Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, January sixth. We have
Speaker 1: an update on the murder mystery in Montak. The update is, well,
Speaker 1: we still really don't know if it's a murder or not.
Speaker 1: Saying with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 1: Rose will be calling it up all right, right, it
Speaker 1: goes with a literation, right good headline murder mystery in Montak.
Speaker 1: We were talking about a death that took place last August.
Speaker 1: Do we know much more now about Martha Nolan's death
Speaker 1: than we did last August?
Speaker 2: The short answer is no, And when I follow up
Speaker 2: with this next bit of information, it actually is shocking
Speaker 2: even as I say it. She was found just after
Speaker 2: midnight on August fifth. August fifth is the last official
Speaker 2: update we've gotten from police. That is when they announced
Speaker 2: at the end of that day that the autopsy did
Speaker 2: not show any evidence or at least their initial findings
Speaker 2: did not sho show any evidence of violence, and that
Speaker 2: her final cause of death is pending further examination. That
Speaker 2: is what they said. The review of the body did
Speaker 2: not show evidence of violence and her final cause of
Speaker 2: death is pending further examination. So after that, there has
Speaker 2: been no official information coming from the police department.
Speaker 1: And let's let's not let's be clear why this was
Speaker 1: such a story, certainly in this area, but also a
Speaker 1: national story. This is a young woman, thirty three, Martha Nolan,
Speaker 1: who ran in certain circles in Montak. She had a
Speaker 1: high end what kind of line do you call it?
Speaker 2: Swimwear is like a resort weear. She had swimwear, resort wear, sunglasses.
Speaker 2: It was called East by East.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about Montalk is toidy and toyity as
Speaker 1: you can get right. It's a nice area out the
Speaker 1: end of the Hampens. This thirty three year old woman
Speaker 1: just doesn't drop dead, generally speaking. So she some weird
Speaker 1: circumstances about who she's with and all this. Fine, we're
Speaker 1: going to rehash some of that, but robes what we're saying.
Speaker 1: They told us August fifth, during that update they kind
Speaker 1: of gave themselves some time, you know what, We got
Speaker 1: a way for the official autopsy toxicology to come back
Speaker 1: should be three months. How many has it been?
Speaker 3: Five?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Five months and one day?
Speaker 1: And when what update did they give us about when
Speaker 1: that's coming zero okay?
Speaker 3: Nothing nata.
Speaker 1: So the mystery has become more of a mystery, the
Speaker 1: mystery robes. For me at least, it start to feel
Speaker 1: like something else is going on when a police department
Speaker 1: won't say a word and all, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say they're burying No, but this is a high profile
Speaker 1: case of a woman who just does the answers.
Speaker 2: Somebody needs answers, yes, and her photo you remember, in
Speaker 2: those first few days and weeks were everywhere from and
Speaker 2: internationally speaking, because she is from Ireland, so her family
Speaker 2: is there. There was obviously a lot of interest here
Speaker 2: in New York and in the United States, but also
Speaker 2: across the pond, and so there has been a tremendous
Speaker 2: amount of media pressure on the police department to give
Speaker 2: some answers. In fact, so much so that Martha Nolan's
Speaker 2: own family has conducted their own autopsy. They have their
Speaker 2: own attorneys, they have a private investigator looking into what
Speaker 2: may have happened. Can you imagine being her mother, her father,
Speaker 2: her brother, her boyfriend, her sister. They all spoke at
Speaker 2: her funeral, and they don't know how or why Martha died.
Speaker 2: And they don't know who to be angry at or
Speaker 2: with who to even blame or point the finger at,
Speaker 2: because we don't even know if police are considering any
Speaker 2: suspects at this point, tell us officially, we do not
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: I haven't ever heard them say suspicious death. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard anything. And so Robes, now, let's go back to
Speaker 1: that night August, the night of August fifth.
Speaker 3: It was the night of August fourth, going into August fifth.
Speaker 1: We just happened to be in Montalk at the time.
Speaker 1: We were taking some time with the kids. We were
Speaker 1: there hanging out. Of course, we get up and this
Speaker 1: news is everywhere that day. Robes. The first thing was
Speaker 1: the concern of wait a minute, is there a killer
Speaker 1: on the loose. They didn't. They never said they had
Speaker 1: a suspect. But now Robes go into what we now
Speaker 1: know about what her evening was. And this is where
Speaker 1: it just gets weirder and weirder.
Speaker 2: Yes, because we actually got a very specific account from
Speaker 2: the attorney representing the man who was with Martha Nolan.
Speaker 2: We heard when we were in Montalk and in the
Speaker 2: weeks following all of these rumors and whispers about the
Speaker 2: boat she was on, the man she was with, there
Speaker 2: was a naked man running up and down the dock.
Speaker 2: All of these rumors and talk and speculation, But when
Speaker 2: his attorney actually sat down and spoke with a media outlet,
Speaker 2: he named him sixty years rolled Christopher Dernan. He was
Speaker 2: on the boat with her that night, and truly he
Speaker 2: is the only one who really knows, or is the
Speaker 2: only one who could possibly know, what happened to her.
Speaker 2: And so when we heard from his attorney, he kind
Speaker 2: of set the timeline about what happened. He said that
Speaker 2: they met for a business meeting. He was her investor,
Speaker 2: one of her big investors in her company. They were
Speaker 2: looking to expand they needed some money, and he said
Speaker 2: his client said, hey, yeah, let's meet and have a
Speaker 2: business meeting. It was supposed to be at four pm.
Speaker 2: It got pushed back to seven thirty pm. They started
Speaker 2: out on one of his boats and took a spin around.
Speaker 2: He said they were talking business, but they were enjoying
Speaker 2: themselves as well, and some people who recalled seeing them
Speaker 2: said they had some champagne and they seemed to just
Speaker 2: be having some fun out on the boat. They came
Speaker 2: back and switched over to his second boat, the Ripple,
Speaker 2: around nine to thirty pm, And this is what the
Speaker 2: attorney said happened. About one hour or an hour and
Speaker 2: a half later, between ten thirty or eleven, he said
Speaker 2: his client looked at Martha and she just suddenly went limp.
Speaker 2: Those were his words, And he said that his client
Speaker 2: thought Martha was having a heart attack, that he tried
Speaker 2: to perform CPR, but that quote, she was gone almost immediately.
Speaker 2: She was non responsive end quote.
Speaker 1: I guess that's possible, unlikely, but possible. This could be
Speaker 1: one of those instances robes. Okay, fine, if I accept
Speaker 1: all that, take me to the next part of this story.
Speaker 1: How did he get from seeing her go limp gone
Speaker 1: to him running down the dock naked, throwing items trying
Speaker 1: to get other people's attention.
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 2: That is a big question mark, isn't it? And so
Speaker 2: here are the two issues with that. According to the
Speaker 2: attorney's timeline, there was an hour that we don't know
Speaker 2: what happened, because if she went between ten thirty and eleven,
Speaker 2: it wasn't until midnight that he was seen running up
Speaker 2: and down the dock, And it wasn't until two people
Speaker 2: who were in a neighboring boat came over. They saw
Speaker 2: him running naked, and they said they performed CPR on her,
Speaker 2: and they were the ones who called nine one one,
Speaker 2: not mister Durnant. Mister Durnan. In terms of him being naked,
Speaker 2: his attorney says that he had been soaked with Martha's
Speaker 2: vomit and that's why he stripped off his clothes before
Speaker 2: running from the boat, because they had been soaked with
Speaker 2: Martha's vomit.
Speaker 3: Are you buying that?
Speaker 1: But I'm okay, Yes. What I'm going to say is
Speaker 1: I'm going to take you at your word. But now
Speaker 1: I need to piece this together. So tell me. How
Speaker 1: do I understand? So she went limp and died and
Speaker 1: was gone, and then she vomited unclear, So she if
Speaker 1: she vomited ahead of time, you knew that something was
Speaker 1: wrong and she was ill, So that wasn't just a
Speaker 1: falling limp situation. I do not want to pretend that
Speaker 1: I would know how I would react in an emergency
Speaker 1: situation if somebody right in front of you is having
Speaker 1: a medical emergency. I just suspect I wouldn't behave in
Speaker 1: that manner. The first and foremost, get her help. Nine
Speaker 1: to one one. I got a problem. I'm screaming, anybody
Speaker 1: please help me. I don't get what his story. I
Speaker 1: don't understand it.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make a good way to put it a
Speaker 1: lot versus any.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of holes in the story, and
Speaker 2: we can only go by the only thing we can
Speaker 2: go by is what his attorney told New York magazine,
Speaker 2: and that is it. And so once that article was
Speaker 2: put out, I think a lot of people were even
Speaker 2: more confused. And here is this is just my two cents.
Speaker 2: We were told, and we know from experience that it
Speaker 2: does take a couple months for toxicology reports to come back,
Speaker 2: for an autopsy to come back, especially in a suspicious
Speaker 2: or potentially suspicious death. When you have a thirty three
Speaker 2: year old who's otherwise healthy who drops dead, it's suspicious, correct,
Speaker 2: and you just have to figure out what may be
Speaker 2: the cause. The fact that more than five months have
Speaker 2: gone by now and we don't even know cause of death.
Speaker 2: We haven't heard any word about the autopsy or toxicology reports.
Speaker 2: If they came back conclusive with something, you would think
Speaker 2: we would have been told that, and it would put
Speaker 2: the story to rest, It would put the speculation to rest.
Speaker 3: It would give some peace to.
Speaker 2: The family to say, hey, there were drugs in our system,
Speaker 2: there was something lethal in her system, there was something
Speaker 2: to explain what happened. It would seem to me that
Speaker 2: by not having any information, they're still looking to put
Speaker 2: something together to figure out what happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, So are we in agreement that because they haven't
Speaker 1: confirmed whether or not we have toxicology results? Have they?
Speaker 1: So the one they told us we were waiting three
Speaker 1: months on, we're still waiting on that one.
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 2: And we know that the family had their own actual
Speaker 2: toxicology and autopsy done, and there are reports, these are
Speaker 2: reports that they said there there was nothing in her
Speaker 2: system that would have killed her. There might have been
Speaker 2: trace amounts of cocaine that could have been left over
Speaker 2: from a couple of days, but nothing that would have
Speaker 2: suggested it was a lethal dose, a fatal amount. So
Speaker 2: anything that their findings showed did not answer the question
Speaker 2: as to.
Speaker 3: How she was violence find violence, no violence?
Speaker 1: How did this woman die? How does she just drop dead?
Speaker 1: And every one of these I find a way. I
Speaker 1: get this Brian Walls trial, but sudden unexplained death was
Speaker 1: his defense in that case. Is it possible?
Speaker 3: I mean, what it's possible?
Speaker 2: But then I just have a hard time with the
Speaker 2: naked man, the hour gap, the vomit, the vomit, he
Speaker 2: didn't call nine one one.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: Look, it could have been that something else happened, he
Speaker 2: got scared, he was afraid to call nine one. There
Speaker 2: are plenty of plausible explanations that didn't mean or don't
Speaker 2: mean he did anything to her. Yes, yes, yes, but
Speaker 2: what the story is right now, with the information we
Speaker 2: have right now, it really doesn't add up.
Speaker 1: I just knew we'd have answers before now on such
Speaker 1: a high profile case, I keep saying to you, the
Speaker 1: longer it goes, the more suspicious I get, not just
Speaker 1: of the circumstances, but of the community and what's going
Speaker 1: on there to where it seems like somebody being protected,
Speaker 1: is something else happening. I'm sorry to say that out loud,
Speaker 1: but when you're not giving any information, you leave us
Speaker 1: all to fill in the blanks. Perfectly good press releases
Speaker 1: to say we have no further findings, nothing to say
Speaker 1: at this time. We are still waiting on toxicology.
Speaker 3: Correct, just an update of some kind.
Speaker 2: The other big question mark, and really, attorneys tell their
Speaker 2: clients not to but an attorney who speaks for his
Speaker 2: client also can be I would imagine equally problematic. And
Speaker 2: he got caught in a little didn't know what to
Speaker 2: say when the reporter he was speaking to asked him
Speaker 2: and followed up when the attorney told the reporter that
Speaker 2: his client, mister Drnan and Martha actually dated. He said
Speaker 2: that he had met her family in Ireland. The family
Speaker 2: denies ever meeting this man, so that's concerning that. His
Speaker 2: attorney told a reporter, Yeah, he's even met her family
Speaker 2: in Ireland.
Speaker 3: When the reporter started pushing.
Speaker 2: Back, they said that he walked back his comments and
Speaker 2: then basically just left it with oh, well, mister Dernan
Speaker 2: loved her as a friend. They kept pushing did he
Speaker 2: have a romantic relationship with Martha? Did he have a
Speaker 2: sexual relationship with Martha? And that's when he said he
Speaker 2: wasn't interested in sharing anything like that. Whether it's an
Speaker 2: absolute no or an absolute yes, I don't think he
Speaker 2: thinks it's fair to her memory. Now, Martha wasn't a
Speaker 2: committed relationship us with the boyfriend at the time who
Speaker 2: she was texting in the like an hour before she
Speaker 2: was found dead. Her friends were actually teasing her because
Speaker 2: she wasn't answering this group text. She was texting her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: She said, Lol, I'm still here. I just had my
Speaker 2: phone turned off. That was her last text.
Speaker 1: Okay, you will see our point now that the attorney
Speaker 1: added to the mystery, but added to the frustration of
Speaker 1: this story. That is an awful answer. I don't know
Speaker 1: the guy at all, maybe wonderful and had a bad moment,
Speaker 1: but to say that, well, it's not an absolute yes
Speaker 1: or an absolute no to a direct question about whether
Speaker 1: or not there was a sexual, a physical, a romantic
Speaker 1: relationship of any kind. Rose, What is that answer? Is
Speaker 1: it just I don't know and it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He was suggesting there was, but he didn't want to
Speaker 2: say it because Martha wasn't a committed relationship exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, folks, well stay here. The story continues,
Speaker 1: but when we come back, we'll hear or we'll talk
Speaker 1: more about Martha's family, her side, what they're going through,
Speaker 1: what they have said, and what they are doing now
Speaker 1: to try to get answered.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ,
Speaker 2: where we are going through trying to update some of
Speaker 2: the mysteries of last year. We're now in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: and it is remarkable to us that we don't have
Speaker 2: answers to several pressing mysterious crime stories I should say
Speaker 2: potential crime stories when it comes to Martha Nolan, because
Speaker 2: we don't know that a crime has been committed, but
Speaker 2: certainly it has been suggested that that is among the
Speaker 2: possibilities of how a thirty three year old healthy woman
Speaker 2: who was fine one moment and dead the next, how
Speaker 2: did that happen? And police have had this case for
Speaker 2: five months and one day as of this recording, and
Speaker 2: still we know nothing more. Our only fill in the
Speaker 2: blanks with information is some of the information we got
Speaker 2: from her friends, from her boyfriend, from the man's attorney
Speaker 2: who she was on a boat with, and some of
Speaker 2: the folks who were at the marina at the yacht
Speaker 2: club that evening.
Speaker 3: But it's none of it adds up and none of
Speaker 3: it makes sense.
Speaker 1: You know what it would have helped? Probably how much
Speaker 1: is it hurting the investigation that her family isn't in
Speaker 1: the United States, Because we have seen families demand answers.
Speaker 1: They will get in front of any camera and scream
Speaker 1: and yell and hoot and holler and demand that the
Speaker 1: police say something. They're at a distance, they're not answering,
Speaker 1: they don't see, they're not the family isn't in the
Speaker 1: police department's face every day kind of a thing.
Speaker 2: And yes, to your point, they don't even really know
Speaker 2: American law. And that is why an attorney, he's said
Speaker 2: he's representing them, and he's doing it pro bono because
Speaker 2: literally almost to guide them through the US I don't
Speaker 2: want to say justice system, but at least the process
Speaker 2: by which police conduct their investigation.
Speaker 3: So he's been.
Speaker 2: Trying to guide them. But when when mister Durnan's attorneys spoke,
Speaker 2: their attorney then also spoke afterwards, because they were then
Speaker 2: all being asked to comment on Christopher Durnin's attorney's comments.
Speaker 2: So after that article New York, the New York criminal
Speaker 2: defense attorney who's representing the Nolan family said this about
Speaker 2: mister Durnan. Obviously he is a primary person that's being
Speaker 2: looked at because that's just common sense. He said, no
Speaker 2: one is positive right now about this one hour gap
Speaker 2: in his account. So he did note that he also said,
Speaker 2: as far as we know, he was the only one there.
Speaker 2: So primarily the police are trying to look at what
Speaker 2: he was doing. And yes, five months now, this is
Speaker 2: another interesting thing. He followed up with this, and I
Speaker 2: do think maybe this is just to make sure you
Speaker 2: don't piss off the investigators or piss off the police department.
Speaker 2: He said, I will tell you, we are very pleased
Speaker 2: with the Suffolk County District Attorney's office.
Speaker 3: They are very focused on this.
Speaker 2: So that gave me a little hope that maybe they
Speaker 2: know more about where this investigation is headed than we know.
Speaker 2: I would hope that they would know more than we know,
Speaker 2: but that's not necessarily the way police departments or DA
Speaker 2: departments work. They don't necessarily fill in the victim's family.
Speaker 2: In fact, that's an complaint that comes up all the
Speaker 2: time that they're left out, they don't know, and they're
Speaker 2: left in the dark.
Speaker 3: And like you said, on the other side of the ocean,
Speaker 3: you know, the.
Speaker 1: Five months to think, I don't think they're sitting around
Speaker 1: right and waiting for the toxicology before. There's other investigative
Speaker 1: things that have gone on, but this is a five
Speaker 1: month investigation now and there's one witness.
Speaker 2: And that's it, which is just I just got chills
Speaker 2: thinking about that, because what do you do?
Speaker 3: How do you prove something that.
Speaker 2: Might be not provable or not knowable if the person
Speaker 2: who does know doesn't want to speak, or if the
Speaker 2: person who could know doesn't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know what that's true. He's not
Speaker 1: a criminal, No, he is not.
Speaker 3: He might be justice baffled.
Speaker 1: Yep, that is true, but it's just one of those
Speaker 1: cases robes that until we get answers. Yeah, the theories
Speaker 1: are going to run.
Speaker 3: Wild, absolutely true.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing I wanted to leave everyone
Speaker 2: one with because we talk about these stories and they
Speaker 2: are fascinating and we do want answers, but it's always
Speaker 2: good to just remember that there is a family grieving.
Speaker 2: And the Nolan's family attorney said this, and this really
Speaker 2: hit me. My heart breaks from that for them, they're
Speaker 2: from another country. This is the Christmas time of year,
Speaker 2: this is the time when Martha would be going going
Speaker 2: home and celebrating in Ireland with all of her family,
Speaker 2: and you know, they're devastated about this, and not having
Speaker 2: any answers is very, very frustrating and upsetting. And I
Speaker 2: just that hit me because we're baffled, but we don't
Speaker 2: have the emotional connection. These folks are devastated and this
Speaker 2: was their first Christmas without Martha. This was the time
Speaker 2: of year she came home and she was with her
Speaker 2: family in Ireland and it didn't happen this year, and
Speaker 2: it's never going to happen again, and they deserve answers.
Speaker 1: Well, folks. Yesterday we were talking about the other big
Speaker 1: story from last year that's still a mystery, David Singer,
Speaker 1: David body found in the trunk of his car. Still
Speaker 1: waiting on answers from that. This was one rogue we've
Speaker 1: been following. This is one every single morning we check
Speaker 1: in about Martha Nolan. We think about this woman every
Speaker 1: day and we google her every single day, waiting for
Speaker 1: some answers. Anna Kepner, we will be doing a podcast
Speaker 1: an episode giving you the very latest there. Young lady
Speaker 1: died on the Carnival cruise and then Travis Turner still missing,
Speaker 1: coach disappeared, undefeated team was playing football in Virginia right
Speaker 1: still has not been heard from after he's become a
Speaker 1: wanted man on some child born charges. This is These
Speaker 1: are fascinating cases that we thought we would I didn't
Speaker 1: I thought they'd find the coach for sure, this is
Speaker 1: not this episode. I'm just saying, I'm just thinking about it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, Martha Nolan, it is something about it too.
Speaker 1: We were there and we saw how that community was
Speaker 1: suffering and nervous and scared and kids and up and
Speaker 1: down the street and parents. Everybody was buzzing and whispering
Speaker 1: about that thing and wondering if anybody else was in danger,
Speaker 1: and to think, here we are. People still don't know,
Speaker 1: but it was it was good to remind everybody about
Speaker 1: that family and what they're going through. This is not
Speaker 1: just a hot headlines. Yeah, bright we talked. Everybody likes
Speaker 1: true crime and watches true crime, but yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: family the center of this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And we did feel connected and I think we always
Speaker 2: will feel connected to this case just because of where
Speaker 2: we were at the time it happened. And we will
Speaker 2: continue to follow the story and follow up with the
Speaker 2: story and definitely keep you all updated. We're not going
Speaker 2: to let this one go. Uh, And so we appreciate
Speaker 2: you listening to us as always.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ.
Speaker 2: Holmes.
Speaker 3: We will talk to you soon.