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Speaker 1: seed two A National Championship Duke versus Arizona. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: to Games with Names, presented by win Bet. I'm Samuel

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Speaker 1: and I'm Julian Edelman, and we are on the search

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Speaker 1: to find the greatest game of all time. And on

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Speaker 1: today's episode we have the two thousand and one and

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Speaker 1: C two A Championship Duke versus Arizona with Shane Battie.

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Speaker 1: A big episode and maybe maybe maybe we'll hear a

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Speaker 1: little from Gilbert Reinus too. We don't know yet, but

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Speaker 1: that would be that would be Agent zero, Agent zero,

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Speaker 1: Agent zero. But first we'll head back to the world

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Speaker 1: of pop culture in two thousand and one. That'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll take a look at these squads, and finally

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Speaker 1: We want to hear from you. We want to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. Why are we doing this game? I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is iconic. Man, it doesn't get bigger than this.

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Speaker 1: Lut Olsen versus coach k lout The famously the father

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Speaker 1: the All Star of this this whole thing. He was like,

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Speaker 1: mister Duke, best player in college senior. Like, how often

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Speaker 1: are guys playing for their seniors? Right? No one, you can't.

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Speaker 1: I want to make that money, that gwop, that guda,

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Speaker 1: that cheddar, that guacamole. But this money. This was the

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Speaker 1: championship that ushered in the new era of Duke basketball.

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Speaker 1: it's Chris Duhan, who's an NBA player, It's Mike Dunleavy

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Speaker 1: missing here? J Jay will Jay Williams who you know?

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Speaker 1: He's great. He really got he got done dirty by

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Speaker 1: be nice? How about that? And Coach K, I was

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Speaker 1: April second, two thousand and one, number one movie Spy kids.

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Speaker 1: Aren't they? No? Let me check them out. Damn we're

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Speaker 1: Aaliyah and you might have to fact check this too,

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Speaker 1: stuff recently on like a speaking engagement at the State Department. Yeah,

417
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: what what was that though? What do you I'm curious.

418
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: I think he's like real conservative, right, real like far right.

419
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: Damn I mean Indiana. Yeah, that's true. Pretty uh you know,

420
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'll keep that there Indiana. Enough said. Stuck

421
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: at Indiana for the I've been there. It's a rough

422
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: It's not a good state. If we were talking like

423
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: actual state rankings in the country, it's bottom ten, without

424
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: question Indiana. I don't like Indiana. It's fucking I might

425
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: I've had some bad We lost a super Bowl in

426
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: Indianapolis when we played in Indianapolis, a super in a

427
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: fucking cold weather city, which was terrible. And then in

428
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and six at Kent State, we were going

429
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: to Ball State Muntseie, Indiana and we had to beat

430
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: them to win the MAC or go to a Bowl game,

431
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: and we were like favored and fucking Nate Davis in

432
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: the fucking ball State whatever. Cardinals beat our ass. A

433
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: long bus ride home. I don't like Indianapolis. I remember

434
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: I did a New Year's gig there at a comedy

435
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: club called Crackers. I shit, you not that's the name.

436
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: It's called Crackers, and uh, I'm the headliner's New Year's

437
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: my opening act freaking buried me. He was a fucking

438
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: Midwest guy. He would do kind of bad for his

439
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: whole set, but his closer was unfollowable. He killed so hard.

440
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 1: The closer was just this, he would go, I went

441
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: to a Backstreet Boys contract recently, and you know, they

442
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: serenaded a woman on stage, so I thought it'd be

443
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: pretty funny if I did it to a man. So

444
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: he'd just bring a guy on stage and basically play

445
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: a Backstreet Boys song, hump him, put a rose in

446
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: his mouth. The joke was like, how funny is gay?

447
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: That was the joke, and in Indianapolis, that shit killed.

448
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: I had to follow that and I bombed every night.

449
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: The first night I was like, haha, that was something.

450
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: By night five, I was like, fuck that guy, it's

451
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: like my opening fuck him. And it got weird in

452
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: the in the green room, but that's that's an Indian look.

453
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: I played them many times since, but that one always

454
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: stuck with me. Yeah, Old Indy, that's on the ship

455
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: list of I like Indy. I don't like him, you

456
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: don't like it. We just trash it for like five minutes.

457
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: I can't save it at this. I mean, what's done

458
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: is done. Peyton was there for a long time. I

459
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: don't know. No, no, look they got that. I'm Eli guy.

460
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: I'm an Eli guy too. Elma. Saint Elmo's Steakhouse? Is

461
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: that the one? Yeah? That place is fucking awesome in Indy?

462
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: Is it all right? Let's just put horse radish in

463
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: our fucking thing and make everyone go, oh, I can't

464
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: eat this. It's like and it's a good vibe. You

465
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: can't knock the vibe. I thought it was overrated. Wow, Okay.

466
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean I was trying to find something redeeming about

467
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: the city, but I guess there's nothing because we went

468
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: to Saint Elmo's. Actually we went to Saint Elmo's for

469
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It was like a bunch of the

470
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: players and uh, I was like a second year player

471
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: and we did credit card roulette and it was like

472
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: a fucking like an eight thousand dollars bill and I won.

473
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: I was sitting there lost. I lost. Yeah, I'm sitting

474
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: there like, oh man, this is how did you play Roulette? Well?

475
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: They just they spun it around. Yeah, they just pick

476
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: it they pick it out of the hat, They pick

477
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: a credit card out of the hat, picked mine, and

478
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: fucking thank god. Well tell me you weren't Welker paid.

479
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: Welker paid for it? Why because he felt bad? He's

480
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: making nine and a half million dollars. I don't. Yeah,

481
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: I think he felt bad. That's one nice thing he

482
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: did to me. Damn, one nice thing. Thanks Welke. Appreciate you.

483
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: Well you didn't pay. I don't know why this is

484
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: a good story. It is, but I was terrified. I

485
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: had anxiety for like and is a lot, especially I

486
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: was making like two hundred grand. Was Brady out with

487
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: you guys? Now? It was like receivers, okay, receivers and skills.

488
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't think Brady was there. No, he wasn't. That's

489
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: shout out Wes Welker for that's a shout out Welk.

490
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: Shout out Welk. We love waing Welk. Let's get into

491
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: the teams. Duke preseason number two behind Arizona coach by

492
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: coach k led by first team All American duo Shane

493
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: Battier and Jay Williams. Battier had nineteen point nine points

494
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: per game, seven rebounds, one block two steals. That's what

495
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: he averaged. Won the Wooden Nasmith AP Player of the

496
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: Year award, the us BWA Player of the Year, the

497
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: NABC Defensive Player of the Year. This guy's got more

498
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: awards than I can even Yeah, he's got a lot

499
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: of awards. Dpoy HPV. Now I'm making the last one up. No.

500
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: Six future NBA players. We touched on it, but it's

501
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: for the one I forgot here is Dante Jones red

502
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: shirt that season, but they had Duhon Boozer, dun Levy,

503
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: Jay Williams, and Battier finished thirty six and four second

504
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: ranked offense. I mean, yeah, high powered team for sure.

505
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: Rode to the championship game. What's up with their defense?

506
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: It was one hundred and forty ninth ranked. Come on, yeah,

507
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: that's weird. They have all these great defensive players. Where

508
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: they just playing good teams or what the hell? Maybe

509
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: I'm looking to that. Okay, they won the ACC and

510
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: the road to the championship game was Mammoth, Missouri, u C, L,

511
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: a USC and Maryland. All right, let's go to Arizona.

512
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: Preseason number one. As we said, Luke Olson, four NBA

513
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: future players, Gilbert Arenez, Richard Jefferson, Lauren Woods, who is

514
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: who was a killer on this team? And we didn't

515
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: even mention Luke Walton head coach Luke Yeah, assistant with

516
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: the Warriors, and then the sack Kings played for the

517
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: La Lakers. He was a head coach for the Lakers too,

518
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: like a half a season, right, that's right, he was, right.

519
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Oh shit, that's your in and out if you're a

520
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: Lakers coach. So often, even if you win a championship,

521
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: no respect. Frank Vogel, bye bye, I'm sorry, had one

522
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: bad year when he had no fucking roster around him.

523
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: That guy's a good coach. Yeah, La La. They don't appreciate, no,

524
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: they they just probably they wanted to move on. They

525
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: finished twenty eight and eight, including the NCAA Tournament. Rode

526
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: to the championship game was Eastern Illinois, Butler Ole Miss

527
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: Illinois Michigan State, which had had a good team this year.

528
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: Michigan State always has a pretty good team, they really do.

529
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: They're a good basketball school. Was it Magic Johnson Michigan's Yeah, yeah,

530
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: Draymond Green Yeah, I mean they've had some ballers. Yeah.

531
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: The rivalry series dates back to nineteen sixty one. They've

532
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: met nine times. Arizona has the series lead at five

533
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: and four. Haven't played since twenty thirteen. Arizona beat Duke

534
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: in the Sweet sixteen in twenty thirteen. Yeah, oh wow,

535
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: things we remember Mike don Levy three three pointers and

536
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: forty eight seconds. That's what I didn't get. I didn't

537
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: like so at the end of the game, there's there

538
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: was like thirty seconds and they just kind of let

539
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: it wind down in Arizona. Yeah, why wouldn't we play

540
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: up a decent amount, right, wasn't it I think it

541
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: was ten points? Yeah, they just quit, they quit, they quit. Yeah,

542
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: come on, Zona. Battier hit a couple clutch shots, and

543
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean the putback, donk, the put back tip Battier

544
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: was he took over. He took over when it mattered

545
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: most and uh things you might have forgotten. Arenas played

546
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: with an injury suffered in the previous game. Could it

547
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: have been a different story if he was one hundred percent?

548
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, awesome. Agent zero was a fucking phenomenal play killer.

549
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: I loved watching him. Killer controversial calls. No call against

550
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Battier and Williams On Gardner, which would have been his

551
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: third with nine minutes in the first half. No call,

552
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: Now let the boys play. Lauren Woods bailed out and

553
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: the loss are bowled out rather twenty two points, eleven rebounds,

554
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: four blocks. I mean he was he was a really

555
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: tough assignment because I think Batier was on him a

556
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: lot of the games and he was just much longer

557
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: than Badier. He was and Duke they dominated this tournament.

558
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: They won every game by double digits. I mean that

559
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: they were two thousand and one team of the Year

560
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: by far. Unless Gilbert Arenas may have played maybe no

561
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: may it hurt. Final score Duke eighty two, Arizona seventy two.

562
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: Duke wins its third national championship and coach k congratulates

563
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: the men outstanding young men of Arizona. After the game.

564
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, for the prop bet, this is the gaming

565
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: corner presented by win bed here. I'm thinking, for the

566
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: prop bet, how many times can we get at Shane

567
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Battier to compliment Arizona a player in Arizona, because you

568
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: think we get like three, because he's a classy guy.

569
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I could see him giving into this, like how do

570
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: you how do you how do you make him compliment him,

571
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: just say, man, like how good was Gilbert Arenez and

572
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: see it He'll be like, oh man, you know, if

573
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: we can keep getting him play along, be like, dude,

574
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: and how about I mean Luke Luke Walton. It's pretty crazy.

575
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: He became like a head coach that hasn't really done

576
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: anything exactly. Yeah, and lut Olsen, I mean, that's the

577
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: type of guy you want to spoon you if you're

578
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: a player. Right, we just keep going and it doesn't

579
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: matter as long as he's spoon in there, yeah, lout.

580
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: So we just get him to play along. I think

581
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: we could hit easily three five, and we could hit

582
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: four four easy. I mean, we can go four or five.

583
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: Is that he's a classy he's a classy individual. He's in,

584
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: he's in. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right,

585
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: we're going to four or five. Four or five is high,

586
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: but I think we could do it. Let's get four

587
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: or five five. And by the way, if he compliments

588
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: without us prodding him, that still counts. All right. Good, Uh,

589
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: all right. We're gonna be back with Shane Battier right

590
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: after this. But before we do that, let's take a

591
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: quick break. Let's take a break. Welcome, mister handsome Shane Battier.

592
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: How you doing. I'm slipping the dream man. I appreciate that.

593
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: I don't get that to you often anymore. Man, Thank you?

594
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: What do you mean too often? You probably hear it

595
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: all day. You got a smile of a million dollars.

596
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: I have one question though, Yeah, do you have a

597
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: full head of hair? And you and you bick it

598
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: because it looks like you have a full head of

599
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: hair and you like that. That means you're even more

600
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: handsome if you just bick it for fun. You know

601
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: what's funny. You know, I got crushed in college. It's

602
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: had a super low hairline, and so, like you know,

603
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: it was before Instagram and all that stuff, and so

604
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: I would have been a meme of like super super

605
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: low forehead. So at this point now it's receding, you know,

606
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: it's running away from my eyebrows, and so it's actually

607
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: normal now at age forty four. Wow, man, man, well

608
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: that's so manly though, that your hairline was too low.

609
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: Fuck the haters. That's awesome. Yeah, who has a too

610
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: low hairline? You too? But I think it's cool man.

611
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: It's like your defense, your your hair's all over the

612
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: body too. Man. I love it. Man, It's perfect. Oh man,

613
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: well you know, like look, I started cutting around hair

614
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: in the seventh grade because I was tired of waiting

615
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: in line with the barbership. So I'm a man who's

616
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: about efficiency, and it was easier for me just cut

617
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: in the mirror. I love it, and you could tell

618
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: by the way he played. But before we start, we

619
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: got to run through some of these accolades. His numbers

620
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: hanging in the rafters in North Carolina at Duke uh

621
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: and McDonald's All American, mister Basketball in the state of Michigan,

622
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: an All American elite defender. We already named off in

623
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: the pre tape. All your awards, I can't even I mean,

624
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: there's so many awards that we can't get through. Your time,

625
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: NBA Champion, a Blue Devil great and of course two

626
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: thousand and one National Champion. That's the game where talking

627
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: about here today. Uh, take us back to the year

628
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: two thousand. You're in Durham, North Carolina. What was what

629
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: was young Shane Battier? Like? I was very serious, very

630
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: very serious. I was always very very disciplined, and I

631
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: had one goal. I was going to make the NBA.

632
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: I was. I burned the ships. I was making the

633
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: NBA come hell or high water. And my freshman year

634
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: at Duke, I roomed with Elton brand first pick of

635
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: the draft, William Avery played it for years in the NBA,

636
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I'll never forget going into Coach

637
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: K's office about three weeks into school and I said, Coach,

638
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: I can't live with these guys, you know, any of

639
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: my sleep. You know, I'll get my school work done.

640
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: You know. I was a bit of a square. And

641
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: so Coach K said, you know, just relax and have fun.

642
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: And so, you know, luckily I had a great time

643
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: with Elton and will that for the rest of the

644
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: freshman year. I loosened up and learned to live a

645
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: little bit. But I was very serious, very driven, and

646
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was there to make the NBA and

647
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: I didn't care about any other details. Should do they

648
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: try to get you to party? Yes? I had fun.

649
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: I had fun. For me, I was, I was having fun,

650
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, but again I was, I was. I was.

651
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: It was a mission. It was a mission trip for me.

652
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: What wasn't a party time? How do they ease in

653
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: a Shane battier in a drinking Is it like beer

654
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: palm because you're like, well, at least it's competitive, Like

655
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: what's what's the move? You know what, I didn't drink

656
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: until my senior year in college. I was I was,

657
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: I was. I was psycho. I was a super super psycho.

658
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: And you know, my wife of twenty years now, we

659
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: did in high school. She actually dumped me for the

660
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: quarterback because he was fun and he would want to

661
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: go and go to parties and I would I need

662
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: my arrest, I needed to go to the gym. So

663
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, she can't back around. They all come back around,

664
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: and and now now on the life of the party.

665
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: Glue guy, straight, glue guy. That's the competitor in him.

666
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm down for the COUMP, but I'll

667
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: get her. I'll get her back. I'll get her back. Dude.

668
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: All they all come back. You know sometimes you gotta

669
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: let him, you gotta you gotta let a bird fly.

670
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: You gotta let a bird fly. And then when they

671
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: come back, you know, you know. So take us back

672
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: to the preseason. You guys are ranked two overall or

673
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: your preseason AP two ranking, Like, did you guys have

674
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: this feeling in your guys' locker room that we have

675
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: a shot here, Like if we do things right. We

676
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: taken the coaching, we stayed disciplined, we we take care

677
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: of the little things. We're gonna have We're gonna have

678
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: a run. Did you have those thoughts going in and

679
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: how did it go? Man, if you didn't have those

680
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: thoughts when you signed up for Duke, you're in the wrong,

681
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: especially this time. Yeah, that was the expectation. Yeah, we

682
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: stup on campus. Yeah, we're winning the championship this year,

683
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: and so we have to go back to two thousand. Okay,

684
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: so this was a little different time at Duke. We

685
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: had just lost the national championship to the University of

686
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: Connecticut Wilton Klide Lamine got upset in the finals, like

687
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: a ten point favorite lost that game. Really good Duke

688
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: kind of team. Well that summer. That was the first

689
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: time the Duke ever lost players to the draft. Okay,

690
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: so Elton Brand sophomore number one pick, Cordy mcgetty, freshman

691
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: thirteenth pick, Well Avery sophomore, fourteenth pick, Trajan Langdon and

692
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: so everyone said, like Duke's dead. They're dead because they'd

693
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: never seen people leave Duke early right, and so all

694
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: that was left were a bunch of freshmen who were

695
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: coming in, Mike Dunleavy, Jason Williams, Carlos Boozer, those guys

696
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: are young freshmen. And then three holdovers Chris Carrowell, Nate

697
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: James and Battier, you know, and all the Duke caters

698
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: were like, batty a bat Battier is going to replace

699
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: Elton Brand like no, I'll figure away, no way. And

700
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: so we had a very young team in two thousand

701
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: and A great story that you know that sort of

702
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: sums up my relationship with Coach K. That year, I

703
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: was interning in Chicago at a public relations firm. Coach

704
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: K calls me out of the blue. I think he

705
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: sensed that I had some apple tension about being the

706
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: guy for Duke, and he said, you know, hey, Shane,

707
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I was work going going great. I have a question

708
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: for you. Do you wake up thinking about being the

709
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: ACC player of the Year, winning the a SEC title,

710
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: leading this back number one seed next year. I sort

711
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: of laugh and Coach click, dude hangs up on me,

712
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: just hangs up on me. So calls back the next

713
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: day and says, you know, sorry about that. Shane, you know,

714
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: but I was a very serious question. You go to

715
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: work today thinking you are the national player of the year,

716
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: You're going to lead us back to the final four.

717
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: I sort of laugh. Coach click hangs up on me.

718
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: Third day, calls back and says, hey, Shane, I'm sorry

719
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: about that, but I have a serious question. You're ready

720
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: to be the national player of the year, national defensive

721
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: player of the year, lead us back to the final

722
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: four and finished the job and win the national championship.

723
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: I go Coach absolutely, yes, I'm your guy. You can

724
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: count on me. And he said, look, look, we can't

725
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: be that team unless you are that guy for us.

726
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: And you can't be that guy until you believe you're

727
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: that guy. And I never had anyone talk to me

728
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: like that ever, but it speaks to the coach K's

729
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: leadership and you know, his belief in his players, and

730
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: he really believed that I had to believe that I

731
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: was that guy, and from that moment, with the switches

732
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: that I got, I gotta think like that. And so

733
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: that two thousand and one, sorry, that two thousand year.

734
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: It was a great year. No one expected much of us.

735
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: We won the ACC finished number one of the country

736
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: lost to Florida in the tournament that year that lost

737
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: eventually to the champions Michigan State in the finals with

738
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: Team Cleeves. But we said, oh, yeah, next year, it's

739
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: our year. And so we came back in two thousand

740
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: and one. A you're older, you're better, you're stronger, and

741
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: we said, yeah, this is this is our time. Wow.

742
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: So coach K ultimate motivator. I mean you expect that.

743
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: What other tactics did he use throughout your career that

744
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: you remember? You know, Coach K. I tell people. People

745
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: always say, like, Al, he's coach K so great. He

746
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: obsesses about his people. You know, Jewels maybe you know

747
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: Belichick is like this where all he thinks about is

748
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: his team. He doesn't have any hobbies, He's not distracted.

749
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: All he thinks about is what do I need for

750
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: my team? What do my guys need to be be

751
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: their best? And so like to a point now where

752
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: like even when he was coaching, like we never called

753
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: him and during the season because he was so focused

754
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: on his team, like he never saw me play one

755
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: NBA game because he was so focused on his team.

756
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: And with that, he just knew what each guy needed.

757
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: And so like when you recruited me. You know, in

758
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: high school, I could have gone anywhere I wanted to,

759
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: and I had coaches promised me playing time, minute shots,

760
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: you know all that stuff. Coach k comes into my

761
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: living room and says, look, sham, I'm not gonna promise

762
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: you shots, minutes, playing time. I'll promise you one thing,

763
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity to earn playing time every single day. And

764
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: if you're good enough, you'll you'll learn it. You know,

765
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking around like you're talking to me. You know,

766
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't know about you know, bringing Elton Brand or

767
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: Sean McCloud, Frage Langa. But when the dust settles, I'm

768
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: gonna be there. And Coach k knew like my button

769
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: was like was ultimate competition. That's all I cared about

770
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: improving myself against everybody else. And you know, for teammates,

771
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: other teammates, they need to kick kick in the ass

772
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: every single day. They got to kick in the ass

773
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: every every single day. I'm not going to name names.

774
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, other guys needed more hugs, and they got hugs.

775
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: But Coach K just was a master motivator because he

776
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: knew his players, his teams better than any of their

777
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: coach in America. It's I love the idea of him

778
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: just pissing you off and you you looking in the

779
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: mirror like the nero and taxi driver, like he's talking

780
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: to me. You're talking to me, Shane Battier, you know

781
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: what was weird to we We watched this game and

782
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: it was weird to see your duke. But it's like

783
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: you talk about people kind of sleeping on do gol

784
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden. I mean, they're saying this isn't the

785
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 1: most talented team, and I'm like, there's like five NBA

786
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: players on this team. Did you did you feel that disrespect? No,

787
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: we had a squad. We had a squad. We knew it,

788
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: We knew we had pros. But when you have a

789
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: team that's at that level and your goals go to

790
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: the mountaintop, you just think differently about who you are.

791
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like we were like arrogant. We had

792
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: We had a cockiness about ourselves that you know, yeah,

793
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: we are one of the best. We think we are

794
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: the best. And every time we walked into an arena,

795
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: we know there were twenty thousand people that hated us,

796
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: and there was nothing better, nothing better walking into Colefield

797
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: House or the Dean Dome and seeing everybody leave about

798
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: seven minutes left. That was our goal. Let's get these

799
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: guys out of the out of the gym. Let's make

800
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: them be traffic. And you know, four years we were

801
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three and fifteen, which was a

802
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: record when I graduated. And so we won a lot

803
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: of games, brought a lot of points, and so I

804
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: don't think we were ever slept on. We knew that

805
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: every time the schedule came out, teams would go when

806
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: did we play Duke? That was always the biggest game

807
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: of the year. And so whether we're playing North Carolina

808
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: A and T or High Point or Carolina, they're you know,

809
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: going through the schedule circling that. You know that that

810
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: game in red and red marker because that was the

811
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: game of the year. And so you know, Julian, you know,

812
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: as a Super Bowl champion, you're getting everybody's best shot

813
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: every single night. They call that a measuring stick team.

814
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: You're the measuring stick team. Everyone circles you. You're the target.

815
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: You're America's most wanted and you get every year, every

816
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: week it's everyone's super bullet or everyone's national championship. So

817
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: it's it's hard when you're the target and you guys

818
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: have been the target for all you target your whole career. There,

819
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they're still targets, you know that, Duke, just

820
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: that tradition of what it is, you know, and with you,

821
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: you like you. I heard somewhere that you loved Grant

822
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: Hill and he was a huge reason you you committed

823
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: to Duke? Is that true? And why why did you love?

824
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: Why did you love Grant Hill? Which I used to love,

825
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: grand Dude. Grant was the nineties basket. I still think

826
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: of that Pippin crossover, remember that, I mean the dunk

827
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: on Pippin. I mean, he was he had it all.

828
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, you know funny the funny thing

829
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: about you know, I grew up in Michigan, you know,

830
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: huge University of Michigan fan. I love the Fab Five,

831
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: love the Pistons. I hated Dude, true story, I hated Duke.

832
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: You know. I was sharing for UNLV when they were

833
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: playing them in ninety ninety one, you know, ninety two,

834
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like Duke late, I couldn't stand on at Hurley.

835
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: I like Grant Hill. Grant Hill was different. And when

836
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: he led Duke to the national championship in ninety four,

837
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: he was my favorite player, and I said, I want

838
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: to be that guy. You know. Luckily he got drafted

839
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: by Detroit Pistons. And I used to be actually a

840
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: ball boy for the Detroit Pistons and used to you know,

841
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: wipe up a sweat and make them power at shakes

842
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: and you know, full towels and get to watch Grant

843
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Hill practice every single day. And for me, like he

844
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: was my hero. He was like a superhero and I

845
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: saw like you could win, you could be classy, you

846
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: could be tough. So he's always been my role model.

847
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: So I still think it's cool to have his phone

848
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: number on my phone. Yeah I love that. Yeah, that's

849
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: that's pretty damn cool that you were. You were a

850
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: ball boy and now I'm sure you've told him that story,

851
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I got to live my dream. Crazy,

852
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: So Arizona. This team is stacked. I mean this is

853
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: another team. I mean like Agent zero is on this team, Jefferson,

854
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean, how good were you intimidated by how good

855
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: this team was? Ever? We you ever? Like that's a

856
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean nobody ill in his eyes, He's not, but

857
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: you can answer the question no, like they had pros too.

858
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: You know you always respect team with pros, right, and

859
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: we knew they were really, really good, and you know

860
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: obviously Hall of Fame coach and loud Olsen. But look

861
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: that final four was was crazy because you have to

862
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: talk about the Maryland game before. So we played the

863
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: University of Maryland is our fourth time playing in that year.

864
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: You know, you don't play teams four times, much less

865
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: national contending teams like Maryland. We played four times. The

866
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: first time was the miracle minute, you know, down ten

867
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: points fifty five seconds left in Coldfield House, come back

868
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: Miracolois finished. We beat them in overtime. Right season finale

869
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: in Cameron my senior night, we lose. They come in

870
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: and beat us all. We lose our center, Carlos Boozer,

871
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, to a broken foot. We think we might

872
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: be done. We see them in the Atlanta and in

873
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: the ACC championship game and it was a Nate James

874
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: senior captain tippin at the buzzer that they won it.

875
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: So like three like epic knockdown, drag out brawls with

876
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, arguably a top three or four team in

877
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: the country, and then we play them in the Final

878
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: four and we're now twenty two points in the first

879
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: half to them, and we're kicking our ass, kicking our

880
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: ass a national TV. We're embarrassed. We're like, oh my gosh,

881
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: we're laying the biggest egg. And Coach k you know,

882
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: call timeouse Like, guys, we can't play any worse. So

883
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: whether we lose by fifty or lose by two doesn't

884
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: matter with the Funnel four, just go out and let

885
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: it fly, have fun. So we come back win that game.

886
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: I double digits crazy. So after that game, we're like,

887
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: we're team of destiny, you know, so I don't care

888
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: who we're playing. We could have played you know, Jordan

889
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: Bowles and said we are a team of destiny. This

890
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: is this is our time. But we had we had

891
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: to make it happen. Geez, I got a quick off topic.

892
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: Do you have you ever seen Coach k die his hair?

893
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: Did you or you ever find his black dye? Did he? Yeah? No,

894
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: everyone thinks that it's it's natural man, those last jeans man,

895
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know how to explain it.

896
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: But great hair, amazing, Jesus's amazing. Let start let's get

897
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: into the game. So Arizona starts hot six of eight

898
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: in the or six of eight in the first five minutes,

899
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: you guys get in a little foul trouble. What's the

900
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: mindset going in with some of this adverse situation early

901
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: on in the game. Yeah, yeah, I think one of

902
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: the one of the hallmarks of our teams was we

903
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: never really panicked. We had so much talent and we

904
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: knew we deserve to be there, and so we were

905
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: not hitting shots or early it's hard to shooting the

906
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: dome or in the Metrodome in Minneapolis depth first section,

907
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: the depth, Yeah, it's just weird. You just feel like

908
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: you're you're you're, you're like in this huge space and

909
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: the rim seems just like it's floating out there, and

910
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: so the depth perception is a little strange. And a

911
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: dome like that you never never practiced. Arizona was really good,

912
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: and so we just knew, like once we settled down

913
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: and we'll get back in the game. Jay, will you

914
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: know who is the best guard in the country that year?

915
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: Wasn't even close. You know, got into poul of trouble.

916
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: He was he was struggling, but we stayed in it.

917
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: We didn't panic, and we just knew like, okay, we've

918
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: got the halftime. We're not playing the best ball, our

919
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: best balls ahead of us. Still, Yeah, And I mean

920
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: you had the tough task here of guarding Lauren Woods,

921
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: who's such a long player. I mean, you're an elite defender,

922
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: but this guy is putting up numbers on you. Is

923
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: there any point where you're like, fuck this guy? What

924
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: do I do with this guy? There? Seven to one?

925
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'm six safe, two fifteen. So in college

926
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different. You really can't get physical

927
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: in the NBA. You can use forms and risks and

928
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: all that. You had to play defense like this, and

929
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: so I really couldn't do anything. I was I was

930
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: shocked that they didn't try to attack me more in

931
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: the post, because I you know, I had to carry

932
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: so much of the offensive load and try to try

933
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: to wear me down. But they startatly went away from him.

934
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: It was just kind of weird. Look, Richard Jefferson and

935
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas and Michael Wright and Jason Gardeners had really

936
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: good teams, but you know, he was a He was

937
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: a handful, and so I was a great defender of

938
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: the National Defensive Player of the Year. But you know

939
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: it's tough guarden someone who's seven to one. I can't

940
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: imagine it's like five inches, like seven six inches. Yeah,

941
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You know. Coach K is infamous for working

942
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: the refs. You know, Coach K, he's talking to the revs.

943
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: He what's he saying to him? I have no clue

944
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: what's he doing, what's his what's his what's what's his tactic?

945
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: I think he just like does he does he try

946
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: to mentor him, like you guys are great young men. No, No,

947
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: if you are court side of here, Coach K talked

948
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: to reps, you would blush any quotes you remember well enough,

949
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know you never degrade referees. But you

950
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: know he would definitely call them motherfuckers. I mean, like,

951
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, motherfuckers like it, like it was like saying

952
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: like he or she, like he just always cussed and

953
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: he was on them from the jump, and so you know,

954
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: I think after a while, refs just are like, yeah,

955
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with Coach K anymore, so

956
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to call these these crap falls.

957
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: You know. The funny thing about like playinget Duke. He's like, look, referees,

958
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: they always award the more aggressive team, and if that's

959
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: just your style of play, after a while, they're just

960
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: going to be socialized to let aggressive teams sort of

961
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: give the benefit of the doubt. Now, if you're passive

962
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: and you're begging for calls all the time, the rest,

963
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're human, they're not gonna not gonna reward you.

964
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: So our mindset was always just be the aggressor keep

965
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: the pressure on other team and you know, make make

966
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: them make plays and make the rest make calls. And

967
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: it was it was a really good formula of us.

968
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: So you know, you go into halftime, it's thirty five,

969
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: thirty three. Anything that Coach K said in the locker

970
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: room to get you hyped or we did it was

971
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: there nothing that really needed to be said. What kind

972
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: of guy was he? Was? He like attack like was he?

973
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: Because Belichick? He was more of He never raw ROGI.

974
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: He was more of like, we're gonna give you information

975
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: when what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong, and

976
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: then you guys go use that information. It was more

977
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: like business. It was what was Coach K's way of

978
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: handling the guys in the locker room. Was he a

979
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: guy that got raw raw or did he have like

980
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: a player that was the raw rock guy? And he

981
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: would use like good cop back, like what was it? Yeah,

982
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: very yeah, like he knew the situation. And there are

983
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: some games where you know, we're up five, we should

984
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: get up twelve with a half, and he comes in

985
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: and just rips us a new one and it's just

986
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, spitting and cursing and throwing chairs and we

987
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: go out and you know my twenty and the other

988
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: games where we come in very calm and say, look,

989
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: just you know, we're missing shots, we're turning them all over,

990
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: like let's let's let's just play our games. And so

991
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: that game two thousand and one, he's pretty calm. Actually,

992
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: he's like, look, we have not play our best game.

993
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's a very good team. Respect them, but

994
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have to do anything different than

995
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: what Duke does, but we have to be the best

996
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: version of ourselves for twenty minutes. And so like he

997
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: had a way of just giving us confidence and the

998
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: way he talked to us, we never had to like

999
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: do something outside of like what we did the entire

1000
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: year or who we were as a team. It was

1001
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: a really really interesting unique skill respect. It's crazy how

1002
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: like great leaders are because that, you know, that's when

1003
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: you guys were flying hi, he cut you down. When

1004
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: you guys were down low, he would, you know, fuel

1005
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: you guys. And I always remembered that with Belichick the

1006
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: same way. Like we went out and blew out the

1007
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans by thirty five in a snowstorm one time,

1008
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: and we get into the team meeting on Monday and

1009
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: he throws on these low lights and he goes, you mean,

1010
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: like we miss a fucking wide route or something like

1011
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: an easy routine play. We just blew this team out

1012
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: by thirty five points, and he's motherfucking me and Brady

1013
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: for not connecting on a garbage time fucking play, like

1014
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: because we were flying high, we were feeling it, you

1015
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Then there's another time where we

1016
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: lose a game and we just didn't have a good week,

1017
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: and he would come in and he knew where our

1018
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: spirits were. That's the That's how you know there's a

1019
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: good leader. They know where the spirits are. And he

1020
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, we're all expecting, like, oh, he's gonna fucking

1021
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: murder us for this, and he didn't. You know, he

1022
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: handled it differently because we needed that love. We needed that,

1023
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, we needed that confidence. We were not We

1024
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: weren't confident at the time. So that's that's awesome to hear,

1025
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's yeah, And that's what coach k sounds like.

1026
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: He is man. He's leader of men. Yes, yes, we

1027
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: never felt we could fail ever, you know, and so

1028
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like military mindset or whatever,

1029
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: but we always felt we did our job, didn't matter

1030
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: who we played. We had a great shot of money.

1031
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: So you come out of the locker room at halftime,

1032
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: Mike Dunlevy starts just becoming a flamethrower. Just three straight

1033
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: threes in a row. Uh, you know, you guys get hot.

1034
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: I've heard Richard Jefferson is blamed by Gilbert Arenas. What

1035
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: do you make of this? Is this? What do you

1036
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: make of Arenas blaming RJ for this Arizona loss? Who

1037
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: do you have won? Regardless if RJ got hot? I

1038
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: think it's hilarious. I love it. I love it. I

1039
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: love hearing those guys bicker. You know, look, Mike, he

1040
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: got hot, Mike d he was Mike be my best

1041
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: friend in the entire world. It's still to this day.

1042
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: And so he was so bad, like during that run

1043
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: he couldn't he couldn't do ship and but like we

1044
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: never lost faith in I mean, he was our guy,

1045
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: and uh it was just one of those things he

1046
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: hit won and then you can see just you know

1047
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: him Jones and for the for the ball, and uh,

1048
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: you know we found him two more times and that

1049
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: was the game. That was the game, you know, you

1050
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: just you know, those those single plays that happened in

1051
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: the game that the turn of the tide now to

1052
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: play for us. But like, look, it wasn't Richard Jefferson's fault.

1053
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think I was his fault, you know,

1054
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: like I think we had something to do with it too. Well,

1055
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: you had those clutch you had to put back dunky tip.

1056
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean you kind of just closed that thing out.

1057
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: I must have felt pretty crazy, right, yeah, it was crazy,

1058
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: like I, you know, obviously not super athletic, and those

1059
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: plays at the end of the game, like I didn't

1060
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot the bault by that game at all.

1061
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: And so I tried to come out and second halfen

1062
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: and try to make something happen because I wasn't going

1063
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: to go out, you know, scoring ten points and and

1064
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: not just doing everything I could. And so yeah, it

1065
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: was crazy why I watched that game. I don't know

1066
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: how I got the tip in. I tipped the him

1067
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: in the back of my hand down the stretch and

1068
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: it was funny, like that that dunk I had, I

1069
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: could have stepped back for the three, and I was

1070
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: feeling the three, but like, I just never forget that feeling.

1071
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, fuck it, Like I got dunk this,

1072
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: and like I wasn't a big dunker, but like I

1073
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: was so tied. It was. It was the last minute

1074
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: of the last game. I'm like, I got I gotta

1075
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: fucking punch this, and so I'm like, I'm going for it.

1076
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: And I got the ball, took one dribble and punched

1077
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: it and I was exhausted. I don't know how it

1078
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: went in. You know, I'm glad I didn't get stuck there,

1079
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: but uh uh, you know we're so close. We're so close. Yeah,

1080
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: I would I would have died on the floor to

1081
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: win that game. Wow, is that when you knew it

1082
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: was over after that dunk, You're like, we got this.

1083
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm going back. We're going back. We got it. When

1084
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: did you feel forget that feeling? When did you feel

1085
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: you guys had it? Because you guys beaten by ten?

1086
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: There was a point where it was over. It wasn't

1087
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: until I look over and loud Olsen goes like this,

1088
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, thirty seconds I saw that.

1089
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: Why didn't they there were you guys, they were only

1090
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: down ten points. I don't understand that, Like why why

1091
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: did they quit without time outs and stuff? It's hard.

1092
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: It's hard to get it. I get it, you know,

1093
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: but but I was so like ten and I'm sitting

1094
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: there still spitting fire and cursing, and then finally looks

1095
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: like this with thirty seconds left, and I said to myself,

1096
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: oh shit, we did it. Like we did it, you know.

1097
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: And you know, Julia, I don't know about you, but

1098
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: like you never won a championship like at that level,

1099
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: Like you actually don't know what it takes to win, right.

1100
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: You think you have an idea, you talk to people,

1101
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: but like the work you put in, you actually don't know.

1102
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: Until clock at zero and you're holding that troll and

1103
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: you're like, oh shit, like that was the hardest thing

1104
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: I ever had to do in the sport, right, and

1105
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: then it becomes like totally understandable and you understand, like

1106
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: why you did all that, but it's only crystal clear

1107
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: at that precise moment. And that's what I remember in

1108
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: that last thirty seconds, like oh shit, we did it

1109
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: and that was so hard, especially I mean in championship

1110
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: games for US. I don't know how it is for basketball.

1111
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: I can only imagine because you guys are playing so

1112
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: many games so back to back. You're exhausted because the emotions,

1113
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: the mental fatigue that you have, for the focus that

1114
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: you put in, the actual physical fatigue that you have.

1115
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: Like I was always the most tired after games, and

1116
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: like you said, you didn't really know until you saw

1117
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: the handwave by Loot. Like I remember after the what

1118
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: was it sixteen, the Atlanta Falcon super Bowl where we

1119
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: were we won the game, and I didn't know if

1120
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: we won. I was still in competition mode because I

1121
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: thought they had to review it. And they're like I

1122
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: go up to Belichick. We're hug and I'm like, did

1123
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: they review the fucking play? Or we don't? Do we

1124
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: get it? Are we in? He's like, yeah, we won.

1125
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I was yelling at everyone, get

1126
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: the fuck off the field. It's not all because you know,

1127
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: you're in that competitive mindset where like you're on a mission. Yeah,

1128
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: you know that. I totally I totally get it. I

1129
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: totally get it. And you don't want to. You don't.

1130
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: You don't want to. You know, the second you celebrate

1131
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: and let up a second, you know, and give the

1132
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: teams beteam one chance, you could lose it. And that's

1133
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: like the worst nightmare of any athlete, any competitors. Shane,

1134
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: who's your all time starting five at duke five? Guys?

1135
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: You know, I guess I asked a lot. So I'm

1136
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: gonna go later, I'm gonna go Hill, I'm gonna go

1137
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: uh jj Reddick, Jason Williams and Johnny Dawkins. I'm put

1138
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: him myself. Wow, that's a that's a It's a classic. Man.

1139
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: I expect nothing less, doesn't even put himself in. He

1140
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: puts everyone else's everything's the best for the team. I

1141
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta ask you too, because you you had

1142
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: such a cool NBA career. You're on some of my

1143
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: favorite teams to watch. I mean that Rockets team with

1144
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: you know rapah Alston team ac Yeah, Scola, that was

1145
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: a cool that must have been a fun team to

1146
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: be on. I was great. It's great team. You know,

1147
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: we had a chance to win championships those years. We're

1148
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: never helped, never healthy, you know t Mac and y'ao

1149
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: to the great players of that generation. Uh, it's never

1150
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: never able to stay healthy. We had some squads. It's interesting.

1151
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: I feel like you're one of the guys that changed

1152
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: from one period of the NBA to the next, where

1153
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: now you're the type of guy that teams really seek out.

1154
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: And I think that really began in Miami when they

1155
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: saw what you brought to the table as a three

1156
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: and D guy. Now there's like you're almost the prototype,

1157
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: but they're like, we need a Shane Battier type. You

1158
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: look at guys like Michale Bridges or like, you know,

1159
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: guys who play really good D and can hit that

1160
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: open shot. I mean, do you do you feel almost

1161
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: responsible for that in some way? I don't know if responsible.

1162
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: It was born out of just need. You know, everyone said,

1163
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, Golden State invented small ball. No, Miami Heat

1164
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: invent a small ball. I know because I was small

1165
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: forward became a power forward and got the hell beat

1166
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: out of me by you know, guys fifty sixty pounds

1167
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: heavier than me. And it was in twenty and twelve.

1168
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: Chris bosh Are starting power forward, gets hurt, he goes down.

1169
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: We have no one to back him up. So Spoke

1170
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: comes to me and says, hey, Shane, we're thinking about,

1171
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, starting you power forward. I'm like, let's go. Okay,

1172
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: I's wanna play. Not a lot of guys would do that.

1173
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: You know. Look, we're in the playoff, we're going for

1174
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: a championship, so it's all hands on deck. So yeah,

1175
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you need. And so for an NBA champion,

1176
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: we probably started the worst front court in the in

1177
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: the history of the NBA. The next game, it was

1178
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: me a power forward and Dexter Pittman, who I love

1179
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: barbecue pitt at center, and Indiana beat us by twenty

1180
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: all right, we go down two to one in the

1181
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: Eastern Yeah, it was said of me, and I'm getting

1182
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: switched off with Roy Hibbert, you know, as I'm just

1183
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: sitting there trying to fight. And you know, no one

1184
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: remembers that because we win the championship that year. But

1185
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: we were down two to one to Indiana in the

1186
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: second round, and you know, we made some adjustments, but

1187
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: like we went on a run and I just was

1188
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: the small ball four and so there's like two threes,

1189
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: keep spacing and banging these guys as much as you can,

1190
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: and it paid off. And when Chris Bosh came back,

1191
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: he was the center. I was power forward and that

1192
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we had Lebron who was the ultimate

1193
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: skeleton key, but that was the dawn of small ball

1194
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: and at a super high level. And so I am

1195
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: proud of that back that they select me a power forward.

1196
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: And not only did we survive, we won a couple

1197
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: of championships. How do you win a national championship and

1198
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: then have to go to class? It was It wasn't

1199
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: very fun, did you go? We partied. I took a

1200
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: couple of days off, a couple of days off. It

1201
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: was fun. It was a big party, and yeah, just

1202
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was a rough week the next week.

1203
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: So you know, I was a religion major. You know,

1204
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to finish strong and don't want to screw

1205
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: up my my gp A. So I took a few

1206
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: days off after getting back from Minneapolis, and we had

1207
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: a very good time. You're such a well rounded human.

1208
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: I've never heard an NBA player be like, I just

1209
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: I got to graduate with honors. I just gotta yeah,

1210
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: I can, only I can. I wanted to screw it

1211
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: up in that very respect. It man, those teachers weren't

1212
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: going to give you no bad grade here. Yeah, well,

1213
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, don't give him a reason to write you were.

1214
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: You guarded so many great players, you played in such

1215
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: a tough era. Who was the toughest? I mean, I

1216
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: remember you having a lockdown prime Kobe having a face up,

1217
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: I remember your hand right in the eye on all

1218
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: those replays. Like, who is the toughest cover that you

1219
01:05:54,920 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: ever had? It was Kobe? Kobe. Kobe was was a

1220
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: a month older than me. You know, May he rest

1221
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: in peace. The greatest competitor ever played against. He and

1222
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: I had this like weird cat and mouse thing going

1223
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: every time you play, Like he would come up to

1224
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: me and be buddy buddy one day and we'd be talkative.

1225
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: Next day, he'd be ice cold, wouldn't even look at

1226
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: and he played this passive aggressive game with me that

1227
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: it was just one mind game after another, and I

1228
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: gave him nothing. I was like a stone, and so

1229
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: I didn't react to him. I didn't. I didn't look

1230
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: at him. I didn't try to talk to him. I

1231
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: tried to just be like E or you know, after

1232
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: every game, uh, you know, he missed a few shots,

1233
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: and I would, man, I can't guard Kobe like, you know,

1234
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: look a it's Kobe Bryant. Now I'm just the schluck

1235
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: he got, you know, I got lucky he missed some shots,

1236
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: knowing full well, like I had a good game plan

1237
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: against him, you know, and he had he had big

1238
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: games against me, and he had he had games for

1239
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: I thought I got the best of them. But for

1240
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: my money, it was it was competition at its highest level,

1241
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: and like that is what I miss, and that's what

1242
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: I miss. I'll never have a chance to have this

1243
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: conversation with him, to talk about the games within the game,

1244
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: within the games we play with each other at at

1245
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: the ultimate highest level of competition in the sport that

1246
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: we that we both love. Yeah, did we miss anything

1247
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: over this two thousand and one season. Yeah, I mean

1248
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: I think just we look back at a championship run,

1249
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: you just never know how close that line is. And

1250
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: that's the story, and you look back at the team

1251
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: now and you say, yeah, Jason Williams, Carlos Boozer, Mike

1252
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: fun Leavy, Battie A, Chris du Han pros. Of course

1253
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: they were gonna win. You know, we want to give

1254
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: my twenty points. You know, after Carlos gets hurt. You know,

1255
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: the next time we got North Carolina, we start, you know,

1256
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: Casey Sanders and Reggie Love who Reggie Love was a

1257
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: football player who was more known to be Obama, President

1258
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: Obama's body man, and they got to guard Brendan Haywood

1259
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: who was all all the SEC, All American player. We

1260
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: didn't know if we're going to beat them, actually beat

1261
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: them by ten uh At Carolina, we go to the

1262
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: AEC tournament, we did. We didn't know if we're gonna

1263
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: win one game, ended up winning the tournament. And then

1264
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: in the NA tournament, we knew we were small, we

1265
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: were we were quick, but without Carlos, we didn't know

1266
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: our chances and ended up winning the title. And so

1267
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: you know, in every great championship, what makes championship so

1268
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: great is that she just there's a point in every

1269
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: journey we just don't know, you might not make it,

1270
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: and you push through and when you finally do, you're like, man,

1271
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: that was close. That was close, and like no one knows,

1272
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: no one knows, but like the guys in the locker

1273
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: room and so like that's that's that's what's special to

1274
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: me about championships on the rings and parades and the

1275
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: parties and you know, oh that's great, but uh, it's

1276
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: it's it's testing yourself to the fullest limits and coming

1277
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: out on to the other end. Yeah, everything has to

1278
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: People don't realize a lot of things got to go

1279
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: your way with to win the ship. Because some of

1280
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: the best teams I played on we didn't win. You know,

1281
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: we didn't get we weren't healthy, we weren't playing right.

1282
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: Something happened here, a crazy call. Like there's so many

1283
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: little things that have to happen in your favor to win.

1284
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: It's not just that easy. You got to go do it.

1285
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: What's what's what's the look of Duke University without coach

1286
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: k What? What do we what should we expect? Is

1287
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: it going to go to We're gonna turn into ship?

1288
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: Or are we good? No? Look, we're in great hands

1289
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: with with with John Shire. John is he's smart, and

1290
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: he's tough and He's a killer out there, you know,

1291
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 1: you see by his recruiting class at the top recruiting

1292
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: class this year and next year and working on three

1293
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: years from now. And uh, look, you play for coach K,

1294
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: play for the best. Yeah, so he understands, you know,

1295
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: how to lead to the highest the highest level, and uh,

1296
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: you know it works. Like all the former players are

1297
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: supporting him and obviously want him to crush it and

1298
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: do well, and he is, he is. We believe in him.

1299
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: So I think we'll be all right, Well, who's gonna

1300
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: who's gonna go over and congratulate the losing team for

1301
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: their efforts now after games like and mentor them. Who's

1302
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: going to do that? Is he? Is? He on that

1303
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: same level? He's outstuding the coach K chess pat and

1304
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss that. You know after away, you know,

1305
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: shake your hand and give him a pat on the chest.

1306
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: And I know they had to piss off on the coaches.

1307
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: It was great great. So as players, we always we

1308
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: always laugh about that. So I'm sure I'm sure Shiro

1309
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: will have his own thing. Did you ever see Coach

1310
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: K go into another locker room to give his kudos

1311
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: to a team for beating you guys. Actually, yeah, yeah,

1312
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: it sounds like that, right. I love coach k Yeah,

1313
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: like a couple of times. I mean, look, we lost

1314
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: fifteen times or four years, and a couple of times,

1315
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, every time we lost, basically teams, you know,

1316
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: fans rush the floor. Yeah right, so there's not really

1317
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: time to shake hands and do all that stuff. We're

1318
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: trying to out of there and and save our hives.

1319
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: So you know, a couple of times when Coach CA

1320
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: will go over and just you know, say, hey, guys,

1321
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: you guys played a great game. You know, enjoy it.

1322
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: You guys earned it. Yeah, so he did do that.

1323
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about, you know, you're a Michigan guy,

1324
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: everything about like what if I stayed home, played for

1325
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: Michigan State and I teamed up with z Bo and

1326
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: j Rich. Funny story about that. So you know, I

1327
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: graduated high school ninety seven and tom Izzo just gotten

1328
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: the job. I love coaches, I love them, I love them.

1329
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 1: So he was fresh, he was green, literally, and he

1330
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: made the cardinal mistake man. And I tell him this

1331
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: to this day. He came intound my living room on

1332
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: my visit and said, look, we've got the best wait

1333
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: staff in the Big Tent. You know, we're gonna put

1334
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: forty pounds of muscle on you and you're gonna be

1335
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: the baddest motherfucker, baddest power forward in the Big Tent.

1336
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: And I have Dean Smith and Coach k saying no, man,

1337
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: like you're a small forward. Man, you gotta shoot threes.

1338
01:11:54,840 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm with those guys, messed up, Like

1339
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: you just said, like you shoot threes. You might might

1340
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: have had me, but no, it's a great program and

1341
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: I loved is. I just didn't want to be up

1342
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: sixty power Forward. So yeah, there it is, Tom Izzo,

1343
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: he fucked it up. You don't want players don't want

1344
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: to bang. I mean it's like even a D on

1345
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: the Lakers and he doesn't want to play the five.

1346
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: He wants to chill and shoot threes. Right, it's it's

1347
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: shortened your career. I mean that's why I retired two

1348
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: years of playing power Forward at at two hundred and

1349
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds. By the end of it, I'm like, I can't.

1350
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm too old. I can't, I can't do

1351
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: this anymore. So yeah, I get it. Yeah, I mean

1352
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: you were banging with Tim Duncan in the in the finals.

1353
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: That's not fun. No, large guys, you gotta do so.

1354
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: But you got hot in those finals. I mean that

1355
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: is that some of the best that's got to be

1356
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: your best memory in the pro is just not missing

1357
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: the three in that finals run. Well, look, you know

1358
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: again we're talking about how howin the line is? You know,

1359
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: I was a small ball power forward the entire year,

1360
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: you know, getting the heck beaten out of me every

1361
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: single night. But I shot a career best like forty

1362
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: three percent from the three, all right, So that was

1363
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: my equalizer. So those big guys wouldn't come guard me.

1364
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm banging them in the eye with a

1365
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: lot of three pointers. Gets the playoffs, and I'm exhausted.

1366
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm so beat up from banging the entire year and

1367
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: playing every single night and taking the load off Lebron.

1368
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: These guys, I can't make a shot. So I have

1369
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: like my worst shooting slump all time and of like

1370
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: any level. And at one point I'm like four for

1371
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: thirty from three. I can't make a shot, and so

1372
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: I see my playing time dwindled, windled, dwindled, dwindle, to

1373
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: the point before Game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals,

1374
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: like go to Spo. Before the game, I said, look,

1375
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: I know I've been terrible. I know, but like I'm

1376
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: built for Game seven. I'm built. This is why you

1377
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: brought me here. I don't know what I'm gonna do.

1378
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: You put me in that game. You know I'm gonna

1379
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help us win and I'm gonna do what

1380
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: I do. And so the game starts, I don't play

1381
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: in the first quarter, don't play by halftime, third quarter,

1382
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't get in fourth quarter. I never took on

1383
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: more much. So it was it was the only time

1384
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: in my entire career I had the words d mp

1385
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: CD next to my name. Did not play coach's decision right,

1386
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: And so like I'm crushed. I'm like, is this it? Am?

1387
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: I am? I over the hill? My my wash, like

1388
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: this how it ends? And I was like depressed, So,

1389
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: like you know, drank clyut a beer that night saying karaoke.

1390
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: My wife got over it, and I said, look, if

1391
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: I get my chance, i'm gonna do what I've built

1392
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: my entire career. So I don't really play it. First

1393
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: couple of games in the series against the Spurs, and

1394
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: the finals. Game four, I get in Game five, I

1395
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: bank of three in I'm like, it's a sign, it's

1396
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: a sign. Game six, I get in the game, make

1397
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 1: three threes. Game seven, I don't need to make a speech,

1398
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: but I get in the game. You know, first five

1399
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: times I touched the rock start five to five, and

1400
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: the game six for eight from three, it's for eighteen points.

1401
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: Win the championship. And in game seven, Game seven, Game seven,

1402
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals go sixty eight six grade from three,

1403
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: eighteen points and it performs no one saw coming, you know,

1404
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 1: much less me. And so it's rare in anything you

1405
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: have like the lowest point of your career or your

1406
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 1: life and whatever you're trying to do in the highest

1407
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: point in your career within two week period. And so

1408
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: I experienced that, and I'm very very proud of that run.

1409
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: And it's wort of staying in the course and being

1410
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: ready with one almost called real quick. I have heard

1411
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: you're a big karaoke guy. What's your go to song?

1412
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: I always close it down with an Oasis Don't Look

1413
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: Back in Anger, Oh great too, great album, so great

1414
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: out everybody knows it. Everybody knows that's a that's a

1415
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: ballsy one too. Geez, yeah, that's a great tune. Yeah.

1416
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: I love karaoke too. It's fun. It's fun to get

1417
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: hammered and sing into a mic. Did you not you

1418
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: didn't go? I heard you didn't go ahead and party

1419
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: after games? That was like, I don't know where that

1420
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: came from, Like, uh, you know, I think d waited

1421
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: on Jimmy Kimmel and he showed that picture of me

1422
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: at Denny's Like there was not they didn't show the

1423
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: time stamp. It was like like eight thirty in the morning.

1424
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: I went up. Everyone's like a baddier, Like he's he's

1425
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 1: a little square that he went from winning the championship

1426
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: scoring eighteen points sixty three straight to Denny's celebrate Like no, no,

1427
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: Denny's was part of that long, long evening. But no,

1428
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: I trust me, I did celebrate that night. I'm not

1429
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: that much square. I'm very serious. I'm disciplined. But that

1430
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: is the public perception that is a little misconstrued. So Denny's, yes,

1431
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: but much much later in the in the morning, we

1432
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: might we actually might give Gilbert a renus On here

1433
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: to talk about this game. You got any questions we

1434
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: should ask him? You got any inside jokes or you

1435
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: got something you're curious about. We you know, we got

1436
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: giving on a tough one and so he was an

1437
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: obol player. We were really concerned about him and he

1438
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, he he was not the Gilbert that we

1439
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: that we studied dome on up to that point. And

1440
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: so Trump thankful for Yeah, you know, I'm okay winning

1441
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: when guys have off games, I'm okay, I'm not that guy.

1442
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: I want the best shot. I want to be the one,

1443
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: just one. I was okay. We'll tell Gilbert not to

1444
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 1: look back in anger, don't. Thanks very good, Yeah, very good. Well, Shane,

1445
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Man. Is there

1446
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: anything we missed here? No? Great team, man, great team.

1447
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: It was fun to watch this because you know we're

1448
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: both thirty six. That was a huge part, you know,

1449
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: of our lives. That was going into freshman year high

1450
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: school watching these these guys play. Man. I appreciate you

1451
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: coming on all right, Thanks you all appreciate you. Thank

1452
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: you need anything, let us know? Man, he was great. Man. Yeah,

1453
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: he's exactly how I expected him to be. We got

1454
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: a few f bombs out of him, got him, got him.

1455
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: But he's just a you could tell. That's a good

1456
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: He's a glue guy. Good glue guy. He's just a leader,

1457
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: sure winner, pure does it the right way. He's got that.

1458
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: He's got like Matthew Slater vibes where he didn't drink

1459
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: because matt Matthew Slater's never drinking. And you know, like

1460
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: these guys that are very routine oriented, they're very respectful,

1461
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: like classy men that like he that's just that's what

1462
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: he is. Man. He's the dude in the movie though,

1463
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: Like if it's the Duke Sports movie, he's the dude

1464
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: that they're like, dude, just get fucked up with us

1465
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: one night and then, like lay in the movie, he

1466
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: gets ripped and they're like yes, and then he gets

1467
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: too drunk and he's like, you know, like just they

1468
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: lose him or something. So we can't find battier for

1469
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: the big game he was. He was great though, I mean,

1470
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: and that you forget how cool game that is. Yeah,

1471
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: it took me back for sure, especially all the names,

1472
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 1: like we we talked about it with him. There's a

1473
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: bunch of pros in that game. And this that's when

1474
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: Duke was really the duke, not the one had done Duke.

1475
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: They were and even the even the team that we

1476
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 1: remember most recently with the big names that you know

1477
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,839
Speaker 1: didn't win it. But you know Zion R. J. Cameron,

1478
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: that's not duke. That's not they're all one and done.

1479
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: That's one and done. I mean it was like a

1480
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 1: senior here. This is the duke. Yeah, those are that's duke.

1481
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: The new Duke is Duke. This was the duke. Yeah,

1482
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: like the like the football. No, I think he's right.

1483
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: The football is called the duke. Yeah, not just duke.

1484
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: You know what I think of his Midnight run Marducas.

1485
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:51,480
Speaker 1: Remember that movie, Charles Groden. No, oh, it's a fucking classic.

1486
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: I gotta get a movie later from you. I'm gonna

1487
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: give you a fucking I'm gonna give me some movies

1488
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: and set you up. Nice dude. Fuck, I'm gonna set

1489
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: you up. It used to be. It used to be

1490
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: like mixtapes back in the day. But now it's like

1491
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: you show someone you care with, just like movie selections. Yeah,

1492
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: remember giving someone a mixtape all the time. Yeah, I

1493
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: got it. Don't look back an anger, baby, This one's

1494
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: for you. You got yeah, I mean you still share music.

1495
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: That's a that's a you share music, but it's rare.

1496
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: I guess you do a playlist. Yeah, you do, you

1497
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: do playlists. You still do it. It's just different form,

1498
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: that's true. It's just not as cool as when you

1499
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: you're burning discs. See you take more care back in

1500
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: the day, Mob, Do you got any more Blake CD? No?

1501
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: Try to make try to make a playlist? My girl.

1502
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 1: That was Will Ferrell, meat Loaf, vibes Man, wedding crashers,

1503
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: the fucking meat Loaf. I never know what she's doing

1504
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: up there. Still still a class. I just watched it

1505
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: too tonight, two nights ago. It's on Netflix right now. Yeah.

1506
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: So I think, even though I'm a paramount plus person,

1507
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: let's settle the prop bet. How do we do? Do we?

1508
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: How many compliments do we get out of Shane Battier

1509
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: on Arizona. I only got three? He said they got

1510
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: a lot of pros. It's not kind of a pros,

1511
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: it's the fact that's not a He complimented Loudolfson said

1512
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: they were really, really good. He complimented Gil at the end.

1513
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: That's true. I'm putting us at three, so we we

1514
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: didn't hit the four and a half. Sorry, guys, it's

1515
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: tough to get that out of a competitor. Yeah, but

1516
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: he's so classy. I forgot about the bet. I was

1517
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 1: so infatuated with him having such a low hairline that

1518
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: he bicks his head. That's insane. You know, I've never

1519
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: heard of a low hairline. It's crazy. He's not even balding.

1520
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: He bicks his head. Yeah, but it looks good. He's

1521
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 1: got like a shiny head, great, great shape, Yeah, handsome,

1522
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: good smile. That's actually a form of defense. I didn't

1523
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: even think about the shiny head. Like Kobe's like, he's

1524
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: just looking at himself, like stop, you know, you can't

1525
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: do anything. You're just catching the reflection or you just yeah,

1526
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 1: you hit him with the like the thing when you

1527
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: hit your watch or something, the light. You're you blind him,

1528
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: blind him on the free throw line. Let's jump really

1529
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 1: quickly to an Arizona Wildcat great, an NBA killer Agent zero,

1530
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 1: Gilberterinez Agent zero. We got to ask you because we

1531
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: had Shane Badier on this podcast actually, and we talked

1532
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: about the Duke Arizona game. Trash straight trash bro. Yeah,

1533
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: what was what's your relation, Blake with Shane? You know

1534
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 1: you were hurt though, that game, right, you were hurt?

1535
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: I was, I was hurt. I just hate all Duke players,

1536
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: Like it's just one of those things that you just

1537
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: if they came from Duke, you just naturally just hate them.

1538
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 1: And he was on a team that that defeated us.

1539
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: He was you know, he was a great leader. You know,

1540
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: he he willed that team with his leadership. You know that,

1541
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: and the ref's helped, but you know, it was a

1542
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 1: great He was a great leader for that that dude team.

1543
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: Did Coach k come try to mentor you guys after

1544
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: you guys lost to them, because you know, he was

1545
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: known to like go into the losing teams like locker

1546
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: room and say, hey, guys, I just want to say,

1547
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: you guys had a great game, great game plan versus US,

1548
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: and you all are extraordinary young men. No, no, I

1549
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: don't think he was coming into the the Luke waltonos

1550
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: and locker room, you know, making that type of speech

1551
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: and we're back. He was was a great, great convo

1552
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: with Agent zero love Gilbert. The legacy of this game?

1553
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: What's the legacy? This was? This was like the how

1554
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: many how many national championships as Douke have five, so

1555
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: they has five, they won two after this. Who they

1556
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: won in twenty ten and twenty fifteen? Who what were

1557
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: those teams? They haven't won since then? Right twenty twenty

1558
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: ten was who was on that team? That was John

1559
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: Shire Kyle Singler, that was the one they beat. Butler.

1560
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: Remember Gordon Hayward at the buzzer Sure, and then Gordon

1561
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: Hayward thinks he could beat me at ping pong because

1562
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: so I went and trained at the facility at Celtics

1563
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,839
Speaker 1: and they got a ping pong table, an old Gordon

1564
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: Hayward and he you know, he's the champ on there.

1565
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm over here cleaning house. He brings in custom paddle.

1566
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: I'm using like standard paddle. You can't bring custom paddle.

1567
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't have custom paddle against standard paddle.

1568
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 1: It's like a different game. He's Bill Murray and Kingpin

1569
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: with a special ball special ball, and so like every time,

1570
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: like we crossed pass now, he's always like trying to

1571
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: bring up ping pong. Shit, I'm like, dudehy don't you

1572
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: let me use your paddle. Let me use your paddle

1573
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: to see how good you are? Yeah, dude, I lock

1574
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: that guy. Dude, No, he's going na I don't mess

1575
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 1: with Gordon Hayward. Dude. Play twenty fifteen was when Duke

1576
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: beat the Frank Kaminski Wisconsin Badgers. Oh who is on

1577
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,879
Speaker 1: that dude? Quinn Cook, Tias Jones, Justice Winslow, Julia okafor

1578
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: and the real heads. We'll remember Big Cat was crushed

1579
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: that game. Former guest Big Cat, he said, if we

1580
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: haven't back one, he wants to talk about that game. Wow,

1581
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean that was uh Tias Jones. They played who Wisconsin? Yeah,

1582
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: they played Wisconsin that year. Tias Jones did a big

1583
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: three on the next last night. It really pissed me off.

1584
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: I didn't Ways Jones. I wasn't watching uh the whole Knicks. Yeah.

1585
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 1: So what's the lasting image from this game for me?

1586
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 1: I think one of them is definitely Don Levy getting hot,

1587
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: battier with the put back back. We'll give it to

1588
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: it's the put back dunk. Let's give it to Shane,

1589
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: got it? What do you think it is? I know,

1590
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: the giving up at the end, giving up no time out?

1591
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: All right, no timeouts? We just Reggie Miller hit three

1592
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: threes in like ten No, fucking let's not. I mean,

1593
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: don't bring it up. Why not because that fucking game

1594
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: pissed me off. Why because he fouled Greg Anthony, That's why.

1595
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying they didn't call foul. He pushed

1596
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: Greg Anthony to the floor. He hits, Look he hit,

1597
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: he hit big shots. Oh. I hated Reggie Miller. Do

1598
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 1: you know what I My lasting image of this, of

1599
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: this interview is when he did the shooting. He did

1600
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: a shooting movement. I was like, man, he's got good wrist.

1601
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 1: You could just tell he's like a good risk. Yeah.

1602
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if those guys. I wanted to ask him,

1603
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: but we got out of it. I was like, can

1604
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: you just like make any like and you throw your

1605
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 1: shirt in the hamper, it's always in. You never miss

1606
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: when you throw fucking something in the trash beer pong,

1607
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: He's killing it. I wonder what those guys and their

1608
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: their wrist dexterity that they just can shoot everything. That's

1609
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: just I don't you know, Yeah, how cool would that

1610
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: be if you could shoot everything and just make it.

1611
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: I think he had a nice jumper. I mean, from

1612
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: three from a defensive player is absurd. Do you think

1613
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: even he says Kobe when he even into the trash

1614
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You guard Kobe, but you still he's that iconic.

1615
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: You could tell he was that was that was heavy. Yeah,

1616
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: that was a little heavy. He you know. I mean

1617
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: it's tough. Kobe is such an icon. If I'm just

1618
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 1: on like the Instagram Explore page and they're showing his

1619
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 1: package and the fadeaways and the dunks, I mean, it's

1620
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: like I get lost in a Kobe rabbit hole. I

1621
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: can't I can't resist. It was just he was such

1622
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 1: a beautiful player. That's what's on your popular page. That Yeah,

1623
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: very different from just butts. No, mine's like, uh food,

1624
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: I got a lot of food on there too, and

1625
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: the lasting image just slicing burgers and g strings. That's all. No,

1626
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a fashion I like fashion. Let's name

1627
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: this game. We got to start asking him more. Yeah

1628
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: about because the dumper with the Pence, that's a good one.

1629
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 1: That was a good one. We need to start asking

1630
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: the people the names that are in the game. I'm

1631
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: calling this the Year of the Battier because that's how

1632
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: you really remember the game. You can't just call it

1633
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: like the Year of the Duke. This is Battier senior year.

1634
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: He's he's kind of the leader. And by the way,

1635
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool that he and Don Levy are best friends. Still,

1636
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know. No, that's pretty that's pretty nice. That's

1637
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: college college man college. You're always boys with the college kids.

1638
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: They literally retired his jersey on senior night, that's true.

1639
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: We didn't even bring that up. So he he was

1640
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 1: a legend before he left. How do you go to

1641
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 1: class after? How do you go to class if you

1642
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: want to keep clearly, I've never heard I've never heard

1643
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: you hear Barkley like loudly, be like I didn't go

1644
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: to class. And then we get Shane bad Day, who

1645
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I wanted to be a star in

1646
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 1: the classroom as well. You know, three days four days

1647
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: is going to mess up the GPA. He's like, yeah,

1648
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, I was. I missed two days. If I

1649
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: would have done more, I would have got the GPA. No, dude,

1650
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 1: I went like three weeks without going to classes infect

1651
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 1: my GPA. Well, you think of athletes cheating off the

1652
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 1: smart kids, but I feel like the smart kids were

1653
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 1: cheating off Battier. I feel like he was good everywhere

1654
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: every He's a leader of men leader. You met Jack

1655
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 1: over there I see giggling. Do we need a GPA

1656
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: check around the I want to know because I remember

1657
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: cerdent athletes. I remember a Mecca Okap had like a

1658
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: three five and he got denied from Stanford and then

1659
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: but he went to Ukon and I'm like, you're the

1660
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 1: best big man in the country and you have a

1661
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: three five. Well, we didn't know his SAT score. That

1662
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: might be the pro might have been score. And you know,

1663
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Stanford being an elite school in an elite area, you know,

1664
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 1: we don't just let anyone in there. Damn we. I

1665
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm saying we. I just I think

1666
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 1: you'd be on team Stanford for this one. Dude. I

1667
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: love Stanford. Yeah, it's a cool Have you been to Stanford? Yeah? Yeah,

1668
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,440
Speaker 1: that's how crazy is that? That campus? It was the drunkest.

1669
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: The first time I got drunk was that like a

1670
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: graduation party from my sister. I remember we did a

1671
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: wine drinking contest, me and all the young kids. I

1672
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 1: was like seventh grade Stanford. We did a wine well

1673
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: there was beer and wine, and we started with beer

1674
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: and then we're like why we'd start pounding wine and

1675
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: I remember, not knowing I was drunk because I was

1676
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 1: in seventh grade until I stood up and I started

1677
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: walking and I fell flat on my face, and my

1678
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: dad witnessed the whole thing, and he had to run

1679
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: across the room and like carry me out. Wine will

1680
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: always sneak up on you. Even now. Wine is a

1681
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 1: silly drunk. That's why I love wine, dude. I went

1682
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 1: to that what is it that French lingerie or French

1683
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 1: laundry over in fucking Napa with with a soft you know,

1684
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: a soft and his wife, his wife was pregnant at

1685
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: the time, and you go to this place and like

1686
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: they don't ask you, like like how they they don't

1687
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: ask you what wine you want? They say how much

1688
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: do you want to spend? So first off, I'm sitting

1689
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: there and I have like a little crowd around him, like, uh,

1690
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a thousand bucks, you know, just

1691
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: I didn't want to. I didn't want to say like

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01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: a hundred You gotta bring Wes Welker with you, man,

1693
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: and I know. So they go and they bring in

1694
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: this w the wine, and she's pregnant. He barely drinks.

1695
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 1: So I ended up drinking like two bottles of wine.

1696
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't leave. I couldn't get up because these you know,

1697
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 1: it's like a thirteen course meal at this fucking place,

1698
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: and you get these little bites and I get up

1699
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: and literally almost fall over. So I apologize to everyone

1700
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: at French Laundry. Unbelievable service. But I could barely get

1701
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: out of that place. I was like fucking falling over

1702
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: other fucking literally tables, like almost knocked the table over.

1703
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: I love that because of that sneaky wine drunk, so sneaky.

1704
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: All right, Jack, do we forget anything? By the way

1705
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: he did just say he drank two bottles. That's not sneaky,

1706
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: that's on you. It was she was pregnant. She was pregnant.

1707
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: What he doesn't drink? What do we forget? Oh? Sneaky.

1708
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 1: A lot of GPA talk this episode. We got a

1709
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 1: text here into the games with names hotline from Angie Jules' mom.

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01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 1: What Jules is kin state GPA two point three five?

1711
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: We're getting? Was it? Yeah, ANGI remembers, I guess it

1712
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: was a quarterback. No way I was. I was higher

1713
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: than two point three four. That's been wrong, that's false,

1714
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: that's fake face. I had a three point zero for

1715
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 1: a sec for a sec like my nah. We also

1716
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: got a little tip into the hotline that Battier graduated

1717
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 1: from Detroit Country Day with a three point nine to six,

1718
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: named the school's most outstanding student his senior year. What

1719
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 1: I have And then speaking of ken State, we can't

1720
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: forget in this tournament ken State a thirteen seed upset Indiana.

1721
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: Let's go the four seed? Yeah, this is uh this

1722
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: they went to the lead eight this year. I think

1723
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 1: this is with when they had uh Antonio Gates. No,

1724
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: that was probably like ninety do we have we have

1725
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 1: low ki. We're a basketball school at Kent. We would

1726
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: always Antonio Gates could hoop, right, he didn't play football,

1727
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: he played basketball. He led him to the lead eight.

1728
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: What an athlete that guy is. Stud We always had

1729
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: really good He's where do you rank him tight ends ever?

1730
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably top five. He's got to be eight.

1731
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 1: He's got to be top five. It was route running ability.

1732
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 1: He was unreal great for a long time. That offense

1733
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 1: was on an LT and Gates Gates rivers. But the

1734
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 1: Chargers are the same Chargers. I mean, all right, get it,

1735
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: it's the same. It feels like the same team of

1736
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: those years. Right now, they got a lot of stars. Yeah,

1737
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: you're right, and they see the great QB though Herbert

1738
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:15,759
Speaker 1: very good, Yeah, he's very good. But what are we doing, Staley?

1739
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: Why do we have to go for it on fourth

1740
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 1: down all the time. It's making me want to pull

1741
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: my goddamn hair out every time I see these people

1742
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: go for fourth down on your on your own thirty five?

1743
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,759
Speaker 1: We get dude, you just pay j C. Jackson, bowtload

1744
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: of money. You got Abosa, you got Derwin James, Like,

1745
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: why are we why are we going? All right? We

1746
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: trust our deef. No, just get points. Not only that,

1747
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,679
Speaker 1: but what are they doing in La? What? San Diego

1748
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: is a great city. Let him have a fucking team.

1749
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: I know they got the Padres, that's it. And who knows?

1750
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 1: So they fucking leave to La too. I give him

1751
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 1: a stadium. They gotta get a stadium. They should have

1752
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 1: got in a stadium. San Diego deserves the team. I

1753
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,679
Speaker 1: think the LA Clippers should be the San Diego Clippers.

1754
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: Give him their own identity. I wo kind of tight.

1755
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: That would be tight. Also quiet some San Diego make

1756
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: it happen. He'll show up on time to practice. Bill Walton,

1757
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: San Diego, My guy, you got you love? Bill Waltin

1758
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: did I almost asked him, did you see the Olsen Twins?

1759
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 1: I was gonna use I was gonna recycle your bring

1760
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: it back, dude, let's get recycle. Let's score the game.

1761
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 1: What do you think? Oh you got more? Oh more correct?

1762
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: Oh we got more cres. Go ahead. This was also

1763
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 1: the first time the tournament featured sixty five teams. Northwestern

1764
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: State beatware what it used to be playing game sixty two,

1765
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 1: I believe. Oh they had their sixty four sixty four. Sorry.

1766
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 1: Uh so they had the what they call the opening

1767
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 1: round game. Yeah, it's like baseball doing that whole thing. Yeah, weird.

1768
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 1: We also got what else? We got? Bobby Knight talk

1769
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: a lot of Bobby Knight talk. Early. Haven't really seen

1770
01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Bobby Knight since twenty seventeen when he was being investigator

1771
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: by the FBI and the US Army for doping for women. Oh,

1772
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:09,919
Speaker 1: they worked at the National Geo Spatial Intelligence Agency. Yeah,

1773
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 1: self love. Yes, I haven't seen old Bobby Knight or

1774
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: that sweater since old Robert Robert Knight. Something. You see

1775
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 1: a guy with a flashy sweater, they're going to be

1776
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: investigated for sex crimes. Yes, that's the Cosby joke. It's

1777
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: a little above me. Sometimes your jokes are too smart.

1778
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 1: I've not been accused of that often. How do we

1779
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 1: score this game? Uh, steaks, gotta go high. It's it's

1780
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 1: the championship game. Naddy, it's natty, it's a nine nine two.

1781
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 1: What do you think I'll go nine nine star because

1782
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:52,600
Speaker 1: star power is huge, too huge, I mean it's not

1783
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't go too high because we've done

1784
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,719
Speaker 1: super Bowls here, We've done you know. Yeah, we can't

1785
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 1: go too high because, yes, there's a lot of pros.

1786
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 1: But are there a lot of Hall of Fame None?

1787
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So what are we going at? Seven? Eight?

1788
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,759
Speaker 1: About seven eight? That respect? I don't want to disrespect

1789
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: because they are for college. You have to put in

1790
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: the scope of a college game, right, Coach k Lotoles, Oh,

1791
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: coach k go eight one eight one. That's eight one gameplay.

1792
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: It's a good game until the end. I'd say, so

1793
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta give it respect. I go eight

1794
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: one again? Maybe, yeah, definitely closer than a ten point

1795
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: game the actual game. Yeah, exactly, I mean, it's that's

1796
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: what I mean. The score doesn't tell the story here

1797
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 1: it's go eight one the name, I mean, we got

1798
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 1: to go like five here maybe four lower four three

1799
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: four three five the year of battier. We love you,

1800
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 1: we love your shame. But it's just you know, it's

1801
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: just not it doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't. You know what,

1802
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: let's give four four three five is disrespectful. He was

1803
01:37:55,360 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: a great guest, great guest, outstanding gentlemen, leader of men

1804
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: seven three is. I mean, that's I think that's fair.

1805
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: It is, you know it. It was a good game.

1806
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. It brought me back memory memory lane.

1807
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: We never talked about what we were doing in two

1808
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 1: thousand and one. We fucked that up in the pregame. Huh, yeah,

1809
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: that's all right. I love it. It wasn't that. It

1810
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 1: wasn't that interesting for me at fifteen probably two thousand. Yeah. Well,

1811
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: follow Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok at.

1812
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:39,640
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1813
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1814
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 1: Leave a comment because we're looking for I'm looking for

1815
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: I see all those comments in there. Who's what was

1816
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 1: that one comment about it was rigged? The Super Bowl

1817
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: twenty eight to three was rigged and you could see

1818
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 1: it all over me and and he's face sorry about

1819
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 1: writing that one, dude, Yeah, that is a great com

1820
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: The game is rigged. Eight of three truthers out there?

1821
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: What the hell? Yeah, I mean, look, I get it's

1822
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 1: hard to be a Falcons fan, but it is. I mean,

1823
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: that's like, that's like football quanon right there. That's brutal. Yeah,

1824
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: people can't handle the pressure. She sure is. Fuckod dude.

1825
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: It's either makes it either busts pipes or it makes

1826
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: a diamond. That's what pressure does. My dad told me.

1827
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 1: Once you know what's on pressure, you know what it does.

1828
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: Either burst your damn pipe or it makes a diamond.

1829
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: Like do we have burst pipes or something on that note,

1830
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:50,919
Speaker 1: that's all for this episode of Games with Names presented

1831
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 1: by win Bet. Thanks so much for listening, and thanks

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01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,879
Speaker 1: to our sponsors and of course the great Shane Badier

1833
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 1: and Gilbert Arenas Agent zero. Thanks for dropping in. Man.

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01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm Samuel, and I'm Samuel. No, I'm Julian Edelman, and

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01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: we'll see you next time. M m m m m

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Speaker 1: hm