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Speaker 2: Fall awork one day because I just stayed so, you know,

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Speaker 3: Welcome Episode four thirty seven Terry Clark. I don't think

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Speaker 3: i'd ever met Terry. I feel like I had known Terry.

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Speaker 3: You know what's funny too. When Terry left, Eddie was

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Speaker 3: goes competition. Huh. I was like what and he was like,

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Speaker 3: you have a little beef competition? I was like, what

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Speaker 3: and I didn't even think about that. So now I'm angry.

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Speaker 3: So now we're not putting it out. No, no, no, But

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Speaker 3: I guess, you know, I've just heard such wonderful things

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Speaker 3: I started to feel guilty I was keeping her too long,

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Speaker 3: But I just like hanging out and I liked hearing

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Speaker 3: But Terry Clark's awesome. She's had, you know, six number

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Speaker 3: ones over twenty singles. We talked about she grew up

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Speaker 3: in Medicine Hat Alberta, Canada. One of the coolest towns

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Speaker 3: I've ever heard of. Medicine hat. Is there a medicine hat? Like,

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Speaker 3: what's the medicine hat named after? Was there a medicine

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Speaker 3: in the Canadian Music Hall of Fame. She's also been

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Speaker 3: this year she goes back and does her twenty year

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Speaker 3: But I think we said enough where people know what's

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Speaker 3: up at Terry Clark music on Instagram. Had a really

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Speaker 3: good time here she is Terry Clark. Were you wearing

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Speaker 3: your hat when you drove in? Because I felt like

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Speaker 3: I saw a silhouette of you and your hat when

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Speaker 3: you came to the gate. Were you wear in that

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Speaker 2: I think I was wearing it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's a pretty uh intimidating silhouette because you

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Speaker 3: drive through because I beat the gate open, and I

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Speaker 2: It could have been Beyonce, you know, it could have been.

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Speaker 3: But you have what I can pull off at times too,

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Speaker 3: is I have such a signature like extra party, which

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Speaker 2: Oh fully, yeah, it's I can. I can walk through

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Speaker 2: I just played literally half an hour before, and nobody

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Speaker 3: It is such a part of your performance identity. The

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Speaker 2: I don't. I feel like, especially at a time when

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Speaker 2: It sets me apart, and I'm grateful for it, in fact,

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Speaker 2: Oh that's who sings that song, Oh, it's for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know you're still I could identify you

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We'll keep this saying. But did you do the typical

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Speaker 2: Basically they we all decided it was just time for

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Speaker 3: Who is with you?

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Speaker 2: My mom, Linda and her friend Pat. Pat was driving.

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Speaker 2: Then she's solid until we found out she had pot

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, kind of derailed the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've told anybody that yet, but I

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Speaker 2: So we crossed the border, and the border agents looking

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Speaker 3: Just with your guitar, totally to play songs. Why you

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Speaker 2: And so Pat's like the grand ol Opry.

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Speaker 1: We're going to go see the grand Ole Opry.

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Speaker 2: So they thought these three broads are on the way

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Speaker 3: So when you're moving down, is that you're such a teenager? Right?

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Speaker 3: You're eighteen or nineteen years old? And where did you

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Speaker 3: My grandma was a big, big country music fan. How

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Speaker 2: Well, my grandparents on my mom's side were professional country

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Speaker 3: Watch it?

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Speaker 2: It aired at Oh my gosh, you don't look old

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Speaker 3: I'm sixty one.

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Speaker 1: You're aging very well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Crick and Chase this week in country music you're

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Speaker 3: When you moved to town, did you take a job

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Speaker 2: Well? One needs a Social Security number green card to

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Speaker 2: I moved. I moved down and my mom. I have

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Speaker 2: We found that situation, and then before my mom and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doors open anyway, I get up, and this guy's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So they offered me a job playing for fifteen

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Speaker 1: You'll find her dead in the dumpster.

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Speaker 2: So Pat, my mom's friend, Pat, who drove us down,

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's not what you want to hear.

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Speaker 2: that they asked me to take a night shift because

439
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,320
Speaker 2: somebody didn't show up and I didn't tell her. I said,

440
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 2: I can only do this if somebody drives me and

441
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 2: drops me off at home, like you have to come

442
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,359
Speaker 2: get me. So they did. Yeah, the bouncer would come

443
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 2: get me. I can't remember his name. Very nice man.

444
00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 4: Hang ty the Bobby Cast. We'll be right back. Wow,

445
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

446
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 3: How long the shifts? Did you play?

447
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: Four hours? And I would take you know, I would

448
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 2: take a break every hour for ten minutes or something.

449
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 3: Did you feel like that was such an integral part

450
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 3: of your musical journey in that you had to play

451
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 3: four hours, even if it's covers you know you'd read about.

452
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 3: I think the famous example is the Beatles when they

453
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 3: were playing in like Hamburg, Germany, and they played for

454
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,719
Speaker 3: seven hours a night and they were like, listen all

455
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 3: the things that we did, but we really became the

456
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 3: artist that we are. Was having to grind out seven

457
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 3: hours because we're having to play covers. We're having to

458
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 3: quickly learn doing that for four hours. Did you just

459
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 3: learn how to be a bit more improvisational?

460
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 2: Yes? And because I was solo, like, this is just

461
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 2: me and a guitar, right, this was but Tutsi's didn't

462
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: have a lot of bands back then. It was all

463
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 2: solo artists. A they didn't want to pay for band

464
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: and it wasn't this big loud party scene that it

465
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: is now. It was. It was a lot of tourists

466
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 2: coming in, but you know, country didn't have the young

467
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 2: college crowd like they did like they do now. So

468
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: it was and the guy who let me sit in

469
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 2: on his set, it was just him and his guitar.

470
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: So I would sit and I get a lot of

471
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 2: requests for Patsy Klein and the Rett Lynn and whatever

472
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 2: was hot on the radio at the time, and I

473
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 2: was playing Tennessee Flat Top Box, Roseanne cash Version and

474
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 2: Randy Travis. This is this is before Alan Jackson or

475
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: Garth or Clint or any of that. So it was

476
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 2: very much the juds and the early Reba stuff and

477
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 2: classic country.

478
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 3: Did you kind I did of know what people were

479
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: going to request, like because even though there were different people,

480
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 3: usually it was the same same group of songs, right.

481
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: And I had sat, you know, in my kitchen and

482
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 2: in my bedroom and Alberta playing everybody's songs so much

483
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 2: and learning so much. I was prepared. I had a

484
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 2: plastic binder just full of lyrics and songs that I

485
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: had been already singing, so I pretty much had a

486
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: pretty good handle on it when I got that job.

487
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: When did you start creating instead of playing and performing?

488
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 3: Because you're here now it's time to be your own.

489
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: When did that start?

490
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: I was starting that back in Alberta. I was really,

491
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: you know, dabbling in songwriting. I mean, and of course

492
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't have the creative community that Nashville does, so

493
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: I was writing by myself and you know, essentially, so

494
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 2: I was. I wrote a couple of decent songs when

495
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 2: I was a teenager, and then when I got to Nashville,

496
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: I hooked up with a guy named Woody Bowles who

497
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: was a manager. He was one of the Judds first

498
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: managers with ken Stilts and he heard me sing, and

499
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 2: he kind of directed me towards a couple of publishers

500
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 2: that helped me put me with some co writers and stuff,

501
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: and helped groom me as a songwriter a little bit.

502
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: And I wrote a few songs that were actually wound

503
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: up on my first album for Mercury from from that time,

504
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: and I had gotten married and I was able to

505
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: actually I got my green card and I was able

506
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: to actually start working real jobs. And I worked at

507
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: Applebee's over at I twenty four and whatever that road

508
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: is over there. I'm all turned around. Nashal's changed so much,

509
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't know where I am half the time. So

510
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: I worked at Applebee's and bartended and had day jobs

511
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: and worked at a bootstore for a while, and he

512
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: and I just kind of were trying to eke out

513
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: a living, and I was I would go after my

514
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 2: waitressing shift and I'd go down to Music Row in

515
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: my car. That was I now had a car. Blue

516
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: smoke everywhere, but I had a car and go down

517
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: and I would write until about ten o'clock at night.

518
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: So I'd go wait tables during the day and then

519
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: i'd go down to Music Row and do some writing

520
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: and co writing, and wouldn't get home sometimes till ten

521
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: or eleven o'clock.

522
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 3: So you're if you're playing anywhere, like you're doing covers

523
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: or where you're tootsies or so you're doing that, were

524
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: you riding at the same time, Cause again that it's

525
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: two versions of music, right, You're having to learn songs

526
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 3: from other people so you can pay your rent if

527
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 3: you don't get to watch the two year old or whatever,

528
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 3: however old the kid is now three or four. But

529
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: then at the same time you have to go and

530
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: then you have to write. Yeah, and again different muscle. Yeah,

531
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: they're very close to each other. But were you able

532
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: to do that? We're able to play and do a

533
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: bunch of covers to make a living and then write

534
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: at the same time or did you have to separate

535
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 3: them a bed? Oh?

536
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And because a lot of the covers and a

537
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: lot of the artists I were covering were inspiring what

538
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: I was writing, because they were influencing me and that

539
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: music and I kind of found my wheelhouse there and

540
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: what kind of things I wanted to say, and musically,

541
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: musical range and melodies that really resonated with me. I'm

542
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: not saying you know, we all copy a little bit

543
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: from this and that, but I call it more like

544
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: finding inspiration. So yeah, there were two minds. But I

545
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: would throw some original stuff in the TUTSI set from

546
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 2: time to time.

547
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: Would they like you to do that or were they

548
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 3: like just play the hits kids?

549
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 2: They would they liked it because I would also set

550
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: it up. And I wrote this song, you know, and

551
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: I'm an eighteen year old drinking diet coke because I'm

552
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: not supposed to be drinking. And you know, it was

553
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: in a way that they also, I think, were enamored

554
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: by this kid sitting down on skid row with a guitar.

555
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: And I had a lot of protectors and people also,

556
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, kind of looking out for me that would

557
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 2: sit down there. And this one guy, his name was

558
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: Sir Lawrence was his nickname, and he's passed on recently,

559
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: but he was this great, big tattooed guy with an

560
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: eight ball tattooed on the top of his head, and

561
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: he looked like he would just rip you apart. He would.

562
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: He came in one day and he was sitting at

563
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: the bar and he was like one of very few

564
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: people there, and I'm singing right to him and he's

565
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: just got I start singing Patsy Klein and he just

566
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: started bawling and tears are rolling down his face and

567
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: he just became he was a fan, and he became

568
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: a protector, and he said, you need to go and

569
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: be singing at Gillies up on Music Row. There was

570
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: a Gillies up on Music Row where all the statue

571
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 2: of all the naked people ares right right there on

572
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: that corner, and they had a beer garden and they

573
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: had people singing for tips in there. So he had

574
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: me go meet the owner of that the music guy

575
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: of that place. So I went and played up there

576
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: for a while too, my very first set playing.

577
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: He made that introduction.

578
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: He made that introduction.

579
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: He used to drive me. He started taking me home

580
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't have to take the bus here and there,

581
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 2: because he had a car or a van that he

582
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: was actually living in. He would drive me home in

583
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: the van.

584
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: Wow, I know, and like like awesome and also at

585
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: the same time.

586
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah it was I could.

587
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. There were characters at Gillies, and they had an

588
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: actual parking lot there, so a lot of their entertainers

589
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: were also living in the parking lot in their cars

590
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: and stuff, Elvis impersonators like, I'm not kidding you, Bobby,

591
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: it's it's the one guy. Yeah. His name was Sonny,

592
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: and he sounded exactly like Elvis, but swore that was

593
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: his voice.

594
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: That wasn't an effect, That's how he really talked.

595
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: No, he said he was trying to be.

596
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 3: All yeah, but I'm saying he was like saying that

597
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: that was really him.

598
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: He was trying to make like that was really him.

599
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: And so my first gig there at Gillies, I went

600
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: to try it out and they only paid me seven

601
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: dollars a day, but they swore the tips would be better,

602
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: which they were.

603
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: Not, so he made half the money in the time

604
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: were money.

605
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: But I just thought I'd try a different experience. And

606
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: my first day there, this this guy comes in and

607
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of a Patsy Klein song and

608
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: he drops dead of a heart attack right in the

609
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: mid of me singing like just.

610
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 3: Like physically physically saw him down.

611
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: Yes, he just and I just kept going. I didn't

612
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: know what happened. I'm eighteen. I'm like, the show must

613
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: go on, right, And the song ends and the ambulances

614
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: show up, and I'm like anytime anybody says just go

615
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: out there and kill him, I'm like, you, she really

616
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: shouldn't tell me that actually happened one time. It's not funny,

617
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: but it was just the experiences during that time. You

618
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: couldn't make you couldn't make this shit up that was

619
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: going on, and the town was so different. There was

620
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: a spaghetti deli upstairs above a wax museum.

621
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 3: It's weird to you talk about back in the day

622
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: because you don't you're like and the hope this is

623
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: a compliment too. You're like legendary, but you're not old.

624
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: It's like a weird cue. You're like this, this weird

625
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: because you're like back in the eighteen hundreds in Nashville,

626
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: and it's like, you can't you don't even look you're

627
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: it's a people admire you, and obviously with this duet's project,

628
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: you got to ask people to sing with you, and

629
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 3: I'm sure people were just sprinting toward it because you know,

630
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: you're so revered in this community. But also you're not

631
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: a hundred. It's crazy to hear you talk about old Nashville.

632
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: But it makes sense if you were.

633
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: Eighteen right, oh yeah, because you.

634
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: Were you were doing that when times were completely different here,

635
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 3: but you were, you were a kid too, Yeah, that would.

636
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: Be crazy for your I go to music row now

637
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: and I stand there and I look around, and I'm like,

638
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: this just isn't Even if you were to take eighteen

639
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: year old me and stick me down on the Mumbrian

640
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: right now and take the bag off my head and

641
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: say look around and tell me where you are, I

642
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to tell you where I was.

643
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: What do you like about eighteen year old you? Oh?

644
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: The hunger, the passion, the create, the creative sponge that

645
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: I was, the drive and I still have that, but

646
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: it's never the same as it is when you're just Yeah,

647
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: that that determination that I want to I just want

648
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: to just want a chance to show people what I

649
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: can do.

650
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: Why do you think you were so passionate about it?

651
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: Who were you trying to and maybe impress isn't the word.

652
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: Who were you trying to make proud? Was it yourself?

653
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: Was it somebody back home? Like? Who was it for you?

654
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: Question? Nobody's ever asked me that.

655
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: Because that hunger just doesn't come out at that air, right.

656
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't.

657
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: I I moved around a lot as a kid, and

658
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: I had a i'd say a challenging relationship with my stepfather,

659
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: not a super close relationship with my biological father. I mean,

660
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: we're fine in everything, but I had some I had

661
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: some tougher times growing up, and I think music was

662
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: the one thing that anchored me in a way and

663
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: gave me that security and that confidence that I didn't

664
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: have anywhere else. And I became so obsessed with it,

665
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: and there was also a burning desire I'll show you.

666
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I don't know my real dad. I met

667
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: him once a few years ago, So I definitely understand

668
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: that because that was a driver for me too. It

669
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: was like, wait, I'll show you why you really missed

670
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: out on not being my dad like that. That was

671
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: a part of it for me too.

672
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us have something driving us

673
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: other than just a love for what we do, that

674
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: that that sparks, that that starts that fire.

675
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree. The consistency that you know you

676
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 3: said music was just there. You know, whenever you have

677
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: a really inconsistent life childhood like I did, like you did,

678
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: when you do have that one or two thing, like

679
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: my grandma was so consistent with me when she was

680
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: with my grandma adopted me for a while too, when

681
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: you know my mom was gone and or my dad was.

682
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: But anything that had consistency, like I still hold on

683
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: to Like I'm the biggest Arkansas Razorback sports fan. But

684
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: it's because I knew every Saturday that it didn't matter

685
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: where I was living, there was going to be a

686
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: game and I could look forward to it. It's going

687
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: to be on for it's on free television. So that

688
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: was consistent for me. Uh, there was music that was

689
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: consistent for me because my life wasn't hot. There was

690
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: no consistency about it at all, and so that why

691
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: it's why today I still like hold on to those things.

692
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: It's even like the people we were talking about indygo

693
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: that we felt like we're famous when we were kids, while

694
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: we still, yeah, feel like it's so cool.

695
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: There's a comfort in that, in the consistency of something

696
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: like that. And I said earlier in another situation something

697
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: that really kind of struck me because it you know,

698
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: your career ebbs and flows, and you have ups and downs,

699
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: and you have some doubt, and even with success comes

700
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: that well, I'm not I'm not the top of everybody's mind. Anymore,

701
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: and you have to you know, with that comes a

702
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: little of that, you know, and you have to kind

703
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: of navigate that emotionally.

704
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: And it's not as easy as people would think it is.

705
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: But you know, and I think a lot of artists

706
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: go through this period of do I matter enough to

707
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: keep doing this anymore?

708
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: Oh? For doing relevancy issues?

709
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: Relevance, Yes, we can have a whole therapy.

710
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 3: I live in relevancy landwork. It's like me too, I'm

711
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: not relevant anymore. This is totally How do you deal

712
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: with that?

713
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: I'll tell you how I deal with that. This year,

714
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: it kind of it was. It was an epiphany that

715
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: came to me, and I started thinking back, and I

716
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: started going way back and remembering that hunger, that kid

717
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: that woke up to watch This Week in Country Music

718
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: and sat for hours and hours in her bedroom, singing

719
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: and learning new songs, dreaming about Nashville, crying because she

720
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: wanted to be in Nashville, just wanted a shot, wanted

721
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: to be on the radio so bad I could taste it.

722
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I can't give up on that kid.

723
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: I would feel like I was betraying her if I

724
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: just did that.

725
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: What's wild? About you saying this is that me ten

726
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: thousand feet up looking at you and your career. I

727
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: would see you and go, man, everybody loves her massive success.

728
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: You would just think, but I think this is common

729
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: right around the room with whomever. I would just think,

730
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: that's the one person that doesn't deal with imposter syndrome

731
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: or relevancy. But it just shows you it almost doesn't matter.

732
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: It's like the screw loose that got us here is

733
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: still the screw loose now that affects us in a

734
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: slightly different way.

735
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: And I think the danger zone to that is playing

736
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 1: the comparison.

737
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: Game too big time, because you can never win.

738
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: Because relevancy is only relevant compared to who's doing something

739
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: more like, and there's always going to be somebody doing

740
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: something or getting more opportunities than you're getting, or or

741
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: being recognized more than you are. And you know, sometimes

742
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: you feel like you're spending your reels because you're working

743
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: your ass off and you're just like, does anybody care?

744
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: Right? Does anybody care at all? Will they ever care? Again?

745
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: And then if you if you express that to somebody,

746
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: they're like, they don't understand that, sin, how could you? Yeah, Yeah,

747
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: it's just yeah, it's part of being human. It's that affliction, well,

748
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: the human affliction.

749
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: And even as that creative, it's you know, if I

750
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: have friends at work and most of my friends aren't creatives,

751
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: which I think is a big deal. It's good for

752
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: me because they can kind of give me a bit

753
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: of a realistic view on what's really important in life.

754
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: And you know, with those I can't really go, well,

755
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: here's the thing, here's why I'm I'm upset. You know

756
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: this show, the stand up show I did you know?

757
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: I did. I did announce the tour twelve shows and

758
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 3: it only sold eighty percent, And they're like, are you

759
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: how is that upsetting to you? And I'm like, we

760
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: don't understand. Like last time, I sold every theater and

761
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: now I'm sorry and so at At the same as

762
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: trivial as it is, you'd still like to have someone

763
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: that can relate to it and go, I get it

764
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: same but instead of just but yeah, you know, because

765
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: a lot of my friends are in the industry, like

766
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: why are you whining? Your theaters are almost sold, and

767
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: it's like, nobody don't understand. Like I do a big

768
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: time with imposters, but when I do, I finally have

769
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: a couple of friends too now in the industry. One

770
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: of my closest friends and is a guy named Ben Rector.

771
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: Who do you know Ben is?

772
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: Can I tell him this?

773
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 3: Is he doing your Is he doing your project? Yeah,

774
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: he'll be over in like thirty minutes and.

775
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: Like, but we can't really get into the project too much.

776
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: But I know I don't know him, it's all. Ben

777
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: is one of my best friends. We work out here

778
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: at the house three times a week, but is appslutely

779
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: and I think I get anxious. We have like an

780
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 3: anxious three. We could be like a wrestling me Brett

781
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: Eldridge and Ben Rector. I get.

782
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: I can see you all being.

783
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: Oh, exactly. Yeah. We just call like if it's on

784
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: like ticket a release day or something. It's like, you're

785
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: doing all right? Man, I don't know, Man, I'm watching it.

786
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: It's they go on someone in six minutes. Don't watch,

787
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: don't watch live, just check back in at night. Don't

788
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: worry about it. But we all have to have those

789
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: friends that could rely. They can relate. It's really important, yes,

790
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: And it's also important have friends it can't relate at all,

791
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 3: And there's got to be about like that has to

792
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: be my wife, not in the business. That is what

793
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 3: to me helped the haye am I still relevant because

794
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: she just doesn't care in the best way. And it

795
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: drives me crazy sometimes too, because I'm like, don't you care?

796
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: If she's like, I know you care, so I care,

797
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: But that's not that important. Like you're doing what you love.

798
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: It's gonna be sometimes, gonna be great, sometimes it's not

799
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: going to be great. Is going to keep going, and

800
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: so that's very valuable too. Who is that for you?

801
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: Oh gosh? I have Okay, So I have friends that

802
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: I have had my entire life since I was twelve

803
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: from home. Yeah, from home, and we're still very very close.

804
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: And then I have a few friends that I made

805
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: in Nashville right after I moved here, like in nineteen ninety,

806
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: who are also my other very best friends. None of

807
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: them are in the business.

808
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: The Originals too, Originals.

809
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: I went to school with them.

810
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: They are they have businesses, they're school teachers, they're social workers,

811
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: supporting it's very important. And then and then I have

812
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: the Pam Tillis, the Susie Bougus, period, Riba and Trisha.

813
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: Let we all get together and we can we can

814
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: kind of bounce these insecurities off of each other.

815
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: We more so me, I think.

816
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: But I look to them, especially like Riba and Susie,

817
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: I would say, because I look at them like big

818
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: sisters who have been through it all. And it doesn't

819
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: matter how big the star is. Everybody has had their

820
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: moments I think where they've experienced something that they can go, hey,

821
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: you know, and I can go, what did you do

822
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: in this instance, or like like, you've got to have

823
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: some of that too. But I think the balance is

824
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: I'm glad you have that too. I live that you

825
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: have your history, friends that have nothing to do with

826
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: any of it, and then you have the people who

827
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: have been there who can help help you kind of

828
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: navigate the complicated emotional waters that we live in.

829
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, or just like swim beside me, even if it's

830
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: not navigating yeah, because there are times where Bin's like

831
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: I don't know either, and we're just like, okay, well

832
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: we don't know together, you know, because it is it's

833
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: a weird to get into a business where you are

834
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: going to make a living creating something that you think

835
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: is good enough for people to pay their money to watch.

836
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: Because at the same time, you could be the most

837
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: humble person, but if you don't have a bit of confidence,

838
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: even an ego about what And it is a weird

839
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: juxtaposition of at times I have no confidence at all,

840
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: and at the same time, I'd have all the confidence

841
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: in the world to create something, to do, a stage show,

842
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 3: to do, a radio show, to do and expect people

843
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: to give me their time and money for what I'm creating.

844
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: The most complicated part about it is it's all appear

845
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: like and that sometimes will will be the one factor

846
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: that defines whether you go out there and kill it

847
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: or don't, because it's all in your mind.

848
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: You ever get it's all sad at seats that weren't sold.

849
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, I think everybody does. And I

850
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: got to tell you, every single night I walk out there,

851
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: it's not a given in my brain that there's going

852
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: to be anybody out there.

853
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: I swear to God, it's.

854
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: It's just crazy for me to hear you say that.

855
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: By the way, it's crazy for me to hear you

856
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: say that but it's true, not even saying it's not true,

857
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 3: but it's crazy for me to hear that, because again,

858
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: I see you, Trek Clark. I mean that that is.

859
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: That's my perception, you Clark, but in reality you're Darry.

860
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have all the same insecurities and that

861
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: anybody has it. I find that hard to believe that

862
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: you have that. I mean, I walked in and your

863
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: drove into your house, and I'm like, damn, Bobby bones,

864
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: Bobby bones.

865
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: Well, mine's like secret though you know people don't know.

866
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: They do now, yeah, well they know from this, but

867
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, yeah, I think we had Again, we

868
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: had to have something a little off for us to

869
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: pursue a career in an industry where we want people

870
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: to pay us for we're creating with our minds, and

871
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that that's something off. Doesn't also like

872
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: kick us.

873
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: At the same time, do you feel like the confidence

874
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: was greater when you were younger and you were going

875
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: after it than it is after you've gotten it, when

876
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: you stop, when you start questioning yourself constantly, because then

877
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: you're is there a shift that happens.

878
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: I think I was naive. I think I was brave,

879
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: had nothing to lose, and I was naive because I

880
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: didn't know good or bad what was out there. I

881
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: just knew I wanted it and I knew I didn't

882
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: want to be where I was too. That was a

883
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: big part of it, right, I didn't want to wasn't

884
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 3: the greatest where I come from, and so I had

885
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: big dreams. And you know, if I had known everything,

886
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: would I have still? I don't know. I think so,

887
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: but I don't know.

888
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: It was simplified. Yeah, it's just it was cooked down

889
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: into this and you didn't overthink it.

890
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: I just wanted to get out of that situation. I

891
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: knew I could work harder than everybody else. I don't

892
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: and didn't think I was the most talented, but I

893
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: knew that I could probably strategize as good as anybody else.

894
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: There's strategy is to live for a lot of growing up.

895
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: But I do think that I the more success I had,

896
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: the higher my therapy bills got. Totally because I started

897
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: really questioning do I deserve it? What am I doing

898
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: my fate? I have imposter syndrome, like crazy, can I repeat?

899
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: Then you're like, well, I don't want to not try

900
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: as hard in fear of losing it. But then I

901
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: start to question, well, why am I not going as

902
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: hard because I'm gonna lose it? Well, then I will

903
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: lose it. So, yeah, it's that I am.

904
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: I getting thrown out of the club. When are they

905
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: going to find out?

906
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: For sure? I feel like I've been robbing seven eleven's

907
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: for twenty years and they haven't caught me yet and

908
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: I'm on the run. That's that's that's what it feels like.

909
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: Oh man, well I I it's thank you for being

910
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: so vulnerable. I didn't know that about you.

911
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: I just always assumed that you were just look like

912
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: a model, built like a bodybuilder. Yeah, I get that

913
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, exactly, that's it.

914
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

915
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

916
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: When did you not have to work service industry and

917
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 3: you could just pay your bills by music?

918
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. You don't really start making real money

919
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: until about a year after your first hit. So I

920
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 2: was waiting tables.

921
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: But a publishing deal, your first publishing deal.

922
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a publishing deal with Sony Tree.

923
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: Were you able to quit working in all the other

924
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: jobs or is your publishing deal just like partial of

925
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: what you were making.

926
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: I made three hundred and fifty dollars a week from

927
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: Sony Tree, and I was able to quit my waitressing

928
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: job and focus on writing.

929
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: That's such a big deal. That's such a even if

930
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: like you're making less money, it's still such a big.

931
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a big deal. And I think that

932
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: was like nineteen ninety three. It was about a year

933
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: and a half, two years before I got my record deal,

934
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: and I was writing and writing and writing a lot.

935
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: I was going down to the firehouse, the fire hall

936
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: there on music Row next to Sony Publishing and writing

937
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 2: every single day.

938
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: So how long until from when you move here to

939
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: you got a publishing deal?

940
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: About six years? Wow? Really five to six years? Yeah?

941
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: Did you ever doubt two three years into it? Maybe? Man,

942
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: you had this dream, but it may not work.

943
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took eight years to get the record deal.

944
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: So I was writing songs for a couple of years

945
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: before that. But during that whole time, yeah, I was.

946
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: It was I was all of you know, twenty two

947
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: to twenty three, going well, if I don't get a

948
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 2: record deal. By the time I had this little deal,

949
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: I was making in my head, if I'm twenty eight

950
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: and I don't have a deal yet, I'm going to

951
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: go and become a dental hygienist because it's a trade

952
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: and it's sensible and I'll make money doing that. But

953
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: I I don't know if I ever truly believed that,

954
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: because you can't. It was just a little game I

955
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: was playing with myself too, because I'm Canadian. We're very

956
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: frugal and very conservative about things, and everything has to

957
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: be very practical, Like I can't just you know, I've

958
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: got to have some kind of a career if this

959
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: other career doesn't pan out.

960
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: And as a kid, I was going to go into.

961
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: Law enforcement enforcement really before I was going to come

962
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: to Nashville and chase the dream.

963
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: So I was starting to go back to.

964
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: That, Like what's specifically like cop or like a really MARCMP.

965
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: Know what that is?

966
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: It's a Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

967
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: I do know what that is when you say that

968
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: eral police.

969
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ones on the mountains mountain.

970
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: The cartoons in the red ride the horses. Yeah, and

971
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: they wear the red Yeah.

972
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: Is that not it blame Canada?

973
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: No, that's them, Okay, yeah, yeah, the Mounties. Why law enforcement?

974
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: Was there anyone in your family?

975
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: No? I just wanted to. I wanted to make a

976
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: difference in people's lives. I wanted to. I loved uniforms.

977
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: I just something looked what I wear. I liked dressing up.

978
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: So no I wanted.

979
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: And also I wasn't super academically gifted. I had to

980
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: work really hard to get b's and c's in school

981
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 2: because we moved so much. I was moving to different

982
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: schools all the time. It was hard for me to

983
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 2: cut a groove in a school, and really.

984
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: You know, hard to get comfortable with people, much less.

985
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: To get making new friends and losing friends. And we

986
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: just moved, and we moved back and forth across the

987
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: country a couple of times, and that part was difficult,

988
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: but so academically, I think my grades suffered for that.

989
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: And you have to have, you know, decent grades to

990
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: get into university in college and be able to do that,

991
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: and I knew I probably wasn't going to get there,

992
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: so I started and I was passionate about it. I

993
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: wanted to be a cop and I thought it would

994
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: be a great career, something I could do and retire

995
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: and be able to retire a decent age and have

996
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: a good pension and all those.

997
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: Sensible practical things.

998
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: Very sensible.

999
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So but that all went by the wayside

1000
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: after Barbara Mandrel came on TV. I was like, Okay, that.

1001
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: Was really the flash for you, Like you always loved it,

1002
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: but until when you saw the Barbara Mandrel Show or

1003
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: Barbara Mandrell herself, that was what really told you, oh,

1004
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: I have to do this.

1005
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 2: It started, It started the wheels turning.

1006
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how David Letterman was for me.

1007
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it started that that path and then the deeper

1008
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: the rabbit hole got. I was just I was just

1009
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: never coming out.

1010
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: How many times you watch coal Miner's Daughter.

1011
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: I've probably seen Coal Miner's Daughter upwards of fifty times.

1012
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: Have you met Sissy Space I've never.

1013
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: Oh, actually I'm lying.

1014
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: I met Sissy Spacek at Mary Chapin Carpenter's wedding.

1015
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: That's a whole I know, right.

1016
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: And Dave Matthews was there too. Wow, I know, I

1017
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: just remembered that. I totally had forgotten about that. Yes,

1018
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: I did meet her, Boy, that was a surreal moment.

1019
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: Did you tell her I watched you fifty times?

1020
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, yeah I did. I did. But I was

1021
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: still in talk because we almost died in a plane

1022
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: crash all the way to that wedding. We were stuck

1023
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: in I flew with some people on this puddle jumper

1024
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: with props and Blake Chancey and I were like holding

1025
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: onto each other for dear life. It was bad weather.

1026
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm just yeah, that was not a good flying experience.

1027
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: But it was a lovely wedding and I got to

1028
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: meet Sissy SPACEK.

1029
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: Did you meet Dave?

1030
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 2: I did in the parking lot.

1031
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tea so much to say.

1032
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: He was very nice.

1033
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1034
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't crash into me, but he was.

1035
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I know when i'm it's still again, we're

1036
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: not talking about a lot of it, but because it's

1037
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: there's telling me it's a lot of this is them bargoed,

1038
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: whatever the heck that is.

1039
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: We've already let the cat out.

1040
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: Of well and we won't cat out of the whole bag.

1041
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: But again, they're.

1042
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 2: They're giving, they're grimming me the pr people are going,

1043
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 2: you're a bad girl.

1044
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 3: No, this is what I'll say then, and I'll also

1045
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: cut this if you'd like. When I mentioned earlier that

1046
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: people really look to you as inspiration, I think this

1047
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: unnamed project that may be happening is an example of that.

1048
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, because.

1049
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: That wouldn't happen, or you wouldn't get yeses, or you

1050
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't get it just wouldn't happen if that wasn't the case.

1051
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: I that all is wonderful to hear.

1052
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1053
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: Do you believe it? Though?

1054
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: When I say I don't know that I ever believe it,

1055
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: I know you know what I mean?

1056
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: Could you logically though? Could you pull yourself out of you?

1057
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: And if let's say it were me and I was like, Hey,

1058
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: I'm doing this comedy big comedy special, and I've got

1059
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: like this person who said he's going to do it

1060
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 3: with me and this and she said she's going to

1061
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: do it. Could you see that they're only doing it

1062
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: because they find some value in doing it with me,

1063
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: because they like what I do? Could you see that

1064
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: if it were me?

1065
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: Yes?

1066
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's all definitely. So that's what I see

1067
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: with this. I'm not even saying what it.

1068
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: Is, right, but I hope we can actually come back

1069
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: and talk about for sure. Yeah, because this is I

1070
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 2: love talking to you. I'm saying things I've never said

1071
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: to anybody, Like what's with the vulnerability today? Oh my gosh.

1072
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: Well, it's like vegas retrospect. You know how they pump

1073
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: oxygen in, right, we have xanax are and it kind

1074
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: of takes you down a little bit. So six years

1075
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: until you're publishing deal, and then a couple of years

1076
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: after that until you got your record deal. Did you

1077
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: ever get into the mindset of I'm just going to

1078
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: be a writer, Because a lot of my friends start

1079
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: to think that, they're like, you know what, the artist

1080
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: thing is not going to work, but I have gotten

1081
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: pretty good writing songs. And then later their artist career

1082
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: does happen, but for a bit they go, I think,

1083
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 3: maybe I just write. Did you ever just settle maybe

1084
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 3: I'll just be a writer, or did you keep grinding

1085
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: towards them?

1086
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: No, I really wanted to be an artist. I really

1087
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 2: wanted to sing for people and perform. And it wasn't

1088
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: as much about being as star as it was about

1089
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: connect and performing and delivering these songs.

1090
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 3: I was writing, why'd you like to perform?

1091
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: It's a connection and it's a it's an approval, it's

1092
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: an approve and an instant approval rating. And it's that

1093
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: goes back to that I think that wanting to.

1094
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: Be loved and like, exactly what mine is? It's love.

1095
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: It's me trying to find love. Even being funny as

1096
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 3: a kid was me trying to find love in a

1097
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: way in a place that I couldn't.

1098
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a safe place, and people are if you're good,

1099
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: they're not gonna throw eggs at you. You're gonna find

1100
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: that love. And I knew I was good enough for that.

1101
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: But I've just yeah, just being a writer was never

1102
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't. I wasn't as passionate about writing as I

1103
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: am about performing. Writing for me has always been a

1104
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: vehicle to performing. I needed the songs to go make

1105
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: the records to be able to go out. And I've

1106
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 2: always been a very project oriented songwriter. I'm not somebody

1107
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: who just writes all the time.

1108
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: Do you have a mentor here? Did you when you

1109
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 3: moved to town that you could just call on your landline?

1110
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: Mm? The My mom was my mentor. I got to say,

1111
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: you know she was. She was my biggest champion, She

1112
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: was my inspiration. She I was closer to her than

1113
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 2: any humans. No. She passed away how long ago?

1114
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: Thirteen years ago.

1115
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: She was sixty and she died of a very very

1116
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: rare form of cancer that just killed me. And that,

1117
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: thank you, that that changed. I had to really sit

1118
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 2: down and take stock and like, what would my mom

1119
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: want me to do? Because I felt like I'd kind

1120
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: of lost half of half of this team that we

1121
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: were up until that point.

1122
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: You mean, after she had passed, you had to kind

1123
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 3: of read, yeah.

1124
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 2: Like do I And I just went right back into

1125
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: doing what I do. And I'm like, I'm honoring her

1126
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: by doing what we what we both sacrificed. She let

1127
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: her eighteen year old kid go to Nashville. Like the

1128
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: sleepless nights that woman must have had. Oh man, But

1129
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,479
Speaker 2: you know, she didn't say you have to come home.

1130
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: I would call her, you know, collect I'd call her

1131
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: a lot. And one time I got off at the

1132
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: wrong bus stop on my way back from Tootsies and

1133
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: it was blazing heat in the summer, and I was,

1134
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, head to toe and cowgirl clothes and boots

1135
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 2: and standing there holding a guitar at the Hearties at

1136
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: Harding Place and Nolansville Road. And I got off at

1137
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: the wrong stop and I kept waving the buses that

1138
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: would come by down. They wouldn't stop. They would there

1139
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: wasn't there stopped, There wasn't that. Finally one stopped and

1140
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know where I am. And I

1141
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: was sweating, and I was in tears, and he finally said,

1142
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: you have to wait three more buses and then this

1143
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: bus will come by, you know, And he's just opening

1144
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: the door and looking at me, and I'm standing there

1145
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: with a guitar. And I got home from that and

1146
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: I said, I called her and I said, I don't

1147
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: know if I can do this. I was just absolutely

1148
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 2: hysterical and in tears. And she said, you can come

1149
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: home anytime you want to come home, but I just

1150
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: want you to think about when you're fifty years old

1151
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: and you remember coming home and not taking this shot.

1152
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: I want you to be okay with that decision. And

1153
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: I didn't go home. I like she had to. She

1154
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: was devil's ad. She never told me I couldn't come home,

1155
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: but she she also knew how badly I wanted it,

1156
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: and that when a moment might have just been an emotional,

1157
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: temporary thing.

1158
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: Which was a very selfless thing for her, because you know,

1159
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: she'd have loved to have had you home.

1160
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that.

1161
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: I'd have been the best thing in the whole world

1162
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 3: for you to be at home. Yet she still said, hey,

1163
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: think about this, because she knew what you wanted. She

1164
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 3: wanted to stay in Nashville, yeah, And she didn't say

1165
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: you should stay, she said think of I mean, yeah,

1166
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 3: it sounds awesome. What was your mom like?

1167
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: Oh? She was. My mom was very focused. When she

1168
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: made up her mind about something, she would just do it,

1169
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: like very focused, very determined, very strong, but also very

1170
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: kind and very sweet, supportive, encouraging.

1171
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: She was my very biggest cheerleader.

1172
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 2: And when she died, there was there was It was

1173
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 2: you know, I went right back to work pretty quick,

1174
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 2: and I think I needed to because I don't. It

1175
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: was either I'm gonna I'm gonna keep I'm going to

1176
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 2: keep pushing and I'm just gonna do what I do,

1177
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: or I'm just gonna I may never get up again.

1178
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: So I just kept pushing through.

1179
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 3: Do you feel when my mom died? Because my mom

1180
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: was forty six or forty seven when she died, So sorry,

1181
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, But you know I also can sit here

1182
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: and talk with you about it from a place of

1183
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 3: empathy more than sympathy, which I would rather talk from

1184
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 3: a place of understanding, right because we get to relate.

1185
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 3: But I probably jump back in way too quick. I

1186
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: don't think I allowed myself to mourn at all. And

1187
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 3: then I think over like the next five to seven years.

1188
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 3: It kind of trickled out in weird ways, just like

1189
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: something would trigger it.

1190
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: Did your mom get sicker? Did she die suddenly and unexpected?

1191
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: My mom was a drug addict and she died just

1192
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: from years and years of like meth and sech Did.

1193
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: You have any idea it was gonna take her life?

1194
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: She had been in an out of rehab a bunch,

1195
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 3: But I mean I never thought she would die. But

1196
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 3: she wasn't super healthy. I mean she got pregnant fifteen,

1197
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: so it wasn't like the easiest life for her. So

1198
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: I don't know that I was shocked, but yeah, I

1199
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: was surprised because it wasn't that she was super sick.

1200
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: I think it was just a partial like probably too

1201
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 3: much at that time, like and then partially her body

1202
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 3: just not being able to hold on. But I remember

1203
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 3: I was working, I was on the air, and I

1204
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 3: got a call from my sister. Nobody ever calls me

1205
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: during the show because they know I'm pretty locked in

1206
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: and focused, and she was like, moms died. And I

1207
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: was like, wait what she said, Yeah, Mom died, And

1208
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: I said, okay, let me call you back. And I

1209
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: just finished the show because I don't know what to do.

1210
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: So I stayed for like two hours and just finished

1211
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 3: the show, and I told Amy, who's my co host?

1212
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 3: Still to this day, those are all my same people

1213
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, and I was like, hey, I'm gonna

1214
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 3: keep going. My mom died, and I remember Amy crying

1215
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: the whole time. I mean I didn't because the only

1216
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 3: thing I knew was to push. I wasn't partnalized, for sure,

1217
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: had to learn as a kid. Even so, it wasn't

1218
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: because I was strong or cool. Yeah, if anything, I

1219
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 3: kind of wish I could have felt, but you know,

1220
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 3: did the funeral arrange, it went right back to work,

1221
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 3: and then it was I could feel it like the

1222
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 3: next seven or eight years probably just trickling out of me.

1223
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: Where I wish I had taken a little time to mourn,

1224
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: Holy where I don't know.

1225
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1226
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: I don't know looking back that I made the right

1227
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: decision doing that. You you how quickly until you went

1228
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 3: back to work.

1229
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: My mom died in April and I was back at

1230
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: work in June. And my brother, who works on oil rigs,

1231
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: he's an oil oil guy. He's younger, he was only

1232
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: he was so young when she passed. He was only

1233
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: twenty seven, and he went to Brazil to work on

1234
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: an oil rig, and he actually he processed more than

1235
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 2: any of us. He really mourned and he had a

1236
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: very hard time with it. But my process was, you know,

1237
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: I mourned. We had things to arrange, things had to

1238
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a distraction, no scene, Like, I just

1239
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: did the same thing. Yeah, then went back to work,

1240
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: and then you know, and then I'm moving again, and

1241
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: then I'm renovating another house. Then I'm making another album,

1242
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: and then I'm back on the road again. Then I'm

1243
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: writing songs for this next album, and then I got

1244
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: to put that. It's been like, you know, I'm still

1245
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: wondering if I'm just going to absolutely fall apart one

1246
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: day because I just stayed so as just you know,

1247
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: you keep pushing and stay so distracted, you know, with

1248
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: whatever it is, relationships or moving or projects, and you know,

1249
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: do you ever And I'm like, well, what does what

1250
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: does that look like? If I just sit and go

1251
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: I have to be sad about mom and just lose

1252
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: my shit here for you know, yeah, God knows how long.

1253
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: And I did mourn, but some of my friends who've

1254
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: known me my whole life and my mom and knew

1255
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: my mom were like, we were actually thinking that this

1256
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: was going to take you down like big time for

1257
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: a long time. And they've told me that they were

1258
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: actually surprised, or I guess, I don't know what the

1259
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: word is, surprised that it didn't as much as I

1260
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: thought it would. But she was also very sick for

1261
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: three years in battling this thing.

1262
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: Were you in Canada a lot while she was there?

1263
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I spent a lot of time flying back

1264
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: and forth. And I actually I had bought a house

1265
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: near my parents that had bought a house on Vancouver

1266
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: Island so that they could retire there and because it's

1267
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: just a beautiful place to be, and I bought a

1268
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: place just to be near them when they were growing

1269
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: old because I love my mom so much, and you know,

1270
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: so I had a place there and I was able

1271
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: to be there quite a bit. Took quite a bit

1272
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: of time to go back and forth and be with her.

1273
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, my favorite part of this, my favorite story

1274
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: here is you being at that bus stop calling your mom.

1275
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 3: Your mom would have love to have had your home,

1276
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: but she loved you more than she would have loved

1277
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: having you home. Yeah, and she made you go, Okay,

1278
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: think about this. It just would have been so easy

1279
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: for her to go, yeah, you need to come home.

1280
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: Because, believe me, she it was.

1281
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be awesome for her to have her

1282
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: daughter home, right, who she loved more than anything in

1283
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 3: the whole world.

1284
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1285
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: Yet she's still a selfless enough to say, I don't

1286
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: think in her own way, I don't think you should

1287
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: come home to not want me to have She made

1288
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 3: you get there yourself. Yeah, and you did. That's awesome,

1289
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 3: sounds awesome.

1290
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's been so many things that have happened

1291
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 2: that she should be there for. My brother got married.

1292
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: I burst into tears that night. I've had my moments.

1293
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: I had one the other day. Carly Simon album comes

1294
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: on and I'm chopping onions and it's not because of

1295
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: the onions. I'm just bawling and I'm like, oh, it

1296
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: just you know, just moments where it just comes up to.

1297
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: Know where small odd triggers still get me to like

1298
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: the random Home Depot commercial.

1299
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a song on the radio like it's.

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01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Canada is to me the nicest place in the

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01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: whole world. So I'm on like thirty or something radio

1302
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: stations up there, and if I go, everybody's so nice

1303
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 3: that it feels like they're going to murder me. Huh,

1304
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not kidding. I was scared the first time

1305
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: that I went into even Toronto, which is a massive city.

1306
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: Oh, there are a lot of not nice people in Toronto, Bobby.

1307
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: That's why you've been to the airport.

1308
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: That's why. Well, they held mic in the airport. They

1309
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: held for a few hours, but I think there was

1310
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 3: another mic with his name that was like a killer

1311
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 3: or something there. Yeah, but people were so kind that

1312
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: I was scared. They were like setting me up for something,

1313
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 3: and I think that's just the nature. I'm suspicious of

1314
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: your kind of Yeah, of Canadians where you grew up though,

1315
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 3: that was like that was like West United, that's right,

1316
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 3: like above like.

1317
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: Yes, above Montana.

1318
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: So I was born in Montreal, which is kind of

1319
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: like above New York, and then moved to Alberta, which

1320
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: was above Montana, and then moved back to above New York,

1321
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: and then moved back to Alberta. We zigzaged across the

1322
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: country a couple of times when I was younger, but

1323
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: I spent the majority of my formative years. I guess

1324
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: from ten, nine years old to eighteen in Alberta, in

1325
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: Calgary and in medicine.

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: Hat Medison has a cool name for it.

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01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: It is, isn't it?

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01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? It is. I have a lot of friends and

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: even family that are that lived near Native Americans, and

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01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: my wife's in Oklahoma and so she's partially Native American too,

1331
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: and her some of her friends back I have the

1332
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 3: coolest names, like Medicine had John, Medisine had Oh.

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01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: All the towns up there, I mean there's Moose Jaw,

1334
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: there's Medicine Hat, there's Pincher Creek, There's there's all kinds

1335
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: of Fort this and Fort that, and.

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: The town Regina makes me laugh out loud.

1337
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: Well, you know what the city that rhymes with fun

1338
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: they call it.

1339
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 3: And I told people that's what was on a sign there,

1340
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 3: and nobody believe me.

1341
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that I can even tell some

1342
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: of these stories on the air, because I'm sure Regina

1343
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: gets so mad about it, because it's it's just like

1344
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: it's every time I play there, my band's American, my crew, everybody,

1345
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,959
Speaker 2: it's the jokes leading up and leaving. I'm just like, okay,

1346
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: we got to get off this train. It's just come on,

1347
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: how many how many Regina jokes do you guys have

1348
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 2: in you?

1349
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 3: It never end see that itself. It's just funny, right,

1350
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 3: I know, how many do I have in me?

1351
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: You fly in and out of there?

1352
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 3: Very odd, I know. Yeah, I'm not even gonna do

1353
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 3: it because it sounds pery when I do, it does

1354
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 3: sound pervy.

1355
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: Bobby Bone's the pervy guy.

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01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Thebby Cast. Twenty years its Opry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's crazy.

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01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 2: It is. It is awesome, and it's it's so funny

1361
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: because Tricia yearwould celebrating twenty five years this year, Pam

1362
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: Tillis is celebrating twenty five this year, and I'm celebrating

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01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: twenty and like, we're all Opry members and we're all friends,

1364
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: and it's just it's bizarre that I get to have

1365
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: friends that are Opry members, and then I'm celebrating an anniversary.

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01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: I get to be an.

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01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 3: Opry memory of years Rember the Oprary. That's so cool.

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01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 2: I can't even I can't even believe I am an

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01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: Opry member.

1370
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: Did you talk about it. Did you know they were

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 3: gonna invite you?

1372
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: Uh huh No, I had no idea. I had no idea,

1373
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: and my and they had. My mom had just been

1374
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: in Nashville. She would come down and stay.

1375
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: For a month.

1376
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: My nieces were here and you know, all the visit

1377
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 2: family and and she would come stay for usually a month,

1378
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: and then she would fly home. And she had just

1379
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: done her months, but she does once a year, and

1380
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: she'd been she'd flown home, and two weeks later, I'm

1381
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: studying on the stage and she comes walking out with

1382
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: this sign and I just turned around it what are

1383
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: you doing here? Wow?

1384
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 3: Your mom get They flew her that and she didn't

1385
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 3: say anything about it.

1386
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 2: Her and Steve Warner came out with the sign that

1387
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: had the date that they were going to.

1388
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is awesome.

1389
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: So something big was happening, and I was in shock.

1390
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: I think it was just I just can't I can't

1391
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: even believe I get to play.

1392
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: The Offry, let alone be a member and walk on

1393
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: the stage. I get so nervous, Bobby, every time I

1394
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: swear to God and not really, you don't, oh I do, No,

1395
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: you have no idea. It has another level of nerves

1396
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: for me, And I don't know if it's because the

1397
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: audience is usually very quiet, especially that audience during COVID

1398
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: when you were hosting and we were up on stage

1399
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: and nobody was in no audience.

1400
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 3: That was a very quiet audience that was extremely tough.

1401
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: A lot of people disguised as seats there.

1402
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: Wow, that's so cool that they flew your mom and

1403
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 3: her state warner came out.

1404
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: They were hiding her in a broom closet backstage because

1405
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: they didn't want me to see her before she walked out.

1406
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: So she said, I could hear you walking up and

1407
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: down the hallway and talking, and I couldn't come out

1408
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: and say they were telling me to just stay in

1409
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: this this janitor's closet at the Offrey.

1410
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 3: That's so cool. And they must have obviously known how

1411
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 3: much she.

1412
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: Meant to you, oh, of course, which is why they

1413
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: made My mom was around a lot of that stuff,

1414
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: and she even acted as like a little bit of

1415
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 2: a personal assistant for me for a while. And every

1416
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: manager I hired back then, I made sure they met

1417
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: my mom because I wanted to get She was a

1418
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: good judge of character, She had a good intuition about

1419
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: people and trustworthiness. And I think my current manager even

1420
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: had to meet her. Poor Clarence.

1421
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: I never say poor Clarence. For the record, poor Clarence,

1422
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 3: I do yes, Okay, So I tell so what are

1423
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: you going to do on the road? Are you doing?

1424
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 3: Are you doing a bunch of a.

1425
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: Bunch of shows this year?

1426
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1427
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: It's I took last summer off.

1428
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: I toured with Reba McIntyre last year, which was fantastic.

1429
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 3: What did you think about her anthem?

1430
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh?

1431
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: She killed it, she kept it true.

1432
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: I think the national anthem should unless you're Whitney Houston,

1433
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: you know, and can actually land on the mat every

1434
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: note you hit like but Riba just did. She did

1435
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: it the way she would do it, not trying to

1436
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: be somebody else doing it right. And so she nailed it.

1437
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: And the poison confidence under pressures she's always had that.

1438
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 2: I want half the confidence she has.

1439
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 3: Does she have it though? Or does she make us

1440
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 3: think she has it? Because she is awesome? Well I

1441
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 3: wonder if she goes home.

1442
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 2: And she's a great actress too, But I mean when

1443
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: she said when when when she said she told me

1444
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: she was going to get to do the national anthem?

1445
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: Two weeks before they announced it, because I was at

1446
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: a chili cook off at her house and I said,

1447
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: oh my god, I would just piss my pants and

1448
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 2: she said make two.

1449
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you will not.

1450
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: She was just She's just like, are you just trying

1451
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: to make me feel about better about my lack of

1452
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: confidence by saying that? But she got up there. It

1453
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: was just like it was just amazing seeing how the

1454
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: grace under pressure that like, we all hold ourselves to

1455
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: the Dolly and Reba gold standard. I don't know the

1456
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 2: situations they've I mean, Dolly, that that thing, the cheerleader thing,

1457
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: I mean, my god, that's just that's confidence. I want

1458
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: just I want to bottle just a hair of it.

1459
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: And you tore with Reva, and so you did a

1460
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 3: bunch of those shows.

1461
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, Like I think we did third, and

1462
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 2: then I took the summer off and then just planned

1463
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: on working really hard in twenty twenty four and with

1464
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: some things going on and around that, so we have

1465
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: a very busy year coming up, and this is probably

1466
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: going to be one of my best and biggest touring

1467
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: years since the nineties and nineties. Country is so hot

1468
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: right now too, and I think that that plays into

1469
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 2: some of it too. And just the fact that I

1470
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: think more younger people want to see us, you know,

1471
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 2: they want us to play our hits in there. The

1472
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: artists that are hot right now that are talking about

1473
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 2: their influences. This makes me feel our the nineties act.

1474
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: You know, there's calling it the new classic format, which

1475
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: is like, it doesn't seem that long ago to me,

1476
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 2: but I guess it was.

1477
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 3: You know me either, but I guess it was. It

1478
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: was same except pays. You know, nineties pay awesome now.

1479
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 3: I mean if your nineties like you buy shoes, clothes,

1480
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 3: anything from the nineties artists and hip hop creed although

1481
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 3: that's two thousand, like all the stuff where we were, Like,

1482
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 3: now all of our people have money and they get

1483
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,919
Speaker 3: to pay and actually come and watch us now, which

1484
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 3: is cool because they can actually not ask a mom

1485
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 3: for money.

1486
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: Well exactly, it's and and bring their kids.

1487
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: The generation.

1488
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the generational thing is really cool. You see I

1489
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 2: see people in meet and greets with their with their

1490
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 2: kids and grandkids if they were you know, you know,

1491
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,839
Speaker 2: of a certain age at that time, and it's just uh,

1492
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 2: you know, the and and then the eighteen year old

1493
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 2: girls singing every word the Better Things to Do in

1494
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: the front row, wearing their mom's vintaged T shirt that

1495
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: they got at the George Straight Show I opened in

1496
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six.

1497
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, this came from my mom. She

1498
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: was going to throw it out and I'm looking. I

1499
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: tore the shit out of it and.

1500
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: It's cool now.

1501
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: I put some dazzles on it.

1502
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 2: They tie it and they put well, they decorate it.

1503
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 3: Finished with I'm gonna ask you about Toby to kind

1504
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 3: of wrap this up, you you know, with Toby a

1505
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 3: bunch too, Like, what give me a Toby story memory.

1506
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: Well, it's not just one memory.

1507
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: I mean I toured with him and he kinda I

1508
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: kind of looked at him like a big brother. You know.

1509
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 2: We talked a lot. He gave a lot of advice.

1510
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 2: He was always very honest, brutally honest and told the truth.

1511
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 2: I would ask him questions that I think some people

1512
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 2: were like, wow, I can't believe she just asked him

1513
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: that question. And we would after the after the shows,

1514
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 2: you know, go to his bus and I would just

1515
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 2: get to be a part of like a Toby Keith

1516
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: buss party. Everybody's the bus is bouncing up and down.

1517
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 2: Brian O'Connell's on there, DJing from his computer, and I'm

1518
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: just like I felt like I was just got to

1519
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 2: be in the cool kids club. And Toby played basketball

1520
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: with the crew and the bands every single day. And

1521
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 2: I have a radio show, and I interviewed him for

1522
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: this radio show.

1523
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 3: Yact like I don't know that.

1524
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 2: By the way, well I don't know.

1525
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 3: I know. By the way, when you went all the

1526
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 3: when you win the awards, I'm like, all right, whatever,

1527
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,879
Speaker 3: and then then it makes you feel lesser.

1528
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 2: Than But oh, I'm not winning awards. I'm winning only women.

1529
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: I want a Gracie Award. You don't qualify for that

1530
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: because you're a boy. And congratulations on you all your awards,

1531
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: by the way, You've got a lot of them. I'm

1532
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: still saying I can still get a CMA award as

1533
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: a radio host. I never got one as an artist,

1534
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: and it was my childhood dream to get a CMA award.

1535
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: So I'm like, man, if Bobby Bones would just, you know, retire.

1536
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 3: Well they ever, well, please God, I can't retire. I

1537
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 3: don't I'm not going to retire. I have no work.

1538
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 3: If I'm doing this, that's that's funny.

1539
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, But back to Toby, he was, he was great.

1540
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: We would always like dip together back then, I was

1541
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 2: I would dip skull and I know, I'd walk on

1542
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: the bus and he'd hand me a solo cup with

1543
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 2: a napkin in it, and he'd borrow one from me,

1544
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: and I'd borrow one from him and just stand there

1545
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: talking just about everything.

1546
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: And I remember getting really hammered with Dean.

1547
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: Dylan on his bus and I don't even remember getting

1548
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: back to my bus, and Toby said, I watched you

1549
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 2: walk back to your bus to make sure you were

1550
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: all right. How are you feeling it day? And then I,

1551
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 2: you know, he just like always so cool, so respectful.

1552
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 2: And when I remember one thing he said when he

1553
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: was doing press for that tour, and they said, well,

1554
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 2: Terry clarkshre coming out of your opening act, and he said,

1555
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,520
Speaker 2: he said, Derrek Clark is one of the most underrated

1556
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: artists out there. And that to me just like he's

1557
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 2: not he's not somebody just throw stuff out there like that,

1558
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: because he's so honest. It meant the world to me

1559
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 2: that that he said that. And then I interviewed him

1560
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 2: for the radio show and I think this was right

1561
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: before he got diagnosed with cancer or right around the time,

1562
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: because it was it was right around two years ago,

1563
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 2: a little over two years ago. And the first thing

1564
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: he said was, you know, I'm all, you know, getting

1565
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 2: ready to interview, and I'm like, okay, okay, Toby, you're

1566
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: ready radio. He goes, you want to dip. I'm like,

1567
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: did you hear me that?

1568
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 3: You?

1569
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: But no, it's just he's just always great.

1570
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: We talked a bit after the interview and he said,

1571
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 2: call me, We'll go to lunch because I was frustrated

1572
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: with create stuff, and you know, I'm like, I don't

1573
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 2: I could really stand to talk to you right now

1574
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 2: and get your advice on a few things. And he

1575
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: has he had a record label and stuff, and he said,

1576
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 2: call me, We'll go to lunch, and the whole COVID

1577
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: thing was going on. It was just, yeah, I didn't

1578
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: get to get to I wish I'd gotten to get

1579
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: together with him one more time, you know, but it's

1580
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 2: a tremendous loss. I think he is has He was

1581
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 2: one of the greatest songwriters of all time in country

1582
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: music and a great entertainer, a great guy and didn't

1583
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 2: bother him to disagree with you and didn't care if

1584
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 2: he didn't care if you agreed or disagreed, He just

1585
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 2: said what he felt.

1586
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited for you. What a day.

1587
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: Well we talked about a lot.

1588
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we covered a lot. Oh yeah, a lot about you.

1589
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, you have such cool stuff coming up.

1590
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 3: It's like you said, it's gonna be a big year for.

1591
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: You to be Well, it's going to be fun.

1592
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 2: It's going to be something new and not new, nostalgic

1593
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 2: with a new flare.

1594
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: And I think that it's going to be fun.

1595
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 3: Well, when we can announce it, let's let's do something again.

1596
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 3: I would love to awesome. I'm a big I'm a

1597
01:12:58,800 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 3: big fan of yours.

1598
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan you or something. I appreciate what

1599
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: you do because I know it's not always easy, and

1600
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 2: you do your congratulations on all your success. You think

1601
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 2: you've you deserve it.

1602
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: You're you're like a You're you're a mogul.

1603
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 3: I am consistent here.

1604
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 2: I show up comfortably consistently.

1605
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 3: I show up maybe, like I tell my guys, just

1606
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 3: show up and be pretty good all the time, and

1607
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 3: occasionally be great, because you can't be great all the time.

1608
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 3: But if you're just consistent, like that's what I try

1609
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 3: to do.

1610
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: Consistency is key.

1611
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely. On Instagram Terry Clark Music on TikTok at Terry Clark,

1612
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 3: you have a big TikTok following I do, Yeah, you do.

1613
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 3: I guess I do.

1614
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 2: Well, that's awesome. You know I have I have some

1615
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 2: social media people that.

1616
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 3: Help me with Hey, whatever, very good, whatever, that's awesome,

1617
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 3: very much. Well, it's been a real treat. We did

1618
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 3: over hours, so don't want keep you a longer, but

1619
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 3: it's been This has been really fun for me. And

1620
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 3: then when we can talk about the cool stuff. Let's

1621
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 3: talk about the cool stuff, all right. We talked about us,

1622
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 3: both of us.

1623
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: Yes, but it was a great free therapy session.

1624
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 3: How about this. We talked backward a lot. Well, let's

1625
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: look forward next time.

1626
01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll do that.

1627
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 3: Terry, good to see you.

1628
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

1629
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.