1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, January sixth. We have 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: an update on the murder mystery in Montak. The update is, well, 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: we still really don't know if it's a murder or not. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Saying with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: Rose will be calling it up all right, right, it 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: goes with a literation, right good headline murder mystery in Montak. 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: We were talking about a death that took place last August. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: Do we know much more now about Martha Nolan's death 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: than we did last August? 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: The short answer is no, And when I follow up 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: with this next bit of information, it actually is shocking 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: even as I say it. She was found just after 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: midnight on August fifth. August fifth is the last official 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: update we've gotten from police. That is when they announced 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: at the end of that day that the autopsy did 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: not show any evidence or at least their initial findings 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: did not sho show any evidence of violence, and that 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: her final cause of death is pending further examination. That 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: is what they said. The review of the body did 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: not show evidence of violence and her final cause of 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: death is pending further examination. So after that, there has 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: been no official information coming from the police department. 23 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: And let's let's not let's be clear why this was 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: such a story, certainly in this area, but also a 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: national story. This is a young woman, thirty three, Martha Nolan, 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: who ran in certain circles in Montak. She had a 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: high end what kind of line do you call it? 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: Swimwear is like a resort weear. She had swimwear, resort wear, sunglasses. 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: It was called East by East. 30 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: So we're talking about Montalk is toidy and toyity as 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: you can get right. It's a nice area out the 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: end of the Hampens. This thirty three year old woman 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: just doesn't drop dead, generally speaking. So she some weird 34 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: circumstances about who she's with and all this. Fine, we're 35 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: going to rehash some of that, but robes what we're saying. 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: They told us August fifth, during that update they kind 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: of gave themselves some time, you know what, We got 38 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: a way for the official autopsy toxicology to come back 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: should be three months. How many has it been? 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: Five? 41 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: Okay? 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: Five months and one day? 43 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: And when what update did they give us about when 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: that's coming zero okay? 45 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: Nothing nata. 46 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: So the mystery has become more of a mystery, the 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: mystery robes. For me at least, it start to feel 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: like something else is going on when a police department 49 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: won't say a word and all, I don't want to 50 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: say they're burying No, but this is a high profile 51 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: case of a woman who just does the answers. 52 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: Somebody needs answers, yes, and her photo you remember, in 53 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: those first few days and weeks were everywhere from and 54 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: internationally speaking, because she is from Ireland, so her family 55 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: is there. There was obviously a lot of interest here 56 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: in New York and in the United States, but also 57 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: across the pond, and so there has been a tremendous 58 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 2: amount of media pressure on the police department to give 59 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: some answers. In fact, so much so that Martha Nolan's 60 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: own family has conducted their own autopsy. They have their 61 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: own attorneys, they have a private investigator looking into what 62 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: may have happened. Can you imagine being her mother, her father, 63 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: her brother, her boyfriend, her sister. They all spoke at 64 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: her funeral, and they don't know how or why Martha died. 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: And they don't know who to be angry at or 66 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: with who to even blame or point the finger at, 67 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: because we don't even know if police are considering any 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: suspects at this point, tell us officially, we do not 69 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: know that. 70 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: I haven't ever heard them say suspicious death. I haven't 71 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: heard anything. And so Robes, now, let's go back to 72 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: that night August, the night of August fifth. 73 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 3: It was the night of August fourth, going into August fifth. 74 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: We just happened to be in Montalk at the time. 75 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: We were taking some time with the kids. We were 76 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: there hanging out. Of course, we get up and this 77 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: news is everywhere that day. Robes. The first thing was 78 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 1: the concern of wait a minute, is there a killer 79 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: on the loose. They didn't. They never said they had 80 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: a suspect. But now Robes go into what we now 81 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: know about what her evening was. And this is where 82 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: it just gets weirder and weirder. 83 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: Yes, because we actually got a very specific account from 84 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 2: the attorney representing the man who was with Martha Nolan. 85 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: We heard when we were in Montalk and in the 86 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 2: weeks following all of these rumors and whispers about the 87 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: boat she was on, the man she was with, there 88 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: was a naked man running up and down the dock. 89 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: All of these rumors and talk and speculation, But when 90 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: his attorney actually sat down and spoke with a media outlet, 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: he named him sixty years rolled Christopher Dernan. He was 92 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: on the boat with her that night, and truly he 93 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: is the only one who really knows, or is the 94 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: only one who could possibly know, what happened to her. 95 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: And so when we heard from his attorney, he kind 96 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: of set the timeline about what happened. He said that 97 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: they met for a business meeting. He was her investor, 98 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: one of her big investors in her company. They were 99 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: looking to expand they needed some money, and he said 100 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: his client said, hey, yeah, let's meet and have a 101 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: business meeting. It was supposed to be at four pm. 102 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: It got pushed back to seven thirty pm. They started 103 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: out on one of his boats and took a spin around. 104 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: He said they were talking business, but they were enjoying 105 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: themselves as well, and some people who recalled seeing them 106 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: said they had some champagne and they seemed to just 107 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: be having some fun out on the boat. They came 108 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: back and switched over to his second boat, the Ripple, 109 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: around nine to thirty pm, And this is what the 110 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: attorney said happened. About one hour or an hour and 111 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: a half later, between ten thirty or eleven, he said 112 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: his client looked at Martha and she just suddenly went limp. 113 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: Those were his words, And he said that his client 114 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: thought Martha was having a heart attack, that he tried 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: to perform CPR, but that quote, she was gone almost immediately. 116 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: She was non responsive end quote. 117 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: I guess that's possible, unlikely, but possible. This could be 118 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 1: one of those instances robes. Okay, fine, if I accept 119 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: all that, take me to the next part of this story. 120 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: How did he get from seeing her go limp gone 121 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: to him running down the dock naked, throwing items trying 122 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: to get other people's attention. 123 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: Correct? 124 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: That is a big question mark, isn't it? And so 125 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: here are the two issues with that. According to the 126 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: attorney's timeline, there was an hour that we don't know 127 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: what happened, because if she went between ten thirty and eleven, 128 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: it wasn't until midnight that he was seen running up 129 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: and down the dock, And it wasn't until two people 130 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: who were in a neighboring boat came over. They saw 131 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: him running naked, and they said they performed CPR on her, 132 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: and they were the ones who called nine one one, 133 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: not mister Durnant. Mister Durnan. In terms of him being naked, 134 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: his attorney says that he had been soaked with Martha's 135 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: vomit and that's why he stripped off his clothes before 136 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: running from the boat, because they had been soaked with 137 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: Martha's vomit. 138 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: Are you buying that? 139 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: But I'm okay, Yes. What I'm going to say is 140 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to take you at your word. But now 141 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: I need to piece this together. So tell me. How 142 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: do I understand? So she went limp and died and 143 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: was gone, and then she vomited unclear, So she if 144 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: she vomited ahead of time, you knew that something was 145 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: wrong and she was ill, So that wasn't just a 146 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: falling limp situation. I do not want to pretend that 147 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: I would know how I would react in an emergency 148 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: situation if somebody right in front of you is having 149 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: a medical emergency. I just suspect I wouldn't behave in 150 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: that manner. The first and foremost, get her help. Nine 151 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: to one one. I got a problem. I'm screaming, anybody 152 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: please help me. I don't get what his story. I 153 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: don't understand it. 154 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: It doesn't make a lot of sense. 155 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't make a good way to put it a 156 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: lot versus any. 157 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: It doesn't make a lot of sense. 158 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: There are a lot of holes in the story, and 159 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: we can only go by the only thing we can 160 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: go by is what his attorney told New York magazine, 161 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: and that is it. And so once that article was 162 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: put out, I think a lot of people were even 163 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,119 Speaker 2: more confused. And here is this is just my two cents. 164 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 2: We were told, and we know from experience that it 165 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: does take a couple months for toxicology reports to come back, 166 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: for an autopsy to come back, especially in a suspicious 167 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 2: or potentially suspicious death. When you have a thirty three 168 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: year old who's otherwise healthy who drops dead, it's suspicious, correct, 169 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: and you just have to figure out what may be 170 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: the cause. The fact that more than five months have 171 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: gone by now and we don't even know cause of death. 172 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 2: We haven't heard any word about the autopsy or toxicology reports. 173 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: If they came back conclusive with something, you would think 174 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: we would have been told that, and it would put 175 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: the story to rest, It would put the speculation to rest. 176 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: It would give some peace to. 177 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: The family to say, hey, there were drugs in our system, 178 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: there was something lethal in her system, there was something 179 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: to explain what happened. It would seem to me that 180 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: by not having any information, they're still looking to put 181 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: something together to figure out what happened. 182 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: Okay, So are we in agreement that because they haven't 183 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: confirmed whether or not we have toxicology results? Have they? 184 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: So the one they told us we were waiting three 185 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: months on, we're still waiting on that one. 186 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: Correct? 187 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: And we know that the family had their own actual 188 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: toxicology and autopsy done, and there are reports, these are 189 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: reports that they said there there was nothing in her 190 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: system that would have killed her. There might have been 191 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: trace amounts of cocaine that could have been left over 192 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: from a couple of days, but nothing that would have 193 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: suggested it was a lethal dose, a fatal amount. So 194 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: anything that their findings showed did not answer the question 195 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: as to. 196 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 3: How she was violence find violence, no violence? 197 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: How did this woman die? How does she just drop dead? 198 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: And every one of these I find a way. I 199 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: get this Brian Walls trial, but sudden unexplained death was 200 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: his defense in that case. Is it possible? 201 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: I mean, what it's possible? 202 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: But then I just have a hard time with the 203 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: naked man, the hour gap, the vomit, the vomit, he 204 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: didn't call nine one one. 205 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: There are a lot of questions. 206 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: Look, it could have been that something else happened, he 207 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 2: got scared, he was afraid to call nine one. There 208 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: are plenty of plausible explanations that didn't mean or don't 209 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: mean he did anything to her. Yes, yes, yes, but 210 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: what the story is right now, with the information we 211 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: have right now, it really doesn't add up. 212 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: I just knew we'd have answers before now on such 213 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: a high profile case, I keep saying to you, the 214 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: longer it goes, the more suspicious I get, not just 215 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: of the circumstances, but of the community and what's going 216 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: on there to where it seems like somebody being protected, 217 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: is something else happening. I'm sorry to say that out loud, 218 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: but when you're not giving any information, you leave us 219 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: all to fill in the blanks. Perfectly good press releases 220 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: to say we have no further findings, nothing to say 221 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: at this time. We are still waiting on toxicology. 222 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: Correct, just an update of some kind. 223 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: The other big question mark, and really, attorneys tell their 224 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: clients not to but an attorney who speaks for his 225 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: client also can be I would imagine equally problematic. And 226 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: he got caught in a little didn't know what to 227 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: say when the reporter he was speaking to asked him 228 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: and followed up when the attorney told the reporter that 229 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: his client, mister Drnan and Martha actually dated. He said 230 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: that he had met her family in Ireland. The family 231 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: denies ever meeting this man, so that's concerning that. His 232 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: attorney told a reporter, Yeah, he's even met her family 233 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: in Ireland. 234 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: When the reporter started pushing. 235 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: Back, they said that he walked back his comments and 236 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: then basically just left it with oh, well, mister Dernan 237 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: loved her as a friend. They kept pushing did he 238 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: have a romantic relationship with Martha? Did he have a 239 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: sexual relationship with Martha? And that's when he said he 240 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: wasn't interested in sharing anything like that. Whether it's an 241 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: absolute no or an absolute yes, I don't think he 242 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: thinks it's fair to her memory. Now, Martha wasn't a 243 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: committed relationship us with the boyfriend at the time who 244 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: she was texting in the like an hour before she 245 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: was found dead. Her friends were actually teasing her because 246 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: she wasn't answering this group text. She was texting her boyfriend. 247 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: She said, Lol, I'm still here. I just had my 248 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 2: phone turned off. That was her last text. 249 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: Okay, you will see our point now that the attorney 250 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: added to the mystery, but added to the frustration of 251 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: this story. That is an awful answer. I don't know 252 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: the guy at all, maybe wonderful and had a bad moment, 253 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: but to say that, well, it's not an absolute yes 254 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: or an absolute no to a direct question about whether 255 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: or not there was a sexual, a physical, a romantic 256 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: relationship of any kind. Rose, What is that answer? Is 257 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: it just I don't know and it wasn't. 258 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 259 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: He was suggesting there was, but he didn't want to 260 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 2: say it because Martha wasn't a committed relationship exactly. 261 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, folks, well stay here. The story continues, 262 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: but when we come back, we'll hear or we'll talk 263 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: more about Martha's family, her side, what they're going through, 264 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: what they have said, and what they are doing now 265 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: to try to get answered. 266 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ, 267 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: where we are going through trying to update some of 268 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: the mysteries of last year. We're now in twenty twenty six, 269 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: and it is remarkable to us that we don't have 270 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: answers to several pressing mysterious crime stories I should say 271 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: potential crime stories when it comes to Martha Nolan, because 272 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: we don't know that a crime has been committed, but 273 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: certainly it has been suggested that that is among the 274 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: possibilities of how a thirty three year old healthy woman 275 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: who was fine one moment and dead the next, how 276 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: did that happen? And police have had this case for 277 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: five months and one day as of this recording, and 278 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: still we know nothing more. Our only fill in the 279 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: blanks with information is some of the information we got 280 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: from her friends, from her boyfriend, from the man's attorney 281 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: who she was on a boat with, and some of 282 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: the folks who were at the marina at the yacht 283 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: club that evening. 284 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: But it's none of it adds up and none of 285 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: it makes sense. 286 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: You know what it would have helped? Probably how much 287 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: is it hurting the investigation that her family isn't in 288 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: the United States, Because we have seen families demand answers. 289 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: They will get in front of any camera and scream 290 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: and yell and hoot and holler and demand that the 291 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: police say something. They're at a distance, they're not answering, 292 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: they don't see, they're not the family isn't in the 293 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: police department's face every day kind of a thing. 294 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: And yes, to your point, they don't even really know 295 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: American law. And that is why an attorney, he's said 296 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: he's representing them, and he's doing it pro bono because 297 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: literally almost to guide them through the US I don't 298 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: want to say justice system, but at least the process 299 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: by which police conduct their investigation. 300 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 3: So he's been. 301 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: Trying to guide them. But when when mister Durnan's attorneys spoke, 302 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: their attorney then also spoke afterwards, because they were then 303 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: all being asked to comment on Christopher Durnin's attorney's comments. 304 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: So after that article New York, the New York criminal 305 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: defense attorney who's representing the Nolan family said this about 306 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: mister Durnan. Obviously he is a primary person that's being 307 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: looked at because that's just common sense. He said, no 308 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: one is positive right now about this one hour gap 309 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: in his account. So he did note that he also said, 310 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: as far as we know, he was the only one there. 311 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: So primarily the police are trying to look at what 312 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: he was doing. And yes, five months now, this is 313 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: another interesting thing. He followed up with this, and I 314 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: do think maybe this is just to make sure you 315 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: don't piss off the investigators or piss off the police department. 316 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 2: He said, I will tell you, we are very pleased 317 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: with the Suffolk County District Attorney's office. 318 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 3: They are very focused on this. 319 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: So that gave me a little hope that maybe they 320 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: know more about where this investigation is headed than we know. 321 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 2: I would hope that they would know more than we know, 322 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: but that's not necessarily the way police departments or DA 323 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: departments work. They don't necessarily fill in the victim's family. 324 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: In fact, that's an complaint that comes up all the 325 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: time that they're left out, they don't know, and they're 326 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: left in the dark. 327 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: And like you said, on the other side of the ocean, 328 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: you know, the. 329 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: Five months to think, I don't think they're sitting around 330 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: right and waiting for the toxicology before. There's other investigative 331 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: things that have gone on, but this is a five 332 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: month investigation now and there's one witness. 333 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: And that's it, which is just I just got chills 334 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: thinking about that, because what do you do? 335 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 3: How do you prove something that. 336 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: Might be not provable or not knowable if the person 337 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: who does know doesn't want to speak, or if the 338 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 2: person who could know doesn't know. 339 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know what that's true. He's not 340 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: a criminal, No, he is not. 341 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: He might be justice baffled. 342 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: Yep, that is true, but it's just one of those 343 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: cases robes that until we get answers. Yeah, the theories 344 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: are going to run. 345 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: Wild, absolutely true. 346 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: And this is the thing I wanted to leave everyone 347 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: one with because we talk about these stories and they 348 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 2: are fascinating and we do want answers, but it's always 349 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: good to just remember that there is a family grieving. 350 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 2: And the Nolan's family attorney said this, and this really 351 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: hit me. My heart breaks from that for them, they're 352 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: from another country. This is the Christmas time of year, 353 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: this is the time when Martha would be going going 354 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: home and celebrating in Ireland with all of her family, 355 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: and you know, they're devastated about this, and not having 356 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: any answers is very, very frustrating and upsetting. And I 357 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: just that hit me because we're baffled, but we don't 358 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: have the emotional connection. These folks are devastated and this 359 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: was their first Christmas without Martha. This was the time 360 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: of year she came home and she was with her 361 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: family in Ireland and it didn't happen this year, and 362 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: it's never going to happen again, and they deserve answers. 363 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: Well, folks. Yesterday we were talking about the other big 364 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: story from last year that's still a mystery, David Singer, 365 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: David body found in the trunk of his car. Still 366 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: waiting on answers from that. This was one rogue we've 367 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: been following. This is one every single morning we check 368 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: in about Martha Nolan. We think about this woman every 369 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: day and we google her every single day, waiting for 370 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: some answers. Anna Kepner, we will be doing a podcast 371 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: an episode giving you the very latest there. Young lady 372 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: died on the Carnival cruise and then Travis Turner still missing, 373 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: coach disappeared, undefeated team was playing football in Virginia right 374 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: still has not been heard from after he's become a 375 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: wanted man on some child born charges. This is These 376 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: are fascinating cases that we thought we would I didn't 377 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: I thought they'd find the coach for sure, this is 378 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: not this episode. I'm just saying, I'm just thinking about it, 379 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, Martha Nolan, it is something about it too. 380 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: We were there and we saw how that community was 381 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: suffering and nervous and scared and kids and up and 382 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: down the street and parents. Everybody was buzzing and whispering 383 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: about that thing and wondering if anybody else was in danger, 384 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: and to think, here we are. People still don't know, 385 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: but it was it was good to remind everybody about 386 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: that family and what they're going through. This is not 387 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: just a hot headlines. Yeah, bright we talked. Everybody likes 388 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: true crime and watches true crime, but yeah, there's a 389 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: family the center of this. Yeah. 390 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 2: And we did feel connected and I think we always 391 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: will feel connected to this case just because of where 392 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: we were at the time it happened. And we will 393 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: continue to follow the story and follow up with the 394 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 2: story and definitely keep you all updated. We're not going 395 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: to let this one go. Uh, And so we appreciate 396 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 2: you listening to us as always. 397 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. 398 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: Holmes. 399 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: We will talk to you soon.