1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Mr Garbatschev, tear down this wall. Either you're with us 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: or you were with the terrorists. If you got healthcare already, 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: then you can keep your plan. If you are satisfied 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: with is not the President of the United States, take 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: it to a bank. Together, we will make America great again. 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: We'll never sharender. It's what you've been waiting for all day. 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America now joined the conversation called buck 8 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: toll free at eight four four nine hundred buck. That's 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred to eight to five. Sharp mind, 10 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: strong voice, Buck Sexton, come to the Freedom Hut. Great 11 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: to have you. Thank you so much for joining. If 12 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: you want to call in eight four four nine buck 13 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: eight four four, nine hundred to eight two five. Got 14 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: a lot to get into today. We will be discussing 15 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: uh North Korea here shortly. Also the pre dawn raid 16 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manaforts home and what 17 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: the signals that's sending are. We'll also talk a bit 18 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: more about affirmative action and the administration's looming battle with 19 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: the leftist progressive establishment on that issue. Talk to you 20 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: about the uh Iranian support to the Taliban that's gotten 21 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: into the headlines recently. And also we will discuss the 22 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: opioid epidemic. And at the end of the show, I've 23 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: got some some buck thoughts to share with you about 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: just some things. So uh, that's the that's the basic 25 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: roadmap of what we're going to get into today. I 26 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: don't know if we'll have time today for the possible 27 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: private zation as it's being called, of the war in Afghanistan. 28 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: I talked to you about Afghanistan. UM. Yeah, well, I'll 29 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: talk to you about what's going on with the Taliban 30 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: and Iran. I guess privatization will probably wait until tomorrow 31 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: or the next day. UM. And also this interesting story 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: coming out of the Associated Press and and Cuba allegedly 33 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: involved in some plot or some someone in Cuba thought 34 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: that it would be uh. I don't know, I'd decided 35 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: to get even with the Americans by trying to defen 36 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: some of our diplomats with a sonic weapon of some kind. 37 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: This is what the Associated Press is reporting. First that 38 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: I saw it was today, so we'll have some time 39 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: for that. But back to North Korea. I should note that, UM, 40 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: there are uh a lot of people right now, a 41 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: lot of reporters who are treating Trump's rhetoric on this 42 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: issue as though it is completely out the main stream 43 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: and that he's uh, he is so much more bellicos 44 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: and it's we should all be so concerned. But let's 45 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: understand that whenever a president says something like all options 46 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: are on the table or there's a credible threat of 47 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: military force, that is what they are discussing right there, 48 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: discussing the uh, the terrible, the horrific possibility of war 49 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: with the foreign nation, whether we're whether it was Iran 50 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: in the past or any number of other countries where 51 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: there had to be a credible threat of military force 52 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: or else. What are we even talking about? What's the 53 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: purpose of the various sanctions and discussions and diplomacy. If 54 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: there's never the possibility that we might have to actually 55 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: fire some missiles and some guns, then these countries won't 56 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: obey at all, These rogues states will certainly not come 57 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: to heal. That's not gonna happen. So you have the 58 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: State Department, uh, having a conference that I f say, 59 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: the new State Department spokeswoman did a did a really 60 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: good job. And she's I know she comes from some 61 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: Fox and she was impressive. I alays thought she was 62 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: impressive at Fox. But here's how this is going. They're 63 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: they're trying to tell everybody, look, this is a problem 64 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: that has to be dealt with now. We we should 65 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: be concerned about this. As people look at this and 66 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: some consider comments to have been alarming, I would have 67 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: to go back to this. Let's consider what is alarming. 68 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: What is alarming to I c B M tests in 69 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: less than a month, to nuclear tests that took place 70 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: last year. As a matter of fact, when there's an 71 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: earthquake in China, I get many emails and calls from 72 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: all of you asking was it another nuclear test? That 73 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: is how big of a deal this is? Like I said, 74 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: she's a very good job. But I want to point 75 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: out that when she's talking about rhetoric, she's referring to, 76 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: at least in part, the media's reaction to the President's 77 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: rhetoric that there will be you know, fire and fury, 78 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: that there will be the full might of the United 79 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: States military deployed against North Korea if North Korea continues 80 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: with its aggressive actions and and if we're if it 81 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: were to consider a first strike. There was reporting yesterday 82 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: that Guam has come up that they might hit Guam. 83 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: Now the calculation there for North Korea maybe that they 84 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: would respond, but they would not respond with their full 85 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,679 Speaker 1: force and fury if it was not the US mainland. 86 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: I think they would be wrong in that. But you're 87 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: you're seeing that the reason they would put Guam out 88 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: there is that at least at first, sounds like it 89 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: is a more likely action for North Korea if it 90 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: decided to lash out then just firing missiles at California 91 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: or not. Not that Guam is not US territory and 92 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: there's U S military there, but I think that's the 93 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: North The North Koreans are trying to make it seem 94 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: like the North Korean media is trying to make it 95 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: seem like there's a greater possibility they might actually do something. 96 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: Maybe they don't fire, you know, nuclear missile, but maybe 97 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: they just try to try to hit Guam with some 98 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: of their long range missiles just to make a point. Uh, 99 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: And they know there'd be a response, but who who 100 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: knows what their calculations are. And this is by the way, 101 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: when I hear people talking about North Korea, I understand 102 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: that when you're on TV or yes, when you're on 103 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: radio or you're writing about things, it's it's usually a 104 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: good plan to at least give off an air of certainty. 105 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: You know, you try to seem like you're confident everything 106 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: you're saying. People have no People have no idea how 107 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: Kim jongon is going to react. People have no idea 108 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: what his real end goal is here for all of 109 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: this that's going on in North Korean. And when you're 110 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: talking about somebody who lives in this what is truly 111 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: an alternate reality and alternate universe, someone who would allow 112 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: his or call for his own brother to be assassinated abroad. 113 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: You know, this is an unstable individual. Rational to an extent, 114 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: to be sure, But what is what is rational when 115 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: you're the dictator of North Korea is not rational if 116 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: you're a normal person in the rest of the world. 117 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: So we have real concerns here about this. But you'll 118 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: notice that some of the media is more worried about 119 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, as though Donald Trump when it comes to 120 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: North Korea and the nuclear program is the problem. This is. 121 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: This is very telling. You know, you can see a 122 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: lot of who the media really is when it comes 123 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: who they are when it comes to how they're more 124 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: worried about Trump sounding uh, sounding too stern visa the 125 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: North Korea. Then the reality of North Korea, which is 126 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: that it is working at its fastest pace possible to 127 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: expand its missile program and it's nuclear nuclear weapons program. 128 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: So you've got Secretary of State out there letting everybody 129 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: know that we shouldn't be overly concerned about this, and 130 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I certainly agree with that sentiment. I think 131 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: Americans should sleep all at night. I have no concerns 132 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: about this particular rhetoric of the last few days. I 133 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: think the President, again as commander in chief, I think 134 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: he felt it necessary to issue at a very strong 135 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: statement directly to North Korea. But I think what the 136 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: President was just reaffirming is the United States has the 137 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: capability to fully defend itself from any attack and defend 138 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: our allies, and we will do so. And so the 139 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: American people shouldn't sleep well at night now. I I 140 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: think that that's important for everyone to to take note 141 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: of here. You know, you don't want to give into 142 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the the the scare tactics of the nightly news um 143 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: the idea that we are all we all need to 144 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: be afraid of what, you know, North Korea, needs to 145 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: be dealt with. It's a real problem. It does pose 146 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: a realistic threat to well, to the United States, to 147 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: global markets, to our allies, to its neighbors, uh you know, 148 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: most notably South Korea and Japan, although I think it 149 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: is probably getting a little nervous these days about North 150 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: Korea too. They gotta be thinking, whoa this is? You know, 151 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: Frankenstein may turn on media. This is not good. Otherwise 152 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: we know Frankenstein was the doctor, not the monster. But 153 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Uh so that's that's the 154 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: poscular But you've got the much of the media out 155 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: there deciding to run with this because the anxiety. As 156 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: if they create enough of a climate of anxiety around this, 157 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: it can then also be used to make it seem 158 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: like Trump can't keep us safe, that he's erratic, that 159 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: who knows what's going to happen here, And you know, 160 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: there's North Korea is a very serious problem we have 161 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: to deal with, and then there's oh my gosh, North 162 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: Korea could nucas tomorrow because Trump is a maniac, And 163 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: that's what a lot of the media is trying to go. 164 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: If that's what the storyline quickly becomes here's here's what's 165 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: going on over at CNN and MSNBC. Our job tonight 166 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: actually is to scare people to death. On this subject 167 00:09:52,360 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: of the targets tonight s operating state warning point. How 168 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: long would it take to go for launch to strike 169 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: just twenty minutes at the level of destruction in the region. 170 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: In any kind of conflict between North and South Korea 171 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: that the US is involved with, they're trying to gets involved. Well, 172 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not something that the United States 173 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: has seen for a very long time, and frankly that 174 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: the world was don This photograph purports to show Kim 175 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: Jong un with a miniaturized nuke, and if it's a 176 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: real deal, this is what we can tell about it. 177 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: It would be roughly two feet across, probably several Oh spooky, scary? 178 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Are you frightened? Uh? Look, this is a serious problem. 179 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: But it's not time to hide under our desks at school, 180 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: right We're not going through that old Cold war hysteria again. 181 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: Off and the drills of what to do if if 182 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: there's you know, a nuclear first strike, hide under your desk. 183 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that would really keep too many people safe. 184 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: But uh, this is this is part of the media reaction, 185 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: and I should know this is also some of this 186 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: is driven by anti Trump ideology, but but there's also 187 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: a component of it. To be sure, that's just the 188 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: old you know, tonight at eight p m. You know, 189 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: is that thing you're going to make for dinner possibly lethal? 190 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: We'll tell you right after this break. I mean, this 191 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: is one of the oldest media tricks in the book, 192 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: you know, fear cells. Fear is a compelling story for people. 193 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, anything that makes people scared. I mean there's 194 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: actually a chemical reaction in your brain that occurs um 195 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: and some people, I think become kind of addicted to it. 196 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why people like to go 197 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: see scary movies, right because it hits certain sectors of 198 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: the brain. There's brain activity when you're frightened that there's 199 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: like an endorphins release or I forget what the what 200 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: the what the neurochemical reaction is. So you know, I'm 201 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: getting a little beyond my knowledge based, but I do 202 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: know that that happens. But just as any story needs 203 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: good guys and bad guys, or he needs conflict and resolution, uh, 204 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: with news stories, they're like fear. And I think unfortunately 205 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: too much. These days. It's really just fear and anger, 206 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: and I'm so much more concerned with with knowing and 207 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: understanding and and learning and being entertained. I I don't 208 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: do as much of the anger thing. I think it's 209 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: interesting to hear there's so many radio shows across the country, 210 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: and occasionally I'll catch them by accident here or there. 211 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: When I say by accident, I mean I'm looking for 212 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: one and I find another, or you know, because I 213 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: was a radio listener before I became a radio host, 214 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: and I'm always amazed it's just how angry, how angry 215 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: some people are all the time. I mean, I take 216 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: these things seriously. I find progressives to be pretty odious. 217 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: I think that there's some real conflicts that are within 218 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: our own country that we have to resolve, and I 219 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: do think North Korea is a very real threat, but 220 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: I just can't help but feel like it's been a 221 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: real threat for a long time, and kind of like Russia, 222 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: the Democrats were silent on it until there's a Republican 223 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: in office, and now it's, oh my gosh, we're all 224 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: gonna die. And in the case of Russia, of course 225 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: we're gonna die. Because Trump sold us out to the Russians. 226 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: In the case of North Korea, it's just, oh, well, 227 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, this is a terrible problem that just came 228 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. Man Like nobody could have seen this happening. No, 229 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: some of us have seen this coming. Some of us 230 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: have seen this coming for a long time. And I 231 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: think it's important to understand and then to get a 232 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: sense of what the probabilities are here that we'll have 233 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: a real military exchange of some kind, a a kinetic exchange. 234 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: And trying to think of all the most gentle euphemisms 235 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: for blowing up a lot of stuff and unfortunately killing 236 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: a lot of people. Um, you've got Colonel Ralph Peters 237 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: over at Fox saying the following, I don't believe in 238 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: threatening our enemies. I believe in killing them now. War 239 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: should always be a last resort. But we are coming 240 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: to the point in North Korea, because of the utterly 241 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: botched diplomacy, because of the ore, the inanity of our 242 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: approach to China on all this, that military conflict may 243 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: become inevitable. Primary reason for our government isn't social security 244 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: or health care, anything else, is to defend our people 245 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: in our territory. So I don't believe in threatening our enemies. 246 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: I believe in killing them. It's a good it's a 247 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: good one liner, but it also in the context of 248 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: North Korea is very complicated. Um you know, there's there 249 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: is no military there is no military option that I 250 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: can think of. And granted I'm not I was never 251 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: even before in my life in the government, and I'm 252 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: not now a military planner for options to deal with 253 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: North Korea. But I do know enough of the basics 254 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: to know that we're gonna we would have to kill 255 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people to take out take out that 256 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: whole apparatus, that military apparatus in North Korea, and we 257 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: might lose at a minimum many many South Koreans in 258 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: the process. Here's my here's what I'm gonna say. Though 259 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: I don't think we're there yet meeting, I don't think 260 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: that's about to happen. I think this is going to 261 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: fall out of the headlines. I think that within a 262 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: few days you'll see other stories getting a lot more 263 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: attention and will return to the status quo with North Korea. Now, 264 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: the status quo is eventually unsustainable, and I do think 265 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: that we are heading towards a path that could lead 266 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: to a very, very frightening place for us. But we 267 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: have some time, so we should think about it and 268 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: be uh, be as as sanguine as possible when discussing 269 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: the possibility of taking out a nuclear power um, because 270 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: that's really what we're talking about here. And let's not 271 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: allow the leftist media to act like this is all 272 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: because Trump is so crazy. No, no, Kim jowing On 273 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: is the crazy one, and there are no good options 274 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: for dealing with this right now. All right, I gotta 275 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: talk to you about why is the FBI rating maniports 276 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: home before dawn? That's that's some pretty intense stuff. Why 277 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: are they doing it? Well, I'll tell you, and we'll 278 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: have an expert to join as well, and just a 279 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: few stay with me. So you've got the Washington Post 280 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: reporting that all mentaforts home. Well, let me just tell 281 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: you what they report and then we'll talk more about it. 282 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: We got Anie McCarthy, who's one of the one of 283 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: the best guys out there on the scene when it 284 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: comes to anything federal criminal legal related. Uh, and you 285 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: know it was also just a super nice and humble guy. 286 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a Andy McCarthy fan. Um. But anyway, here's 287 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: what's the written in the Washington Post. FBI agents rated 288 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: the Alexandria home of President Trump's former campaign chairman late 289 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: last month, using a search warrant to seize documents and 290 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: other materials. According to people familiar with the Special Council investigation, 291 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: federal agents appeared at Paul Manafort's home without advance warning 292 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: in the pre dawn hours of July, the day after 293 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: he met voluntarily with the staff for the Senate Intelligence Committee. Uh, 294 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: this is not this does not look good. Now. It 295 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: should be noted, as many others have probably already said, 296 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: that this does not mean that Donald Trump has done 297 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: anything wrong. This does not mean that there is anything 298 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: that we should be looking at here and saying, oh 299 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: that they're they're onto Trump and his people. I have 300 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: told you from the beginning my concern about the Special 301 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: Counsel is not that it will find wrongdoing by Trump. 302 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: If that were the case, I would actually be okay 303 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: with it. But I am I would be absolutely shocked 304 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: if there was anything that they found with regard to 305 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: Trump himself and Russia collusion. I mean, I think that's 306 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: a that's a one in a thousand shot would be 307 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: my estimation right now. But when the special counsel, when 308 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: federal prosecutors decide that they're gonna find somebody and they're 309 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: gonna just they're gonna find a crime. People who don't 310 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: know the law don't have any understanding this. I worked 311 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: in law enforcement for a short time but also working 312 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: the federal government. Have had a lot of interactions with 313 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: prosecutors and federal prosecutors in the past. Um and if 314 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: they want to get you, they can get you pretty much. 315 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: You know, there's some there's some key places they'll go. 316 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: Your business interactions, Uh, your taxes obviously, if you've been 317 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: speaking under oath in any capacity over time, they'll look 318 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: for any misstatements. Uh, They'll they'll there's just they'll find 319 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: something that they will look for something and they will 320 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: find something. Now, is it enough to send you a 321 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: prison for the rest of your life. No, But is 322 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: it enough that they can bring some charge against you? 323 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: Very likely, especially when you're an individual like Manaford who's 324 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: been engaged in international political consulting and look, he's operating 325 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: in in some shady in some shady places and probably 326 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: doing some slightly shady stuff. Do I think that Manaford 327 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: could be I've said this to you before, I said 328 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: this months ago. Do you think Manaford could be in trouble? Yeah? Yeah, 329 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: he's working for a Russian backed political party in Ukraine. 330 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: Those guys don't mess around, they don't you know, they 331 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: don't They don't play whiffleball. They play hardball. So that 332 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: would not surprise me in the least if there was 333 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: a problem. Um, so it's it's really possible here. I 334 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: think that you'll see some charges against uh Maniford, but 335 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: they will have nothing to do with Russia collusion. People 336 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: are already saying, well, what about flipping Manifort on other people? Sure, 337 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: that may be, that may be something that happens. We 338 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: don't know. Now we're just postulating, right, we're surmising, we're 339 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: coming up with theories. But why would they do that 340 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: unless there's something else. They don't even know what that 341 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: something else is. I just find this whole thing to 342 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: be wasteful. And as somebody who is wary of government power, 343 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: forget about the fact that you know, I support that 344 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: in the administration and President Trump. As somebody who's wary 345 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: of government power, I am very wary of prosecutors without limitations. 346 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: He's back with you now, because when it comes to 347 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: the fight for truth, the fuck never stops. Everybody. The 348 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: biggest news of the day, of course, is the FBI 349 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: raid on Paul manaforts home. We've got somebody who can 350 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: walk us through all the most important points here, including 351 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: what's really happening with regard to procedure and what and 352 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: what analysis and conclusions can we take away from this 353 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: whole matter. We got Andy McCarthy on the line. He's 354 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: a former assistant U S Attorney for the Southern District 355 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: of New York, best selling author and contributing editor at 356 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: National Review. Andy, Great to have you back, Great to 357 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: be here, Buck, all right, what would just I want 358 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: the McCarthy hot take? As the kids say, right after 359 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: you saw that there was this raid on Manafort by 360 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: the Mueller probe, raid on his home, pre dawn raid, 361 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: what are your what are your thoughts that you don't 362 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: through a raid with the search warrant on the home 363 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: of a cooperating witness. So to me, the biggest takeaway 364 00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: is that Manafort has publicly projected that he's cooperating. He's 365 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: got lawyers who have not only said that, but he 366 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: evidently the day before the search was done. Buck, I 367 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: think the search was on the day before that. Interestingly, 368 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: he voluntarily testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee, which of 369 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: course is something he didn't have to do. He could 370 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: have taken the fifth uh and dodge it. He didn't, 371 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: and yet the very next day they uh not only 372 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: demanded evidence from him, but even though Mahler apparently has 373 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: a grand jury which means he's got subpoena power, he 374 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: could have issued a subpoena instructing Manafort two surrender documents 375 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: to the grand jury under compulsion. He evidently thought that 376 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: was not good enough and had search warrant obtained from 377 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: a court, which means the FBI could show up at 378 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: the guy's house, uh, demand entry, and rifle through the 379 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: place themselves to find what they were looking. So, so, 380 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: just for everyone listening, so we're all clear, Ye, this 381 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: is not pro forma, right, this is not oh well, 382 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: the of course they were going to do this. This 383 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: is a pretty aggressive prosecutorial step. Yeah. I mean, Buck, 384 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: when when you're dealing with somebody who's represented by lawyers 385 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: and who is cooperating in the investigation and we're told 386 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: that he not only was open to being interviewed, that 387 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: he's been giving documents at least to Congress. Um. Generally speaking, 388 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: a prosecutor would issue a subpoena to the guy's lawyers saying, 389 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: these are the documents we want you to turn over 390 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 1: to us. The only reason you wouldn't do that, at 391 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: least legitimately, is if you had a good faith belief 392 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: that the guy would destroy the evidence, if he knew 393 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: you were looking for it, and therefore you couldn't trust 394 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: him to turn it over even under compulsion, you have 395 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: to have the agents go out and seize it. Um. 396 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: Now the you know, there's a second explanation that's not 397 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: as nice as the first. The first assumes in good 398 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: faith the agents believe a guy may destroy the evidence. 399 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: The other is that they're trying to intimidate him, which 400 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: is I was gonna ask, is he sending a message here? Yeah, 401 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: they're playing hardball when they don't have to, um, and 402 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: they're sending a message not only to him but to 403 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: everybody else in the investigation that they're that you know, 404 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: this is for real, and they expect people to tell 405 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: them everything they know. I mean to go in pre dawn. 406 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: Clearly it's to catch them at their at their most 407 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, whoever's home and Afford or anyone else they're 408 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: they're least aware, least likely to I don't think they 409 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: thought there's gonna be any resistance, but they're sort of 410 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: more slow moving, harder for them to get that one 411 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: last sprint into the office, to get into the desk drawer, 412 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: to destroy that hard driver or whatever it may be. 413 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of um, a lot of implications, 414 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: and and you're telling me those implications seem pretty pretty 415 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: spot on as to what we can think about this. 416 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: But I want to ask you if you think that 417 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: part of this maybe that they are and this will 418 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: go into our our next just part of discussion as well, 419 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: which is, you know, where is all this going. Are 420 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: they trying to flip him? You think that they may 421 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: be trying to get him with just anything at least 422 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: make him nervous enough that maybe he's more cooperative and 423 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: then we'll tell them whatever they whatever they want to 424 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: find out about anybody else in this investigation. Do you 425 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: think that's possible? Is that likely? Well? Buck, Look, anybody 426 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: who's not the ultimate target of your investigation. You always 427 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: want to flip um in this investigation would do with 428 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: prosecutors who have a long and documented history of being 429 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 1: very good but very aggressive and uh, you know. One 430 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: of the ways that you flip somebody early in time 431 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: and uh, you know try to get your investigation moving 432 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: in the direction you want to move it in, is 433 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: you squeeze them very hard. And you know, look, there's 434 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: there's a couple of different ways of going about this. Right. 435 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: We saw ten Star back in the nineties did the 436 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: dance with uh with miss Lewinsky for about eight months. 437 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: Right by the time she finally rolled, he was in 438 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: a very different posture. I think, you know, hard nosed 439 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: prosecutors as opposed to the kind of lawyers who you know, 440 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: specialize in braces. The Supreme Court, Um, don't play the 441 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: game that way. They you know, if they if they 442 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: have you over barrel and they have targets that are 443 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: up the chain from you, Uh, they squeeze you to 444 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: get what they're looking for. How easy is it, by 445 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: the way, or how does the decision get made? What 446 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: are the guidelines for somebody like Maniford just theoretically, let's 447 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: say they got him on something that's you know, I 448 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: don't know that they have him on like a tax 449 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: at tax evasion charge, that's what they find from all this, 450 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: But they really want to know about some meetings that 451 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: some other Trump associate had had. Can they basically say 452 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: to him, uh, you know what, you tell us everything 453 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: we want to know, and you're you're honest about everything 454 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: about this other stuff. We make that tax evasion charge 455 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: go away? Or is that just in the movies? You 456 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Is does that actually happen like that? 457 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: Or is it usually will give you something less? Yeah, 458 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: something like that does happen, but it's it's at least 459 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: in my office. It wasn't that way what you would 460 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: normally do because the sentencing guidelines are very much in 461 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: favor of the prosecutor here. Um what they what they 462 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: are is pretty severe in cases where you've committed a 463 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: serious crime. But the escape patches, if you cooperate with 464 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: the government, the judge can give you uh no time 465 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: or a very short period of time, but the escape 466 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: patches you have to cooperate. So what you would usually 467 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: do is try to build an airtight case on somebody 468 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: and then say to him, look, you're only out here 469 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: is to plead guilty and cooperate. Plus, from a prosecutor standpoint, 470 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: a witness who has pled guilty to a crime is 471 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: a much more attractive witness than somebody have given a 472 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: walk to. Expeaking to Andrew McCarthy. He is a best 473 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: selling author contributing International View. He has a few pieces 474 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: up on the whole UH investigation with Muller and the 475 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: raid on Manafort's home. Paul Manafort was the campaign chairman 476 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump before he was fired last summer or 477 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: a year ago. Andy, what about Rosenstein and his I 478 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: know you've written about this on National Review is failure 479 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: to defend UH? Well, he fails to defend his failure 480 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: to limit Mueller's investigation. Tell me about this, well, the 481 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: regulation buck for appointing a special counsel requires the Justice 482 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: Department to to state what the factual basis is for 483 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: a criminal investigation that the Justice Department is UH is 484 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: conflicted from participating in. And that's the reason that you 485 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: have to have the prosecutor in the first place. Rosen 486 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: Steam didn't do that. So what you know, Ordinarily, what 487 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: happens is there's a crime and you assign a prosecutor 488 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: and if the prosecutor you have it has a conflict 489 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: of interest that prevents him from being an appropriate prosecutor 490 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: to investigate that crime. H then you get a special counsel. 491 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: What the Justice Department did in this case was they 492 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: appointed as actual counsel without outlining a crime, and they 493 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: basically have unleashed them to go find prime right. So 494 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: there's no there is no specific there is no limitation 495 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: for what they can look at here because it's open 496 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: ended right now. By the way, that for for people 497 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: who are are watching this closely there, this is unusual, 498 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: right to start an investigation of this scope in scale 499 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: without a single specified crime as the basis of the investigation. 500 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: That is not normal procedure, right any that's exactly right now. 501 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. You're a prosecutor for a 502 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: couple of decades, and he was a federal prosecute Everybody 503 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: here in New York seeing a lot of stuff. If 504 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm just asking, I know you don't know, Andy, and 505 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: I know you're you know, you're not part of the 506 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: investigation or anything, but just going on your gut, is 507 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: Paul Manifort in trouble? Yeah, when they're when they're searching 508 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,239 Speaker 1: your house and they show up. You Look, here's one 509 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: little tidbit that tells you everything I think you need 510 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: to know. If, as the Washington Post reported this dawn 511 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: at this raid happened before dawn, they would have had 512 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: to get permission from the district court two serve a 513 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: search warrant before six o'clock in the morning. And to 514 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: do that you basically have to tell the court. Uh. 515 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: You know, this is not a case, as you pointed out, 516 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: where the agents would have felt at risk going through 517 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: the door, right, Um, so you basically probably have to 518 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: tell the court we think this guy would destroy documents. 519 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: That's why you have to let us, you know, basically 520 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: get in before everybody's awaken. Alert. Um that that's not 521 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: the posture that you take with somebody that you don't 522 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: think is uh uh in some trouble. See. I think 523 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: that's very I think that's for interesting any because if 524 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: it was just a show of force, so to speak, 525 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: they could have sent the agents you know around whatever, 526 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: ten am, two pm, just showed up and said, Okay, 527 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: we're going through your house. But the pre dawn aspect 528 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: of this is you're telling me, now that's even a 529 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: level beyond that's yeah. Now I'm I'm assuming that the 530 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: Washington Post is at curtly recorded reported that it's a 531 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: pre dawn raid um and that, you know, even if 532 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: they didn't get permission from a court to do it 533 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: under pre dawn circumstances, again conveys the idea that they 534 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: think the guy would destroy evidence. The other thing I 535 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: think is interesting, Buck is the one crime out there 536 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: that people think, we're seemed to think that the Manafort 537 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: may have a real problem with is the failure to 538 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: register as a foreign agent for work that he did 539 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: for this party in Ukraine. And the reason I think 540 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: that's interesting is evidently the Justice Department has prosecuted that 541 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: as a crime exactly four times in the last ten years. 542 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: Most of the time when people violate that, they just 543 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: send them a letter and tell them you better register. Wow, 544 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: what do you think happens If at the end of 545 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: this all they have is that on Manafort, I think, 546 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: then then this whole then the whole Manafort frenzy right 547 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: now seems pretty over the top. Well, it does play 548 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: into I mean, I'm not using the words uh witch 549 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: hunt that that the president uses because I really hope 550 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: Mueller is not doing that. But I have used the 551 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: term fishing expedition because I don't think there's any limits 552 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: to this. If it turns out that they're trying to 553 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: squeeze him on a nonsense crime because they're they're trying 554 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: to make a case on the president, um, then I think, 555 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, Trump probably has a point when he says 556 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: witch hunt. And the last one for you, I just 557 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: at this stage of the game of is Mueller we 558 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: hear so much and you know, the media of course 559 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: has this lens of whether it like somebody or don't. 560 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: That's whether they're honorable and good to their job or not. 561 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: But you know, these people all by reputation, you know 562 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: a lot of them personally. Is Mueller really? Is he 563 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: beyond reproach in terms of his integrity and honor when 564 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: it comes to discharging his duties as a prosecutor investigator. 565 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: I think that everybody I think that Mueller is a 566 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: very honorable guy and a great patriot. I also think 567 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: that the brilliance of our system is that we don't 568 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: rely on any he being a good guy. We hope 569 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: they are, but we we try to keep them within 570 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: the guidelines. And what I worry about here is there 571 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: aren't any guidelines. You know, the Justice Department is supposed 572 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: to set parameters on this investigation. They haven't. Um, once 573 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: you're in the heat of the battle, even if you're 574 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: an honorable guy, if you think that you have an 575 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: open warrant to go find a crime on someone and 576 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: you start to legitimately go through evidence, um, you're gonna 577 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: look for a crime. So it was really incumbent on 578 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: the system to keep Moller honest. And I'm not suggesting 579 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: that he's dishonest, but the Justice Department should have given 580 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: him an investigative warrant that had strict parameters of what 581 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: crimes he was allowed to investigate, which wouldn't have prevented 582 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: him from investigating new crimes if he found new evidence. 583 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: But he would simply have had to go back to 584 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: the Justice Department and asked for his warrant to be expanded. 585 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: That's the way it's supposed to work. And here it 586 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: seems to me that they didn't do anything of the 587 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: or what they did was basically give him a blank check. 588 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: And I don't care how honorable you are. I don't 589 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: think anybody should get a blank check. Andy McCarthy National 590 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: review everybody. Check out his latest National Review dot com. 591 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: You can follow him at Andrew McCarthy on Twitter. Andy 592 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: always great insight. Really appreciate your time today. Thanks so much, Buck, team, 593 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: we all hit a break and be back with much more. 594 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: Stay with me. We got Mark on w f L 595 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: A and Florida. What's up, Mark? Hey? Buck? How are you? 596 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm good man, thanks for calling in, Hey, thank you 597 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: for having me listen. I'll make you quick and then 598 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: I'll let you go to hear your response. But as 599 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: a child, I'm I'm near in my fifties. As a child, 600 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: I grew up inside the Beltway in superb And Virginia, 601 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, And I remember we only had three TV 602 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: stations back then, you know, uh, ABC, NBC, CBS and 603 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: on the U A d U H channel BBS. You 604 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: know you remember this anyway, and I was the remote 605 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: control when my dad wanted me to the channel changed, 606 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: I was the guy that got up and changed channel. 607 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: So anyway, I remember Walter Concite and even news every night, 608 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: and that's the way it was on August whatever today's 609 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: date is, you know, two thousand and seventeen. And then 610 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: Dan Rather replaced him, you know, and uh, my dad 611 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: wasn't a big fan of Dan Rather, even though we 612 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: watched sixty minutes religiously after football every Sunday even and 613 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: I remember my dad getting just angry. Yes I'm listening, saying, okay, Mark, 614 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: So so where are we going here? Alright? Alright? Right? 615 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: So my dad was a conservative. He was not. He 616 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 1: even had a letter from Robert Willian. My my pops 617 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: was conservatives that come. But he and I, as I 618 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: grew older, got into it h discussion one night about 619 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: Nixon and to do process of Nixon and how that happened, 620 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: and he he didn't agree with it, but I did 621 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: because Nixon lied. And that's that. So that's the standard 622 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: or the bar of integrity. Okay, believe I still believe that. 623 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: So when we're dealing with Manafort and President Trump, I 624 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: understand that we need to keep this as integrals we can. 625 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: But my question to you is is where was this 626 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: standard when Hillary Clinton met on the you know, or 627 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton meant on the tarmac with Lynch? Where was 628 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: the standard? And God forbid Ben Gos, why is it 629 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: now we have real investigative processes? Well, I actually tweeted 630 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: out earlier today that I certainly don't remember any pre 631 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: dawn FBI raids of Hillary Clinton's home, despite the fact 632 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: that she was a seri real violator without question. This 633 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: is beyond dispute, a serial violator statutes on the handling 634 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: classified information, national security information. So there was never a 635 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: predawn raid on Hillary's home and she was very close 636 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: to getting charged. So imagine if after this, by the way, 637 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: they don't charge man of for what will that tell 638 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: us about all of this? It will show that, well, 639 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: this was a show investigation and hopefully it doesn't lead 640 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: to a show trial. But we will see. We'll see Mark. Yeah, 641 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: there's a double standard for sure, and I think that 642 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: we'll see more of it play out. Unfortunately, thanks for 643 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: calling in Man Shields high. Uh. I should note before 644 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: we go in to break that there's some breaking news 645 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: on North Korea. This is just going to add more here. Um. 646 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: You have the New York Post reporting that North Korea 647 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: sets a mid August deadline for attacking Guam, and the 648 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,479 Speaker 1: North Korean military is quote awaiting orders to unleash four 649 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: missiles at military bases near Guam because officials believe President 650 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: Trump is too bereft of reason for negotiations. The country's 651 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: state run media has just reported today, Uh, the U 652 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: S President at a golf links again let out a 653 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: load of nonsense about fire and fury, failing to grasp 654 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: the ongoing grave situation. General Kim rack Yaum said in 655 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: a statement, this is extremely getting on the nerves of 656 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: the infuriated Hua Song artilleryman of the k S. A 657 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft 658 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: of reason, and only absolute force can work on him. Okay, well, 659 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: that's what North Korea is saying here. Uh, it's it's 660 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: definitely an escalation of rhetoric for them to say that 661 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: they think that or that they have a deadline for 662 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: taking some form of action against US or against Guam 663 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: and U S military bases. So we will have to 664 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: continue to watch what's going on in North Korea. I 665 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: don't think it's very unlikely that anything will really happen here. 666 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: I just want to say that. But then again, a 667 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: lot of people didn't think that Sudan would invade Kuwait. 668 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: You know, that was that was crazy. Kennedy's not invade Kuwait, 669 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: that's nuts, And then he did and then we had 670 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: a war. So sometimes the the unlikely does happen. He's 671 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: holding the line for America. Buck Sexton his back. Oh 672 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: we got Kenny in Boston on w k o X. 673 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: What's up Kenny? Hello? Buck? How are you doing. I 674 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: just started listening to your show fairly recently. I've seen 675 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: you a few times on TV. But I don't want 676 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: to get right to the point. I don't want to 677 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: have any dead space here for you. So Andrew McCarthy 678 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: I believe was his name, was on just recently on 679 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: their show, and McCarthy just st right. So he provided 680 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: an analysis of the Palm Manifort pre dawn raid. Right, 681 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: So I have a I have a couple of issues 682 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: with that. It sounds like the general takeaway that he 683 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 1: wants you to have is that this is really serious, 684 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: and you know they had to get a pre dawn 685 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: raid because it means that he was going to destroy evidence, 686 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: which sounds logical. Um, well, can I can I just 687 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: jump in? Andy wasn't saying that he thought that he 688 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: was going to destroy evidence. He was just saying from 689 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: the perspective of somebody with decades as a federal prosecutor, 690 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: which is what Andy had here in the Southern District 691 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: which is a pretty rocking place to be a federal prosecutor, 692 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: you here in Manhattan. He was saying that a prosecutor 693 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: would have that's an elevated request to go to the 694 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: court with that, because it's clearly more intrusive, and so 695 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: they must have had to make that case to the 696 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: judge because otherwise you would just show up at the 697 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: house that during normal hours. So, I mean, he he's 698 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: just telling you how this plays out. He's not saying 699 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: that he thought that man of Fort was trying to 700 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: destroy things. I feel like you think that Andy was 701 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: passing judgment on mantaphor with that, He's just passing judgment 702 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: on the process. I think that was the takeaway that 703 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: I sort of got that, not that he was necessarily 704 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: saying that, but he sort of left me with that impression. Well, 705 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: I think that's the right impression, if that's what you're 706 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean that the impression is that it's an elevated 707 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, look at Kenny. If if somebody, if the 708 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: police come and knock at your door and say, hey, Kenny, 709 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: we'd like to talk to you. That's one thing. If 710 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: a swat team comes and knocks your door down and says, 711 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,240 Speaker 1: get on the ground. That's another thing. Right, there's clearly 712 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: somewhere along the line of different decisions have been made. 713 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: Both of them are contact with law enforcement, but one 714 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: requires a greater level of well obviously a greater level 715 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: of urgency and force than the other. Right, So there 716 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: must have been some discussion behind the scenes. Do you 717 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying about how the process does tell 718 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: us something? Well, I believe so, and I think some 719 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: of the process is not really officially in process. But 720 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: I believe that was leaked out, wasn't it in details 721 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: of this rate? Wasn't that leaked out? Yeah? I think 722 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: that the raid details were leaked. Now, keep in mind 723 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: that I'm assuming that, you know, Manafort doesn't live out 724 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: on out on a farm in Virginia, you know, with 725 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: with hundreds of acres of pasture land around, And I'm 726 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: assuming that when you're talking about this kind of situation, 727 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: you're gonna have FBI agents pulling up lots of them, 728 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be going through the house, and it's 729 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to keep that under wraps. To to be fair, 730 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this is Mueller's team necessarily leaking 731 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: it out or this is just people are gonna know. 732 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: And so people know, do you do you see what 733 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm not clear to me which one of 734 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 1: those is true. Well, weren't other things though in Mueller's 735 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: investigation being leaked out? Oh yeah, absolutely, Oh they're they've 736 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: definitely been leaks about. There was a leak about the 737 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: grand jury. But again, that could be one of the 738 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: grand jurors. That doesn't necessarily mean it's Mueller's office. And 739 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not trying to run interference for 740 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: Mueller's team. I'm sure Mueller's got people of that are 741 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: leaking stuff. I'm just saying I don't know if the 742 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: raid was leaked or if it's just known, right, I mean, 743 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 1: you get you get eight government suv s come screeching 744 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: up to your house and a bunch of dudes with 745 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: FBI jackets come running in like people are gonna know. 746 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: That is correct? But what is the How do we 747 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: know that they didn't set it up to make it 748 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: to specifically get a pre dawn raid to make it 749 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: appear as if Manafort was going to destroying well, and 750 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: while I asked Andy about that, I said, is this 751 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: sending a message? And he said, yeah, it could be. 752 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this may be trying to show everybody who's 753 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: a target of the investigation or who's involved in this 754 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: Russia collusion investigation, which keep in mind, we still don't 755 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: even have a crime to speak of, right, we can't 756 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: even say this is the you know, this is the 757 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm trying to think of 758 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 1: what it could be. You know, this is the failing 759 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: to register as a foreign agent Act registration or something. 760 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: Who knows, we don't even know what it is, um, 761 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: But it may be that the Muller team decided to 762 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: do this to put every it else on notice that 763 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: you can give your interviews to the media, you can 764 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: go testify before Congress, do whatever you want. But if 765 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: we still want stuff, we're coming to get it right. 766 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: So that may be the case now and also may 767 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: be the case they put pressure from a public relations 768 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: standpoint on some of these people that you know, you 769 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: better cooperate and talk or else you're gonna be the 770 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: next one to get the FBI, you know, knocking on 771 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: your door at five am, because you know, look, that's 772 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: really you put yourself in the shoes of Paul Manaford 773 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if his family was there 774 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: or not, but that's it's startling, right. It's uh, you know, 775 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: you take notice of a bunch of guys coming to 776 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: your door saying we're in the midst of a criminal investigation. 777 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: Stand aside while we go through all your stuff at 778 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: five am. That's that's some uh, that's frightening stuff for 779 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: for a person to go through. There's just another target 780 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: of this investigation and all these stuff. The target is 781 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,720 Speaker 1: in the public through the media, so that the people 782 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: know that it's a pre dawn raid and that, oh 783 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: he's probably destroying evidence. That is what they try harying 784 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: to get out. In my mind, I think that's what's 785 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: going on, and they leaked it out to make sure 786 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: people know that, Yeah, there are definitely optics. They're definitely 787 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: optics at play here, Kenny, and I think that it's 788 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: it turns up the heat and it makes it seem 789 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: like Mueller's people are not to be trifled with. I 790 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: get it, and I think that's a very valid point. 791 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling in from the beloved w ko X 792 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: up in Boston. Great to hear from you, man. I 793 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: want some more w k o X callers. I think 794 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: you guys are listening up there and gals light up 795 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: these lines. Got a lot of a lot of Team 796 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: Buck south of the Mason Dixon lightening up the lines. 797 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 1: Not as many folks up in the Boston area, you know, 798 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: So just I'm just saying, you know, the South is 799 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: carrying the carrying a lot of the weight here. Where 800 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: where are you my Northeastern team Buck peeps? Um, let's 801 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: get to uh we have Oh well, anyway, um, I 802 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,320 Speaker 1: want to talk to you a bit. We've got some 803 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: other lines of lit, but I gotta see what the 804 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: We're having some technical issues with me seeing the names 805 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: on the screen. Live radio being what it is, and 806 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: right now we've got a whole bunch of peop calling 807 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: and I can't necessarily know who it is. So we'll 808 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 1: get to them. And if you're on hold, stay with 809 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: me for a second. We'll get We'll get your name going, 810 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: and we will get to your call. Because I have 811 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: a follow up. I think a really interesting one. Of course, 812 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting because I'm gonna talk to 813 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: you about it. Oh wait, two follow ups? Uh to 814 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't know not mulligans because I didn't miss the 815 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: first shot. But there. Yeah, they're around to their sequels, 816 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: like the al Gore saquel UM two an Inconvenient Truth. 817 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to talk. We'll have to do al 818 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: Gore tomorrow. I've been meeting to get to al Gore 819 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: all week. We will get there. You know this, My 820 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: movie is just not making the money that it should. Uh. 821 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: It's fifteenth right now in the box office, which is 822 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: I think it made less than a million dollars. And 823 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: I want to Tomorrow we'll upload the trailer. We gotta 824 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: do a whole I'm not gonna get to it today, 825 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: but I just a little teaser for tomorrow. We will 826 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,919 Speaker 1: get to We have to Save the Planet. We will 827 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: get to al Gore. We will um and I will 828 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: work on my al Gore impersonation a bit tonight. So oh, 829 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: A couple of things. One is that the New York 830 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: Times had to retract and I mentioned this on a Steve, 831 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 1: but I just want to note that they get so 832 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: snippy whenever you bring up fake news or the President 833 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: says anything about fake news, they get so nasty about it. 834 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: And yet yesterday you had The New York Times running 835 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 1: with this whole story about how government employees were leaking 836 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: a climate change report because they want to save the planet. Uh, 837 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: they're leaking a climate change report because they're wordy. The 838 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: Trump administration is going to destroy, to join, to suppress 839 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: it turns out that it was public for months. Now. 840 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: I know that they would say that this is a 841 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: good faith error, but it's a pretty blatant terror, isn't. 842 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: It seems to me that this falls in the category 843 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: of errors you make when you have an agenda and 844 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: you're trying to hurt the administration and you hate the administration. 845 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: So there's a big If it's not fake news, it's 846 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: false news. And this was pretty bad. Um, so let's oh, 847 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: now I got got a bunch of I'll look at 848 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: this line is all lit. Thank you so much, Team 849 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: Wayne in Mississippi w b V. Hey Wayne, Yeah, but 850 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: thanks for taking it, buddy, Thank you little Yeah. So, 851 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: I'd like to know there wasn't Mueller in charge at FBI. 852 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: One Obama little Hugo, we call him down Huge Chad 853 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: is little huge little Hugo. Put him. Uh put this 854 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,879 Speaker 1: Muslim terrorist or Muslim brotherhood guy up there going through 855 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: all the laws and uh statues or whatever that anything 856 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: that we that went back to Islam of terrorist and 857 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: how they've been with us, Oh, well since the beginning. 858 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,400 Speaker 1: You know, if if what my point is, Buck is 859 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,800 Speaker 1: if Mr Muller was so good and loved his country 860 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 1: and he was the director of the FBI at that time, 861 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: one world with a man like that who loves his 862 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: country and his job and just cares for America, sit 863 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,839 Speaker 1: there and let uh Muslim there. I don't know, are 864 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: you talking Wayne about about the scrubbing of teaching materials 865 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: inside of FBI and law enforcement to get rid of 866 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: any references to radical Islam or to Yeah. I remember 867 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: being at the NYPD and doing some doing some unclassified 868 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,760 Speaker 1: terrorism training stuff. These modules they'd bring in these different 869 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: groups to train us on stuff, and I was always 870 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: amazed at how there there were all these were always 871 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: worried about about a white supremacist bombing somewhere that was 872 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,840 Speaker 1: all of our security modules. Is like, so you know, 873 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: a guy named Bob is trying to blow up the 874 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: local federal building because he hates America. And I'm like, 875 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: so this is I'm in the counter terrorism this is 876 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: what we're looking at. Okay, I guess so I had 877 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: to live it Wayne. It wasn't just I read about it. 878 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 1: I had to go through it. Uh. And yeah, I 879 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 1: don't know what Mueller's role was or you know, I 880 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: don't I don't know if he ever even got involved, 881 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, in the scrubbing of FBI 882 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: training material his radical Islam. But it's a it's a 883 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: question that I could say, I will look into some more. 884 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: And I appreciate you calling him Mansfield tive Tom in 885 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: Ohio w w V A, Hey, Tom. Yeah, you know, 886 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: this to me is just another extension of this whole 887 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: scenario of Rosenstein colluding with Mueller, including with Comey. Uh, 888 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,279 Speaker 1: in other words, getting uh the special prosecutor in there, 889 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:33,359 Speaker 1: uh special council, him picking attorneys the majority of which 890 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: were Democrats, were Democratic contributors, Uh and uh to my understanding, 891 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,880 Speaker 1: no Republicans picking a grand jury in Washington, d C. 892 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: Which voted nine percent for Hillary and only four percent 893 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 1: for Trump when there was already one convened in Andrea. 894 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: Uh Virginia, Alexandra Virginia, excuse me, and uh, you know 895 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: it's just just the pre dawn raid is to give 896 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,319 Speaker 1: the idea of what we've got to get this guy 897 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: here's gonna do something no other It creates an image, 898 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 1: uh that that they're right, and uh there's something they're 899 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,320 Speaker 1: just like if if they were saying, well, the police 900 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: went in guns drawn, even though no nobody in the 901 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: house they had a gun. They knew they didn't have 902 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,880 Speaker 1: a gun. They knew there was no problem there. But 903 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: there's just, as you say, the optics involved. And I 904 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: really don't know why Jeff Sessions number one has been 905 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 1: so um impotent in terms of going after the Democrats, 906 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: other than maybe the fixes in I mean, you know, 907 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: maybe the whole idea I've been I've been consistent all along, Right, 908 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: you've been listening to the show. I said, special counsels, 909 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 1: the terrible idea. Jeff Sessions should not have accused himself. 910 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: They're letting this monster get out of the cage, and 911 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 1: they're not gonna like where it goes. I've been saying 912 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: this four months, and here we are. It's coming. The 913 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,280 Speaker 1: only thing that's missing it's Judge roy Bean. Remember Judge 914 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 1: roy being the only law west of the pay Cos, 915 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,320 Speaker 1: the hanging judge, and his motto was give him a 916 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 1: fair trial and take him out and hang him. No, 917 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 1: I don't remember it. I don't, but that's an interesting anecdote. 918 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,879 Speaker 1: I'm unfamiliar with that, judge, But thank you for bringing 919 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 1: to my attention Tom Shield time and thanks for the call. 920 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: We are going to run into a breaking I gotta 921 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,360 Speaker 1: talk to you about when science no longer counts as science. 922 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: That's an arty. Oh that's coming because of course you 923 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 1: have a PhD in biology writing about women in technology 924 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,800 Speaker 1: and why there are differences between the employment rates of 925 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 1: men and women in tech companies. So now they have 926 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,319 Speaker 1: to question that. Now that the science has to come 927 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 1: into question, right, or science in general and its ability 928 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,359 Speaker 1: to answer these questions. Uh, it's fascinating how this happens. Right, Um, 929 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,400 Speaker 1: we'll go we'll go there and we may actually have 930 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: a quick North Korea expert update on what's going on. 931 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: So uh, a lot of show and then we're talking 932 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: affirmative action. A lot of show coming. I'll be back 933 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 1: with you and just a few stay with me. A 934 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 1: welcome back, everybody. I wanted to talk to you a 935 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,879 Speaker 1: bit more about North Korea and bringing an expert. We've 936 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 1: got Gordon Chang, our friend on the line. Now. He's 937 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: the author of the Coming Collapse of China, and nuclear showdown, 938 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: North Korea takes on the world. Gordon, thanks for making 939 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 1: the time. Thank you so much. Buck So North Korea. 940 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,319 Speaker 1: In the latest reporting we see Gordon says that there 941 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,919 Speaker 1: is now a deadline for a military response and they're 942 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,200 Speaker 1: specifying Guam as a target. What do we make of this, Well, 943 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,600 Speaker 1: this is just North Korea just trying to try it 944 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: on see how the United States reacts. I'm sure that 945 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,440 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Arned, the ruler of North Korea, is concerned 946 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: about what Trump will do, and he's probably using this 947 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: to a measure of how the United States is going 948 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: to react now. Secretary of Defense Maddis today said that 949 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,040 Speaker 1: the North Korean should stop these threats because they will 950 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: end in the They will end in the destruction of 951 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,480 Speaker 1: the regime and the people of North Korea. And that 952 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: is an indication that the president's words indeed um means 953 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:15,319 Speaker 1: something these uh the idea of the fire and fury. Well, Gordon, 954 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 1: what is the What is the main change in the 955 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 1: last few days and the last few months Perhaps that 956 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,320 Speaker 1: has gotten people across the political spectrum really so concerned 957 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 1: about North Korea? Is is it the credible threat of 958 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,800 Speaker 1: the i cb M with the nuke on top or 959 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,879 Speaker 1: is it just the missile testing a combination thereof Why 960 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 1: are why are people now finally paying attention to this issue? Well, 961 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 1: I think the accelerated missile testing has caught people's attention. 962 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 1: And then when you add that to the notion that 963 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,359 Speaker 1: the North Koreans in about a year or so, we'll 964 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: be able to put a nuke on top of the 965 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,799 Speaker 1: missile that will reach the United States, that gives a deadline. 966 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,880 Speaker 1: People have yet to really think about the critical issue, 967 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 1: and that is will we be able to her in 968 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,920 Speaker 1: North Korea? Can we live with North Korea? Just that 969 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: it's like we're living with for now? That has gone 970 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: the issue the stability of the Korean state where Kim 971 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,040 Speaker 1: Jong en can be deterred because and we determine that 972 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,719 Speaker 1: he has the ability to nucas and that he is 973 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,720 Speaker 1: not deteral and that argues for you, so of force 974 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: and the force could end up in history's next great conflict. 975 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: So the issues can't be more important than they are now. Gordon, 976 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: what would you say, just not not to make a 977 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,239 Speaker 1: counter argument, but just to offer for consideration for those 978 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,120 Speaker 1: who would make the case. And I'm sure there will 979 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,960 Speaker 1: be some that we sleep soundly at night even though 980 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,279 Speaker 1: Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Why not just understand that North 981 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: Korea is rational at the leadership level, that even if 982 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 1: they have a nuke, they're not going to be so 983 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: crazy as to hit us without saying, oh, well, that's 984 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: just wrong. What would one need to take into consideration 985 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: to really understand the level of the threat or or 986 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,759 Speaker 1: the reality that we're living in. Once North Korea can 987 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 1: hit the US with the nuclear missile, what would you 988 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,839 Speaker 1: want that person to know? And keep in mind two things. 989 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,160 Speaker 1: First of all, the North Korean regime doesn't books people. 990 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,160 Speaker 1: You know, from time to time we see these bouts 991 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 1: of turbulence, and we saw one in January and February 992 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,760 Speaker 1: of this year where there are a number of events 993 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: including the assassination of Kim Jong Nam, the ruler's elder 994 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,160 Speaker 1: half brother, also the detention and the demotion of the 995 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: Minister of State Security and the execution of five of 996 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,319 Speaker 1: his senior subordinates, plus some other things. Um. That indicates 997 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,720 Speaker 1: that maybe North Korea can't be deterred. Um. That's an 998 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: important question and there's a lot of learning on that, 999 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,800 Speaker 1: but just that's the issue. The second thing, and this 1000 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 1: is what really concerns me, and that is when Kim 1001 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,799 Speaker 1: Jong owen feels comfortable in his arsenal, when he feels invulnerable, 1002 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 1: he probably will try to use his nukes to blackmail 1003 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: the United States to break the treaty with South Korea, 1004 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,120 Speaker 1: to get our twenty eight thousand five entered service personnel 1005 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 1: off the peninsula, so then he can then destroy the 1006 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 1: South Korean state. Um the destruction of the South Korean 1007 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,359 Speaker 1: state is the overarching goal of the Camera Team UH. 1008 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,439 Speaker 1: It is the unification of Korea and the unification under 1009 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: Pyeng Yang's rule. So probably Kim jongan will do things 1010 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,640 Speaker 1: that will end up um increasing substantially the possibility of 1011 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,759 Speaker 1: the next Great War. Do you think there's a possibility, 1012 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 1: Gordon that in the upper ranks of the North Korean 1013 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,440 Speaker 1: military and political leadership, which is the same thing that 1014 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,400 Speaker 1: they believe that if they were able to get the 1015 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,839 Speaker 1: US to withdraw troops, that they could they could take 1016 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,719 Speaker 1: South Korea quickly enough that the international community wouldn't really 1017 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: want to try to change things back, wouldn't be that essentially, 1018 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,640 Speaker 1: they could make it a faded calm plea and they 1019 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,840 Speaker 1: could unify the peninsula. Do you think they believe that. 1020 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,480 Speaker 1: I think that there's a real possibility that they believe that, 1021 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: largely because although the South Korean military is extremely capable, 1022 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't have webs of mass destruction, it doesn't have 1023 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,920 Speaker 1: chemical and biological agents, and it certainly doesn't have nuclear weapons. 1024 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,560 Speaker 1: So the North Korean leadership, although it realizes there are 1025 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 1: many deficiencies to their armed forces, realize that they have 1026 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: the equalizer and if they have China's backing and permission, 1027 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 1: which they did, by the way, in nineteen fifty, then 1028 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,480 Speaker 1: they might reasonably think that they can absorb South Korea 1029 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: with a lightning military blow. Gordon Chang is the author 1030 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,200 Speaker 1: of The Coming Collapse of China and Nuclear Showdown North 1031 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 1: Korea takes on the World. He's one of the very 1032 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,120 Speaker 1: best analysts on this issue out there, guys. If you 1033 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 1: want to read more about a check out his books 1034 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 1: and also go to Gordon Chang dot com. Gordon, great 1035 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,959 Speaker 1: to have you on. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Buck. 1036 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about when science is 1037 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 1: no longer really science, or when science doesn't provide the 1038 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 1: answer anymore. Here's a hint. It has to do with 1039 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 1: the issue and the politics around it. 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This guy writes for the 1077 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,800 Speaker 1: New York Times and he is uh, he puts out 1078 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: this stat that Google, Remember they fired a guy for 1079 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,760 Speaker 1: writing about their diversity programs. Google has spent two hundred 1080 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,080 Speaker 1: and sixty five million dollars on diversity and recruitment and 1081 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,840 Speaker 1: basically hasn't changed his workforce at all. Two hundred and 1082 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:36,080 Speaker 1: sixty five million dollars on quote diversity, and it hasn't worked. 1083 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,080 Speaker 1: So how do you spend First of all, how do 1084 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,960 Speaker 1: you even spend that much money in diversity? Think about that? 1085 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,000 Speaker 1: And as a very astute comment from Ross Doutfit from 1086 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: The New York Times, he writes, in response to this 1087 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,920 Speaker 1: two and sixty five million dollars in diversity, it's almost 1088 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 1: as if the main point of these efforts is not 1089 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:57,360 Speaker 1: to achieve diversity but to perform progressivism. He is absolutely correct. 1090 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,760 Speaker 1: This is virtue signaling in the realm of corporate America. 1091 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,880 Speaker 1: That's that's what it really boils down to. Uh, and 1092 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,480 Speaker 1: that's what we see happening here. That's how you can 1093 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,080 Speaker 1: spend all this money with no real change. And by 1094 01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,120 Speaker 1: the way, they're comfortable without their being real change because 1095 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,560 Speaker 1: they don't really care. They just want people to think 1096 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 1: they care so much about diversity. I mentioned this piece, 1097 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,480 Speaker 1: and I think I'm gonna have to wait until tomorrow 1098 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,360 Speaker 1: to get into more details on it. But there's this 1099 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,160 Speaker 1: piece written Slate in reference to the whole Google memo situation. 1100 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Stop equating science with truth evolutionary psychology is just the 1101 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 1: most obvious example of sciences flaws. So they have a 1102 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:39,920 Speaker 1: female scientist writing here about how science is not an 1103 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 1: answer for everything, that science is wrong sometimes, that science 1104 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,520 Speaker 1: cannot be looked at as the the argument end or 1105 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:48,920 Speaker 1: that some people wanted to be. And I just want 1106 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,360 Speaker 1: to go, Wow, can they have this woman who's writing 1107 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,880 Speaker 1: for slaters of scientists send a memo to all the 1108 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,600 Speaker 1: climate change people who act like the science, who say 1109 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: the science is settled and it's definitive and there's no 1110 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,840 Speaker 1: debate or discussion and it is the answer as if 1111 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,520 Speaker 1: it comes from the almighty. I mean, that's that's the 1112 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:10,560 Speaker 1: way they treat it. So I need so that is, 1113 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,600 Speaker 1: in fact, um a story that I'll get into a 1114 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,360 Speaker 1: little That's a story that I'll get into a little 1115 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,600 Speaker 1: bit more tomorrow with you. I just think it's fascinating 1116 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,480 Speaker 1: here we are this. They got a scientist writing about 1117 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,840 Speaker 1: the differences between men and women and how it affects 1118 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,680 Speaker 1: employment in one sector and looking at the science, looking 1119 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,520 Speaker 1: at the pure viewed literature, and what are they telling 1120 01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,360 Speaker 1: us now, Well, you know, science isn't always like the answer, man. 1121 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,240 Speaker 1: I guess not, I guess it isn't always the answer. 1122 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,280 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna hit a break here. We're back 1123 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:46,160 Speaker 1: with a discussion about affirmative action from somebody who intentionally 1124 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 1: gamed this system. How did he do it? Well, stay 1125 01:02:49,360 --> 01:03:05,160 Speaker 1: and you'll find out. Welcome back, team. I've been talking 1126 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,280 Speaker 1: to a lot about affirmative action and the administration's plans 1127 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 1: to look into whether there is discrimination in admissions for 1128 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,480 Speaker 1: colleges universities, and from there, of course, it could expand 1129 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,160 Speaker 1: into hiring practices as well. We're joined by somebody who 1130 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 1: made some waves on this issue and decided to put 1131 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,240 Speaker 1: the diversity and multicultural UH cult to the test here 1132 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,440 Speaker 1: and see what would happen if he tried to game 1133 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,320 Speaker 1: the system openly. So we're joined by VJ chokoll in Goom. 1134 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,919 Speaker 1: He's an affirmative action activists who got into St. Louis 1135 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 1: University Medical School by posing as a black man. VJ 1136 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,680 Speaker 1: detailed his misadventures UH as a masquerading as a an 1137 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,720 Speaker 1: African American in his book Almost Black. VJ is the 1138 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,360 Speaker 1: brother of actress Mindy Kaling from the office Little fund 1139 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,440 Speaker 1: Side Fact there. V agreed to have you on. It's 1140 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,560 Speaker 1: great to be on, you know, um, I wanted to 1141 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,640 Speaker 1: say that you said whether or not the universities discriminate 1142 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,800 Speaker 1: on the basis of race, And I almost laughed when 1143 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,160 Speaker 1: he said that when it comes to the issues of race, 1144 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:18,160 Speaker 1: the universities have pleaded guilty as charged. They famously endorsed 1145 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,560 Speaker 1: racial discrimination in the form of affirmative action, uh, the 1146 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,200 Speaker 1: entire Ivy League and more than a hundred universities in 1147 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,880 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court's Fisher case. So there's no question whether 1148 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,800 Speaker 1: they discriminate on the basis of race. The question is 1149 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,919 Speaker 1: to what extent and is it justified? And also which 1150 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,960 Speaker 1: which races right or which side gets the benefit in 1151 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,760 Speaker 1: which side gets the doubt? Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know, uh, 1152 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,720 Speaker 1: thank you very much for your introduction about my book 1153 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,920 Speaker 1: Almost Black, But you know, one of in this in 1154 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,240 Speaker 1: this particular context. The reason why it's come up lately 1155 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 1: is I actually work as an independent admissions consultant for 1156 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,600 Speaker 1: interview s OS dot com in Los Angeles and the 1157 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,560 Speaker 1: s OS Admissions in Los Angeles New Company, and so 1158 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm well aware of the admissions data. And can you 1159 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,760 Speaker 1: can you tell people listening VJ who might not know 1160 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 1: the background to this story, what did you do how 1161 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,000 Speaker 1: did you become this affirmative action activists tell us through 1162 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,760 Speaker 1: to walk us through the story. Oh sure sure. Back 1163 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 1: in back in I was a hard parting Indian frat boy. 1164 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,320 Speaker 1: I realized I wasn't going to get in med school 1165 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,320 Speaker 1: when all of my friends got rejected. So I came 1166 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,040 Speaker 1: up with the scam of shaving my head and trimming 1167 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,280 Speaker 1: my lasters and joining the organization of Black Students UH 1168 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,840 Speaker 1: to get into medical school. And the reason I did 1169 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 1: that was because I read statistical data from the American 1170 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 1: Association of Medical Colleges which showed that an Asian American 1171 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,840 Speaker 1: applicant with my grades and test scores had a very 1172 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 1: low chance of admission if I did the same thing 1173 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 1: in a kid with my grades and test scores, as 1174 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,040 Speaker 1: an eighteen percent chances admission compared to an African American 1175 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,800 Speaker 1: student with the same grades and test scores, who probably 1176 01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,360 Speaker 1: had closer to a seventy six percent chance of admission. 1177 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,880 Speaker 1: So I realized that by posing as a black man, 1178 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,880 Speaker 1: I could improve my answer of getting into med school. Uh. 1179 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,720 Speaker 1: Then you went by you went by a nickname on 1180 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,240 Speaker 1: your application, right, or you change the name on your application, 1181 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,120 Speaker 1: You change your appearance and you change your name even Yeah, 1182 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,240 Speaker 1: it happened to be my middle name is JoJo's. Instead 1183 01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,400 Speaker 1: of calling me myself my first name, which is DJ, 1184 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,120 Speaker 1: I went by my last name Jojo uh the other 1185 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,520 Speaker 1: you know. The The funny thing was, I managed to 1186 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,000 Speaker 1: get wait listed at the second and third best medical 1187 01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,120 Speaker 1: school in America Washington University, I'm sorry, the third and 1188 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: fourth best at the time, Washington University and University of 1189 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,920 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania School of Medicine, and got into St. Louis University 1190 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,120 Speaker 1: School of Medicine despite the fact that my pretty pitiful 1191 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,720 Speaker 1: three point one g p A was dramatically lower than 1192 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,080 Speaker 1: their average of three point seven. So that's kind of 1193 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,600 Speaker 1: the crazy story of how I how I got into 1194 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,720 Speaker 1: the medical school. The reason I keep bringing it up 1195 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 1: is because you know, as you as you were talking 1196 01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,640 Speaker 1: about in your intro, it's really relevant what's going on 1197 01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,520 Speaker 1: in in the government right now, and there's a lot 1198 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,120 Speaker 1: of misinformation about there about what affirmative action is and 1199 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,080 Speaker 1: how it works, and I'm trying to clear that opposite. Paul, 1200 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I want to get into some of those details. And 1201 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,840 Speaker 1: you said that you're working with people now in the 1202 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 1: admissions processes as as part as part of what you do. 1203 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,160 Speaker 1: And so I want to hear about what that what 1204 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,000 Speaker 1: it really is like in the trenches, so to speak 1205 01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,880 Speaker 1: of trying to get into schools for different people. But 1206 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,000 Speaker 1: before we get there, I just think it's worth noting 1207 01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,360 Speaker 1: that one of the reasons your story other than it 1208 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: was such a clear Uh you know, there's so many 1209 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,440 Speaker 1: clear indicators that you saw what the game was in 1210 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,480 Speaker 1: the system and you gained the system, and you did 1211 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,440 Speaker 1: this openly, and now you've talked about it. Uh, you 1212 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,320 Speaker 1: do not have white privilege vj Uh you know, your 1213 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,560 Speaker 1: your your family. I'm assuming you know was was not 1214 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,480 Speaker 1: not not a part of the legacy of slavery in 1215 01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,560 Speaker 1: this country. Uh. And yeah, But to talk about it 1216 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,200 Speaker 1: from that perspective, because as somebody who is non white 1217 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,240 Speaker 1: in this country but does not benefit in fact gets 1218 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 1: the negative end of affirmative action, I want to hear 1219 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,400 Speaker 1: what you think. So it's it's so funny, you know, 1220 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,280 Speaker 1: the ner New Times ran an article saying how white 1221 01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,840 Speaker 1: people benefit from reaction. It couldn't be, you know, white 1222 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,200 Speaker 1: were hurt by afirmative action. It couldn't be through the 1223 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,680 Speaker 1: real people who are hurt by affirmative action is Asian Americans. Um, 1224 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, there's hardest to get into college and grad 1225 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,320 Speaker 1: school as an Asian American. Uh, you know the I 1226 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,040 Speaker 1: see that in my clients every single day. You know, Uh, 1227 01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,000 Speaker 1: it's easy. And the way it works is that it's 1228 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,840 Speaker 1: easiest to it's hardest to get in Rather as an 1229 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Asian American, its second hardest to get in as a 1230 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,759 Speaker 1: white person, it's third hardest to get in as Hispanic, 1231 01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,280 Speaker 1: and it's most easy to get in as an as 1232 01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,840 Speaker 1: a African American, according to published data from the American 1233 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,640 Speaker 1: Associate Medical College. I mentioned this earlier. Uh, there's an 1234 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,519 Speaker 1: eighteen percent chance of a mission if you're UH to 1235 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,120 Speaker 1: med school with the three point one GV and thirty 1236 01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,920 Speaker 1: one MCATs for your Asian. There's a thirty six percent 1237 01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,080 Speaker 1: chance if you're white, there's a fifty six percent chance 1238 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,679 Speaker 1: if you're Hispanic, and there's a seventy six percent chance 1239 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,680 Speaker 1: with the same person test scores as black. Can I 1240 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,800 Speaker 1: just also say that everybody listening because if they haven't 1241 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,920 Speaker 1: applied to if haven't taken the MCT, haven't applied to 1242 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,479 Speaker 1: med schools, don't have family who have done those things. 1243 01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,759 Speaker 1: One of the reasons why this is such an interesting 1244 01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 1: way to look at the issue of affirmative action is 1245 01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,600 Speaker 1: that the m CAT for med school, which is a 1246 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,439 Speaker 1: standardized test, it's like the S A T S for 1247 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,800 Speaker 1: medical school everyone. That's a huge component of admissions. And 1248 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,680 Speaker 1: so you can look and see really how much of 1249 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,960 Speaker 1: an advantage it is for different racial groups because the 1250 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,639 Speaker 1: undergraduate oh it's just a holistic approach, is much less 1251 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,439 Speaker 1: applicable in medical school. I can also say it's much 1252 01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,840 Speaker 1: less applicable in law school as well, where the L 1253 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,679 Speaker 1: S A T is a huge component at the elite 1254 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,720 Speaker 1: schools at least of admission. Yeah, I mean, you know, 1255 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,920 Speaker 1: I use that example, but it's true everywhere. I just 1256 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,959 Speaker 1: used the data because of where the data is available. 1257 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,920 Speaker 1: In every kind of college and graduate school, it's most 1258 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,360 Speaker 1: difficult to get in as an Asian American, and in fact, 1259 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,920 Speaker 1: it's almost like twice as hard to get in as 1260 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,960 Speaker 1: a as a white person. Now, well, what do people 1261 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,360 Speaker 1: say to you? And by the way, speaking of VJ. 1262 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,519 Speaker 1: Chokoll in Goom, he's an affirmative action activist and he's 1263 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,840 Speaker 1: also uh the author of a book Almost Black. VJ. 1264 01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,200 Speaker 1: What do people say to you? What a aggressives and leftists, 1265 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,000 Speaker 1: and because I'm sure there's been a lot of a 1266 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,200 Speaker 1: lot of fury directed at you, uh from the progressive 1267 01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,840 Speaker 1: left as a result of this. They don't like when 1268 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,160 Speaker 1: people learn the truth about their social engineering programs. Uh. 1269 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,040 Speaker 1: But what what do they say to you and what 1270 01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,680 Speaker 1: do you say back when when they tell you what 1271 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,360 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to just as a as a South 1272 01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,560 Speaker 1: Asian American, right, I mean, you're from South Asian or 1273 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,320 Speaker 1: you know your parents are from South Asia? Are you 1274 01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 1: just supposed to be sacrificed on the altar of diversity 1275 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,160 Speaker 1: and political correctness because you don't have the things that 1276 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,760 Speaker 1: usually the progressive left uses to justify these policies, white privilege, 1277 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,439 Speaker 1: being benefiting from you know, a society that was built 1278 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,400 Speaker 1: because of slavery and on all those that doesn't apply 1279 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,519 Speaker 1: to you. So what do they say to you about 1280 01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,559 Speaker 1: why you're supposed to get treated unfairly? Which is what's 1281 01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,960 Speaker 1: going on? You were being treated unfairly in the emissions process. Yeah, 1282 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,080 Speaker 1: it's most difficult for Asian Americans. But the truth is 1283 01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of misinformation out there, you know that. 1284 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,280 Speaker 1: I think it's almost a crime that they public so 1285 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,160 Speaker 1: many articles in the last week about affirmative action, and 1286 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,719 Speaker 1: they never they always forget to mention that it hurts 1287 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,360 Speaker 1: Asian people more than anyone else. Uh, and that's just 1288 01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,280 Speaker 1: what the data shows. Uh, you know the Asian American 1289 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,839 Speaker 1: every day I have. But but what are your Democrat 1290 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,479 Speaker 1: friends say to you when you when you say, look, 1291 01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,280 Speaker 1: it actually hurts Asian Americans? Do they say? Well, you know, 1292 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,479 Speaker 1: to make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs. 1293 01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, what's the what's the justification? Because 1294 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,320 Speaker 1: because usually it's white privileged white privilege, right, that's why 1295 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 1: a firm of action is okay because it disadvantages whites 1296 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,519 Speaker 1: who usually have a privilege, which I disagree with. But nonetheless, 1297 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 1: but you're not white, So why are you supposed to suffer? 1298 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,720 Speaker 1: What do they tell you? Is what I'm asking you, VJ. 1299 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,120 Speaker 1: What is their argument to you? They don't believe it 1300 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: because they don't see the data like I do. So 1301 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,519 Speaker 1: they just they just deny that this is what happens. 1302 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,120 Speaker 1: We we have done, as you know, the conservative movement 1303 01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,559 Speaker 1: in the United States has done a very poor job 1304 01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,439 Speaker 1: of informing the general public that the people who are 1305 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,879 Speaker 1: hurt the worst by a firm of action is Asian 1306 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,880 Speaker 1: Americans who've done an awful job of telling that it's 1307 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,560 Speaker 1: always a black versus white issue. They never mentioned that 1308 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,880 Speaker 1: Asian Americans are the ones who are hurt the word, right, 1309 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,760 Speaker 1: but they see how it undermines the narrative. All right, 1310 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,479 Speaker 1: j Let's move on to what's going on here with 1311 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,840 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. Right now, they're looking at this issue. 1312 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 1: You work in college admissions consulting. Right now, what do 1313 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,200 Speaker 1: you think the administration? Well, what do you think they 1314 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,880 Speaker 1: should do? What should be the policy? Well, as I've 1315 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,519 Speaker 1: said many times, as I said on your program last time, 1316 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is going to end affirmative action like Lincoln 1317 01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,960 Speaker 1: end its slavery. Uh. He will point code of anti 1318 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,320 Speaker 1: affirmative action judges, and he will use the Department of 1319 01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:44,639 Speaker 1: Justice to go after the colleges and universities. Uh. You know, because, 1320 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: as I said, they publicly endorsed affirmative action in the 1321 01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,680 Speaker 1: Supreme Courts Fisher case. So he could effectively force them 1322 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,320 Speaker 1: to either lose their federal funding or give up their 1323 01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,880 Speaker 1: racist affirmative action policies, which you know is well within 1324 01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,320 Speaker 1: his power to do. Many ago, Bob Jones University lost 1325 01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:04,720 Speaker 1: its federal funding because it had some racially discriminatory policy. Similarly, 1326 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,920 Speaker 1: the Trump Justice Department could do that, and I think 1327 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,360 Speaker 1: it's a very noble you know, it's rare that we have. 1328 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,839 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes people's what what people perceive as someone's 1329 01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,479 Speaker 1: greatest weakness is actually their greatest strength. President Trump is 1330 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,840 Speaker 1: not beholden to the establishment. He's not beholden to the 1331 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,639 Speaker 1: Ivy League universities. So he's the only one who has 1332 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,200 Speaker 1: the courage to stand up and force them to end 1333 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,880 Speaker 1: their racist policies. And I admire his courage for doing that. Um. 1334 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:35,840 Speaker 1: You know, another thing I kind of want to point 1335 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,400 Speaker 1: out about it is, um, you know, Harvard is is 1336 01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're having parades at Harvard right now 1337 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,000 Speaker 1: because they say that suddenly the school has become quote 1338 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,840 Speaker 1: unquote majority minority, because fifty one per cent are now 1339 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,599 Speaker 1: of Harvard or quote unquote minorities. And of course they're 1340 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,080 Speaker 1: ignoring the whole Pocahontas phenomenon um as any as all 1341 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,840 Speaker 1: of you know. Uh. Senator Elizabeth Warren famously pretended to 1342 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,559 Speaker 1: be a Native American to get a faculty improve her 1343 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,080 Speaker 1: chances of getting a pulty position at Harvard, and the 1344 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:08,760 Speaker 1: University of Pennsylvania, and President Trump called her Pocahontas for 1345 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,719 Speaker 1: doing that. Um, there are a lot of people gaming 1346 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,920 Speaker 1: the system in that way because I know people. I 1347 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,000 Speaker 1: knew a girl with blonde hair and blue eyes who 1348 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,679 Speaker 1: got under Stanford because she said she was a Pacific 1349 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,639 Speaker 1: islander because she had like a great great grandmother somewhere 1350 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,560 Speaker 1: who lived in Hawaii for a year or something. Well no, no, no, 1351 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,160 Speaker 1: but let me tell you, it's harder to get into 1352 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,479 Speaker 1: a white person. So she may have been counterroductive in 1353 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,800 Speaker 1: that way. Um. But uh, you know, the people don't 1354 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,479 Speaker 1: really understand the system, so they think that being an 1355 01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,640 Speaker 1: Asian American helps. It doesn't. Um, but you know so, 1356 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,599 Speaker 1: But in general, the Pocahontas phenomenon is when people who 1357 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,720 Speaker 1: are white that went to in Alaska pretend to be 1358 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,519 Speaker 1: minorities in order to take advantage of affirmative action and 1359 01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,000 Speaker 1: use examples. You know, someone has a Hispanic great great grandma, 1360 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,600 Speaker 1: there's some rumor that there was a Native American in 1361 01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,719 Speaker 1: their family five years ago, so they say, like Elizabeth Warren, 1362 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,679 Speaker 1: so they where does Native American all in your scale? 1363 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,360 Speaker 1: You said it's hardest for Asians then white? Then Latino, 1364 01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,240 Speaker 1: then Black, we're Native Americans on that scale. Well, the 1365 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,479 Speaker 1: truth is is, you know, I'm basing my decision on data. 1366 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,680 Speaker 1: There are just not enough Native Americans out there for 1367 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,680 Speaker 1: me to get good data. My best guess, and this 1368 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,360 Speaker 1: is just a guess, is it's about as hard as 1369 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,760 Speaker 1: an African American. But the data is so limited. There 1370 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,280 Speaker 1: so a few actual Native Americans. Yeah, in the data 1371 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,040 Speaker 1: that sense. I mean, sadly they most of you know, 1372 01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:28,880 Speaker 1: they're just a lot. VJ. We'll have to have you 1373 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,080 Speaker 1: back when we see what President Trump J actually do 1374 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,360 Speaker 1: about this. Is you people can check out the book 1375 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,800 Speaker 1: Almost Black. You can also go to almost dot com 1376 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,720 Speaker 1: and anything else. VJ. You want to um, you know, uh, 1377 01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, last year, the Ivy League colleges or than 1378 01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,919 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand rejection letters. And I think the clients 1379 01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 1: got those letters. I want them to think that it's 1380 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,360 Speaker 1: because they're not good enough with them to realize that, 1381 01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,799 Speaker 1: you know, race may a factor that's not powerful political 1382 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,720 Speaker 1: message because under a thousand daggers in the heart of 1383 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,040 Speaker 1: a production and its supporters. All right, we'll do a 1384 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,640 Speaker 1: job of leveraging, you know, frankly on popularity of the 1385 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:09,559 Speaker 1: universities to progress. President Trump also, I guess it's worth 1386 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,920 Speaker 1: mentioning you know, I am an admissions consultant for s 1387 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,400 Speaker 1: OS emissions. In your views OS, I do help people 1388 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,720 Speaker 1: in more situations, and I know my stuff. I'm good 1389 01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,240 Speaker 1: at my job. Fantastic v J chuckle ingom, everybody, thank 1390 01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:33,599 Speaker 1: you sir for joining team. We're gonna come back. He's 1391 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,960 Speaker 1: back with you now, because when it comes to the 1392 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:41,200 Speaker 1: fight for truth, the fuck never stops. You are now 1393 01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:46,160 Speaker 1: entering the Freedom Hot Capital Operation Center. All sensitive programs 1394 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:50,360 Speaker 1: must decaps strictly need to know Team Buck is cleared 1395 01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,920 Speaker 1: and ready for the Buck Brief. The war in Afghanistan 1396 01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,920 Speaker 1: grinds on now and it's sixteenth year and President Trump 1397 01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,080 Speaker 1: has said that he views the US position as one 1398 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,920 Speaker 1: that is currently not winning. And in a campaign like 1399 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,840 Speaker 1: the one we're currently engaged in Afghanistan, if you are 1400 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:14,280 Speaker 1: not winning, you are losing. You're just losing slowly. But 1401 01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to take a step back for a moment 1402 01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,719 Speaker 1: and talk to you about what's really happening in Afghanistan. Remember, 1403 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,000 Speaker 1: this is a place where the United States still has 1404 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,600 Speaker 1: thousands of troops, may commit thousands more troops. We are 1405 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,960 Speaker 1: still taking losses. We are losing American lives fighting for 1406 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,720 Speaker 1: this country, and we may be losing a whole lot 1407 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,200 Speaker 1: more if we decide under the Trump administration to send 1408 01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,680 Speaker 1: in additional troops. There is no change in strategy to 1409 01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,080 Speaker 1: speak of, yet there is no reason to believe things 1410 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,439 Speaker 1: will get better anytime soon. In fact, the trajectory of 1411 01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:53,919 Speaker 1: the conflict is getting substantially worse UH in the Taliban 1412 01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,080 Speaker 1: is taking more and more territory under its control in 1413 01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,800 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. UH. But I think that it's important to 1414 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:07,040 Speaker 1: really understand what's happening there beyond the very simplistic UH 1415 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:12,479 Speaker 1: Taliban versus the West and the Afghan government narrative, because, 1416 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,479 Speaker 1: as is the case with so many different foreign policy 1417 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,840 Speaker 1: problems around the world, we aren't the only external power 1418 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:24,320 Speaker 1: with a deep interest and a lot of ties to Afghanistan. 1419 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,479 Speaker 1: In fact, the regional players and some players far beyond 1420 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:33,280 Speaker 1: the region have much deeper interests, longer standing interests in 1421 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 1: Afghanistan than we do. And as the possibility of a 1422 01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:43,479 Speaker 1: US withdrawal becomes more and more serious and likely, these 1423 01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,200 Speaker 1: countries are upping the anti because there will be a 1424 01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:52,719 Speaker 1: jockeying for power in Afghanistan if the US NATO mission 1425 01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:58,479 Speaker 1: winds down. Now, the countries involved here are largely the 1426 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,559 Speaker 1: ones you would expect based on geography. But the big 1427 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,320 Speaker 1: players in Afghanistan other than US and all of our 1428 01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,160 Speaker 1: NATO allies and of course the Afghan government put them aside, 1429 01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,200 Speaker 1: right because the simplistic narrative, the one you always hear 1430 01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,639 Speaker 1: is it's it's us versus them. It's the US, it's 1431 01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,320 Speaker 1: the Afghan government, and it's all of our European and 1432 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,160 Speaker 1: NATO allies or Turkey has been helping us in Afghanistan 1433 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,200 Speaker 1: to any NATO country that can or has been willing 1434 01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,960 Speaker 1: to send troops in the past. Uh, that's a part 1435 01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,960 Speaker 1: of this. But there are all these other external players that, 1436 01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:36,040 Speaker 1: by the way, have been playing a very important role 1437 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:41,800 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan for the entirety of our time in that conflict. UH. 1438 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,040 Speaker 1: The biggest one, of course, is Pakistan, and Pakistan and 1439 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:50,000 Speaker 1: Afghanistan are really contiguous countries when you look at the ethnicity, 1440 01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,120 Speaker 1: now this is essential. The Pashtuns are an ethnic group 1441 01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:58,120 Speaker 1: a tribe within Afghanistan that are about fifty percent of 1442 01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:02,520 Speaker 1: afghan of Afghanistan's third d million people. But the primary 1443 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,920 Speaker 1: homeland of the Pashtun in Afghanistan is the southern and 1444 01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:11,240 Speaker 1: eastern quadrants of Afghanistan right across the border into Pakistan. 1445 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,320 Speaker 1: So you have linguistic ethnic and kinship ties that the 1446 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,080 Speaker 1: Durand line, the border that the British came up with 1447 01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:23,680 Speaker 1: a long time ago between the Afghans and the Pakistani's 1448 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,800 Speaker 1: UH that line and by it was in Pakistan at 1449 01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:33,680 Speaker 1: the time. UH Pakistan came about after Indian partition nineteen. 1450 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:41,360 Speaker 1: So anyway, the ethnicities at play here are very important 1451 01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,240 Speaker 1: to keep in mind. The main ones, the main ones 1452 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:48,040 Speaker 1: you hear about Pashtuns are about and Pashtuns and Pakistan 1453 01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,840 Speaker 1: are that that's the main connection. There's also Baloch which 1454 01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:56,920 Speaker 1: is an ethnic group in Afghanistan that has well a 1455 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,760 Speaker 1: kinship ties to a part of Pakistan that is a 1456 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,160 Speaker 1: probinsch Stan. So you have the Bloch people, but there 1457 01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:07,200 Speaker 1: are pretty small percentage overall, less than ten percent of Afghanistan. 1458 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,360 Speaker 1: But again there's that connection into Pakistan, and there's been 1459 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,720 Speaker 1: extremist ties and concerns about what's going on uh And 1460 01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,360 Speaker 1: in that part of Pakistan visa the Afghanistan. And we're 1461 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,280 Speaker 1: covering a lot of different pieces here. But you know, 1462 01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,200 Speaker 1: I really want you to want you to have a 1463 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,640 Speaker 1: a deep understanding of the different players, because then you'll 1464 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,840 Speaker 1: see what a mess this is. And when I tell 1465 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,439 Speaker 1: you that we need a new strategy, we really need 1466 01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,479 Speaker 1: a new strategy. If that strategy means that we're just 1467 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,080 Speaker 1: drawing down and we're leaving, we should understand that as 1468 01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,479 Speaker 1: a country, and we should know what we are deciding. 1469 01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:44,479 Speaker 1: We should not just let either momentum or inertia dictate 1470 01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:49,000 Speaker 1: our policy in this country. So, okay, Pashtuns primarily in 1471 01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,600 Speaker 1: southern Pakista, southern Afghanistan and eastern Afghanistan along the af 1472 01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:57,160 Speaker 1: Pac border, and the Taliban are the ethnicity, are the 1473 01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:03,439 Speaker 1: group of the Pashtun. So the Pashtun ethnic group is, 1474 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,640 Speaker 1: that's what the Taliban is is almost entirely composed of 1475 01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,840 Speaker 1: predominantly composed of the other main group, and it's about 1476 01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,120 Speaker 1: a third of the country. Are Tajiks. Now Tajiks, of 1477 01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,640 Speaker 1: course you can think about Tajikistan which borders Afghanistan. Uh 1478 01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,160 Speaker 1: and so we we know that there's this other ethnic 1479 01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:24,160 Speaker 1: group there. But keep in mind that they speak uh Dhari, 1480 01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:28,600 Speaker 1: which is really just a variation of Farsi, which is 1481 01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,640 Speaker 1: also called in this country, we call it Persian, but 1482 01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,280 Speaker 1: it's Farsi. It's the language, it's language predominant language spoken 1483 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,759 Speaker 1: in Iran. So the Tajiks have a connection, a linguistic 1484 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:45,320 Speaker 1: and cultural connection to Iran. And Iran is a big 1485 01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,240 Speaker 1: player in what's going on in Afghanistan. And now what 1486 01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:55,080 Speaker 1: we see in recent reporting is that the Iranians are 1487 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:59,760 Speaker 1: in fact UH backing the Taliban. So as the u 1488 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:04,040 Speaker 1: US is drawing down or preparing for a complete withdrawal 1489 01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:08,800 Speaker 1: from Afghanistan, you have the Iranians becoming increasingly UH and 1490 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:13,040 Speaker 1: more brazenly involved with the Taliban. Now there's an interesting 1491 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:18,200 Speaker 1: UH an interesting separation there because Iran is a Shia 1492 01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:23,160 Speaker 1: Muslim country and the Taliban are a Pashtun group, so 1493 01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,280 Speaker 1: there is that different but they're willing to use each 1494 01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,640 Speaker 1: other in the term for strategic gains. So you have 1495 01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,439 Speaker 1: Iran very involved, in fact, just to go officering the 1496 01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:37,080 Speaker 1: outskirts of the call from Himander warning that hundreds of 1497 01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:40,439 Speaker 1: Talentan fighters were headed his way. It was the start 1498 01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,799 Speaker 1: three week siege in October and only after American Airport 1499 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,960 Speaker 1: was called in to end in a smoke cleared, did 1500 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,120 Speaker 1: Afghan security officials risk who was behind the lightning strike Iran? 1501 01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,040 Speaker 1: Four senior Iranian commandos were among this just of dead, 1502 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:59,439 Speaker 1: Afghan intelligence officials said, knowing their funerals in Iran. Many 1503 01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,400 Speaker 1: of the talent dead and wounded were also taken back 1504 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,559 Speaker 1: across the nearby or with Iran, where the insurgents had 1505 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:10,880 Speaker 1: been contrained. Village elders told Afghan provincial officials. So Iran 1506 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,519 Speaker 1: is now sending, according to this New York Times piece, 1507 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 1: people to fight in Afghanistan, sending arms and training and 1508 01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:23,479 Speaker 1: assistance to the Taliban and making this a more difficult 1509 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,000 Speaker 1: and miserable situation of course for US and for the 1510 01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:31,439 Speaker 1: coalition in Afghanistan. So, uh, you've got the Iranians involved. 1511 01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:35,000 Speaker 1: You have reports about Russian made weapons in the hands. 1512 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,920 Speaker 1: I talked to you about this earlier on the show 1513 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,800 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, Russian made weapons in the hands 1514 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,120 Speaker 1: of Taliban. And they're even reports that the Russians are 1515 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:47,080 Speaker 1: providing more direct assistance. So you've got Pakistan involved directly 1516 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,080 Speaker 1: with the Taliban. And because of the ethnic and linguistic 1517 01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,760 Speaker 1: ties of the passions, and by the way, that's why 1518 01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,840 Speaker 1: we've never been able to end this conflict, because Pakistan 1519 01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,479 Speaker 1: is really just a rearguard area of Pakistan is a 1520 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:04,439 Speaker 1: safe even a sanctuary for the Taliban, and that that's 1521 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,120 Speaker 1: never going to change. And as long as you have 1522 01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,720 Speaker 1: passion one on both sides of the border who are 1523 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,959 Speaker 1: link to work with and provide recruits for the Taliban, 1524 01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,639 Speaker 1: you're never going to completely eliminate that problem. So you've 1525 01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:21,200 Speaker 1: got Pakistan involved in Afghanistan, You've got Iran involved directly 1526 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,800 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. Reports of Russian involvement, and of course, if 1527 01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,479 Speaker 1: we go back in time to the origins of the 1528 01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,960 Speaker 1: Mujahadeen in Afghanistan and the Soviet Afghan War, we understand 1529 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:37,519 Speaker 1: that Russian ties into Afghanistan stretched back for decades and 1530 01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,719 Speaker 1: Russia under the when it was the Soviet Union, tried 1531 01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:45,160 Speaker 1: to colonize Afghanistan, and that was just back in the eighties, 1532 01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,920 Speaker 1: so we're not talking about that long ago. So Russia 1533 01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,280 Speaker 1: has connections, deep connections. And keep in mind also the 1534 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:59,920 Speaker 1: various stands uh Tajikistan, uh Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan. These are 1535 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,519 Speaker 1: places where they are deep ties to the Russians and 1536 01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:06,000 Speaker 1: from its former Soviet era as well. So the Russians 1537 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,200 Speaker 1: are able to operate in these areas very effectively and 1538 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,160 Speaker 1: work through third parties proxies in these countries if they 1539 01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,240 Speaker 1: so choose to get weapons in cash and whoever, who 1540 01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:20,280 Speaker 1: knows what else to the Taliban, because right now there's 1541 01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:25,560 Speaker 1: a sense that additional pressure to the additional pressure on 1542 01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:30,639 Speaker 1: our forces and greater and accelerating destabilization may just get 1543 01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,880 Speaker 1: us to leave. So this is why there's notion that 1544 01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,880 Speaker 1: we're going to negotiate with the Taliban, by the way, 1545 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,360 Speaker 1: for some kind of a political settlement. And this is 1546 01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,479 Speaker 1: this is fantasyland stuff. Even if we got the settlement, 1547 01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,320 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be worth the paper that it was written on. 1548 01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,680 Speaker 1: And then there's one more player that we should think 1549 01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:50,479 Speaker 1: of in the Afghan conflict, major player, and that's Saudi Arabia. Now, 1550 01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:57,080 Speaker 1: Saudi ties to uh Afghanistan also are very directly correlated 1551 01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,880 Speaker 1: to what happened with the Soviet Afghan War. We know 1552 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,680 Speaker 1: all about the Saudi money that went to the Mujahadeen, 1553 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,519 Speaker 1: and then of course the Saudi money that set up 1554 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:09,519 Speaker 1: the madrassas in Pakistan for the refugees of the Soviet 1555 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:14,000 Speaker 1: Afghan War that led to the Taliban So the Saudis 1556 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,479 Speaker 1: have played a very destructive role in everything going on 1557 01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,439 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan for a for a long time, and they 1558 01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,400 Speaker 1: still have continued interests there, and I think it's because 1559 01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:28,799 Speaker 1: they in their struggle with uh in Saudi Arabia's struggle 1560 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:33,240 Speaker 1: with Iran. Remember, Saudi Arabia is the primary Sunni Arab 1561 01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,160 Speaker 1: Muslim state now in the Middle East. It is the 1562 01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,360 Speaker 1: defender the unifier of the Sunni as a matter of 1563 01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,639 Speaker 1: policy and as a matter of idea of its identity. 1564 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,240 Speaker 1: The Iranians are the Shia defenders. And there are groups, 1565 01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,400 Speaker 1: by the way, in Iran. There is one group in 1566 01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:53,400 Speaker 1: particularly Hazara, who are a a Shia Muslim group ethnic 1567 01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:58,160 Speaker 1: group in uh in Afghanistan that the Iranians have been 1568 01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,200 Speaker 1: working with in the past because of their Shia to eyes. 1569 01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,200 Speaker 1: But the Iranians will also work with the Taliban even 1570 01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,840 Speaker 1: though they are Sunni. Right. I know we're jumping around here. 1571 01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,920 Speaker 1: It's like Game of Thrones Middia South Asia style, but 1572 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,760 Speaker 1: it's important. So Iran continues to have I'm sorry, Saudi 1573 01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,200 Speaker 1: Arabia as well, continues to have major interests in what's 1574 01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:19,080 Speaker 1: going on there because Afghanistan as a large, thirty million 1575 01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:24,840 Speaker 1: person Sunni Muslim, not era, but Muslim uh dominated state. 1576 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,519 Speaker 1: It looks at its relationship with Afghanistan as strategic depth. 1577 01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,200 Speaker 1: And it's on Iran's border. It has you know, Iran 1578 01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:35,960 Speaker 1: to the west or Iran to the east rather and 1579 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,840 Speaker 1: Afghanistan and the West. They meet, so it's a place 1580 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,400 Speaker 1: where they can apply additional pressure. So there's a feeding 1581 01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,000 Speaker 1: frenzy going on of all these other countries. It's important 1582 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,800 Speaker 1: to keep in mind, a feeding frenzy of all these 1583 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,320 Speaker 1: other countries trying to jockey for power, trying to push 1584 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,479 Speaker 1: and have more influence in Afghanistan. And they're going to 1585 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:57,360 Speaker 1: be picking proxies, they're going to be backing different factions. 1586 01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,000 Speaker 1: And do not think for one moment and that the 1587 01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:04,559 Speaker 1: US withdrawal will lead to peace and a laying down 1588 01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,559 Speaker 1: of arms. If we do withdraw I think we should 1589 01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,599 Speaker 1: be prepared for the very real possibility that the Taliban 1590 01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,080 Speaker 1: gets help from the outside to make more, even more 1591 01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,720 Speaker 1: aggressive moves against the central government and to eventually march 1592 01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:19,920 Speaker 1: on Cobble. I mean, this is what we're facing in Afghanistan. 1593 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:34,240 Speaker 1: We should be taking this very seriously, really interesting peace 1594 01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,400 Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal on the power of incumbency 1595 01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:42,320 Speaker 1: and being the established player in the market. You see, 1596 01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:47,360 Speaker 1: this is one of those counterintuitive realities in the online 1597 01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,599 Speaker 1: world that we're all increasingly forced to live in. I mean, 1598 01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:54,360 Speaker 1: I've I've bought. I must have had fifty packages all 1599 01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,320 Speaker 1: from Amazon delivered in the last week since I moved, 1600 01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,639 Speaker 1: and I'm shopping for my apartment. I mean, I need things, 1601 01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, so I can continue to cook. I'll tell 1602 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,719 Speaker 1: you about that later. Uh, I need things and instead 1603 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,160 Speaker 1: of going to a store, I just can do it 1604 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,320 Speaker 1: all on my phone. It's incredible. But while all this 1605 01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:13,200 Speaker 1: technology is happening and you have a sense that this 1606 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:18,400 Speaker 1: is the virtual marketplace, is the perfect Milton Friedman approved 1607 01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:23,519 Speaker 1: may the best business win, uh place, That's not really 1608 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,600 Speaker 1: necessarily the case at all. What you're seeing is the 1609 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:31,479 Speaker 1: dominance of Google, Facebook to some degree, Twitter but less so. 1610 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,960 Speaker 1: But Google and Facebook in particular, they're so dominant that 1611 01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,960 Speaker 1: they are able to now and they're actively doing it 1612 01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,160 Speaker 1: monitor any rivals for anything. I mean, this piece is 1613 01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:46,200 Speaker 1: called the New Copycats. How Facebook squashes competition from startups 1614 01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,280 Speaker 1: and so in this online startup world. Sure, you have 1615 01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:53,960 Speaker 1: a great idea, but you are going to be competing 1616 01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,960 Speaker 1: very quickly against companies that have, for all intents and purposes, 1617 01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,479 Speaker 1: unlimited resources. So if you come up with a new 1618 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:06,000 Speaker 1: chat app and it's getting some traction, Facebook sees you're 1619 01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,800 Speaker 1: getting traction. They have two options. They can offer you 1620 01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,479 Speaker 1: a bit of money, which, especially if you're an early 1621 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:15,400 Speaker 1: stage entrepreneurs, will sound really sexy and exciting. Uh. And 1622 01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,400 Speaker 1: and then you get bought uh And that can be great, 1623 01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,080 Speaker 1: but then they own you and then you're a part 1624 01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,800 Speaker 1: of Facebook or your part of Google. Or they can 1625 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,160 Speaker 1: do what they've been doing more and more of recently, 1626 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,360 Speaker 1: which is they just decide, oh, this is working pretty well, 1627 01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,960 Speaker 1: let's do our own version of this, and let's do 1628 01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,759 Speaker 1: it with the best engineering and tech talent in the world, 1629 01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,640 Speaker 1: and let's do it with unlimited resources. Who do you 1630 01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,800 Speaker 1: think ends up winning that battle? Most of the time, 1631 01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,360 Speaker 1: occasionally you'll have something like an Instagram that gets acquired 1632 01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,559 Speaker 1: for a billion dollars by Facebook. But then you'll also 1633 01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:52,240 Speaker 1: have and some of you're gonna be like the the 1634 01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,000 Speaker 1: mere cats of the world, and some of you are like, 1635 01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:58,120 Speaker 1: what's a mere cat? Well, technically, a mere cat is 1636 01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:04,840 Speaker 1: a small carnivorous mammal that is actually a member of 1637 01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,200 Speaker 1: the mongoose family, and I believe it is in fact 1638 01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,640 Speaker 1: Timone from Timone and Pumba from a lion king. I 1639 01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,960 Speaker 1: think Timone is a mere cat. So there you go, 1640 01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,080 Speaker 1: Hakuna Matata, remember all that. But mere Cat was also 1641 01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:22,120 Speaker 1: this video sharing app that was out there for a while, 1642 01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:23,400 Speaker 1: and I had people that were trying to get me 1643 01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,320 Speaker 1: to use it. I remember, and I were saying, no 1644 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,680 Speaker 1: one even knows what this mere Cat thing is. And 1645 01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,200 Speaker 1: sure enough, it looked like a great idea until Facebook decided, 1646 01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, we'll do live video chat and then bam, 1647 01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,479 Speaker 1: it's all over. And this is happening for any number 1648 01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,719 Speaker 1: of Amazon, Google and Facebook are really the big three, 1649 01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:42,479 Speaker 1: and this is what's happening now. They have so much 1650 01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:46,280 Speaker 1: cash and so much uh speed that they're able to 1651 01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,200 Speaker 1: just they used to be really acquiring more. Now they 1652 01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:52,960 Speaker 1: can just go out there and crush competition. We're getting 1653 01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,599 Speaker 1: to a place where we're gonna be having some very 1654 01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:01,760 Speaker 1: interesting conversations about the uh well, about anti trust law 1655 01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:06,360 Speaker 1: and about whether some of these internet companies are operating 1656 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:11,400 Speaker 1: as effectively operating as monopolies that are anti competitive and 1657 01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,320 Speaker 1: that have a mass so much wealth and so much 1658 01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,800 Speaker 1: power that it is impossible to compete with them in 1659 01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,360 Speaker 1: these areas. Now, I know people will say, oh no, 1660 01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,519 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time before the Internet works 1661 01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,560 Speaker 1: its magic and there'll be some other you know, you 1662 01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,120 Speaker 1: think back. I mean, yeah, Facebook is an incredible company. 1663 01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,200 Speaker 1: It's so valuable. People forget that before there was Facebook, 1664 01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,160 Speaker 1: there was Friendster, and before there was Friendster, around the 1665 01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,479 Speaker 1: same time there was my Space, and they were largely 1666 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,080 Speaker 1: the same thing, right, I mean, they were giving you 1667 01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:45,280 Speaker 1: an online presence, creating an online identity for you, and 1668 01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,080 Speaker 1: those didn't catch on. I mean, does anyone even have 1669 01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,000 Speaker 1: a MySpace profo? I don't even know if it still exists. 1670 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:52,360 Speaker 1: I could probably check, But this is what's happening now. 1671 01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:56,599 Speaker 1: The uh just like it's great that everybody can now 1672 01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:00,040 Speaker 1: write a blog and can has a Twitter account and 1673 01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,240 Speaker 1: can be their own little media outlet. Well that means 1674 01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,800 Speaker 1: that they're endless media outlets, which means it's very hard 1675 01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,720 Speaker 1: to to make a living in media unless you're at 1676 01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:12,160 Speaker 1: a big place that has established revenue and is going 1677 01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,080 Speaker 1: to be able to you know, pay people to pay 1678 01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:18,519 Speaker 1: their bills, right, so making things lowering barriers to entry 1679 01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,880 Speaker 1: for startup companies. Sounds great, and it is great in 1680 01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,880 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but keep in mind that because 1681 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,000 Speaker 1: they're so low, so many the barriers to entry are 1682 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,200 Speaker 1: so low. You have so many uh would bes in 1683 01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:35,120 Speaker 1: the space. And at the very top there are super giants. 1684 01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean, there aren't just companies that are doing well. 1685 01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,840 Speaker 1: There are companies that are the most valuable companies in 1686 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:42,320 Speaker 1: the world, and they have the ability now to monitor 1687 01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:46,200 Speaker 1: and to find a way to more or less copy 1688 01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,519 Speaker 1: the functionality, right, I mean, they can't copy the I 1689 01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,520 Speaker 1: P the intellectual property, but they can copy the functionality 1690 01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,720 Speaker 1: of any of these different startups, and they can do 1691 01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:59,080 Speaker 1: it so quickly and so rapidly that you end up wondering, well, 1692 01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,240 Speaker 1: how could anyone ever uh compete with these guys, and 1693 01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,960 Speaker 1: how could anyone ever come up with a new idea 1694 01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:08,760 Speaker 1: that may unseat these uh incumbents. And the answers we'll 1695 01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,519 Speaker 1: have to see. I don't know. I think the digital 1696 01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,360 Speaker 1: age is different in this way. You know, you can't 1697 01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,720 Speaker 1: have a company that's across the country that the big 1698 01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,840 Speaker 1: company has never heard of, that can operate with some 1699 01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,040 Speaker 1: degree of you know, some degree of secrecy, and once 1700 01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,679 Speaker 1: it's out there, on the internet. Once you're developing users, 1701 01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,240 Speaker 1: the big guys can see it, and they can copy you, 1702 01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:28,760 Speaker 1: and they can crush you. I just think it's fascinating 1703 01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,760 Speaker 1: to watch this play out, and it's also interesting this 1704 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,920 Speaker 1: happens in media too. Maybe it's a discussion for another day. 1705 01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,040 Speaker 1: UM I said, we're talking about opioids, and I want 1706 01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:39,040 Speaker 1: you more thoughts on that, and also I'll tell you 1707 01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:42,720 Speaker 1: about some adventures in the life of Buck. After that, 1708 01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:44,760 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you about what's going on with my 1709 01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,360 Speaker 1: latest cooking expeditions. That's how we'll close the show. But 1710 01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,200 Speaker 1: a serious topic of serious conversation. First, I gotta talk 1711 01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,559 Speaker 1: about opioid epidemic. We'll get there in just a few 1712 01:35:53,640 --> 01:36:08,280 Speaker 1: Stay with me. A lot of focus now in the 1713 01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,640 Speaker 1: media on the opioid epidemic. I spoke to you a 1714 01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,800 Speaker 1: little bit about it yesterday, and this is one that 1715 01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm putting a lot of thought into and trying to 1716 01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,360 Speaker 1: learn more about. UM. You know I I I am 1717 01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:25,680 Speaker 1: somebody who at a very young age, remember being exposed 1718 01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:30,840 Speaker 1: to people who were doing illegal drugs and seeing people 1719 01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,479 Speaker 1: engaged in in those behaviors. But because I wanted to 1720 01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,960 Speaker 1: go into the c I a Uh. And that was 1721 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,679 Speaker 1: early on in my college career that I made that decision. 1722 01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:43,080 Speaker 1: I decided that I was just not going to do 1723 01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:47,360 Speaker 1: anything any illegal drugs of any kind. And so I 1724 01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:51,280 Speaker 1: it's been a very very very long time, Uh, since 1725 01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:55,320 Speaker 1: I even took a puff of anything. Uh. So I'm 1726 01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,680 Speaker 1: somebody who has seen what it does to people. But 1727 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,800 Speaker 1: also I've been away from them. And I will say 1728 01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:04,280 Speaker 1: one of the nice um parts of being a government 1729 01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,840 Speaker 1: employee with a high level security clearances, you tend to 1730 01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,760 Speaker 1: be around a lot of other people who don't do 1731 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,680 Speaker 1: any drugs, whereas many of my friends. Because I grew 1732 01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,720 Speaker 1: up here in New York City. I don't know how 1733 01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:18,720 Speaker 1: many of you have seen the show Gossip Girl. Uh, 1734 01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,720 Speaker 1: that wasn't like my life. But there certainly was a 1735 01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:27,280 Speaker 1: fast set of young adults, people, you know, fifteen to twenty, 1736 01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,800 Speaker 1: i'd say, who were partying very hard, and I would 1737 01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,360 Speaker 1: come across them, and there was a lot of There 1738 01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:35,720 Speaker 1: was a lot of drug use among that crew. It's 1739 01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,720 Speaker 1: one of the reasons also why I think people who 1740 01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,439 Speaker 1: grew up with me, who didn't know me very well, 1741 01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,240 Speaker 1: we're surprised. What do you mean you went to the CIA? 1742 01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,160 Speaker 1: You know, don't they have a problem with people who 1743 01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,080 Speaker 1: do drugs? And I would say, well, yeah, but I 1744 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:51,760 Speaker 1: don't so and I haven't. Uh so that's that's why 1745 01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:53,280 Speaker 1: it was not a problem for you to go work 1746 01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,439 Speaker 1: for the CIA. But I've seen what it does to 1747 01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,160 Speaker 1: people's lives. I had friends, and I know for some 1748 01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,880 Speaker 1: of you listening, this is going to sound uh because 1749 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,160 Speaker 1: it is really bizarre. I mean it's it's really unusual. 1750 01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,040 Speaker 1: I knew people who were going to rehab for drug 1751 01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,960 Speaker 1: addiction when I was in high school, which is pretty young. 1752 01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:11,920 Speaker 1: I mean, if you do look at the studies on this, 1753 01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:13,960 Speaker 1: you'll see that that's that's out there, and there are 1754 01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,720 Speaker 1: people who do get involved, and I'm talking about for 1755 01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,280 Speaker 1: for hard drugs, not even prescription drugs at that young 1756 01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,080 Speaker 1: of an age um. And look, I I think that 1757 01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:27,200 Speaker 1: the biggest reasons for this. I'd like to say it's 1758 01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:29,080 Speaker 1: just my personality, but I just had parents who are 1759 01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,760 Speaker 1: who are on the ball and knew what they were doing. 1760 01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:34,759 Speaker 1: And I had an older brother who I could always 1761 01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:36,720 Speaker 1: talk about anything, who was a really good influence. And 1762 01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,000 Speaker 1: I had a little brother that I never wanted to 1763 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,880 Speaker 1: set a bad influence for. And so that that kept 1764 01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,280 Speaker 1: me from getting into trouble, whereas I had a lot 1765 01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,519 Speaker 1: of friends. In fact, I don't even know if I've 1766 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,639 Speaker 1: ever talked about this on the show, but I had 1767 01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:54,120 Speaker 1: two friends, both of whom were pretty close friends. One 1768 01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,479 Speaker 1: was actually I considered my closest friend for number of years, 1769 01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,360 Speaker 1: die of drug overdoses. Uh. The specifics of them were 1770 01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,880 Speaker 1: never really you know, when you some of you probably 1771 01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,400 Speaker 1: know exactly what I'm talking about when you are friends 1772 01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,080 Speaker 1: with someone or have a family member who passes away 1773 01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:13,240 Speaker 1: from drug overdose. What the drugs were, Was it an 1774 01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,479 Speaker 1: accidental overdose or was it something else? You don't get 1775 01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,640 Speaker 1: into that. You know, You're just you're just there to 1776 01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,800 Speaker 1: be supportive and and you you try not to pry 1777 01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,400 Speaker 1: or or make the wounds any deeper than they already are. 1778 01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:27,400 Speaker 1: But I had a couple of friends who both died 1779 01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:31,960 Speaker 1: from drug use. Uh. And that was pre opioid epidemic. 1780 01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,320 Speaker 1: Now I'm again, I'm at an age where I don't 1781 01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:40,000 Speaker 1: find myself in you know, a college fraternity party where 1782 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,759 Speaker 1: there's you know, two hundred people there or a hundred 1783 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,760 Speaker 1: and fifty people there, and I don't know them, and 1784 01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:46,840 Speaker 1: people just start doing things and you can just choose 1785 01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,400 Speaker 1: to leave. Now, I'm an adult, so I'm not around 1786 01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:51,720 Speaker 1: people that do anything like that. I never see it, 1787 01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,440 Speaker 1: and having in a long time, but I do understand 1788 01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:58,360 Speaker 1: of the the way that it can sneak up on 1789 01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,160 Speaker 1: people and become some thing that it ruins lives. It 1790 01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:04,400 Speaker 1: really does ruin lives, and I've seen that happen and ends, 1791 01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,559 Speaker 1: and it ends lives. With the opioid epidemic, we're seeing 1792 01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,519 Speaker 1: that in the in the tens of thousands, going to 1793 01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,240 Speaker 1: be around sixty thousand, I think when they calculate all 1794 01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:19,040 Speaker 1: the opioid deaths for which is staggering. So on on 1795 01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:22,360 Speaker 1: the opioid epidemic. I just was thinking about this more 1796 01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:26,240 Speaker 1: last night, and I feel like we are one of 1797 01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:30,200 Speaker 1: the one of the big determinants of happiness is expectations, 1798 01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,679 Speaker 1: and I get the sense that as a as a country, 1799 01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:39,360 Speaker 1: as a as a society, we are increasingly exposed to 1800 01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:43,280 Speaker 1: a false view of happiness. I mentioned this yesterday with 1801 01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, with social media and Facebook, and all you 1802 01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,960 Speaker 1: see is all your friends looking their best, everyone you know, 1803 01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:51,800 Speaker 1: in front of their new beautiful house or with their 1804 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,760 Speaker 1: new beautiful baby, or you know, in bathing suits and 1805 01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:56,960 Speaker 1: some exotic location, or it depends on what stage of 1806 01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:59,360 Speaker 1: life you're in, you know, or your your your buddy 1807 01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,000 Speaker 1: who's also retired or just bought that boat that you 1808 01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,120 Speaker 1: know he's always said he wanted to get. And we're 1809 01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:08,280 Speaker 1: always we're exposed to this false view of the happiness 1810 01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,160 Speaker 1: and success of others, which, on the one hand, I 1811 01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:15,920 Speaker 1: also think can be corrosive because it can create envy, 1812 01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,479 Speaker 1: and envy is very destructive. And it's one of the 1813 01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:21,439 Speaker 1: primary not to make this a political discussion, but it's 1814 01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:25,479 Speaker 1: it's really at the base of class warfare is envy. 1815 01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:27,880 Speaker 1: And I forget who it was. One of the political 1816 01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,840 Speaker 1: philosophers described I think it was a quaintas maybe I know, 1817 01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm just pulling a quaintness out of the air here. 1818 01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:37,360 Speaker 1: Uh described envy as sadness that others doing well, and 1819 01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,040 Speaker 1: and that's a very good way to think of it, 1820 01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,240 Speaker 1: because that's what it is. But we are in this 1821 01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,840 Speaker 1: society whereas I said, we're disconnected, and we see all 1822 01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:47,040 Speaker 1: these other people that are so successful, and they all 1823 01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,960 Speaker 1: seem like they're healthy, and everything seems so great, and 1824 01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:53,479 Speaker 1: so we want to escape and we want to numb 1825 01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:57,080 Speaker 1: the pain and expectations that are out of line with 1826 01:41:57,240 --> 01:42:02,599 Speaker 1: reality can create deep unhappiness. And I think that because 1827 01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:08,560 Speaker 1: our expectations are being affected by this uh edited, curated, 1828 01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:13,559 Speaker 1: pre selected digital world that we live in now, where 1829 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,160 Speaker 1: we were always hearing about. You know, perfect example this 1830 01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,320 Speaker 1: is with Silicon Valley. You know, I have all these 1831 01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:20,599 Speaker 1: friends at work in tech and you see, oh, Mark 1832 01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:23,560 Speaker 1: Zuckerberg and it's worth fifty billion dollars or whatever it 1833 01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:25,880 Speaker 1: is who who even knows, you know, or some other 1834 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,080 Speaker 1: kid who's twenty five just sold his internet company for 1835 01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:30,960 Speaker 1: twenty million bucks, never have to work again. For every 1836 01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:36,000 Speaker 1: story like that, there are thousands of people who emptied 1837 01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:39,360 Speaker 1: out their bank accounts, put their life savings into being 1838 01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:41,960 Speaker 1: the next Google or being the next Facebook or whatever 1839 01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,439 Speaker 1: it is, and they lost everything. And that doesn't mean 1840 01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,519 Speaker 1: that their lives are over. They just picked themselves up 1841 01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,920 Speaker 1: and start again. And in fact, some successful entrepreneurs have 1842 01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,960 Speaker 1: gone through that process. But we have far too little 1843 01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:57,320 Speaker 1: familiarity with the pain and loss that others feel, and 1844 01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,280 Speaker 1: too great a familiarity, I think, with the hayne and 1845 01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,280 Speaker 1: loss that we feel. Right, you're very aware of your 1846 01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:06,360 Speaker 1: health struggles, the problems you have in your family no 1847 01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:08,759 Speaker 1: matter how great your family is, we all have stuff. 1848 01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're acutely familiar with your own disappointments 1849 01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:16,559 Speaker 1: and your own insecurities. And certainly I am and I'm 1850 01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:19,559 Speaker 1: somebody who comes in and speaks, uh speaks for three 1851 01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:23,200 Speaker 1: hours at a time, and uh is opening up a 1852 01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,479 Speaker 1: part of myself. And whenever you do that, you also 1853 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,960 Speaker 1: realize you're exposing. You're exposing you know, are are you? 1854 01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,040 Speaker 1: Are you good enough at this? Are you smart enough 1855 01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,519 Speaker 1: at this book? Are you bringing enough to the table 1856 01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:37,120 Speaker 1: for people? Um? Are are you connecting? Or are you distant? 1857 01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,960 Speaker 1: Are you? You know? This is the the other side 1858 01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,280 Speaker 1: of of performance of any kind, which is that most 1859 01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:47,920 Speaker 1: people that have to perform are become somewhat obsessed. There's 1860 01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:50,160 Speaker 1: a healthy level of obsession and abab on with how 1861 01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,720 Speaker 1: am I doing? Am doing a good enough job? But 1862 01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:56,000 Speaker 1: you're also very then aware of your failings and your 1863 01:43:56,080 --> 01:44:02,120 Speaker 1: flaws and uh, that's I think on a societal level 1864 01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,960 Speaker 1: right now, that's kind of a psychological pandemic. I think 1865 01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,160 Speaker 1: we all see this false reality that other people are 1866 01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,960 Speaker 1: putting out there of and wherever you are, and I know, 1867 01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's amazing because I'm speaking to you, and 1868 01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:17,280 Speaker 1: it always is. I feel as though I am speaking 1869 01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:18,720 Speaker 1: to my friends, and many of you over the years 1870 01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:25,080 Speaker 1: have become my friends. But whether you're listening in Alaska, California, Mississippi, 1871 01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:30,080 Speaker 1: North Carolina, Ohio, wherever you are across the country, this 1872 01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:34,160 Speaker 1: is I think true in in America today, that you 1873 01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:39,080 Speaker 1: have this exposure to um, you have this exposure to 1874 01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:44,120 Speaker 1: the success of others that's even an inflated success, and 1875 01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:47,080 Speaker 1: that then forces you to question your own failures more. 1876 01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,400 Speaker 1: And this brings me then to the opioid epidemic, which 1877 01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,639 Speaker 1: is I think people are looking to escape. They're looking 1878 01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,320 Speaker 1: to escape pain. Yes, and opioids. Of course, the you 1879 01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,880 Speaker 1: know the work on the receptors in the brain that 1880 01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:00,800 Speaker 1: have to do with pain, Morphine and heroin, and these 1881 01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:04,759 Speaker 1: are all classes of opioid or types of opioid drugs. 1882 01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:07,960 Speaker 1: But fentonel and these chemical variants are even more potent, 1883 01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:11,280 Speaker 1: even more powerful. But why do we have so many 1884 01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:14,640 Speaker 1: people that want to escape and want to deal with 1885 01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:17,200 Speaker 1: the pain? And I think a lot of it is 1886 01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:21,639 Speaker 1: the pain of disappointment. And I think the the ease 1887 01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:25,720 Speaker 1: with which people can get these drugs and the potency 1888 01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:29,519 Speaker 1: of them to escape all fear, all resentment, all envy, 1889 01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:35,800 Speaker 1: all sense of insufficiency. Is is very seductive for people. 1890 01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:40,000 Speaker 1: And once you add into that the biological chemical components 1891 01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:43,120 Speaker 1: of this, where you have an incredibly potent substance that 1892 01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:45,559 Speaker 1: literally makes your brain and body think you need more 1893 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:47,800 Speaker 1: of it, you want more of it. That's how we 1894 01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:51,200 Speaker 1: have a situation where not only tens of thousands are dying, 1895 01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:54,160 Speaker 1: but how many more tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands 1896 01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:59,160 Speaker 1: of lives are ruined as a result of this current 1897 01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:04,120 Speaker 1: opioid a ademic. So that's that's just my those are 1898 01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:06,960 Speaker 1: my thoughts on on how this is becoming the problem 1899 01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:08,919 Speaker 1: that it is. And I know there's there's a cartel 1900 01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,479 Speaker 1: aspect to it, and you know Heroin coming up from 1901 01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:16,280 Speaker 1: Mexico and the prevalence of these really design bioid drugs 1902 01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:19,040 Speaker 1: that can be made in facilities that don't require growing 1903 01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:22,680 Speaker 1: and outdoor outdoor exposure so it's harder to find them. 1904 01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:25,639 Speaker 1: Those are all other aspects of this too, But really 1905 01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,439 Speaker 1: at at the at the root of it, I'm wondering 1906 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:32,080 Speaker 1: and trying to get at why do people make this 1907 01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:36,080 Speaker 1: very dangerous, very destructive choice. And I think it is. 1908 01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,560 Speaker 1: I really do believe it's it's to escape um, and 1909 01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:43,360 Speaker 1: it's to get away from pain, and some cases it's physical. 1910 01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:46,080 Speaker 1: I know some people have chronic back pain and they 1911 01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:50,280 Speaker 1: start taking prescription pain killers and then they move on 1912 01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:53,479 Speaker 1: from there to other drugs because they've become addicted, you know, 1913 01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,400 Speaker 1: other pain killer drugs, because they become addicted. So that's 1914 01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:59,120 Speaker 1: really mostly physiological, and there's a whole I have a 1915 01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:00,880 Speaker 1: I have a whole bunch of theories and I'm not 1916 01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,599 Speaker 1: a doctor or a physical therapist or anything, but theories 1917 01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:06,000 Speaker 1: on why we all have so much physical pain that 1918 01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,200 Speaker 1: we're dealing with as well, which I think that's also 1919 01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:15,720 Speaker 1: a pandemic onto itself. But the plague of of unhappiness 1920 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:20,559 Speaker 1: and disaffectedness that is resulting, and I think many people 1921 01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:25,679 Speaker 1: turning to these incredibly potent, dangerous drugs is a modern phenomenal. 1922 01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:29,080 Speaker 1: We are not as focused now on just survival, We're 1923 01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:32,759 Speaker 1: not as focused on just keeping our family safe and sound. 1924 01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,160 Speaker 1: There is this focus on this in this country of 1925 01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:37,880 Speaker 1: everybody has to be a superstar, everybody has to be 1926 01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:41,240 Speaker 1: the best, everyone has to be a hero, and you 1927 01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,439 Speaker 1: don't spend enough time or see enough of everyone is struggling, 1928 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:49,679 Speaker 1: Everyone has their problems. Everyone feels like there are ways 1929 01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:52,200 Speaker 1: in which they could be better and ways in which 1930 01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:54,880 Speaker 1: they've never worked hard enough to improve. And it is 1931 01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:58,439 Speaker 1: in fact those places, those areas, those thoughts that in 1932 01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:01,519 Speaker 1: many ways buying us supposed to get there. We are 1933 01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:06,880 Speaker 1: bound together by our suffering and our difficulties and our frustrations. It's, 1934 01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:09,160 Speaker 1: in fact, in many ways what makes us human. Sure 1935 01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:13,080 Speaker 1: kindness and consideration and loyalty and honor. I mean, those 1936 01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,320 Speaker 1: are the the the best human traits. But if you're 1937 01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:19,640 Speaker 1: looking for a way to feel how I feel, how 1938 01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:22,519 Speaker 1: other people are feeling, and sympathize with the other side, 1939 01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:27,000 Speaker 1: sympathize with your fellow human beings, it's actually it is 1940 01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,360 Speaker 1: in suffering, and it is in pain and uh and 1941 01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:33,600 Speaker 1: disappointment and heartbreak. That's where we can all look at 1942 01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,360 Speaker 1: each other and say I'm right there with you. Um, 1943 01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:39,760 Speaker 1: And there's not nearly enough I think of a a 1944 01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:43,320 Speaker 1: connectivity there, and there's much more of a sense of 1945 01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not good enough and and my life 1946 01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:48,880 Speaker 1: isn't what it should be. And you know I don't 1947 01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:50,880 Speaker 1: feel a connection to God. I know I don't talk 1948 01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:52,639 Speaker 1: about religion much on the show, but I think that's 1949 01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:54,640 Speaker 1: a big part of it too, And so people are 1950 01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:57,840 Speaker 1: looking to escape, looking to escape psychological pain. Is everybody 1951 01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:59,880 Speaker 1: as real as physical pain, and they're looking to escape it. 1952 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,760 Speaker 1: That's my sense on that. Um, I we'll hit a 1953 01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:06,040 Speaker 1: quick break here. I'll be right back, team stay with 1954 01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:18,800 Speaker 1: me last night in my in my new apartment where 1955 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:22,040 Speaker 1: I actually have I know some of your chuckling, chuckoling, 1956 01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,640 Speaker 1: It's all right, I've I've chosen to live here in 1957 01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:27,760 Speaker 1: New York City, my my hobbit sized homes in New 1958 01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,960 Speaker 1: York City. I had a stove before, but it was 1959 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,600 Speaker 1: really a single burner and it was very European. This 1960 01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:34,280 Speaker 1: was like, oh, do you want to like make a 1961 01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,320 Speaker 1: little bit of you know, like you could cook yourself 1962 01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:40,000 Speaker 1: like one egg, like maybe you could throw twuns out, 1963 01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,439 Speaker 1: but you don't want to overdo it because then's it's 1964 01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:44,960 Speaker 1: a little tiny flame. It's like a little bit it's 1965 01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:46,760 Speaker 1: once cooks the egg and you'll have like the raw 1966 01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,120 Speaker 1: runney egg and it looks like the stuff that comes 1967 01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:52,160 Speaker 1: from your nose and it's very gross. So I wasn't 1968 01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:55,000 Speaker 1: really able to cook for real zies. And I love 1969 01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:59,000 Speaker 1: I really like cooking because I've finally thrown myself into 1970 01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:01,519 Speaker 1: it and forced myself to be the big The big 1971 01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:05,360 Speaker 1: difference for me was being willing to fail, meaning that 1972 01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:09,400 Speaker 1: I've learned to keep like frozen chicken tenders in the fridge, which, 1973 01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,280 Speaker 1: by the way, I love frozen. I eat frozen chicken 1974 01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:13,160 Speaker 1: tenders all the time. I mean, the two things that 1975 01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:15,920 Speaker 1: I always have on hand at home are dark dark, 1976 01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,639 Speaker 1: well three things dark chocolate, whole milk, and frozen chicken tenders. 1977 01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,120 Speaker 1: In fact, I eat them together sometimes and Molly is like, 1978 01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:23,519 Speaker 1: what are you doing? And I'm like, babe, it's chicken 1979 01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:28,320 Speaker 1: and chocolate. It's amazing. So anyway, I was able to 1980 01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:32,400 Speaker 1: finally convince myself that even if I got the ingredients, 1981 01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,400 Speaker 1: got the food, and just made a total ness of it, 1982 01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:39,040 Speaker 1: it was worth it to try. And I've never really 1983 01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:42,680 Speaker 1: been able to do a pan seared steak properly on 1984 01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:44,559 Speaker 1: a stove top. I know some of you are like, Buck, 1985 01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:46,760 Speaker 1: come on, what are you? What are you talking about? 1986 01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,400 Speaker 1: What are your communist? You gotta steer your steak out 1987 01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,280 Speaker 1: on the grill like like a real American. And I agree, 1988 01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,360 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, in New York City, a propane grill and 1989 01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:58,160 Speaker 1: a private residence is like a ten dollar fine, so 1990 01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:02,160 Speaker 1: I can't really do that. I stovetop, though, actually can 1991 01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:03,840 Speaker 1: work really well if you know what you're doing, but 1992 01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:05,560 Speaker 1: you always have to have the right tools, and you 1993 01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:07,120 Speaker 1: get to finish it in the oven. So last night 1994 01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:09,880 Speaker 1: I got a big T bone steak thick. I mean 1995 01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:13,040 Speaker 1: it was like inch and a half thick steak, maybe 1996 01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:16,800 Speaker 1: two inches, and I just you know, Molly's gone for 1997 01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:18,880 Speaker 1: work for a few days, so I had the place 1998 01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:21,240 Speaker 1: to myself. No, I smoked this place out, man. I 1999 01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:23,960 Speaker 1: mean I was cooking, and you know, I was sitting there, 2000 01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,360 Speaker 1: maybe rocking out to some Fox News in the background, 2001 01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:29,840 Speaker 1: neither here nor there. And I was just cooking up 2002 01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,439 Speaker 1: a storm in here. And I set off the smoke 2003 01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:36,920 Speaker 1: alarm three times the and and I was just going 2004 01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,040 Speaker 1: wild on the steak. I got the rosemary in there. 2005 01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:40,800 Speaker 1: I even threw a little butter on the side. By 2006 01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:43,280 Speaker 1: the way, the key is that once you've got the 2007 01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,479 Speaker 1: sear going on both sides, and it's it's got a 2008 01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:49,080 Speaker 1: nice brown crisp. If you're doing it on stovetop, nice 2009 01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:51,360 Speaker 1: brown crisp to it. You know, you get that sear 2010 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,000 Speaker 1: before you finish in the oven, which is the key 2011 01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:56,800 Speaker 1: step that I had not done in the past, which 2012 01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:59,360 Speaker 1: is why I had cut into my fair share of 2013 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:03,160 Speaker 1: cold center purple center steaks that were seared on the 2014 01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:06,000 Speaker 1: outside and like raw on the inside. Yeah, I made 2015 01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,680 Speaker 1: some mistakes back in the day, I'll admit it. Um. 2016 01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:10,840 Speaker 1: But once you get the place, before you put in 2017 01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:14,200 Speaker 1: the oven, you throw butter, and I mean liberal use 2018 01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:16,519 Speaker 1: of butter and cooking is just, in my opinion, always 2019 01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:21,640 Speaker 1: a good idea. And then some sprigs of rosemary and 2020 01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:24,160 Speaker 1: it was just I mean, I thought I ate the 2021 01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:26,600 Speaker 1: whole thing. It was phenomenal. Actually posted it on Instagram. 2022 01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:28,880 Speaker 1: It's very proud of myself. First time I've ever really 2023 01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,760 Speaker 1: done a steak, a thick t bone steak. I could. 2024 01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:35,479 Speaker 1: I had done flank steak before, which is thinner and 2025 01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:37,320 Speaker 1: you can pound it and you know, but but I 2026 01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:39,320 Speaker 1: the first time I'd ever done a real t bone 2027 01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:40,600 Speaker 1: so I was very proud of myself. It was like, 2028 01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:42,479 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm an adult now, I'm thirty five 2029 01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,360 Speaker 1: years old. At thirty five, I feel like I'm where 2030 01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,120 Speaker 1: I thought i'd be at twenty five when I was 2031 01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:49,439 Speaker 1: in my late teens. This is what I've realized in life. 2032 01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:52,840 Speaker 1: Although I assumed I'd be working for some corporation, I 2033 01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:55,000 Speaker 1: never thought i'd be in conservative media. 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