

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Speaker 2: in the Celestreva's case, still no arrest. Pop star David

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Speaker 2: not a suspect, so let's be very clear about that. Also,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's accused assassin, had a hearing today,

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Speaker 2: not in person, it was only audio, but will unpack that. Also,

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Speaker 2: some more names, high profile ones have been released with

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Speaker 2: ties to sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: And one celebrity has made a really bold move after

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Speaker 2: learning the project that she was working on had ties

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Speaker 2: to Sarah ferguson which we were covering last week. And

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Speaker 2: later in the show, we're also going to to do

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Speaker 2: a deep dive finally on all of our phones, our

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Speaker 2: internet awareness, our safety online. Everybody grab your phones because

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Speaker 2: again later in the show, we're going to be telling

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Speaker 2: you with our great expert who actually will give us

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Speaker 2: the real play by play while we have our phones

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Speaker 2: in our hands of what to delete, what to kit Hoff,

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Speaker 2: So Katie Greer will be with us, and we also

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Speaker 2: finally have Lauren Gellert she's on the show. As the

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Speaker 2: head of original Programming at WeTV, Lauren launched the hit

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Speaker 2: series Love After Lockup, which basically chronicles people who are

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Speaker 2: falling in love after they've been incarcerated or at least

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Speaker 2: one of them has been incarcerated. Also the spinoff Life

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Speaker 2: After lock Up, and she served as the series executive

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Speaker 2: producer for multiple seasons, making the show a number one

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Speaker 2: hit on the network. We'll be discussing some of the

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Speaker 2: troubles people face, you know, especially couples that have at

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Speaker 2: least one of them has been incarcerated. Is there really

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Speaker 2: Love after lock Up? We're going to find out out

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Speaker 2: right from the source. So here we go, Boddy. I

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Speaker 2: know we're going to go to the.

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Speaker 3: First story with you, but first let's go to a

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Speaker 3: talk back. Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: So, did David have like a concert with a coffin

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Speaker 4: on the stage after her death? And then did you

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Speaker 4: guys see where another underage girl has come forward saying

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Speaker 4: that he was really weird and strange and she's got receipts.

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Speaker 4: I mean, she's got the screenshots to prove it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I you know the coffin thing. Listen, it's

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Speaker 3: kind of like Ozzy, right, you know Ozzy had like

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, when you're a performer, you're playing a character, right,

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Speaker 3: So I think that a lot of the things that

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Speaker 3: you know, David's performance has. You know, it's just a

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Speaker 3: like you know, the video of him if for a

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Speaker 5: see how this investigation, yes plays out, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, because that's two part right.

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Speaker 2: and that's tough, especially when the lyrics in one of

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Speaker 2: Why has there been no suspect named?

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Speaker 3: And you know as far as the other girl that

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Speaker 3: be authenticated. I can create it. I can change Courtney's

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Speaker 3: name in my phone to David and say all these

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Speaker 3: because like again David, it's very sus by the way, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So this happened about four hours ago, so it's pretty

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Speaker 3: Police Departments Robbery Pomicide Division has been diligently investigating the

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Speaker 3: death of Celeste Revus Hernandez over the past several weeks.

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Speaker 3: At this time, we can confirm that Celeste Revs Hernandez

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Speaker 3: trunk area of a tesla belonging to David Burke. The

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Speaker 3: yet determined the cause or manner of Miss Revs Hernandez's death.

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Speaker 3: As such, it remains unclear whether there is any criminal

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Speaker 3: spitfalling that this car had been parked there since mid

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Speaker 3: to late July. I feel like that's what we're gonna

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything from David the pop star himself. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: this is a lot of you know, this is bad publicity.

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Speaker 2: He was on tour, his tour has now since been canceled.

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Speaker 2: You know, we always thought, well, he had an alibi.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he wasn't in the mix, he wasn't even in

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles perhaps, but this changes that timeline significantly, which.

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Speaker 3: Well for and it could be really bad. Two stuff

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Speaker 3: we are correct, and that car had been sitting there

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Speaker 3: some of these cloud services for security footage and what

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to find reasons that we haven't really

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Speaker 3: the absence of information is information.

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Speaker 2: It's so true. And by the way, if you're just

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Speaker 2: eight three one crime. We're talking about the new developments

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Speaker 2: in the Celeste Revis case. There still has been no arrest,

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Speaker 2: no person of interest allegedly, I have to assume the

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Speaker 2: tesla that the body was found in, by the way,

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Speaker 2: fifteen years old. If you're just joining us that the

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Speaker 2: tesla has all of these high ticket cameras and ways

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Speaker 3: To be sure, and I assume it's two things.

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Speaker 2: One is it maybe this person who has this tesla

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Speaker 2: that this body was found in. It's very different charges

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Speaker 2: car seems like that's something that we also should be

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Speaker 2: a little closer on the answer for, even if that's

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Speaker 3: We had a load we haven't heard about the dismemberment, Okay,

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Speaker 3: so the press reported that, So I don't know if

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Speaker 3: just don't know. The dismemberment just is for me, it's

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Speaker 2: Her body was just in a state that's therefore it Yeah,

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Speaker 2: right now, absolutely, I absolutely agree.

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Speaker 5: And one of the thing I did want to just

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Speaker 5: underline is Captain Scott Williams, he is the LAPD captain.

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Speaker 2: Who's leading this investigation.

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Speaker 5: The medical examiner really does seem to hold a lot

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Speaker 5: they don't know. It could be foul play, it could

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Speaker 5: be a drug overdose, it could be anything else. So

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Speaker 5: they're really leaving everything open right now because it is

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Speaker 5: nothing has been determined to our knowledge, right.

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Speaker 3: And again if and again I think it's you know,

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Speaker 3: the fact that we haven't heard anything from the LAPD

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Speaker 8: Have any of you guys heard the rumors going around

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Speaker 10: The person who is assassinated in the Snake Eyes movie,

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Speaker 3: It's an eerie It is interesting. It is interesting, like

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Speaker 10: It's just these these Internet people are amazing. They just

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Speaker 2: Off the top of their head, I just have Snake

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Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson, he's the man accused of shooting Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 3: Like the bullet flew over people's heads, right, Like, isn't

434
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Speaker 3: that putting like a bunch of people in danger?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the grace of God, so the people didn't

436
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Speaker 2: lose their lives.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, we're going to be following up on this obviously.

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Speaker 3: The next hearing, like I said, is October third, that

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Speaker 3: will no more than this is true crime Tonight on iHeartRadio,

440
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Speaker 3: I'm body Movin and I'm here with Courtney Armstrong, Party

441
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Speaker 3: Pants and Stephanie Laideker and we have been talking about

442
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Speaker 3: the murder or the assassination really of Charlie Kirk and

443
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Speaker 3: Tyler robertsonn't appear to cour today, but we're gonna go

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Speaker 3: to a talkback. Let's hear it.

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Speaker 11: This is Elon again. I'm curious what we are supposed

446
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Speaker 11: to do around all this in cell top or talk

447
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Speaker 11: about young men acquiring guns and doing mass violence. Is

448
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 11: it a matter of parents being more aware of their

449
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Speaker 11: children online? What are we to do to improve?

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Speaker 3: What a great question you on how the answer? I

451
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: wish I knew, you know what I mean. I think

452
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Speaker 3: talking about it is important. I think that's you know,

453
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Speaker 3: getting everybody kind of educated, including us, right like exactly

454
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Speaker 3: we're learning this real time, right. I think talking about

455
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: it and being open is going to be important. I

456
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Speaker 3: don't have kids, you know, I wasn't blessed with that,

457
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Speaker 3: but I can't imagine how scary it is for moms

458
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Speaker 3: and dads of young men who are living life right

459
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Speaker 3: now and how to handle this kind of thing. What

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Speaker 3: do you guys think?

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Speaker 2: You guys, we're so down this rabbit hole on our

462
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Speaker 2: podcast in Cells because the idea of a like a

463
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: lone wolf, right, that's what we're seeing a lot of

464
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Speaker 2: right now, are these radicalized young men who are who

465
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: are taken aim and it's hard, you know, And Courtney,

466
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Speaker 2: you'll recognize the voice of Courtney Armstrong on the podcast

467
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: in Cells. Just can't talk right now. But and body

468
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: does such a great job on it as well. But

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Speaker 2: you know, really for law enforcement, and we're talking about

470
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Speaker 2: this in the next hour as well. If you're looking

471
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Speaker 2: at safety online or in the dark web, but you're

472
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Speaker 2: looking for patterns for groups, some of these smaller groups,

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Speaker 2: like you know, if in fact Tyler Robinson, the accused,

474
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Speaker 2: if he's done this, ugh, I mean, like this is

475
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Speaker 2: somebody who's in a small chat who's essentially confessing and

476
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Speaker 2: like you know, chit chatting about it on discord. And

477
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Speaker 2: again that's a small group. So how does law enforcement

478
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Speaker 2: on the web. I say that in air quotes monitor

479
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Speaker 2: for these individual pop ups because that's what we're seeing

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Speaker 2: a lot of right now. Are these young men that

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Speaker 2: you are suffering? And is that constitutional to be monitoring it?

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Speaker 2: And like how do you find this Tyler Robinson guy?

483
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Speaker 2: If you know they're gonna suddenly have a mission in

484
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: their mind and go off and and and do such

485
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: a thing, it's really a tough time. So yeah, I

486
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Speaker 2: would say in cells is a really deep unpack of this.

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Speaker 2: And if you haven't had a chance to check it

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Speaker 2: out on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: We hope that you do, and we'd love your feedback

490
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, it's you know, it's scary, and I,

491
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Speaker 3: like I said, I do think talking about it as

492
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Speaker 3: we are exactly people are, you know, shedding light on it.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like the disinfectant I think in a

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Speaker 3: low ways, you know, exactly, and not only not only

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Speaker 3: to obviously to prevent violence, for sure, but you know,

496
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Speaker 3: not every in cell is a dangerous person, right. I

497
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Speaker 3: think that's really important too. And we're not we're not

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Speaker 3: even implying that Tyler Robinson was an in cell, like

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Speaker 3: by any stretch of the imagination, you know, we're not

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Speaker 3: implying that. We do know he was a gamer and

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Speaker 3: he had discord and things like that. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: as an insult. Well, we're just talking about it in

503
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: general terms. But I do think shedding light on things

504
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Speaker 3: is sort of a disinfectant for these kinds of things,

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Speaker 3: and maybe you know, get them some help too, because

506
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: they're lonely and sad right there, I guess son lonely

507
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Speaker 3: and we don't want young, our young men of this

508
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Speaker 3: country to feel this way.

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Speaker 2: And it's again, it's not all men, but it is

510
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Speaker 2: a call to attention for us to better understand, even

511
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Speaker 2: whether you're a parent or not, sort of what could

512
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: be possible and how quickly it's all changing so fast,

513
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: you know, these are crimes that are being plotted and planned,

514
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Speaker 2: perhaps under our noses, and you know, in your basement,

515
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Speaker 2: and you don't even know how to check for it,

516
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Speaker 2: which is pretty extraordinary. And don't forget like the ripple

517
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Speaker 2: effect of people's families, whether it's the actual you know,

518
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Speaker 2: assassin if in fact, Tyler Robinson is the person, like

519
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: for his family, like, what a tough spot to have

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Speaker 2: to turn your kid in call authorities like that is,

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00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: you know, just an ordinary day, can you imagine? And

522
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: then for the victims, you know, and of course for

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's beautiful family. I mean, this one's it's a

524
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Speaker 2: tough one. It's a tough one and we're all sort

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Speaker 2: of getting through it.

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Speaker 5: I do have to say, just the shedding light body,

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Speaker 5: as you mentioned, I've spoken to several people just in

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Speaker 5: my life who've listened to episode one and or episode

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Speaker 5: one and two of In Cells, and these are bright

530
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Speaker 5: people and they didn't know what is going on. So

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Speaker 5: it is important for even if we're not talking about

532
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 5: the highest level of violence, right, you know, the vast

533
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Speaker 5: majority of people who are suffering being an in cell,

534
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Speaker 5: you know, to be able to spot it in our lives.

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Speaker 3: And they're self admittedly suffering. This isn't me painting a

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00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: picture of this sad, lonely guy. They're self admittedly suffering, which.

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Speaker 2: Is like a rabbit hole that's hard to get out of.

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Speaker 2: The fact that he Tyler Robinson didn't appear in court,

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Speaker 2: why did he choose What do you think he chose

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Speaker 2: not to appear in person?

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Speaker 3: Was that for safety reasons? I don't believe so. I

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Speaker 3: think that's common when it's not like an official, you know,

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Speaker 3: preliminary hearing. Because the first appearance he also appeared virtually

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Speaker 3: as well. I just think that's probably something that it's

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00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: easier to keep him there than rather than transported to

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Speaker 3: the courthouse. But he will be in person at the

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Speaker 3: next hearing October thirtieth. Yeah, I just I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's It might be a safety thing, but I know,

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Speaker 3: you know, here where I live, they appear virtually as well.

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Speaker 3: I think it's just logistically easier.

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Speaker 2: And no more arrests have been made, So anybody else

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Speaker 2: in his circle in his world, like what happened to

553
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Speaker 2: the roommate, Like there's that's all sort of gone away.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything. I haven't heard anything.

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Speaker 3: I mean I've heard a lot on the internet about

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Speaker 3: people making stuff up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why we can't report so many things. Right,

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Speaker 2: It's not like we don't care about the story. It's

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Speaker 2: just that we're just we don't want to repeat misinformation.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes there's so much information it's it's all just noise,

561
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Speaker 3: right until you hear it from official sources and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: It's just kind of like hogwash. If I don't want

563
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Speaker 3: to say the wrong thing. I mean, these are important cases, right,

564
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Speaker 3: these are shaping you know, policy, and these are we

565
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Speaker 3: don't want to be you know, we don't want to

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Speaker 3: be wrong and say the wrong things. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how to say it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's important.

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Speaker 3: So we're trying to just kind of stick to the facts,

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Speaker 3: and you know, hopefully that's hopefully the facts are acceptable.

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Speaker 3: Are we going to get just in this day in time?

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Speaker 2: Sessica Kathleen coming back on Thursday for some more meditation

573
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: and therapy. By the way, I really enjoyed that and

574
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: I've actually applied a few of those tips in my

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Speaker 2: daily life. And we're so excited to have Lauren Gellert

576
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Speaker 2: here as the head of original Programming at WeTV. Lauren

577
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Speaker 2: launched the hit series Love After lock Up, which basically

578
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Speaker 2: chronicles people who are falling in love after they've been incarcerated,

579
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Speaker 2: or at least one of them has been incarcerated. Also

580
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Speaker 2: the spin off Life After lock Up, and she served

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Speaker 2: as the series executive producer for multiple seasons, making the

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Speaker 2: show a number one hit on the network. So imagine

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Speaker 2: you're you're arrested or you're behind bars, and you're falling

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Speaker 2: in love.

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Speaker 3: How dare you? Why would I be arrested.

586
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: Committing a terrible crime of small, big crimes? But we

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Speaker 2: see this all the time, and we've talked about it

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Speaker 2: so much. It's Courtney's favorite word is hybrista phililia, hybristophelia.

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Speaker 2: Did I say it correctly? You did? Hybristophelia perfect? And

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Speaker 2: that is what is that, Courtney. It's actually is a

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Speaker 2: designated mental thing that people have where you are obsessed

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Speaker 2: with people who are behind bars and you are compelled

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Speaker 2: to be in a relationship with someone. Yeah, which is interesting.

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Speaker 2: We see this with the Menendez brothers. You know, they

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Speaker 2: have not only one, but multiple relationships. One of their

596
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: wives even went to law school to be the advocates

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Speaker 2: all the Brian criers, super fans, which is bananas that

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Speaker 2: are crazy, Briebriyes, air quotes, how about Luigi Mangion. Its

599
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: a lot about us, I'm like, I mean, the list

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Speaker 2: goes on.

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Speaker 3: Bridgar Ramira's members had all those women in Charles Manson

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Speaker 3: with all the mean Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we did a deep dive on this at one

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Speaker 2: point and then I've thoughts, Lauren, we're going to welcome

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Speaker 2: you to the show, and you say hello, but I promise.

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Speaker 2: But the takeaway was it's a very interesting, a little confusing.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people want to be with somebody behind bars, maybe

608
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Speaker 2: because it's safe or it's very dangerous.

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Speaker 3: We want to give the notoriety too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, so Lauren.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Lauren.

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Speaker 2: I think there was a smoke machine or like a

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Speaker 2: I don't know. There's some strobe lights. They should be

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Speaker 2: here right now with you tell us everything.

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Speaker 12: Thank you. I'll I'll take the virtual strobe light. So

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Speaker 12: you know what the show. The show came about in the.

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Speaker 6: Early days Love after lock Up, it was really about

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Speaker 6: true relationships, I mean, people looking for connection, and we

620
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Speaker 6: found a lot of people who were most comfortable when

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Speaker 6: their relationship was with a real distance.

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Speaker 12: And then we found that some of.

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Speaker 6: The people in these relationships, it was kind of a

624
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Speaker 6: bit of a who was conning who, because you know,

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Speaker 6: the thing they maybe start where inmates reach out to

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Speaker 6: people on websites, and that's how we discovered the idea

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Speaker 6: for this show.

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Speaker 12: It was through website data and inmates dot Com. I

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Speaker 12: believe it was called.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, datinginmates dot Com was a website where if

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Speaker 2: you want this is obviously it's the name of it,

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Speaker 2: but if you wanted to dat an inmate, you would

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Speaker 2: go online and register.

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Speaker 12: Yes, yes, and people would and inmates actually.

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Speaker 6: In many that we spoke to, were looking for not

636
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 6: even necessarily relationships when they would start out, but they.

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Speaker 12: Were looking for connection, human connection.

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Speaker 6: There's ten piles some of these some of these relationships

639
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Speaker 6: started out as pen paling, right, and and there are

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Speaker 6: lots of people who kind of volunteer to write to

641
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Speaker 6: prisoners and talk to prisoners and you know, give them

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Speaker 6: some kind of human connection they're living behind bars. So

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Speaker 6: that is how it all kind of started. But then

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Speaker 6: when you dig into each of the relationships, all very different,

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Speaker 6: and some of them you find you know, who is

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Speaker 6: the con is it? You know, the person on the

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Speaker 6: inside who is lending letters and promising love and sending pictures,

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Speaker 6: and then their commentary starts filling up, and then they

649
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 6: you know, I'm in love. I'm in love, and the

650
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 6: first time on the outside is like excellent because I'm

651
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 6: planning this whole life for us. And then the show

652
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 6: was that release moment was the greatest ever, right, the

653
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 6: first of everything, the first time they come out and

654
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 6: see each other in person, tell of them had seen

655
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 6: each other in person, and you know.

656
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: Just physically they've never like touched before.

657
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: But they would be waiting by the gate too.

658
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen this show, you must. I've got

659
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: to see you listen. This is the sounds creative. This

660
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: is the person. Also, Bridezilla's right here. I might have

661
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: a fun aside, but like, yeah, the person, the person

662
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: picking up the prisoner is waiting outside, and you know,

663
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: what is that connection going to be? Like It's like, yes,

664
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: you know them, but you're not physically you don't really

665
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: know them. Do in some cases I'm sure are they're

666
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: going to live with these people?

667
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 12: Them?

668
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean them really legitimately moved in with the

669
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 6: person who they had been connecting with and writing with

670
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 6: and some of those relationships with one person behind bars

671
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 6: were going for years before this happened.

672
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 12: Stop and I promised you. And it was wild.

673
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 6: And when they got out and some of the connections

674
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 6: were unbelievable, you actually got choked up.

675
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 12: They're like, oh my god, they're together, they're having their

676
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 12: first kiss. No, and they've been talking for a year plus. Wow.

677
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: And some of them not so much because think about it,

678
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: you're behind bars. Maybe you know you're going to get released.

679
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: Maybe you want to make sure you're working the system

680
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: that you have somewhere to land, right, and you're getting

681
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 2: all these letters.

682
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: And money put it on to offer you support. Yeah,

683
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: it's keeping you maybe not bored even in jail, right,

684
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 3: Like you're kind of bored maybe, And oh, do any

685
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 3: of them have many pen pals? I'm gonna use pen pals.

686
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 12: Yes, many of them have many pen pals.

687
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 6: But we had one scenario I remember kind of early

688
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 6: on in maybe the second season, where the inmate had

689
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 6: been really in a relationship with this woman on the

690
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 6: outside and she had, you know, spent a lot of

691
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 6: money for him and put a lot of money on

692
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 6: his promissary and he paid for phone calls and payd

693
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 6: for all those different things, and she came down for

694
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 6: his release only to learn.

695
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 9: He had a girlfriend and.

696
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 12: A daughter with that girlfriend, and she had no idea

697
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 12: and this was like a whole.

698
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 6: Lot dynamic going on, a crazy con going on, and

699
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 6: he kept he led her on, and she believed he

700
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 6: still wanted to be with him her and they're going

701
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 6: to break it off.

702
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 12: And this went on multiple seasons.

703
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: Not to mention it's slightly dangerous, right, So you're confessing

704
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: your love and things feel very safe because obviously there

705
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: are bars between you. You're in jail or prison, whatever

706
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: the thing is. But now you're out and you have

707
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: to get resocialized into the world. And now you're you know,

708
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: jumping into a relationship. That's that's a whole other set

709
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: of circumstances.

710
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 12: It is. It's challenging. A lot of people had trouble

711
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 12: with that.

712
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 6: They were, you know, running into a relationship heads first.

713
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 6: I mean some of them even got married. Oh then yeah.

714
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 6: We had a spin off called Life After lock Up

715
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 6: because we wanted.

716
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 12: To continue with the ones who kept going.

717
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 3: Oh this is around, I can go down.

718
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: Relationship children.

719
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 12: There were children born on Love After Life After lock up.

720
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 12: How was what was the question? Sorry?

721
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: Like is it was their love after lock up?

722
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 9: Right?

723
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: Like? There were some success stories. I know I saw

724
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: several myself, So it's kind of inspiring that you know,

725
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: somebody maybe behind bars and have a life.

726
00:37:59,680 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 7: Wow.

727
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 6: On there were beautiful stories. There was stories of hope.

728
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 6: There were stories of second chances. There were stories of redemption.

729
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 6: There was ups and downs, you know, redemption, failure, redemption again.

730
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: It is such an invigorating show. Like you said, the

731
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 5: ups and downs of life are all in there. I

732
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: did want to clean one thing up Stephanie earlier or

733
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 5: you asked about hybristophilia. I couldn't reach for the word paraphilia,

734
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 5: which is an atypical sexual interest. It's intense, it's persistent,

735
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 5: and it totally differs from quote normal.

736
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 8: That's it.

737
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 5: It's not called it's not called hypristophelia. I know what

738
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 5: it's characterized as in the in medical terms is a paraphilia,

739
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 5: So it is. It's hybristophilia, and that is sexual arousal.

740
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 5: It's attraction to a criminal or a fender. It can

741
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 5: be a fascination with a partner's bad boy image or

742
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 5: a design to save the offender.

743
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: I just like it. When Courtney says the word hybristophelia,

744
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 2: I agree to say it one more time. It sounds

745
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: very smart. Go ahead, one more time, hybristophilia. Oh listen,

746
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: this is true crime tonight, Courtney. I'm here with Stephanie

747
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: Leideker Body Movement, and we are so so lucky to

748
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: have Lauren Geller with us, executive producer of Love After

749
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: lock Up. If you have any questions, give us a

750
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: call eighty eight three one Crime. We'd love to hear

751
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: from you. That's great. One of the things we had

752
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: interviewed somebody at Courtney. I think it was with you

753
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 2: that we were interviewing an expert in this category who

754
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: was really kind of breaking down what would attract somebody

755
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: to a prisoner or somebody who was serving time. Meaning

756
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: it's not like you were in a relationship prior to

757
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: the arrest. This is total strangers that are like randomly

758
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: writing letters to prisoners with the intent of finding true love.

759
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: And you're like, what is that about?

760
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: Right, by the way, it is mostly women, ladies.

761
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: This is us and they. It kind of fell into

762
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: two categories. It seemed like some of it was maybe

763
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of past trauma that was sort

764
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: of being worked through, or maybe Dad had also been incarcerated,

765
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: so maybe working through some of that. But past that,

766
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: we didn't really know too much, Courtney, Am I missing

767
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: anything on that?

768
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 5: No, that's about it. It can present from many different

769
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 5: forms of whatever year past is, but a lot of

770
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 5: it is either savior you want to be the one

771
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 5: and Okay, Lauren, I want to hear because you're nodding

772
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 5: your head. Was there anything that comes to mind or

773
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 5: did you see was that a thread of some of

774
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: these folks who were like I just I want to

775
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 5: say them I want to make their life better?

776
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 6: Yes, I actually remember a story I was trying to

777
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 6: think of where the version was from. They were definitely

778
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 6: across the country from one another, and the woman on

779
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 6: the outside had been working very, very hard to get

780
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 6: her boyfriend out of but it wasn't her. It was

781
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 6: her boyfriend by way of their letter writing, and now

782
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 6: he was her boyfriend, but this was not her boyfriend

783
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 6: that she had had a relationship with physically or had

784
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 6: ever lived in the same town as. But she felt,

785
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 6: you know, he deserved justice. She was working for him.

786
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 6: She was writing letters for him, she was using making

787
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 6: lawyers work for him, she was doing it all And

788
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 6: I do remember this relationship actually happening. I can't remember

789
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 6: which season it was, it was earlier.

790
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 12: Days, but it was.

791
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 6: It was really interesting and he wasn't, you know, necessarily

792
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 6: on trial or being proven innocent. But she kind of

793
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 6: maintained he shouldn't have been have been in there for

794
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 6: everything that he was accused of.

795
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: Interesting meaning she believed he was guilty and still wanted

796
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: to be with him. How interesting? And is that because

797
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: I wonder.

798
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 12: Not guilty of all of the crimes.

799
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: I think it was understood, but some yeah, a little guilty,

800
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: but yeah I can change them. That's the bad boy

801
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: thing maybe right. But it's also kind of manipulative on

802
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: both ways. Like you could see how behind bars you

803
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: need to embrace somebody on the outside because yeah, you

804
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: want them to visit maybe and you want to have

805
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: human interaction, and I see where that can be kind

806
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: of maybe manipulative. But on the other side of that,

807
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: if you're the person who's basically filling up the commissary

808
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: and kind of pulling the strings. Also, you get to

809
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: go home at night and you're leaving this person behind

810
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: bars and you want to air quote save them. Is

811
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: that also a little manipulative in its own way? I

812
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: can kind of see it on both sides.

813
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: I'm only interested in the messiness of all this. I

814
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: of course I love that people run, you know, often

815
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 3: to the sunset. But I want to hear about some

816
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: of the messy ones. And I mean, that's what I'm

817
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: here for. Do you remember any particular You don't have

818
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 3: to give any names, but you did.

819
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 6: It get missy, of course, of course, And unfortunately some

820
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 6: of it got sad too, because it was messy. There

821
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 6: was messy where you know, may had been strong, the

822
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 6: the the verse on the outside had been strung along

823
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 6: for a long time. I remember a particular female inmate

824
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 6: who had strung along a guy on the outside for

825
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 6: a long time, and he was setting spending lots of money,

826
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 6: and yeah, she was really working in and she was

827
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 6: set up in her house and everything else. But in

828
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 6: the end, you know, she it took I think it

829
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 6: was too maybe two point five seasons before she broke

830
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 6: it off with him.

831
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 12: So we had one a lot out of it.

832
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 6: And and that was messy. It was messy.

833
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: It was Gypsy Rose, Gypsy Rose. You know again that

834
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily that was an on this show. But you know,

835
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose kind of in a prolific way, got out

836
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: of prison, fell right in love and well that was

837
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: a big record scratch.

838
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 9: And he.

839
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: Didn't where she was in prison, right.

840
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: And then she got and again no judgment on Gypsy.

841
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: Then she got with the second guy who also found

842
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: her in prison. She was only in prison for seven

843
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: years and she had a lot of relationships.

844
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 12: Peter's about fascinated and they.

845
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 6: Dive deep into those, you know, and I will say this,

846
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 6: they just can't know each other in a very different

847
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 6: way I do with It's a lot of love letters,

848
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 6: a lot of like heartfelt deep communication because when you're

849
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 6: sitting in a prison cell and you start really connecting

850
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 6: with someone or thinking about you wait for that letter

851
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 6: and then you wore your heart out and write it back.

852
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 6: I mean, we heard a lot of incredible letters that's

853
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 6: really were connection.

854
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: And it's undivided attention, Like you don't have to worry

855
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: about your guy being out and about and he's at

856
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: the club and he's at the job, and he's doing

857
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: this and he's doing that. No, he is in one

858
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: place and you know, exactly where to find him again.

859
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: That's crazy, as I say it out loud. But Lauren,

860
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: quickly before we go. First of all, I'm so happy

861
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: you've been here and we're going to have you back

862
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: all the time. Let's talk about Taste and Talk has

863
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: been creating this, this swell of you know, conversations that

864
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: are happening over a glass of wine in major cities.

865
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: So at the core of it, Lauren Keller, no surprise, Oh.

866
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 6: What are we doing at Case and Talk? So I

867
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Speaker 6: started a women's purpose base salon. It's given a get.

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Speaker 6: The women who come pay money to come, not a

869
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Speaker 6: lot of money, about forty dollars, and they are given

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Speaker 6: a wine tasting, a speaker about whatever's going on in

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Speaker 6: the hot topics of midlife women these days. You've got

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Speaker 6: health to managing wealth, entrepreneurship and sex and relationships.

873
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Speaker 12: And then they are giving back.

874
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Speaker 6: All the money goes to charity, local charites and communities.

875
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Speaker 2: Let's post it on our website too, so info, Lauren Geller,

876
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: thank you, love you much more of this to come.

877
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: Welcome back and again in a second hour, thank you

878
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: for being with us, keep with us. This is true

879
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Speaker 2: crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time. Welcome

880
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

881
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Body. Move in and listen. If you've missed

883
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Speaker 2: any part of the show, you can always catch us

884
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Speaker 2: later this evening as a podcast.

885
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: How fun was Lauren Gallart having her here? I want

886
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Speaker 3: to hear.

887
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: More and more and more. She's done a lot of

888
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Speaker 2: true crime shows, so just in general, you know, we're

889
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: we're hoping you come back, Lauren, So thanks for being

890
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: with us, and listen. We have more coming up too.

891
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna all get ourselves safe. We're going to figure

892
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: out you know, embodies the expert at this and honestly,

893
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: so she's bringing in the big dogs. We're gonna have

894
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: some real life tips about how to keep ourselves safe

895
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: on the internet and in our apps and you know,

896
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: just the basics, even in our phone.

897
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 3: Started the basics, don't you please?

898
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: Yes, I need the basics for sure, So I'll just

899
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: raise my hand to assume people know so much.

900
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: So I'm so glad that she's joining us, you know

901
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: what I mean, I'm so excited for her.

902
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: I really am. I said to body last night, Hey,

903
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: how do I remove this from that? And what button

904
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: do I push in my phone on my Insta or

905
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: my Da da da, And she was.

906
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: Like, it's so easy. You just have to like look

907
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 3: it up. It's two seconds.

908
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: By the way, it would never have happened if there

909
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: were a million dollars on the line, if I was

910
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: like on a show where they would have given me

911
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: a huge cash prize. I just sort that out. But wait,

912
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: and I put on his time into it too. It

913
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: wasn't even that. I just stopped trying instantly. So some

914
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: of the basics. I was like, I think you think

915
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: I'm way smarter than I am. I don't know anything

916
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: when it comes to this. Now, I just don't post

917
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I'm too scared. Put my phone in

918
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: a box and in a closet and turn it off

919
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: and nobody will ever find us. So I know that's

920
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: not the answer. But there's something in between, and we're

921
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: going to get to the bottom of it. And then

922
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: Epstein again, this story continues. Oh that scene we're gonna

923
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: unpack because so now there have been some new names

924
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: being associated with the sex trafficker and like listen. Does

925
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: that did they release the thing or does that mean nothing?

926
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: There's no list now, no list, no list, And it

927
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: really does speak to are you if you're associated to it,

928
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: if you just knew him? Is that the same? I

929
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: don't know, But we're going to unpack that. But first

930
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: we're going to go to O talkback.

931
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 10: Since there's no credible information leaking Jeffrey Epstein to sex trafficking,

932
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 10: then why would so many people come forward and accuse him?

933
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

934
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, I got another one for you guys, if you

935
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 10: want it.

936
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, get it up.

937
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 13: This is my opinion on Epstein. I would really love

938
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Speaker 13: to know more about the island. I would love to

939
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Speaker 13: get or listen to an interview from a celebrity that's

940
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Speaker 13: visited the island about what they did there, the people

941
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Speaker 13: they saw, the things that were happening.

942
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Speaker 2: By the way, I love that talk back, and I

943
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 2: love the kids. Is that kids in the background? Of course? Yeah?

944
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: Are you like she's like calling from the pantry. It's

945
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: a fair question.

946
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like okay, First of all, right, the first talk back.

947
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: If there's if there's no list, there's no trafficking, why

948
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: did he get what happened there?

949
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: Right?

950
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Speaker 3: We totally agree. Second, talkback celebrity, like to hear from

951
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: somebody that went to the island. Yeah, but who's going

952
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: to do that? Who's going to come forward and be

953
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: like I was there?

954
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Speaker 11: You know what I mean?

955
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Speaker 3: I can't imagine anybody is going to put the reputation

956
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 3: on the line, even if they were like, hey, listen,

957
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: I was invited, I went on vacation. I said at

958
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: the beach, I had some martinis. That's it. Who's going

959
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 3: to believe that person?

960
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: Right?

961
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 3: Like, I don't think anybody's ever going to come forward.

962
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: You get death by association, right, had So Bryant, the

963
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: director of the documentary Filthy Rich, and we did you

964
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: know s We were just talking about this in the

965
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: break and you know she described the island because she

966
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: attempted to go there, and we've heard, you know, some

967
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: of the workers from the island give their account. Yeah, exactly.

968
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: And look, it was a fantasy island. It was this

969
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Speaker 2: beautiful place in the you know what is it Virgin

970
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: Islands and it's still US territory.

971
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Speaker 3: But he owned this island, didn't Lisa like get on

972
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: a boat and like approach the island and like there

973
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 3: are people with machine guns and whatnot.

974
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, so and think about it. You had

975
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: to take a helicopter to get there. So if you're

976
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Speaker 2: one of the many, many victims who has come forward,

977
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Speaker 2: you know, let's call it forty in total, that are

978
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Speaker 2: really scrapped, you know, shouting from the rooftops to say,

979
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: please listen, please listen. You know, the playbook seems to

980
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: be that they would get a passport, get told that

981
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: they're going to go to this luxury island on this

982
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 2: little said VAK with powerful and influential people. Okay, that tracks.

983
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: Now you get on this helicopter, you're a young girl,

984
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: and you're flown there by some accounts by Giley Maxwell herself,

985
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: apparently she was a a helicopterilet. Wow. And then you

986
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 2: get to this island or passports are removed, but yet

987
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: it's paradise, right, so the lap of luxury and chefs.

988
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever seen the movie Blink twice? I

989
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: know I've said this now tis yea. Yeah, it's a

990
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: Zoe Kravitz movie. She has never come out and said

991
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: this is what it's based on, but clearly there's some crossover,

992
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: and she has said in interviews Zoe Kravitz directed it.

993
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: She's that beautiful actress that we've seen in so many

994
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 2: great things, Big Little Lies being one of them. Top

995
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 2: of head. Anyway, it's it's about an island, and she

996
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: has said an interview that it's sort of a mixmash

997
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: of stories that she's heard in the mix in her

998
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: exciting Hollywood life and it's worth seeing. So that's one

999
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: island tail. It has to probably have a little nods

1000
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: to this story as well. But essentially, you get to

1001
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: this island and then you can't leave right until you're

1002
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: given permission to leave, and allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, there are

1003
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: cameras everywhere, So it's two part. Either it's just this

1004
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: lovely island owned by a financier who has a billion

1005
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: dollars for reasons, how does he even have this island?

1006
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: Who paid for the island? How does he have all

1007
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: this money? How does he have all this money? The

1008
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 2: island itself, it said, it reportedly is about little under

1009
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 2: eight million dollars, and you know the people that were coming,

1010
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: I thought that was low also considering his net worth.

1011
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, looking at it right now, pull it up,

1012
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: roll no, I believe you.

1013
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 7: I just know, yeah, same, that's not as you can buy.

1014
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: An island for eight million, okay.

1015
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: Rights dollar, Like, I'm so grateful that you come to

1016
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 2: work every day. So listen. Jeffrey Epsteen acquired his private island,

1017
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: Little Saint James and the US Virgin Islands in nineteen

1018
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: ninety eight for about eight million dollars. While he claimed

1019
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: to be a billionaire and a successful financier, the true

1020
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: sources of his wealth have remained murky and controversial. And listen,

1021
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: that is accurate. So ultimately, he was, you know, dealing

1022
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: with clients that had or he had about a billion

1023
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: dollars in net worth, and there really have been very

1024
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: few public clients. So of course, the implication here is

1025
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: that there's honey potting involved in that world leaders and

1026
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: influential people are being lured there and you know, put

1027
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: on videotape in there for blackmails for yes, or compromised

1028
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: in the in this in the spy movie in our heads.

1029
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 3: So that's what I believe more than what a well,

1030
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: there's a little update.

1031
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, actually it's not a little update. I'm going

1032
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: to take that back. It's a big little update. Your

1033
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: voice sounds so good, Courtney you're curious, I have been

1034
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: hugging smooth licorice tea. Oh I do it for you,

1035
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 2: throat coat. So, newly released congressional records from Jeffrey Epstein

1036
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: in the State they've come out, and they reveal he

1037
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 2: maintained ties with several hot, high profile figures including Elon Musk,

1038
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: Bill Gates, Steve Bannon, Peter Thiel. And this bore out

1039
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 2: even after his two thousand and seven sex offender plea deal.

1040
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: So that's intensifying some scrutiny of what their connections were

1041
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: amid the ongoing investigations. It's very important to note the

1042
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: records show they maintained ties. There is no specific allegation

1043
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 2: beyond that, so I just want to clarify. But those

1044
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: are the names.

1045
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: So it's just saying that they knew each other.

1046
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: Is that that they continued contact after he was a

1047
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: known and convicted sex offender, which it brings a question

1048
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: or two up? Sure? I mean, so is that the line?

1049
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: So we all know how I feel about this story,

1050
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like crazy for victims and all things, and

1051
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: I think there's some I think there's something there. Yeah,

1052
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: I fear there's something I should say. Yeah, However, let's

1053
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: just play that out for a second. If you know

1054
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: somebody who's then convicted of a crime that has nothing

1055
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: to do with you, even if it is a sexual

1056
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 2: assault of sorts, do you cut ties all together? I'd

1057
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 2: like to say, of course yes, But is that enough

1058
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: of a death by association? Meaning these names being listed,

1059
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: I mean, the names they are listening to, the names

1060
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: are being listed. These people are mega rich. These people

1061
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: are mega rich. So they're I mean, if you're if

1062
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: you have that much money, you're motivated by money mostly,

1063
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, they're mega rich. So

1064
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: is there is there some sort of blackmail kind of

1065
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: going on or set up going on or or you know,

1066
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: or maybe even something secret and it doesn't have to

1067
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: be something nefarious or you know, something that they were,

1068
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, involved involved in this trafficking at all, just

1069
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: you know, maybe there's corporate secrets you know that they.

1070
00:55:59,160 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: Don't want to out.

1071
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all a question mark right now of what

1072
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 5: the specific ties are between those people. Listen, we're talking

1073
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 5: about Jeffrey Ebstein and what has just come out with

1074
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 5: newly released congressional records. We'd love to hear from you

1075
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 5: eighty eight three to one crime. So this all came

1076
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 5: out and it was just six pages of Ebstein estate records.

1077
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: However, the overside panel received over eighty five hundred documents

1078
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: from Epstein's estate. This includes flight logs, phone messages, and

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Speaker 2: financial ledgers spanning nineteen ninety to twenty nineteen. So Stephanie,

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Speaker 2: to your earlier question of where's all this money coming from?

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Speaker 2: I think the financial ledgers. Yeah, where is the money

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Speaker 2: coming from? I mean that's always the answer at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, is what is the trail If

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Speaker 2: we're talking about sex trafficking, that is the largest financial

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Speaker 2: business in the world, is it really Yeah, the money

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00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: that goes in and out internationally speaking for sex traffic

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Speaker 2: is staggering, and it's a real high profile scenario. You know,

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 2: we're talking about online you know, hacking and making sure

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Speaker 2: you keep yourself safe. Sex traffickers at a very high,

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Speaker 2: prestigious level. That is what they do. They scan the

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Speaker 2: internet all day, all night looking for young girls that

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Speaker 2: are wayward, are missing dad because her father just passed away, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or they're on you know Instagram saying oh I wish

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Speaker 2: my mom and dad weren't splitting up, you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: sad face that is they are. It is like high

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Speaker 2: high level internet interface. We know Jeffrey Epstein has, you know,

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Speaker 2: was allegedly with Gelane Maxwell going to high schools and

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Speaker 2: basically targeting places where young girls you know, would be

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Speaker 2: found and lured for a couple hundred bucks, right to

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Speaker 2: get a massage or to go to a fancy island.

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Speaker 2: You know, think about it if you don't really know

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Speaker 2: what you're getting into. When your brain is working in

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Speaker 2: that way, you meet this woman named Gelaine Maxwell who

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00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: seems glamorous and smart and she's pilot, and she's like, yeah,

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00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: come to this you know, wonderful vacation and lay by

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Speaker 2: the pool all day. That might sound like an inviting

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Speaker 2: invitation to a young person who doesn't have somebody at

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Speaker 2: home expecting them back at six o'clock at night. Right,

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Speaker 2: So they're almost targeting young girls who maybe don't have

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Speaker 2: enough oversight at that time, or are you know, out

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00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: on a limb and aren't necessarily checking in with mom

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Speaker 2: and dad the whole time, Which is why it's important

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Speaker 2: that we talk about it, because you don't know how

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Speaker 2: to escape those you know, pitfalls if you don't really

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00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: know that's out there, because you know, the Gullible are

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Speaker 2: the first to go.

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Speaker 3: Dary.

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Speaker 2: One more interesting thing that came out is Natalie Dormer,

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Speaker 2: who we know from the Tutor's Game of Thrones Hunger Games,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, she's an actress and she is now refusing

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Speaker 2: to promote The Lady, which is a project that she

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Speaker 2: worked on base and it has to do with Sarah Ferguson.

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Speaker 2: So The Ladies an upcoming ITV and britt Box drama

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00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: and Natalie Dormer portrays Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, and

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Speaker 2: the series goes over Ferguson's life and has the controversial

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Speaker 2: period surrounding some leaked emails showing her communication with Jeffrey Ebstein,

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Speaker 2: which last week wow right, No, she sounded like she

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Speaker 2: was working both sides on the one and she was

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Speaker 2: like he's a bad guy. And then to the bad guy,

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Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, sorry, I had to say that,

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Speaker 2: but I was just making face and please don't sue me,

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Speaker 2: and I promise it's going to be fine. But again,

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Speaker 2: like was he back in her into a corner? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And Natalie Dormer she donated her entire salary from the

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Speaker 2: project to the National National Association for People Abused in

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Speaker 2: Childhood and the Center of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: her entire SOLIDI.

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Speaker 3: Is her money where her mouth.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 5: And this is part of a statement that she released.

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01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 5: She said, when I agreed to take the role in

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01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 5: the Lady playing of course Sarah Ferguson, I knew portraying

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01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 5: her would require nuance.

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Speaker 2: People are layered.

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Speaker 5: Since completing the project, new information has come to light

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Speaker 5: that makes it impossible for me to reconcile my values

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Speaker 5: with Sarah Ferguson's behavior, which I believe is inexcusable. For

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Speaker 5: that reason, I will not be taking part in the

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Speaker 5: promotion of the project.

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Speaker 2: Wow, and learn about this unbelievable that's very rare too

1151
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: for somebody to really put their money where their mouth

1152
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: is and hats off, you know. And again, Yeah, I

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01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: mean this is I've said this so many times, but

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Speaker 2: I think this is the largest story of our time,

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01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: and it's really not on the news anymore.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's because all this other crazy news keeps happening.

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: It's almost like look over here. I mean we've been saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, on the internet. I've been look over here.

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Speaker 2: Look over here.

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Speaker 3: I really feel sometimes like some of this is just

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Speaker 3: like way too much. And look at those names.

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Speaker 2: Look at those names, even if it's just by association,

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01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: Like that is the most powerful grouping of names I

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01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: know in the world, right, the biggest thinkers. So is

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Speaker 2: it death by association that they knew a sex trafficker.

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Speaker 3: Or or yeah? Well, coming up, we're going to be

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Speaker 3: joined by Katie Greer. She's an Internet safety expert who

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Speaker 3: has some helpful tips you won't want to miss. Keep

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Speaker 3: it right here a True Crime Tonight. We're talking true

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01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 3: crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm staff here with Courtney

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01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: and Body and listen, it is getting later in the night.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that we've been talking a

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01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: lot about has been safety, our personal safety and also

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Speaker 2: for our family and friends on the internet generally speaking. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Body is the expert in all of this, and she's

1178
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: really opened our eyes to some of these key things

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01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: that we should all be aware of, whether big picture

1180
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: and even in small, small little ways. And it can

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01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 2: sometimes seem a little overwhelming. And now that we know

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Speaker 2: for a fact, that the genie is out of the

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01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: bottle and we do, in fact need to protect ourselves,

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Speaker 2: not just as women, not just as whether you're a

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Speaker 2: mother or a father, but just as a community. Like

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01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: there are some there's some big ticket items that are

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Speaker 2: just in our phones, that are settings that we don't

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Speaker 2: even know how to tone turn off, Like if the

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Speaker 2: phone comes that way, right, you have to go actively

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Speaker 2: out of your way to undo it. So we have

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Speaker 2: brought in the big dogs. Katie Greer is here and

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Speaker 2: she's the leading Internet safety expert and CEO of k

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Speaker 2: el Greer Consulting and Listen. For nearly two decades, Katie

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Speaker 2: has helped schools and families and companies and communities navigate

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Speaker 2: through all of these risks listen, privacy. Those days are over,

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Speaker 2: and I think now we have to take the reins back.

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Speaker 2: So Katie, welcome to the show. We're so happy to

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Speaker 2: have you here. Where do we begin?

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Speaker 9: I can don't I don't even know. I just all

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01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 9: day every day, and I don't even know where we

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01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 9: should begin.

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Speaker 3: I know, well, why don't we begin? Why don't we

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Speaker 3: begin with? What is your quick origin story? What pulled

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Speaker 3: you into this work? Nearly twenty years ago.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I wish I had kind of just find I

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01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 9: guess kind of a good story. I started off my

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Speaker 9: career at the Attorney General's Office in Boston and they

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Speaker 9: had an Internet crimes unit there and I was twenty

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Speaker 9: one twenty two at the time, and I was like,

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Speaker 9: what do you guys do there? I didn't know there

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Speaker 9: were crimes online, this being you know, twenty years ago,

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Speaker 9: and it was kind of a right place, right time

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01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 9: moment where they thought, you know, we could pick your

1214
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Speaker 9: brain probably and you could learn a little bit from us.

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Speaker 9: So wow, that's how I got started and all that,

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Speaker 9: and yeah, it was it was interesting, and I thought

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Speaker 9: prevention was really important, right, not just dealing with the

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Speaker 9: stuff after the fact, but how do we get ahead

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Speaker 9: of these things so we can protect ourselves?

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Speaker 3: So what kind of what does what does Ko Greer

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Speaker 3: Consulting serve today? Like, what do you typically do?

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Speaker 9: Sure, I'm in schools a ton, working with K through

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Speaker 9: twelve college students. I work with students a lot, I

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Speaker 9: work with parents a lot, government, private, a lot of

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Speaker 9: corporate conversations as well, So kind of runs the gamut

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Speaker 9: through the US and worldwide. Really just prevention conversations.

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Speaker 3: Especially to the children, right, like keeping them safe in things.

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Speaker 3: And you know, kids are just they're so I mean

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Speaker 3: honestly clearly, they're so innocent they don't really think of

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Speaker 3: all the dangers they could be in, right, So shouts

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Speaker 3: off to you for doing that. What is the number

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Speaker 3: one mistake that you see people make online? Right now?

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Speaker 9: That is such a loaded question.

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Speaker 12: I'm I'm sorry.

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Speaker 9: I think something that is alarming to me is how

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Speaker 9: quick we are to just jump on things in general,

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Speaker 9: whether it's a link, whether it's a quick emergency or

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Speaker 9: bank account it's just emptied, or a dating app or

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01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 9: a social media like. I just think the quickness of

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Speaker 9: it all is you know, I talk often about this

1241
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 9: double edged sort of technology, and yes, it's amazing that

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Speaker 9: this stuff is so quick and we can get information

1243
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 9: so fast that it can also be really dangerous, right

1244
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 9: because it takes away that human component that we have

1245
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 9: to actually think things through. So I think we're starting

1246
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Speaker 9: to get in trouble or continuing to get in trouble

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Speaker 9: when we're doing things really quickly, right.

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Speaker 3: And you're right, because we live in such a like

1249
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: instant gratification world, right, yes, we really do. Like, if

1250
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 3: I want a fast food I can just press a

1251
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 3: couple buttons on my phone and it gets delivered, you

1252
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 3: know it is? Yeah, Yeah, Like if I get a

1253
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 3: text message from a good friend, she's like, look at this,

1254
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 3: I'm going to click on it because it's instant serotonin, right,

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Speaker 3: And you say.

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Speaker 2: The clicking on so meaning if we're on a website

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01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: or if we're getting a text. I've been getting this

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01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: a lot lately, like a Rando texts from Nowhere's land,

1259
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,439
Speaker 2: Hey how are you? And it's a bait. Don't answer it, right,

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Speaker 2: I've been taught this, but you know, not clicking on

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Speaker 2: links that are being emailed or texted to you. Is

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Speaker 2: that accurate if you don't know the sender.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely sure. And like I said, you know this this

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Speaker 9: is falls into so many different ways that we could

1265
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Speaker 9: look at this, right. You know, we're again we're so

1266
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Speaker 9: quick to react and we're so quick to panic. Also,

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Speaker 9: your bank account has been emptied or I have to

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01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 9: send you something right away, like make sure you click

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Speaker 9: on this link or whatever it may be. That we're

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Speaker 9: kind of a nee jerk reaction just to click away

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01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 9: without looking first. And that's something that's getting a lot

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Speaker 9: of us into trouble in many different aspects of our lives.

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Speaker 2: Like I got one too that oh you have an

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Speaker 2: unpaid toll like parking tickets? Right, so I was like

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Speaker 2: unpaid target. You know that sounds so scary? Eight hundred

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01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: dollars what I barely drive? And then and then and then,

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Speaker 2: and like sometimes you get so panicked that you don't

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01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: want to Oh my goodness, it's yeah, the do date

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Speaker 2: is now, I have to pay immediately, and hey, guess

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Speaker 2: what I've just been scammed, right, that's I guess the

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Speaker 2: real book right now?

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Speaker 9: Scary exactly. And with AI, I mean I don't want

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Speaker 9: to addohole. We could talk for ten more hours about

1284
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 9: this thing. Ai. These scams are getting more and more sophisticated, right,

1285
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 9: so it's harder for us, even people in cybersecurity to

1286
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 9: know when these are real or problematic, because they're getting

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Speaker 9: better and better.

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, I have a question for you. And if

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Speaker 2: anyone out there would like to ask a question to

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Speaker 2: Katie Greer, who knows everything about in safety, give us

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Speaker 2: a call eighty eight three one crime.

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Speaker 5: She is a wealth of knowledge. When you mentioned talking

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Speaker 5: to spending a lot of time with kids, what's sure

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Speaker 5: do they think that there are dangers online? Or do

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Speaker 5: they think I'm impervious to them?

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Speaker 2: Is there a general feeling there is?

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Speaker 9: And you know, I don't blame it on any generational issue.

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Speaker 9: I blame it on the fact that kids' brains aren't

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Speaker 9: fully developed until are twenty five or twenty six. So

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Speaker 9: no wonder, I mean if we no wonder they're making

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Speaker 9: mistakes or are they're impervious to it because their brains

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Speaker 9: truly biologically scientifically aren't developed enough to think of these

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Speaker 9: complex things. Look, we're grown adults with arguably fully developed

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Speaker 9: frontal lobes, and we still make mistakes much less kids.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's I mean, my hand is raised, I mean

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent. And is that there's something in our phones?

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Speaker 2: Like for I've been scared straight because of what we

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Speaker 2: do for a living, like no posting anymore, Like I'm

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Speaker 2: not into it, and I don't know there's this metadata

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Speaker 2: not into that either. I don't know. I don't like

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Speaker 2: any of it. And now I'm reading reports that there

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Speaker 2: are like Life three sixty, the app where you can

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Speaker 2: know where everybody is, that that data is being you know, sold.

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Speaker 2: How is there something in our phone that's like a

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Speaker 2: very basic make sure this is turned off under my settings.

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Speaker 2: Like I have my phone in my hand right now,

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Speaker 2: if I go into.

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Speaker 3: My settings, yeah, like if I guess, I guess. We

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Speaker 3: can boil it down to this if listeners only do

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Speaker 3: two things like right now, like we're kind of an

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Speaker 3: actionable show, right, if there's two things our listeners could

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Speaker 3: do in us, Like, let's be frank, what would it be?

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Speaker 9: Sure? Okay, I have two thoughts. One is in your

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Speaker 9: settings you can disable app tracking, and that is under

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Speaker 9: privacy and security. Of course, it's different for different phone

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Speaker 9: sure sure and Apple devices privacy insecurity and Android devices

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Speaker 9: it's in privacy on Apple devices under tracking. You want

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Speaker 9: to toggle allow apps to across the track. You want

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Speaker 9: to tuggle that off.

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Speaker 2: All my toggles are on, so it's all my toggles

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Speaker 2: are green.

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Speaker 9: Oh no, So here's the problem, right, because all of

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Speaker 9: our devices and most apps, by the way, come with

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Speaker 9: this stuff enabled and you have to disable it, which

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Speaker 9: is so annoying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so lame it right?

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Speaker 9: Can't we disable and then choose to enable us we

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Speaker 9: want to. Don't get me.

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Speaker 2: We're not even opting in anymore, just by virtue of

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Speaker 2: purchasing this phone or even televisions or the pods that

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Speaker 2: are listening to us successively. Whatever. That is what people

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Speaker 2: don't realize, and myself included, is that you have to

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Speaker 2: undo things when you get hooked up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so now what's going to happen Steph is

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Speaker 3: you're going to get maybe your weather widget, right, your

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Speaker 3: weather is going to be like, I don't even know

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Speaker 3: where you are anymore because you opted out of me

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Speaker 3: tracking you.

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Speaker 2: I just I just goggled.

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Speaker 3: I just did that, right, So you know, when you

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Speaker 3: get those those pop ups, that's like you need to

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Speaker 3: get permission to this app to track your location. Now

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Speaker 3: you're basically undoing what you just did.

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness.

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Speaker 9: By the way, we're so quick to just be like okay, okay, okay, sure,

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Speaker 9: And that's another one of those rapid fire things that

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Speaker 9: you don't really think about. But I definitely urge you know,

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Speaker 9: listeners to take the time when you download these apps

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Speaker 9: to when it says do you want us to track

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Speaker 9: your location? Can it have access to your contact? The

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Speaker 9: answer is absolutely not unless that app needs a GPS

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Speaker 9: to function. So, for instance, I have my location services

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Speaker 9: on for two for two things, right, uh ways, which

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Speaker 9: I use to literally get directions places, so I have

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Speaker 9: to have that turned on for the function. But like

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Speaker 9: you said, I don't need, you know, Amazon to have

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Speaker 9: my location on I because I can put my address

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Speaker 9: in there. I don't need, uh, you know, all these

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Speaker 9: other apps to have my location on in order for

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Speaker 9: them to function.

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Speaker 2: You don't need another great one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Instagram, Chat, TikTok, Facebook, you know, all the social

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Speaker 3: media sites.

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Speaker 2: Get rid of them.

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Speaker 3: You guys, don't. When you're uploading a photo. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: need to know where you're at exactly.

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Speaker 2: And do I need to say yes to the cookies

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Speaker 2: every time I go to order something online? What is

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Speaker 2: that about? This is like a Sophie story that we

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Speaker 2: have every single time, but that I can't get to

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Speaker 2: the website to order the jeens.

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Speaker 9: But take a little bit longer, you can. It just

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Speaker 9: might take a little bit longer. It just won't remember

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Speaker 9: what you put in there. So it is a little

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Speaker 9: bit more work, but it's totally worth it, because you know,

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Speaker 9: we're a generation of people that didn't ever think of privacy.

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Speaker 9: We thought about, we thought about we didn't really think

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Speaker 9: quite frankly, because this was all thrown in our laps,

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Speaker 9: but we thought about availability and accessibility over privacy, and

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Speaker 9: we really got to flip that switch.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I just have to like reiterate this underscore because

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Speaker 2: it happened to me all the time. And I know

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Speaker 2: I sound ridiculous, but the cookies, So I always say

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Speaker 2: I say no, and then it's like it takes me.

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Speaker 2: I can't get I can't get on the site, right,

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Speaker 2: So you say no and then it's like limited cookies.

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Speaker 2: So I just keep saying no until to what end

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Speaker 2: is it eventually move on?

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Speaker 9: It should be a browser thing. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I'm trying to think if I've ever been prevented from

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Speaker 9: doing something because of disabling cookies. Cookies just basically means

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Speaker 9: it will kind of enhance privacy by reducing personalized ads

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Speaker 9: and tracking. So next time that you go to the site,

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Speaker 9: it won't remember that you're a size whatever gene or

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Speaker 9: that you happen to like the flare bottoms as the

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01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 9: post of the straight legs.

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Speaker 12: So okay, maybe it's a little.

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Speaker 9: Bit less customized, but it protects our data way more.

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Speaker 2: And you should or should not keep your credit cards. Again,

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Speaker 2: I do this all the time, right, so do you

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Speaker 2: keep your credit cards saved online so you could buy

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Speaker 2: the Flare jeans not the Flare of the straight leg

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Speaker 2: without my cookie? And then it goes like automatic payment.

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Speaker 2: Is it bad to keep that online? Or it's fine?

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Speaker 9: So I don't. But but again, we are so accustomed

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Speaker 9: to this accessibility into how quick it is to just

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Speaker 9: punch okay or purchase because our credit card is already

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Speaker 9: already in there. But the more, if you think about it,

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Speaker 9: the more places our credit cards are, the more access

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Speaker 9: these companies have to our data, and the higher chance

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Speaker 9: of us getting hacked. Quite frankly, right.

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Speaker 2: Ain't that the truth? And then you start getting these

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01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 2: random robo calls of people trying to hit you up

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 2: for stuff and you're like unknown number. You know, so

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Speaker 2: that all tracks?

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Speaker 3: And speaking of it's twenty twenty five, right, what are

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Speaker 3: some of the new ways these apps are leaking our data?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so one of the things we just covered actually

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Speaker 9: is a really interesting part of this, and that when

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Speaker 9: we shut that off, when we shut off the ad

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Speaker 9: tracking and I'm sorry, the app tracking, that is a

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01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 9: really good way to prevent from getting our information. But again,

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Speaker 9: they really get us a lot with the careless permissions right, right.

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Speaker 9: So for instance, you download a flashlight app and it's like,

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Speaker 9: can this flashlight app have access to your context and

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Speaker 9: your microphone? And yep, yep, yep, yep, and here we

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Speaker 9: are a flashlight does not need access to that. But

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Speaker 9: that's a really great way that they grab our data

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 9: because we're so quick to just hit okay so we

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01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 9: can use it quickly, right, and then.

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Speaker 3: You're hitting agreed to the terms of service. That's exactly

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01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 3: we're going to be selling your data, right And that's

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I'm guilty of that too. And you

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 3: know I'm body moving and I'm guilty of that. You know,

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01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,759
Speaker 3: you really have to read these terms of service agreements

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01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 3: because it's going to tell you right then and there,

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Speaker 3: your data is going to be for sale.

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Speaker 2: And then we say to ourselves and that's okay, I

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01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 2: have nothing to hide, and then we like convince ourselves

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01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 2: in the spirit of time and you know, quickness that

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01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 2: it's fine. And then here you are. You get your

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01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: bank account right now, you have no money.

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Speaker 9: And we're all going to die and.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have to come every week because I

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, I could tell you we're going to be.

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Speaker 9: Like, we're all going to be okay, right that that

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01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 9: I come on over, I always have food.

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Speaker 2: We're also to be okay.

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Speaker 9: I think that I think we're like we are panicked

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 9: and it's very overwhelming. Like I spend most of my

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 9: time calming down parents, right because it's look, we didn't

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01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 9: grow up with this stuff, right, so we are learning

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Speaker 9: as we go along. Here we're trying not to screw

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01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 9: up for ourselves. And then we're also in charge of

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Speaker 9: other generations, older generations, younger generations, trying to keep them

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Speaker 9: safe as well with something where we're just kind of

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Speaker 9: winging as we go, right. So I think that we

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Speaker 9: all need to like collectively take a deep breath and

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Speaker 9: just do the best we can. There are going to

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Speaker 9: be all of the things that have them behind the

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Speaker 9: scenes that even cybersecurity experts don't know or don't understand.

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Speaker 9: So I think if we can do the best that

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Speaker 9: we can. And by the way, it goes back to

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Speaker 9: simple things, having good passwords, you know, not.

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Speaker 5: Letting Katie not panicking is the best advice include and

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Speaker 5: everything else I'm doing right now. Thank you so so

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Speaker 5: so much for joining us. I'm really hope you are back.

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Speaker 2: Katie Greer is a leading Internet safety expert. She is

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Speaker 2: CEO of K L. Greer Consulting. And stick around because

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Speaker 2: we are going to be hearing from you true crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Where has this night gone?

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Speaker 2: If you have missed any of the show, please catch

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Speaker 2: and we'll play it on the show. So safety tips galore.

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Speaker 2: She was great, I mean Katie Greer.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, if anyone wants to connect with

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Speaker 5: her for your school, for your personal information, because she

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Speaker 5: is awesome. You know, she is an internet absolute leading

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Speaker 5: safety expert. She's the CEO of KL Greer Consulting, and

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Speaker 5: she is on Instagram, TikTok and x as Katie L.

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Speaker 5: Greer so and she is also kl Greer Consulting on Facebook.

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Speaker 5: So again, if you want to search her out, because man,

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Speaker 5: she seems I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, you have to have any on right, Like, if

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Speaker 3: you have a company that you know, maybe you're smaller

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01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 3: and you've got you don't even have nineties maybe even right,

1503
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 3: she can come in and like give your your staff

1504
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 3: basically the rundown on how to stay safe. Because listen,

1505
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 3: this is this is a billion dollar industry to get

1506
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 3: this this stuff. Like you know here in Las Vegas,

1507
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 3: the MGM, because you know, they shut down remember when

1508
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 3: they got packed, like the three fifteen year old kid.

1509
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 3: Fifteen year old kid shut this billion dollar company down. Like, yeah,

1510
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 3: so this kind of consulting is probably pretty pretty good

1511
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 3: to get into.

1512
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 5: I wonder where that fifteen years he's in he's in court.

1513
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 2: Oh okay, whah. I was like, I hope the MGM

1514
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: hired him to run their high stakes internet Internet control.

1515
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 2: But that's really helpful basic stuff. And yeah, we should

1516
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 2: kind of continue this conversation.

1517
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 3: We should have like a tip every week or something,

1518
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 3: you know, like of things to keep yourself safe because listen,

1519
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 3: most of our I think our primary audience are probably women, right,

1520
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 3: and it's we have to be safe, right.

1521
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 2: Do I have to look out for each other and

1522
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 2: keep each other safe. Also, my mom just sent me

1523
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 2: a tip. She's licibitch, and like it's really good advice

1524
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 2: to make sure that your family and your family can

1525
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 2: be anything, whether it's your roommate or whomever you live

1526
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: with or your immediate circle, that you have a code

1527
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 2: word amongst you. So that way, if ever you're in

1528
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: a situation and someone's telling you, oh, call so and so,

1529
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: call body, call Courtney and have them send you money,

1530
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 2: and like you're in a high stake situation, you have

1531
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 2: to say, Courtney, your body, give me our code word.

1532
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 2: And then only if you say that.

1533
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 3: Growing up with my mom, she said, if I ever,

1534
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:42,719
Speaker 3: if I ever send somebody to pick you up from school,

1535
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 3: they're going to tell you super califragulistic, expi elidocious. Yeah,

1536
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 3: so on, I swear to god you guys. I was

1537
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 3: walking home from school. I grew up in Detroit, walking

1538
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 3: home from school, I was, you know, a little and

1539
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 3: that's what we did. We walked home because you know,

1540
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 3: parents didn't piggy back then. And somebody pulled up beside

1541
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 3: me in a brown car. I will never forget this

1542
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 3: in my life. I had a Michael Jackson shirt on.

1543
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 3: I finally had I finally found a shirt with my

1544
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 3: name on it. Deanna. It's a very uncommon name, so

1545
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 3: I wore like every day. I was like, anyway, he

1546
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 3: said Deanna because I had my name, and so I

1547
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 3: was like, yeah. He goes, your mom sent me and

1548
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 3: I said, what's the and he goes what. I said,

1549
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 3: what's the code word? I'm not even kidding, and he

1550
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 3: goes what and he sped off, Wow, I swear. So

1551
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 3: I told my mom obviously, why you are who you are.

1552
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 3: She goes, I am never going to get you a

1553
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 3: shirt with your name on it ever again, Like she

1554
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 3: freaked out. But the code word worked because I'm telling

1555
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 3: you right now, if we didn't have that code word,

1556
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 3: I would have been in that brown car and I

1557
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 3: would have been taken off by.

1558
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, one time when I was in

1559
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 2: high school, me and Christina Elford, we were driving back

1560
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 2: from a concert. We had like some sort of a

1561
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: car issue, not our car, one of our parents' cars,

1562
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: and we had to pull over on the highway on

1563
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: the four ninety five expressway. And you know, if they stay, like,

1564
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 2: stay in the car because if you get out on

1565
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: the it's more dangerous, et cetera. So this undercover cop,

1566
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, fortunately sees us and starts. He goes to

1567
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 2: the hangar and like backs up to make sure that

1568
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 2: we're okay, and I'm getting out of the car, she's

1569
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 2: getting out of the car. I feel like there were

1570
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 2: three of us, and and the guy that this undercover

1571
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 2: police officer comes out and he's like, you guys, it's

1572
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 2: really dangerous. Make sure you stay in the car. I'll go,

1573
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, summon for some help, and one of you

1574
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: should come with me and we'll go. And I was like,

1575
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 2: all right, well I'll come, and you know, guys, you

1576
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 2: stay here with the car because you know our parents

1577
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 2: are gonna kill us. So I'll go. And then as

1578
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 2: I'm going in, my friend got a bad feeling and

1579
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: this guy spooted off. Then the cops actually came and

1580
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 2: sure enough that was not a real cop.

1581
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 3: No, wow, how do survive? Fairly?

1582
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 2: Fairly? By the way, to this day.

1583
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 3: I will walk into like gift shops or whatever, like

1584
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 3: kind of like souvenir shops, and I'll see like the

1585
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 3: key chain rack full of people's names, and I'm like,

1586
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 3: oh to this. I mean, I was probably in maybe

1587
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 3: first grade.

1588
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: That's a really good take and it has.

1589
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 3: Stuck with me that long. That I would always cry,

1590
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 3: like my friends always had these really cute breads with

1591
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 3: these bribds and it had their name and had their

1592
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 3: names in them and their bracelets with their names, and

1593
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: I could never find one. Well, thank god my mom

1594
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 3: made me a weird name because otherwise anyway, Yeah, I

1595
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,639
Speaker 3: always think that I can say, but that's an.

1596
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 2: Interesting Yeah, there was never a Taha key chain at

1597
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 2: the airport. Aha, We'll make you a key chee. But like,

1598
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: if you think about it, it's really personalized gifts. Right.

1599
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 2: You have a little backpack on little back you know,

1600
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: back to.

1601
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 3: School, so dangerous do you think about it? Right? Because look,

1602
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 3: if you're a little Christopher, hey Chris, you know what

1603
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 3: I mean? And it says Chris and puffy letters on

1604
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 3: his backpack, you know it's Predator Paradise.

1605
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 5: Well, and they also you know how people will put

1606
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 5: sort of stick figures on the on their car, the icons,

1607
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 5: and it can be a stick figure of you know, mom,

1608
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 5: dad and three kids and two dogs. But sometimes people

1609
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 5: put the names of everybody, so then it can be like, hey, Ben,

1610
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 5: your sister Laura lost your dog Lola.

1611
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 2: I need your help to look for it. And then

1612
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 2: by the way, and that's also we say this, We've

1613
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 2: said this before, but we kind of learned this a

1614
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 2: little bit in the Idaho Massacre podcasts with sort of

1615
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 2: the takeaway is really making sure that there aren't any

1616
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 2: identifying house images on your Instagram or your TikTok's or

1617
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 2: your Facebook posts. You know, think about it. Your windows,

1618
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 2: you know, entrances and exits to your house.

1619
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 3: You know, we take a photograph on Christmas.

1620
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 2: Morning and you're like, yay, so happy, and she I

1621
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 2: love seeing those photos of my friends and loved ones.

1622
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 2: But imagine you're a total creep and you're looking at

1623
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: these photographs and you're noticing, oh, that's where the window

1624
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 2: is here, and oh that's the one little room, and

1625
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: it gives you kind of a blueprint to the house

1626
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: potentially without you even realizing it.

1627
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 3: Also, license plates and photos. Be careful of that, yeah,

1628
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 3: be very careful and that and that's really Internet safety too, right, Like,

1629
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 3: you don't think about taking a photo of yourself posing

1630
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 3: maybe in the mirror, you know is going to be

1631
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 3: dangerous for you, But guess what that mirror is reflecting

1632
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 3: your living room?

1633
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1634
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 3: Right, and then it's it's just a cute picture. And

1635
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 3: then you post it to TikTok and or whatever Instagram,

1636
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 3: and now potential intruders know, okay, I need to step

1637
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 3: down twice to you know, from the doorway, and then

1638
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 3: turn left and step up two more times because listen,

1639
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 3: it might be dark, you know, like it gives it

1640
01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 3: just gives people just a leg up, a leg up, right, right.

1641
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,839
Speaker 3: We don't really think about that that is being Internet safety,

1642
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 3: but it truly is, right. I mean, if you're posting

1643
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,480
Speaker 3: it to the Internet, it's.

1644
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 2: O for the world.

1645
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 3: You need to be careful.

1646
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 7: Yeah. I had one friend, like, I guess he posted

1647
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 7: something and you could zoom in and see the I guess,

1648
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 7: a piece of mail with the address on it. So yeah,

1649
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 7: I didn't even think about little things like while people

1650
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 7: are looking at detail closely, so.

1651
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 2: They're scanning it and by the way, with it somebody

1652
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 2: who is you know, has extra time in their hands

1653
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 2: and is looking to do nefarious things. They are not

1654
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 2: only honing in, they're studying it. Yeah, and like imagine that, right,

1655
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 2: So every time you post something, imagine you're inviting the

1656
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 2: world to come into your home. That's kind of the filter.

1657
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 8: You know.

1658
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 2: My brain collapsed on this. I used to be a

1659
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 2: big poster. And now I'm like crickets, ye say, well,

1660
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 2: you've always you're never really you've had like two posts.

1661
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 2: That's true.

1662
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 12: I don't.

1663
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 5: I'm very I'm not on x I'm not on Instagram,

1664
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 5: I'm not on TikTok, I'm you know.

1665
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 2: I just say.

1666
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 7: I still post a little bit, but like I have

1667
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 7: pulled back. I have another set of friends that they

1668
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 7: would travel on vacation and post everything. They came back

1669
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 7: their house was robbed.

1670
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 3: So well it's a big one.

1671
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, never post while you're away. Now, by the way,

1672
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 2: as somebody who loves to see people's you know, holidays

1673
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 2: and vacations, I get a kick out of that stuff.

1674
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: So and I love seeing yours taha to look I do.

1675
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, vicariously, I'm living through all these

1676
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 2: life moments and I get to be someplace that I'm not.

1677
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 2: That's kind of really a joy for me. So it's

1678
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 2: a shame that we have to be so critically and

1679
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 2: like we can't share our lives so so easily. But

1680
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: here we are.

1681
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 5: But even in the vacation front and body correct me

1682
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 5: if I'm wrong. What I what I would say is

1683
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 5: post it when you're back.

1684
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, that's what I start doing.

1685
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I meant. That's right, that's right. Yeah,

1686
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 2: so just just wait, enjoy the NFL towel or the

1687
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 2: red Rocks or the Effel Tower towel.

1688
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 7: The towel, the Eiffel towel. But yeah, yeah, do it

1689
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 7: all on the return flight. Even then by the time

1690
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 7: you land, it's all safe and sound and you're fine.

1691
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 7: So yeah, good safety tips. Next time she's back, I

1692
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 7: want to ask her about some dating tips too, because

1693
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 7: that's in my world too, the.

1694
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: Dating apps, right, yeah, it's a major, major and then

1695
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 2: people can see where you are.

1696
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 7: Like I've always been horrified ever since I saw the

1697
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 7: Dahmer movie on Netflix. I guess there was something he

1698
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 7: would do once the door closes behind you. He had

1699
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 7: removed door knobs or something, so there was no way.

1700
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: To get out.

1701
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh my god.

1702
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god. No, I don't even say it, but

1703
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 2: that is obviously never go to anybody's home first date,

1704
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 2: maybe even that second date.

1705
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah I wouldn't, Yeah, I would. I would definitely not

1706
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 3: do I have done.

1707
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 2: In the stranger Danger I know same. I just like,

1708
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 2: now that we are where we are, you know, it's

1709
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 2: just you know, Oh my goodness, put the genie back.

1710
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,440
Speaker 2: Should we go another talk back? Let's do it.

1711
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 14: I just watched a movie called The Stranger Some Truth

1712
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 14: in an eight with Live Tyler. Oh my gosh. It

1713
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Speaker 14: was so scary, really scary.

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Speaker 8: I don't so.

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Speaker 14: I googled it because in the beginning it said based

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Speaker 14: on true events and one of the inspirations for the

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Speaker 14: film was the Kendy Cabin murders. K E. D D

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Speaker 14: I E. I've never heard of this. I don't know

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01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 14: if you have, might be something to explore.

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Speaker 7: I'm looking it up now. I've never heard.

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01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 2: I've never heard of it. Keeddy Cabin murders.

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Speaker 5: It was an unsolved quadruple homicide that happened nineteen eighty

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01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 5: one in Kenny, California.

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Speaker 3: Wow, in the Sierra Nevadas, right, Okay, that's they were.

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01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 3: They were found bound with electrical chords and medical tape

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01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:03,719
Speaker 3: and they were stabbed, beaten, and bludgeoned inside this cabin.

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01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 3: Terrible and there was a kidnapping associated with it as well.

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Speaker 3: One of the victim's daughters, she was twelve years old.

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Speaker 3: She was abducted from them, received the scene and her

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Speaker 3: remains were found three years later. Oh wow, Yeah, I've

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Speaker 3: never seen that movie.

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01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 7: Though, but no, it does. I just look that one up.

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01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 7: It seems I guess it's a home envision. A home

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01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 7: invasion thriller directed by Brian Berntino with Live Taylor. The

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01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 7: premises a wedding receptor a wedding reception, A couple retreats

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01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 7: to a remote house for the night, three masked intruders

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01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 7: terrorizing for no clear reason. One of the film's most

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01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 7: chilling lines explains the movie because you were home.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, lights out, lights out, everybody put

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01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 2: the lights a line. Can we talk about puppies and that?

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01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to shift gears and tell.

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01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 2: You, Jessica Catholin, I see your chair, I see your lamp.

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Speaker 7: Well, I just got a wonderful DM from someone, because

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Speaker 7: we're getting some of those as we're on live right now.

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01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 7: This person, this is Joe Marie. She said, I just

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01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 7: have to say that this entire week, you have all

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01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 7: been speaking directly to my soul. I can't bring myself

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01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 7: to call right now because life feels extremely heavy. But

1749
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 7: thank you, thank you for touching base on what so

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01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 7: many of us are going through and not really able

1751
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 7: to understand exactly why much love.

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01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 3: Oh so that gave me chills. That was so wonderful.

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01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 3: What like, I feel better talking about it too, you

1754
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like it you're not alone, we're

1755
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 3: exactulating like the weight of the world. Like obviously the

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01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 3: weight of the world is not on our shoulders, you know,

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01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 3: but I mean, we're all feeling it, right, We're all

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01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 3: feeling this heavy air. And I think just commiserating with

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01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 3: people who are also feeling like it's just really heavy,

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01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:53,719
Speaker 3: it makes me feel better.

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01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 5: I mean, like Jessica Kaplan had said, even just naming

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01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 5: and acknowledging I am anxious.

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Speaker 2: I am you know, even to yourself, just okay.

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01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 5: Then it's a place to start versus being you know

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Speaker 5: that it's appropriate.

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01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 2: It's also a sign of empathy and that it's appropriate.

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01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 2: And listen, you know, nobody is immune to not getting

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01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 2: hit hard in life, right, Everybody is kind of going

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01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 2: through their version of something. So what we don't realize

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01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 2: is that just by kind of sharing and talking about it,

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01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 2: it does it does ease a little bit because we

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01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 2: get stuck in our heads and that's like the last

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01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 2: place any of us should be alone. Is in our

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01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 2: own heads, right. I don't want to be with that

1775
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 2: scary whisper because I know I know wants us tonight.

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01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 7: But also, can I remind everyone what tomorrow is.

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01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 2: Talk Back Tuesday.

1778
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, everyone's sending those talkbacks because it's my favorite

1779
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 7: time of the week is when we get to dig

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01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 7: into all of those.

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01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, case suggestions, questions about anything that we've

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01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 5: been talking about. Yeah, whatever you got, we want to

1783
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 5: hear it.

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Speaker 2: Help us, help us shape the show, help us shape

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01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 2: the show. What a night it's been. I feel like

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01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 2: we've touched on a lot of areas, so much more

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01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 2: on this to come. Listen, talk back to Tuesday tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: You heard it here. We want to hear from you.

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01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 2: This is true crime tonight. We've been talking true crime

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Speaker 2: all the time. Stay safe and have a great night.