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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George and

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Speaker 1: Ori back with you. William Craig read back with us.

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Speaker 1: He was last on about three years ago. He served

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Speaker 1: as a US Navy diver, submarine weapons technician, espionage photographer

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Speaker 1: for special ops aboard nuke fests submarines. He earned his

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Speaker 1: commendations for completing secret missions during the Cold War, several

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Speaker 1: in concert with Navy seal teams, and is the only

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Speaker 1: author invited by the US Navy to observe recent ISAX

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Speaker 1: operations in the Arctic. And William I spent nine years

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven years with the Navy, depending on how

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Speaker 1: many I put in. But I gotta tell you thank

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Speaker 1: you for serving well, thank you for serving. Appreciate I

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Speaker 1: love the Navy. I had a great time there. I

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Speaker 1: did too. Actually, you know, people say that they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: take a million dollars for another minute, but I actually enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: I really did. I want to spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: time out your new book, Spies of the Deep, and

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Speaker 1: that comes out in July, right or is it out yet? Well,

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Speaker 1: it is actually out now on the pre order and

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Speaker 1: it will be shipping in July. Ah, okay, great, well

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking about that. What a disaster that was

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Speaker 1: with that Russian sub But this story with North Korea

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Speaker 1: has caught my eye, and it's weird. Why is North

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Speaker 1: Korea's embassy in Moscow sending out information threatening a sensational

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Speaker 1: event leading to the destruction of the United States. I

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Speaker 1: thought the president of Kim Yung, Kim John Ung, we're friends. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not clear that Kim Jong ung is still alive,

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Speaker 1: and this may actually be moves by his sister Yo Jung.

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Speaker 1: A lot of indications are that he perhaps, if he

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Speaker 1: is alive, he's incapacitated and she is perhaps taking control.

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Speaker 1: She ordered the destruction of the Inter Korean Liaison Office,

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Speaker 1: a huge provocation against South Korea, the fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: facility of the Facto embassy, if you will, And she

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Speaker 1: has taken all kinds of other measures. She's doing official

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Speaker 1: addresses on his behalf, wearing a tire that portrays her

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Speaker 1: as being in power. She's removed statues from the main square,

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Speaker 1: She's taken his observation tech neck down, all kinds of

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Speaker 1: reasons to believe that she may be in power, not him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about, well, what you believe

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Speaker 1: the North Koreans did while with the South Koreas on office,

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Speaker 1: they blew it up. Tell us about this well, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and Yo Jung is in command at this point. All

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Speaker 1: of these moves are to solidify her power. You have

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Speaker 1: to remember that North Korea is a patriarchal state and

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Speaker 1: so for a woman to take control it's unheard of.

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Speaker 1: So in order to maintain that control, she's going to

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Speaker 1: have to have a very strong position. And it may

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Speaker 1: be that all these moves that she's making or to

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Speaker 1: solidify her power, that would be one a provocation against

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Speaker 1: South Korea. The other would be what we're hearing about

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Speaker 1: with I'm going to destroy America. You know these are

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Speaker 1: sword brand machines, if you will, But all predictable moves,

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Speaker 1: if she is trying to solidify her power, Well, I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, William, you make a lot of sense,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think Kim john On would be threatening

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Speaker 1: us this way if he were still in control. I

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Speaker 1: think he kind of wants detent. So there is something

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Speaker 1: going on there. Well, no question, and there have been

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions about whether or not some of

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Speaker 1: these videos or images were doctored, or they were if

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Speaker 1: you will, put together from older pictures and a lot

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Speaker 1: of indications to show that perhaps he is if he's

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Speaker 1: not still with us at least in capacity, hated and

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Speaker 1: she is solidifying her power base now if the sister

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Speaker 1: Kim Joe young is in charge, what happened to the brother, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's always been considered that the brother was not strong

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Speaker 1: enough to be in power. He was never in line

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Speaker 1: for that reason, even though as a patriarchal state he

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Speaker 1: would be the most logical choice. But those that are

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Speaker 1: in power now have not looked at him as being

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Speaker 1: a strong leader, whereas Yo Jung has always been a

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Speaker 1: very strong, hardheaded person who would immediately step in and

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Speaker 1: take control as she was given that opportunity, and sure

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Speaker 1: looks that way now. Beyond just trying to threaten us

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Speaker 1: to make her power base look stronger, isn't that kind

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Speaker 1: of dumb to do? Not necessarily, They've done a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that have not been met with any kind

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Speaker 1: of reciprocation, and I think the biggest one, of course,

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Speaker 1: was back in twenty ten when they sunk the South

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Speaker 1: Korean ship ship the Gentleman, and they killed forty six sailors.

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Speaker 1: The US proved that it was actually one of their

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Speaker 1: torpedoes shot from a Sinpos submarine. We know that to

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Speaker 1: be the case. We had that proven that it was

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Speaker 1: AHT O two D, but we couldn't do anything about it,

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Speaker 1: and they know that. So her provocations are brandishing knowing

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Speaker 1: that we're probably not going to take any action in reciprocation.

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Speaker 1: Now in this las On office bombing that destroyed this facility,

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Speaker 1: do we know if anybody died? No reports of that,

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Speaker 1: although it is believed that perhaps some South Koreans, if

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Speaker 1: not were killed, were injured, but no official reports have

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Speaker 1: come out on that yet. Now, the office, though was

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Speaker 1: based in North Korea, right, that's correct, just across the

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Speaker 1: border in North Korea. However, it was like an embassy.

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Speaker 1: It was considered to be property of both countries. So

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Speaker 1: it is definitely a provocation. It is not legally, if

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Speaker 1: you will, totally North Korean property. William, I've been looking

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Speaker 1: at the video of the implosion and it looks much

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Speaker 1: like a Vegas casino going down, which to me means

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Speaker 1: that this was intentional one. But it took some time

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Speaker 1: to plant the explosives in that building. The way it

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Speaker 1: came down, no question, this was planned for some time,

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Speaker 1: and that's why a lot of experts believe that it

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Speaker 1: is Yo Jung. She is known to be the one

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Speaker 1: who pulled the trigger, if you will. That would be

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Speaker 1: an absolute strategic move on her part, planned well ahead

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Speaker 1: of time. So as she saw her brother perhaps eating away,

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Speaker 1: or maybe he passed away some time ago, those plans

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Speaker 1: went into place if he died, why are they keeping

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Speaker 1: it a secret? That's the way North Korea operates, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: They just they don't like to tell anybody about anything.

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Speaker 1: And it may be that she's putting together all of

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Speaker 1: these puzzle pieces and these chess moves to solidify her

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Speaker 1: power before she makes the official announcement. Now that's a

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Speaker 1: good point too. They're obviously at some point then if

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Speaker 1: he has passed away or is incapacitated, they would have

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Speaker 1: to come out with some announcement in time. And so

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Speaker 1: even let's say he was in a vegetative state, they

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Speaker 1: would still give her the power, wouldn't they, No question.

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Speaker 1: And it will take a little bit more time, but

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Speaker 1: sooner or later, something's going to have to happen, because

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing in terms of his official appearances are

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Speaker 1: quite questionable. Does she hate the United States? Of course, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: perhaps even more so. As you said earlier, John Mung

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Speaker 1: has always been a little bit more detent, if you will,

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Speaker 1: and she absolutely is not that way. Yeah. All the

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Speaker 1: pictures I have seen with him waving and saluting and smiling,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he seems like he was just out for

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Speaker 1: a pr effort and having a good time. She seems

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Speaker 1: to be all business, doesn't she, No question about it.

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Speaker 1: And that's a little bit scary because we now know

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Speaker 1: they absolutely have nuclear capability on their submarines. We photographed

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Speaker 1: this last year them transporting nuclear material to the Simple

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Speaker 1: Naval Base, which is where they keep their submarines. And

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Speaker 1: as you and I both know, being in the Navy, William,

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Speaker 1: it's our nuke subs that have always been the deterrent

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Speaker 1: because those things are poked right off the coasts of

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Speaker 1: these other countries and they may be doing the same

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Speaker 1: thing to us. No question, they have diesel submarines. You

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Speaker 1: have to remember we lost half a dozen of them

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Speaker 1: not that many years ago South Koreans and our navy

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Speaker 1: couldn't find them for a week. When they go silent

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Speaker 1: on the battery, they're hard to find, so if they

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Speaker 1: have nuclear tip torpedoes or even nuclear ballistic missiles at

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Speaker 1: this point, that could really be very frightening. Listen to

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