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Speaker 1: He was in Glendale, Arizona for Chocolate Tito a Strata

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Speaker 1: Uh Roman Gonzalez wan Francisco Astrata. They fight for the

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Speaker 1: It was ultra competitive. The first fight was competitive, but

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Speaker 1: that was a pretty clear win for Chocolateito. Back in

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Speaker 1: every interview Crawford does like if he mentions David Avanisi

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Speaker 1: and it's in passing, like it's never a conversation about

425
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Speaker 1: David Aveneci, and it's entirely about why the Errol Spence

426
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Speaker 1: fight isn't happening, to the point where I was told,

427
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Speaker 1: like you know, Crawford was being told like, don't do

428
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Speaker 1: any more interviews this week, if you know, if all

429
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Speaker 1: they want to talk about Errol Spence like were because

430
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,399
Speaker 1: he doesn't help the the pay per view or the

431
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 1: people putting up money for it to have Terence Crawford

432
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 1: constantly talking about the fight that didn't happen and for

433
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 1: the perception to be disappointment that this is a fight

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Speaker 1: against David Avensien. So I guess I'll start here, is

435
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Speaker 1: this a remotely competitive fight? Avenisi has won some fights

436
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Speaker 1: in a row. Whenever he stepped up, whether it gets

437
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 1: Lament Peterson or or others, he's he's not performed. Well, um,

438
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 1: is this a competitive fight at this stage? I think

439
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,679
Speaker 1: it's more competitive than people are. People are just completely

440
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,120
Speaker 1: dismissive of David Abaniscene because they remember, like you said,

441
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 1: they remember h from the Laman Peterson fight. They'll remember

442
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 1: him getting cooked by you know, mean machine. So he

443
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 1: has the sixth fight wind streak. It is kind of

444
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Speaker 1: on that, you know, that domestic level of the you know,

445
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 1: the European level. Um, he knows he's not he's he

446
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: doesn't always in wear over his head. We kind of

447
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,239
Speaker 1: know he's in pay over said, but um, I think

448
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 1: he'll be competitive. We've seen Bud struggle with guys where

449
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't completely get up for like you know me

450
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: Machine even had him urder a couple of times. So

451
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: he has those lapses, and you know when some in

452
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 1: fights like this, So I do expect Bud to eventually

453
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Speaker 1: get him out of there. I don't you know. Evenecian

454
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: told me, he's like, I'm absolutely gonna knock this. This

455
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Speaker 1: fight's gonna end the knock out. I'm gonna get my

456
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Speaker 1: seventh knock out in a roll. Like, I agree with you,

457
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Speaker 1: the fight's gonna end the knockout. Um, I don't think

458
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Speaker 1: it'll be a complete mismatch from from the opening bill,

459
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 1: but I do think as the fight gets going, Evanation

460
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 1: is gonna rail is Okay, this is not Kerman lead,

461
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: this is not Josh Kelly. You know this, this is

462
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: a real fight. And but you know he's once he

463
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 1: gets going, he's like a free train rolling downhill. You know,

464
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Speaker 1: I love the idea of Avenecian against Virgil Ortiz. When

465
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Speaker 1: that was being discussed earlier this year, that made sense

466
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Speaker 1: as a more competitive fight. I don't see this being

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Speaker 1: I just don't see it being competitive. Abdecian is an

468
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Speaker 1: aggressive fighter, and he's at some point he's gonna walk

469
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Speaker 1: into something huge and somebody didn't see coming, and he's

470
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Speaker 1: gonna get dropped and he's gonna get hurt, and budds

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Speaker 1: gonna win. I guess the The only question I have is,

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Speaker 1: you know, budsman off for over a year. He's thirty

473
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Speaker 1: five years old, he was hurt, you know a couple

474
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Speaker 1: of fights ago against Aggas Kavalaskis. Is is there anything? Yeah?

475
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Speaker 1: Has he been diminished at all at this stage of

476
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Speaker 1: his career. But if he's the Bud Crawford we're used

477
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Speaker 1: to seeing, and he claims he is, um he doesn't

478
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: have a ton of miles on his tires because of

479
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: the way the last couple of years have gone, I

480
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: just don't see Avanisi and being able to to hang

481
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 1: with him. I mean, god, I don't. I generally don't

482
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Speaker 1: weigh in on pay per view numbers or like that,

483
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: but I mean, good luck with this one. Like I

484
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: just the promotion has been such just an abject disaster.

485
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: It just has And if if the pro Gray is

486
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Speaker 1: a pay to fight was a bad pay per view

487
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: and and I've been told it was pretty catastrophic. Um,

488
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how much better this one is going

489
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: to be because nobody, nobody's going into this fight believing

490
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Speaker 1: it's going to be competitive and as compelling as Bud

491
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Speaker 1: Crawford is. Like you're just you know, no one's paying

492
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Speaker 1: forty and the money being a little bit lower is good,

493
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: Like that's that's a positive for pay per view. I

494
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: hope more people try that, But nobody's really paying for

495
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: an appearance fee. You know, we're a fight like this,

496
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Speaker 1: I mean, it just I just don't see it at

497
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Speaker 1: this point. So now I don't know, Yeah, I'm with

498
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Speaker 1: you and that it's it's just been such a bizarre promotion,

499
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: like you said, and just the whole thing with like

500
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: wanton transparency and the Earl's fight, but yet not getting

501
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: any of it with you know, the BLK Prime people.

502
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: It's like we still you know, we know what we've

503
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: read about those guys, but we're not getting any answers

504
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: on that point. It's like, you know, Sam Kokowski has

505
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: kind of been the only yeah, I'm not even saying face,

506
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: you know, the only voice is the face. It he

507
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 1: is the face. And like he's the manager for Regis

508
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: programs and how the the front man for b Oka

509
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: priv and I like Sam and it's and he's usually

510
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes guy. You know, we both know,

511
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, he has a great relationship to media, but

512
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: you know we you know, now it's the behind the

513
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: scenes guy who's you know, decided to take the lead

514
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: because nobody else would. But yeah, it's just been a

515
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: bizarre one. I know what, I don't you know, the

516
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: blame game has been played for these last few weeks.

517
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: I don't even know, like nobody really knows like who

518
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: should be blamed for the failure of Spence Crawford. I mean,

519
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: Bud's got his fans and supporters. They back him to

520
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: the hill, the Spence fans. They're jumping up and down

521
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: on button social media, and he's obviously reading all of

522
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: it because he's weighing in every you know, thirty minutes

523
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: on with some kind of counter argument. It's just been

524
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: crazy to watch him do Instagram lives and then the

525
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: two of them are arguing for hedge funds on social media.

526
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: It's like it's a clinic on what not to do

527
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: after a fight kind of falls apart. But I'll tell

528
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Speaker 1: you this, I have never once blamed Bud Crawford for

529
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: taking this fight. Like, if he really is guaranteed ten

530
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Speaker 1: million dollars and supposedly half of the money is already

531
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Speaker 1: in his bank account, If he is guaranteed ten million dollars,

532
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: who the hell wouldn't take that to fight David Avenecian. Like,

533
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: obviously you care about exposure if you're Bud Crawford, but

534
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: you put on ESPN for a long time. You care

535
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: about legacy and all that. But if someone's gonna write

536
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 1: a check for ten million dollars to fight David Avenecian,

537
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: you take it. You take it and then and then

538
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: you worry about the next fight after that fight is over.

539
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: The problem with this, and this goes back to programs

540
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: that paid it too. Like the problem is is these

541
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: people jumping into boxing with no coherent game plan, like

542
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: the Marven Nation, the people behind Marve Nation that put

543
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: programs that paid it together, Like people that were there

544
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: told me they were like five thousand fans and attendance

545
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: and as I said, the number for a pay per

546
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: view was was awful. Um, you know, and now you

547
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 1: have and I don't know what they're gonna they want

548
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: to pay in two and a half million bucks just

549
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: for that fight alone, to to to programs, the pay

550
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: to and now you have this event which has got

551
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: to be costing them, like for the main event alone

552
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: ten eleven million dollars depending on whatever avenesians getting and

553
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: like there's there's no This is the the boxing equivalent

554
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: of lighting money on fire. Like I just and and

555
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,719
Speaker 1: this is the problem, Like when you have kind of

556
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: these one off newcomers coming into the game because boxing

557
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: has no barrier for entry, it just it kind of

558
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: it kind of screws up things for for other entities

559
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: in the long term that are trying to build a

560
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: sustainable business. And so it's good for Like I can't

561
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,239
Speaker 1: blame Crawford one bit. I don't blame program one bit.

562
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: I don't blames the pay to one bit. But these

563
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: entities that are coming in with no game plan whatsoever,

564
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: it hurts the overall business of boxing. Yeah, no, I agree.

565
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: And that's always been I mean, it's been the problem

566
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: for years. It's like every time there's new money. The

567
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: same people are always chasing it. You know, we know

568
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: the promoters, we know the managers. They line their guys

569
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: up right away and then there's nothing left. It's like

570
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: you pick all the meat off the bone. And then

571
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: these guys they have to know they're gonna you know,

572
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: I think the BLK people know they're gonna lose their

573
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: shirt in this one. Like the theory was that if

574
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: the show goes through it, that's the victory, and then

575
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: it's onto Adrian Brono whatever that got planned for him

576
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: in February, which I've heard some very interesting names from him.

577
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: I have to let's let's do that for a second.

578
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how comfortable. I'll throw some stuff that

579
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: Offerd Roley Romero and Adrian Bruno, which would be one

580
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: of the wilder promotions you can have because they're just

581
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: yelling at each other forever. And I've heard a little

582
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 1: about Prograde, but I mean, Adrian Broner does not want

583
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: to get into the ring with Regis bro Grade. That

584
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: is a bad, bad, bad idea. Yeah, And so I

585
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: was even telling them it's like a Broner role fight

586
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: has to happen. If there's any chance of role whatever.

587
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: If he doesn't have anything going on in PBC right now,

588
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: that has to happen. Um, I don't know if that's

589
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: a name that's in the mix I have in Red Catch.

590
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: His name keeps popping up, which I don't even know

591
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: if they think they could even sell that one name.

592
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: But I've heard and I was told he's a free

593
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: agent now, Um, Golden Boy is not confirmed. This to me,

594
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: Blair Cobbs an agent brown a Black Cops fight that

595
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: would be at least a fun promotion. I don't know what.

596
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: I think it would even be a competitive fight. You know, Yeah,

597
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: that's actually I haven't heard that name. Um Blair at

598
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: it happen for seven, which is where like yeah, everything

599
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: we've seen from him, Yeah yeah, like that's that's pretty good.

600
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: You know. I'd probably favor Blair because he throws more punches,

601
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: but Blair can also get caught and and Browner still

602
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: got some deceptive speed, but although he hasn't show much

603
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: power at and above, Um, yeah, I could sell that.

604
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: I don't think Red Catch is sellable. I think Blair

605
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: Cobbs is sellable to the boxing people. I think Rolly

606
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: Romero would be even more sellable because they both just

607
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: kill each other at these press conferences. It might be

608
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: a goofy fight, but um, they kill each other. Yeah,

609
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: there's a possibility of browner. But you know, you start

610
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: doing red catch bad program, terrible idea, terrible idea that

611
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: your three fight deal with Adrian Brono go out the window.

612
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: If that was because Bruner would never be in boxing

613
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,239
Speaker 1: again if he fought preaches progray at that point. So

614
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: is a good mention, I'm sorry, Yeah, no, program is

615
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: a good mentioned because obviously Sam is involved, so you

616
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: know why not? And I've joked Regis has been on

617
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: every other platform. It just seems like the natural forces

618
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: of progression, they'll wind up on b Okay. You know,

619
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: he's what everywhere else. Yeah, and I hope he gets

620
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: some get some money out of it, um, you know,

621
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: him being lost in the wilderness. And I did a

622
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: podcast last last week and I talked a lot about

623
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: program and kind of why people weren't signing up. I

624
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: got some calls from from promoters who had mentioned that,

625
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, top Rank being one of them had mentioned

626
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: that they that there was an off from Top Rank

627
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: for Regis program a couple of years ago. He turned down,

628
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: just reminding that, you know, it's not just you know,

629
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: promoters ignoring program. Obviously, match Roum too, you know, was

630
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: in the prograe business sort of when they were trying

631
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: to make that Hooker fight a couple of years ago.

632
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I'd be good to see Progray, you know,

633
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: get get a decent fight. Now he's got a belt,

634
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: at least got the possibility of of some of these

635
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: good matchups actually happening for him. All right, Um, let's

636
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: move on to to the fight. We have. The fight

637
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: we got this weekend, Tafio Lopez against Sandor Martin at

638
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: Mass Square Garden. Martin a late replacement, but a pretty

639
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: good one. Um. It was just last year that Martin

640
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: beat Mikey Garcia in a big upset. Now he gets

641
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: a chance to potentially secure a second one. You know,

642
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: you saw Ta Femo's debut at a hundred and forty pounds,

643
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are critical of that. They

644
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: thought I got hit too much, they thought he looked

645
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: a little bit slower at one forty. What did you

646
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: think of Ta Femo's first fight at one forty and

647
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: what are you kind of hoping to see from him?

648
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: In this one. You know, in retrospect, it makes sense,

649
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: especially when he said he admitted you know, I think

650
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: he admitted more so after the fact he really talked

651
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: about it too much that he had a very short

652
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: training camp going into that first fight. I'm sorry. Yeah,

653
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: the first fight at one forty, A lot of people

654
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: didn't even know if he was gonna go through with it.

655
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: They didn't know where his head was at. That was

656
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: always the biggest issue, was just like him getting right mentally.

657
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: So if seemed like it took that that part of

658
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: it was longer than he had the short camp, so

659
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: it made sense that you know, he had to you know,

660
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: get rid of a lot of rust and you know,

661
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: just get him self back accivated into the ring. So

662
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, I do kind of forget that. I do

663
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: believe we'll see a better, uh say, a female Lopez

664
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: this weekend. I will say, I don't think he's the

665
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: same as what Mikey Garcia was in October one, where

666
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, even at his absolute best, and he's a

667
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna make the whole of fame,

668
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: but there is an argument, you know, maybe just barely,

669
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: but he's always kind of had one foot out the

670
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: door with boxing, so and that you know when we

671
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: saw that last year was like the fight almost kind

672
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: of never got going, and that absolutely worked Sandon Watin's advantage.

673
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't see that being the case this weekend. I

674
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: do love Sandon Watine's confidence, though he is not shook.

675
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: We saw the photos shoot the ad yesterday. You know

676
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: a female is trying to get inside his head and

677
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: send the Martine had plenty to say. I don't know

678
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: how well to a female Lopez speak. I think he

679
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: speaks Spanish, so we should have understood with Samo. Martine

680
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: had to say, but yeah, he's you know, certainly sounded

681
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: like he's here for another upset the Spanish guys. Briman

682
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: the confidence Carmona this past weekend against Ulie's Suson Martinez,

683
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: Carmona probably would have won that five and bust his

684
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: hand up in the middle round and throwing left hands.

685
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: I like Sandra Martine's confidence as well. I agree with

686
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: you that Mikey Martin was as much about Mikey as

687
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: it was Santa Martine, like Mikey just wasn't into it.

688
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: He's not a hundred and forty seven pounder. Um it

689
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: just he was just that that was his farewell and

690
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Santa Martine, to his credit, took advantage of it. And

691
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: now I was able to cash in on it because

692
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: he won. I really didn't understand the criticism of Tea

693
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: Fimo against Campa. Yeah, he got hit a little bit,

694
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe more than he should have in

695
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: a bigger puncher might have done a little bit more damage,

696
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: but he still got him out of there in the

697
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: seventh round. You still won that fight by knockout. And like,

698
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: he's only gonna get better as he stays active. The

699
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: best Tafimo Lopez is an active Tafimo Lopez. And here

700
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: he is back again, what four or five months later? Uh,

701
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: in a good fight, high profile fight, coming after um

702
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: the Heisman ceremony. I think he's gonna be fine. I

703
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: think it's all great in this fight. I think he's

704
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: gonna re establish himself as you know, a top guy

705
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: in this way class. The question I have now is

706
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: how will top rank move him after this fight? Not

707
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: to look past sand Or Martine, but I think he

708
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: gets the winds and then it comes to where does

709
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: he go from here? I think top rank their preference

710
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: is to do Taya Fimo against the winner of Josh

711
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Taylor Jack Catterall, assuming it is Josh Taylor who was

712
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: their guy. Taffian has been talking a lot about Taylor

713
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: as well. That fight, though, just got pushed back deeper

714
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: into February. The interesting one to me, Jake is reaches

715
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: program Um. I don't believe that it's we're gonna get

716
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: Program Amirez in the next fight. I don't think jos

717
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: A Ramirez is going to take that fight that's been

718
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: relayed to me by a couple of people. I think

719
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: it's more likely you get Ramirez in some kind of

720
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: tune up fight um before he goes onto a world

721
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: title shot. If he passes, at least by the ever

722
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: fluid rules of the w BC, TA Lopez would be

723
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: next in line. And I've asked Tafi, who's on the

724
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: podcast after this, I've asked him would he take that fight?

725
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: He said, absolutely, colutely, I would take that fight. Do

726
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: you think he's being truthful there to think top rank

727
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: would put Ta Femo in with Regis program at this stage.

728
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: I will say this so I I'm with you. I

729
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: was always told that, regardless of the WBC status, Josh

730
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Taylor was the fight he wanted, that had plenty of heat.

731
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: They have plenty to say about each other. This was

732
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: back when Josh Chal and cad Roll was supposed to

733
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: fight November twenty six. That date has now been pushed

734
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: back right to February. Now it's going to what you know,

735
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: they don't want to stack the pay per views over there,

736
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: So if that pushes, if Taylor's fight is now pushed

737
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: out of to females timetable, we just said, you know,

738
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: an active to female Lopez is a dangerous to femal Lopez.

739
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: Maybe he absolutely wants that smoke. Maybe he does go

740
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: after Red, especially if it's a straight shot at read

741
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: just to he doesn't have to wait out or Regis

742
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: fight with um with Jose Ramirez anymore. So, yeah, he's

743
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to design because anything else as a risk.

744
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: He you know, he's pretty made it pretty obvious. He

745
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 1: doesn't want to fight. He doesn't want to fight Rick

746
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: Marrigeon's guys, you doesn't want to fight on a bobosa.

747
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: There's something very personal there where you know, Rick keeps

748
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: going after him and say he was like, well, you know,

749
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna give you guys any pay Day, then, um, yeah,

750
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to do something. I think if there

751
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: If he's um, I don't know if he has can

752
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: give him another stay busy fight to bridge that gap

753
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: to get to Josh Taylor. So maybe he does just

754
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: go straight for that second title shot. He keeps saying

755
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: he wants to be Look, he wasn't undisputed at lightweight,

756
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: but you know, if he thinks he was, then he

757
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: wants to you know, become undisputed and two weight division.

758
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: So the only way to do that is salt winning

759
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: titles when the I agree with you. When the Taylor

760
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: fight got pushed back again, it started to make me

761
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: wonder like would Taya Femo be willing to wait because

762
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: a lot can happen. I mean, Taylor could lose to

763
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: Cattterall and then that makes that fight completely obsolete, and

764
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: Taylor could win and be like, you know, what's screwing,

765
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm not staying at one forty. I think it is

766
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: likely he would stay at one forty because what's left

767
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: for him at one? What's up there seven? Like, do

768
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: you really want to climb the ranks and let Boots

769
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: in his kick the crap out of you? Or you

770
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: know Virgil or Tease or you know, fights like that

771
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: don't don't make a lot of business sense for John Taylor. Um. Yeah,

772
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: but but if if something goes wrong, if it's a cut,

773
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, that pushes it into the summer. Like I

774
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: can't see Ta Femo sitting on the bench for six months,

775
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: and you know, program fight could be is a pretty

776
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: marketable one. Like Progray talks a lot of ship too.

777
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: You know, Ta Femo talks a lot. I mean, I

778
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: would probably favor Progray at this point. But if Ta

779
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Fema goes out and blast Santa Martine out of there,

780
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: we could be talking about Ta Femo once again. Is

781
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: the guy that beat Lomachenko, this guy that you know,

782
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: the the Cambosas loss was an aberration. The Campa fight

783
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: was just to shake up the rust fight. Here he

784
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: is five pounds heavier as a top guy. That's a

785
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure if that's a pay per

786
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: view on ESPM. That's a pretty attractive fight for ESPN

787
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: to put on. No, I agree with you, Hunt said.

788
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: The only thing I'm thinking of is if you know,

789
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: top rankers obviously moving towards Devin Hainy and Vasili Lomachenko.

790
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: They want to keep that fight up pay per view.

791
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about spending a lot of money, like

792
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: in this first half of a year to put both

793
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: of those fights on ESPN. As you said, it's probably

794
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: maybe the pain would push itto pay per view doesn't

795
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: necessarily make it a pay per view fight, though a

796
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: pay per view sellable fight. Um. The only thing I

797
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: can think with a female, if he bridges the gap,

798
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: you know, assuming he wins this weekend, maybe he goes

799
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: back to fight and Jose Padrasa, if he's available, maybe

800
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: that helps him, you know, bridge that gap to get

801
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: to Josh Taylor. If Josh beats cat Roll and decides, okay,

802
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick around at a weight, that would make sense,

803
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, if I ta a female, because they're gonna

804
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: fight at one for what he seven. So that's that's

805
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: the only thing I could think. Yeah, so yeah, and

806
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: then you know it's a matter of ESPN. You know,

807
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: now you'uditioned out two pay days because they were gonna

808
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: pay for you know, Lopez and Madrassa this weekend. They

809
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: got sand in one tea. Now you're gonna have to

810
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: pay him a lot of money to to go fight

811
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: Padrasa to get to that bigger fight. You know, top ranks.

812
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: It's not top ranks problem. That program will need someone

813
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: to fight if he doesn't have pose A Ramira. So

814
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: I like to said, if they are available, and TI

815
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: a female looks like the mobile, I would love to

816
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: see Program to female the next But if not, I

817
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to Padrassa working his way back into

818
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: the next. Yeah. I don't think top rank is interested

819
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: in getting in the prograate business. But if if, if,

820
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: Ifione pushes for it, and if that fight makes a

821
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: lot of sense and could potentially be put on pay

822
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: per view, I don't know. And stranger things have certainly happened.

823
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: Uh in boxing all right, UM, a couple of things

824
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: before I let you go, I've been widely reported on

825
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: boxing scene. I was reporting it as well. Um. Ryan

826
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: Garcia has effectively settled in on Mercito Guesta as his

827
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: next opponent. Guesta is the positives of guests is a

828
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: two time title challenger, which gives him something of a resume.

829
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: The negatives is are he's been relatively inactive. It did

830
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: fight back in April, decent win against Joel Diez Jr.

831
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: But he had a lot of time off before that. Um,

832
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: he was knocked out two fights before that. He had

833
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: a draw against Carlos Morales sandwiched in between. UM. So

834
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: here's my take on this fight, Like, this is kind

835
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: of what I expected, right, Like, I didn't expect Ryan Garcia,

836
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: with Tank Davis in the offing in April, to go

837
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: out there and face a top guy at one forty, right,

838
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was gonna happen. Yeah. I look

839
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: at Guessta and I see a guy who's in the

840
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: back end of his career, thirty five years old, not

841
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: a ton of power. Does't have some knockouts without a

842
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: ton of power, especially not at this level. Um. And

843
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: he's a south ball. He's a five ft six south ball,

844
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: which at least mirrors the kind of dimensions you're likely

845
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: going to get from Jervonte Davis. I think when compared

846
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: to the fight that Davis took against textor Luis Garcia,

847
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: this looks bad, But it's not because Garcia. Hector Garcia

848
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: is a good it's a good fight. That's a pretty

849
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: good interim fight for Davis. UM, But it's not what

850
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: I It's what I expected, and I'm actually kind of

851
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: okay with it because you know, assuming both guys, the

852
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: key is getting these guys through these fights so we

853
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: can get to April and get one of the biggest

854
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: fights in boxing. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I wasn't

855
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: mad at it either. I know. There you know, every

856
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: time a Golden boyd fighter is there, like, okay, maybe

857
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: he fights for Halenaris. So unfortunately Leonards has a fight

858
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: scheduled because then they were like, well if he if

859
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: he gets out of the fight on scathed them like

860
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: if Haleonards is on scheduled, he's not getting out of

861
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: it on Scape even if he wins, There's there's no

862
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: way so that that would have been terrible. I know

863
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Hector ton of Horrors name I think came up. That

864
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: was a possibility that would have been that would have

865
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: another one that would have after watching Tona how against

866
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: the pay that would have been that Ryan could have

867
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: won easily. Yeah, and exactly, we don't want to fight.

868
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: He's not fighting someone like Williams have paid the next

869
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: So I'm perfectly fine with this, Like you said, you know,

870
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: just to mention wise and you know, you know, fighting

871
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: a left either to get the Tank. He doesn't fight

872
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: anything like Tank, but you know it's kind of spawing

873
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: session to get ready for you. Well, I'm fine with it.

874
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: I'll be in Texas. I love going to fight in Texas,

875
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: so UM I do. As long as that venue holds up.

876
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: I believe it's gonna be the same place where they

877
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: had the Misfits boxing, the Movie Center. So it's a

878
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: fun venue. So um. You know Ryan, he's doing big

879
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: business in Texas, So I I like this as to

880
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: stay busy fight. So it's not you know, it's nothing sexy,

881
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: it's acceptable. I love that it's in Austin, Big Austin. Yes,

882
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: like I'm down for that might be a Tuesday fight

883
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: week arrival for me a little bit earlier than usual. UM.

884
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: I mentioned Tank Davis, who had his press conference for

885
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: Hector Garcia. You all credit for Tank for taking this fight.

886
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you make a top ten Fighter of

887
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: the Year list, the chance Hector Luis Garcia winds up

888
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: on it because of the two wins he had, um,

889
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: you know against Chris Colbert which was a quality win

890
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: against Roger Gudierrez which won him a legit title. UM,

891
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: and thank Davis didn't have to take someone on this level,

892
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: but he did, and and I give him all the

893
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: credit in the world for that. I did find it interesting, Jake,

894
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: and we finally got the answer to the question, is

895
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: thank Davis still with Mayweather promotions? No he is not,

896
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: at least not for the moment. Thank Davis in interviews

897
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: after said, uh, you know, thank you to may with

898
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: the promotions. But I'm going to go my separate ways,

899
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: my separate way. Um, do you what information do you

900
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: have about kind of this decision? And did it surprise

901
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: you at all to see a Mayweather slash Leonard ellerby

902
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: less Tank at this press conference. Um, it didn't surprise me.

903
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: It kind of surprised me only because at one point,

904
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: I think in my name, I'm not gonna say who

905
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: it was, but at one point it was suggested that

906
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: Mayweather we're still involved in this negotiations at some point.

907
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: So that's the only part of it that surprise me. Like,

908
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: why would they bring up his name if they weren't involved.

909
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: I got the sense they were never involved at all,

910
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: so absent that note, it didn't because even back in

911
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: May like you know, it was put to me that

912
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: like even though, like Leonard wouldn't be Tanks promoter anymore.

913
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: Everyone in PBC is still kind of those business together,

914
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: so the sense was that maybe there would be some involvement.

915
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: I do like the way Tank handle that they have

916
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: the press conference. You know, he didn't slam him, he thanked.

917
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: You know, he understands Floyd's on his own mission, which

918
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't crazy about the stuff he's doing.

919
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: But you know, he's always appreciated, you know, what Leonard

920
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: has done for his career. So he handled that part classy. Um,

921
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. I like to feel like Tank

922
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: he's infoll control of his career that you know, it's um.

923
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: We hear these Shell promotions and be like, oh, you know,

924
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: it's just you know, a fake name or whatever. It's

925
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: really someone else falling the strings. Tanked always did have

926
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: an infrastructure. He has fighters signed to the GTT promotions

927
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: labeled you know, Raybone, little John is running it. He's

928
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: got Launch Shovakian you don't handling the publicity and all that.

929
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: So there is an actual infrastructure in place, and he

930
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: just seems happier, you know, he's like he's in full control.

931
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Like this feels very different than like when he's just

932
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: appeared in d C. Now he's the show. He's literally

933
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: running the show in DC. He's the star of the

934
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: of the event, and he's you know, everything's in his control. So, um,

935
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: whatever beef there is, if there's any beef with with Mayweather,

936
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: I know he's tweeted some stuff. You know, he's done

937
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: his tweeting in the leting. Um. I think he's gonna

938
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: find a way to suppress that and just you know,

939
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: move forward, like he's not going to carry all this

940
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: negative energy. He'll just he's gonna be fine moving forward

941
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: with his career. And then we just gotta see what

942
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: where Mayweather promotions uh goes. I guess maybe it was

943
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: a little surreal to not see him involved just because

944
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, they helped, you know, build him up to

945
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: become this big superstar that he is. He's obviously had,

946
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest part to do with it. But um,

947
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm happy for him. I am more curious

948
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: to see where mayb whether the promotions goes from here,

949
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: because you know, if if Roley is still on the roster,

950
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's you know, I don't know if

951
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: you can drive an event, he's more of a B side.

952
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's um. Really it was really like you know,

953
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: T G B. I guess they will get more involved

954
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: as it gets going, but this was this was the

955
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Jamonte Davis Show on Monday. Yeah, UM, I guess my

956
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: question is does it tangibly change anything when it comes

957
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: to Gervante Davis. Obviously the business side changes, but are

958
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: we now looking at a Givante Davis that is more

959
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: likely to be in cross promotional events. I mean, the

960
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: clip that's haunted Mayweather Promotions for years now is when

961
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: Floyd got that press conference and said, we ain't doing

962
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: fights outside of our circle. I'm paraphrasing a little bit there,

963
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: but he effectively said we're gonna keep things in house,

964
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: which opened Givante up to enormous criticism because it kind

965
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: of played out that way. They never looked outside the

966
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: the PBC universe. Meanwhile, as one thirty five, heated up Gravante,

967
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: even though he was making a lot of money and

968
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: popular was on the outside looking in and you you

969
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: talked to certainly more people around him than I do.

970
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: But I've always heard that that bothered Givante, like the

971
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: idea that these guys were actually taking real fights, and

972
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: Javante was kind of this appearance guy. The people came

973
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: to see Javonte and didn't really care about about who

974
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: was fighting. Do you think that there this represents a

975
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: tangible change because Gavante is the represented by al Haman,

976
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: like that Al Hayman, who is still the most powerful

977
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: figure in Jivante Davis's boxing world, remains in place. Do

978
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: you get the sense that in the second half of

979
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: this year, we're gonna see Jorvante Davis maybe going up

980
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: against Devin Haiti, maybe taking on a Shaker Stevenson, you know,

981
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: being in the kind of fights people want him in.

982
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: Even if he doesn't get those fights, I'm with you

983
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: on this path. I believe he's gonna be a lot

984
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: more vocal about making those fights happen, because he's even

985
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: admitted that he's always in a position where he never

986
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: asked for opponents. He just you know, he showed up.

987
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: He said they told him this will see a fight,

988
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, fine. So obviously he gets in

989
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: these beasts with people. But now he's in a position

990
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: where you could say, wow, this is who I want

991
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: to fight, whether or not Al says, yes, that's that's

992
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: another matter. But yeah, I do believe Javante he's going

993
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: to be sincere. He finally you know, he wanted this

994
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcie a fight last year. He got it now,

995
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: so and gretit to Ryan for you know, doing his

996
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: point to make sure it happens. So if you know,

997
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: if Devon and Kor and those guys, if you know

998
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna get their side, you know, as cooperative, then

999
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: yet we will see those fights. But I do definitely believe,

1000
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, at least Javonte he's confident now that he

1001
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: could take the lead on that. You know, once he's

1002
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: done with this and if he gets through Ryan Garcia,

1003
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: which I think he will, um, then yeah, he's gonna

1004
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: he has a straight path to say, this is who

1005
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: I want next? Not can I have this guy next?

1006
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: Oh you think he gets through Ryan Garcia? I'm not

1007
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: so sure. I have been. I've been more a critic

1008
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: of Tanks opponent choice than I have Tank. Like, look,

1009
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: he's obviously a star, and he's powerful and he's good

1010
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: and all that. I just I can't get on board.

1011
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, some people put Tank in the top

1012
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: ten pound for pound it gets wild, like you gotta

1013
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: beat somebody being the top ten pound for pound. I

1014
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: just need to see him beat someone other than you know,

1015
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: Jose Draza, somebody. I see him beat somebody on a

1016
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: high level. And I think Ryan, Look, I've always said

1017
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: this first guy to land wins in that fight, like

1018
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: it bombs away with the too, and Ryan's got the power.

1019
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: And I think tanks ever hit by anybody like Ryan,

1020
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: and Ryan probably has not been hit by anybody with

1021
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: the power of Tank either. So I think I think

1022
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: that's a coin flip type of fight. I might be

1023
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: in the minority here, but I think that's a coin

1024
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: flip type of fight. I did last thing on Tank,

1025
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: I did find, you know, when he released that email

1026
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: that Eddie Hern sent him offered him ten million bucks

1027
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: to fight Ryan. I don't think that was the Eddie

1028
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: Hern one he was looking for, Like he was offered

1029
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: ten million dollars, like and that was a guarantee. Like

1030
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were a pay per view upside to

1031
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: that potentially as well. Like I kind of read that

1032
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: and people were like, oh, you know, Eddie trying to

1033
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: steal Tank or whatever, but like you gotta offered ten

1034
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: million dollars, like, you know, Eddie has this habit of

1035
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: doing this, Like I think he said the same email

1036
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: to like Jamal Charlo as well years ago, like emailing

1037
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: guys directly. But like, if I'm Javonte, I'm not reading

1038
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: that going, no, this is dumb. I'm reading that going

1039
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: like a ten million guaranteed to fight Ryan Garcia. I

1040
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: gotta at least consider that. And I heard him say

1041
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: one of the things, like I think somebody asked him

1042
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: about cross promotional stuff. He's like, he mentioned Eddie and

1043
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: then he kind of paused him, was like, I don't know,

1044
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: I just want to be sure I don't burn bridges,

1045
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, the bridges that he has right now. But

1046
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: I do like the idea that it seems like in

1047
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: Davant's head, you know, opening up the world to to

1048
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: other promoters and other another universe is seems to be

1049
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: the seed is planted there. I think, yeah, I'm with you.

1050
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: The thing I found funnier about that was people saw that,

1051
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, with Javante posted and they're like, oh, Eddi's

1052
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: trying to steal Ryan Garcia. I'm like, no, he just

1053
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: wants to be involved in the fight and tank is

1054
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: the one who's tweeted I'm not on paper with maybe

1055
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: whether he even said that PBC what you know, didn't

1056
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: that paper on him. So if you're a promoter and

1057
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: you're reading that, like, okay, he's a free agent, I'm

1058
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna make an offer. I don't see anything wrong that

1059
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: Eddie did in that situation. So yeah, and I didn't

1060
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: want to back up. No, absolutely so, And I didn't

1061
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: want to back up my prediction. But yes, I'm picking

1062
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: Tank in the fight. It's a fifty two forty eight,

1063
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: maybe fifty forty seven. I just feel like with Deonte

1064
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: Wilder when he fights, you wait for that right hand

1065
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: to land. With Tank, it's like at something you could

1066
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: be out boxing I'm saying, which he never has been

1067
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: out boxing that extent, just one tea lands Man. It's

1068
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: just tough against that. Per say the same thing about

1069
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: Ryan though, Like I mean remember like it's it's it's

1070
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: a much lesser level. Remember when it was like all this,

1071
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: like Ryan scared Romero, Dono like didn't want to fight

1072
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: in blah blah blah. Then he comes out. I remember,

1073
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: Dono just walks into a bomb in the first round,

1074
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: to the point where because that happened and it wasn't

1075
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: a competitive fight. We have to stretch the Canelo Covalis

1076
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: pay per view start for like an hour. Was sitting

1077
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: up there doing like a round table with keith iek

1078
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: for forever. It was like that took wow. But like

1079
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: I think, you know Givant, Givantes got the power to

1080
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: to put Ryan on his back. By think Ryan's got

1081
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: that power to that speed is almost incomparable. Very few

1082
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: fighters have the kind of speed that Ryan Garcia has

1083
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: and that that's that's makes it fight great. It's why

1084
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, just please, I don't care. You can Mercedo Guesta,

1085
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: Hector Tonahara. I don't give a damn. Get him in

1086
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: the ring, let him shake the rust off. I kind

1087
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: of wish, Jake that the fight was at a lower

1088
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: weight because I want to see Ryan start to make

1089
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: his way back down towards that one limit that it's at.

1090
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: But whatever, he and Joe goosen that they know his body,

1091
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: they figured it out and we'll go from there. All right.

1092
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: Last thing for you, um, we gotta talk about the

1093
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: Beatrice Andreid making an appearance on the podium. Uh is

1094
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: he the opener of the pay per view under card.

1095
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: What I'm understanding, he's the opening taking on Tom Nicholson. Yeah,

1096
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: he is. Now it'll be I think what fourteen months

1097
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: when he gets back in the ring from that knockout

1098
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: win over Jason Quigley. Um, he dropped his middleweight title.

1099
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: Since then, his campaigning at one eight, he was saying

1100
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the same things that I've heard for

1101
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: years after the press conference, Bring me Jamal Charlo, He's

1102
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: the guy I want. Blah blah blah. Um. At the

1103
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: very least, Jake, he's with the right people now to

1104
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: make these big fights. Like if you're trying to make

1105
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: fights against Jamal Charlo, David Benevidez, Caleb Plant, you are

1106
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: now with the right promotion. So what do we know

1107
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: about like Andreid's standing within the PBC universe. Do you

1108
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: think this is a one off? Is this part of

1109
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: like a multi fight situation and is this the year

1110
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: that Dmitris Andreid gets a real fight? Yeah? I was

1111
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: gonna say, it took for you to finally give up

1112
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: on Andrei Tcharlo for that fight. So now become a reality.

1113
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: You poor you. Now you gotta you know, go through

1114
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: this all again in three So and I don't believe

1115
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: we get that fight because I just don't know what

1116
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: else there is for Jamal Tarlo, even within PBC universe.

1117
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he gets the winner of Klea

1118
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: Plant and David ben A Videz. So yeah, everything seems

1119
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: to be in place, you know, Alo, I don't know

1120
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: if he's gonna fight Carlos Adams. That's you know, who's

1121
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: gonna have to fight at some point, because that's his mandatory.

1122
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: Why not finally go fight Andreid? Especially you know, Showtime

1123
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: and PBC have been able to reel him in, you know,

1124
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: on this side of the street, so to speak. So um,

1125
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: I am happy just to see you know, Andreid's service.

1126
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: It's starting to make somebody's crazy business decisions up makes sense.

1127
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not sure I would, you know, he

1128
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: knows better than we do. But giving up as much

1129
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: as he's given up to be the opener of a

1130
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: pay per view, it's a strange decision, but it's the

1131
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: opener of a Tank Davis pay per view. So you know,

1132
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: maybe he's getting a little bit more visibility. Maybe PBC

1133
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: is promising him, Okay, we can get you a fight now,

1134
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: we can get you. I do like to be start

1135
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: in the year, you know, fighting in January. That gives hope,

1136
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, if they have the budget, maybe getting back

1137
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: in April of May, and then that puts him on

1138
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: the calendar of you know, to fight the Plant Benovitz winner.

1139
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm still holding out hope that it's gonna be. We're

1140
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: not gonna get the unification, but we'll get Andrew Charlot.

1141
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: He'll tease me on that one, teach me that it

1142
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: would be amazing if that happened, right, and he is

1143
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: that at the right weight now. So because now there's

1144
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: at one sixty eight PPC does have a lot of

1145
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: stock yet at super middleweight, so there's gonna be plenty

1146
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: of opportunity for him there. It's not just okay, well

1147
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: he's going there with him middleweight belt, and Charlo is

1148
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: your only option. He can he can have his pick

1149
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: a litter at one sixty years. He could do a lot.

1150
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he could fight David Morrell for that make

1151
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: believe belt that Morrell's got um winner or loser of

1152
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: Plant Benavidez. But Charlo still makes the most sense. Like

1153
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: Charlo's out there. Yeah, he's doing something. He's weirdly like

1154
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: challenging Dmitri beavil Pit that events like what are you doing?

1155
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: People's not gonna fight you, and and doesn't really have

1156
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: as far as I know, as nothing on the books.

1157
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: He said he was coming back in Fedbrure effort, nothing

1158
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: of that of antional point in February at least um

1159
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: and he's still holding that w BC belt, which it

1160
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: might be two years before he defends it, since he

1161
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: beat Montiela June of that year. But look one seventy five.

1162
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: I don't care give me Charlo Andreid. I've already told

1163
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: people at showtime, I'll be happily, happily be a unpaid

1164
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: like contributor. If you need me just like to give

1165
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: some context behind this rivalry, I will just show up.

1166
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: I'll stare at a camera and I will tell you

1167
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: why this is the biggest fight in boxing, baby, which

1168
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: is exactly what I said in November of last year.

1169
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Jake, Always appreciate your time, man, great work.

1170
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: Read Jake stuff on Boxing Scene, follow him on Twitter.

1171
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: Appreciate you joining me man, Thank you, Chris. Always pleasure

1172
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: to be on the show. And when we come back.

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Speaker 1: and we'll go for his second straight win on Saturday

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Speaker 1: when he takes on Sandal Martin at the Theater at

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Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. That's the fight you could watch on

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Speaker 1: ESPN immediately after the Heisman Ceraphone ceremony and Vimo is

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00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: back on the show. So dam fim you just telling

1203
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: me you're feeling pretty good right now headed in this fight.

1204
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: I am, I am man. I'm truly excited about the

1205
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: this upcoming fight against Santa Martin. You know, Um, he

1206
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: has definitely the skill sets to give me a tough

1207
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: fight and I'm looking forward to really challenging myself come

1208
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: to summer tents. So why are you excited about this

1209
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: particular fight. Well, this was the fight that we wanted

1210
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: at the time because everyone else was occupied with other

1211
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: dance partners, you know, and um, you know, so this

1212
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: was the best opportunity. You know, this is somebody that

1213
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: definitely came out of you know, he pulled a big upset.

1214
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, he kind of disrupted it a little bit

1215
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: of the boxing game. And um, you know, this guy

1216
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: came out of the bloom. You know, he beat a

1217
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: decorated fighter, one of the best Mexican fighters that we've

1218
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: seen of this era, Mikey Garcia for divisional champion. Um,

1219
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: and you know, he he did what he had to do.

1220
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: So I think this is a great, great step up.

1221
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad that things turned out the way it did.

1222
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: And um, you know, you know, we wish nothing but

1223
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: the best for Jose Pedraza. We wish him health. You know,

1224
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: we understand he had non COVID symptoms, but this was

1225
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: the guy that we originally wanted and we got him. Yeah.

1226
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: I was at that fight in Fresno when Martin beat

1227
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: Mikey Garcia, and that was as shocking and upset as

1228
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: I've seen in a while. I Mean, Santa Martine, I

1229
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 1: think was like twenty five to one as another dog,

1230
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: and and he pulled it off. I mean when when

1231
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: you went back in and I'm sure you watched at

1232
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: some point, but when you saw how he fought in

1233
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: that fight, what did you think? Um, you know, that's

1234
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 1: interesting that you asked that though, because we were actually

1235
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: going to the fight to see it live, you know, first,

1236
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: and then that's when me and Devon Hanian and our

1237
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: fathers had gruffles. You know, that's when we're going back

1238
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: and forth face to face. Um. But you know, you

1239
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: know when we got there, we got there a bit

1240
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: too late and they announced the winner when it came

1241
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: to all the fights and everything in his style, my coach,

1242
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, my father, he's watching him really keeping the

1243
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: keeping the real insights or what he has that we

1244
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: could really Uh how can I say, um, having a

1245
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: manage on and uh, you know what I could say

1246
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: is that what he capitalizes a lot is he likes

1247
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: the ropes. You know, that's his defensive mechanism to to

1248
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: keep on. So there's a lot of things, but you

1249
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: know everyone needs to just tune in, you know, on ESPN,

1250
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, so that you guys can see what we

1251
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: really can't do to fighters like that as well. That's right.

1252
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: That was the day when you and Devin Haney were

1253
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: going back, if I want up in the middle of

1254
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: that somehow, you know, trying to to figure out how

1255
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: to make that conversation work. Uh's we don't need to

1256
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: talk about that now, but you two have to dance.

1257
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: At some point, you and Devon d forty pounds whatever

1258
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: Devon gets up there, that to happen, right absolutely. You know, listen,

1259
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm at the forty division. We we understand that Devon

1260
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: is gonna eventually move up to one forty as well.

1261
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: So you know, listen, sorry for the way everyone just

1262
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: has to wait and see, you know, with time. So

1263
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: you're coming off your first win at one forty against

1264
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: Pedro Kampa. How did you feel about that performance? Um?

1265
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, like just cleaning up the ring rust, that's

1266
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: all I was. You know, you know there's certain things

1267
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: that I know that I had to take with me,

1268
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: uh to understand that. You know, it's just part of

1269
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: the game. You know. I haven't really fought consecutive like

1270
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: how I am now since two thousand nineteen. You know,

1271
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: I was fighting. I would fight like two to three times,

1272
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, um, and and then after the pandemic hit

1273
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: and everything, it was only funny once a year, you know.

1274
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: So that definitely slows down the momentum and slows down

1275
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: my consistency on what what we we're trying to do.

1276
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: So this time around when I came into facing Kampa,

1277
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, tough veteran, and then you know, after what

1278
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: happened in you know, I blew my whole organs out

1279
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: inside you know, my intestine, like basically everything inside and

1280
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: and what does that do? You know? Um, I just

1281
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: made me realize I gotta just train harder, fight harder.

1282
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: And that's what I performed that night. You know, I

1283
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: just have fun. You know I missed that, I miss

1284
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: having fun in my in my sport. You know. Uh

1285
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: for four years, for four years, I wasn't having fun,

1286
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: and look what I did in those four years. So

1287
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: I imagine now I'm having fun. My body is comfortable,

1288
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: my my body is finally happy. Like okay, finally, bro,

1289
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: I wanted this two years ago. Now we're getting it now.

1290
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: So don't worry. We just stay active and and that's

1291
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: why you guys are gonna get the best version of

1292
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: to your female Now, why why are you having fun now?

1293
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: And maybe you weren't having fun before because you were

1294
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: very successful over the last four years, quickly rising to

1295
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: the world champion at one thirty five, beating Visil Lomachenko.

1296
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: Why now do you say you're having fun because now

1297
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm giving everything all to the sport. I'm

1298
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: not dividing it. I'm not giving my time to to

1299
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: uh to you know, my family, into my spouse or

1300
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: anyone like that. I'm literally giving it to to my sport,

1301
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 1: you know, having fun with it the thing that really

1302
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: created my life, you know, the thing that saved my life, really,

1303
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, so those are the things boxing saved my life.

1304
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: And all I could do now is just really take

1305
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: that in into consideration. You know, I had to learn,

1306
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, my failures are are what's gonna bring my

1307
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: successes out even more so. Yes, I'm glad that everything

1308
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: turned out the way it did. You know what I'm saying. Before,

1309
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I did not like it, you know,

1310
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. I hated failure. I hated it with a passion.

1311
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: And of course I'm not happy with it. Everybody fail. Now,

1312
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. What I'm saying though, it's

1313
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: not failure. What it is really it's um it's the

1314
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 1: consistency of understanding that you only really fail when you quit.

1315
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: And and I've turned I've I've turned the table on

1316
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: that now and and It's made me realize and I've

1317
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: been staying more positive because of it. Yeah, and and look,

1318
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to be able to know what you

1319
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: were going through a year ago, which is around and

1320
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: around what it was when you had that cambosis lost,

1321
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: but having covered you for a long time, you could

1322
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: tell you were going through a lot, you know, going

1323
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: into that fight, like emotionally, mentally, physically of course, going

1324
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: into that fight, getting down to that weight. Um from

1325
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: a mental perspective, from where you are at personally perspective,

1326
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: How different are things for you now compared to what

1327
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: they were a year ago? Huge difference. Man, I feel

1328
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: like I M to be honest. Man, last year I

1329
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: died twice. Man, you know I literally died twice just

1330
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: so I could come back the third time to do

1331
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: it right. You know. That's that's really what happened. You know.

1332
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: I had to go through these, uh, dark times and

1333
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: rough times. I think we all go through them, but

1334
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not about how we go through them,

1335
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: it's how we come out of them. And uh, and

1336
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: I think that was just really that key fact that

1337
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: I think it was really I let everyone else dictate

1338
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: how I should move my life. When I think I'm

1339
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: doing I think I'm doing just right, you know, with

1340
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: my decisions and the thing, I don't know everything, you know,

1341
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to. However, I feel like I carry

1342
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: myself well enough to know that at least with this

1343
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: the sport that I do with these hands, because I'm

1344
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: not trying with these hands, I know I can handle myself.

1345
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: And if I can handle myself with these hands, and

1346
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: I should handle myself up here as well. And that

1347
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: was a big difference maker. But I had to really

1348
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: settle it in listen, um, you know that was that

1349
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: was it, you know, And and training harder. My purpose

1350
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: really is that it's like the more I'm in the gym,

1351
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: the more I stay crazy in this you know, go in,

1352
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: I go in, you know, Um, it's gonna really set

1353
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: the tone for me to to too greater heights. Did

1354
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: you feel after the campus fight there were things that

1355
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: you had to clean up in the gym. I saw

1356
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people suggested maybe you were hit a

1357
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: little bit too much in that fight, and I was

1358
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: ringside for it. I thought you'd put your performed pretty well.

1359
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: You didn't have to shake some rust off, and you

1360
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: were getting used to to a new weight. But when

1361
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: you assessed the way that you fought, were there things

1362
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: you have worked on over the last few months getting

1363
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: ready for this fight? Absolutely? I work on I work

1364
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: on perfecting my craft every time. You know. The thing

1365
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: was like Bruce Lee says, you know, he doesn't fear

1366
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: the man that knows ten thousand kicks. He fears the

1367
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: man that has practiced one kick that ten thousand times.

1368
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: And and that's what I did this whole year. This

1369
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: whole year was a turnaround. I practiced on one thing

1370
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over and

1371
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: over again, you know. And that was the whole key.

1372
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: It was just, uh, it was that these things teach me.

1373
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: But I how did I learn? How did the grades

1374
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: like Jordan, how did the grades like like like Tyson,

1375
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson, How did the grades like Tiger Woods? How

1376
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: did they become great and greater? They had to fail

1377
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: and and and and people are so s they shy

1378
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: away from it. And and I allowed, I allowed others

1379
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: around my circle to even get to me, you know,

1380
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: like that was the problem. You know, now it's a

1381
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: difference maker. I'm setting the tone. I'm actually gonna be

1382
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: the one that frontier to say, you know what, yes,

1383
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: this is my team, but when I go in that ring,

1384
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: it is just myself defending my team. So I gotta

1385
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: go out there and put on a show. I'm the

1386
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: leader of this new generation. I spoke on this before

1387
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna continue to speak on it because no

1388
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: one is willing to step up to the real truth.

1389
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: And no matter what it takes, no matter how many

1390
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: cuts I have to go through, I'm willing to take

1391
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: him for the right reasons. You're right about failure too.

1392
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody points to the Michael Jordan's finals record.

1393
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: What they don't talk about is the number of times

1394
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: you got beat in the first round during the nineteen

1395
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: eighties with Larry Bird, and you know, others were kicking

1396
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: his ass during that time, and he learned from that

1397
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: and he got better from that. And in boxing, we

1398
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: we do this too much, where we we put too

1399
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: much emphasis on one loss. Only one all time great

1400
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: has the perfect record. Everybody else has five losses, nineteen

1401
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: losses in the case of Sugar Ray Robinson, who is

1402
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: maybe the greatest fighter of all time. It's just it's crazy,

1403
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: and what fighter and what do we always receive as

1404
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: Fighter of the Years. We received the what Sugar Ray

1405
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: Robinson Award with the with the brass and all that,

1406
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, because I have one myself, so I'm I'm

1407
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: appreciative of that, you know. But that's what that's what

1408
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: it is. And look, that's why everything happens for its reasons.

1409
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: God does not make no mistakes with any of us.

1410
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: No one else took the chance I did. So what

1411
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: did that come to terms with? You gotta take this

1412
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: defeat to Champ. You know why you're gonna change the

1413
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: narrative that Floyd put on everyone else. I love you, Floyd,

1414
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: and there's no no hard feelings. It's just really it's

1415
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: a new era and and and everyone has an era.

1416
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: This right now is my era. And then my error

1417
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: is gonna pass. My time is gonna pass. But I'll

1418
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: be damned if I don't give it to the next

1419
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna take up. That's what it's about. You

1420
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: pass the torch. But that's why we call ourselves to

1421
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: take over, because they wasn't passing the torch no more.

1422
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: They wanted to keep it. Now the takeover said, f this,

1423
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: and I'm grabbing this torch whether it burns my hand

1424
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: or not. And we're gonna keep holding it on until

1425
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: the next guy comes up. These next generation is next

1426
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: kids that are out there, that's that's working their butt off,

1427
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: that's listening to this right now. Stay in the gym,

1428
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, working butt off. Don't tell don't anyone that

1429
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,479
Speaker 1: tells you you can't do something, it's because they're scared

1430
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: of you. They can't do it themselves. You know, when

1431
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: someone says I can't do something, that's like, no, you

1432
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: can't do it. I can and I will and I

1433
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: am those terms. It's it's like Steve. It's like Steve

1434
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: Harvey said, instead of saying I have to go to work, no,

1435
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: I get to go to work. There's a big difference

1436
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: in just one word. Our tongue is very powerful. And

1437
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: I can't wait to put on the show. I can't

1438
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: wait to really look. We can't like I'm afraid this.

1439
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: We can't just act no more. We must do And

1440
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: the summer tenth, all this that I'm talking about is

1441
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: not gonna be anything unless I do what I gotta

1442
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: do against this guy sand the Martin, and I promise

1443
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: you I'm a I'm gonna hurt them so bad because

1444
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: it needs to be It needs to be heard. You

1445
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: will get what I'm saying. I don't need anyone to

1446
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: listen to me no more. It needs to be heard,

1447
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: and then that's what I'm gonna bring to the table. Listen, man,

1448
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: I have everything in my power to beat these guys,

1449
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: and all I gotta do is just stay in lane

1450
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: with myself and I love the platform for you to

1451
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: which you fought on this day before, right after the

1452
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy. There's so many people watching. It's such it's

1453
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: just such a great opportunity. I know that money matters

1454
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: the most in boxing, but getting all those eyeballs on

1455
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: you like that, that is huge that it really is

1456
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: long term only going to help the growth for you.

1457
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: Before I let you go, You're in what I think

1458
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: is at least top three divisions in all of boxing

1459
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: right now. One forty is really good. It's gonna get

1460
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: even better in the next couple of years as guys

1461
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: move up. What is the Tea Femo Lopez hit list

1462
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: look like? What is like? What are you eyeballing the

1463
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: most um in? Well? God willing the whole game plan

1464
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: for this one, God willing. You know I come out

1465
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: healthy in this fight, no injuries. Uh, we capitalize on

1466
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: that and we focus on three next year. You know,

1467
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: we're looking at somewhere April May um and then in

1468
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: the summertime and then back msg Heisman Night. You know,

1469
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: these are my things. You know, it took me a while.

1470
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: It took me two years to make this my night.

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01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: Well actually longer, we're in twe two. It took me,

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01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: I would say four years. It took me four years.

1473
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: It took me four years to get to Heisman Night

1474
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: to become my night. And you know what, that's great.

1475
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: It took me those times for a reason. And it

1476
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: takes everything built Rome wasn't building a day, you know

1477
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So my my headless is Josh Taylor.

1478
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: You know, we want him in the UK. We want

1479
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: to fight them, you know, and and and maybe the

1480
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: best man win against Catro and him um, and then

1481
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: after that we definitely want pro grace. You know, I

1482
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: know these guys listen. Uh, these guys could talk all

1483
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: they want, but like I said, the words and the

1484
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: tongues are powerful. When they say if and when they

1485
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: say maybe that's just cockiness, that's not confidence. When I said,

1486
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: my father said I was gonna beat Mchenko. I agreed

1487
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: with him. I said, yes, we will. And what we did,

1488
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: we beat Lemon Ankle. There's a big difference. And you

1489
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: know what, that's something that they can't they can't they

1490
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: can't learn. You know, you can't even teach that. You

1491
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: either have it or you don't, you know. So that's

1492
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: why these guys even pushed like, uh, I don't know

1493
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: if I could be at this weight anymore, you know,

1494
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: because the takeover is coming in and they know it,

1495
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: and we're gonna come and take everything that they thought

1496
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: they could have and has become two time on the

1497
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: Speedy World champions Um and and and you know, I

1498
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: have a surprise for everybody after the fight. You know,

1499
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call out some names that that people are

1500
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: definitely gonna want to see. I mean, the names you

1501
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: mentioned are great like that. That's a hit list in

1502
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: a half right there. That is fighter of the Year

1503
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: type stuff again in three if you if you get

1504
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: through those fights. I'm curious though, what happens with like Taylor.

1505
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: I assume he'd stay at one forty to fight you,

1506
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: because it's not a lot there for him at seven.

1507
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: But if Jose Ramirez, who I don't think it's gonna

1508
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: fight pro Grae for his next fight, Like if he

1509
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: backs out, you're the next mandatory for for You're the

1510
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 1: fucking take that instantly. That's that was my question, Like

1511
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: would you take that if? Absolutely? Absolutely? What? Yeah, I'll

1512
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: be a world champion right away. You're talking about right

1513
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: after this. This is it. You know, God's playing not mine,

1514
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So this is all about

1515
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: just staying consistent. Really, you know, these guys gotta these

1516
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: guys got a handful with me, you know, and they

1517
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: know it. You know, they're all they're all wolves. But

1518
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm a sheep dog. I'm a sheep dog and I'm

1519
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: coming for everybody. You know what I'm saying. This is

1520
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: how we do it, and we do it. We love

1521
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: peace and and and just fighting. We fight. We fight

1522
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: to death, you know, and that's what it is. I

1523
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: think the thing that these guys don't understand is that

1524
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: are you willing? Are you truly willing to die for this?

1525
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: Because I am. And if I didn't show it against

1526
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: the camp U fight or the Combusive fight, then you've

1527
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: got something else to see. Then well it's great to

1528
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: have you back, man, Great to have be active again,

1529
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: fighting for the second I'm in just four months. Uh say,

1530
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: everybody mad right now. I don't blame them, ship, I

1531
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: don't blame him. I'll be mad if I was, if

1532
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 1: I wasn't to your female neither. Look, we headlining Madison

1533
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: Square Garden. Shout out to my MSG fan, Shout out

1534
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: to the staff members and everybody across the board. Listen, man,

1535
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: I'll say like this, Man, I'm so thankful, I'm grateful.

1536
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: This is all my fruits of labor. This is all

1537
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: from the hard work and the cuts and the bruises

1538
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: and just doing it. No, there's no right way, there's

1539
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,560
Speaker 1: no wrong way. Just doing it hard, that's it. Just

1540
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: taking it in for what it is, swallowing those hard

1541
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: pills that you gotta swallow, swallowing my pride, swallowing my ego,

1542
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: and just understanding that this is what it's gotta be.

1543
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: That's it, you know what I'm saying. So nobody else

1544
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: wants to do it. Everybody wants to look rich. Now

1545
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to your fem wants to be wealthy. San

1546
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: Femo Lopez Sandor Martin Madson Square Garden Heisman night on ESPN.

1547
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: We'll see you there, Tan Female, Good luck, buddy, you

1548
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: got it. Thank you, Manix and when we come back.

1549
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: This week's picks brought to you by Fan Duel. All right,

1550
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: time now for this week's picks brought to you by

1551
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Not a great week for me last week.

1552
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 1: I'll cop to that right away. I told you to

1553
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: take Chocolate Tito by decision. Lan Francisco Astrada beat him,

1554
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: close fight, but Estrada deserved that decision. Probably should have

1555
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: known better after Estrada got the benefit of the doubt

1556
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: from the judges in their last fight. But the combination

1557
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: of how good Chocolateito looked against Julio Caesar Martinez plus

1558
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: how bad Estrada looked against Argue Cortez, I just thought

1559
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: Chocolate Tito was gonna pull it out. Almost did. Rallied

1560
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: the second half of that fight, made it really close,

1561
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: but Astrata won that. I will stick a flyer on

1562
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: the day of the fight on Carmona against Martinez. Carmona

1563
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 1: almost one big. He was an eight to one underdog

1564
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: when I placed my bet. He was up like four

1565
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: one through five rounds. That broke his hand. He broke

1566
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: his hand, can only with one hand the rest of

1567
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: the fight. That ruined my chances of a big payday.

1568
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 1: So my apologies for last week. We're gonna get back

1569
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: on track though this week, because this week we're locked

1570
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: in on the Josh Warrington Luis Lopez fight over in

1571
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: the UK. You could bet Terrence Crawford, but that's not

1572
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,919
Speaker 1: gonna win you much. You could bet Ta Female Lopez,

1573
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: but that's not gonna win you much. This fight, if

1574
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: you go a little bit bigger, has a chance to

1575
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: win you some money. And I'm pretty confident in my

1576
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: pick here. I'm taking Josh Warrington to win right now.

1577
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: He's at minus one fifty six over at fan Duel,

1578
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: so he's a slight favorite against Luis Alberto Lopez. I

1579
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: keep hearing all this talk about Luis Lopez is the

1580
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: next Mauricio Laura, and you remember Mauricio Laura stopped Josh

1581
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: Warrington a couple of years ago, beat him up pretty

1582
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: bad in their fight. I just don't see it. I mean,

1583
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: Lopez has got some power fifteen knockouts on his twenty

1584
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: six wins, but the guys he's fighting or just not great,

1585
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't think he's on the level

1586
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 1: of Josh Warrington. Now, I think Warrington might be a

1587
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: little bit gun shy in a fight like this, so

1588
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna go to war with Lopez.

1589
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: I do think he's the better boxer. I do think

1590
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,839
Speaker 1: he defends his title and I think he doesn't by decisions.

1591
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for a bet to make a

1592
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 1: little bit of money on, take Josh Warrington by points

1593
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: or decision. That's plus one oh five right now over

1594
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: at FanDuel. Josh Warrington defends his title against Lopez, wins

1595
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 1: by decision, and we get back on track. That's it

1596
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: for this week's episode. My thanks to Jake Donovan and

1597
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: Tea Female. Lopez but joined the show as always, Subscribe, rate,

1598
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,919
Speaker 1: review this podcast on Apple, podcast, Spotify, wherever you download podcast,

1599
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: and I'll see you next week.