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Speaker 1: If nineties tgif Programming was a baseball team, Boy Meets

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Speaker 7: It wasn't deep. I'm a competitive dude, you know. I

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Speaker 8: pyramid of information, and Daniel, they made a point to

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Speaker 8: make you feel that way at the bottom of the pyramid,

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Speaker 8: even though you mattered so much to the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And we have also talked a lot on the

454
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Speaker 1: podcast now about how much we have realized.

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Speaker 2: People in power.

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Speaker 1: Had to gain by knowing we did not feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: talking to each other about things.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, divided conquer, total divided conquer.

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Speaker 8: And I remember there was a to answer your question

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Speaker 8: more directly though. I remember there was a banner placed

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Speaker 8: above our audience and it said congratulations on your first.

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Speaker 3: One hundred episodes. And I'm like sixteen years old at

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Speaker 3: this point, so.

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Speaker 7: I'm like our first right, And I knew it.

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Speaker 8: Wasn't a TYPEO. So that really was my indicator that

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Speaker 8: wait a minute, what's going on here when you say

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Speaker 8: congratulations on your first one hundred episodes?

468
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Speaker 7: But every season, around the eighteenth or nineteen episode, they

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Speaker 7: you know, they said, well we heard from the network today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we're bash right right right, yeah, or we're on

471
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Speaker 1: the bubble and everyone's going to need to not everyone's

472
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Speaker 1: going to need to take a pay cut. Everyone's going

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Speaker 1: to not you know, we're notagotiate next year now exactly.

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Speaker 8: So all of that was by coordinated design to keep

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Speaker 8: people in their places. You know, you should talk to

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Speaker 8: Miam b Alex sometimes. Man, her Blossom stories are the

477
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Speaker 8: most gangster stuff I've ever heard. Sometimes it's not even

478
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Speaker 8: a white, black, or gender issue. It's just you know,

479
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Speaker 8: youth being taken advantage of for what they didn't know.

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Speaker 8: You know, she didn't make very much money off of Blossom,

481
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Speaker 8: but she's such a you know, a destined person that

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Speaker 8: she made up for it on Big Bang No Bit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, Family Matters ended up doing two hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 1: episodes amazing, So that banner was absolutely true. That wasn't

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Speaker 1: even just wishful thinking. You guys did multiples of one

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Speaker 1: hundred episodes.

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Speaker 4: That's incredible, No, and we knew that by the time

489
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Speaker 4: we came in, So we were we Our first season

490
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Speaker 4: was ninety three. Yep, you guys were the rock off.

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Speaker 4: You were the reason that TGIF was allowed to have

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Speaker 4: new shows like ours come in and so like, you know,

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Speaker 4: if we had ever talked, if anybody had ever asked

494
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Speaker 4: us we'd have been like, well, family matters is set

495
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Speaker 4: for forever, like that's not going anywhere. It's yeah, I

496
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Speaker 4: mean to get rid of us, and you're no, they

497
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Speaker 4: were relying on you. They were you know, the whole

498
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Speaker 4: night was basically, you know, an experiment that Disney was

499
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Speaker 4: playing because they could rely on your show.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy.

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Speaker 7: And then it became you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well then Sabrina.

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Speaker 4: Really, I mean, like so we we we always had

504
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Speaker 4: our audience like sort of eking out.

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Speaker 5: But we were Touchstone. But we weren't. You know, Disney.

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Speaker 5: ABC didn't own Disney until ninety six.

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Speaker 8: I'm saying that's the greatest thing that ever happened to

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Speaker 8: you guys, can remember we do remember you guys being

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Speaker 8: on behind us. Once Disney bought ABC, it was like

510
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Speaker 8: you were.

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Speaker 6: Made and everyone else was Yeah jeez.

512
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Speaker 8: Acquisition alone extended you guys existence probably by about four

513
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Speaker 8: to five seasons.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, probably, yeah, probably, except when we were three seasons

515
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Speaker 6: in so as somebody who you you came on as

516
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Speaker 6: a guest star quickly essentially took over as the lead

517
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Speaker 6: of the show. What now I know, but you did.

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Speaker 6: You were you were the face of the show, your

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Speaker 6: face of tgif was there any resentment from any of

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Speaker 6: the actors you were working with that you know, it

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Speaker 6: kind of became your show.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, that's that's a.

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Speaker 8: Question that I've fielded thousands of times, and so as

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Speaker 8: a courtesy to my my, my, my former co stars,

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Speaker 8: you know, I it was clearly bumpy in the beginning,

526
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Speaker 8: but we really did become a family, you know, and

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Speaker 8: I think any animosity that I felt from the kids

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Speaker 8: was more because of chatter that they were hearing from adults.

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 7: I've long forgiven Kelly and Darius.

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Speaker 3: You know, we are like brothers and sisters, Kelly, Darius,

532
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Speaker 3: and Laura and Eddie in particular, you know, because I

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Speaker 3: see our adolescents our childhood as.

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Speaker 8: One quite frank, and it's so much better. I'm just

535
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Speaker 8: in a space to tell so much more fun stories

536
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Speaker 8: about the stuff that we did as teenagers growing up

537
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Speaker 8: side by side. You know, I couldn't drive. I remember

538
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Speaker 8: I met a girl at an award show and I

539
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Speaker 8: was sixteen, and I was just taken by her. And

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Speaker 8: in the moment that I got her number on a napkin,

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Speaker 8: the original tender, right, I realized I was like, oh,

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Speaker 8: I can't drive, and I'm like, I've been on this

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Speaker 8: show and just doing you know, schoolwork and whatever. In

544
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Speaker 8: I here, I am sixteen and I can't drive, and

545
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Speaker 8: the idea of my mother taking us anywhere was out of.

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Speaker 2: The question, not happening.

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Speaker 8: I went to work the next day and I asked Darius, Darius,

548
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Speaker 8: by the way, it's only six months different in age

549
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Speaker 8: from me, and most people don't know.

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Speaker 7: So you know, Eddie.

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Speaker 3: Winslow and Steve were only six months apart in age

552
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Speaker 3: in real life, and Garius like and thirty pounds driving

553
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Speaker 3: his mom to work in a fresh BMW at fourteen

554
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Speaker 3: years old out a licenress.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 8: Darius was a character on our set that I think

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Speaker 8: translates better as a character on screen, quite frankly. And

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Speaker 8: I was like, yo, man, like can you drive me

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Speaker 8: on my date? And He's like, looks at me like

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Speaker 8: I'm not a chauffeur, Like she got a friend. And

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Speaker 8: that's that's where the story begins in my book.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I love it so much.

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Speaker 2: So where did the cadence for did I do that?

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Speaker 2: Come from?

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Speaker 1: Will also had a catchphrase on Boy Me World. He

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Speaker 1: didn't know it at the time. That it was a catchphraise,

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Speaker 1: but over the years it has become one. But in

568
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Speaker 1: the script it would just be Feenie. And he took

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Speaker 1: that word Phoeni and turned it into what we now

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Speaker 1: know as the Phoenie call. And it just came from

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Speaker 1: the deep recesses of Will's comedic mind.

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Speaker 2: Where did did I do that come from? For you?

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Speaker 7: You're so smart? Deep recesses. You should have been a

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Speaker 7: late night journalist, baby, you should be a lawyer. Gave

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Speaker 7: it up in this damn sitcom.

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Speaker 3: No, you know what.

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Speaker 8: They tried a million darn catchphrases, and the first one

578
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Speaker 8: that they ever tried really was Steve would just bump

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Speaker 8: into inanimate objects, uh at end table or a lamp

580
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Speaker 8: knocking over and be like and say excuse me.

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Speaker 3: That was excuse me.

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Speaker 8: Then they tried to borrow one that was already in existence.

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Speaker 7: I fall in and I can't get up. We did

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Speaker 7: that one for a while. We did about three of them,

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Speaker 7: and just did I do that?

586
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Speaker 8: Just stuck And it's just it's one of those things

587
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Speaker 8: you you lob them out to the audience and.

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Speaker 7: You know it's you.

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Speaker 3: It's back. Then was completely about the immediate audience.

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Speaker 5: Reaction.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, has had live studio audience to tell you in

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Speaker 7: real time what was working. There was no social media,

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Speaker 7: there was no you didn't.

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Speaker 8: Hear from I think that's the thing I miss most

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Speaker 8: about our era though, of televisions.

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Speaker 7: We didn't have to hear from haters.

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Speaker 1: Rights board, people who hated us or disliked us, or

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Speaker 1: thought our show was terrible.

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Speaker 8: It's like, you thought our show was terrible, you didn't watch,

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Speaker 8: or maybe you were a TV critic and you bashed us.

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Speaker 8: And we were kids anyway, so I'm sure they told

602
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Speaker 8: you the same crap they told us.

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Speaker 7: All those critics don't know what they're talking about. Look

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Speaker 7: at our ratings. And then that was That was the

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Speaker 7: end of it.

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Speaker 8: And now you're an adult and you're like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 8: you got some of these critics. Got to like your

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Speaker 8: stuff if you want to ever get to the gold

609
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Speaker 8: and globes, you know.

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Speaker 3: So we weren't really taught.

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Speaker 7: That way at all.

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Speaker 8: But catch rises had just sent me a love out

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Speaker 8: to the audience, and they latch onto it, and they

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Speaker 8: latch onto it, and for us, by the third or

615
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Speaker 8: fourth tribe, they caught on to Did I do that?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, man, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: I remember when we came back and did Girl Meets

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Speaker 1: World and the hardest, you know, I went into it thinking, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be an adult to help guide

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Speaker 1: these kids through this journey. And sure they're social media now,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I didn't really know how that was

622
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Speaker 1: going to play into it. And then I remember doing

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Speaker 1: our first live studio audience taping and the kids walking

624
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Speaker 1: off stage after doing their curtain call and picking up

625
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Speaker 1: their phones and already seeing the people who had been

626
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Speaker 1: in the audience reading the things they had been posting about,

627
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Speaker 1: things they liked, things they didn't like, tensions they thought

628
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Speaker 1: they were picking up on between the kids.

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Speaker 2: And here we had just finished a show.

630
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Speaker 1: They should be on such a high of what they

631
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Speaker 1: had just accomplished and how much fun they had and

632
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Speaker 1: the whole journey of the week, and all of them

633
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Speaker 1: and their faces dropping.

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Speaker 2: Oh they said that this wasn't funny. It's like, oh no.

635
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Speaker 5: Even worse to me is that the writing staff is

636
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Speaker 5: also checking all of that. So it's like the.

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Speaker 4: Creativity of the show itself is now being made, and

638
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 4: this is across the board is now being made in

639
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Speaker 4: response to the audience's reaction in real time.

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Speaker 3: But again our audi but are our writer? Are all

641
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Speaker 3: of those you know, are all of those immediate responses authentic?

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Speaker 5: Exactly?

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Speaker 8: Some of those people are just epping with you and

644
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Speaker 8: play a game of choose your own adventure with somebody

645
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Speaker 8: they don't even particularly even care about totally and affecting

646
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 8: it because it's like they.

647
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Speaker 3: Want to be heard.

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00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 8: Like have you ever responded to somebody who left a

649
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Speaker 8: negative post on lack on your babe? Like you just

650
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 8: couldn't resist and you're like, I'm going back at this

651
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 8: pool right and the person's.

652
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 7: Like, oh my god, like you really hit me back.

653
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Speaker 2: You're a human being exactly you are feeling.

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Speaker 7: It's like you just said the most biting, hurtful.

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Speaker 8: Rest on a come if you don't know me at all,

656
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 8: and really you only did it as big to get

657
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Speaker 8: me to actually see you.

658
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 7: Oh man.

659
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 8: That's that's a sad psychological existence, and it's around us hugely.

660
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Speaker 7: We were on set, guys, we were present.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm dripping while.

662
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Speaker 7: We're cracking jokes on each other, you know, you know

663
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Speaker 7: we're trying.

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Speaker 3: When we got cars, Oh man, I used to love

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Speaker 3: to go to city walk that was our thing. Yes,

666
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Speaker 3: And it was like we didn't even have time to eat.

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Speaker 7: We just wanted to get there, park our car and

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Speaker 7: just walk around, and then.

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Speaker 8: We had to rush back to the set, like you know,

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Speaker 8: you're not getting a city walk for Warner Brothers in

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Speaker 8: an hour having a real time.

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Speaker 3: We would literally go there just to order something and

673
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Speaker 3: feel fancy and be like, can we take it to go?

674
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Speaker 2: Those are the days we'd go see a movie. We'd

675
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: walk around. Now we'd go see movies at the end

676
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: of our work days, not in the middle of the day.

677
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Speaker 8: Well, okay, I'm asking to admit something that most people wouldn't.

678
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 8: But back back in the day, we would sometimes go

679
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Speaker 8: to the mall to be recognized.

680
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 6: At the mall all the time.

681
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: I was just there anyway. Also, I was at the

682
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Speaker 2: Topanga mall, so.

683
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Speaker 8: It was, oh my gosh, you could not have ever

684
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Speaker 8: step foot in the Topanga mall.

685
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 5: She choose to go mall.

686
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: It's my closest mall, and they should do their advertise

687
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Speaker 1: the mall with your face.

688
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: You go to the Topago mall.

689
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: She chooses that that's my favorite spot.

690
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Speaker 5: I love it much better celebrity than me and Will

691
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Speaker 5: and will to be not.

692
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: A low self esteem day. You can take a scroll

693
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: around the Topega mall.

694
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

695
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Speaker 1: If I'm ever feeling bad about myself, I just take

696
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: a walk around the bathing, bathing in the warm glow

697
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: of the of the fame. Okay, I want to talk

698
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Speaker 1: to you about Rock and Jock basketball. None of us

699
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: ever played in those games, but you have some amazing

700
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: photos online of like taking Reggie Miller to the whole

701
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: and warming up with Mark Wahlberg and Will Smith.

702
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Speaker 2: What do you remember from those games?

703
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 8: Rock and Jock was awesome. MTV never really liked me,

704
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 8: to be quite honest. It was just a testament to

705
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 8: the success of the show that I even ended up

706
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 8: in the game, and also to the infancy of Rocking Job.

707
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 8: The first the first celebrity basketball players they got to

708
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 8: participate in Rocking Job, where Dan Marley, Reggie Miller, spud

709
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 8: Web Wow, yes right, And it was like there might

710
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 8: have been like two of the Vloody d boch Yes Floody.

711
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 7: It was so new and it didn't pay.

712
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 8: So the top guys, you know, your Jordan's and your

713
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 8: Magic's and your Barclays, were.

714
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 7: Like, I don't even know what that is.

715
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 8: And the idea of also playing which celebrities was brand new.

716
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 8: Nobody had done that before. So I hooped and I

717
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 8: the ball.

718
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: They were I think.

719
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 8: I think I ended up there because MTV never really

720
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 8: saw me as their brand. So even after that first year,

721
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 8: I never got invited back. Nobody really noticed that because

722
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 8: the first year is your proof of concept and now

723
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 8: you get to get some cooler people.

724
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 7: And but the cool thing about my year was this

725
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 7: was the year that Mark Wahlberg was still Marky Mark

726
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 7: of the Funky Bunch. And so I remember at halftime,

727
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 7: this guy I had never heard of.

728
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 8: Him, Well you know, Marky Mark was going to perform

729
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 8: at halftime, And so I'm sitting there at halftime and

730
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 8: I wait for him to do his thing. And he

731
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 8: jumps out there with a couple of brothers and it's

732
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 8: a real urban set, like I almost expect a black

733
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 8: guy to be rapping like this. He takes his shirt off.

734
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 8: Girls start going crazy because he's real bumpy, all right.

735
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 8: So the girls started going crazy and I'm watching this

736
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 8: deck to Spun Web and Blade de Bag was like,

737
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 8: oh man, this got pretty good, and all of a.

738
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: Sudden, he drops his freaking drawers. He just literally just

739
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: drops his pants all the way down to the ankles

740
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: and it's hopping around in his calvins, rapping, and I'm like,

741
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: back then, I'm like, oh, he's gonna get in trouble.

742
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, like, this can't be.

743
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: I'm already thinking, like a little little seasoned, little producer

744
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: or whatever. I'm like, this broadcast standard and practices tell

745
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 3: you something that is the greatest defiance television protocol, perhaps

746
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: in the history of Hollywood. Still, I remember that dude

747
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: was on Calvin kleinb billboards.

748
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 7: All around town so fast after that.

749
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 8: Any notion that I had that he was gonna get

750
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 8: in trouble, let's just say he was not treated like

751
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 8: Jane and Jackson was. She did like this.

752
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, not the same treatment.

753
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: She didn't get it. She didn't get a Victoria Secret

754
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: deal out of that. You got a calvic line.

755
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

756
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, my god.

757
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 7: So that's about a big memory from from Rock and Jock.

758
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 7: And they barely wanted me, but I had.

759
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 8: A fantastic time. And yeah, because I couldn't find my

760
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 8: limousine at the end of it. I remember that was

761
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 8: when I learned that they only care about the limousine.

762
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: Picking you up. They don't get you can never find

763
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: your car. At the end of those awards.

764
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 6: Shows, it was like you had to call Darius again,

765
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 6: like Darius.

766
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 3: Up.

767
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: There is also an infamous clip online that I would

768
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: love to hear about where you teach the Erkle dance

769
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: to be Arthur at the American Comedy Awards and you

770
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: are such a.

771
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: Pro in it. What do you remember about doing that?

772
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 7: You know, it's funny.

773
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 8: That's one of those kind of things where I look

774
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 8: back at and I kind of have mixed feelings. I

775
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 8: do because be author was Comedic Royalty, and she was

776
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 8: such a nice lady.

777
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 7: She was so nice to me that and all of

778
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 7: Comedic Royalty was in that room.

779
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 8: However, that's one of those moments where people are actually

780
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 8: laughing at you and not with you. Because our brand

781
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 8: of comedy that I was doing at the time, that

782
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 8: family comedy, it was.

783
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 7: More seen as.

784
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 8: It was more seen as what a farce, how funny

785
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 8: it is to have be dance with this little phenomenon

786
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 8: kid in this way, So her participation was taken to

787
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 8: be funny by the elite, whereas my participation was looked

788
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 8: at to be the gimmick portion.

789
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 7: And I've always said that where I'm like, you know,

790
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 7: I understand.

791
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 8: Comedy on such a level that I'm blessed to not

792
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 8: that I'm a genius, Like I just get it, like

793
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 8: I get tone and intonation and things like that, and

794
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 8: I love.

795
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 7: That's why I love certain stand ups to this day.

796
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 8: I just want to see my boy Dave Chappelle in

797
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 8: New York this weekend and I watched him. I watched

798
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 8: him do Boston and Austin watch him do New York

799
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 8: back to back nights. Having that ability to watch the

800
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 8: difference in the crowds and how he has to change

801
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 8: his sets based on the region. That's the kind of

802
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 8: stuff I study, really when it comes to comedy. And

803
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 8: in that moment, it was like, you know, I really

804
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 8: wish that.

805
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: That I had been able to perform with more people

806
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: who have been considered comedic elite.

807
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 8: Because then it would have been oh, he has the

808
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 8: chops to when you're seen on screen with them, it's

809
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 8: different and my man, Yes, So there were there were

810
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 8: too many moments like that where we were just good, participate,

811
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 8: fitting people.

812
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: And we had fun. And when I look back on

813
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, I'm the.

814
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 8: Joke in that dance right right, whereas b is the

815
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 8: the irreverent comedic artist that's doing this with.

816
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 5: The kid right.

817
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 7: Yeah.

818
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 5: Wow, that's really insightful.

819
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: So during your book tour, you have talked about how

820
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: you passed on the Family Matters reboot, which you know,

821
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: maybe we should have talked to you and gotten some advice.

822
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: But what is the craziest project you have said no to?

823
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: When they asked you to be Arkle as an adult?

824
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 7: Diane Sawyer, you missed your call and I'm putting it

825
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 7: out there.

826
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: While this woman up, I no wanted to chick but retire,

827
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: and they charge you money anyway.

828
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: You can get me for a steal.

829
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 7: Don't say that, don't You don't need to know how

830
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 7: much you're walking around.

831
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: Me and to pay them all.

832
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 6: Congratulations on your first hundred episodes, Danielle.

833
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 8: Okay, so first of all, I have I'm continuing to

834
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 8: set the record straight and every platform I possibly can't.

835
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 8: I was never offered a reboot really, okay, there was

836
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 8: no script, there was no producer attached. They made Fuller House,

837
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 8: and you know, our top executive producer, you know, really

838
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 8: was kind of showing me a different side of himself

839
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 8: unfortunately than I was really sad to see because I'm

840
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 8: really brought up just admiring this guy and putting him

841
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 8: on a pedestal my entire life. And he just came

842
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 8: to me with a blind studio contract and said, you

843
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 8: will get paid half the amount of money you got

844
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 8: paid for your you know, your on your last day

845
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 8: on the show, and you know we're gonna make thirteen

846
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 8: episodes if we sell the show, and going to create

847
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 8: the show.

848
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 7: And I'm like, so, I don't get to see a script,

849
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 7: I don't have a hand in who are going to

850
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 7: be the showrunners.

851
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: Nothing.

852
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 8: You just think in your silly mind that my life

853
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 8: might be so bad right now that I'll just take

854
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 8: half of what I made and you get to come

855
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 8: back to me in a holding deal within six months

856
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 8: and tell me when I have to report to work.

857
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 3: Right So, when I fraged like.

858
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 8: That with people, it's like, guys, that total ain't that's

859
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 8: not a reboot, and b that's not a fair offer,

860
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 8: and and and I don't want people think. Oh and

861
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 8: the worst part about it was he he then said, well,

862
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 8: you know, Herod and carl And and Aunt Rachel, they'll

863
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 8: stop by from time to time, so it's hurtful to

864
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 8: me when I have to hear the adults sometimes talk

865
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 8: about how difficult I was, and it's there and I'm like, guys.

866
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: The show that they he even pitched me didn't include you,

867
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: right looking, So you.

868
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 8: Think I've cut you out of some you know, opportunity

869
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 8: to do a reboot and they have no plans to

870
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 8: include you, you know, right, That's what I tell you, Danny,

871
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 8: I said, it's about that information and how it goes down,

872
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 8: and if you don't know what you don't know, you

873
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 8: end up looking a little silly. So the worst job

874
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 8: that I actually turned down, though, was celebrity rehab. Yeah,

875
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 8: these efforts called.

876
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 3: Me and we're like, you know, you know, Juliana doesn't

877
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: have any substance abuse problems.

878
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 7: And I went right around that, you know, we you know,

879
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 7: we like, it's the demographic for our show.

880
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: And they offered me more money.

881
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 7: They basically were like, we'll.

882
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: Pay you more to just save.

883
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 5: Just just take these drugs for a week and then

884
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 5: you're perfect, right.

885
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 8: They don't the average person doesn't get it. And now

886
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 8: we get to do this on a zoom from allations.

887
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we get offers every day to ruin

888
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: our lives.

889
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, and they come in email form exactly.

890
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're so right that the most that the

891
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: the the feeling really is have you been irrelevant long

892
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: enough that now.

893
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: You'll take us up on this?

894
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 5: Yep?

895
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 6: Yep?

896
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 3: Right?

897
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: Are you feeling bad enough yet that I can that

898
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: I can drop this in your email box and have

899
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: you go, well, I guess I really should make some money.

900
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's or you just want to stay in the

901
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 4: industry because you know, we all to be freaking still

902
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 4: lucky to be here.

903
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, have to be relevant and yeah.

904
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 6: To play on that insecure, do whatever is asked of

905
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 6: you just to be on camera, and that's just not

906
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 6: the case for most of us. Like now we're I'm

907
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 6: not going to do that. I can't believe they wanted

908
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 6: you to fake a substance abuse problem to come on

909
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 6: Celebrity Rehab. That's insane to me. Oh wow wow.

910
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: It is also something we've talked about on this on

911
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: this podcast.

912
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: That another thing people don't really know is that we

913
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: have careers outside of on camera work. If they think

914
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: if they don't see us on their TV screen, we

915
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: must be out of work as opposed to not working

916
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: on camera anymore, which maybe we're out of on camera work.

917
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that's my choice, maybe that's because we haven't booked anything,

918
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: who knows. But they also just assume you must be

919
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: doing absolutely nothing, even though most of us have found

920
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: ways of having fulfilling careers and jobs way outside of

921
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: being on camera.

922
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 8: It's funny of the I'm gonna use an actual space

923
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 8: metaphor given my background, but by the time you see

924
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 8: a star based on how much time it takes the

925
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 8: light to travel, the.

926
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 3: Star is dead.

927
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

928
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, So when you see a person on a talk

929
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 8: show or whatever project that's come out, that project is

930
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 8: long dead. Yeah, We've already done the work. So when

931
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 8: you see me, actually, that's evidence of the work that

932
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 8: I've long.

933
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: Been doing exactly.

934
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, And people don't necessarily compute that.

935
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 8: I think one of the toughest questions that I've never

936
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 8: had good emotional responses to is when you're promoting something,

937
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 8: and right on the heels of promoting something, people say, well.

938
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 7: What else do you have coming up next?

939
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, it took us two or three

940
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 2: years just to get.

941
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 5: This out just enough. Are you not entertained?

942
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: Exactly have you worked with as an adult? Now have

943
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: you worked with kid actors?

944
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: And how do you think your experience having been a

945
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: child actor has now shaped the type of actor you

946
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: are as an adult.

947
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 7: So it's funny.

948
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 8: So I have two different experiences that are standout. I

949
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 8: have several, actually, but I did a show called Me,

950
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 8: Myself and I on CBS and it's started Jack Jack Blazer,

951
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 8: Jack Dylan Gras and.

952
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 7: He was one of the kids from it. Yes, So

953
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 7: when it came out, I remember when we started the show.

954
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 7: We started the show.

955
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 8: It was basically a Wonder Years, but he was the

956
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 8: center of it, except it was telling the story of

957
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 8: one man's life at three different portions of his life,

958
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 8: so at age twelve, at age thirty, and at age sixty.

959
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 8: I think they made their mistake by doing the age

960
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 8: sixty because Bobby Moonahan wasn't allowed to play himself at

961
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 8: age sixty, and they hired John lear Ket to play

962
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 8: Bobby Wanahan. And at Presto Or people were like, Bobby,

963
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 8: why is the person playing you in their sixties eight

964
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 8: inches taller than you. That's where that's where executives make

965
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 8: the dumbest decision in the world. We have to sit

966
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 8: on a stage and answer.

967
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: For it exactly.

968
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 6: Well, it's because that everyone knows in your mid fifties

969
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 6: is when you have that eight inch s Grotzburg.

970
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's.

971
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 6: Come on, I can't wait.

972
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 7: That deserves an apple.

973
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 8: So the thing I noticed about Jack was when we started,

974
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 8: he had like, you know, a couple hundred thousand followers

975
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 8: when we did the pilot.

976
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 5: By the time we.

977
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 8: Got canceled after it came out, he had two million

978
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 8: freaking followers.

979
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 7: And guess what time our show was programmed on CBS. Wow,

980
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 7: these freaking geniuses.

981
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 8: Have the hottest, cutest little boy with perfect, freaking brown

982
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 8: locks that.

983
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 7: Little girls are loving everywhere.

984
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: Their response to that is, let's.

985
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: Put him on after their kids go to bed when

986
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: they won't be able to watch him.

987
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 5: Amazing.

988
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got an other one kids I worked with.

989
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 7: I worked on a show called The Big Show Show.

990
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 7: I started The Big Show on Netflix, and I really

991
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 7: enjoyed this show.

992
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: I really did.

993
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 8: I was the best friend again, but I actually kind

994
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 8: of came up with a character and I had a

995
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 8: different way of speaking and everything, and I was really

996
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 8: enjoying it.

997
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: And I was happy that it was the Big show

998
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: show like Paul was such.

999
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 8: A good guy, and it was interesting watching the kids

1000
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 8: get better week after week, and it was the business

1001
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 8: model was though that WWE was going to take some

1002
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 8: of their retired wrestlers and start making sitcoms around them.

1003
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: But Netflix and.

1004
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 8: WWE, I found out on an adult level, really were

1005
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 8: on the same page of.

1006
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 7: Who was going to pay for the lion's share of

1007
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 7: the show.

1008
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 8: I think WWE made a huge mistake, and this is

1009
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 8: where people get cheap and create problems for themselves. People

1010
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 8: were enjoying the show, but I could tell by the

1011
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 8: end of the show that this dynamic that was going

1012
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 8: on between the network and our showrunners, our two showrunners,

1013
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 8: one of them didn't even show up on the for

1014
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 8: the last taping, and that's always a telltale signed I'm like,

1015
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 8: sod the show when you're not even here.

1016
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: To watch us perform. At the last us outkay so at.

1017
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 8: Table reading not to say sorry a curtain call for

1018
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 8: the last episode. I just remember the kids crying because

1019
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 8: they were just tears were running down their faces in

1020
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 8: anticipation of like will we get picked up and will

1021
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 8: we ever see each other again? And that sucks because

1022
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 8: I'm like I know they are standing there.

1023
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 7: I was like, we're not coming back.

1024
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1025
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 7: I just my professional brain is kicking in.

1026
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: I was like, that other producer is not here tonight,

1027
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: and I know that it's been going on.

1028
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 7: In the background and we're not coming back.

1029
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, And so that was It's tough when I'm watching

1030
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 8: kids enjoy them to that degree where it's like the

1031
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 8: last day of school for them and they're crying and

1032
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 8: it's like signed my yearbook kind of vibes right, and

1033
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 8: I'm like, damn, but I know you're not coming back.

1034
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 8: The last one that I'm actually I have good vibes

1035
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 8: for is I actually I'm in Disney Skeleton Crew. Yeah,

1036
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 8: I shouldn't say Disney Star Wars, Star Wars Universe Skeleton Crew.

1037
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 8: I don't talk too much about it because I really

1038
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 8: do like the focus to stay on the kids. Robbie

1039
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 8: and Ryan and Christia. They're just they're They're terrific kids.

1040
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: But when I tell you, the production value behind them

1041
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: is like, this ain't no sitcom. They see.

1042
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 7: This was one of the biggest sets I've ever been

1043
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 7: on in my career. And you know, I get to

1044
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 7: do my pul QW because I'm a pirate, you know.

1045
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 7: But it's just like for me, it's it's so enjoyable

1046
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 7: for me.

1047
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 8: I remember just being in between takes and just you know,

1048
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 8: have conversations with them and this or that and you

1049
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 8: know who's a better rapper and get there. There's still

1050
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 8: such kids, you know, and I'd see like boxes of

1051
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 8: empty crumble outside of their classroom and be out as

1052
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 8: hell in the classroom, and I'm like, well, I know what,

1053
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 8: it's loud in the classroom, look at all the crumbled

1054
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 8: in consum.

1055
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 7: Gets so nostalgic to look at them work. I cheer

1056
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 7: for them.

1057
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 8: It's like I'm working alongside them, but I'm like, I

1058
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 8: hope you get a chance to do it big enough

1059
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 8: that the business doesn't play, you know, you get a

1060
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 8: chance to put away enough money, you get a chance

1061
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 8: to do enough episodes that it it wasn't a swing

1062
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 8: and a miss or a bunt.

1063
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 7: But you know, it's like the guys from Stranger.

1064
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 3: Things, they're set, you know, like right right, like they

1065
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: did it where it's like okay, yeah, they got to

1066
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: work like everybody else to move on to their next project,

1067
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 3: but they're set.

1068
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 6: You know.

1069
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 8: It landed in such a way that they're all icons,

1070
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 8: and I'm hoping that for these kids too, because they

1071
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 8: deserve it.

1072
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 6: Well, it looks great. I mean, I'm the resident nerd

1073
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 6: here and looking at all the you know, Star Wars shows.

1074
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 6: We were just talking this weekend actually about how it's

1075
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 6: like they've kind of lost the Star Wars vibe. And

1076
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 6: then I saw the trailer for Skeleton Crew and I

1077
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 6: was like, Yeah, that's the vibe. That's what I'm looking

1078
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 6: for right there. That's the Star Wars we're looking for.

1079
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 6: So I think this could be, you know, I don't know,

1080
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 6: but I'm hoping it is the success that Star Wars

1081
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 6: needs right now because it looks like a whole It

1082
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 6: was like, it's like that vibe of Gooni's but in space,

1083
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 6: you know. So that's something that I think is lacking

1084
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 6: in the Star Wars world. So I think it's going

1085
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 6: to be. I mean, if you haven't seen the trailer rider,

1086
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 6: it looks.

1087
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 7: John Watson, John Wats is a badass creator.

1088
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 8: You know, they're just I don't know, Like I said,

1089
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 8: I told you guys at the beginning, I kind of

1090
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 8: have an eye for people who just have the thing

1091
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 8: and just being on set with him and the two

1092
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 8: Chris is the executive producers. They know what they want,

1093
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 8: and I don't think people understand. For as much as

1094
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 8: we get criticized or what we may or may not

1095
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 8: have done in our careers, we're only as good as

1096
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 8: the people we get to work for.

1097
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 7: Do you know how many people I've worked for who

1098
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 7: had no idea what they.

1099
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: Wanted or even how to achieve it? And you know

1100
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: it early on set well, like oh this do it

1101
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: on the right.

1102
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 8: This was the complete opposite, Like you know, Lee Isaac

1103
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 8: Chung was one of our directors, the director Twister. This dude,

1104
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 8: just his handling of a set of this size and magnitude,

1105
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 8: it's just you're just you're all watching him, like I

1106
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 8: love it when the stars of our project are not

1107
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 8: the people on the screen.

1108
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 7: It's the cinematographer, it's the.

1109
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 8: Director, it's this guy doing the sound in the doing

1110
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 8: the musical score. When that happens, my job is easy, I.

1111
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 7: Say, my mind.

1112
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: And like you said, as we've was, we've all talked

1113
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: about one of the hardest parts about being an adult actor.

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Speaker 1: You don't think about it when you're a kid, but

1115
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: once you are an adult and you realize man every

1116
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: It takes all of these people to make a project,

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00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: and not all of these people are necessarily.

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00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: Doing a great job. But I'm the face of it.

1119
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm the one who has to go out and speak

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Speaker 2: for it. I'm the one who gets asked the questions.

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00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: And now all of this is on my shoulders, and

1122
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: people think I'm somehow responsible for all of it, and

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00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: and that becomes a really like, oh, I don't I don't.

1124
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Speaker 2: Want to take that on.

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00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: So when you, like you said, when you look around

1126
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: and you go look at these superstars, it make you

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00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: feel a lot more comfortable being the face of something.

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Speaker 7: I think it makes me. I'm super comfortable.

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Speaker 8: And the best part is I'm not the fast Listen,

1130
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 8: I'm a supporting pirate, right But I don't think you know,

1131
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 8: I always want people to understand that everything I've ever

1132
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 8: done in my.

1133
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 7: Career has been about the audience experience.

1134
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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's we get joy when we know you enjoyed

1136
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: what we've done. Yeah, and it didn't croach on our

1137
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 3: dignity anyway. You know, reality TV.

1138
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 8: Ushered in a different era that says, hey, how can

1139
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 8: we humiliate you and call it good TV?

1140
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 7: I'm like I don't want to be a part of

1141
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 7: car wreck entertainment.

1142
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 8: Like that's not socially responsible, it's not even good for

1143
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 8: my own mental health.

1144
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 7: I got asked to be in some I won't say

1145
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 7: the name of the show. I mean, you're pretty much guessed.

1146
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 8: But it was one of those kind of like you know,

1147
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 8: boot camp type shows where they wanted us.

1148
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 3: To live, you know, in you know, Belgium or whatever,

1149
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 3: in some place where with only rocks that look like

1150
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 3: an area that should be in Game of Thrones, and

1151
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: we're submerged in water and tortured with Chinese you know,

1152
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 3: Chinese torture or whatnot.

1153
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 8: And it's like, okay, how much And it was like, okay,

1154
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 8: I didn't even say how much. I said, let me

1155
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 8: see the original show from Europe. That no, I said,

1156
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 8: I don't even want to know how much you're offering.

1157
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 8: Let me see the original show from Europe. I saw

1158
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 8: the way they would torture any dudes, and I'm like,

1159
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 8: so you expect me to leave my daughter, move to

1160
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 8: Belgium or wherever and be tortured for six weeks. And

1161
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 8: by the way, they don't give you all the money

1162
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 8: unless you lax. If you have like, you know some issues, you.

1163
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 7: Need to get off the show early in two weeks.

1164
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 7: You're not getting the you know, the dangle two hundred

1165
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 7: thousand whatever.

1166
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: So I turned it down and came back with five.

1167
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 7: Hundred thousand, six hundred thousand.

1168
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: I was like, this is crazy.

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00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 7: You will pay me more to see me be abused

1170
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 7: on screen and just do what I love at the

1171
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 7: clip that I know it should be done.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, if that, it'll just be a bunch of

1173
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 6: child actors doing hunger games. Yes, I mean that's where

1174
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 6: that's where hap is. Just let's see what's that you

1175
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 6: guys are going down?

1176
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: Yes, he's lasting til the end.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

1178
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 5: Oh man.

1179
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: Well, now you have written Growing Up Arkle, a memoir,

1180
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: and I want to.

1181
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: Know before I want to know about the book and

1182
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: all of that, but I want to know what was

1183
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: the process like for you? What was your writing process?

1184
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: Did you how did you plan out your chapters? I

1185
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: want to know, like the nitty gritty details about you

1186
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: as an author, What was your process?

1187
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 8: Like, I've been writing since I was seventeen, So I

1188
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 8: made the mistake and I'll own it of not getting

1189
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 8: into books earlier.

1190
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Speaker 7: But you know, you can want to be in an industry.

1191
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 8: But if you don't have a champion in that industry, yeah,

1192
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 8: you're probably going to start in that industry well below

1193
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 8: where you should. So you know, people say why now,

1194
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 8: and I'm like, well, because this, certainly, this opportunity beats

1195
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 8: anything that would have happened to me if self published.

1196
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 7: Right, you know, you you can't fight the machine.

1197
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 8: And I was very fortunate that between the two publishing houses,

1198
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 8: I started writing down basically just answers to questions people.

1199
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Speaker 7: Have answered asked me all the years.

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Speaker 3: By the time I just answered those in literary form,

1201
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: I had enough for a book proposal.

1202
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 7: And then there was a process where the.

1203
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 8: Different publishing houses, three in particular, came forward, but one

1204
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 8: just stood out, Simon and.

1205
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 7: Schuster above all. It was like, we really liked the proposal,

1206
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 7: and you know, we just you know, we want to

1207
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 7: make you a very special project. A lot of late

1208
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 7: nights writing.

1209
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 8: I'm a game show host now with the flip side,

1210
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 8: so you know, sometimes I'd have to do deal with

1211
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 8: edits after six episodes in a day, so that part

1212
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 8: wasn't necessarily so fun. You know, once somebody pays you

1213
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 8: to do something, now you're on their deliverable time schedule. Yes,

1214
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 8: you know, that's that's where it becomes a job again.

1215
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 8: My first draft I hated, I absolutely hated.

1216
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Speaker 6: Like.

1217
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 3: It was probably about a solid week of what the

1218
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: hell have I done? So I'm just I'm honest. I'm

1219
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: like you.

1220
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: You know, if you.

1221
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 7: If you turn in any if you try to bring

1222
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 7: some of your past papers you turned into school, tell

1223
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 7: me if you'll like them.

1224
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 8: All right, But after about two weeks of really dealing

1225
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 8: with my editor, now.

1226
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 3: Oh okay, put this here, we were this here, put this.

1227
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Speaker 7: With their okay, now, I started to see the magic

1228
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 7: of this thing for me.

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Speaker 8: It really started to become a book about going from

1230
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 8: the journey of being humble to being aware. And I

1231
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 8: think those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

1232
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 8: You can be a kind person and you can still

1233
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 8: be very aware of people.

1234
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 7: Around you who do not have good intentions for you.

1235
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 7: And as child actors, I think you guys know exactly

1236
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 7: what I mean.

1237
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 8: Where we are, we are taught to be such troopers,

1238
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 8: to tough it out to deliver when we haven't even

1239
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 8: been given the goods to deliver.

1240
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: That is like and I'm like writer, I can see

1241
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: you perking up at this right, and I'm like, we've

1242
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: been We've.

1243
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 8: Been conditioned that way to not feel like we even

1244
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 8: have the option to say no.

1245
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 7: That doesn't work for me. I've never even had a.

1246
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 8: Moment on a set, no matter how bad it got

1247
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 8: or how bad I knew the project would end up

1248
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 8: being where I said, excused myself from production, where I said,

1249
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I know this is gonna suck, so I'm

1250
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 8: gonna bow out, take your money back, I'm gone.

1251
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Speaker 3: The child after brain.

1252
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 7: To me is like you ruin.

1253
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: We could get there, we can do it, we can

1254
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: say this yes.

1255
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: And that's part of the therapy that I'm even.

1256
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 5: Just avoiding conflict, yeah, just aborting contest. Feel like I

1257
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 5: couldn't make waves, Yeah, of course not.

1258
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, It's like you're you're you're as a

1259
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 4: child actor, you're the best thing you do is to

1260
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 4: like go along, to get along, to deliver your and

1261
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 4: And I remember just watching like older actors and being like, wow,

1262
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 4: they're they're making so many much conflict. In retrospect, they

1263
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 4: were standing up for themselves in really proper ways most

1264
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 4: of the time. But I was like, you know, I

1265
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 4: wasn't until I was an adult, I was like, I

1266
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 4: don't have the tools to stand up for myself. I'm

1267
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 4: so scared of conflict on set, which is conflict is

1268
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 4: part of the process, Like you should have different opinions

1269
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 4: and different you know, it's a collaborative art form.

1270
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 5: But no, I always had in my mind like, yeah,

1271
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Speaker 5: I gotta be a trooper.

1272
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: The trooper is the number one compliment as a kid

1273
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: that you want to hear. Oh, so easy to work with.

1274
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: Such a trooper takes direction. Well, yeah, we have all through.

1275
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: Certainly this podcast has been incredibly therapeutic for us of

1276
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: being able to look back and it.

1277
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: Could have gone one of it could have gone the

1278
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: other way.

1279
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: Instead of it feeling cathartic and healing, it could have

1280
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: been absolutely traumatizing. And I think because of the closeness

1281
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: of the three of us and the bonds that we

1282
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: have and our ability to look back and say, yes,

1283
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: that is that was the reality of the situation, or no,

1284
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: you're remembering it wrong and here's what's been going on,

1285
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: it's been really good for us. So I hope that

1286
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: the book has felt like that for you and that

1287
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: there was so much healing.

1288
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 7: It certainly has.

1289
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: Okay, good.

1290
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to get a copy of it

1291
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: next time I see you. I'd like for you to

1292
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: sign it for me.

1293
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: Would you do that for me?

1294
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 8: Absolutely? You should have my information anyway. I'll make sure

1295
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 8: you get it all right.

1296
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 5: Thank you?

1297
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 7: Well, should mean I've run to him a million times?

1298
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I do. I'll check, but I'm pretty sure.

1299
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

1300
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 7: Absolutely? That's that's easy. I'm not going to make you

1301
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 7: jump through agents and manage.

1302
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 2: It for that well, even I might have to, it's

1303
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 2: worth it. I would love that.

1304
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: I really hope that we get a chance to see

1305
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: you in person. There is something, as I mentioned, with

1306
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: us doing the podcast and it feeling cathartic.

1307
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: There is such a.

1308
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: Just a connectedness we all feel when we talk to

1309
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: people like yourself, when we talk to Candice Cameron, when

1310
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: we talk to Danica mckeller, people who have been doing

1311
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: it since they were kids, all of the child actors

1312
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: we've had on the show, and there is there's a

1313
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: shared history and a shared it's like a fraternity, it's

1314
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: a and it is there's just a knowing and it's

1315
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: a nice feeling to have that shared history with people

1316
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: and to be able to have these kinds of conversations,

1317
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,479
Speaker 1: and I think we're making the industry a better place

1318
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: for the kids who are coming up underneath us because

1319
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: we're able to talk about the fact that divide and

1320
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: conquer is a thing, and you know that you need

1321
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: to be on top of your agents because they may

1322
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: not even be looking out for your best interest. It's

1323
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: just I really, I really think it's a it's a

1324
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: service that we can that we can share. And it

1325
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: has been so wonderful to talk to you. We really

1326
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: thank you for spending your time with us this morning.

1327
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: Look for Skeleton Crew on Disney Plus and his memoir

1328
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: Growing Up Arkle.

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01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: We're so honored to have you here today, Julia. It

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Speaker 2: was great to see you. Hope to see you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy that waffle you earned it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you man. You guys are awesome. Seriously, we'll make

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Speaker 3: sure they have my number.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, yes, well, thank you in touch,

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Speaker 2: Thank you bye day.

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Speaker 1: It never ceases to amaze me how how much how

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Speaker 1: little we all knew, yeah back then, about the way

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Speaker 1: it worked.

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Speaker 6: You're also told constantly and you're just lucky to be here,

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Speaker 6: like not only it's like, hey, don't make ways don't

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Speaker 6: do anything. We can't there's no more money, there's anything.

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Speaker 6: You should just be proud to be here and be

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Speaker 6: doing this, and so all of us there is that

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Speaker 6: kind of combination. I mean, we hear that all the time.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's no more money, there's no more this,

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Speaker 6: or it's yeah.

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Speaker 4: It was so interesting to hear like that sort of

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Speaker 4: basic institutional division that I didn't think about, right, because

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Speaker 4: it's like, oh, we're all on tjif it was like,

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Speaker 4: but right, but which ones did we do crossovers with?

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Speaker 5: They were other Disney shows.

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Speaker 6: There's like yeah, right, right.

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Speaker 1: We had a question before about like why wouldn't we

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Speaker 1: have ever done anything with Sister Sister? Oh because there

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Speaker 1: wasn't enough money to be made for one company, right,

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Speaker 1: So none of the whole thing.

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Speaker 6: And I love how you hear how he speaks about

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Speaker 6: it now, where he's kind of it seems like he's

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Speaker 6: had an awakening and is like, no, I'm an adult

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Speaker 6: in this business and I'm I now know what to do.

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Speaker 6: And there's times where he's being labeled difficult, right because

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Speaker 6: he's actually asking questions and taking control of his career.

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Speaker 6: And now that well, you know, the child actor doesn't

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Speaker 6: want to do a reboot. It's like, wait, you want

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Speaker 6: me to sign a blind contract without a script, and

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Speaker 6: I'm just supposed to sit on my hands for half

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Speaker 6: the money. But now I'm somehow difficult to work with

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Speaker 6: because I won't just sign your contract. I mean, things

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Speaker 6: like that just drive me crazy. It's insane. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It also is such a good lesson in at the

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Speaker 1: things you say no to actually do more for your

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Speaker 1: career than the things you say yes to.

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Speaker 2: You know, the power of a well placed no.

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Speaker 6: Huge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They don't watch you until they can't have you. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden they want you. Yep, that's just

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Speaker 6: the way it is. So yeah, man, what a business.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for listening to this episode of

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