1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Ron and Nannian. He's the kind of guy that walks 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: into a room when you've got a fire going, and 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: he'll tell you, hey, the fireplace needs to be cleaned 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: because there's just a little bit of smoke in the room. 5 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: And he'll be the one guy that notices that, where 6 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: most people will just say that's normal, it's a fire. 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Every time I got the Car Doctor, I don't know 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: why they do it, but every snowplow guy I've ever 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: seen also ties into that ground for the snow plow, 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: and sometimes they don't exactly tighten it. Welcome to the 11 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: radio home of Ron and Anian the Car Doctor, since 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: this is where car owners the world overturned to for 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five six and now 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: he running. Hey, it's time to start your engines. Lore 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: and welcome a car doctor here at a zero zero 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: here to take your calls and answer your questions. 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UM lot going on 30 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: this hour. As always, we're gonna be giving away this 31 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: hour for sure, a super Chips Dash Pack plus from 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: the folks over at Superchips superchips dot com. It is 33 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: a custom tuner electronic tuner. It does all sorts of 34 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: tuning and modifying. You can tune everything from late model 35 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: muscle cars to your Chevy truck, to your Ford truck 36 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: to your so on and so forth. It's um it's 37 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: a great tuning device. We're giving away one of those 38 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: this hour. Decision of the judges Mikey and Tom our 39 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: final is final, whatever the case might be, so you 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: can look forward to that. But right now, let's kick 41 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: the garage door was open, and let's go over and 42 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 1: talk to Michael in Illinois, Chevy with a crank no start. Michael, 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: You're not on the side of the road and you're stuck, 44 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: are you? I mean, this is in your driveway. It's 45 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: a crank no start, right, Michael, Michael, Yes, yes, sir? 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: Are you there? Yeah? I can hear me, Yes, sir, 47 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: Now I can. Mikey, Mikey here had a he got excited. 48 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: He had a piece of cake for lunch, and it 49 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: was just he was He's a chocolate cake fanatic and 50 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: he just you know, he just he was overloaded by all. 51 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: I gotta push a button. What am I paying you 52 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: guys in there for? Um? Uh, You're not stuck on 53 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: the side of the road, right, this is in your 54 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: driveway where I assume it's a crank no start. Yeah, 55 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: tell me about it. What's going on? Yeah? So it 56 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: started a couple of months ago. Um, it would start fine, 57 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: unless it was raining out or it had been raining 58 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: earlier in that day. That would not start for anything. Um. 59 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: But on the next Driday it would start right up. Um. 60 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Then it gets started giving me more and more trouble. 61 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: And then one day it through a P zero three 62 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: at me. So I researched out a little bit replaced 63 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: the distributor, the cap, the rotor, ignition coil, all the plugs, 64 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: all the players, put any battery in it. After I 65 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: did all that, it started right up, just fine. I 66 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: was wanted it for probably a half hour. Idled it, 67 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: read it up, drove it around town. It was it 68 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: was perfect, and then I haven't been able to get 69 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: it started down. Um. Now sometimes when I try to 70 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: start it, um, because it sounds like it just almost 71 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: wants to turn over, but it's just not. But occasionally 72 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: it'll sound like the engine stops rotating for just a 73 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: second and then it starts rotating right back up again. 74 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's it'll crank and then all of 75 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: a sudden, it just like you release the key and 76 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: then it continues to crank. Yeah, and you obviously you 77 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: don't let off the key. You you you're you're right 78 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: there with it in a sense. Yeah. I just keep 79 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: going and it will only be about a second and 80 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: then a little starts spinning again, like normally do you 81 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: do you have access to a scan tool? Mike, Yes, 82 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: I have one of those little cheap ones off the Amazon. Um. Yeah, 83 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: and you're saying it's it brought you up at P 84 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: zero three hundred right now, are there any fold codes 85 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: in it? Um? There are not now. No, the P 86 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: zero three hundred went away. Um. And then I scanned 87 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: it for codes again when it was running in that 88 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: one time I got it to run, and it's right 89 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: now not throwing any code to that. Man. You got 90 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: a fuel pressure gauge, I do. Yeah, I hooked that up. Um, 91 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: it's given me sixty two p s I initially, and 92 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: then after a couple of seconds it drops down to 93 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: about forty five. And then it holds that for fifteen minutes, 94 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Uh probably, I mean I've only I've only 95 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: left the key on in that position. It was maybe 96 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: five minutes, but it held steady there. Well, well, no, 97 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: you should be able to, you know, hook the gauge up, 98 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: turn the key on without even cranking it, and there 99 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: should be a prime from the pump. It should prime 100 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: the rail, all right, Yeah I can't hear that. Yeah, okay, 101 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: and then and then the pump will stop and it 102 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: should hold what we call residual fuel pressure across the rail. 103 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: You know, there's an argument in the industry here from 104 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: time to time. Some guys say twenty four hours. Some 105 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: guys say eight hours. Ron says twenty minutes. Twenty minutes 106 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: is close enough. Of course, she was and hand grenades 107 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: and I and I say that for a pile of reasons. 108 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into here, but you know, twenty 109 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: minutes to a half hour you should see some form 110 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: of residual pressure. It should hold it for at least 111 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Especially on an older vehicle. You know, the 112 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: concern becomes, what are you gonna start chasing? Uh, you 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: don't want to chase too much. If if you turn 114 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: the key off and pressure drops like a stone, then 115 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: we've got a fuel problem in that. And this this 116 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: should be Is this a three fifty? Is this the 117 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: three fifty five point seven lead our motor? Yeah? Okay, 118 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: so and this has that, this has the spider web 119 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: under the intake planum and they're prone to leaving sticking 120 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: one of the poppets open such that it will cause 121 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: a drop in fuel pressure. And I'm just trying to 122 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: be as exact as I can because I'm thinking about 123 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: your's it cranks funny comment, you know, is it? Do 124 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: I have it? Do I have a poppet valve filling 125 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: a cylinder with fuel that it goes into a mild 126 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: case of hydrostatic lock. Right, can't compress liquid? Yeah? All right, 127 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: so you know, I want to know what residual fuel 128 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: pressure does next, what's going on with spark? Don't assume 129 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: because everything is new or most of this is. No, 130 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: it still has spark. You know now that it doesn't start. 131 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: Let's check for spark. Let's let's pull the wire off 132 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: the coil from the distributor and does the coil put 133 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: out spark? Yes? Or no? Alright, I have not checked that. Yeah, 134 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: let's go back to basics. If if if this truck 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: was putting your driveway and you didn't know any history 136 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: of anything that was done to it, how would you 137 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: diagnose it? Fuel, spark, and mechanical Right, hook up your 138 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: scan tool, bring up engine RPM and look at it. 139 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: Crank the car, turn the key, cranked the engine. If if, 140 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: if this were a healthy vehicle, you should see an 141 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: RPM signal on the scan tool in they were capable 142 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: of generating cranking rpm. If if you don't, then we've 143 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: got to have an additional conversation next week talking about 144 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: how to diagnose a potentially bad crank sensor. Okay, right, 145 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: so just you know, that's where I would go with this. Um, 146 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of bad new part arts and 147 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: a lot of ever since and ever since, it just 148 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: became that it was something else in reality, got you, Okay, okay, 149 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: So let's uh, let's let's attack it like that. Okay, alright, 150 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: sounds good. All right, So let's let's let's go look 151 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: at you. Very welcome. You look at those things, and 152 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: you call me back and I'll be glad to help 153 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: you again. You're welcome, Michael, you take good care. Let's 154 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: go to Bob and Maine. Bob, welcome to the car doctor, sir, 155 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: how can I help? Hey? Ron? How you doing today? Good? 156 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: What's going on? They? I just wanted to get the 157 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: word out. I called your emailed you last week about 158 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: my fore got a five liter V eight. I noticed 159 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: this time around that I have been consuming over a 160 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: quarter of oil and list than three thousand miles. So 161 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: since I since I emailed you there last weekend, I 162 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: think it was Sunday, I did a little research. You 163 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: got online, cut got on some forums and I guess 164 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:03,479 Speaker 1: there is a TSB on the for five to eighty 165 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: and there is Ford's admitted to excessive oil consumption and 166 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: the k s B number is one nine dash two 167 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: zero five eight And um, I guess a lot of 168 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: guys from what I've talked of been the Ford and um, 169 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: they've been putting them through this protocol in his TSB 170 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: and uh if they burn less than a court in 171 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: three k uh, they will not replace the motor. If 172 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: it is over one court in three k they'll put 173 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: a brand new long block in it. Right. Yeah, because 174 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: there's actually there's actually an updated bullet into that also. UM, 175 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: I know, I know it has nineteen three. It came 176 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: out may have this year. Um, and yeah they are 177 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: they are doing some oil consumption tests or I know 178 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: it is a different bullet the number. I don't know 179 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: if it's new or older than yours. Um, but yeah, 180 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: they're they're they're aware of it. I've heard of it. Um. 181 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they did wrong, what's going on, 182 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: what makes them want to do that? But uh, yeah, 183 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: I went, I went on a couple of forums, and 184 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: I guess when they started to revamp the definitely fifty 185 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: and eleven, they got rid of the five four, went 186 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: to the five oh with the aluminum block and from 187 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: what I can understand, they were running steal sleeves in 188 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: the cylinders for the pistons, and then I guess an 189 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: engineer got a bright idea, let's go with the plasma 190 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: coated solder instead. And from what I've seen on forums, 191 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: I guess a lot of guys are saying that the 192 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: rings aren't seeding and that's why they're burning this oil. Yeah, 193 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: and I guess some dealers have been really good with guys, 194 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: others not so good. And um one guy said he 195 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: was burning over two quarts in five k. He was 196 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: changing his oil every five thousand miles. But I guess 197 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: Ford aware of it, just wanted to get the word out. 198 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: Any guys that have that five week or the eighth 199 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: they might want to contact the deal and keep an 200 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: eye on their oil. Well yeah, that and here's a ace. 201 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: We're having a relationship with the guy that sold you 202 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: the car. The dealership in this case is good because, uh, 203 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, if you bring it to their attention, I'm 204 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: sure they'll take care of it. And you know they 205 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: realized that, Yeah, they realized it's yeah, no, I talk that. Yeah, 206 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: the right here in town where I live. I purchased 207 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: the truck right here for the dealer in town where 208 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: I live. And they've been really good and they're aware 209 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: of it. They did some they looked up town the 210 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: TSB and then we're gonna do the oil consumption test. 211 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: I'm going in July two for the oil change. It's 212 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: that truck's only got nine thousand miles on it, and uh, 213 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: they're gonna do the oil consumption test. And it was 214 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: pretty reassured by the head mechanic. If you know, if 215 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't pass, they will put a new long block 216 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: in no problem. Yeah, good. Are you gonna Are you 217 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: gonna tow with this truck at all? Bob? Uh? I 218 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: do some tolling with it. I have a trailer, just 219 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: a regular utility trailer, like a seven by fourteen size. 220 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: You know, Uh, I don't do a lot of toying, 221 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: just once in a while. Right, Well, you know what, 222 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna make your life a little easier, not just 223 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: for the toying, but for the truck overall. We're gonna 224 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: be sending out a Superchips Dash Pack plus two. You 225 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: can hook it up to this eight team four D 226 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: F one fifty. You can custom tune different configurations. Make 227 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: this truck give you a little bit more power in 228 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: the mid range, or he can give you more torque 229 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: to pulling off the line. If your tone, this trailer 230 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: or anything else, so stand the line, let Tom get 231 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: your information. You can read more about the Superchips dask 232 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: pack plus over at superchips dot com. And thanks for 233 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: being part of the Car Doctor family. I'm not anating 234 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: of the Car Doctor. We're back right after this for 235 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: the best in car advice. Give Ron a call eight 236 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: five five five zero nine nine zero zero. Now back 237 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: to Ron. Let's get over to Nick and Missouri. Nick, 238 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help? Yeah, 239 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: we're on. I got a a B S light to 240 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: spend on for quite a while and I finally took 241 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: it to just a local place and uh, and they 242 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: said the centre was back of most band that goes 243 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: on the back differation when we put it on, and 244 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: I didn't fix it, so it started started checking wiring 245 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: and stuff, and and then the process of hend blogged 246 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: the wiring harness and was checking to see about power 247 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: and whatever while the field bumps on that too. So 248 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: they ran out of gas. We plugged it back in, 249 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: started back up let around. Well, I am blood to 250 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: do some more check in and it ran out of 251 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: gas again naturally, so then plugged it back in and 252 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: and just kind of ran out of time and gave 253 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: up for that day. But now now it's got a 254 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: miss in it and check engine light comes on, and 255 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: so I don't know what they well, yeah, I feel 256 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: your brother, I'm sorry. Um, let's back up. Let's go 257 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: back to the A B S S. You do you 258 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: remember the trouble code? Was it a five dred or 259 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: fifteen oh two or something like that? Now I don't 260 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. Does the spenometer work? Yes, okay, so 261 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: the pome it works. But the A B S lights 262 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: on and the check engine lights on, and it's got 263 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: a miss to it. Yeah it does. Now before we're 264 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: just an ABS light. Uh, this is not good. And 265 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: then didn't get this check engine stuff until they unblogged 266 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: me and ran out of gas a couple of times. 267 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: Now that's related, I don't know. Well, no it's not. 268 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: But why is it running out of gas? Does the 269 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: gas cage work? Well? Yeah, but see he unbluged the 270 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: wiring harness, was doing some check them with a nomemeter 271 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: or whatever to see if it was getting power, you know, 272 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: just shooted back to the sensor in the in the back. 273 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: So so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have to 274 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: keep working on other twenty years. We've got a new 275 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: sensor on and that didn't do any good. Wait wait, 276 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: wait a second, let's go back to the gas thing. 277 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: So you know, before he disconnected the guests sending unit 278 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: to look at how does he how did he just 279 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: how did he disconnect the guests hank sender and not 280 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: disconnect the fuel pump? How does the truck keep running? Well, 281 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm assuming it wasn't fuel pump because then wiring r 282 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: em did undid the whole wiring artist the plug ins. Okay, 283 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: was checkings, checking to see about power. Have you been 284 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: to this guy before? Well yeah, but it's a it's 285 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: a local guy, I mean, and they're they're good boys 286 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: that they're not really I shouldn't have winn we got 287 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: dollars for that for that, for that, but I did, 288 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: and now it's too late now, you know. So I 289 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: guess part of this conversation has to be is I 290 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: sort of need to know what codes I'm fighting. I 291 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: don't mean, yeah, so I can you get that for 292 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: me and call me back next week. He just told me. 293 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: He just told me through a code that said it 294 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: was the said it was the back you know, the 295 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: back sensor, and that's why they replaced it. But then 296 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: get you ever get an earache? Nick, all right? And 297 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: you go to the doctor and he says you got 298 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: an ear ache, He doesn't put an ear on your right. 299 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: There's there's always there's always something that caused that ear ache, 300 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: whether whether you know it's it's so, there's no there's 301 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: no trouble code that when it's there, it means that 302 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: part needs to be replaced. About the only time you 303 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: run into that on a modern car is if it 304 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: has like a P zero six oh one, which is 305 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: an internal module failure on the vehicle computer. And boy 306 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: n nine percent of the time a six oh one 307 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: on any vehicle leads to a module. It just does. Well, 308 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: after you got all that other stuff done and put 309 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: the scanner back on it, it's got it's got three 310 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: it's got three deals on Now I want to miss 311 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: some kind of a module, but there's three on there, 312 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: and he can't play them off to you know. Just 313 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: but anyway, when he when he put that sensor on. 314 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: You know, they had some of the scan of thing 315 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: that that they tested in the and the two A 316 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: B S in the front they are working, but need 317 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: neither one of them in the back arm. So so 318 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: whatever we've got, so we've got no signal out of 319 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: the rear A B S I guess would be right now. 320 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: And and now whenever I put the brake on, it 321 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: makes that. I suppose it's at a B S pump 322 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: taking a hand or something. You know, the pedal vibrates 323 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: right and I and I usually you have to press 324 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: on it pretty hard to get it to do that, 325 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: but now it doesn't take a whole lot of pressure. 326 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: And I'm getting that the B S light is still long. Yeah, Okay, 327 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: here's what we're getting. Here's what we want to do. Right. 328 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: Do we still have the old part, yes, but but 329 00:17:54,119 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: they broke it getting it out. Okay, here's what I 330 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: want you to do with them. Write everything down as 331 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: far as codes, clear all the codes. Take it for 332 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: a ride, what comes back. Diagnose that the A BS 333 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: problem is likely not related to the engine performance problem, 334 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: unless it has something to do with the wiring harness 335 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: at the fella unplugged and started picking apart. Do those steps. 336 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: Call me back next week we'll dive into this a 337 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: little deeper. Come on any in the car doctor. We're 338 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: back right after this. Welcome back, We're on any of 339 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: the car Doctor. Let's get over to Jerry and New York. Jerry, 340 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor. Sure, how can I help everyone? 341 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: My call? I have a seven and I'm throwing some 342 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: codes with a hemy is so like, uh it sounds 343 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: like a song. Uh dropped the bounce peak three uh nine? 344 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: Three uh one, four oh one, four to five? Yeah? 345 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: Um yeah? Did did these all come up at once? Jerry? 346 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: It was just one day they were not there and 347 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: then when they all of them came up at once, 348 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: and it just started happening, right, This all started happening. 349 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: But I thought at one time of with loll on oil, 350 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was a problem, but clear to codes 351 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: and it just all came back again. You know, I've 352 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: seen this as a as a multiple system failure per se, 353 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: and this this has to do with this has um 354 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: mds on it. The um UM where it'll go from 355 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: four to eight cylinder mode correct correct, Yeah, And you 356 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: know when it's just one fault code it's usually the solenoid, 357 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: and I don't want to everybody to just jump on 358 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: and start changing just solenoids every time it's one. There's 359 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: a process you can go through, you know. I've I've 360 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: seen in some cases why ring harness issues, which is 361 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: kind of tough to deal with because you end up 362 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: putting a wiring harness in the engine compartment. But a 363 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: lot of times this becomes a PCM, the powertrain control module. 364 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: And if you were to read a float chart for 365 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: each individual code, you'll notice that they talk about checking 366 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: for powering grounds and you know, they kind of walk 367 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: you through for uh consistency of the harness. You know, 368 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: what they're setting it for. What their concern is is 369 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: the soloid for number six, let's say, is it shorted? 370 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: Is it shorted or open? Is there a short to ground? 371 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: What's going on with it? So they want to walk 372 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: you through wiring harness tests pin by pin. Have you 373 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: done any of that? Not yet? No, I just trying 374 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: to do some more research on you know, the whole 375 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: like form would go off by once right, so you know, 376 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: I I know from the code you gave me its 377 00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: cylinder six, it's cylinder four, is it cylinder to sold 378 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: one and sold seven. So we'd have to look what's 379 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: the relationship with those. I'd almost be willing to bet 380 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: that's half the that's that's the half that shuts down 381 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: in four cylinder mode or is active in four cylinder mode. 382 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: You know they they're gonna split two on each side 383 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: from from the shutdown. So one in seven sounds right 384 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: because they would be opposite relation crank up top dead, Uh, 385 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: they would be opposite of the others. Where the pistons 386 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: are in their stroke. They've got to balance. They can't 387 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: shut down the right side of the motor and let 388 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: the left side run. It wouldn't work. They have to 389 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: shut it down in relation to where the pistons are 390 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: on the crank, and whether whether the pistons up or 391 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: down one and seven and four and eight would be 392 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: equal distance apart from each other, that they would allow 393 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: themselves to be shut down without causing a vibration or 394 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: a change. And how smooth the engine ran, if you 395 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: follow what I'm saying. So we're looking we're looking for 396 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: something common to those four cell landers. Not likely it's solenoids, 397 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: all right, it would be It would be really weird 398 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: that you failed all four solenoids at once, So good ahead, 399 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I just set that make sense 400 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: to me, so I would get a look at a 401 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: wiring diagram. You know, how do they feed power those solenoids. 402 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: Is it one five voult reference or one twelve vote 403 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: reference whatever it is going up to that solenoid from 404 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: one source or they I think they're individual wires leading 405 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: to the solenoids. But I believe there's a separate ground. 406 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. It's been a while since i've 407 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: I've played with one of these, But you know, is 408 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: there a separate ground leg that would account for if 409 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: you lost that ground, you'd lose those four cylinders and 410 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: set those four codes? All right? If if this comes 411 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: out to be where power and ground all comes from 412 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: the PCM, if you clear the code, how long does 413 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: it take for it to come back? Okay? So if 414 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: you clear it and they come back, or it doesn't 415 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: come back right away, if you massage or manipulate the 416 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: harness while it's sitting there idling in the driveway, can 417 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: you get the fault codes to come up? I didn't 418 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: try to, all right, But but you're gonna need a 419 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: wiring diagram for this to see how those solenoids are 420 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: wired in relation to each other and in relation to 421 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: the overall harness. All right, and you know the other 422 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: thing you want to think about is you may very 423 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: well need a PCM for this. It would not be 424 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: the most unusual thing in the world, because I think 425 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: they both go back to a common driver in the PCM, 426 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: and that would make sense that you would lose all 427 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: four because the PCM has a bad singular driver that 428 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: feeds that sod okay, and if it was that good, 429 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: would you know what that would run about? First of all, 430 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: you gotta see if it's still available. And and I 431 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: say that, I say that in all seriousness. I spoke 432 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: to someone this week with an O six wrangler that 433 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: needs a PCM, and he said, do you think you 434 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: could get one? And I was thinking, yeah, why not? 435 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: And I called Chrysler up and they said, yeah, discontinued. Yeah, So, 436 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, are they out there. I'm sure, I'm sure 437 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: they're out there. I'm sure they're available. It's just a 438 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: matter how hard can we look? You know, It's it's 439 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: you want to keep in mind if you do buy something, 440 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: because if you're doing this yourself. You're gonna have to 441 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: have it flashed, which means you're gonna end up taking 442 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: it to the dealer if you can find there are 443 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: some aftermarket sources I've seen that are claiming if you 444 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: give them the VN they'll they'll pre flash the PCM 445 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: and then ship it to you. And maybe that's the 446 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: way to go. If that's if that's what, if that's 447 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: what it comes out to be, all right, take my 448 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: take my email to take my email Jerry Ron at 449 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: Car doctor show dot com. If if you need if 450 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: you need a wiring diagram or something, just send me 451 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: an email and I'll see what I can find for you. 452 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: I'll try and help you a little bit of again, 453 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: appreciate that very much. Right, you're very well, You're very welcome. 454 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: You take good care of Good luck to you. So sorry, Jerry. Um. Yeah, 455 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: it's a tough you know, and that's the problem. As 456 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: the car's age, you're you're not just fighting the problem, 457 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: you're fighting the technology. Can you still get the part? 458 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: Can you get the information? And then when you do 459 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: get the part, does it need to be reflashed? You know, 460 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: at what point will a repair shop or a dealer 461 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: still have access to all the computer software updates and 462 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: all the flashing and all the you know, it's I 463 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: always go back to the comparison. If you are to 464 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: go out and buy a floppy disk drive today, could 465 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: you if you had an update a Windows three point 466 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: one computer? Could you? It's getting hard to find end 467 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: up dates for Windows seven. Okay. So you know, technology 468 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: has its has its pluses and its minuses, and it's 469 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to fall on your sword in order 470 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: to fix the car. It becomes a big issue. Nine zero. 471 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: The car doctors coming back right after this. We them back. 472 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: Weren't any of the car doctor you know. It was 473 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: mid week at the shop, and as as we go 474 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: through the day. As we go through the week, different 475 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: things come up and and in terms of what makes 476 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: the repair successful and what doesn't. This week, I we 477 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: we had a situation where it was a parts issue 478 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: and it was a case that the brake pads we 479 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: were using we're both wrong for a particular car, and 480 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: it didn't make any sense. I looked at the part number, 481 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: I looked at it by application. They were both that 482 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: one was still in its bubble wrap, the other one 483 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: was not. And I said, how could how could this 484 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: be wrong? It was It said it's supposed to be 485 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: a fourteen forty nine set of pads. It was a 486 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: fourteen forty nine set of pads. The other one was 487 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: supposed to be a twelve thirty two set of pads, 488 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: and it said twelve thirty two, but the rapper had 489 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: been broken kind of goofed up the day a little bit. 490 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: We had a call up getting fresh pads. Fresh pads 491 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: came down, and when the fresh pads set showed up, 492 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: the fourteen series pads were really the twelve series pads, 493 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: and the twelve series pads were completely wrong. And what 494 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: had happened was the part's house went backwards and and 495 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: and and short, and you know, traced it. They can 496 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: trace who bought what last and so on, and it 497 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: turns out somebody had returned them and they had just 498 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: thrown things in a box and didn't care. And subsequently 499 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: it creates chaos on this side. And I thought about that, 500 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: how much that you know, it's amazing lit to repair 501 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: works as good as it does. It really is when 502 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: you think about all the moving pieces and all the 503 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: potential for problems that can exist in in in the 504 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: course of a day. It's it's kind of a staggering 505 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: thing that that you can get as many cars out 506 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: in the course of a day as you can nationally, 507 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: how many cars get fixed on any given day. There's 508 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: a new sign going up in the shop this week 509 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's gonna say everything's gonna take a 510 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: lot longer than you think, because it does. And whether 511 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: you're just doing a break repair or a diagnosis or 512 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: a computer flash, everything just takes longer. And you know, 513 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: as much as the problem is you have on your jobs, 514 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: all right, you know what coworkers not happy, who got 515 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: in late, who got who was outlaid, who got in 516 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: at the wrong time, who didn't show up at all. Well, 517 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: when you stop to think of how many order repairs 518 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: are very hands on industry, is what I'm trying to say. 519 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: And when you stop and think about how many hands 520 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: have to be involved in order to get one thing there. 521 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: In order to deliver one set of brake pads, it 522 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: probably goes through a half a dozen set of hands 523 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: and a driver and a counterman. And that doesn't include 524 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: the guy who delivered it in the a team wheeler 525 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: and they pulled it out of the truck and put 526 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: it on the shelf until we needed it. When you 527 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: stop and think about that, it's it's kind of a 528 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: crazy number, and the potential for somebody miss boxing, somebody 529 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: dropping something, you know, it goes up exponentially and you 530 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: say to yourself, Wow, I'm really amazed it worked out 531 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: as good as it did. We had a a late 532 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: model Toyota it was no Suber I'm sorry Subaru that 533 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: had a problem with an ignisition oil and had a 534 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: bad coil. We put a coil on it and it 535 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: lasted a month and it was kind of weird because 536 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: it was a very good brand. It was. It was Oi, 537 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: but not from the dealer because a lot of the 538 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: dealer stuff can be purchased outside by the original manufacturer. 539 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: And it failed, and we put another one on in 540 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: the car. Since gone and the car's fixed. It's not 541 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: a question of that. But I said, why, you know what, 542 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: what made that? Like? I don't buy a kid around 543 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: with you guys. I said, yeah, new never ever worked like. 544 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: I get that, but I'm always looking for a reason. 545 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: You gotta be like a pit bull in this business. 546 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: And I called the manufacturer hotline. I spoke to them 547 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: and they said likely what happened is prior to us 548 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: getting it, the part got dropped in the box. I said, 549 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: you're kidding, and they said no. They said, as a 550 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: matter of fact, we've had a few complaints with that 551 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: particular part number. We've got to put more packing in 552 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: the box to ensure that it can take a three 553 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: foot fall. Think about right now, we have to worry 554 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: about when somebody drops the part before it gets to us, 555 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: because what they're saying is there's there's capacity, there's capacitors 556 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: and conductors inside that electronic device, and when they dropped it, 557 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: something couldn't stand the impact and it made it more fragile. 558 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: Even though it's ensconced encompassed in this coil pack, it 559 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: still doesn't insulate it and protected in the event that 560 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: it falls from you know, two and a half three 561 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: feet up. Cars were a lot simpler fifty years ago. 562 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't know where they're gonna be fifty years from now. 563 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: I can only imagine. My point is everybody me, the 564 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: guy fixing it, you, the guy driving it, the other 565 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: guy that's selling it. Everybody has to learn to think 566 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: of cars differently. Don't say, well, this is the way 567 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: my dad did it. Fifty years ago, unless unless it's 568 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: work ethic and you get up every day and go 569 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: to work. I get that, But to say this is 570 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: the specific way we took care of a car fifty 571 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: years ago, forty years ago, five years ago, last week 572 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: might be not not a correct term anymore. So technology changes, 573 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 1: we have to change with it. Eight five zero nine 574 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: zero zero. The Car Doctors coming back right after this. 575 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back on any of the car Doctor here he 576 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: five five five zero nine zero zero. Keep in mind 577 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: that phone number is seven. You can call eight five 578 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 1: five five zero nine nine zero zero any time, day 579 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: or night. If this show is not on the air, 580 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: leave a message. Tom Ray, Executive producer, chief cook and 581 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: bottle washer, will get you in the next live broadcast 582 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: and we get to talk to you. So, um, you know, 583 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: I always get to talk to us. A bunch of 584 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: things going on. We're doing T shirts again. We gotta 585 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: get some, I gotta get well. I'm gonna start with 586 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: our automotive T shirts and we're gonna gradually progress into 587 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: the new design Car Doctor T shirt. I finally found 588 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: somebody that, uh that that will print them, and uh 589 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: you make it affordable for us so we can you know, 590 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: get everybody some t shirts um for the July is 591 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: upon us. Wow, Like you know, I hate to say 592 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: it and to be you know, negative Nancy, but it's 593 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: gonna be fourth of July, Labor Day, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas. 594 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: Can I get my candy cane now? It's over? But 595 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: I do want to point out, courtesy of the Carcare 596 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: Council carcare dot org, that it is a good time 597 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: to get a checklist done and do so this week 598 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: coming up before you leave for the July weekend to 599 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: go do some traveling. You want to allow for holiday traffic, 600 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: maybe leave a little earlier obviously. Uh, if you haven't 601 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: had the car looked at, if it's been a year 602 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: since the last physical as I like to call it, 603 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: and now's a good time to do it. Uh, you know. 604 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: Rich White, executive director of the Carcare Council, points out 605 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: a pre chip, a pre trip vehicle check helps determine 606 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: if a vehicle is ready for the road, so you 607 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: can avoid the inconvenience, potential safety hazards an unplanned expensive 608 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: breaking down miles from home with summer vacation upon us. 609 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: A thorough vehicle inspection will give you peace of mind 610 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: and at your journey safer and keep in mind that 611 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: look even though you know, I had a customer Committee 612 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: of the day driving a two thousand six Toyota camera 613 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: and you know, I said, listen, let's do a checklist, 614 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: and he says, yeah, but I only you know, my 615 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: wife only goes. It's only fourteen miles to work. She 616 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: works over the GW Bridge and the Bronx. Have you 617 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: ever been to New Jersey? That's not far, right, I said, yeah, 618 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: but she's on the Cross Bronx Expressway every day. Otherwise 619 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: known around here is pothole alley. All right, you know, 620 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: one shot to a strut, one shot to attire. What's 621 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: what's the undercarriage of that vehicle? Look like, let's do 622 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: a checklist at least once a year, probably on that 623 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: car twice a year. So getting a checklist done to 624 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: your car if you tell me the car is two 625 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: years old, if you're driving pothole alley, you're gonna want 626 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: to have that checklist done once a year regardless. So 627 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: the Car Care Council also suggests that the vehicle owners 628 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: check the National Allway Traffic Safety Administration website and h 629 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: t s A dot gov slash recall to see if 630 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: there's any recalls on their vehicle and you can enter 631 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: then and see if your car has any defects before 632 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: leaving on vacation. NITZAD National Highway Traffic Safe, the Authority, 633 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: cark Here Council cark here dot org and ron Ani 634 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: in The Car Doctor Car Doctor Show dot Com reminds 635 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: everybody buckle up for every trip, Buckle up before you leave, 636 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: plan for the unexpected, and you'll have a great time. 637 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: Enjoy the fourth I'm ron Adian the Car Doctor, reminding 638 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: each and every one of you. Good mechanics aren't expensive, 639 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you