1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: Calzon Media, Yo, Murray Christmas, Happy Kwanza, Happy Honekah, Happy Festivus, Yo, 2 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Winner Solstice, the. 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: Least Navidad, Balik Bayon, Saint John Bosco. That's kind of 4 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: how you state it's a guy, look Maley. Anyway, all right, guys, 5 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: Holiday Edition. As you know, in cool Zone Media, we 6 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: try to take our foot off the gas for at 7 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: least one day and behind the bastards they do at 8 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: least one episode of somebody Nice. Last year, I brought 9 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: Alma my wife referred to her by her prefix, to 10 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: give y'all a color folks guide to surviving our holiday meal. 11 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: And you know, it was pretty fun. 12 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: Man. 13 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: I wanted to bring her in again and kind of 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: talk about, you know, some other just good stuff. But 15 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: here's the reality. Man, let me just be real. It's 16 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: a loud white people in this audience. So I have 17 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 2: to make sure I understand the people for which I'm talking. Now, 18 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: you colored folks, that's already been down for a while. 19 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: Like I didn't need to tell y'all that y'all already knew, 20 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: you alreadyknew what to do. Like I had to tell 21 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: you that, you know, so we were just having a 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: little fun time, you know, like for example, if you 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: listen in by yourself and you colored, melanated, or you 24 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: with somebody that is, I'm gonna ask you a question, 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna prove to y'all who I don't. Obviously, 26 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: I'm recording this in my own home. I don't know 27 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: where you are, but we're about to have this moment me, 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: me and the colored person I'm talking to right now. 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: If you were gonna go into a black house for holidays, 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: should you bring a dish nobody necessarily asked you to bring. 31 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: Should you volunteer a food item for the meal and 32 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: just bring it? That's the correct answer. The correct answer 33 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 2: is absolutely not. You absolutely do not volunteer food. You're 34 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: assigned food. We take it very seriously. You don't walk 35 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: in here with your mama's casserole recipe. In side note, 36 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: I just learned something about casserole. I don't know what 37 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: took me so long to realize this, but casserole is 38 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: just white people struggle food. I get it now. It's 39 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: like you just take whatever's in the cabinet. There's probably 40 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: some ritz crackers and some creama mushroom and some green beans, 41 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: throw some cheese on it and put in the oven 42 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: and it'll feed you for weeks. I get it now, 43 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: it's your struggle meal. I totally get it. I can't 44 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: believe I didn't understand it now. Obviously I don't want 45 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: any but I understand it now. I was like, I 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: don't understand why y'all like casserole so much. People would say, well, 47 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: isn't it antie lotta casserole? No, antie lottas are purposeful, 48 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: and there's one way to make them. Well, there's two, 49 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: either with meat or without. That's different. When you say casserole, 50 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: you talk about anything. I totally understand now. And you 51 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: know what, respect, I don't know what it is about 52 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: when you see a person and a poor version that 53 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: just makes me a limo empathetic to them where you 54 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: see the poor version of them. I just it's hard 55 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: to explain it, especially now. Listen y'all. Obviously poor people 56 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: could come in all different colored, sizes and shapes, obviously, 57 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: but when you from them where I'm from, you know, 58 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: maybe two poor white people because they just that there's 59 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: the white family that lives in your hood. That that's 60 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: that's really all you know. Every white person you know, 61 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 2: a flu you never met any poor white people because 62 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: it's you from the you know what I'm saying, We 63 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: don't make it out to him or a spirit. It 64 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: won't make it out there yet. It's when you start 65 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: traveling and then you're like, oh, there is such thing 66 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: as poor white people, and then it all makes sense. 67 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: You just like, oh, okay, anyway. 68 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 69 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: I just I tend to find myself being much more 70 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: empathetic when I find the poor versions of something. I 71 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: know how ridiculous that is, but I don't know what 72 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: to tell you. 73 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: It is what it is. 74 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: So in honor of understanding y'all's experience, I know that 75 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 2: when you go back home to the holidays, and I 76 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: know if you're a listener to the politics, you probably 77 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: most likely have vastly different views than your family, especially 78 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: if you had to travel for the holidays. You probably 79 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: or at least it's one of them jokers that you 80 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: just like, please don't make me talk to uncle Mark. 81 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: I just the way that the statistics work, at least 82 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: in America. You got a conspiracy theorist in your family, 83 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: you got somebody who you got Alex Joan, You gotta 84 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: you it's somebody. It is a vast number of people. 85 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: Sometimes it might be your own mama and daddy. It's 86 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: a vast number of people in your family who has 87 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: had their brain baked. Now, don't mean now, I'm not 88 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: talking about somebody who you just disagree with. Okay, that's different, 89 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: although I am going to get to that too. I'm 90 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: talking about somebody who's just out of here, okay, Because listen, dude, 91 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: you can people's experiences and their views on how to 92 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: solve the things in the world. They can vary, you know, 93 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: and that's listen, that's normal. That variation is going to 94 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: make you a better person, okay, and it makes the 95 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: nation better if we can find a way to talk 96 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: about these things. But I'm talking about y'all who's like, 97 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: oh that fam. I can't even I like, what the 98 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: hell happened to cousin Jeff? Like what I just we 99 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: can't even we can't even talk. And from what I 100 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: understand now, Babe, this is a TV trope. But the 101 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: way y'all fight, y'all be yelling at each other at 102 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: the table, like we'll fight like that, like we fight 103 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: different we go outside and fight now again, maybe po 104 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: White people is different. But the way y'all be yelling 105 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: at your uh, at your elders and ship, that's that 106 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: just don't be happening with us. We don't yell at 107 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: our elders. It just it just don't happen. We yell 108 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: at each other. But you you keep that you you 109 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: don't bring that energy to your elders, So your experience 110 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: might get crazy. So what I want to do is, 111 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: on a serious note, give y'all some best practices. This 112 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: is serious as to how to deal with Uncle Mark. 113 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: So this is the hood politics. Will prop search for 114 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: common ground guide to dealing with Uncle Mark Hood politics. 115 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: Y'all all right now some of you may or may 116 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: not know, And I'm gonna talk more about this later. 117 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna have a CEO on the show this year, 118 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: especially because of what's going on with polarization and divisiveness 119 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: in this election year. But search for Comic Ground Peace 120 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 2: Building Org. I'm a part of. We have these things 121 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: called these best practices cards, and I'm just gonna give 122 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: you a taste of this. I'm gonna put a link 123 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: in the show notes for y'all to be able to 124 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: have us for yourself. Now again, These are just suggestions. 125 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: These are ways to sort of help in a lot 126 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: of different areas when it comes to engaging in social 127 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: media talking to somebody who had they brain baked with 128 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: conspiracy theories. When you just like somebody just trafficking and hate, 129 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: it's just a very difficult person. And the person that 130 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: I am making this in your family is your uncle Mark. 131 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: Now you may not have an uncle Mark. Maybe it's 132 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: an uncle Dave, or maybe it's your aunt Sally, or 133 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: may it's grandma, Grandma just scrolling you know, conservative TikTok 134 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: now and just she's her favorite thing is libs of TikTok. 135 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: And I don't know, whatever the case may be, it's 136 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: just it's all bad. Now, how do you deal with 137 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: this situation? Now? The first thing that really sucks is 138 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: the fact that at and I resent this often, is 139 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: that I always have to be the bigger person. And 140 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: there are times that I'm not going to be. There are, 141 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, there are times I'm not fit 142 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: to be the bigger person. You understand them saying, like 143 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: I'm on the listen, You've heard me say this before. 144 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: I'm not a pacifist, Like there are times that somebody 145 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: need to taste slapped out of their mouth. I understand 146 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: there are times for that to happen. But in austinary 147 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: know we talk about peacebuilding, get trust building and common 148 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: ground works on this idea is this idea that like 149 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: peace moves at the speed of trust. Right, you don't 150 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: get nowhere with somebody that don't trust you, right. So 151 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: that's one thing. Another thing I would say, just overall, 152 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: and this is like, this is really like even even 153 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 2: whether it's this situation, this is just relationship advice. And 154 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: not that I'm an expert, but I can say this 155 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: because I've I've failed at it so many times. Most 156 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: of the time, people just want to be heard. They 157 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: just want to know that you heard them. Not that 158 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: you listen to them so that you can shut them 159 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: down or so that you can rebut what they said, 160 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: but that they just know they were heard. You follow me, 161 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: Which sucks because that means you're gonna have to sit 162 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: through sometimes some of the wildest shit just to hear 163 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: what they really saying. And that's the strength, honestly of 164 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: little politics is like I think that's why y'all like 165 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: tap in with my show is like I'm telling you 166 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: oftentimes what these people is really saying, you know, and 167 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: they're saying a lot of words, but this is what 168 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: they're saying. And a lot of times, you know, a 169 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that the other cool zone media 170 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: shows deal with, like especially we talk about like in 171 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 2: cells and stuff like that, like these fools are lonely 172 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: and they just long for belonging. And a lot of 173 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: times that's how like a lot of these little radical 174 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: for our right white boys get radicalized because they're just 175 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: looking for belonging. I just I need a squad, you 176 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: feel me. You find those in all types of different communities. 177 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: A lot of times you find them online or in 178 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: gaming communities. Then they get you know, radicalized through those circles. 179 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, people want to 180 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: be heard. And it might have started off from like 181 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: an honest to goodness, legitimate grievance. And that's the skill 182 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about right now. Now keep in mind 183 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: again I'm not writing theology for y'all. Like I'm talking 184 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: about like the two days you have to spend with 185 00:11:51,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: your uncle. You're not gonna convert him, all right now, 186 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: let's just say which I'm pretty sure this is how 187 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: it would go because you just don't feel like it. 188 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: You probably on your fourth cocktail. But Uncle Mark is 189 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: ready to like send you some stuff, and he talking 190 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: real wild about things, and now he wants to debate you. 191 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: Uncle Mark is all kind of tough topics all over 192 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: the news whatever, or he just freaking freely, you know, 193 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: in a way that like it feels like if I 194 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: don't say anything, I'm agreeing with him, and I don't 195 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: want you poison in the brains of my nieces and nephew. 196 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: But most people's common practice is to like just be like, yo, 197 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: can we not talk about that? Like I'm just trying 198 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: to have a nice time, like just chill, you know, 199 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: you try to shut it down all kind of racial slurs, 200 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: they like dead naming, just making fun of trance, just 201 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: all of it. Obviously, if somebody talking like that, like 202 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: it don't deserve respects. And that's another thing that's hard about. 203 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: It's like, okle Mark, don't deserve it, especially the way 204 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: you talk about everybody like this. But now you got 205 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: to be the bigger person while at the same time 206 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: not standford this bullshit. You feel me, So the game 207 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 2: gets real weird. Now you have to show a respect 208 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: that's not being reflected or earned. And I don't know 209 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: Mark as well as you do, but I know I 210 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: have to be like, hey, man, I'm really interested in 211 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: what you have to say, but these slurs are like 212 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: that's a hindrance to me. And I mean, you gotta 213 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: have your opinion. But I'm saying like, at least for 214 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: this conversation, br like, just don't talk to me that 215 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: way you feel me like, and then that it makes 216 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: it more personal, like, hey, I would appreciate. I'm not 217 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: correcting you specifically, I'm just saying like, hey, I'm really 218 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: I'm really trying to figure out where you're going with this, 219 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: but like, hey, I could do it out all the 220 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: all the extra, but like, but tell me what you think, 221 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: just like look, man, like, just don't talk to me 222 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: that way, Like I'm not trying to hear that, just 223 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: like I wouldn't that nobody talk to you and call 224 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 2: you anything ocal Mark out your name. You know what 225 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm oftentimes it's like Mark ain't never met 226 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: no trans person, so it's like you don't even know 227 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: these people. So I'm like, well I know them, you 228 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: feel me, and like I wouldn't let them talk to 229 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: you that way? So please, This is you know, you 230 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: approach a topic respectfully, right, and you try to understand 231 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: where this person is coming from. Now, the best way 232 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: to do that, especially in that scenario, is to just 233 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: ask questions about what they're saying, whatever the topic is, 234 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: just to be like, you know, hey, so like one 235 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: is like, okay, where did you get that information? All right? 236 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: And what do you hope what happened to see in 237 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: the world? Okay, why do you think that that's better? 238 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: And just be curious about what they're saying, right and 239 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: what you're doing, and genuinely listen because when you genuinely 240 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: listen to some of the stuff they say, you could 241 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: actually hear or what they worried about even with all 242 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: the racis shit. Now listening, of course doesn't mean you 243 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: change in your mind, right, And I'm pretty sure in 244 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: there you could find a lot of times you can 245 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: find a shared goal. You're like most of the time, 246 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: like I found again, people just want to matter, like 247 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: you want to know that your work matters, that people 248 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: see your pain and they see your suffering, whether your 249 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: suffering is is imagined or not. Because again I'm talking 250 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: about a family member here, right, this is this person 251 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: you related to this person. This I'm not talking about 252 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: some blowhard on the street. So there's a shared value here, 253 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: Like i mean, as crazy as your uncle Mark is, 254 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: I'm hoping like there was at one time that you 255 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: and Uncle Mark were great, but he got his brain cooked, right, 256 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: So there is a shared value, you know, and you 257 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: could understand like nobody wants their stories erased or their 258 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: stories ignored. You can understand that, right. Also, I think 259 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: a big practice is like have a non anxious approach, 260 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: like try your best, as annoying as Uncle might be, 261 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: to just kind of keep your heart, maintain a non 262 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: anxious you don't have to be combative. Just wait and 263 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: what I find, and of course this isn't These are 264 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: just practices, These are not rules. What I find is 265 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: once you can mirror back their actual fear and grievance, 266 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: you can start talking about ways to address that, which 267 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: sometimes isn't even a topic that they brought up. And 268 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: I'm assuming if you would listen to my show, that 269 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: you understand that solutions are nuanced and they come into 270 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: all different sizes and shapes. And I'm hoping you got 271 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: receipts about what you're gonna say, and then you could 272 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: start saying, hey, actually, I think we all feel that way. 273 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: Now keep in mind, I'm saying this as someone who 274 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: doesn't have an uncle Mark like y'all do, so I 275 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: can empathize with the frustration you might feel with an 276 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: uncle Mark. I just don't have one. But I do 277 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: think these things can help because I have definitely had 278 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: very difficult conversations. So like a good like practice is like, 279 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: all right, so ogle Mark, when you said, you know, 280 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: Blase Black WOOPI woop. That really got me thinking, hey, 281 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: can I ask you about YadA YadA? Like okay, so 282 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 2: you say this, and I was thinking, like how you 283 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: feel about boom boom boom? 284 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: You know? 285 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: And this is like again you're showing curiosity, and it's 286 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: like I'm just I really just want to understand where 287 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: you're coming from. And then if you don't want to 288 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: feel like a herd, because oftentimes they gonna start thinking 289 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 2: they're convincing you or that you're being compative, and you 290 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: can be real where you could be like yo, listen, 291 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: like I strongly disagree with you, but I'm just trying 292 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: to understand where you're coming from. And I found that 293 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: that is super disarming with people sometimes like what don't 294 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: you agree with? And then a lot of times I'm like, well, 295 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: we could get to that, but I just want I 296 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 2: want to understand what you're saying first cause and then 297 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 2: I say, maybe I don't disagree, I just I want 298 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: to understand what you're saying, you know, and that curiosity helps, right, 299 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: And then you could go to the common areas like 300 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: I said, like, nobody wants their story race, nobody wants 301 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 2: their suffering to be minimized, Like I totally understand that 302 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: you have a voice. You want your voice to be heard, right, 303 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: And then I would approach like oftentimes I go with 304 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: the like, well, but I surely don't want my voice 305 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: to be heard at the price of somebody else's. I 306 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: don't want to put somebody else through what I'm complaining about, 307 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 2: because that's not right either. And now guess what I'm 308 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: talking about, justice boom, Yeah, I'd be like, I philosophically 309 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: believe that, and especially somebody who's like mad at the government, 310 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, there's enough money to go around. My success 311 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: doesn't have to come at the cost of other poor people. 312 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: There's plenty of money to go around, so just because 313 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: I would like more for my community doesn't mean I 314 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: want less for yours. That's a brain breaker for these people. 315 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 3: Boom justice. 316 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: Now. The next thing is probably issues about the news 317 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 2: and the media that, like your family is, is absorbing. 318 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: I think the first thing to do is first acknowledge 319 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: your own bias and your new and I think the 320 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: most common practice is to assume that the other person's 321 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: news is ridiculous and yours is correct, right or to 322 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: like these people would tell themselves that they did their 323 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: own homework right now. Granted, the truth is most of us, 324 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: including myself, are not trained journalists like I don't. I'm 325 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: a college grad, so I know how to double check sources. 326 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: I know how to read footnotes, I know how to 327 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: look for dissenting voices. I know how to understand that 328 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: biases come from different ways in different areas. And I 329 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: know what I'm reading has a lens, and that's fine, 330 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: because even the lens tells me something. It tells me 331 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: what these people actually value. What usually happens is when 332 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: somebody brings up a news story, the other person brings 333 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: up another news story that says the opposite, and then 334 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: they'll finally start being like mainstream media, mainstream media, mainstream media, right, 335 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 2: and then that you can't trust the system, you know, 336 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: and then and then usually the conversation stops because there's 337 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: nowhere to go after that. What I usually do, or 338 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: what I think a good practice to do is in 339 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: this scenario, that's like, if we're not just talking about 340 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: your own practices of like just doing a quick Google 341 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: search on if a story is true or what other 342 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: news reports reported on it, who reported on it, why 343 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: they reported on it, and are there other stories on 344 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: that story? Right? That's just a quick Google will let 345 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: you do that I found in person. When someone brings 346 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: up a story, since all of us have all the 347 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 2: information in the world on our phones, I'll be like, yo, 348 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: tell me about it, what was the name, and then 349 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: pull on my phone and Google it and just like 350 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: it with them, be like oh word. So then I'll 351 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I'm reading it, and then say, hey, 352 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: but there's this other page here, and then hey, but 353 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: there's this other page here. Hey but there's this other 354 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: page here, and then just kind of challenge the idea 355 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: that like, no, like I'm not just I'm not just 356 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 2: telling you the story's false. I'm like, I'm this is 357 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: in real time. This is what I do when stories 358 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: come across my page. I just kind of like look 359 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: it up, you know. But all that leads to the 360 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: final part, which is probably your biggest scenario, which is 361 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: the conspiracy theories, especially going into twenty twenty four, mostly 362 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: the big lie. Let's talk about it after this, all right, 363 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: we're back before I get into conspiracy theories. It's the 364 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: thought crossed my mind that your family probably calls you 365 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 2: woke and they mean it in like a pejorative way. 366 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: Here's the way I have found to approach that. Now, again, 367 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: that don't happen in my house because we're black. But 368 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: it's not like black people subjectives anyway. I would be like, hey, 369 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: what do you think woke means? And just ask like 370 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: what do you mean by that? And then not a 371 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: combatter way, just like Yo, what do you mean by that? 372 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 2: And like okay, and then turn it like this, Hey, So, 373 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: so you think it's important to be like aware of 374 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: the ways that you know the government treats us and 375 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: hides the truth and allocates resources and the ways for 376 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: which your rights are being undermined. Is that is that important. 377 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: Is it important to like be informed about stuff like that? 378 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: They'd be like absolutely, And you're like, well, that's you're 379 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: woke too, because that's because that's really what it means. 380 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: It just means to stay awake of the ways that 381 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: you're being oppressed and just kind of leave it like that, 382 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: this is what it means, and like it means. Woke 383 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: is past sense of awake, and that's I mean, that's 384 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: what it means. Long pause. Here are the things you 385 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: have to remember about conspiracy theories and people who are 386 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: like in that rabbit hole. First of all, understand that 387 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: all of us at one time in our life believed one, 388 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: some more serious than the others. There you probably believe 389 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: in one now you just don't know it's a conspiracy theory. 390 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: Like it's because there's just so much information out there 391 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: and so much time has passed in the world that 392 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: there's most likely there's a conspiracy theory that you believe 393 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 2: it whether you know it or not, right, So there's that. Secondly, 394 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: really understanding how someone how and why someone falls for 395 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: this makes these conversations much better. And the practice is this, 396 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 2: most people tend to believe stories that match their views 397 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: and are reported by sources that I already agree with. 398 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 2: I guess that's just how most of us work. But 399 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: the practice of even interrogating that, searching for verification for 400 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: those stories, and then sharing them with caution. Right, But 401 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: oftentimes when you're talking about conspiracy theories, you're not talking logic, right, 402 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: do you guys remember the birds aren't Real thing? A 403 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: dude did an amazing ted talk that started the birds 404 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 2: aren't real or he made it up and then created 405 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: this character when he saw that it was going viral. 406 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: He was at a protest in Memphis and he saw 407 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: all those signs and then just kind of for a joke, 408 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: just wrote on a sign real quick, birds aren't real, 409 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: and then it started showing up. So at that point 410 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: he started to, you know, reverse engineer a mythology around 411 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: birds not being real, and then he created this character. 412 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: He said it was an organization founded that's been around 413 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 2: for forty years, not longer than that, sixty years, founded 414 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: in the seventies because in the nineteen seventies the government 415 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: murdered eight billion pigeons, killed him on and replace them 416 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: with drones so they could spy on us. Like that's 417 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 2: the story and the evidence is all around us. Where 418 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: do pigeons? Have you ever seen a baby pigeon? No, 419 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: they come out the factory full. He was like, where 420 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: do you always see pigeons? They're on power lines. It's 421 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 2: because they're charging there, and I'm a pigeon truther. And 422 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: then he even started staging events where they would go 423 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: and demand justice for the pigeons, just playing this character 424 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 2: almost like just to see how far as go, and 425 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: then people was like really in and then finally like 426 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 2: he called up CNN and he was just like, hey, guys, 427 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: I made that up. But here's the experience of what 428 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: I learned. He said, people would while he was out 429 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: doing being the character doing the protest, would come at 430 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: him being like you are a fucking idiot. You're destroying 431 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: the world, like you're so stupid, and one would think 432 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 2: he would respond these are his words, He was like, well, 433 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing. You would think that he would respond as himself, 434 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: like his real life self, and be like, oh my god, 435 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: this full fell for the bit. 436 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: This is hilarious. 437 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 2: But he said in other times he found himself responding 438 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: as the character, being like, damn fool, you don't even 439 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 2: know me, and just because you came at me like 440 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: this makes me want to dig my heels in worse 441 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: because I don't like how you can. I don't like 442 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 2: I won't sit right with me, I don't like how 443 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: you talking to me. And it makes you more embolden. 444 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: And he was like, and I know I made it up, 445 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: but that's what was happening to him. He felt more 446 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: emboldened to lean into the character and to just defend 447 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: it because how dare you talk to me that way? 448 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: So sometimes when we try to do the splash of 449 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 2: water on our uncle Martin, that's fully into the conspiracy series. 450 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: It drives them further in. So now you as niece 451 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: or nephew to Uncle Mark, who's kind of all the 452 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: way in in whatever ways you know the telltale marks 453 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 2: of a conspiracy. Usually it may have started as a 454 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: nugget of truth and then it spirals into this whole 455 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: other world, and that whole other world oftentimes is communicating 456 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: a fear that these people have. And then the hard 457 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: part about conspiracies is that some of them did happen, 458 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: like the Smedley Butler situation, which was like there was 459 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: a fascist plot to overthrow the American government, like that 460 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: did actually happen. You know, technically Trump's Rico case is 461 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: a conspiracy like, but it's a true one like these happened. 462 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 2: But one of the tell tale marks for a conspiracy 463 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: theorists that are like ridiculous is the amount of people 464 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: that would have to sign on. They're huge, like, and 465 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: the amount of people you'd have to pay to keep 466 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: silent for this to be viable is ridiculous. And here's 467 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: what I know. People talk. There's not enough money in 468 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: the world to keep people shutting up. So those are 469 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: two signs. There's a lack of a loss of control, 470 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: and conspiracy theories give us a sense of control that 471 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: there are strings being pulled that explain what I feel 472 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: is out of my reach. So there's an underlying fear 473 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: and a mistrust there and a desire to make sense 474 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: of a world that does not make sense to them. 475 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: So there's an insecurity here. But also that draws you 476 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: into a community of people, right, So when you're trying 477 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: to like break somebody out of a conspiracy theory, you're 478 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: actually asking them to leave their family and friends because 479 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: they're so far into this community and what they have 480 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: as their unifying mark is this belief that John F. 481 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior is still alive or whatever it is. Right, 482 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: they have this thing that unifies them all. It's just 483 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: like asking somebody to not gangbang. It's like, we grew 484 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: up together. This is my family. I can't just walk 485 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: away that point. Everything they see proves it. That's your 486 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: confirmation bias. That's happening right there, and they're in and 487 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: the more you fight them, the more that they get entrenched. 488 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: My practice usually is to just like, like you said, 489 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: like everybody else is just be like, all right, I'm 490 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: gonna go get another drink, all right, Uncle Mark. That's crazy. 491 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: Usually that's that's what we'd be like, Oh, that's crazy 492 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: because the conspiracy theorist person will talk your ear off 493 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: if you let them, and it's exhausting because it's a 494 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: never ending rabbit hole. I get it, and I think 495 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: it's important to remember that you at your Christmas dinner, 496 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 2: your Christmas Eve party, you not gonna change Uncle Mark's mind. 497 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: But I go back to the square one thing, the 498 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: like what are you really saying? And what they're oftentimes 499 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: really saying is they feel out of control and a 500 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: lack of trust. If the evidence is circumstantial. It's like, 501 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: I personally am not even engaging in all that because 502 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: I'll pull up a million examples of the fact that 503 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: we went to the moon. But that's because I'm a sheepull, right, 504 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: So facts don't really change the mind until they ready 505 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: to accept them. That's not what you're here to do. 506 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: And again, we're just at dinner. What I'm here to 507 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: do is to say is to suggest to uncle Mark, Hey, man, 508 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: I love you. You already have family. See weird that is? 509 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: I just cut right through it. Amy, you should come over, bro. 510 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: And then if they're into that, like I would suggest books, 511 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: Hey have you read and so on? And so I'll 512 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: have you read. And again, a lot of that stuff 513 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: can happen by just while he talking googling, just like okay, 514 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: how to debunked blah blah blah blah, just google it 515 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: and just be like, hey, have you read so and so? Yeah, 516 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: what's it about? I mean, it's about this thing. It's 517 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: just here are some dissenting voices. And then you tell me, 518 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 2: and then that's the other thing. I'll be like, you 519 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: tell me, like, here's some a I found some people 520 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: that disagree. They're from this this is Harvard law. You 521 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and just be like, oh whatever 522 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 2: and be like yeah, eye roll, But like, hey, have 523 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: you read this though? Like maybe I don't know, maybe 524 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: it'll give you a not even an opposite perspective, but 525 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: just like, hey, read this. Let me know what you think. Man, 526 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: Like what they're tripping and now you've now planted a 527 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: seed in something like you may have put a little 528 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: pinhole into their situation. Now, lastly, please understand I am 529 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 2: not an expert in diffusing all this stuff and this 530 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: is just a thirty minute podcast on Christmas. I just 531 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: want you to be able to enjoy your yams and 532 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: not fight. I don't want your blood pressure to shoot 533 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: up to the sky. So I'm trying to give you 534 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: these best practices to keep your blood rush it down 535 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: because Mark gonna be Mark. You're not gonna change his mind. 536 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: Maybe you could save your nephew, but you ain't gonna 537 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 2: change his mind, at least not today. Now, final words, 538 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: which I probably should have said in the beginning, Listen, 539 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: if you're having like us, like if this is causing 540 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: like severe trauma or like mental crisis issues, food, ignore 541 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: it all. Like you don't have to have conversations with 542 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: Uncle Mark like peace out. It's fine, Like leave, take 543 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: care of yourself. You don't have to be the moral 544 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: compass of your family. Now, if y'all was fighting over 545 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: sweet potato pie or pumpkin pie, that's a whole different story. 546 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: Hood politics, y'all. 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This thing was mixed, edited, mastered, 557 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,959 Speaker 2: and scored by the one and the only Matt Awsowski. 558 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: Y'all check out this fool's music. I mean it's incredible. 559 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 2: Executive produced by Sophie Lichterman for Cool Zone Media. Man, 560 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 2: and thank you for everybody who continue to tap in 561 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: with us. Make sure you leaving reviews and five star 562 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 2: ratings and sharing with the homies so we could get 563 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: this thing pushed up in the algorithm and listen. I 564 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: just want to remind you these people is not smarter 565 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 2: than you. If you understand city living, you understand politics, 566 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 2: We'll see you next week.