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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast part of the Volume

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chad Molman of the Action Network.

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Speaker 3: Hi everybody, This is producer Matt Mitchell. Chad and Simon

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Speaker 3: are still on vacation, so today I've got a special

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Speaker 3: treat for you. Seven years ago this week, shortly after

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Speaker 3: the creation of the Action Network and long before the

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Speaker 3: advent of the Volume Podcast Network, Chad Moman welcome to

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Speaker 3: his longtime friend Colin Cowhard onto the podcast. The Favorites

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Speaker 3: was called The Buffet at the time, and PASPA had

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Speaker 3: just been repealed by the US Supreme Court, opening the

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Speaker 3: floodgates for legalization of sports betting nationwide. In this episode,

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Speaker 3: you'll hear Chad and Colin discuss the future of sports

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Speaker 3: betting content. We'll learn why Colin hates too many choices,

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Speaker 3: how he approaches building a TV show, and a whole

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Speaker 3: lot more. I hope you enjoy it. The show is

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Speaker 3: off on Thursday, so on behalf of everyone here at

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Speaker 3: the Favorites Podcast. We wish you a very happy, healthy

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Speaker 3: and profitable Independence Day and happy Birthday America. Enjoy.

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Speaker 1: I have a good friend who also is probably the

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Speaker 1: most talented radio host and you can include sports and

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Speaker 1: nonsports in that. Working in the biz today, my former

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Speaker 1: cast mate at ESPN, who I was on a show

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Speaker 1: with for two years now at Fox starring on all

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Speaker 1: various platforms for Fox Sports, mister Colin Cowherd.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, buddy, Hey, how are you doing? I'm

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Speaker 4: doing great, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: We got so much exciting stuff to talk about because

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Speaker 1: you and I have been talking about sports betting in

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Speaker 1: the mainstream space.

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Speaker 2: Honest to God.

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Speaker 1: We probably became friends in like twenty eleven when I

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Speaker 1: moved with the magazine of Bristol and we would talk

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Speaker 1: about it on your show. And then we were doing

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Speaker 1: Collins Football Show on Sunday Meet You and Tom Model,

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Speaker 1: which was fun, so fun, maybe the greatest professional experience

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Speaker 4: It still ranks is the most fun I've ever had

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Speaker 4: in my career. It was so fun.

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Speaker 2: I mean that show, honest to guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are times, you know, because we are

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Speaker 1: starting something brand ne who had Action Network, and honest

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Speaker 1: to God, like I am shooting this in our studio

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Speaker 1: Football Show. It is like a converted closet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of a I'm kind of

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Speaker 4: you know you're not it wasn't a ratings play. What

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Speaker 4: it was going to be is kind of an iconoclastic, weird,

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Speaker 4: perfect mindset of let's do a show where a guy

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Speaker 4: We had cartoons on that damn show because once you

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Speaker 4: get out of the pressure of okay, it's Sports Center six,

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Speaker 4: on Sunday morning, right, So once you're out of that space,

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Speaker 4: you get all this freedom to just be goofy and funny.

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Speaker 4: And I thought it was such a liberating fun show.

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Speaker 2: It really was.

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Speaker 1: What the best part about it was there were times

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Speaker 4: Well, I do find Again the word I would use

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Speaker 4: that you can do that in local radio. You can

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Speaker 4: but then you know it's just part and parcely you

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Speaker 4: That's that's what you gotta do. You got to talk

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Speaker 2: Stuff You've talked a lot about.

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Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about this and it was brilliant

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Speaker 4: There in My philosophy for twenty years has always been

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Speaker 4: I have to talk about a bunch of stuff. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense because when I go to a bar,

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Speaker 4: So I'm a believer in you have to go into

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Speaker 4: But this idea that you can go into a show

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Speaker 4: The key is, can I give you seven branches? Seven

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Speaker 1: So how much time do you have to spend thinking

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Speaker 4: All day? To my life? I do two and a

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Speaker 4: And I don't cover every NFL team. I keep my

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Speaker 4: it's repetition. That's just the reality of the business. That's

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Speaker 4: of the problems with ESPN now Chad, they don't know

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Speaker 1: All right, So that is a great transition to gambling,

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Speaker 1: because you and I have talked about this a bunch.

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Speaker 1: You started doing gambling on your radio show Wrong before

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Speaker 1: anybody else was doing it, and you spoke about it.

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Speaker 1: You're going to make picks, You're going to have people

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Speaker 4: You know, I have a theory on this, and I'm

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Speaker 4: I do Blazing five, I've always tried to make it entertaining.

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Speaker 4: Now I want to get my picks right, don't get

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Speaker 4: Best word of the day, funny arguments. When you do

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Speaker 4: these gambling shows, they've got to be good television first. Okay,

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Speaker 4: don't give me numbers, nerds, give me good TV people

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Speaker 4: who who get the numbers, because the gamblers going to

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Speaker 4: everybody's going to be into them. Numbers numbers, numbers, numbers.

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Speaker 4: The winner will be the the wildly entertaining TV personality

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Speaker 4: That will be the key in this space, not getting

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Speaker 4: entertaining person who can talk gaming, they will lose. You

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Speaker 4: still have to entertain people. How's that our theory?

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Speaker 2: How long I like? I like the theory. Leave in

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Speaker 1: The theory with what we're doing Action Network and you're

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Speaker 1: you know, by the way, everyone's listening to the podcast

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Speaker 1: Actionnetwork dot Com. Go to the Action Network, to the

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Speaker 1: buffet page on iTunes. You subscribe, you rate, you review,

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Speaker 1: First of all, I gave you like a golden nugget

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Speaker 4: No, your first your first one was right. I consumed

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Speaker 4: boring boring I'd be there's a lot of jobs i'd

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Speaker 4: be terrible at.

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Speaker 1: You're at the pinnacle of your career. This is when

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Speaker 1: you should be going out blowing it all. Like your

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Speaker 1: kids are getting older, You've like got a nice, comfortable life.

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Speaker 1: You should not be living the life sort of a

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Speaker 1: monastic lifestyle.

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Speaker 4: I know, Listen, I'm not gonna say I've never fantasized

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Speaker 4: about wild, crazy lifestyle things. But that's just not who

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Speaker 4: I am. It's just not my DNA. So and I

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Speaker 4: also think you start believing the hype fly in private,

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Speaker 4: you start going to bougie and I think you lose yourself.

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Speaker 4: And so I tell my wife this all the time.

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Speaker 4: Is I don't want to I don't want to be private.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be this. This, this be among

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Speaker 4: the people relate to people. Media people make a lot

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Speaker 4: of money. They put big fences up. I have neighbors

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Speaker 4: jammed all over me. I'm at the dog park every morning.

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Speaker 4: I think you can lose yourself very easily the richer

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Speaker 4: you get, because the richer you get to let you know,

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Speaker 4: you can have people do stuff for you. Like I

456
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Speaker 4: go to the grocery store every day every day. I

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Speaker 4: know people that don't refuse to go to the grocery store. Ah,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have it delivered. I want to go there

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Speaker 4: every day again. I don't even know how why I'm

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Speaker 4: talking about this.

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Speaker 2: I'm just talking oat Wheetle's not going to buy itself,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I got my wife's texting me here. You got

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Speaker 4: anything else?

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Speaker 2: Milman? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I actually have the actual question, which is, like, all right,

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Speaker 1: if you played the segment you bet your life, you

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Speaker 1: talked about your dad. I know how important like family

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Speaker 1: was to you growing up. What was the biggest rich

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Speaker 1: you took in your life?

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Speaker 2: And what happened?

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Speaker 4: I left college early that twelve credit shy. I got

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Speaker 4: the phone call. I went to the Baseball winter meetings,

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Speaker 4: got home and the Las Vegas Stars Don Logan called

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Speaker 4: me and said, do you want a job? And I

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Speaker 4: looked at my mom and I said, I'm twelve credit shy.

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Speaker 4: What should I do? And she said, I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to tell you. She said, you're going to tell yourself

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Speaker 4: what to do. And I left without a degree. And

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Speaker 4: it was the best move I ever made. I bet

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Speaker 4: on myself. I didn't think I was going to get

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Speaker 4: that opportunity to go from college to a triple A announcing job.

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Speaker 4: I mean, guys are in this business ten years before

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Speaker 4: they get to Triple A baseball, and it was the

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Speaker 4: best Triple A city. It was Vegas. So I bet

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Speaker 4: on myself and I said, I'm going to leave college

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Speaker 4: early twelve credit shy and I'm going to go sell

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Speaker 4: minor league baseball and I'm going to do an inning

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Speaker 4: of play by play. And I just bet on myself

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Speaker 4: and it was the best move I ever made. I

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Speaker 4: parlayed that into a TV job. I parlayed that into

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Speaker 4: a TV career in a radio career, and it really

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Speaker 4: came down to a very simple thing. I just didn't

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Speaker 4: think I would get that good of an offer at

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Speaker 4: my age and my lack of experience, and I thought,

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Speaker 4: I can always go back to college. Las Vegas is

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Speaker 4: never going to offer me a Triple A play by

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Speaker 4: play job. This is usually end up in like Amarillo

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Speaker 4: or Midland, Texas. I'm like, I got to go for it.

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Speaker 4: And it was a big risk, Like a lot of

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Speaker 4: people are like, what are you doing. You don't have

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Speaker 4: a degree, and I was like, dude, I can get

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Speaker 4: a degree later, I can't get the Vegas job later.

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Speaker 4: And it turned out to be some of my best

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Speaker 4: friends or in that town. And you know, I don't

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Speaker 4: consider myself a huge risk taker, but that was a risk.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would say you are a huge risk taker,

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Speaker 1: because when is the next time you didn't bet on

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Speaker 1: yourself that You're like, that was a screw up. I

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Speaker 1: should have totally done that.

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Speaker 4: I think it did something to me. It gave me confidence.

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Speaker 4: And at the time I didn't have a ton It

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Speaker 4: was just a goofy college kid and I didn't really

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Speaker 4: know what I was doing. And then when I succeeded,

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Speaker 4: there's a domino effect like, hey, I can do this again.

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Speaker 4: And I did it about four or five more times

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Speaker 4: in my life where you know, like I left ESPN,

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Speaker 4: they offered me a bunch of money. It was the

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Speaker 4: big network, and I went to a startup and it's

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Speaker 4: been great. It's like almost like playing the US Opening Golf.

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Speaker 4: You want to start really good on Thursday, because it

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Speaker 4: lends itself to a good Friday, a good Saturday. If

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Speaker 4: you really go into the tank on if you're shooting

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Speaker 4: nine over on Thursday, you're screwed. And I'm a big

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Speaker 4: believer in momentum, and it gave me kind of life

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Speaker 4: professional moment that it's been going ever since.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know what it's like to leave ESPN and

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Speaker 2: go work at a startup.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. But by the way, when you start kicking butt

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Speaker 4: here and you're already are, you'll this will not be

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Speaker 4: the last place in the world you work. My wife

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00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 4: always tells me that now. She's like, you're a young

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Speaker 4: fifty four. She goes, you think it's seventy four, you're

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Speaker 4: gonna be doing the herds. She goes, proy not And

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, you're right, Py.

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Speaker 2: Not seventy four.

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Speaker 1: You're just gonna be hanging out in your house, eating

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Speaker 1: no meal in kale all day.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Wondering, wondering maybe I should have bet on those underdogs

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Speaker 1: because I have.

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Speaker 4: So much more money. All Right, Melman, I gotta get

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Speaker 4: out of here. I gotta go on prep for another

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Speaker 4: one of the shows I'm on.

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Speaker 2: All right, Thanks for coming on, brother, I'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you later.

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Speaker 4: Chad Melman. Ladies and gentlemen support his Consent.

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