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Speaker 4: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: We're going to lead off this show with the very

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Speaker 2: latest on of those LA fires. The firefighters have made

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Speaker 2: some progress, but there is concerns that high winds will

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Speaker 2: be kicking back up, so we'll show you the latest

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Speaker 2: devastating images coming out of that great city. We're also

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Speaker 2: going to take a look at Mark Zuckerberg going on

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Speaker 2: with show Rogan making some claims.

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Speaker 4: Matt Stiller is going to be here.

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Speaker 1: We's had a change of heart.

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Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with anything genuine purely out

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Speaker 3: of the goodness of his hearties realized the error of

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Speaker 3: his decades of his way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just happens to also take great issue with

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Speaker 2: the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, just like Mark Andresen when

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Speaker 2: he went on Joe Rogan Show. So anyway, Matt Soller

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Speaker 2: be here to break that down. Very interesting situation. TikTok

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Speaker 2: is set to be bands. Supreme Court heard oral arguments

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Speaker 2: last week about, you know, making the case in either direction,

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Speaker 2: and they seem to be pretty divided, so very unclear

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Speaker 2: the future of TikTok's will break that down for you

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Speaker 2: as well. Have an incredible clip from MSNBC. Mika Brazinski

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Speaker 2: still thinks Joe Biden could have won, and Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: agrees Sager. So we've got some comments from the big

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Speaker 2: Man himself. I don't even know what to say about that.

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Speaker 4: At this point. I'm taking a look at.

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Speaker 2: The way that oligarchy contributed to these fires and many

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Speaker 2: other ills in our country and the world. And we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have Derek Thompson here from an alatic magazine. He

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Speaker 2: just wrote a big piece on how what this has become.

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Speaker 2: What he's describing as the anti social century. Trends that

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Speaker 2: have been in place in American life that have led

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Speaker 2: have been accelerated both by the pandemic, but I think

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Speaker 2: more in particular by our phones, and he's taking a

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Speaker 2: terms of our society. Really fascinating piece. A lot of

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Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, this is like all of the big social

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Speaker 3: trends of the last decade, even really like two decades,

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Speaker 3: I would say, and COVID accelerated it. But it is

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Speaker 3: a big crisis. We talk about here loneliness, young man, etc.

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Speaker 3: But it really is just all of us.

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Speaker 1: It's not about young people.

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Speaker 3: It's older people as well, and the pandemic and phones

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Speaker 3: technology have fundamentally reset the way Americans spend almost all

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Speaker 3: It's not an intentional decision, and I think that he

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Speaker 3: against it. Thank you very much to everybody who's been

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Speaker 3: supporting the show, we appreciate you. But let's get to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So you can go ahead and put these

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Speaker 2: of the latest fires that broke down, the Brentwood Fire.

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Speaker 2: These are goats that are being evacuated and brought to safety,

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Speaker 2: More than ten thousand structures damage, you're destroyed. The worst

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Speaker 2: They also are some of the worst in California history

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Speaker 2: it's just as absolutely apocalyptic. And the real concern SAGA

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Speaker 2: The strongest winds are expected to arrive before dawn on Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: doesn't look like it will end anytime soon, as heroic

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Speaker 1: Did the budget actually get cut? And we believe that

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Speaker 3: We believe we have arrived at the definitive statements. It

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Speaker 3: was cut by some seventeen million dollars. How it got

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Speaker 3: there is a little bit complicated. I'll let you explain that,

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Speaker 3: but I did want to settle that for everybody before

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Speaker 3: we played this clip of the LA Fire Chief, because

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Speaker 3: there were criticisms, people saying they're trying to allay their

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Speaker 3: shortfall of actual firefighters themselves, that this budget, immediate budget

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Speaker 3: is instead indicative of the fact that Los Angeles has

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Speaker 3: chronically underinvested in its public infrastructure and others, water management,

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Speaker 3: fire to disaster, and the big glaring question mark is

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Speaker 3: how does State Farm Insurance eight months ago look at

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Speaker 3: seventy percent of its coverage in Pacific Palisades and be like, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this ain't going to work. This is way too risky.

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Speaker 3: We need to pull every single one of these policies.

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Speaker 3: But the city itself is unable to see the exact

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's only so much they could do, right,

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Speaker 2: I Mean, the big picture here is climate fuel catastrophes,

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is the era that we live in.

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Speaker 2: But within the context of that, there's no doubt that

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Speaker 2: the fire department is underfunded. Now, the budgeting piece is complicated.

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Speaker 2: That's why you'll see competing narratives and a lot of

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Speaker 2: by some market percentage. So I'll get to some of

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Speaker 2: At the same time, the LA Fire Chief christ And

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Speaker 2: Crowley is mincing no words in her frustration about the

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Speaker 2: expressing fresh frustration with LA Mayor Karen Bass. Here she

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Speaker 5: Let me be clear, the seventeen million dollar budget cut

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Speaker 5: and the elimination of our civilian positions like our mechanics

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Speaker 5: have enough firefighters. With that, I have also requested multiple budgets,

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Speaker 5: interim budgets to show how understaffed, under resource and underfunded

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Speaker 2: So there you have the fire department chief herself saying yes,

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Speaker 2: know it really goes beyond just this question of did

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Speaker 2: the focus on like there is no city, there is

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Speaker 2: the larger forces that made this conflagration so absolutely devastating. However,

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Speaker 2: climate catastrophes. So let me just read you a little

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Speaker 2: bit of this article from Jessica Burbank, who did all

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Speaker 2: the legwork on the reporting Here, she says, the LA

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Speaker 2: Fire Department knew it was severely underfunded long before this fire.

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Speaker 3: Well, part of the why it's so absurd, at least

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Speaker 1: What are you guys doing with this money?

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Speaker 3: So I think that's one question, But like two is

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Speaker 1: I also, you know, I was looking in the past.

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Speaker 3: Fire has been a long time problem in the city

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Speaker 1: So a little bit of a lesson there.

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Speaker 3: I come from Texas to where we have orders, you know,

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Speaker 6: It seems like you're trying to walk a very fine

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Speaker 7: Been pretty straightforward about that. He's tried to do it

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Speaker 6: What's the disinformation you were referring to in the letter

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, look what the President elect was saying

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Speaker 7: It's a salad. It's a form and substance of fog.

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Speaker 7: It's made up. It's delusional, and it's a consistent mantra

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Speaker 2: He's referring, i think specifically to Trump has long talked

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Speaker 2: In addition, Newsom has actually increased by millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: But from what I was reading, the reservoirs were actually

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Speaker 1: Well they were filled and then they got dreat Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I in general, what I usually see with this

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Speaker 1: But in general, like that's kind of how.

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Speaker 1: Sure yea, which is, you know, a place where we

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Speaker 2: The left are the ones who were raising the problems

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Speaker 2: But again, no city is going to be able to

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Speaker 2: change is ongoing. That cover up is ongoing, and there

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Speaker 3: I mean, the truth is everybody no. No, Well people

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Speaker 3: know the truth is no. Because the proposition is what

437
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Speaker 3: we need an all electric future. We need to get

438
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Speaker 3: rid of fossil fuels. Sters as bullshit. It's not going

439
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Speaker 3: to happen. It's not no, people are not going to

440
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Speaker 3: People first of all, don't want to do that. People

441
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Speaker 3: are not going to do that. It's not reality in

442
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Speaker 3: terms of the way it would happen. But here's the

443
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Speaker 3: only way.

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Speaker 2: That Manhattan's reason, which again that's the reason why people

445
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,959
Speaker 2: on the right rather than acknowledging that the client climate

446
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: change has fueled these extreme catastrophes, which could help to

447
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Speaker 2: mount a public campaign to collectively try to address the problem,

448
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: as we also do, because we've already arrived. You know,

449
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: last year was the hottest year on record, the last

450
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Speaker 2: decade have been the hottest ten years on a record.

451
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Speaker 2: We're already past one point five degrees celsius increase from

452
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Speaker 2: pre industrial times, so we've already arrived here. So you're right,

453
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Speaker 2: there needs to be massive investment in mitigation. But rather

454
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Speaker 2: than doing that, the focus is on these you know,

455
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Speaker 2: what happened with the fire hydrants or oh it's DEI.

456
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 2: Look they've got a woman fire chief. That's really the

457
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: problem here, and so there is a massive distraction campaign

458
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Speaker 2: to keep people from actually grappling with the underlying causes

459
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Speaker 2: here that are leading not just to this particular situation,

460
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Speaker 2: but also you know, help fuel the devastating hurricanes that

461
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Speaker 2: flooded and you know, were a total disaster for western

462
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Speaker 2: north Line and other regions that have made Florida effectively unensurable.

463
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Speaker 2: Like all of these things fit together, but instead it's oh,

464
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Speaker 2: it's DEI it's wokeism. It's the you know, the fire

465
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Speaker 2: department getting cut whatever, when the bigger picture here is rightly.

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Speaker 3: But here's the problem is that by denying the fact

467
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Speaker 3: that there's these articles from the La Times like if

468
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Speaker 3: LAFD is too white seems like a bit of an issue.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a pure competence problem for me. I

470
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Speaker 1: don't care what color.

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Speaker 2: Any seem pretty competent with me. What's up that lady

472
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Speaker 2: is running the fire department seems pretty.

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Speaker 3: Com I'm not talking about her specifically, I'm talking about

474
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Speaker 3: the fact that at a time in twenty twenty one,

475
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Speaker 3: there literally were articles about DEI in the LA Fire Department.

476
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Speaker 1: I think that's a problem.

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Speaker 3: I think competency itself is the core for what all

478
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Speaker 3: functions of life saving organizations should be. I mean, I'm

479
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Speaker 3: not going to get into specifically parsing like why are

480
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Speaker 3: all these lesbians in the fire department which appears to

481
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Speaker 3: be like a Vogue thing online. Instead, I would say, look,

482
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Speaker 3: I don't care who you are, can you do the job?

483
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Speaker 3: Are we making sure the standards are there? And so

484
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Speaker 3: that is in my opinion, the problem is is that

485
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Speaker 3: nothing has ever comes to mitigation and what do you have.

486
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Speaker 4: That any of them are not competent?

487
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Speaker 1: I have I'm not talking about that.

488
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Speaker 3: I'm saying a culture around ensuring that we have more

489
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Speaker 3: black or lesbian firefighters does not seem to me to

490
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Speaker 3: comport with a culture you have competent evidence itself.

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Speaker 4: You have no evidence well that that has had.

492
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Speaker 1: A systematic sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I expect there to be evidence. If

494
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Speaker 4: you make a clim.

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Speaker 3: Okay, then what evidence do you have that in a

496
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Speaker 3: pure white fire department can't do the best job.

497
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Speaker 1: I mean, That's what I'm saying.

498
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Speaker 3: DEI itself is a nonsensical thing that prioritizes equity.

499
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Speaker 2: For the pake a distraction though, like how okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you think that if you had had a man in

501
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Speaker 2: charge of the fire dems, they could have stopped the fires? Like,

502
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Speaker 2: you have no evidence for that. You just assume that

503
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Speaker 2: because it's a woman, she's not good at the job,

504
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Speaker 2: or because she's a lesbian she not good at the job.

505
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that there has been that priority.

506
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Speaker 2: Raction from the core problem here, which is that you

507
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Speaker 2: have a twelve hundred year drought, you have the temperature

508
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: average temperature in Calvert is five degrees hotter. The Santa

509
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Speaker 2: Ana wins are nothing new. The reason it is so

510
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: devastating are because of those two factors. And that has

511
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Speaker 2: nothing to do whether there's a black person or a lesbian,

512
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Speaker 2: or a white lady or a white dude, and the

513
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Speaker 2: head of the fire department nothing to do with that.

514
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Speaker 3: What I am saying is that it is clear there

515
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Speaker 3: was a culture in the state of California and in

516
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Speaker 3: the LA Fire Department specifically to look at quote unquote

517
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Speaker 3: equity over the last three to four year period. Do

518
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Speaker 3: I think on average across all organizations corporate, fire, department, police, military,

519
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 3: that that culture competes with competency? Absolutely, yes, I do.

520
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Speaker 3: I am not personally indicting any of the people who

521
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Speaker 3: are at the top of this or looking at their

522
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Speaker 3: appearance and immediately making a judgment. I am saying, through

523
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Speaker 3: both experience through observation that DEI itself is something that

524
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Speaker 3: is generally the enemy of competence. It is on the

525
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Speaker 3: people who are going to racially discriminate against others to

526
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Speaker 3: prove that racial discrimination were sexual discrimination is better for it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think is the.

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Speaker 4: More important problem here?

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Speaker 1: That's not what are you think about, but.

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Speaker 2: Why focus on it then if it's not that important,

531
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Speaker 2: because it obviously is.

532
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Speaker 4: What is the number one factor here causing these fires?

533
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Speaker 3: In your what is the number one that led to

534
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Speaker 3: the devastation, drought conditions and win of course again.

535
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Speaker 4: So let's talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Then you think about it, Dodge, you know, climate change, whatever.

537
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: Why are these lefties so obsessed with climate.

538
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Speaker 1: Change because the number one thing.

539
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Speaker 2: Driving this devastation from the western North Carolina devastations.

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Speaker 4: That is not true. It is just simply not true.

541
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: Go look at how popular the Paris Climate Accords work.

542
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: Investments in green problem.

543
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 2: Go look at how popular investments in green energy are.

544
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Speaker 2: But the thing is soger too, that you act like

545
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Speaker 2: public opinion is just this static thing that just sits

546
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 2: there and is what it is, versus something that is

547
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: malleable and shapeable, and that people change their mind based on.

548
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Speaker 2: I don't know their home being destroyed by climate few catastrophe,

549
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: whether they're here or.

550
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Speaker 4: In western North Carolina.

551
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I as someone who analyzes these situations, of course,

552
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Speaker 2: I'm going to focus on the number one factor that

553
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: is causing these absolute cataclysms here and around the world,

554
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: and really is going to contribute to destabilizing the entire globe.

555
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Speaker 3: So the reason why I talk about it is I

556
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: think that the way it codes, and this is what

557
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: many people who talk about it are not able to do,

558
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: is they are unable to communicate this in a manner

559
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: which does not tell American citizens that their lives are

560
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: not going to be significantly curtailed, which I think their

561
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: true reality of most of this discussion is is, Oh,

562
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Speaker 3: we have to get rid of cars that have too

563
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: much emissions. We have to significantly curtail the way that

564
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: we consume goods. We have to reduce our quote unquote

565
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: carbon footprint, which means what which means that the price

566
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: of all this stuff is going to go up. Consumption

567
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Speaker 3: itself is go down. I don't even necessarily think that's

568
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: a bad thing per se. It's going to be tough

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Speaker 3: in a hyperindividualistic and consumer capitalist society, which is the

570
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: United States. So the way that this stuff is communicated

571
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 3: is usually you're the problem, our whole society is the issue,

572
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Speaker 3: or some imaginary like you know wealth tax of fifteen

573
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Speaker 3: to change.

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Speaker 2: From the bulk of emissions are from the you know,

575
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Speaker 2: giant corporations and the wealthy and by the way. What

576
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: is going to increasingly fuel carbon emissions is this race

577
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 2: for AI development, which is incredibly resource intensive, which we're

578
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 2: having no conversation in debate about. But the reality is

579
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 2: we have the technology to be able to do this.

580
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Speaker 2: It just requires collective Yes, large scale federal government led collective.

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Speaker 3: Action give it significantly changing the American way of life,

582
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Speaker 3: which I think that post people don't want to do.

583
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Speaker 4: I don't, but I often think that's true.

584
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Speaker 3: But there are studies, for example, in Louisiana where they

585
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Speaker 3: have major there was the oil I forget exactly the

586
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: facilities that were there. There's a good book about it,

587
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: and I'm removing the name. The people there who are

588
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: the most affected by the oil industry and others are

589
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: the most Republican because they are like, listen at the

590
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Speaker 3: end of the day, even though they're literally being poisoned by.

591
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Speaker 4: Some of them their livelihoods.

592
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: But their distraction, Yeah, But their point was is that

593
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Speaker 3: it's clear to me that the left of the Green

594
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Speaker 3: New Deal, et cetera wants to do away with my job,

595
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Speaker 3: and I don't trust what they're.

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Speaker 2: Going to do because we told them that. I wasn't

597
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Speaker 2: the left that told them that it was the right

598
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Speaker 2: that told them that.

599
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Speaker 4: You think that there it's for me. I think that

600
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Speaker 4: they've looked.

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Speaker 2: At I think they've looked at the at the failures

602
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: of the government in the past and things like NAFTA

603
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: to be able to deliver a quality of life. But

604
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Speaker 2: I mean, again, I'm not saying it's an easy problem.

605
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Speaker 2: But how is the American quality? How's the American way

606
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: of life going in la right now? How's the American

607
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: way of life going in Asheville, North Carolina right now?

608
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: How's the American way of life going in huge parts

609
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: of the Gulf coasts that have been devastated by hurricanes

610
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: and aren't going to be How's the American way of

611
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Speaker 2: life going in Miami where when it rains, it just

612
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Speaker 2: like you know.

613
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Speaker 4: Floods the whole city.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's yes, there would be a cost, there

615
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: would be a transition peer period. But the consequences of

616
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Speaker 2: not acting like you ignore the consequences of not acting

617
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm ignorant, and those are absolutely grave and dire. And instead,

618
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: you know, I want to talk about like, oh, there's

619
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Speaker 2: a lesbian in charge of the fire department.

620
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Speaker 4: Isn't that the real problem?

621
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Speaker 3: Not the real Roman too, for the fact that we're

622
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Speaker 3: talking about DEI itself, which has been pervaded through the

623
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Speaker 3: California government, but beyond that, which is bringing it to

624
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Speaker 3: a democratic question. People have been bombarded with propaganda since

625
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Speaker 3: I was probably born that oh, everything is horrible, the

626
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Speaker 3: sea levels are going to rise.

627
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Speaker 1: Many of these predictions don't.

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Speaker 3: End up being true, which then ignore No, but it's

629
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Speaker 3: not because people said, oh, X amount of coastline was

630
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Speaker 3: going to disappear by what is it? Twenty twenty five

631
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Speaker 3: didn't happen the same You know, catastrophic language is being

632
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: used over and over again. People don't feel or see

633
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Speaker 3: the fact that things are changing all that much beyond

634
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Speaker 3: hurricanes and or fires. I think we should speak pragmatically.

635
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Speaker 3: We can both accept that there will be more fire,

636
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Speaker 3: more hurricane, et cetera, and say, okay, so what are

637
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Speaker 3: we going to do about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, we have to invest a lot more money.

639
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Speaker 3: And this is and this we don't necessarily just say, oh,

640
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: all electric cars are going to be driven in the

641
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: state of California by twenty thirty, ridiculous, absurd, never going

642
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 3: to happen in the first place. We at the end

643
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: of the day it's about a consumptive mindset, which fundamentally

644
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Speaker 3: you're talking there about transition that requires a lot of

645
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: trust from people that their lives and their jobs and

646
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Speaker 3: all this quote unquote just transition language was going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is any.

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Speaker 3: Reason, after the failures of COVID or after the last

649
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Speaker 3: five years, to say that would be competently managed or

650
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: it would be one in which we should as a

651
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Speaker 3: vision buy into. We have probably one of the most

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Speaker 3: adomized individualistic times in modern American history.

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Speaker 1: I think is a lot of reasons for that, and

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Speaker 1: in and immigration being number one.

655
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Speaker 3: But in all of that, in all of that there

656
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Speaker 3: you will not get to a point where everyone's just

657
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: going to buy into this kumbaya like, oh, I'm going

658
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: to give up, you know, thirty percent of my consumption versus.

659
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Speaker 4: Quote unquote making that up Donald.

660
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: Trump, whose against electric vehicle.

661
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: Modets, Sorry, I'm what I'm up is the thirty part.

662
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: You're going to have to reduce your consumption thirty percent.

663
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

664
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Speaker 2: I think maybe if you're maybe if you're like, you know,

665
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: one of the an Elon Musk of the world, maybe

666
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: that might require some sacrifice. But I mean what you're

667
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: basically saying is we can't solve any big.

668
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 4: Collection together, Like, just give up. We can't.

669
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: We cannot solve any big collective problem. We're too adomized,

670
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: we're too individual, So forget about it. Just let a

671
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: rip and hope that you're one of the people who

672
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: can afford the private firefighters when it comes for your house,

673
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: because that's the track that we're on right now is

674
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: just basically like every man for themselves. If you're rich,

675
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: you can rebuild. If you're poor, like, sorry, you can't

676
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: get home insurance, you're screwed. And uh, you know, the

677
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: fire department is being cut because billionaires don't want to

678
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: pay taxes. So you're just basically have to pray that

679
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: you're you and your loved ones are.

680
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: Going to be able to make it.

681
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: Probably.

682
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not defending billionaire tax levels, but don't they

683
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: pay the most tax in anybody else in the state

684
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Speaker 3: of California.

685
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what I'm talking about. This is

686
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: a fun This is a state with.

687
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: What present of their income they pay intact.

688
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Probably five to seb By the way, I'm not.

689
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: Defending next to nothing intact.

690
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: I am not defending billionaire tax rates. What I'm saying

691
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: is California is a G seven nation in and of itself.

692
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: I think it would be G five if it were

693
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: its own independent country. So the idea it's not wealthy

694
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: enough to handle this seems ridiculous to me. There are

695
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: plenty of developed nations all across the world that seem

696
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: to have a much better and more competent fire and

697
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: hurricane disaster relief, Japan being one of them. My point

698
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: is is that it's clear, within the context of mitigation itself,

699
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: a lot more can be done democratically. If you want

700
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: to continue to make the case for lack of consumption,

701
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: et cetera, you can. I don't think it's going to work.

702
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the most honest discussion of climate

703
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: change we ever had was who was the person who

704
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: made the documentary with Michael Moore I'm forgetting the name

705
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: of it, and we talked a lot about here over

706
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: at Rising. We even interviewed him, and he was the

707
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: most honest person because he's like, yeah, if you're radically

708
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: cut consumption, I mean actual quiet part out loud that

709
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: came from most of the people who study carbon emissions,

710
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: et cetera. Was what was the single most important thing

711
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: for drop of carbon emissions. It's when everybody stayed at

712
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: home during COVID.

713
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: That's the truth.

714
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: That's if you actually wanted to see it a dramatic cut.

715
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 3: All of us have to stay at home, reduce our consumption,

716
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: stay inside.

717
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: People don't want to do that. We live in a

718
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Speaker 1: democratic society.

719
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: It just requires.

720
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Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, renewable energy technology has improved dramatically,

721
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: in particular, solar has improved dramatic.

722
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: But how is it made.

723
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: It's made in China from filthy materials. It has a

724
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: ton of emissions. The lifetime offset of a solar panel

725
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: of the United States will never offset the amount that

726
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: it requires to make it.

727
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: This is the problem you have to do.

728
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 3: We want to make these windmills, which again are not efficient.

729
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: They have what ten to twenty five percent carrying. The

730
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: most efficient power that we have is called nuclear power.

731
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to build it. Everyone's that's a phrase that's

732
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: not true either.

733
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Speaker 2: I mean, even the climate lats has embraced nuclear like

734
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: Grata has in.

735
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: The next reactor.

736
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: Nuclear it's not going to happen again.

737
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: Sagert like, Okay, so the way things are is just

738
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: how they're going to be. That's your position, and I

739
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: find that really, Look, you might be right, but I

740
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: have to say what I think would make a better

741
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: situation where we don't have to constantly be you know,

742
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 2: watching people tearfully talk about how all their possessions are

743
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: lost and they've had to flee the home that they've

744
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: lived in for decades and decades, and where parts of

745
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: the country are just increasingly uninhabitable, and where you can't

746
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: be in short, and where you know, the only people

747
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: who have a prayer of like surviving in a reasonable

748
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: fashion are the wealthy you can pay for the private

749
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: firefighters and you know, rebuild even if they don't have

750
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: homeowners insurance. Like you might be right that we're too

751
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: far gone to be able to deal with it. We

752
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: certainly have not dealt with it to this point. But

753
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: it's just not true that the technology doesn't exist. The

754
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: technology does exist. What doesn't exist is the will to

755
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: actually have the collective action required to try to tackle

756
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: this problem in a serious way, which you're right at

757
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: this point require a lot of mitigation, but also, you know,

758
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: rather than just letting a rip and see what happens

759
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: and it's two degrees celsius and when it's five degrees

760
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: celsius to actually try to, you know, get the trends

761
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: under control, because we do have the technology now game.

762
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: I think we do.

763
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: We've had the technologies. This nineteen seventy is called nuclear reactor.

764
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: And let me not let people off the hook.

765
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: Here's the truth. We actually want to build a nuclear actor.

766
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: Oh I don't want that in my neighborhood. It's too

767
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: unsafe and all this and so what happens.

768
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: We use bullshit zoning regulations to keep it out, and

769
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: we haven't built.

770
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Speaker 1: A new reactor in the United States. It's nineteen seventy six.

771
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: It's great that it leads people, and others are talking

772
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 3: about how good it is in practice. If the Federal

773
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: Nuclear Regulatory Commission green leader reactor tomorrow, it would still

774
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: probably take a decade before we were able to buy it.

775
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: The story out of Georgia is extremely black pilling for

776
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: both how much it costs, for the number of community pushback.

777
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: I just I feel like a democrat. There is a

778
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: democratic check on what is real and what is not.

779
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: I would love to see one fifteen hundred reactors across

780
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: this country, and then you can have as much AI

781
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: electric car and all of that as you want. We

782
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 3: don't have to burn a single you know, we don't

783
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 3: have to have any oil, natural gas, et cetera. It

784
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: will not happen because I know, you know, you can

785
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: see even today, this boomer fear of the reaction.

786
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: Is everywhere platform you have, Oh, I do more prone

787
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: to advocate for that rather than just dismiss it as like, well,

788
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen.

789
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: I have talking about nobody been more prude nuclear than

790
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: I have. I've been putting it out there, but I've

791
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 3: also watched with trepidation and with reality about how even

792
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: Diablo Canyon, you know, bringing back on that was a

793
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 3: titanic fight in the state of California. About how in Germany,

794
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: sure it's great, Greta said it, well, most of the

795
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: reactors are going offline. They're still burning more coal or

796
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 3: burning Russian natural gas. Even Japan, the country I love,

797
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: even the fact they had one nuclear disaster where not

798
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: a single person was killed and they basically took off

799
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: a huge percentage of theirs because people are afraid. It's like,

800
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: dealing with this is just so maddening because the truth

801
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 3: is is that the actual democratic check on this stuff.

802
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: While I was talking about with oil or with nuclear,

803
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: many people are either afraid they can have all the

804
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: facts that they want, they're not going to listen. And

805
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: in the meantime, you know, we also have we have

806
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: all these issues that we have to deal with. But

807
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: the solutions, while they may be easy and staring us

808
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: in the face, actually convincing people of that, I have

809
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: not seen a correct playbook for it, both on nuclear

810
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: or climate or any of that.

811
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: You're ideal, Like, if you could just know you sagreates

812
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: to run.

813
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: The world, it would be nice.

814
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: No need would be to tackle climate change using nuclear energy.

815
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think that at a certain point things are

816
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: mostly far gone. At this point, a lot of it

817
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: is going to be mitigation to the extent that we

818
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 3: can reduce further carbon emissions. I would build fifteen hundred

819
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: nuclear reactors tomorrow across the entire United States, fulfill Richard

820
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: Nixon's vision of one thousand nuclear reactors at.

821
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: A minimum green light.

822
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: This have abundant electrical power in which Americans don't have

823
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: to worry about their power bills. We could build as

824
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 3: much as we want. All the AI people can hook

825
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 3: up to the grid. If you want an electric car,

826
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: you can drive it, and we would have dramatically less

827
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: carbon emissions.

828
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: That is an abundant future. But I'm realistic too. I

829
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen.

830
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 4: I listen.

831
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: I think that that is a great direction. And I

832
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: just don't know why you sneer it people who you know,

833
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: rather than just saying like, well, it's not going to happen,

834
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: who try to make the case for and try to

835
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: hold on to a possibility that we could do something

836
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: on that scale and try to actually mitigate the forces.

837
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't understand why you would snare at people, but

838
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: we are still trying to make that case.

839
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sneering per se like that.

840
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: It's attitudinal, because the attitudinal shift is one of which

841
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 3: it's like people just don't the attitudinal shift is we

842
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: have to have, is that all of these discussions like

843
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: you were talking about DEI et cetera, irrelevant. It's a

844
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: cover up or it's the fault of you know, the

845
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: fossil fuel companies from thirty five years ago covering up

846
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: Oh they started.

847
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't think that that's the problem.

848
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 3: I think people have plenty of information, it's just that

849
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: they don't care or they have very very low institutional

850
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: trust to do anything about it.

851
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,959
Speaker 2: I would pose it that you're missing a key part here,

852
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: which is that you are acting like we live in

853
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: a democracy. And I mean you recovered, I covered, and

854
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: I have a piece of this in.

855
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: My monologue.

856
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: But remember this dude who was like an exonmobile lobbyist,

857
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: and he was caught on camera, thought he was doing

858
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: a job interview, and he laid it onto the playbook.

859
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, it's not really you know, it's not

860
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: really tenable for Exxon to just pretend like climate change

861
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: is real anymore. They tried, They did that for years

862
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: and it was successful. And you still have members of

863
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: Congress and whatever who will deny that climate change is

864
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: real or diminish it or whatever. But he says, you

865
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: know what we'll do. We'll back a solution that we

866
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: know is never going to happen politically, and we will

867
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: buy off members of Congress and number one Senator that

868
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: he mentioned was Joe Manchin to make sure that our

869
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: interests are protected and nothing ever changes. And yeah, so

870
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: that playbook has not gone away. It is tremendously effective.

871
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 2: And then, like I said, you have a lot of

872
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: zuckerberg elon all of the players in the AI space,

873
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: of which there are many who also are very interested in,

874
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: you know, not having this conversation and not changing the

875
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: status quo because of the way that AI and crypto

876
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: are so resource and carbon intensive. So yeah, I do

877
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: think that that dramatically impacts what is possible because you know,

878
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: it's it's not that people. Anytime you pold people about

879
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: wanting a green energy transition, about support for the Paris

880
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: Climate Chords, et cetera, et cetera, they're very receptive to that.

881
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: There's long been a majority coalition in favor of a

882
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: green transition. But I do think that a lot of

883
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: what blocks chain change is politicians who are bought off

884
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: by the fossil fuel industry and other industries who want

885
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: to keep things the way that they are. So listen,

886
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that what I want to happen, or

887
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: what you want to happen, which you laid down, is

888
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: likely to occur. But I'm not going to stop fighting

889
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: for it because I think I think it would be

890
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: better for the country and the world if we didn't

891
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: have people having to stare down these fires, you know,

892
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: basically on their own and losing all their possessions and

893
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: losing their lives at time, and you know, having to

894
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 2: deal with the terror that is these persistent extreme climate emergency.

895
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: I totally get it.

896
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: I think the point that I'm generally trying to make

897
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: is that the attitudinal way that people receive a lot

898
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: of information about climate change is default skepticism.

899
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: West Virginia is a good example.

900
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 3: Why do people in West Virginia not give a dam

901
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 3: when people come over there and tell them about transition.

902
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: They don't believe you because they lost all their jobs

903
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: from coal, which they blame on green energy. You can

904
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: say that's it's more probably more to do with fracking.

905
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: If we're all telling the truth. Yeah, but they don't

906
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: want to hear it. They think, you know, the Hillary.

907
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: Clinton, We're going to put a lot of coal miners

908
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: out of work.

909
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 3: That attitude of disdain, of hatred of what is already

910
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 3: a blue collar you know, a profession which is predominantly

911
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: culturally now shifted to the right, is one of extraordinarily

912
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: lack of trust in cultural institutions. And yeah, you can

913
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you're sneering a DEI discussion. They hear it

914
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: and they see it because a lot of these people

915
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: understand what it's like to be discriminated against because they're

916
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: working class white and that's part of their culture, and

917
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 3: they understand very clearly that at least culturally, Trump, Burjo

918
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: Mansion or these types of people are the ones who

919
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: are fighting for them on the issues that they care about,

920
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: and they trust them to look out for more their

921
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: interests more. And you know, I would also say, who

922
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: replaced Joe Manchin? Republican?

923
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 8: So what do we know?

924
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 3: It's like the party and the capture of the state,

925
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: which Trump was what did he win by forty to

926
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: fifty points? It's one of the biggest swings to a Republican.

927
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 3: There is a good example of what I'm talking about

928
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: about lack of institutional trust both culture, which clearly these

929
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: people care about a lot, but also in terms of

930
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: who they want to look out for their interests. And

931
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 3: that's a difficult conversation to have, and it's one where

932
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 3: any discussion of Green New Deal or anything coded even

933
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: like somewhat left wing is just a non starter for

934
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: a lot of these folks. Again, it seemed politically from

935
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: what I.

936
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: Can see, I think you again leave out an important

937
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: part of that story. And I'm not saying there's nothing

938
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: to the story you just told, but I think you

939
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: leave out an important part of that story, which is,

940
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: you know, over years and years, there was a massive

941
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: amount of money spent in political system in West Virginia

942
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: to back groups like quote unquote Friends of Coal that tried,

943
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: you know, the explicit goal was to convince people of

944
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: exactly the story that you're telling, that they would be

945
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: screwed and the state left behind, and all the jobs

946
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: would go away, and that you know, anyone who wanted

947
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: to improve the environment and deal with climate change was

948
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: an an enemy and hated them and hate their way

949
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: of life, et cetera, et cetera. So you know, you

950
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: can't leave out that part of the story, which is,

951
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think at this point, I don't

952
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: think we I don't think we have a democracy. I

953
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: think we have an oligarchy. I think that the whole

954
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: system is completely bought.

955
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 4: I think these.

956
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: Politicians are completely bought and the genuine Like when Green

957
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: New Deal was first revealed, huge majority support for it,

958
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: huge even in places like West Virginia there continued to

959
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: be majorities in faith.

960
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: I think this is one of those energy rise polls.

961
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: There's just not true. I mean, you go and look

962
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: at it, like you can't.

963
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: Do because it was probably asked in the question of

964
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: like do you think the numbers?

965
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 4: You don't like them?

966
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 3: You know, but I'm saying okay, But nothing in their

967
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: voting pattern bears that out. So this is like when

968
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: people talk about Medicare for all it pulls popularly on paper,

969
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: go and actually ask people, do you like your doctor?

970
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: Do you want to leave private health insurance? Like feeling eh?

971
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: Do you trust the government to administer? Oh? Absolutely not.

972
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: Some fifty percent of people in practice, people can into

973
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: it that this is not how it would actually happen.

974
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: So they're like, do nothing in the voting pattern of

975
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 3: West Virginia, of Louisiana, of Texas, or Pennsylvania, any of

976
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 3: the places which are the most affected and most tied

977
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: to oil and gas, who would be the one susceptible

978
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: to the quote unquote just transition indicates to me whatsoever

979
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: that they support the Green New Deal. If anything, the

980
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: Green New Deal tile politicians of AOC and others are

981
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: the ones who are most reviled by them. There are

982
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: a lot of reasons for that, but we have one

983
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: have some realistic skepticism, a massive.

984
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: Why propaganda effort to convince people that this would be

985
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: impossible and unworkable. And all I'm saying is, you know,

986
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: in the cost of it is always raised, And all

987
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying is, what is the cost of not acting?

988
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: Because to me, it seems pretty dire at this point,

989
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: and you know that this will be the most devastating

990
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: fire in LA history. The cost of the biggest natural

991
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: disease is going to be astronomical. A lot of that

992
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: is going to file fall on individual people, or it's

993
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: going to fall on taxpayers at the federal and state level.

994
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: So you know, there's the cost of inaction is also

995
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: both deadly and extremely expensive and causes massive disruptions to

996
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: quote unquote the you know, American life. You can ask

997
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: people here, you can ask them in western North Carolina,

998
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: you can ask them in certain places in Florida and Colorado,

999
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: all around the country, and those zones are going to

1000
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: only expand and expand. So while I absolutely agree that

1001
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: politically it seems very unlikely, and in fact, I feel

1002
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: pretty like I Uh, I think we're all pretty much fucked,

1003
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 2: if I'm being totally honest. But that doesn't mean I'm

1004
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: going to stop like advocating for what I think would

1005
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: be a better direction.

1006
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: I don't think they we're all quote unquote fucked, Like

1007
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: we live in the richest country in the history of humanity,

1008
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: Like we will figure it out, and like figuring it.

1009
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: Out, okay, But I mean, you're the one who just

1010
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: said we can't do anything and we have no ability

1011
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: to a big I think you're probably.

1012
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: I'm not sure you'll find this anathema, but I do

1013
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: have some, you know, some actual confidence in the free

1014
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: market and innovation. People in Thomas Malthus's time said, oh,

1015
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: the population collapse, Remember what was it? The nineteen sixties

1016
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: book about population bomb totally fake. The invention of GMO

1017
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: and a fertilizer product had made it to carrying capacity

1018
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: of Earth is now what are we had.

1019
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: Seven something billion?

1020
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 3: So look like in nineteen sixty they had the same

1021
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: catastrophic apocalyptic narrative. By twenty years it was outdated and

1022
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: it seemed utterly ridiculous. So do I think we're all fucked? No,

1023
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: I think we're all going to be okay. Are some

1024
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: people who live at what's that island that's sinking? Is

1025
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: it the Maldives or Marshall Island? Yeah, one of those. Yeah,

1026
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to be you.

1027
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: But you know, how about LA.

1028
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 2: Would you want to be in an LA resident? Would

1029
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: you want to be living on the Gulf Court? He's

1030
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 2: still already would you want to We're about to do

1031
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: a North Carolina.

1032
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: We're about to do a segment about how price Jack

1033
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: Prouse gouging is happening with rent. I mean, there's still

1034
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: a city of what ten million. In fact, apparently the

1035
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: number of people who want to move to LA and

1036
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 3: to buy real estate there is so high that they

1037
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: can't even keep up with demand. So clearly the people themselves,

1038
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: they mostly want to stay. I think some of the

1039
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: ultra wealthy will flee, and a lot of people still

1040
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: want to move there or want to live there as

1041
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: part of the reason it's one of the most desirable

1042
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: and wealthy neighborhoods in the entire US.

1043
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: So I think that things will be okay.

1044
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: I don't even thinking that things are going to be great,

1045
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: but you know, we seem to figure it out here.

1046
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: Will Does that mean that it'll be like waving a

1047
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 3: magic wand tomorrow and it will all just go away.

1048
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: But like I think the demographic population bomb example is

1049
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: a good one. Most people who have that analysis are

1050
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: wrong with In a very very short period of time,

1051
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: people said that about oil, America will never be energy independent.

1052
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 3: I was just reading a book about nineteen eighties in

1053
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 3: the Permian Basis in Texas has said this basin is dead.

1054
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 3: Nobody will ever take any more oil out of it.

1055
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: It's economically depressed. Two thousand and five, fracking is invented,

1056
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: the boom happens, and they're like the number of jobs

1057
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: and economic activity since that have exploded in the area

1058
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 3: in the last twenty years has turned America into the

1059
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: largest energy producing country in the history of the world.

1060
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: So things can change rapidly through technology.

1061
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: We were talking about how we're all going to be

1062
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 3: reliant on the Saudis by two thousand and nine.

1063
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: In fact, the Saudis are the ones who are trying

1064
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: to depress our oil industry. So I just think things

1065
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: are a lot more moving.

1066
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: You know, technology has a way of changing the conversation

1067
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: in a way that is very very difficult to predict.

1068
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: I think The only thing we can predict with any

1069
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: certainty is that some technology will come forward. That doesn't

1070
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: mean everything will be perfect, but it does mean that

1071
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: the status quo will not be the same.

1072
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: Well, oh yeah, and pray that you're right.

1073
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's go ahead and get to this

1074
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: next piece, which is Hassan Piker actually talked to some

1075
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 2: of the incarcerated firefighters, some roughly one thousand of which

1076
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: have been sent out to fight these blazes. This is

1077
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: part of a program, long standing program in California where

1078
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: California inmates are trained in fire prevention and fire fighting techniques.

1079
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: There's a number of camps established across the state and

1080
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: then they're sent out to fight these places alongside professional firefighters,

1081
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: but earning some five dollars to ten dollars per day.

1082
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: So Hassan, who lives in the in LA or the

1083
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: LA area, went and actually spoke to some of these individuals.

1084
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that, all right.

1085
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 8: Do I just worked? When you like it? Yeah? Do

1086
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 8: you feel like it's a it's almost like a respite

1087
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 8: from being Is it better than being in prisoner?

1088
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: Now?

1089
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 9: It's way better because I was in a prison yard.

1090
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 9: I'm seeing guys get stabbed, get jumped, get beat up.

1091
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 9: The cops treat us like set just like shit, but

1092
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 9: here we get better treatment. Right, they talk to us

1093
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 9: like humans.

1094
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 8: We talked to us like humans. We got a job.

1095
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 8: We're underpaid, but we got a job. Yeah, feel me.

1096
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 9: And then the community comes out. It shows us all

1097
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 9: kinds of love we never we never received that growing up.

1098
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 9: We never received that.

1099
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 8: Kind of love, that kind of recognition anything.

1100
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 10: We're good.

1101
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 8: So now doing this kind of stuff and all this

1102
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 8: love PIMD.

1103
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 9: That's life changing for a lot of guys because that's

1104
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 9: all that we need is a little bit of recognition.

1105
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 8: With this, it's life changing. If we get opportunities at careers.

1106
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 4: What was it?

1107
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 8: How long is your sentence?

1108
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

1109
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 8: Seventeen years? Seventeen years? Damn, they're gonna shave it off. Yeah,

1110
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 8: they're gonna shave it all. They don't they gonna shave

1111
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 8: it off. They shave it something off, They better.

1112
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 11: Shave it in California State doesn't have any sort of

1113
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 11: like reintegration program, has MCRP program, and thank god for

1114
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 11: Scott Button's trying to integrate his ARC program.

1115
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 10: So MCRP is the reintegration program from being incarcerated to

1116
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 10: being on the outside. It's limited, but it's offering you

1117
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 10: a way to try to deinstitutionalize. But in a sense

1118
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 10: it's kind of just keeping you on a leak, sadly

1119
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 10: to say, but that's what it is. Yeah, they do

1120
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 10: offer some programs, but they're very limited, very limited because

1121
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 10: you're usually.

1122
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 8: Private on companies.

1123
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: Again, earning five dollars to ten dollars per day to

1124
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: risk the lives in these fires. Obviously that's a churchis

1125
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: they should be earning a lot more. You ask yourself, Okay,

1126
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: well why do they do it?

1127
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 4: Then?

1128
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: And number one and those guys described it, you know,

1129
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: describe some of the aspects. Number one is the sense

1130
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: of like, okay, we're able to get back to the

1131
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: community and earn this level of respect, which is something

1132
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: we don't normally get to experience, as you know, incarcerated people.

1133
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: And then the other hope is that the sentence will

1134
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: be somewhat reduced, although the amount that it's reduced is

1135
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 2: like very very small. For every one day they serve,

1136
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: they get two days knocked off of their sentence. But

1137
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: the other hope is that Okay, Well, then when I

1138
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: get out of prison, I'll be trained and I'll be

1139
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: able to get a job.

1140
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 4: In this sector.

1141
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: And you know, there's a lot of research that says

1142
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: when you are able to get a job coming out

1143
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: of prison, you're much less likely to reoffend and end

1144
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: up back in prison. There's a nonprofit called the Forestry

1145
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: and Fire Recruitment Program which tries to help individuals like

1146
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 2: these guys who participated in this program be a to

1147
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: enter into forestry and wildland firefighting. There, recid as a

1148
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: VISM rate is ten percent compared to the California state

1149
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: average of forty two percent, so it is a significant amount.

1150
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: The problem is that actually, up until just a few

1151
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: years ago when they passed legislation to deal with this,

1152
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: if you had a criminal record, you couldn't go into firefighting,

1153
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 2: so all of your training and you know, your hopes

1154
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 2: would be completely quashed.

1155
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 4: And it's still very difficult.

1156
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: So not a lot of individuals are able to go

1157
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 2: on in prison and go into this particular industry. The

1158
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: other thing that's a concern here, Sager, especially when you're

1159
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: you know, using incarcerated labor force for you know, insanely

1160
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: low wages. They also found they were much more likely

1161
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: to experience injuries, whether it was cuts, brusus dislocations, fractures,

1162
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 2: also injuries from smoke inhalation. So there's also concerns that,

1163
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: you know, they're not treated the same way and protected

1164
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: in the same way that the professional firefighters are.

1165
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was reading here just now about way that

1166
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: this program is justified in terms of the work release

1167
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: and also their ability to then transition. I know that

1168
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: this is common in many prisons to train certain types

1169
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: of skills that can transition, like electrician and or other jobs.

1170
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: But obviously it seems pretty crazy that you couldn't work

1171
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 3: this job, so there was no point really training, and

1172
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 3: I get I mean, obviously something to do to get

1173
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 3: out there, but yeah, it was interesting to see this.

1174
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that this is such a widespread practice

1175
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 3: in the state of California, which I do think has

1176
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: the largest prison population of any state in the overall you,

1177
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it makes it's also the most popular state

1178
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: in the entire Union.

1179
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, I had no idea that this was such

1180
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: a common practice.

1181
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is pretty wild.

1182
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 2: At the same time you were referencing there's a lot

1183
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: of price gouging going on right now in the state

1184
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 2: of California, specifically with regard to rental apartments. So obviously

1185
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: people's homes have been devastated, massive areas have been evacuated.

1186
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: You have a lot of people looking for a temporary

1187
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: place to stay. Can put this up on the screen.

1188
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: Apparently the you know, the desire for rental housing in

1189
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: the area is just absolutely insane. The headline here real

1190
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 2: estate on LA's West Side grows further out of reach

1191
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: with the fires. This real estate agent says, usually I

1192
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: get five to ten applicants in total for a rental. Today,

1193
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: for one apartment listing in Brentwood, I got almost one

1194
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: thousand applicants. One thousand applicants. Let's go and put this

1195
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: next tweet up on the screen. Here's a reporter who

1196
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: who was digging into some of the numbers.

1197
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 4: Here.

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00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: Furnished ballet or home on Zillo today went for twenty

1199
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 2: nine five hundred dollars a month, so almost thirty thousand

1200
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: dollars a month. A few months ago it was roughly

1201
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: half that. The asking was fifteen thousand, nine hundred. I

1202
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: called up the agency, she said, she told her client

1203
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: to relist the home after this week's La fires.

1204
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 4: Quote, people are desperate.

1205
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: You can probably get good money thirty thousand dollars a month.

1206
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: That is fifteen thousand to thirty thousand. Absolutely, I mean,

1207
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: look again, it's hard. I know most people are like, oh,

1208
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: if you can afford fifteen thousand a month, you can

1209
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: afford thirty thousand. It's like not the point.

1210
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 3: The point is that you're watching a rapid shrinkage of

1211
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: the of the housing market. And I was actually just

1212
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: reading this morning from the Wall Street Journal about how

1213
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: a big problem in the state of California are elderly

1214
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 3: citizens who are like sixty nine, seventy years old, who

1215
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 3: bought their homes some thirty years ago, and our house rich.

1216
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: And it's a good problem to have. But now your

1217
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: house is gone, there's a big question.

1218
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: They bought their house at half a million, six hundred

1219
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: thousand something like that. Now it's worth two point two

1220
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: to three point five million. I talked previously about that

1221
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: with the Pacific Palisades specifically, where the average home price

1222
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: is roughly like three point five million. Most of the

1223
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: people who bought them did not buy it for anywhere

1224
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: close to that. There's a lot of questions for them

1225
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: about the carrying costs of those houses.

1226
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: There was a Prop.

1227
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 3: Thirteen in the state of California locks the amount of

1228
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: property tax that you pay to only increase by some

1229
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: one to two percent and not on the assessment of

1230
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 3: the current home value. So the question for them right

1231
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 3: now is if that's going to reset whenever they rebuild

1232
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: their home, will they be reassessed at the current market value.

1233
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: There's no way that if you're making Social Security or

1234
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: even like one hundred thousand dollars a year, that you

1235
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: can afford forty thousand dollars a year post tax of

1236
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 3: expense on property tax.

1237
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: So there's that.

1238
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 4: Have you been able to get an answer?

1239
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: No, No one has answered me.

1240
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: There has been, So I asked, actually some California policy

1241
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: has Some people said, well, maybe, but they have to

1242
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: rebuild it with the same configuration. There's also a question

1243
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 3: of the actual cost of timber and a lot of

1244
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: the housing of the inputs that go into it. Also,

1245
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 3: if you rebuild more than I think it's one hundred

1246
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: and ten percent, it could trigger a reassess. There's a

1247
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: lot of regulation and red tape here where I mean, look,

1248
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: if you got the opportunity to rebuild your house. You

1249
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: may want to do things a little differently, necessarily want

1250
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 3: to do something yeah, same four.

1251
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: Plant from nineteen seventy.

1252
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: I would think, yeah, right, So doesn't seem unreasonable to say, well,

1253
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: it was an opportunity to do something new, but if

1254
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 3: you do, you're gonna get penalized for it, and then

1255
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: actually it could trigger your own carrying cost of this.

1256
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: So there's a big there's a big question mark of

1257
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do and how they're actually going to

1258
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: be able to both have the rebuilding. Davin Newsom as

1259
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: sid he's gonna wave the building regulation to allow this

1260
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: to happen. That's a good step in the right direction. Yeah,

1261
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 3: the entire state of California is a nimby nightmare for

1262
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: anybody who wants to build housing. Residents like it that way.

1263
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 3: Let's also not absolved people of their responsibility, but for

1264
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: the people who have been massively affected by this in

1265
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 3: the interim, it is a absolute scramble for a place

1266
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: to stay. So there's a video that's been going around

1267
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 3: of a woman talking about her house and how you know,

1268
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: she's just hosted Christmas, her kids grew up there, except

1269
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm staying in a hotel.

1270
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: It's like, well, we can all do the math.

1271
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: Average hotel price in the United States is like two

1272
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 3: hundred bucks in the middle of a disaster and all

1273
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: this we all know, a couple hundred bucks, you know,

1274
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 3: five four, five hundred, you stay there for a month,

1275
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you're out like a couple of

1276
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 3: grand and you do that. You know, over time, if

1277
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: you're lucky, you can go stay with family.

1278
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: But what are a lot of people gonna do. They're

1279
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: gonna go bust. They don't necessarily have the cost.

1280
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: So this effects tens the thousands of people, and it's

1281
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 3: a huge question mark as to what happens. I mean,

1282
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: I have relative confidence the you know, the people who

1283
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 3: are genuinely worth millions will figure it out. They can

1284
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: afford the thirty thousand. But I actually am concerned about

1285
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 3: these house rich folks, because what do you do. I mean,

1286
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 3: if the vast majority of your net worth is tied

1287
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 3: up in your house and your house burns to the ground,

1288
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: and now property tax is an existential question, and you

1289
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 3: already pay the highest income tax in the United States

1290
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,479
Speaker 3: on a state income, what you know, like, do you stay,

1291
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 3: do you go? Will a state actually do everything I

1292
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: can to put you back in I'm pretty skeptical. And

1293
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: then I didn't even talk about the probably thousands of

1294
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: renters and others who they have nowhere to go.

1295
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do now?

1296
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 3: You have to compete in a constrained marketplace with now

1297
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: the richest of the rich also enter and driving the

1298
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 3: rent up.

1299
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: So it's a nightmare. It's a nightmare.

1300
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: And then the longer term prospect too of you know,

1301
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: homeowners insurance. Already State Farm canceled thousands of policies in Palisades,

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Speaker 2: you know, in Pacific Palisades, looking at the risk of

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Speaker 2: wildfire and saying this is you know, this is not

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01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: a good bet for us anymore. You are definitely not

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: going to be able to get home owners insurance in

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 2: the private market. The California has a like insurer of

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01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: last Resort program, it already is very much stretched thin.

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Speaker 2: And you know, this is a story that's playing out

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01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: not just in California, but in all kinds of states

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Speaker 2: across the country. This catastrophe has also really raised a

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Speaker 2: lot of questions about the practice of hiring private firefighters.

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Speaker 2: Actually New York Times has an article about this this morning,

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01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: but also The Sun had an article about this too,

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Speaker 2: where Rick Caruso was a billionaire developer or former mayor

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01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: role candidate, he hired a private firefighting force fire crews

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01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: to protect his properties in the area. There continue to

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01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: be questions about whether these crews because remember the hydrants

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Speaker 2: were running dry because of the level of you know,

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01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: insane demand to try to cope with these fires. So

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Speaker 2: the other question is whether these private firefighting crews are

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01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: using the public water and you know, siphoning off some

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01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: of the critical resources to try to protect properties of

1323
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: people who aren't billionaire real estate developers or celebrities or

1324
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: who else. Kim Kardashian had previously in a previous fire,

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Speaker 2: had faced a lot of criticism for hiring a private firefighting.

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Speaker 4: Crew to protect her own property.

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Speaker 2: And you know this, you also have insurance agencies that

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01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: hire these crews too, to protect the properties that they've ensured.

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01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 2: And you know, you might say, like, okay, well, if

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Speaker 2: you're rich and you can do it, like why wouldn't

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01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: you do it to protect your own property if you

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01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: don't have confidence that the government is going to be

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Speaker 2: able to handle it? But Obviously, number one, there's a

1334
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 2: question of resources. And if you're you're taking away just

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01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: because you are wealthy and able to do it, that's

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01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: one problem. And then the other problem is just you know,

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01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: over time, if this becomes an individual like I'm gonna

1338
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: have an individual file fire response versus we're going to

1339
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 2: have a collective societal fire response, then obviously you're gonna

1340
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: end up with the wealthy having their property protective, the

1341
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: working class getting screwed. And we're increasingly on this trajectory.

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Speaker 2: The number in the New York Times article Soccer was

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: forty five percent of firefighters in this country are private.

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01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: How did I know this.

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01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: I've never even heard of a private fire department. It

1346
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: would not even cross my mind ever to be like,

1347
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 3: let me call a private fire agent.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know. I had no idea. Well, and apparently

1349
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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 1: The origin out west, because you know, for us here

1351
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: you don't have.

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Speaker 2: The same common Yeah, we don't have the same risk.

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Speaker 2: And you know, some of what they do is they'll like,

1354
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: in advance of a fire, they'll go and try to

1355
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: like fire proof the property. Whatever is part of what

1356
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: they do too. But the origins of fire fighting companies

1357
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: were actually with insurance agencies, and so you used to

1358
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: have this, you know, horrifying situation which we may now

1359
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: be getting back to where it's like, oh, if you

1360
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: didn't pay into the firefighting service or into the insurance

1361
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,919
Speaker 2: fund and your house is on fire, we're just gonna

1362
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: let it burn. Obviously, the issue with that is that

1363
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: fire stone stay in one place. So you know, if

1364
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: you let the house of the working class person burn,

1365
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: there's no guarantees that that's not going to you know,

1366
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: jump to other properties, jump to the wealthy neighborhoods et cetera.

1367
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: So see, very sort of dystopian situation that is unfolding

1368
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: here as well. You already mentioned, but we can throw

1369
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: this up on the screen A ten. Gavin Newsom passing

1370
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: an executive order trying to get rid of some of

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01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: the red tape so that they could rebuild faster in

1372
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: these areas. California famously very difficult area to build in

1373
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: all sorts of regulatory hurdles that have made it difficult

1374
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: and been part of why there's been such a unbelievable

1375
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 2: cost of living, specifically with regard to housing costs in

1376
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: La San Francisco. All of the major cities in California.

1377
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: And then the last piece just so people get a

1378
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: sense of, well, this is a very devastating and expensive disaster.

1379
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Speaker 2: Who's going to be picking up the tab for rebuilding?

1380
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal had a breakdown effectively. You know, they're

1381
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: projecting there's going to be something like fifty billion dollars

1382
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: in loss. This is a eleven we can put up

1383
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 2: on the screen, something like fifty billion dollars in loss.

1384
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: Some portion of that will be covered by insurance. You know,

1385
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: there's a shrinking California insurance market, will leave LA residents

1386
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 2: more dependent on a patchwork of federal program's, charitable aid

1387
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: and their own savings. State farm last year said they

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01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 2: would not renew policy for thirty thousand homeowners in California.

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Speaker 2: That includes sixty nine percent of those who live in

1390
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: the Pacific Palisades neighborhood. So those people who I mean

1391
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: it is a very wealthy area. So these are we're

1392
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: talking about wealthy individuals, but they're going to be kind

1393
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: of screwed. California's plan has four hundred and fifty one

1394
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: thousand residential policies. That's up from forty percent from just

1395
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: a year earlier. So the number of properties that California

1396
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: as a state is now ensuring has absolutely skyrocketed. There

1397
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: is a cap the amount of damages you can cling there.

1398
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: It's like three million dollars, but actually a lot of

1399
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: these specific Palisades houses are going to be more than

1400
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: three million dollars to replace. FEMA kicks in for temporary

1401
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: shelter and supplies. That's you know, relatively limited fund, but

1402
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: can help people with hotel costs and you know, immediate needs.

1403
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: You've got question about whether the federal government is going

1404
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: to pass an aid package. You already listen, Trump doesn't

1405
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 2: like California, doesn't like Gavin Newsom was reluctant to pass

1406
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: aid for Puerto Rico. You've already got two Republican senators

1407
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 2: who have said that they want a bunch of strings

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01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: attached before they pass aid because it's the state of California.

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01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 4: So question mark about what you could get there.

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01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: And then obviously the last bucket of money would just

1411
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 2: be individuals on of their own pockets and what they're

1412
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: able to scrape together to try to be able to rebuild.

1413
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am I do suspect that something will go through.

1414
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 3: I know that those Republican senators. But yeah, look not

1415
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 3: to put on my Blue Staters are going to love

1416
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 3: me for this. We're really going to say that the

1417
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 3: richest state in the entire nation doesn't get a federal bailout.

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01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 3: Come on, if we look proportionately at the amount of

1419
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 3: income tax and others that California residents and others pay

1420
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 3: into the overall federal system, it would be ludicrous to

1421
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: say that they cannot get a overall bailout for disasters,

1422
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 3: especially when we consistently bailout that defer disaster relief North Carolina, Florida, Alabama.

1423
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 3: I mean, my maybe like woke take is that all

1424
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 3: states deserve a bailout in the event of a horrible disaster.

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01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 4: That's a woke take.

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01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 2: I think that's just like a basic human to cinema take,

1427
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: like you shouldn't be punished because the president doesn't like

1428
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: your governor.

1429
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 4: I don't reasonable take.

1430
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's possible with what is it,

1431
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 3: fifteen percent of the US population lives in the state

1432
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 3: of California. That's some of the thirty forty million people

1433
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 3: who live there. Some of the richest, you know, most

1434
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 3: important companies to the overall United States and that's just

1435
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 3: like an accounting case. I would make the same case

1436
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,520
Speaker 3: for Alabama. What's the poorest state in the Union, the Mississippi.

1437
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: If a natural disaster hit Mississippi, even if they screwed

1438
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 3: it up, bail them out. But of course, you know,

1439
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 3: make sure that what their agencies and others have maybe

1440
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 3: some strings attached. Yeah, so you have to run it competently.

1441
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 3: But no matter who you are, if you live in

1442
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 3: the US, I think we should go.

1443
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 2: Of course, no one said after Hurricane Katrina, where both

1444
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 2: the federal response and the local response was an utter catastrophe.

1445
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: No one was like, because your politicians did a bad job,

1446
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: you're not going to get a bail Like that's absurd.

1447
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: But anyway, that's a conversation that is going on right now.

1448
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: So in a political fight surely to come in the future,

1449
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 2: there we go.