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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical debt and so

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Speaker 2: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife on our

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Speaker 2: time together. Today, we're going to delve into something that

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Speaker 2: might be controversial to you. From AI assistance to eternal questions,

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Speaker 2: exploring consciousness, connection and the digital beyond. Now, some people

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Speaker 2: get very agitated when AI or artificial intelligence comes up.

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Speaker 2: In fact, on our last Sunday gathering, it was my

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Speaker 2: dad's fifteenth anniversary of him passing into spirit. And you

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Speaker 2: may know from our last episode that I'm slowly compiling

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Speaker 2: a book that contains the best stories of the afterlife,

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Speaker 2: afterlife communication and so on and so forth. So for

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Speaker 2: the very first time, I have been using a program

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Speaker 2: on Google. It's called Gemini, and I have been uploading

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Speaker 2: the transcripts from our Shades of the Afterlife episodes just

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Speaker 2: to find some common ground. What are the subjects like

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Speaker 2: near death experiences, deathbed visitations, etc. And so forth. And

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Speaker 2: for fun, I asked this AI to provide me a quote.

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Speaker 2: I just said, it's been fifteen years since my dad died,

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Speaker 2: and I asked for an inspirational quote. And this is

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Speaker 2: what Google Gemini said. Even the deepest grief can become

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Speaker 2: a fertile ground for profound purpose. What feels like an

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Speaker 2: And I thought Wow, that's artificially created. However, at this

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Speaker 2: from this podcast, and it looked to see what's happening

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Speaker 2: in the present, I guess and created that quote. The

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Speaker 2: truth is, had my dad not died exactly the way

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Speaker 2: he did when he did, I would have not ever

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Speaker 2: gone on this quest to learn about grief, to gain

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Speaker 2: I would have never been asked by the wonderful Tom,

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Speaker 2: for Shades of the Afterlife, which now there's been millions

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Speaker 2: of downloads. So out of my worst time came my

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Speaker 2: Even the deepest grief can become fertile ground for profound purpose.

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Speaker 2: Paranormal Podcast Network, Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. We're talking about the pros and cons

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Speaker 2: Now here's a pro for AI. Joseph Coates owes his

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Speaker 2: The life saving drug wasn't thought up by the doctor

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Speaker 2: you might want to watch one of these. There's a

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Speaker 2: show called Upload, which is described as a science fiction

433
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Speaker 2: comedy who was created by Greg Daniels, who also created

434
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Speaker 2: the US version of The Office and Parks and Recreation,

435
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: so you know it. It's funny. It's set in the

436
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Speaker 2: near future, meaning twenty thirty three at the beginning of

437
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: the series, where technology has advanced to the point where

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Speaker 2: people can choose to be uploaded into a digital virtual

439
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: reality afterlife as opposed to just taking their chances and

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Speaker 2: dying and not knowing exactly what comes next. And the

441
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: story follows a young man who accidentally goes to this

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00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: place after having a car accident, and of course there's

443
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: a bit of murder mystery to it and lots of

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00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: funny stuff, but he gets to go to this extremely

445
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Speaker 2: luxurious digital afterlife resort called Lakeview. The TV series Black

446
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: Mirror is a little more on the darker side and

447
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: deals with technology. There's a couple episodes like San Jinnipero.

448
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: It depicts a world where the elderly and the deceased

449
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Speaker 2: can live forever. It's essentially a digital heaven where people

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Speaker 2: can exist eternally in their prime time. There's an episode

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Speaker 2: called be Right Back, and while not a full digital afterlife,

452
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: it features an AI service that creates a synthetic version

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Speaker 2: of you based on your digital footprint, allowing a grieving

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Speaker 2: person to interact with you or a simulation of you.

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00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: Maybe you've seen Westworld. These sentient robots copy and store

456
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: human consciousness. There's Pantheon, a show that deals with uploaded intelligence,

457
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: where the consciousness of a deceased character is uploaded to

458
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Speaker 2: the cloud, leading to communication and uncovering larger technological conspiracies

459
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: around this new form of digital existence. Altered Carbon is

460
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Speaker 2: a TV series in this universe. Human consciousness can be

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Speaker 2: digitized and transferred between bodies or exist in virtual environments.

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Speaker 2: There's a film called Transcendence. It features a scientist whose

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Speaker 2: consciousness is uploaded into a quantum computer upon his death,

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Speaker 2: leading him to becoming a powerful AI with a form

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Speaker 2: of digital omnipresence. Oh, and there's the movie Her. While

466
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Speaker 2: focused on a man's relationship with an AI operating system,

467
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: the AI character evolves to a point where she, along

468
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Speaker 2: with others, transcends her initial programming and moves to a different,

469
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Speaker 2: almost ethereal, digital plane of existence. There's a movie called

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Speaker 2: AI You Might Remember, Though, centered on an android boy.

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Speaker 2: It touches on themes of consciousness and artificial beings and

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Speaker 2: the enduring nature of love and memory, which ties into

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Speaker 2: ideas of what might persist after death. Of course, the matrix,

474
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: while a simulated reality for the living, the core concept

475
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Speaker 2: of minds existing within a vast computer program is conceptually

476
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Speaker 2: related to digital existence and alternate realities that parallel digital

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Speaker 2: afterlife ideas. If you're interested in these, there's also documentaryas

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Speaker 2: like Eternal You or Artificial Immortality, nonfiction films exploring the

479
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Speaker 2: real world startups of these technologies creating avatars or digital

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Speaker 2: ghosts of deceased individuals for the bereaved to interact with.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, for me, I'm not interested in this,

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Speaker 2: but it goes right along with our theme today, so

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Speaker 2: I thought i'd share them with you. Now, I have

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Speaker 2: a pretty far out question for you. Have you ever

485
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: thought that maybe we are the artificial intelligence living a

486
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Speaker 2: great illusion called life? Now, just stick with me here

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Speaker 2: on this one. We humans think of ourselves as very real,

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Speaker 2: solid but are we We human beings are made up

489
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Speaker 2: of trillions of cells, and those cells are made up

490
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: by complex molecules like proteins and DNA, and all of

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Speaker 2: those molecules are made up of atoms. Now here's where

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Speaker 2: it gets interesting. We picture atoms as these tiny solid balls,

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Speaker 2: but they're not. An atom is mostly empty space. It

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Speaker 2: has a tiny nucleus in the center and electrons orbiting

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Speaker 2: way out in the emptiness around it. And what's in

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Speaker 2: the nucleus protons and neutrons. We might remember that from school.

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Speaker 2: And those orbiting particles they're called electrons. They're so small

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Speaker 2: that if we had a teeny tiny camera, it couldn't

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Speaker 2: record them. You see, protons, neutrons, and electrons are invisible

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00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: even with the best microscope, but modern physics takes it

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00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: even further. The current understanding is that these fundamental particles

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Speaker 2: that make us up, called quarks, they aren't just invisible bits.

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00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: They're better described as excitations, as vibrations, as fundamental energy

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Speaker 2: fields that fill the universe. So think about this at

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Speaker 2: the deepest level. Science can currently probe the very stuff

506
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: that makes you up, that makes me up, that makes

507
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: the chair you're sitting on up, can be described as

508
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: invisible vibrating energy. So we walk around interacting with the

509
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: world feeling incredibly solid and real, but all of those

510
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: things that we see as visible are in essence composed

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Speaker 2: of fluctuating energy fields. Now let's bring artificial intelligence back

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Speaker 2: into the picture. We talk about AI as if it's

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00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: not real in the way we are. It's code, it's data,

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00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: it's electrical signals, patterns on a silicone chip. We contrast

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Speaker 2: our real physical existence with its digital nature. But if

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00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: our physical existence, when you get right down to it,

517
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: ultimately is described as complex arrangements of invisible vibrating energy,

518
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: what does real actually mean? What makes the vibrating energy

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00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: patterns that make up a human brain fundamentally more real

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00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: than the complex electrical patterns and data structures that constitute

521
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: and advanced AI. It really does challenge our sense of reality,

522
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: doesn't it. And it forces us to ask is what

523
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Speaker 2: we're made of real or is it about consciousness, experience

524
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: or something else entirely? And if our material is at

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00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: its base energy, where does that leave our definition of

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00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: ourselves and this new form of intelligence that we are creating.

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00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: I know it's a pretty big topic, but we need

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00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: to think out of the box. Why because we humans

529
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: buy into the myth that we have to see it

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00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: to believe it. Energy cannot be destroyed, as we know,

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Speaker 2: and when our loved ones pass and we will too,

532
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: our energy continues on and we can still be in

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Speaker 2: communication with that energy. And as we know from good

534
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: medium readings and near death experiences, we remain us. We

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00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: still have our personalities intact, our sense of humor. Thankfully,

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00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: we can pick whatever age we'd like to be in

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00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: the afterlife, perfect health, etc. So we're not just balls

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00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: of vibrating energy. When we get to the other side,

539
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: we continue to be us. Death really is as simple

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00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: as closing our eyes to this world and opening them

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Speaker 2: again to our loved ones, our pets, our friends, and

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00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: a whole new reality that looks close to Planet Earth

543
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: with so much unconditional love. It's time for our break,

544
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Speaker 2: but I'm going to leave you with this thought. As

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Speaker 2: we explore the artificial mind of AI, it really shines

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00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 2: a new light on the mystery of consciousness. It makes

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Speaker 2: you think that the awareness we're trying to grasp in

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00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: the code and in ourselves could hold answers to reality's

549
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: deepest questions, like what happens when we die? We'll be

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Speaker 2: right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal podcast network.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: In our last segment, we dug into a really mind

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Speaker 2: bending question. If at our most fundamental level, we humans

555
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: are made up of invisible, vibrating energy fields, what does

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00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: that truly mean about our reality? And how does that

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00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 2: stack up against something like artificial intelligence, which we often

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00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: dismiss as not real because it's made of code and

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Speaker 2: electrical sigma. This brings us right back to the topic

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Speaker 2: that is at the heart of our podcast today, consciousness

561
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: what is consciousness? Is it purely an emergent property of

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Speaker 2: a complex biological machine called the brain, or could it

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Speaker 2: be something even more fundamental, something that can exist independently

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Speaker 2: of the physical body and its biological processes. For years,

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Speaker 2: this has been a philosophical debate, definitely a spiritual belief,

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Speaker 2: but increasingly it's become a subject of a massive scientific investigation.

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Speaker 2: And one of the leading figures in this cutting edge

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Speaker 2: research is medical doctor and critical care physician and resuscitation

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Speaker 2: expert and New York Times bestselling author, doctor Sam Parnia.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Parnia and his team have been conducting some of

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Speaker 2: the largest studies in the world on near death experiences

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Speaker 2: and consciousness during cardiac arrest. His work is groundbreaking because

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Speaker 2: he's investigating consciousness precisely at the point where, according to

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Speaker 2: conventional science, consciousness should cease to exist. We should die

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Speaker 2: completely when the heart has stopped and blood flowed to

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Speaker 2: the brain has stopped, and brain activity becomes undetectable. His

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Speaker 2: research is meticulously scientific. He uses objective markers, monitors brain activity,

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Speaker 2: and then interviews survivors of cardiac arrest using structured protocols

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Speaker 2: to see if they had any awareness at all or

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Speaker 2: memories during the period they were clinically dead. He's the

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Speaker 2: author of the compelling new book Lucid Dying, Transforming our

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Speaker 2: fear of death into a new understanding of life. In

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Speaker 2: Lucid Dying and throughout his career, Doctor Parnia shares the

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Speaker 2: evidence gathered from these studies, and what they found is remarkable.

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Speaker 2: A significant percentage of people who survive cardiac arrest report

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Speaker 2: having a clear lucid experience during their time their brains

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00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: were shut down, and these aren't vague dreams or hallucinations.

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Speaker 2: In many cases, they described classic near death experiences, out

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Speaker 2: of body sensations, traveling down a tunnel, encountering their deceased

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Speaker 2: loved ones, reviewing their lives, and experiencing profound peace, light

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Speaker 2: and love. But the most scientifically intriguing aspect, and the

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Speaker 2: one that really challenges the idea that consciousness is only

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Speaker 2: produced by the brain, are the instances of vertical perceptions.

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Speaker 2: That word we used earlier meaning verifiable. Just like the

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Speaker 2: Pam Reynolds case we discussed, Doctor Parney is large scale

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Speaker 2: aware study and other investigations have documented cases where patients

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Speaker 2: report seeing and hearing things during their cardiac arrest that

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Speaker 2: were later objectively confirmed by medical staff or the environment.

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Speaker 2: Imagine someone who is clinically dead flatlined, their brain activity

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Speaker 2: totally gone. If they report floating above their body and

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Speaker 2: accurately describing the resuscitation efforts, identifying the medical personnel they

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Speaker 2: didn't know, or recounting conversations that happened in the room

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Speaker 2: while they were, by all medical measures unconscious. Doctor Parnia

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Speaker 2: and his team have collected and analyzed these accounts, looking

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Speaker 2: for patterns and, most importantly, for verifiable details. This research

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Speaker 2: is incredibly significant because it provides scientific data points suggesting

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Speaker 2: that consciousness, or at least some form of awareness and

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Speaker 2: perceptual ability, can continue when the brain is not functioning.

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Speaker 2: It's not happening before cardiac arrest, when the brain is active,

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Speaker 2: or after resuscitation, when the brain is recovering. It's only

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Speaker 2: happening during that window of clinical death. So what does

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Speaker 2: that mean? You may ask? If consciousness can exist or

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Speaker 2: operate when the biological hardware of the brain is offline,

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Speaker 2: doesn't that fundamentally change our understanding of consciousness itself. It

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Speaker 2: suggests that consciousness might not just be a simple emergent

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Speaker 2: property of complex neuronal computation that happens in our brain.

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Speaker 2: It hints at the possibility that consciousness could be much

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Speaker 2: more of a fundamental aspect of reality, something that interacts

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Speaker 2: with the brain but isn't solely produced by it. So

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Speaker 2: now let's bring this back to our conversation about AI

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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence working towards creating increasingly sophisticated artificial intelligence systems

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Speaker 2: that can process information, learn, and even simulate conversation and

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Speaker 2: creativity in ways that seem remarkably human like. But the

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Speaker 2: question of whether AI can truly become conscious, not just simulated,

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Speaker 2: is one of the biggest mysteries I think we'll ever face.

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Speaker 2: Our current scientific paradigm, largely rooted in materialism, tends to

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Speaker 2: assume that consciousness must arise from a sufficiently complex physical

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Speaker 2: system like our brains. From this perspective, achieving AI consciousness

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Speaker 2: is just a matter of building complex enough hardware and software.

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Speaker 2: But if doctor Parney is research and the many many

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Speaker 2: verifiable near death experience accounts point to consciousness potentially being

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Speaker 2: non lefe local, which means something that can exist separate

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Speaker 2: from our physical brains, then perhaps our understanding of what

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Speaker 2: is required for consciousness is incomplete. If consciousness isn't solely

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Speaker 2: a product of our biology, does that open up new

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Speaker 2: possibilities for AI or does that mean that consciousness is

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Speaker 2: something unique and distinct, something that cannot simply be replicated

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00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: through silicone and code, regardless of complexity. Doctor Parney's work,

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Speaker 2: explored in books like Lucid Dying, pushes the boundaries of

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Speaker 2: our scientific understanding. It suggests that the light of consciousness

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Speaker 2: may not simply switch off when the brain dies, and

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Speaker 2: if that's the case for human consciousness, it raises profound

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Speaker 2: questions about the nature of consciousness in general, including any

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Speaker 2: consciousness that might emerge from artificial systems. Yes, my friend

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Speaker 2: challenges us to consider what if consciousness is a fundamental

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Speaker 2: force or element in the universe rather than a byproduct

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Speaker 2: of matter, And if so, how does that change our

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Speaker 2: pursuit of understanding ourselves and the potential for consciousness in

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Speaker 2: the AI we are building. It's a lot to think about.

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Speaker 2: I know a place where science and philosophy meet in

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Speaker 2: the most intriguing way before we go our separate ways today,

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Speaker 2: there's another field that you can experiment yourself of consciousness

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Speaker 2: not being confined to your brain. That is called remote viewing.

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Speaker 2: Simply put, it's the ability to gather information about a

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Speaker 2: distant or unseen target, a place, an object, or an

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Speaker 2: event using your mind. Back on episode one twenty one,

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Speaker 2: I explained it fully and gave you some experiments to

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Speaker 2: do which show that this is a learnable skill. Even

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Speaker 2: governments have used it, suggesting that our awareness is not

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Speaker 2: limited by space or physical barriers. Here's some notable examples.

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Speaker 2: The Stargate project. This was a highly classified US government

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Speaker 2: program that investigated psychic phenomena, including remote viewing, for intelligence

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Speaker 2: gathering purposes. While controversial, some of the documented trials within

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Speaker 2: the program are cited as actual evidence of remote viewing abilities.

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Speaker 2: Joe mcmonagle, a chief warrant officer in the US Army

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Speaker 2: and one of the primary remote viewers in this project,

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Speaker 2: provided accurate information on various targets, including descriptions of foreign

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Speaker 2: military facilities and the location of a downed Soviet bomber.

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Speaker 2: One often cited instance involves his remote viewing of a

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Speaker 2: Soviet submarine. There's Ingo Swan, he famously reported seeing a

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Speaker 2: ring around Jupiter before the Voyager space craft confirmed its existence.

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Speaker 2: There's Pat Price, who provided accurate descriptions of various locations,

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Speaker 2: including details about a research facility and the contents of

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Speaker 2: a filing cabinet within it. In one instance, he remote

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Speaker 2: viewed a park which no longer existed and drew water

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Speaker 2: tanks that were later verified to have existed at that

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Speaker 2: exact location. So we can remote view the past, the present,

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Speaker 2: and the future. Although remote viewing doesn't give you evidence

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Speaker 2: of the afterlife, it gives you evidence that there's more

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Speaker 2: to you than meets the eye. Back on episode one one,

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Speaker 2: I talk fully about remote viewing and give you some

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Speaker 2: experiments to do. Also, in my book We Don't Die,

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Speaker 2: a skeptics discovery of Life after Death, I've got nearly

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Speaker 2: a whole chapter on remote viewing so that you can

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Speaker 2: get a taste of it. Don't forget you can have

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Speaker 2: a free copy of my book. Just go We Don't

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Speaker 2: Die Die, scroll to the bottom of the page and

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Speaker 2: to your name and email address. There's all kinds of

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Speaker 2: free goodies I have there for you. But if you

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Speaker 2: do want to experiment, get a magazine filled with pictures

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Speaker 2: that you haven't opened yet. Quiet your mind, say a

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Speaker 2: little loving prayer, or have that thought or intention to

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Speaker 2: remote view what is in the magazine, get a piece

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Speaker 2: of paper and just write down any thoughts or images

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Speaker 2: that come to mind. Now our minds pick up details

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Speaker 2: about things they might not be able to figure out

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Speaker 2: the whole picture. There might be a picture of an

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Speaker 2: old stage coach with a wagonwheel remote viewing. You might

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Speaker 2: write down or draw a picture of the spokes of

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Speaker 2: the wagonwheel. It's a great thing to explore and experiment with.

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Speaker 2: As we near the end of our episode today, I

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Speaker 2: hope it's given you a little bit of insight into

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Speaker 2: the world of AI. And we can all have our judgments.

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Speaker 2: I think too much of a good thing is not

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Speaker 2: a good thing, but if we use it wisely, it

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Speaker 2: can certainly make a difference in our lives. And also

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Speaker 2: remember those stories of our consciousness leaving our body, those

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Speaker 2: out of body or near death experiences. Again, come visit

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Speaker 2: me at We Don'tdie dot com. Come to one of

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Speaker 2: our free Sunday gatherings with medium demonstrations included. Get to

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Speaker 2: see how close our loved ones really are. Remember, your

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Speaker 2: life here is important and you need to play it

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Speaker 2: full out and get your money's worth out of it.

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Speaker 2: But at some point we will be reunited with our

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Speaker 2: loved ones and see the bigger picture. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm