1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Talking politics with me, Si Cup. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: We've got a great guest today. After the monologue, my 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: buddy Adam Kinsinger is here to talk about the biggest 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: stories of the week. But let's get into them. A 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: lot of news this week. I mean, at any other time, 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: one of these stories would be the news cycle and 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: like for a long time. But we're not living in 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: normal times. We're living in the craziest and stupidest of times. 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: So let's start with Christineome. I can't imagine anyone had 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: a worse week than Christy Nome, formerly DJ secretary. 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: Let's go through her week, okay, because. 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: Actually talking about her week makes me feel better about 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: my week, which was fine, wasn't great, but. 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't Christy Nome's week. Okay. 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: So first, first, she gets hauled into Congress to testify 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: on her absolutely disastrous leadership in Minnesota, where her DHS 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: oversaw the deaths the killing of two American citizens. During 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: this hearing, she is confronted on the staggering two hundred 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: million dollar plus that she spent on ads featuring herself 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: on a horse in full glam ads that she said 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: Trump approved. 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: He is saying he didn't. 23 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: Then Republican Senator Tom Tillis brings up that time she 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: killed her own dog, right, Remember she wrote about that 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: in her memoir Putting a Puppy Down. He brings us 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: up in an official congressional hearing. 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? And that's not even the worst of it, 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: you guys. 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: Wait, then a Democratic congresswoman brings up the very well known, 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: I mean, for years, well known rumors that she's been 31 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: sleeping with Corey Lewandowski, who's also fired. This congress woman 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: brings this up with Christy Nomes's husband sitting right behind her. 33 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: I mean, if she were capable of shame, that is 34 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: like a hat trick of indignities. 35 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: Okay, but there's more. 36 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: There was also this moment when Congresswoman Pamela Jaiapaul asks 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: Christy Nome about the Fourth Amendment. Take a listen, Secretary Nome, 38 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: do you know what the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution says. 39 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: Search and seizure processes? 40 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: What about it? Huh? What about it? 41 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: What about search? 42 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: Ecisure? Guarantees the right to a lawful such and seizure. 43 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: It protects individuals against unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. 44 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 4: I mean. 45 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: Okay, it takes a lot of effort to get that 46 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: question one hundred percent wrong, like to give the opposite 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: answer of the correct one, not even sort of right, 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: like well sort of right. 49 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: But you didn't get this fact. She got it like 50 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: totally unequivocally wrong. 51 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: It's it's impressive, it's impressive how ignorant she is. And 52 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: then and then, and then the coup de gras. She's fired, 53 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: and she has moved to a totally made up post 54 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: called Special Envoy for the Shield of Americas. 55 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: Okay, I just. 56 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: Listen. 57 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: No one, and I mean no one is mourning Christinome's 58 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 2: fate here. Even Republicans seem relieved to be rid of her, 59 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: from her constant cause playing and preening for cameras, to 60 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: her total incompetence, to her cartoonish villainy. She was an 61 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: absolute joke of a cabinet leader. I think she more 62 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: than anyone else. Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy, which 63 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: shows a future White house full of losers and ambissiles 64 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: because the country's gotten so dumbed down. 65 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so who are you? I'm the Secretary of Energy. 66 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: We want a contest. Got to be a cabinet member, 67 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm a Secretary of State. 68 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: I brought to you by CARLS Junior. 69 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Why do you keep saying that because they pay me 70 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: every time I do? 71 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: I mean every day, with every passing day, that movie 72 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: becomes more and more of a documentary. I don't know 73 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: if Christy Nome is smart enough to be thinking about 74 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: it this way, but I think I think about how 75 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: history will remember a person like Christinome, Like in fifty years, 76 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: Christy Nome and her dental ads, her dead puppy, her 77 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: fake eyelashes, her ignorance of the law, her grit and 78 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: self promotion, her incompetence, her alleged infidelity, and moral failures. 79 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what is left? 80 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: What's left that's redeeming about Christinome? Like, what will her 81 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: legacy be besides like total sellout, hack, morally bankrupt moron. 82 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't. 83 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: I don't usually like to like use invective, but like 84 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: I'm trying to find what what's the asterisk on her 85 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: political career that's like, oh, but she did do this 86 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: good thing. I can't, I can't find it. It's just 87 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: amazing to think about the reputational damage that these mega 88 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: suck ups are willing to endure for the potential pursuit 89 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: of power, but power that is limited, that is temporary, 90 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: that comes and goes, because Trump is super fickle. 91 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: It's not worth the kids. 92 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: It's not worth it because every thing Trump touches turns 93 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: to garbage eventually, eventually. 94 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: Okay, moving on. 95 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: I guess we're at war with Iran now, and I 96 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: have mixed feelings about this, as as do you. I'm 97 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: sure no one wants to be at war. No one 98 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: wants the prospect of American casualties, no one, and we 99 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: already have them. No one wants to be on the 100 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: receiving end of threats from another country and its terror proxies. 101 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: There's Trump's depthless hypocrisy here, the fact that for more 102 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: than a decade he's promised no more forever wars. Members 103 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: of his cabinet promise that a vote for Biden and 104 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: Kamala was a vote for World War three. You remember, 105 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: he promised America first isolationism, and now he's conducted more 106 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: airstrikes against other countries than any other modern US president. Now, 107 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: if I'm a Trump voter, I certainly plan on holding 108 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: him accountable for this in November. But also on the 109 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: other hand, coming you was terrible. Ayatola Kamani was an 110 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: awful despot. And I want peace and democracy and liberation 111 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: for the Iranian people. 112 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: I want I want to weaken. 113 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: Iran and it's proxy terror groups like Humas and Husbulah. 114 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: I want a non nuclear Iran. 115 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: Of course we should all want that, but it all 116 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: comes at a price. I have a substack piece up 117 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: now that you can go check out. It unpacks all 118 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: the complicated feelings about Iran. It's possible that two things 119 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: can be true at once, right, even if they seem 120 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: to conflict. So if you're confused about how to feel 121 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: about Iran, right like hate Trump, but you're looking at 122 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: the faces of Iranians around the world celebrating the toppling 123 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: of the Ayatola Like it's complicated, go check it out. 124 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: It kind of lays out all the complicated feelings. 125 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: But the question with Iran is what happens next, both 126 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: practically and politically. 127 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: It's a big question. I'm going to save that one 128 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: for Adam Kinsinger in a few moments. 129 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: But the other big story of the week's Texas primaries 130 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: and yikes, not a great night for Republicans in case 131 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: you missed it, James tall Rico handily defeated Jasmine Crockett 132 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: in the Democratic primary for Senate in Texas. Republicans were 133 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: hoping to face Crockett in the general, but they mucked 134 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: that up. Remember that interview with tall Rico that CBS 135 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: reportedly told Stephen Colbert to spike. Colbert instead ran it 136 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: on YouTube, and Colbert basically implied that CBS was acting 137 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: out of deference to Trump and his FCC and saying, Uh, 138 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: you shouldn't air this equal time, blah blah blah. Well, 139 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: that whole dust up ended up netting Colbert five million 140 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: views for that interview, and tall Rico raised two point 141 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: five million dollars in just twenty four hours. 142 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: After it aired. 143 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: Before the Colbert incident, tall Rico was trailing Crockett by 144 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: as many as eighteen points beat her on Tuesday by 145 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: about seven. Because in their bloodlust for lefty scalps, Trump 146 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: and Republicans keep making the same mistake. They keep targeting 147 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: and trying to censor Democrats that they think are an 148 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: affront to the President, and every time they do it, 149 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: they just end up elevating them, making them resistance heroes. 150 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: We saw it with Senator Mark Kelly. Trump had his 151 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: DOJ try to indict Mark Kelly and several other Democrats 152 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: for a video they made telling soldiers they don't have 153 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: to follow illegal orders. Now that's a fact. Everything they 154 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: said was just a fact. But Trump didn't like it, 155 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: so he tried prosecuting them, which is insane. 156 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: But they couldn't even get a grand jury to. 157 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: Indict them because they're bad at their jobs. And in 158 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: the process they made Mark Kelly a Democratic front runner 159 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty eight. They did the same thing with 160 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: Don Lemon, arresting him for journalism. That guy was like 161 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: desperate for attention and now he's got millions of new 162 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: followers and his positioning himself as like a martyr type 163 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: figure thanks to Trump's dumb DOJ moves. 164 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: What's the same with Tall Rico And. 165 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: Now, especially if Republicans nominate the scandal ridden Ken Paxton, 166 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: a Texas Democrat, could actually win the Senate for the 167 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: first time in three decades. Great job, Republicans. It's almost 168 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: like they're not good at this. The very people they're 169 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: trying to censor, whether it's Mark Kelly or Colbert or 170 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel, or Tall Rico are instead turning it around 171 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: on Trump, using it to boost their name, id, fundraise, 172 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: and improve their stations. It's almost like Trump and his 173 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: goons should focus on the things they promised their voters, 174 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 2: like lowering inflation and making housing and the cost of 175 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: living more affordable. 176 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: It's almost like everything they do. 177 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: Is an obvious from the economic pain of Trump's dumb tariffs, 178 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,599 Speaker 2: his corruption, his self dealing the political disaster that was 179 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: the Ice raids, and the ongoing Epstein files cover up 180 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: almost I've said this before. 181 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: Midterms are going to be a blood bath, you guys. 182 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: I think. 183 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: I think last week or the week earlier, I was 184 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: saying that, like three things are going to be top 185 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: of mind for voters in November, none of which benefit Republicans. Tariffs, Ice, 186 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: and Epstein. Well I'm adding a fourth Iran. The longer 187 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: this goes on, the worst it is for Trump and Republicans. Iran, Tariff's, 188 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: Ice and Epstein. My god, what an unmitigated mess Republicans 189 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: have made for themselves, and all of it, all of 190 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: these things they did to themselves. I can't think of 191 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: a worse combination of decisions that a party has made 192 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: in modern history. And as we're leading up to an election, 193 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: then the decisions Trump and this Republican party have made. 194 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 2: I mean, what else are we going to add the 195 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: add to the pile in the coming months? 196 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: God only knows. 197 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: Okay, after the break, I talked to my friend Adam Kinsinger. 198 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to talking politics as promised. 199 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: I'm joined by my friend Adam Kinsinger. Go check out 200 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: his sub stack at Adam Kinsinger. He's so good over there. Okay, 201 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: we have a lot to discuss. The first thing I 202 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 2: want your take on is Christy Nome. What a cautionary 203 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: tale it should be. 204 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: It should be. Listen here, let me tell you the 205 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: craziest thing about Christie. 206 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: Let's get it. 207 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 4: Like, I was elected with her in twenty ten, and 208 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 4: she came as like this moderate, like well spoken, not excitable, 209 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 4: like you know, next generation report publican and and she, 210 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 4: in fact, I remember it was interesting. So like the 211 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: first year she was doing a lot of national TV 212 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 4: and then she and her husband actually decided to quit 213 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 4: doing national TV because of all the comments coming in. 214 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: About her because she's obviously attractive. 215 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: And so she quit doing that. And you contrast that 216 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 4: to today like somewhere she made a deal with the devil, 217 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 4: and the devil being Corey Lewin Dwells. 218 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, what happened to her besides Cory Lewandowski. 219 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, but something happened and. 220 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: And she's you know what, So look, here's the deal. 221 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: It's like, look, this is the deal. You. 222 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: First off, if you embarrass Trump, not if you shoot 223 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: Americans in the face, if you ass Trump, or if 224 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 4: you're corrupt and don't give him a piece of the pie, 225 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 4: you're out. And uh, look, everybody that works for Trump 226 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 4: is going to be out at some point. 227 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: All you can do is buy yourself some time. That's 228 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: all you can hope for. 229 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 2: But also the reputational damage you have to do to. 230 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: Yourself, you have to do it. 231 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: You can't stay in a Trump position, You can't stay 232 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 2: inside MAGA without doing incredible reputational damage to yourself. 233 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: One and look at the first Trump administration, right, they 234 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 4: were They were normal in comparison to this one. And 235 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: nobody after the first Trump administration could get hired anywhere 236 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 4: besides like a news channel. And yeah, I think it's 237 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 4: going to be even worse for whoever works for him now, 238 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: like you may as well consider this as your last 239 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: real job, or you can go work for one of 240 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: those crazy conservative think tanks or or like Newsmas. 241 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's. 242 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: About it, right, Like where's Pam BONDI gonna get a 243 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: law job after this? 244 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: Oh? Lord god? I mean, maybe she'll get botox. I 245 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: don't know. 246 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 4: She's the botox expert and so nothing against botox, but 247 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 4: like they she she knows her way around that needle, 248 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 4: so maybe she should just start that. Maybe she should 249 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: start that as a as a second gig. I mean, 250 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 4: you got to think outside of the box. 251 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: You work YouTube, so good luck when you leave Trump's cabinet. 252 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: You do have to think outside of the box. 253 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: Trying to get everything you can now, like get all 254 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: the corrupt money you can now, yeah, because otherwise you're 255 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 4: just not gonna have any ability to make anymore. 256 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: Right. 257 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: What do you think of Mark Wayne Mullin in that post? 258 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 4: Look, I think here's another disappointing I'm gonna give you 259 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 4: all the disappointings today. Gat Mark Wayne Mallin after January sixth, 260 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 4: I remember him coming up to me and talking about 261 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 4: how he felt that sense of evil that happened on 262 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 4: January sixth, he was, you know, super into the police, 263 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: and he was bragging about the fact that he was 264 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: ready to fight on the house floor, and then he 265 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: went off the rails obviously realized that, like, if I'm 266 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: going to stay in politics, I got to go all 267 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: in on Trump. So here's my thoughts of Mark Wayne Mallin. 268 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 4: Honestly probably will be better than Christy Nome in terms 269 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: of at least we're not gonna necessarily shoot people in 270 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 4: the face, I hope anymore. Mark Wayne Mallin is not 271 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: a smart man, really is not. OK, he's not done, 272 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 4: but he's not very smart. He is going to do 273 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: everything he can to impress Donald Trump again. So do 274 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 4: I think it'll be slightly better for America? Sure, hopefully, 275 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: just because Christin. 276 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: Nom was so bad. 277 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: I think I think you're gonna see Mark Wayne mullen 278 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 4: in kind of the same situation. I mean, have you 279 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: seen him on TV in the last few months. He's 280 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: just he always gets caught in these lies, in this 281 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: dumb assy and. 282 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's survived. 283 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: You have to perform. 284 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. Here's the other interesting thing about DHS. 285 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 4: So my wife was worked in DHS under the first 286 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 4: Trump administration, and at that time, it was Chad Wolf 287 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: and like you know some of these other personalities, and 288 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 4: they are competing for time on Fox News. Like if 289 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 4: if like Homan or something gets on Fox News, Chad 290 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 4: Wolf was mad because he needs to get on there. 291 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: But then there's competitions. So that's what Mark. 292 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: Wayne Mullen is jumping into is like they're all competing 293 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 4: with each other for Fox News time. He's gonna compete 294 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: with Sean Duffy, Who's gonna And it's just like. 295 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: The biggest soap opera. 296 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 4: If this was a reality TV show, it would be 297 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 4: number one rated just oh maybe not because people would 298 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 4: be like, well, there's no way that's real, real. 299 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: Right it is? You know, Uh, okay, let's talk about it. 300 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: Ron. 301 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 2: I think it's pointless at this point to argue about 302 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: whether we should have intervened, because we did. Yeah, we're there, 303 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: so play this out practically first and then we'll get 304 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: to politically. But the administration has sent mixed messages about 305 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: why we're there, how long we'll be there with the 306 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: goal is what do you hope plays out here? 307 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 308 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 4: And I mean I think this is the big question, 309 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 4: is what is the goal? And clearly the administration doesn't 310 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 4: have one. The goal was let's watch some things blow up, 311 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: and uh, you know Donald Trump by coming after out 312 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: of Venezuela, where he feels like that was a victory, 313 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 4: although by the way, the same regime is in place. 314 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: They're just friends now. 315 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 4: Somehow I think he thought, probably we could kill the Ayatola, 316 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 4: blow some stuff up, and this thing would be over. 317 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: So the question is, you know what's going to happen. 318 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: I think the most likely result here is Donald Trump 319 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 4: gets tired or bored, simply declares victory and leaves, just 320 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 4: simply says, we, I mean, this is what we did 321 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: in Yemen. Keep in mind, yeah, we kind of forget 322 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 4: about Yemen. We were bombing the huties. We got kind 323 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 4: of tired of it. They kept shooting down our drones, 324 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 4: and he just declared victory and left. And so what 325 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: would be the best case scenario, I think is obviously 326 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 4: the Iranian people having their own version of regime change. 327 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 4: There's nothing against regime change from within, and you know 328 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: clearly the people of Iran want this, the IRGC, which 329 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 4: is basically the SS they're being degraded, So that would 330 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 4: be the best case scenario. Is there will be some instability, 331 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 4: but people rise up and take the country. I just 332 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: I'd feel far more comfortable if there were different people 333 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: leading this war, honestly, And I'd feel far more comfortable 334 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 4: if the administration would articulate some version of a goal, 335 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 4: even if the goal is just we want to destroy 336 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 4: as much as their ballistic missile capability as possible. Okay, 337 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 4: tell us a goal, but it changes every day. They 338 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 4: don't have one. 339 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: They don't have one, and that's like the scariest way 340 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: to go into a conflict. 341 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this going around. 342 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: There's this Chinese Canadian professor named Schweching Jung who's gone 343 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: viral for laying out reasons why he thinks the US 344 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 2: is going to lose this. 345 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: War to Iran. 346 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: Let me just tell you some of his reasons, because 347 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: I was like waiting all week to get your thoughts 348 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: on this. They include cost imbalance. He says, Iran will 349 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: deplete US munitions. He says Iran's been planning a long 350 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: war of attrition for about twenty years and will be 351 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: helped by its mountainous terrain. Iran will strike critical infrastructure 352 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: like water desalinization, plants and energy resources in the Gulf, 353 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: and then if those states can no longer trade with US, 354 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: it will eventually collapse our economy. And he says not 355 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: to underestimate Iran's proxies. There's a reason Israel has been 356 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: unable to eradicate Humas from just Gaza. 357 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: What do you make of all of that. 358 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 4: I think what he's outlined it is certainly a worst 359 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: case scenario. 360 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: And I think that's like what we feared before there. 361 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 4: Was actually any kinetic action against Iran last summer, right 362 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 4: there was always this understanding that if we go to 363 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 4: war with Iran, there's gonna be this explosion of violence 364 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 4: cross middles I think what we've shown, to be honest 365 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: with you is Iran is not quite as tough as 366 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 4: we thought they were, and. 367 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: They're a bit of a paper tiger. 368 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 4: A bit of a paper tiger. I mean, you look 369 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 4: at before October seventh in Israel. Since October seventh, Israel 370 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 4: is basically sure. They haven't destroyed Hamas, but they've almost 371 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 4: wiped out their capability. They've really taken HESBLA down about 372 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 4: ten notches. Nobody thought, by the way, that Israel could 373 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 4: even attack. 374 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 3: Iran more than once without being shot down. 375 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 4: It would have to be a sneak attack. Iran got 376 00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 4: air superiority over Iran this summer. Now we have air supremacy, 377 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: we're not even being challenged. So and the other thing 378 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 4: is a lot of our strikes are being against the 379 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 4: infrastructure to launch these drones, which are by basically the 380 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 4: size of sessmas by the way people think of drones 381 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 4: as little, these are big planes, and against their ballistic 382 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 4: missile launching capability. I think that's been degraded seriously enough. 383 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 4: And the interesting thing is, look, Ukraine has been defending 384 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 4: against Russia with these Shahed drones and it's learned a lot, 385 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 4: and they've learned. 386 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: About that cost imbalance. 387 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 4: So Ukraine can now take down a Shahed drone for 388 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 4: about as much as Russia is paying to make it. 389 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 4: And now they're gonna have, frankly, export that technology to 390 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 4: us because we haven't learned that you cannot take a 391 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 4: drone down with a Patriot missile. 392 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: You can. But that's where that cost imbalance is. 393 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 4: That's talking about it's way too expensive and that's where 394 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 4: you deplete munitions. 395 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 3: So no, I don't agree with the professor that we're 396 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: going to lose. 397 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 4: Where I do think we can lose is simply if 398 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 4: Iran is willing to outlast our will. Yeah, That's what 399 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 4: I'm concerned about, because Donald Trump gets bored very easily. 400 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 3: If you're going to start a war, yeah you got it. 401 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: You gotta see it through to the end. 402 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: And I think like Connolly's a race was uh or yeah, 403 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: Connolly's race was coming out to say, like, finish it. 404 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: If you're gonna get it and finish it, will it? 405 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: Will Iran be a political problem for Trump and Republicans 406 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: months from now. 407 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 3: Or you know, I think that remains to be seen. 408 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 4: If if we in this with kind of like no 409 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: clear I don't know, achievement of any kind yea, yeah, right. Besides, 410 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 4: you know they'll try to hold on to the iotol 411 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 4: was dead. Well, the iotol was going to die soon anyway. 412 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 4: But yeah, fine, if there's no then I think, yes, 413 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: it will be harmful to him. I think it's harmed. 414 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: It's popped the. 415 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 4: Bubble a little bit of Maga who, for some reasons 416 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 4: believe this dude was all about never engaging in a war. 417 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 4: You put that, you marry that to the Epstein stuff, 418 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 4: and it melts and through UASM. At least it doesn't 419 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 4: mean they're going to go vote Democratic, but it melts 420 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 4: their enthusiasm. 421 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: Now, if we come out of this with I don't know. 422 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 4: Some version of victory, maybe there is a regime change 423 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 4: whatever in Iran that's successful. 424 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 3: I don't think it'll hurt him. 425 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 4: It may help him, but I think we've seen in 426 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: history that wars, whether they go good, even if they 427 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 4: go good, don't necessarily help. Look at George hw Bush 428 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 4: and he had a ninety percent approval rating after Desert 429 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 4: Storm and lost reelection. Yes, but yeah, I don't think 430 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 4: Donald Trump cares, to be honest with you. I think 431 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 4: he cares a lot about public opinion because he's a narcissist, right, 432 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 4: But he is surrounded by people now see and you 433 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 4: know this that just tell him how awesome he is. 434 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 3: He's the naked king now he thinks he's doing great. 435 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 4: And so I do think it'll have an impact in 436 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 4: that way, in that you know, maga's gonna lose enthusiasm. 437 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And the last thing I want to ask 438 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: you about is is Texas conventional wisdom for decades has 439 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 2: been that Dems can't turn Texas blue but if it's 440 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: tall Rico and Paxton, do they have a shot at it? 441 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: I do think so, and I think they may have 442 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 4: a shot even if it's Cornin, although corn will be 443 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 4: a lot harder. 444 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 3: Cornin is. 445 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: You know, he's your kind of rubber stamp, typical Republican. 446 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 4: Not Maga tries to pretend to be Paxton's insane. 447 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: It's literally insane. 448 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: Insane. 449 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Democrats probably have as good as 450 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 4: a shot as they've ever had. And keep in mind 451 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 4: eighteen I don't remember if he was running for governor 452 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 4: or Senate, but Beto came within like two points of winning. 453 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 3: Taxes and eighteen was a similar. 454 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 4: Year to what twenty six will be, which is like 455 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 4: midterm on Trump. Yes, I would not right off Texas. Now, 456 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 4: there were some I had a friend running for Congress 457 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: Texas nine. His name was Terry Wurtz, kind of a 458 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 4: moderate Democrat, an astronaut. He lost the primary, so I 459 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 4: think that's out of reach. Generally, Democrats are much better 460 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 4: than Republicans that kind of electing electable people in their districts. Yeah, 461 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 4: but unfortunately they still I think sometimes and yeah, they 462 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: over And that's my message to Democrats all the time 463 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: is do you really think democracy is a threat. If 464 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 4: you do, then we have this massive pro democracy alliance 465 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: that can be fun, and we have to think things 466 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 4: through logically, like who can win these races? Yes, if 467 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 4: you're just going with the purest candidate every time, you're 468 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 4: no different than the Tea Party on the left. 469 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: That's right. 470 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 3: And you don't really believe democracy's at stake? No, And 471 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: I think you know. 472 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: The voice of Mitch McConnell whispering candidate selection, candidate selection, right, 473 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: Like that was a lesson for Republicans. Sometimes Democrats need 474 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: that lesson too. What do you make of Dan Crenshaw 475 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 2: losing his primary? 476 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 4: Well, I'm so mixed on this because personally, it's amazing, 477 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 4: right because this is a no. I mean, it's like, 478 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 4: I know Dan, Dan knows better. He knows better than 479 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 4: the MAGA stuff. But Dan is also like one of 480 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 4: the most arrogant people when you see him talk, Like. 481 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: If you ask a question, he's always like, how dare 482 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 3: you ask me? 483 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 4: I'm so mild and you do that to me, Like 484 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 4: I remember one time, I forget what it was, but 485 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 4: I was talking him about something and he's just kind 486 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 4: of like a like you know, and I'm like, dude, like, listen, man, 487 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 4: I've been here longer than you whatever. So now he's out, 488 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 4: like but you know, I tell you what, though, he's 489 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: going to be replaced by somebody crazier. And here's the 490 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 4: other reason I'm glad. I see, I want to take 491 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 4: the mask off and tell the American and our old 492 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 4: Republican friends. Finally, guys, the old party is freaking dead. 493 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, No, it's done. I'm sorry you think Ronald 494 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 4: Reagan's like gonna come out and murder. 495 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: No, it's done. This is the part. Ken Paxton is 496 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: the Maga Party now. 497 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 4: Yea. Dan Crenshaw was not good riddance, see, although I 498 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 4: live in Dan's district now, so I'm gonna. 499 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 2: Yeah great Gray Well also just like it went because 500 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: we're so used to in the Trump era seeing bad 501 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: people rewarded for bad decisions and being bad actors and 502 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 2: selling out and saying things you know, they don't believe, 503 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 2: whether it's on TV or in politics. 504 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: So it's always nice, just just briefly, just briefly, to 505 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: see when that's like not rewarded. 506 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 4: An see, you cannot you cannot walk a line anymore. 507 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: I mean, these people that try to say, like, in 508 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 4: one audience, I'm really yeah, hey guys, very stro winky winky, 509 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 4: and then in the other audience be all maga. 510 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 3: You can't do it anymore, big aside, Like you're either 511 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 3: with the devil or you're with God. You can't be 512 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: with God, devil, devil, god whatever. Now you have to 513 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 3: pick a side. That's the same in maga. 514 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 4: You either I want to drop down and worship Donald 515 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 4: Trump or you want to fight him with us. That's 516 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 4: the There is no in between anymore. 517 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: I totally agree. I totally agree. It's why you know 518 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't be in the middle either. 519 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: You know, after twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, I was going 520 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 2: to be way over here, and I knew it because 521 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: I just want no part of that. Okay, we like 522 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 2: to end with an exit poll. It's three questions of 523 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: varying degrees of seriousness. The first is what's your favorite 524 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: movie about politics? Uh? 525 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: Okay, this it is. I'm gonna I'm gonna argue it 526 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 3: is about politics. Red Dawn. 527 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: Oh sure it was. 528 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's kind of political. My favorite movie ever. 529 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 4: And because when I was in a kid I'd watch it. 530 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 4: I've watched probably a hundred times, and I would be 531 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 4: in school and pretend like the you know, when I 532 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 4: was bored, I would pretend like the Russians were attacking, yes, 533 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 4: and like you know, the army came by, and like, 534 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 4: we need two guys to defend the school, and of 535 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 4: course they pick me. 536 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: Yep, I have. I am sixteen. I'm wasting Russians that 537 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: are trying to attack school. And that's politics, right, because 538 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: war is politics by other means. 539 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that movie was very important to people our 540 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: age in our childhood. 541 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: We just watched the shit out of that movie. 542 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 4: Oh, such a good movie, such a good The remake 543 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 4: not as much, but this one awesome. 544 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: I feel like Red Dawn and War Games were like. 545 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: Big movies about adults watched. 546 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course Top Gun, but you know, but we. 547 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: Beat that horse to death. Okay, who's someone on the 548 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: other side of the aisle that you admire? 549 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 3: Well, now, is the other side republican? 550 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: Such a good question? 551 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so I'll still assume the other side 552 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: is democratic. Yeah, I mean there's a lot I respect, honestly, Yeah, 553 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say Jamie Raskin and Zoe Lofgren. Actually, so 554 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 4: they were both very smart on the law side of stuff. 555 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 4: When we're working on the January sixth side of things, 556 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 4: Zoe is very understated. She knew you know, she knew 557 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 4: pol She was the connection to Pelosi for the committee, 558 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: and they would think through the lost stuff. Jamie Raskin brilliant. 559 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 4: He'll tell you he's brilliant, right, And yeah, he can 560 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 4: annoy you a lot, but I have a lot of 561 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 4: respect for him, and he's genuinely a good dude. There's 562 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 4: no arrogance in him. Yeah, and I just hate I 563 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 4: hate politicians. 564 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 3: I especially hate arrogant ones. 565 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: He took I think most Americans do. Okay, Finally, how 566 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: do we save our democracy? 567 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: Okay, here's a big deal. Yep. 568 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 4: Okay, everybody take that burden on your shoulder that you're 569 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 4: carrying and just drop it tank, Okay, because the way 570 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 4: we save our democracy is we can't give up. 571 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: And all we have to be able to do. Really, 572 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 3: Tweets are great, letters are great, all that stuff's great. 573 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 4: What you have to do is vote yes, and you 574 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 4: have to convince your friends to vote. That's the only 575 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 4: real power we have. Yeah, and unfortunately we know too 576 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 4: many people that are giving up because they're exhausted. So 577 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 4: if you feeling exhausted, if you're feeling down, if you 578 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 4: know you want to proverbially jump off a bridge or 579 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 4: really drop that burden because you know you're not going 580 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 4: to save it alone. 581 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: That's right. 582 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 3: But we need you as part of the team. That's 583 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 3: what we're going to say. 584 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: That such good advice. 585 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: I know for your audience in mine as well, because 586 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: we have a similar audience, they get really down on 587 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: themselves because they feel like I'm not changing enough. I'm 588 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: not I'm not changing anything, and you're right. The only 589 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: way to change win elections. Start winning elections again. 590 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: That is it. 591 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 4: I agree, And let me ask your audience, by the way, 592 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 4: just you guys put in the comments and stuff, should 593 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 4: we do this together more? 594 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I say, like, I think we're we have 595 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: pretty good like back and forth. We're friends a long time. 596 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 2: I think I think there's something here. 597 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: Too, And I'm going to read the comments to see 598 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 3: what people say. 599 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: Adam Kinsinger, thanks for joining us. We love you, and 600 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: again go to Adam Substack. It's great at Adam Kinsinger, 601 00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: Thanks Bud, Thanks Off. 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