WEBVTT - UPDATE:  Why NO Answers in the Martha Nolan Investigation, 5 Months After Her Unexplained Death on a Montauk Yacht

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, January sixth. We have

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<v Speaker 1>an update on the murder mystery in Montak. The update is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we still really don't know if it's a murder or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Rose will be calling it up all right, right, it

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<v Speaker 1>goes with a literation, right good headline murder mystery in Montak.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about a death that took place last August.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we know much more now about Martha Nolan's death

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<v Speaker 1>than we did last August?

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<v Speaker 2>The short answer is no, And when I follow up

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<v Speaker 2>with this next bit of information, it actually is shocking

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<v Speaker 2>even as I say it. She was found just after

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<v Speaker 2>midnight on August fifth. August fifth is the last official

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<v Speaker 2>update we've gotten from police. That is when they announced

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of that day that the autopsy did

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<v Speaker 2>not show any evidence or at least their initial findings

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<v Speaker 2>did not sho show any evidence of violence, and that

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<v Speaker 2>her final cause of death is pending further examination. That

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<v Speaker 2>is what they said. The review of the body did

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<v Speaker 2>not show evidence of violence and her final cause of

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<v Speaker 2>death is pending further examination. So after that, there has

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<v Speaker 2>been no official information coming from the police department.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's let's not let's be clear why this was

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<v Speaker 1>such a story, certainly in this area, but also a

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<v Speaker 1>national story. This is a young woman, thirty three, Martha Nolan,

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<v Speaker 1>who ran in certain circles in Montak. She had a

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<v Speaker 1>high end what kind of line do you call it?

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<v Speaker 2>Swimwear is like a resort weear. She had swimwear, resort wear, sunglasses.

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<v Speaker 2>It was called East by East.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about Montalk is toidy and toyity as

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<v Speaker 1>you can get right. It's a nice area out the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the Hampens. This thirty three year old woman

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<v Speaker 1>just doesn't drop dead, generally speaking. So she some weird

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances about who she's with and all this. Fine, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to rehash some of that, but robes what we're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>They told us August fifth, during that update they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gave themselves some time, you know what, We got

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<v Speaker 1>a way for the official autopsy toxicology to come back

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<v Speaker 1>should be three months. How many has it been?

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<v Speaker 3>Five?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Five months and one day?

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<v Speaker 1>And when what update did they give us about when

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming zero okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing nata.

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<v Speaker 1>So the mystery has become more of a mystery, the

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<v Speaker 1>mystery robes. For me at least, it start to feel

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<v Speaker 1>like something else is going on when a police department

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<v Speaker 1>won't say a word and all, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say they're burying No, but this is a high profile

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<v Speaker 1>case of a woman who just does the answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody needs answers, yes, and her photo you remember, in

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<v Speaker 2>those first few days and weeks were everywhere from and

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<v Speaker 2>internationally speaking, because she is from Ireland, so her family

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<v Speaker 2>is there. There was obviously a lot of interest here

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<v Speaker 2>in New York and in the United States, but also

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<v Speaker 2>across the pond, and so there has been a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>amount of media pressure on the police department to give

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<v Speaker 2>some answers. In fact, so much so that Martha Nolan's

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<v Speaker 2>own family has conducted their own autopsy. They have their

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<v Speaker 2>own attorneys, they have a private investigator looking into what

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<v Speaker 2>may have happened. Can you imagine being her mother, her father,

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<v Speaker 2>her brother, her boyfriend, her sister. They all spoke at

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<v Speaker 2>her funeral, and they don't know how or why Martha died.

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<v Speaker 2>And they don't know who to be angry at or

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<v Speaker 2>with who to even blame or point the finger at,

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<v Speaker 2>because we don't even know if police are considering any

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<v Speaker 2>suspects at this point, tell us officially, we do not

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<v Speaker 2>know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't ever heard them say suspicious death. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>heard anything. And so Robes, now, let's go back to

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<v Speaker 1>that night August, the night of August fifth.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the night of August fourth, going into August fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>We just happened to be in Montalk at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We were taking some time with the kids. We were

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<v Speaker 1>there hanging out. Of course, we get up and this

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<v Speaker 1>news is everywhere that day. Robes. The first thing was

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<v Speaker 1>the concern of wait a minute, is there a killer

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<v Speaker 1>on the loose. They didn't. They never said they had

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<v Speaker 1>a suspect. But now Robes go into what we now

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<v Speaker 1>know about what her evening was. And this is where

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<v Speaker 1>it just gets weirder and weirder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because we actually got a very specific account from

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<v Speaker 2>the attorney representing the man who was with Martha Nolan.

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<v Speaker 2>We heard when we were in Montalk and in the

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<v Speaker 2>weeks following all of these rumors and whispers about the

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<v Speaker 2>boat she was on, the man she was with, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a naked man running up and down the dock.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these rumors and talk and speculation, But when

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<v Speaker 2>his attorney actually sat down and spoke with a media outlet,

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<v Speaker 2>he named him sixty years rolled Christopher Dernan. He was

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<v Speaker 2>on the boat with her that night, and truly he

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<v Speaker 2>is the only one who really knows, or is the

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<v Speaker 2>only one who could possibly know, what happened to her.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when we heard from his attorney, he kind

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<v Speaker 2>of set the timeline about what happened. He said that

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<v Speaker 2>they met for a business meeting. He was her investor,

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<v Speaker 2>one of her big investors in her company. They were

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<v Speaker 2>looking to expand they needed some money, and he said

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<v Speaker 2>his client said, hey, yeah, let's meet and have a

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<v Speaker 2>business meeting. It was supposed to be at four pm.

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<v Speaker 2>It got pushed back to seven thirty pm. They started

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<v Speaker 2>out on one of his boats and took a spin around.

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<v Speaker 2>He said they were talking business, but they were enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>themselves as well, and some people who recalled seeing them

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<v Speaker 2>said they had some champagne and they seemed to just

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<v Speaker 2>be having some fun out on the boat. They came

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<v Speaker 2>back and switched over to his second boat, the Ripple,

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<v Speaker 2>around nine to thirty pm, And this is what the

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<v Speaker 2>attorney said happened. About one hour or an hour and

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<v Speaker 2>a half later, between ten thirty or eleven, he said

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<v Speaker 2>his client looked at Martha and she just suddenly went limp.

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<v Speaker 2>Those were his words, And he said that his client

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<v Speaker 2>thought Martha was having a heart attack, that he tried

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<v Speaker 2>to perform CPR, but that quote, she was gone almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>She was non responsive end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's possible, unlikely, but possible. This could be

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<v Speaker 1>one of those instances robes. Okay, fine, if I accept

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<v Speaker 1>all that, take me to the next part of this story.

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<v Speaker 1>How did he get from seeing her go limp gone

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<v Speaker 1>to him running down the dock naked, throwing items trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get other people's attention.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>That is a big question mark, isn't it? And so

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<v Speaker 2>here are the two issues with that. According to the

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<v Speaker 2>attorney's timeline, there was an hour that we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, because if she went between ten thirty and eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't until midnight that he was seen running up

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<v Speaker 2>and down the dock, And it wasn't until two people

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<v Speaker 2>who were in a neighboring boat came over. They saw

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<v Speaker 2>him running naked, and they said they performed CPR on her,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were the ones who called nine one one,

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<v Speaker 2>not mister Durnant. Mister Durnan. In terms of him being naked,

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<v Speaker 2>his attorney says that he had been soaked with Martha's

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<v Speaker 2>vomit and that's why he stripped off his clothes before

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<v Speaker 2>running from the boat, because they had been soaked with

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<v Speaker 2>Martha's vomit.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you buying that?

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm okay, Yes. What I'm going to say is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take you at your word. But now

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<v Speaker 1>I need to piece this together. So tell me. How

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<v Speaker 1>do I understand? So she went limp and died and

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<v Speaker 1>was gone, and then she vomited unclear, So she if

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<v Speaker 1>she vomited ahead of time, you knew that something was

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and she was ill, So that wasn't just a

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<v Speaker 1>falling limp situation. I do not want to pretend that

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<v Speaker 1>I would know how I would react in an emergency

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<v Speaker 1>situation if somebody right in front of you is having

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<v Speaker 1>a medical emergency. I just suspect I wouldn't behave in

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<v Speaker 1>that manner. The first and foremost, get her help. Nine

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<v Speaker 1>to one one. I got a problem. I'm screaming, anybody

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<v Speaker 1>please help me. I don't get what his story. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand it.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make a good way to put it a

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<v Speaker 1>lot versus any.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of holes in the story, and

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<v Speaker 2>we can only go by the only thing we can

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<v Speaker 2>go by is what his attorney told New York magazine,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is it. And so once that article was

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<v Speaker 2>put out, I think a lot of people were even

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<v Speaker 2>more confused. And here is this is just my two cents.

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<v Speaker 2>We were told, and we know from experience that it

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<v Speaker 2>does take a couple months for toxicology reports to come back,

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<v Speaker 2>for an autopsy to come back, especially in a suspicious

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<v Speaker 2>or potentially suspicious death. When you have a thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>year old who's otherwise healthy who drops dead, it's suspicious, correct,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just have to figure out what may be

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<v Speaker 2>the cause. The fact that more than five months have

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<v Speaker 2>gone by now and we don't even know cause of death.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't heard any word about the autopsy or toxicology reports.

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<v Speaker 2>If they came back conclusive with something, you would think

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<v Speaker 2>we would have been told that, and it would put

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<v Speaker 2>the story to rest, It would put the speculation to rest.

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<v Speaker 3>It would give some peace to.

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<v Speaker 2>The family to say, hey, there were drugs in our system,

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<v Speaker 2>there was something lethal in her system, there was something

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<v Speaker 2>to explain what happened. It would seem to me that

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<v Speaker 2>by not having any information, they're still looking to put

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<v Speaker 2>something together to figure out what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So are we in agreement that because they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed whether or not we have toxicology results? Have they?

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<v Speaker 1>So the one they told us we were waiting three

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<v Speaker 1>months on, we're still waiting on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>And we know that the family had their own actual

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<v Speaker 2>toxicology and autopsy done, and there are reports, these are

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<v Speaker 2>reports that they said there there was nothing in her

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<v Speaker 2>system that would have killed her. There might have been

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<v Speaker 2>trace amounts of cocaine that could have been left over

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<v Speaker 2>from a couple of days, but nothing that would have

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<v Speaker 2>suggested it was a lethal dose, a fatal amount. So

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<v Speaker 2>anything that their findings showed did not answer the question

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<v Speaker 2>as to.

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<v Speaker 3>How she was violence find violence, no violence?

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<v Speaker 1>How did this woman die? How does she just drop dead?

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<v Speaker 1>And every one of these I find a way. I

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<v Speaker 1>get this Brian Walls trial, but sudden unexplained death was

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<v Speaker 1>his defense in that case. Is it possible?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what it's possible?

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<v Speaker 2>But then I just have a hard time with the

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<v Speaker 2>naked man, the hour gap, the vomit, the vomit, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't call nine one one.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it could have been that something else happened, he

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<v Speaker 2>got scared, he was afraid to call nine one. There

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<v Speaker 2>are plenty of plausible explanations that didn't mean or don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean he did anything to her. Yes, yes, yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>what the story is right now, with the information we

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<v Speaker 2>have right now, it really doesn't add up.

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<v Speaker 1>I just knew we'd have answers before now on such

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<v Speaker 1>a high profile case, I keep saying to you, the

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<v Speaker 1>longer it goes, the more suspicious I get, not just

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<v Speaker 1>of the circumstances, but of the community and what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on there to where it seems like somebody being protected,

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<v Speaker 1>is something else happening. I'm sorry to say that out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you're not giving any information, you leave us

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<v Speaker 1>all to fill in the blanks. Perfectly good press releases

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<v Speaker 1>to say we have no further findings, nothing to say

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<v Speaker 1>at this time. We are still waiting on toxicology.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, just an update of some kind.

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<v Speaker 2>The other big question mark, and really, attorneys tell their

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<v Speaker 2>clients not to but an attorney who speaks for his

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<v Speaker 2>client also can be I would imagine equally problematic. And

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<v Speaker 2>he got caught in a little didn't know what to

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<v Speaker 2>say when the reporter he was speaking to asked him

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<v Speaker 2>and followed up when the attorney told the reporter that

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<v Speaker 2>his client, mister Drnan and Martha actually dated. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that he had met her family in Ireland. The family

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<v Speaker 2>denies ever meeting this man, so that's concerning that. His

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<v Speaker 2>attorney told a reporter, Yeah, he's even met her family

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<v Speaker 2>in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 3>When the reporter started pushing.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, they said that he walked back his comments and

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<v Speaker 2>then basically just left it with oh, well, mister Dernan

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<v Speaker 2>loved her as a friend. They kept pushing did he

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<v Speaker 2>have a romantic relationship with Martha? Did he have a

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<v Speaker 2>sexual relationship with Martha? And that's when he said he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't interested in sharing anything like that. Whether it's an

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<v Speaker 2>absolute no or an absolute yes, I don't think he

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<v Speaker 2>thinks it's fair to her memory. Now, Martha wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>committed relationship us with the boyfriend at the time who

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<v Speaker 2>she was texting in the like an hour before she

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<v Speaker 2>was found dead. Her friends were actually teasing her because

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't answering this group text. She was texting her boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, Lol, I'm still here. I just had my

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<v Speaker 2>phone turned off. That was her last text.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you will see our point now that the attorney

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<v Speaker 1>added to the mystery, but added to the frustration of

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<v Speaker 1>this story. That is an awful answer. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the guy at all, maybe wonderful and had a bad moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but to say that, well, it's not an absolute yes

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<v Speaker 1>or an absolute no to a direct question about whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not there was a sexual, a physical, a romantic

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<v Speaker 1>relationship of any kind. Rose, What is that answer? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it just I don't know and it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>He was suggesting there was, but he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>say it because Martha wasn't a committed relationship exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, folks, well stay here. The story continues,

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<v Speaker 1>but when we come back, we'll hear or we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about Martha's family, her side, what they're going through,

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<v Speaker 1>what they have said, and what they are doing now

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<v Speaker 1>to try to get answered.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ,

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<v Speaker 2>where we are going through trying to update some of

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<v Speaker 2>the mysteries of last year. We're now in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is remarkable to us that we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>answers to several pressing mysterious crime stories I should say

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<v Speaker 2>potential crime stories when it comes to Martha Nolan, because

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know that a crime has been committed, but

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<v Speaker 2>certainly it has been suggested that that is among the

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<v Speaker 2>possibilities of how a thirty three year old healthy woman

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<v Speaker 2>who was fine one moment and dead the next, how

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<v Speaker 2>did that happen? And police have had this case for

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<v Speaker 2>five months and one day as of this recording, and

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<v Speaker 2>still we know nothing more. Our only fill in the

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<v Speaker 2>blanks with information is some of the information we got

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<v Speaker 2>from her friends, from her boyfriend, from the man's attorney

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<v Speaker 2>who she was on a boat with, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the folks who were at the marina at the yacht

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<v Speaker 2>club that evening.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's none of it adds up and none of

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<v Speaker 3>it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what it would have helped? Probably how much

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<v Speaker 1>is it hurting the investigation that her family isn't in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, Because we have seen families demand answers.

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<v Speaker 1>They will get in front of any camera and scream

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<v Speaker 1>and yell and hoot and holler and demand that the

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<v Speaker 1>police say something. They're at a distance, they're not answering,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't see, they're not the family isn't in the

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<v Speaker 1>police department's face every day kind of a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, to your point, they don't even really know

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<v Speaker 2>American law. And that is why an attorney, he's said

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<v Speaker 2>he's representing them, and he's doing it pro bono because

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<v Speaker 2>literally almost to guide them through the US I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to say justice system, but at least the process

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<v Speaker 2>by which police conduct their investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's been.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to guide them. But when when mister Durnan's attorneys spoke,

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<v Speaker 2>their attorney then also spoke afterwards, because they were then

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<v Speaker 2>all being asked to comment on Christopher Durnin's attorney's comments.

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<v Speaker 2>So after that article New York, the New York criminal

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<v Speaker 2>defense attorney who's representing the Nolan family said this about

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<v Speaker 2>mister Durnan. Obviously he is a primary person that's being

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<v Speaker 2>looked at because that's just common sense. He said, no

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<v Speaker 2>one is positive right now about this one hour gap

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<v Speaker 2>in his account. So he did note that he also said,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as we know, he was the only one there.

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<v Speaker 2>So primarily the police are trying to look at what

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<v Speaker 2>he was doing. And yes, five months now, this is

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<v Speaker 2>another interesting thing. He followed up with this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>do think maybe this is just to make sure you

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<v Speaker 2>don't piss off the investigators or piss off the police department.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I will tell you, we are very pleased

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<v Speaker 2>with the Suffolk County District Attorney's office.

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<v Speaker 3>They are very focused on this.

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<v Speaker 2>So that gave me a little hope that maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>know more about where this investigation is headed than we know.

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<v Speaker 2>I would hope that they would know more than we know,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not necessarily the way police departments or DA

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<v Speaker 2>departments work. They don't necessarily fill in the victim's family.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, that's an complaint that comes up all the

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<v Speaker 2>time that they're left out, they don't know, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>left in the dark.

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<v Speaker 3>And like you said, on the other side of the ocean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Five months to think, I don't think they're sitting around

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<v Speaker 1>right and waiting for the toxicology before. There's other investigative

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<v Speaker 1>things that have gone on, but this is a five

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<v Speaker 1>month investigation now and there's one witness.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's it, which is just I just got chills

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about that, because what do you do?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you prove something that.

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<v Speaker 2>Might be not provable or not knowable if the person

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<v Speaker 2>who does know doesn't want to speak, or if the

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<v Speaker 2>person who could know doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we don't know what that's true. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal, No, he is not.

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<v Speaker 3>He might be justice baffled.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that is true, but it's just one of those

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<v Speaker 1>cases robes that until we get answers. Yeah, the theories

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<v Speaker 1>are going to run.

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<v Speaker 3>Wild, absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the thing I wanted to leave everyone

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<v Speaker 2>one with because we talk about these stories and they

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<v Speaker 2>are fascinating and we do want answers, but it's always

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<v Speaker 2>good to just remember that there is a family grieving.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Nolan's family attorney said this, and this really

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<v Speaker 2>hit me. My heart breaks from that for them, they're

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<v Speaker 2>from another country. This is the Christmas time of year,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the time when Martha would be going going

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<v Speaker 2>home and celebrating in Ireland with all of her family,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, they're devastated about this, and not having

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<v Speaker 2>any answers is very, very frustrating and upsetting. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just that hit me because we're baffled, but we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the emotional connection. These folks are devastated and this

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<v Speaker 2>was their first Christmas without Martha. This was the time

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<v Speaker 2>of year she came home and she was with her

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<v Speaker 2>family in Ireland and it didn't happen this year, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's never going to happen again, and they deserve answers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, folks. Yesterday we were talking about the other big

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<v Speaker 1>story from last year that's still a mystery, David Singer,

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<v Speaker 1>David body found in the trunk of his car. Still

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<v Speaker 1>waiting on answers from that. This was one rogue we've

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<v Speaker 1>been following. This is one every single morning we check

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<v Speaker 1>in about Martha Nolan. We think about this woman every

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<v Speaker 1>day and we google her every single day, waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>some answers. Anna Kepner, we will be doing a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>an episode giving you the very latest there. Young lady

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<v Speaker 1>died on the Carnival cruise and then Travis Turner still missing,

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<v Speaker 1>coach disappeared, undefeated team was playing football in Virginia right

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<v Speaker 1>still has not been heard from after he's become a

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<v Speaker 1>wanted man on some child born charges. This is These

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<v Speaker 1>are fascinating cases that we thought we would I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they'd find the coach for sure, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not this episode. I'm just saying, I'm just thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, yeah, Martha Nolan, it is something about it too.

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<v Speaker 1>We were there and we saw how that community was

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<v Speaker 1>suffering and nervous and scared and kids and up and

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<v Speaker 1>down the street and parents. Everybody was buzzing and whispering

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<v Speaker 1>about that thing and wondering if anybody else was in danger,

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<v Speaker 1>and to think, here we are. People still don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was it was good to remind everybody about

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<v Speaker 1>that family and what they're going through. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>just a hot headlines. Yeah, bright we talked. Everybody likes

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<v Speaker 1>true crime and watches true crime, but yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>family the center of this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And we did feel connected and I think we always

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<v Speaker 2>will feel connected to this case just because of where

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<v Speaker 2>we were at the time it happened. And we will

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<v Speaker 2>continue to follow the story and follow up with the

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<v Speaker 2>story and definitely keep you all updated. We're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to let this one go. Uh, And so we appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you listening to us as always.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Holmes.

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<v Speaker 3>We will talk to you soon.