1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was probably prevalent S induced concept 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: change in human judgment. It's one more thing, I'm getty. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 2: One more thing before we get to that. 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 3: I think we're all iPhone users here. Has anybody downloaded 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: the iOS eighteen yet? Came out Monday? It's supposed to 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 3: be the biggest update in iPhone update history, and I 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 3: haven't done it yet. I just read about it. Uh 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: so I guess I'll do that tonight. See how it goes. 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I do have an update available. I didn't 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 3: know that. Yeah, I didn't either. And like I said that, 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: they call it the biggest update in iPhone history. So 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: changes all kinds of different things, often in ways I 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: don't like. Regularly they too often for me. Things get 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: changed with all tech. It just seems like to make 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: it fresh and new, as opposed to it being an upgrade. 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: It's just different. And I'm always like this used to 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: be over here, and now it's over here. What's the difference? Well, 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: why when you just leave what? 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? What? 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: It's eight Yeah? 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: Wow, it's I've got automatic updates on and it's telling 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 1: me I can update to seventeen point seven if that's. 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: What mine saying, right, it's right below that, Joe. If 24 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: you scroll down a little bit, it says also available. 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: So I'll just read here this New York Coers story. 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: Apple users already fed up with iOS eighteen for being 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: a cheaters paradise and making them want to throw up. 28 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: There's something about the new camera thing that said makes 29 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: people nauseous. 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: I don't know. It sounds like one of these things 31 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: that's a way to get the It's an ad. We 32 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: always talk about this in the movie industry. They do 33 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: this all the time. A lot of complaints about the 34 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: new Harry Potter movie, making people with epilepsy want to 35 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: throw up. To mention that there's a new Harry Potter 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: movie out right, it. 37 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: Was so scary. Man had a heart attack. 38 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, but this, of course, sometimes you're a guinea pig 39 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: with these downloads, right, That might be the case here. 40 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: The cheating aspect of the iOS eighteen is that and 41 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: you live such a debauched lifestyle if this is a 42 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: problem anyway, I mean you're looking at each other's phones 43 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: and trying to figure out if you're cheating. You're already 44 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: way down a road, a bad road, I think. But 45 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: it's got ways to hide apps and stuff that never 46 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: existed before on your phone. So if somebody looks at 47 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: your phone, they don't know where, they wouldn't see all 48 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 3: the stuff that you have. Oh, which is to protect 49 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 3: you in case somebody looks at your phone like now 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: that it's not supposed to but from a you're looking 51 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: at your husband's phone or vice versa, or boyfriend's or 52 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, they don't You don't want them to know. 53 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: You're on match dot com or something. I guess, but 54 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: you already got significant problems if you're looking through each 55 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: other's phones trying to find I would. 56 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: Say, deceit, you're here. Ah, you're probably gonna find it. 57 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: So I have been sitting on this email waiting to 58 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: bring it up on the show and just haven't gotten 59 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: to it, which is too bad because I think it's 60 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: so interesting. It's from the fambulous Paolo, who writes us 61 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: pretty regularly, he said in a paywalled article I heard 62 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: about this twenty eighteen Harvard study Prevalence induced concept change 63 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: in Human judgment. Reading from Pellow's email, it may explain 64 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: why we appear to be becoming far more sensitive to 65 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: the same stimuli than we used to be for one example, 66 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: we try to eliminate anything offensive, we lower our threshold 67 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: for what's offensive offensive, as if we're trying to keep 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: the number of offensive things constant in a changing world. 69 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 3: Okay, you're gonna have to give me an example of 70 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: this or talk me through this. 71 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: Let me read that sentence again. When, for example, we 72 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: try to eliminate anything offensive, we lower our threshold for 73 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: what's offensive, as if we're trying to keep the number 74 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: of offensive things constant in a changing world. Meaning we 75 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: have to be this level of mad about five things, 76 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: and if there aren't five things that merit that level 77 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: of mad, things below it get promoted. 78 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: I get that, and I've got a good example of 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: that in other world. But I'm trying to think of something. 80 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: Are the offenses that we've eliminated that then allow stupid 81 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: or offensives to bubble up onto the list. 82 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: Let me plunge into this and it'll clarify itself, and 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: or it won't. We can discuss in an example relevant today, 84 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: if we do our best to eliminate racism, we should 85 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: expect that we will expand our definition of what it 86 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: is in order to keep its incidents constant. Ironic huh. 87 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: Makes it a lot harder to deal with social problems 88 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: when some part of our brain wants to keep the 89 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: number of them constant. Here is the abstract of the study. 90 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: Why do some social problems seem so intractable? In a 91 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: series of experiments, we show that people often respond to 92 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: decreases in the prevalence of stimulus by expanding their concept 93 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: of it. When blue dots become rare, participants began to 94 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 1: see purple dots as blue. When threatening faces became rare, 95 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: participants began to see neutral faces as threatening gotcha. And 96 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: when unethical requests became rare, participants became to see innocuous 97 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: began to see innocuous requests as unethical. This prevalence induced 98 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: concept change occurred even when the participants were forwarned about it, 99 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: and even when they were instructed and paid to resist it. 100 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: Social problems may seem intractable in part because reductions in 101 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: their prevalence lead people to see more of them. 102 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: So my example that I've been aware of before I 103 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 3: even heard of this study. Having lived lots of different 104 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: places and lots of different climates, people have a certain 105 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: level of being worried about driving in weather no matter 106 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 3: where you are. And I've lived in places where driving 107 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 3: in the weather was actually really dicey, like super icy, 108 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: super snow. I couldn't see the road. 109 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: If you car got stuck, it's forty below zero, you're 110 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: gonna die howling winds. 111 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 3: But they weren't more concerned about driving in bad weather 112 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: than in places where it's seventy five degrees in kind 113 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: of rainy. You raise your level of concern about it 114 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: to the same level both places. So that's the same 115 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: thing as this. We just have a set point for 116 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: being offended or worried or whatever, and we fill in 117 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 3: the blanks to get there, I guess. 118 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: Right, And anybody who's read people bitching online, for instance, 119 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: about the smallest of inconvenience, right, I think that's what's 120 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: going on. 121 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: There could be. 122 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: And you know, from an anthropological point of view, this 123 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: makes sense because the threat level, well, I mean it 124 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: changed place to place, and like season a season, maybe 125 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: in a particular part of the world, but for millions 126 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: of years, humanoids had to be at this level, you know, 127 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: at Defcon one essentially all the time. And so now 128 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: that our our lives are so vastly safer than they were, 129 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: we got to find something to put in the why 130 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: am I at def Con one list? 131 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: Right? Right? 132 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: So we worry and it's not saber toothed tigers chewing 133 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: on my kid. It's you know whatever, you Republicans or 134 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: your kid's going to be abducted even though they're not, 135 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: but you worry about it, right at the same level. Yeah, 136 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: So more on the And this is thirty five pages long, 137 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: and I don't think I got Heywald, we'll post this 138 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: at armstrong and Getty dot com as soon as we're done. Uh, 139 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: sometimes something is so interesting I'll actually go ahead and 140 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: pay for it. But the deformation of a solid underload 141 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: is known as creep, but in the past few years, 142 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: that term is crept beyond material science and has come 143 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: to describe almost any kind of unintended expansion of a boundary. 144 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: Software software developers worry about feature creep, the unintended expansion 145 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: of a product's function of time, project managers worry about 146 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: scope creep, the unintended expansion of a team's mandate over time. 147 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: And military commanders worry about mission creep, which is something 148 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: I think we've all heard. The unintended expansion of a 149 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: campaign's uh objectives over time, As it turns out, abstract 150 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: concepts can creep too. For example, in nineteen sixty Webster's 151 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Dictionary defined aggression as quote an unprovoked attack or invasion, 152 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: but today that concept can include behaviors such as making 153 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: insufficient eye contact or asking people where they are from. Wow, 154 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: not an unprovoked attack. Raining blows upon your head, but 155 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: asking you where you're from, that's a microaggression. 156 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: Wow any plunge on. 157 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: Many Other concepts, such as abuse, bullying, mental disorder, trauma, addiction, 158 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: and prejudice have expanded of late as well. 159 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: We've used the example of sexual harassment a lot three 160 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: year when they kept changing the definition from you know, 161 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 3: a physical grope, maybe a rape to g your hair 162 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: looks nice. Or a perfect example would be the whole 163 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: hunger thing. What's hunger now? It's you might not know 164 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: where your meal is coming from in the next year, 165 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: and you count it with the same level of concern 166 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: is when people. 167 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: Somebody right, yeah, yeah. One final point from again This 168 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: is thirty five pages long, but the opening part of 169 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 1: it the abstract. Some take these expansions as signs of 170 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: political correctness, and other signs of others as signs of 171 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: social awakening. We take no position on whether these expansions 172 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: are good or bad. 173 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 3: It's the first. 174 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: Rather, yeah, Rather we seek to understand what makes them happen. 175 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: Why do concepts creep? 176 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 3: That's super interesting and clearly true. 177 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: Okay, here's a question for you. And I wish I 178 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: thought about this in advance because I don't want to. 179 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to have like a huge blind spot. 180 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't think individualists and conservatives are as prone to this. 181 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 3: I think you're right, right, yeah, I mean, unless you're 182 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 3: a fire breather. 183 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: I don't think like Nancy Pelosi is a serious threat 184 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: to the democracy. I think she's a absolutely Macavelian realist 185 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: who advocates policies I think are stupid and I would 186 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: like to fight against. Now, there are people like the 187 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: neo Marxists who I think absolutely are but I can 188 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: absolutely make that case. I mean, they've stayed in themselves. 189 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: They're bent on destroying Western civilization rebuilding it as a 190 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: Marxist utopia. I wonder if there is, and perhaps they 191 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: study this in the study. I wonder if they're as 192 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: a variance in this across various personality types. 193 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: I don't know, but if you dropped somebody from the 194 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: rural prairie eighteen hundreds into modern life, they would think 195 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: this is so easy. I got nothing to worry about. Yeah, 196 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 3: no highway robbers are going to come in and murder 197 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 3: me and my family. And there ain't no Indians over 198 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: the hill, and wow, this is fantastic. You go to 199 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: work every day, I come home, nothing happens. Yeah. I. 200 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, they're easily offended or thinking the world's ending if 201 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: you say, you know, the wrong pronoun or something of 202 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: that nature. 203 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: Not enough eye contact. 204 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: Right, there's a tangent on a tangent. But I wonder 205 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: if that weirdly time traveling pioneer would after a while 206 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: adapt to his new surroundings. 207 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 3: Probably, right, seems to be human nature, which is weird. 208 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: We should fight that, Yeah, And like you said, I 209 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 3: think people on the right tend to fight it. People 210 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: on the left tend to embrace it or enjoy it. 211 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: Being scared as a weapon, use it as a weapon. 212 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: Very good. 213 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: I wonder if pathologizing, and if you're not familiar with this, 214 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: Greg Lukianov and Jonathan hat have done some absolutely fantastic 215 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: work on this, The pathologizing of normal emotional life where 216 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: if you're sad, you say you're depressed. If you are nervous, 217 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: you say you have anxiety. And both depression and anxiety 218 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: have a self reinforcing nature to them, because you can 219 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: become anxious about being anxious, You can anticipate a situation 220 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: where you will become very anxious, and that will make 221 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: you anxious, and then when you're in that situation at 222 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: snowballs and depression. As anybody who's ever dealt with any 223 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: level depression knows, it is so inward looking and self perpetuating. 224 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: The best thing you can do for depression is to 225 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: get out of the house, expose yourself to other people 226 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: in their lives and their concerns and their joys, and 227 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're utter, inward focused whatever it 228 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: is goes away much more effectively. But to the don't 229 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: ruminate is one of the things the experts say these days, 230 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: like some of the modern therapy, where you're constantly, constantly 231 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: talking about your problems and thinking about them is the 232 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: worst thing you can do. 233 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: But to the one crowd fights this tendency and the 234 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: other crowd embraces it. I was talking to a person 235 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: of the right the other night, and we agreed we 236 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 3: have never used the phrases triggered or overwhelmed in our lives, 237 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: and we never would regardless of the situation. I would 238 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 3: never say out loud, especially to another adult, I'm overwhelmed, 239 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: No way, I'm just not going to do it. But 240 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: there is a certain crowd that wants to use that 241 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 3: word all the time, constantly anxious, telling people how are 242 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: anxious they are and how overwhelmed they are, because it's 243 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: like a badge of honor or something like that. I 244 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: don't know what that is. 245 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: It gets them attention and love. 246 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, how triggered they are, how they're being gas lit. 247 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, Whereas I would never want to say that 248 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: out loud, even if I was feeling it. 249 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: I've had coworkers say that here, triggered. 250 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm good for you. 251 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know why. Michael came in for a kick, 252 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: and I thought that was a lovely contribution. Is I 253 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: realized talking about the people who are triggered? Oh, I 254 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: say so again, I'm reminded of wonderful saying we heard 255 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: the other day. What was the context? Oh, it was 256 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: the uh uh what's his name? 257 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: Uh? 258 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: Jim Carter, the British Committee, and who was one of 259 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: the things he threw into his interesting stew of thoughts 260 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: was a gentleman is never rude accidentally, and I don't 261 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: want to be rude accidentally. There are plenty of people 262 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: on the right who do answer to the paranoid up 263 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: in our angry about stuff that is not the least 264 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: bit realistic. 265 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: Abso freaking lutely see prepper stuff. 266 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: Right, it's nowhere near one hundred percent correlation between conservatism 267 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: and real life, although there are a lot of things 268 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: that are called conservatism right now that are not conservatism 269 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: in the sense that that term has been used for 270 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: the last seventy five years, so I don't know exactly 271 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: what to call it. Anyway. Humans are crazy. God gave 272 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: us too big a brain, less thinking about anxiety, more 273 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: grunting and running around looking to mate. We're not even 274 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: mating anymore. We don't know when to stop eating. Time 275 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: to give back the frontal lobe we had the trial 276 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: period didn't work. Let's get on all fours again. 277 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: Huh, what are you? Sean combs? 278 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: Back to the past, that's what I want. No, no, no, 279 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: don't try to paint me, the PERV you sickos. 280 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: That conversation triggers me, Well, I guess that's it.