1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for checking out this special edition of the Pats 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: from the Past podcast. The Pats from the Past podcast 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: features in depth conversations with some of the greatest Patriot 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: players in franchise history. For more episodes, please subscribe to 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Play, 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: or wherever else you listen. For more information, visit Patriots 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: dot com slash podcast. It's time for another episode of 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Patch from the Past. Matt Smith alongside with Brian Lori, 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: and we're pleased to be joined by our first ever 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Bemo repeat guest. And who better to have, especially this 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: time of year than number twenty four on your program, 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: but number one in our hearts, Thy Law Hall of Fame, 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: Thy Law Tay. How you doing, man, I'm good, Man good, 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me the first repeat, first repeat, best repeat. Yeah. 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: See that's what I'm talking about, man, See happy, happy 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: to be here for the second time. Yeah. So it's 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: setting the bar higher. Tie, Yeah right, So let's remind 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: people Tie very importantly what Thy Law is doing for 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: those of you. This is a podcast switch audio, but 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: we have the pleasure of looking at Tie it as home. 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: And he's a smart businessman because product placement, as he knows, 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: is very important. Let everybody know what you're doing these days. 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: Tie well. Right now, I am a partner and owner 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: to v One brand small batch premium vodka and we 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: are the official vodka to Pro Football Hall of Fame. 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: So this is my passion right now, Pride and Joyce. 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: So I'm happy about it, happy about the direction that 28 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: we're going. But you know, guys, this is the cleanest 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: smoothest vodka that you'll ever taste, I promise, And I 30 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: like to challenge everybody for a taste test because every 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: time I line it up and not tell anybody what 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: it is, and I put a couple of different vodkas 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: taste it, I have not. I am one hundred percent 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: undefeated now and I know it's gonna come time with 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: somebody just gonna like somebody something different. That's why I 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: kind of want to quit. But right now I'm I'm 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: well over thirty taste tests of one, every last one 38 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: of them. So I'm excited about it, man, and I 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: can I can share. Then I've given it to a 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: couple of people and and cleanest smoothest vodka and they've 41 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: ever had Full disclaimer. Brian we are both fans of 42 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: the product, would you say, yeah, definitely and tight it's 43 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: been money to endorse it. Thought, it's it's been about 44 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: a year, tie since you've been in this, Is that right? Yes, yes, 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: it's been about a year. How's it going, do you like? 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's going good. I mean, we were 47 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: supposed to really kick off a lot of things last year, 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, being uh introduced as the official vodka for 49 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. But unfortunately for everyone, you know, 50 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: in every industry, you know, the pandemic and COVID it 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: hit us all. But you know, we've still been moving 52 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: uh in a pretty good pace. We got picked up 53 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: in Florida this month, so we're gonna be launching in Florida, 54 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: where in Michigan, throughout New England, New Jersey. We're gonna 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: be launching soon in New Jersey. So uh, you know, 56 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: you take it, you know, one customer at a time, 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: and just keep spreading the word and hopefully, you know, 58 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: everyone enjoys as much as I do. But I really 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: believe in the product, and you know, I was fortunate 60 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: enough to sell my other business, you know, launch Strength 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: of Lane Park prior to the pandemic, and uh, you 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: know that that was a blessing in itself because I 63 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: wanted to put all my energy into V one. Well, 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: i'll tell you what, you must say some prayers at 65 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: night for that piece of good luck. In all seriousness, 66 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you and I talked to about 67 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: something different and people saying, wow, what a what a 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: master stroke, brilliant business move by Todd Tie. But you 69 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: know that that had a little bit of good fortune 70 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: in it as well, didn't it? Absolutely? Absolutely, You don't 71 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: take anything, you know for granted. It was something that 72 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: has been in the makers for a few months, you know, 73 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: because you know I wanted to go in a different 74 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: direction out. I mean, I'm a strong advocate for Launch. 75 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: You know that was that was my first baby, my 76 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: first for rade into business. But you know, I knew 77 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: it was a means to an end and I just 78 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: wanted to do something different. But it was a stroke 79 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: of luck that I was able to you know, close 80 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: you know that deal prior to the pandemic, because I 81 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: can guarantee that it wouldn't happen just because of the unknown. 82 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: Now we're starting to pick back up and Launch is 83 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: moving forward again, and you know, at a at a 84 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: slower pace. But like I said, I'm still a huge advocate. 85 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of launching, you know, hopefully launching 86 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: every other buitiness out there recover from this pandemic because 87 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: everybody hard, they're trying to get hit hard. Ty. Um, 88 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: you know, we got the Hall of Fame voting coming 89 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: up the Pro Bowl. There's no Pro Bowl this year. Um, 90 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: but you know, we had some guys that are selected. 91 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: I guess they just send the jerseys now so for 92 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: this year because there's no actual game. But do you 93 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: remember going to a Pro Bowl and winning MVP and 94 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: then what was that experience like for you? Oh? I 95 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: mean it was awesome. It was funny. I was just 96 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: talking to Keishaw and Johnston on his show this morning. 97 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: We talked about because we shared the MVP, but we 98 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: ain't had no damn We're supposed to s the car 99 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: least down the middle. We had a car sponsor every 100 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: year before, and when we got the MVP, no car 101 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: sponsor who maybe the car sponsor got picked back up. 102 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: So it was obviously a conspiracy against myself a keyshaw 103 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: because we didn't get no car man, we got a 104 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: damn plaque. And now I didn't get it's on the wall, 105 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: but I would I could have used the car at 106 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: that time a lot more, you know what I mean. 107 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: All Right, little trivia question for people who might not 108 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: know ty Um the team that lost the AFC championship 109 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: back in those days, that was the coach of the 110 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. So the coach of the Pro Bowl for 111 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: your for you was supposed to be Bill Parcells, who 112 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: coached the ninety eight Pro Bowl team Bowl the year 113 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: that you were MVP. I'm gonna guess it was Bill 114 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: Parcel's assistant. It was Bill. It was Bill Belichick, who 115 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: was a coach of the ninety eight team. So yeah, 116 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know that because once 117 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: you get over that, look, I gotta be honest. Half 118 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: the time, even though we played real football and it 119 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: wasn't flag football like it is now. You know, you 120 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: kind of lose track of days being down there at 121 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: the hill any and you know, get a couple of 122 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: drinks because you you know, we're playing football, but we're 123 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: on vacation at the same time. So it's some of 124 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: that stuff was a hey as a cloud, you know, 125 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: because you guy like you know Peyton Manning feeding you 126 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: my ties all day. I mean, that was good information, right, 127 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: And the players loved that perk, didn't they. Two tight? 128 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean the fact you guys could go to Hawaii, 129 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: bring your families, bring your girlfriends, whatever, and just chill 130 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: out and talk ball with other guys and have a 131 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: good time your season's over. That that was a great trip, 132 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah? It was. It was amazing. And you 133 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: know I always said that I would never take a 134 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: trip to Hawaii until I made the Pro Bowl. That's 135 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: just what I did for myself. I said the same 136 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: thing when it came to can I am never stepping 137 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: foot in Canton until if I have opportunity to go 138 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: to Hall of Fame. But that changed because you know, 139 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: one of my best friends went before me, so I 140 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: had to go support him and Curtis Marks. So that 141 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: was the first time and it was actually motivating. It's like, man, 142 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: I would love to have this opportunity as well one day. 143 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: But you know, the Pro Bowl, I think guys, they 144 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: need to put it back in Hawaii. I think it 145 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: should be after the season. I know they're trying to 146 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: do somewhat of a you know NBA format and let 147 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: the season keep on going for whatever their reason are 148 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: there the experts, not me, but I know from a 149 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: player's perspective, you know, if you get that honor, you're 150 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: definitely not gonna I mean, why not do what we did? 151 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: We won and won a Super Bowl and then we 152 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: went right over to the Pro Bowl. Guess you know 153 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: it felt good because now you're looking at you know, 154 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: we're Pro bowlers, but you always gotta pay attention to 155 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: us right now because we're coming off of a Super 156 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: Bowl championship. Right. My guess is that it's twofold. Number one. 157 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: The players that haven't played in the playoffs are now 158 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: going a month without playing football until they get to Hawaii. 159 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: And too, I think they try to keep it so 160 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: that after the Super Bowl, no one's paying attention anymore, right, 161 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: so if they put the Pro Bowl in between in 162 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: that off week, maybe it's more attractive to viewers, right right, 163 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: that's gas, no, it is. I understand that esupposedly they 164 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: want to just keep the football thing going. But you 165 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: gotta understand a lot of times when even though guys 166 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: opt out, I will say, it's a lot of that 167 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: going on too, But some of your marquee players are 168 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: the people that want to see. They want to see 169 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: are playing in the Super Bowl. So who wouldn't want 170 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: wait a little bit, a little bit longer to see 171 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes finally just go out there just having fun 172 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: like he's doing, but just playing in the Pro Bowl 173 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: to treat the fans and Tom Brady going over there. 174 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: We want to see that again, you know what I mean. 175 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: So you don't get to see that as being an 176 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: All Star. So you have these names and and and 177 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: these great players not participating. I think it takes away 178 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: from the game a little bit. But from a player perspective, 179 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: you want to be out there after the season. Yeah, 180 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: we're probably you know, not focusing on like this is 181 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: not the Super Bowl, this is an All Star game. 182 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: It is entertainment. This is a reward at the end 183 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: of the season, you know. But at the end of 184 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: the day, money Trump's everything. And I said, they're the experts. 185 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: And maybe from a marketing standpoint, for whatever it is, 186 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: keeping it over here in Florida in the in the 187 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: US is a lot cheaper, So it probably came down 188 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: to the bottom line, no question, business perspective, because I'm 189 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: always thinking like that you know, Bemo trivia question for you? 190 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: What Patriot related news the year the Thai law won 191 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl MVP in nineteen ninety eight And I 192 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: was there. I remember standing in the lobby in another life, 193 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: and I remember greeting Thailon lawyer Malaya, who are just 194 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: coming back from maybe some BS practice or something like that. 195 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: But what big Patriot related news happened that week? That Friday, 196 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: the two days before the Pro Bowls? You know, I'm 197 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: guessing that was a beach flag football game in which 198 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: Robert edwards career basically ended that day. Yeah, And I 199 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: guess we could all agree Tie that that's probably a 200 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: good thing that came out of the Pro Bowl is 201 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: to not have that beach volleyball game, and certainly a 202 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: sad situation because who knows how good Robert Edwards would 203 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: have been had that not have happened. Absolutely, I think 204 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: you know it was. It was never you can't even say, 205 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, a blessing and the curse, because I mean, 206 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: when someone you know loses their career for something that 207 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: was supposed to be fun and entertaining, you know, it 208 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: can't be a blessing. But I think the league learned 209 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: something from that, and that's why they don't do it anymore. 210 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: And now I know they're trying to protect the players, 211 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: but it was very unfortunate that it had to come 212 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: when you're being rewarded as being one of the top 213 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: rookies to be able to go down there, you know, 214 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: and playing the game and still be around. You know, 215 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: the guys that made the Pro Bowl, you know what 216 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean, but you made it, you know, your rookie 217 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: year just a different way, but just to be in 218 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: that atmosphere. And I would have loved the same with 219 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Roberts Edwards careers would have been and would have turned 220 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: out hadn't been for that accident. Yeah. I mean I 221 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: always look at the Pro Bowl and I've never really 222 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: care too much about the actual game, honestly. Well, I 223 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: always thought they should do is bring you guys to 224 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: and do like skills competitions and let us watch those. 225 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: Will you guys get really competitive with each other, talk 226 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: trash like an other. What it would be for d backs, 227 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: but you know they have the quarterback Challenge things like that. 228 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: I always thought those things would be fun. I remember 229 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: as a kid watching like Battle of the Network Stars 230 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: or whatever it was, where they have to tug of 231 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: war and they have the canoe races, and it was 232 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: athletes doing that. I always thought they should do some 233 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: fun stuff like that rather than play a meaningless game 234 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: where where injury is a risk, even even in the 235 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Be could you still have to block and tackle? Right? Yeah, 236 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: I understand that because at the end of the day, 237 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: it's a business and you never want to even get 238 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: hurt at the Pro Bowl. But when I was playing, 239 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: we really played the game, you know. I mean, you 240 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 1: might start off not going too much, but when it 241 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: gets to the fourth quarter, it's that different, that competitive 242 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: nature kick game. And it's that difference between that it's 243 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollar chick and that twenty five thirty thousand 244 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: dollar check. Oh, you know, because the winner get that 245 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: little you know, everything over there in Hawaii Coast and everything. 246 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: You know, no damn snicker coasts like four dollars, you 247 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you gotta you gotta take 248 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: up for that somehow. So we got a little bit 249 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: of competitive But you know, it would be interesting to 250 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: me because we had to play the flag football game 251 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: when I was there, and uh, and that was pretty funny, 252 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: you know, And we were competitive. But you know, imagine 253 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: guys if because we're already talking about who the best athletes, 254 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: and I always say DBS seven on seven, where all 255 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: the defensive guys gotta play offense, all the offensive guys 256 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: got to play defense. I think that would really expose 257 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: a lot of guys out there that think they can 258 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: think they can play dB. You know, because you know, 259 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: you get a lot of receivers out there. You know 260 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: they got skills, but y'all running forward. This is what 261 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: you're doing. You run here, we run here, we run backwards, 262 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: we show to the side. So I would love to 263 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: see something like that. Some of the top skill guys 264 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: go out there and you just gotta play the opposite 265 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: side of the ball, you know, DeAndre Hopkins and and 266 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: those guys playing dB. I got my money on the 267 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: DBS all day long. Speaking of ty, who is the 268 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: Who's the hardest receiver you had to cover? You know, 269 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: I always say, and I stayed consistent since I've been 270 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: getting asked this question, it was always Jimmy Smith. I mean, 271 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith was one of those guys that you knew 272 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: you had to you know, you bring your lunch pail 273 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: to work, You know, I have the upmost respect for him, 274 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: uh you know. And I think it was a matchup 275 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: thing too, because he was a big, strong, fast receiver 276 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: and I was a bigger, strong, fast corner. So we 277 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: matched up well. And then, you know, most receivers, in 278 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: my opinion, not all, but most, you know, you know more, 279 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: you know more barked and bite you know, Jimmy he 280 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: could sit there and barked, but bite back at you, 281 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He wasn't gonna get intimidated. 282 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: The same thing with guys like Hines War. You know, 283 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: he would like he was Hines War, but he'd run 284 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: by you. Hines Ward, he ain't gonna run by you. 285 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: But he's as tough as nails and as tough as 286 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: they come as far as competitor. So I've always liked 287 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith. And even though he probably isn't mentioned with 288 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: the Hall of famers in the all time greats, but 289 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: if you talk to football guys as far as his 290 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: career and in that period of time when he was 291 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: that you know, Pro Bowl guy, it was always a 292 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: great matchup, you know what I mean, Because I couldn't 293 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: overpower him and things like that. He's coming right back 294 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: at me. So I had the utmost respect for Jenny Smith. 295 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: What if the guy who whose podcast you're on this 296 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: morning asked you the same question, would you have had 297 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: the same answer. Yes, okay, absolutely, yeah, I mean, but 298 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: he had. He's not saying that, you know, like Key 299 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: Sean is Well. I mean, we went at it. He 300 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: got me at times, I got him, you know what 301 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean. But if you talk about it, if you 302 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: had to pick one and you remember those battles, even 303 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: though you know it's easy for me to say. You know, 304 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, I played him so many times. You know, 305 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: he's a pro football Hall of family. You know, the 306 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: matchup the games was always epic, you know what I mean. 307 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: But if you're talking about going out there and knowing 308 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: if you were, you really saying something as a player, 309 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: when even if you only play him two, three, four 310 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: times and you knew that, hey, this guy can play, 311 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's how I felt about 312 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith because, uh, like I said, he was fast. 313 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: Two people didn't give him enough credit, you know, for 314 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: his speed, And I said, I tried to pump guys. 315 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: That was my thing. I'm gonna try to get up 316 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: in your face. I'm gonna try to test your manhood. 317 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see what you're really made of. And Jimmy 318 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: showed me that, you know what, you to real deal, 319 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: and I got respect for him. So let's switch gears 320 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: here a little bit tight. Another time of year is 321 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame time. You've been through the agony and 322 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: then ultimately the ecstasy of you know, not having the 323 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: door knock instead receiving a phone call and then having 324 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: the doorknock. And I think we all remember those great 325 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: pictures where you're clapping and your family's behind you and 326 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: you're so excited. Bigxie is who everybody who cares about 327 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: the Patriots is is concerned about this year, and he's 328 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: had nothing but the agony so far. What's this week 329 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: like for him? As one who's lived it, you know 330 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: what it is. First of all, you got to look 331 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: at the honor of even being in the conversation. I 332 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: think a lot of times, as much as we all 333 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: want to get in you to take you know, the 334 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: good with the bad, you know what I mean? And 335 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: the good part about this whole situation. You're one of 336 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: fifteen guys, you know, as in the finals so there 337 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: is a chance, you know, and being that he has 338 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: been a finals for the last few years, he's waited 339 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: his turn. You know, I think it's time for Richard 340 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: Seymour to get in. You know, everyone is not going 341 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, But once 342 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: you get in, no one to ask how long is 343 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: it take you to get there? Damn you've got a 344 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: gold jacket. And I think you know it's because he 345 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: wants to be in there. He wants to get it 346 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: over with because all the talk, everyone's rooting for you. 347 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: But you know that every one of those guys in 348 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: there have a strong case themselves, you know what I mean. 349 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: So what's up to voters and Ron Borge's and the guys. 350 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: It's advocating for us to even if these guys wouldn't 351 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: believes you got to make him a believer or your 352 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: play when they really evaluate your player speaks for it self. 353 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: But I think Richard, you know, hats off to him 354 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: just to be in this position because a lot of 355 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: us don't get into this position to even be considered. 356 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: So I like his chances this year. I hope he 357 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: gets in, But I'm sure you know, we're not even 358 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: gonna put the bad energy out there. Hopefully he gets 359 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: in this time. But best believe Richard Seymour not only 360 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: will have you know, a red jacket, he's going to 361 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: have a gold jacket as well. So, ty, can you 362 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: just take us what it's like. I mean, this year 363 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: obviously is different. There was a zoom call for the voters, 364 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: and there's no you know, Richard won't be at the 365 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: Super Bowl sitting in a hotel room, so can you. 366 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: But can you tell us what it's like when you're 367 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: in that room and the phone rings which means not 368 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: this year, versus the knock on the door, which means 369 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: obviously you're in. And just the emotions of both of those. 370 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so crazy because that's the one time, 371 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about, you know, football, when 372 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: you start your career, when to get drafted, you were 373 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: just waiting for your phone to ring. That's all you want, man, 374 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: This is somebody called me, so I say, you're taking me. 375 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: It is the total opposite. When it's when you're going 376 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. You know you'd be like, 377 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: please don't ring. You know you don't want nothing. You 378 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: want to hear the knock on the door. So that 379 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: is very Uh, it's stressful because everyone wants so much 380 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: for you. I was even hearing, you know, because I've 381 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: been through it. There's no guarantees. Everyone bleeding it. But 382 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: and they wanted to be there. I didn't want that 383 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: many people, you know, there, because I've been disappointed all that. 384 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: That's why you take me and my son. Whatever you know, 385 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: happens happens. But they felt that they knew it and 386 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: they was so they say, But I was like, damn it, 387 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: y'all say that two years ago through you know what 388 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean. But you know, I'm glad that everyone was 389 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: down there to be able to share that moment with me. 390 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: You know, they felt it. I didn't know what to feel. 391 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: I was just hoping that someone would look at me 392 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: in my career and say I was worthy of being 393 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: and you know, such a prestigious fraternity. You know, you 394 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: mentioned honor that it is just to get to where 395 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: these guys are at right now, where Richard is at 396 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: right now, and he's been there a couple of times. 397 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: But as one who went through it, Tie, do you 398 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: feel that the process was all that was at all 399 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: political or at the end of the day do you think, 400 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: you know what, whether you got in in the first 401 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: ballot or it took you fifteen years to get in, 402 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: this is the Pro Football Hall of Fame, reserved for 403 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: the greats. And whether this guy is a better talker 404 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: than somebody else, or he has a better presentation somebody else, 405 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: eventually the best you're going to get into the Hall. 406 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I really, I really believe that. But there, 407 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of guys that may be 408 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: deserving that's not even getting a sniff, you know, And 409 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: so I definitely believe it some politics in it, But 410 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: what is it politics in If you talk about any business, 411 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: any corporation, anything significant, there's always going to be some 412 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: type of politics that's being played, you know what I mean. 413 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: So you know, I would be it would be ignorant 414 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: to even say something like that. But you know, guys 415 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: like Rodney Harrison. You know, for example, you can't tell 416 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: me that Rodney Harrison is not supposed to be in 417 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Not only is he 418 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: supposed to be in the Pro Football Fame, he's not 419 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: even being considered as a finalist right now. And I 420 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: don't understand it, you know, what I mean. So if 421 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: it's one guy and I'm not being biased, I always 422 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: look from a football perspective. Yes, I played with Rodney, 423 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: and you can say, all right, I can be biased, 424 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: but just look at his numbers, look at his production. 425 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: It's only one guy, one guy, and I think a 426 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: lot of people would agree that ray Lewis is probably, 427 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, the greatest linebacker to ever played the game, 428 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: if not you know, one of the two three guys 429 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: you know at that position, you know, in the middle 430 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: linebacker position. He has thirty interceptions, thirty sets. Rodney Harrison 431 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: is the only other person in the game from the 432 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: only defensive back that has thirty picks in thirty interceptions, 433 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: I mean, and thirty sex. So if you're only one 434 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: of two guys in the history of football, why is 435 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: he being considered? He has the championships, he damn sure 436 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: got the numbers he had, He's in two different Hall 437 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: of Fames as far as you know, the you know, 438 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: the Patriots, you know, and the in San Diego all 439 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: addiversary teams and all this kind of stuff. Why is 440 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: it he being considered? So, I don't know, I've heard 441 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: so many stories. Maybe because the way he played the 442 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: game or he got fine, I heard dirty player. I 443 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: didn't like Rodney when I didn't play with him, but 444 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: when when you played with that man, Oh, you can't 445 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: do nothing but respected. And I think that he should 446 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: be considered, you know, for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 447 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with you more. And I know your former 448 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: coach here in New England has been on the record 449 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: as saying that as well, and would hope that his 450 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: words carry some weight. Tight does are you tempted at all? 451 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: When we were talking about the politics part of it, 452 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: and we know that there are people who would go 453 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: in and vote and make presentations. Are you Are you 454 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: at all tempted when those years when you were trying, 455 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: you're you know, waiting for ultimately for you to get 456 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: in to have a conversation with somebody. Did you feel 457 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: the need to, you know, say anything about yourself or 458 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: is it one of those things where you said, you 459 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: know what I did, what I did in the field. 460 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: I gotta trust that these people open their eyes and 461 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: learn what's going on. I mean, only if it was 462 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: an interview and you had to say something, you know 463 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: about something, it was a direct question. But I didn't 464 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: feel the need to take it upon myself to go 465 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: out there and try to plead my case. You know 466 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. That's I can't go back out on 467 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: the field. I mean, everything that has happened. You know, 468 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: If I can go back out there and run and 469 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: run one more forty or catch one more pick, damn it, 470 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: I'll take that opportunity. But the reality is that it 471 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen. So but you know, I've had 472 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: some of course, I'm in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 473 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: and that was the most epic moment ever. But you know, 474 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: when you're getting disappointed, it's like, what did that guy 475 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: do that I didn't do? And all that I couldn't 476 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: sit there and just look at every day, you know 477 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: like that, I mean, you'll beat yourself up, you know 478 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: what I mean, because I can't control that. The only 479 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: thing I control is what I did on the field. 480 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: My Hall of Fame enshrinement and consideration, that's all in 481 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: somebody else's hand, you know. You know, so I just 482 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: went along with it. But when the question was presented, 483 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: now you know me, I'm I'm gonna tell you what 484 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: I canna tell you. You know what I mean, because 485 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: you know it was a whole lot. You know. It 486 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: was just you know, great friend of mine and you know, 487 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: my Hall of Fame brother, Champ Bailey. You know, it 488 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: was never saying anything disrespectful about you know, Champ or 489 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: anything else. But I think if I wouldn't have got 490 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: in this year, you know, I mean the year that 491 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: I did, because I was going directly head to head, 492 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, with another all time great you know what 493 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: I mean. Before I didn't have that, So it would 494 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: have probably been a little more painful if someone came 495 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: in as a cornerback and and hopped me when I 496 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 1: had to wait, you know what I mean, and when 497 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: we had uh eerily similar stats outside of their Pro Bowls, 498 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: you know, you know when you say, okay, I had 499 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: more interceptions even though it was only a couple, you know, 500 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: I have more touchdowns. I got Super Bowl rings and 501 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: things like that. So if if I had to remind 502 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: somebody in a sense without you know, saying anything negative 503 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: against my friend, I will let him know, you know, 504 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: if he you know, I consider him first ballot too. 505 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: I considered myself, you know, could have could have possibly 506 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: went there, but that's fine. But if he's gonna go 507 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: in first ballot, and you asked me the question because 508 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: I want to get in as well. They checked the 509 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: damn stats, so if they if they like this, I 510 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: had to wait. If he go in, should not be 511 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: going in with him? Yeah, I mean I think that 512 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: that year in particular, it was Ron Borges made a 513 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: great argument about that because because I think he knew 514 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: that they were gonna put champion, because Champ had a 515 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: lot of hyper If you're gonna put champion, we gotta 516 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: look at ty Long. Because I was actually surprised the 517 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: two corners got in. T Were you surprised about that? 518 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: You know what? I wasn't as I was surprised, but 519 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: I wasn't as surprised because the year prior to when 520 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: I was a finalist, they put two linebackers in. Then 521 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: they put t O and Randy in at the same time. 522 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: So now you looked at it as a possibility, you 523 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I thought that, to be honest, 524 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: it would only be right, you know what I mean, 525 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: because you know, check the stats. Check, I mean, check 526 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: anything you want to check. You know the numbers are there, numbers, 527 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: numbers don't lie, so which is maybe I was put 528 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: this way. Put it this way. I was hopeful because 529 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: I knew, just like you know, this year, we all 530 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: know that two spots is gone and that is Charles 531 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: Woodson and Peyton Manning. Who there was the other three 532 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: none of us now spots is gone. But when I 533 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: came in on my year, so okay, you pretty much 534 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: new a spot was gone Champ Bailey, Tony guns Alis 535 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: and a Read. So I mean you pretty you knew 536 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: that they could all be possible first Battle Hall of Fame. 537 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: So it's basically only two spots left for the rest 538 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: of us. Who would be that? And when you're gonna 539 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: head up with somebody that you have the same stats 540 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: and you know the only separation was Pro Bowl votes 541 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: and we all know what that is, right, you know, bullshit? 542 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: But so I was like, hey, if it's no better 543 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: time than now, you know, to get in, and I 544 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: knew wrong would go out there and do a hell 545 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: of a job, you know, making that case. In that 546 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: argument you mentioned how your stats were your stats and 547 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: do you think that that's what's hurts Richard is because 548 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't have you know, one hundred sacks. He doesn't 549 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: he didn't play in that kind of defense, right, And 550 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: you know he was when he was on the end, 551 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: it was in the three to four two gaping and 552 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: when he was inside, you know, it was you know, 553 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: maybe it was four or three when he was inside. 554 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: But he even played some on the nose, right. I mean, 555 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: he's he's done so much. And if you're talking about 556 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: these people doing the vote and if they knew football 557 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: and not just looked at statistics, because I think they 558 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: pick and choose who they want to look at statistics for. 559 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: But Richard Seymour, the impact that he had on every 560 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: defense was major because when you're taking on two guys, 561 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: you're going from tackle to over the center. He could 562 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: play the end. He did anything that you asked him 563 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: to do, and he was always a problem. No, he 564 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of sacks. That hundred sacks. That 565 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: he had a lot of sacks, but they wanted to 566 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: ask him to just go get the quarterback. I say 567 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: the same thing about Willie mcginns. If you tell Willie mcginns, 568 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: hey your only job, which a lot of these guys 569 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: are getting into all the money and all the hype, 570 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: go get the quarterback. Willia mcgins will have a hundred 571 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: sacks as well, and the same thing Richard, if you say, hey, 572 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: just go get the quarterback, just get up filled. But 573 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: he had so much other responsibility. And the same thing 574 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: with Willie that they stats suffered for the greater good, 575 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: and that was for team's success. And I think you know, 576 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: when you're talking statistically everyone that we all agree. And 577 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit there and preach it right now, because 578 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that when you out of the game, 579 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: people start looking at stats. If you're talking right now, everyone, 580 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: we all agree that Darrell Reevers is a Hall of Famer, 581 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: probably gonna go first ballot, at least from a football standpoint. 582 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: But when you got but I said, but when you 583 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: look at the statistics, because even when Ron you know, 584 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: talk to me like, before you know I was even eligible, 585 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: how many you got? You know, they want to see, 586 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, fifty, you got fifty. Yeah, damn right, I 587 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: got fifty. You know what I mean. But it's a 588 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: certain criterier from a stats standpoint, you know what I mean. 589 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: But then you get got like Eric Allen, who's you 590 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: know he has He's right up there, he has the numbers. 591 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: Let's even talk about a Sante Samuel, he has fifty picks, 592 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: but you got somebody like Darrell Reevers, who I hope 593 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen the same thing that's happening to Richard, 594 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: because he should be in right away in my opinion, 595 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: because of the impact that he had on the field. 596 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: So they pick and choose who they want, and I think, 597 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, because and he's got like twenty nine or something, right, 598 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: he has twenty nine, but it's not the forty five fifty. 599 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: But how many people are going out there the throw 600 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: at him. He did, He did his job, you know, 601 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: unlike many people out there in the game, they can't 602 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: play the game the way he did. So hopefully that 603 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't come back and do the same thing that 604 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: is doing the Richard because I really think that statistically, 605 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: because they don't see that one number is hurting you know, 606 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: Richard in a sense. But at the same time, he 607 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: is in the room, he is in the final room. 608 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: It's been a couple of years, so obviously, you know, 609 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: Ron is doing a great job of saying, look, don't 610 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: you can't just look at the stats with this guy. 611 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: You can't just look at the stats with the real Rivers. 612 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: But some guys you can look at Rodney see, so 613 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: it has to be some politics in there somewhere. So 614 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: so Ty, just one last thing on Rivers. I mean, 615 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: I think the other thing. And I don't mean this 616 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: is any knock on Rivers by any stretch of the imagination, 617 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: because he's a great player and he's a Hall of 618 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: Fame corner. But I think where he played, we'll have 619 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: a tremendous influence on voters across the country. I think 620 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,239 Speaker 1: the fact that he was in in the number one 621 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: media market in the league and in the country will 622 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: go a long way. And I remember talking to Tip 623 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: a little bit back in the day. You know that. 624 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to I'm not trying to compare 625 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: Tip and lt okay Um, they're both Hall of famers, 626 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: but Taylor was in that market. The Giants were Super 627 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: Bowl champions, they were on TV every single week, and 628 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, Tip couldn't get arrested being on the Patriots 629 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: with the drive teams that he was on, and that 630 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: had an effect on Tippet's candidacy. I don't think there's 631 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: any question about it, right, Oh yeah, I mean I agree. 632 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: You know, when you're in New York for some players 633 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: that might be lesser players, you know, in the scope 634 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: of you know, we know who good and who's not. 635 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: Dereill fit the bill when it came to being a 636 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: top notch player as well. So yes, being in a 637 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: top media market, that's that's not going to hurt him 638 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: when you're already a top player, you know what I mean, 639 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: So that can that can't help you. But if Andre 640 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: tip bit, yeah, he'll be probably be talked about like 641 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor as well, if he was in that market 642 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: at the time. You know, New England wasn't you know, 643 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: a great football team you know when he played, it 644 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: is what it is. But like but when you start 645 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: peeling back the layers and saying, you know what, if 646 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: you talk about LT, and I think that was the argument. 647 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: LT probably helped Tip get in. You know, if people 648 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: want to say Champ helped me get in, I'll take it. 649 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes sometimes it takes somebody else's success for 650 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: people to start recognizing a this dude can play too, 651 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So whatever, so whatever, it 652 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: takes a little help. But being in that media market 653 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: up there is definitely gonna help his chances. But I 654 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: just hoped a few individuals really look at what he 655 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: did his impact on his defenses and not just look 656 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: at his stats, because I don't think the real Reevers's 657 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: stats gonna tell you the story of his career. I 658 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: just hope he doesn't fall in that, and I don't 659 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: think he will. But you made a great point about 660 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: being in New York, but he was also you know, 661 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: the real deal. He transcends it. He doesn't need to 662 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: be in New York to be a Hall of Fame exactly, right. 663 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: So you mentioned there's two there's two my word laps, 664 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: two laps this year Manning, and um, what's in they're 665 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: going in? Count them in right now? That that basically 666 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: means you got twelve guys playing for three spots, right, 667 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: And that's the tough part because all twelve other guys 668 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: they have legitimate, you know, reasons, and they are that 669 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: they should be in the Hall of Fame. Everyone has 670 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: a legitimate argument, you know what I mean. So yeah, personally, 671 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: of course I think Richard Seymour one. Yeah, I could 672 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: be biased because that was my teammate. But at the 673 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: same time, I look at football. You can't measure Richards 674 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: by just stats alone. Talk to the other people that 675 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: he played against, talk to the coaches, and he's been 676 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: waiting there a couple of years already. Just like I was, 677 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: those super Bowls just didn't happen with Bill Belichick and 678 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. It was a lot of other guys that 679 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: can play that should get recognition, And Richard Seymour is 680 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: definitely one of those guys that, you know, should you know, 681 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I think, uh, 682 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, Reggie Wayne would be somebody. Okay, he's waited 683 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: a couple of years. You look at you know, his longevity. 684 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: Statistically he ranked right there with every other Hall of 685 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: Famer and he has a Super Bowl rain to go 686 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: along with it. So I think Reggie Wayne because you 687 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: got a guy like you know, Mega Tron coming in 688 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: as dynamic as he was and sometimes just get to 689 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: a point where it might be a little log jam. 690 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: So if Reggie had to wait and Megatron's coming in 691 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: and we all know, you know, you know, he was 692 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: Megatron for a reason at the same time, Detroit, right, 693 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So, and they weren't winning. 694 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne has the numbers and he won, you know 695 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: what I mean. So I chose, you know, Reggie not 696 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: saying that Megatronic isn't. But when it came to my vote, 697 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: in my opinion, I think Reggie, you know, should get 698 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: that opportunity to be in harming because he's already waited 699 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: in there. And then you know, after that, I say, 700 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: I got it. I've been in the room with for 701 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: a long time, and I think he should get his 702 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: just due. Was Alan Fannaker? You know, I know Jared Allen, 703 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: I know, I know he's gonna get in the dB 704 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: given some offensive linemen some love there. Yeah, I like 705 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: Alan fanaka Alan Fannaker. Man, he was a bowling, you 706 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean. He's he's waited around for quite 707 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: some time. Now. I think, you know, he should get 708 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: his uh just due because I'm telling you, being in 709 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: the room and you know, always getting a phone call 710 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: year after year, and a lot of guys been in 711 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: there a lot longer than me, so I can under 712 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: imagine how they might, you know, be feeling. So it 713 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: was a long jam, you know with the offensive linement 714 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: because you know, I guess it's probably a different little 715 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: bit of a different evaluation that goes into it. There 716 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: stats right, right, huh, what are their stats? That's what 717 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you know it probably was a little 718 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: bit more. But think about it. This guy, you know 719 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: what the thousand yard rush you to head. I think 720 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: Alan Fannaka is he he got to get his just 721 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: dude to get in no disrespect to anybody. As I 722 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: played with Jerry Allen, I know that. You know, I 723 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if he went first ballot, you know 724 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: what I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. But I'm just 725 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: saying as far as what my thinking was, you know, 726 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: and who I chose, you know, uh, that's where I 727 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: went with him. So and by the way, by the way, 728 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: one thing, so down in Atlanta, I'm sitting standing with 729 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: Kevin Falk and he goes over to like we were, 730 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: he was doing an appearance for it, and he goes 731 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: over to like the tensive areaver there and he starts 732 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: talking to this guy and I said, he comes, everybody 733 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: go who is that? He goes, Oh, that's Alan Fannika. 734 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: Guy looks like you weighs one hundred and seventy five 735 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: pounds right now. And that's a lot of He should 736 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: go to the Hall of Fame on that alone. Because 737 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: like when you when you say, I'm like well, wait 738 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: a minute, I had I'm like, I had to look 739 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: it up. I'm like, it happened, you know, because even 740 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: he looks great now, he looked like a dB. Yeah 741 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: he lost the whole person. Yeah, he lost, absolutely lost 742 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: the whole person. So I'm like, I know when he 743 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: gets up to after they showed the highlights and when 744 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: he walk old stage, you know, when that time comes, 745 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully as this year, you know, everybody can 746 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: be like, who the hell was at on on the 747 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: jumbo drawing perspective? Can you read the fifteen? Sure? I will, 748 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: And then I wanted to kind of summarize maybe what 749 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: I think I'm hearing is Tye's point of view. The 750 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: fifteen people who are finalists for induction for this year 751 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame alphabetically I'm reading him are 752 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 1: Jared Allen defensive end, Ronde Barber defensive back, Tony Biselli 753 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: tackle who's been there for a while as well, Tye. 754 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: Leroy Butler m played against you in Super Bowl thirty one, Fiannika, 755 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: who you mentioned? Tory Holt greatest show on turf, Megatron, 756 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson, John Lynch, who's been around for a while, 757 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning first ballot, Clay Matthews, another guy who's been 758 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: around for a little while, underrated linebacker Sam Mills, Big 759 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: Richard Seymour, Zach Thomas, Reggie Wayne, and Charles Woodson and 760 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: so ty these are This is my impression of what 761 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: you're saying. You're saying if I could summarize and if 762 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm right that these guys are all Hall of famers, 763 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: your point of view is, you know what, unless you're Manning, 764 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: unless you're Woodson, and they're just the no doubt, no 765 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: brainers of all time. If you've been in the room 766 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: for a little bit, I'd like you're saying, I'd like 767 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: to see those guys get in before somebody who hasn't 768 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: been on the ballot. They've paid their dues maybe a 769 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: little bit by not getting in. Is that a fair 770 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: thing to summarize what you're in? Absolutely, you know what 771 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean, because like I said, everyone is deserving. But 772 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately they only take five out of the fifteen, 773 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: so and it depends on who's coming up next. A 774 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: lot of it is timing as well, you know what 775 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, because yess what, when you're doing a hell. 776 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: As much as I love Ron and he's doing on 777 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: the table for me. He ain't gonna have to do 778 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: much for Tom. All you gotta do is go up there. 779 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: Tom Brady dropped the Micael walk Off, good job, Brono 780 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: paid Manning dropped the mike. Charles Woolson dropped the mic 781 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: just walk off right, by the way. By the way, 782 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: I didn't agree with you that I don't agree. I 783 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: don't agree with you that all fifteen names are Hall 784 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: of famers, hall of fame. You tell me who ain't 785 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame? Well, I mean I think Tony 786 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: pissell career was short. Tony PISSELLI played six years? Is 787 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: that is that a Hall of Fame career at tackle? 788 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: You know what? Now I have to I have to 789 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: talk to players who played against them who can tell. 790 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: And I haven't done that research at all. Fanness right, 791 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: and in in all fairness, I can't really judge, but 792 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: so much as far as the offensive line played, you 793 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I said, when you you 794 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: blocked for a thousand yard rushers like uh Alan Fanica 795 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: and you have running backs are in the Hall of 796 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: Fame that you blocked for Jerome Bettis, Um Curtis Martin, 797 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, and you have a long jevy like that. 798 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: I think that that you have to have that as 799 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: office alignment because stats don't your personal stats are not 800 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: gonna do it. I part of me feels that unless 801 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: you did something that is just totally amazing, like Patrick Mahomes, 802 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: he can play five, six, seven years and you probably 803 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 1: can still consider him, you know, a Hall of Famer 804 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: from what he's doing so early, you know what I mean. 805 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: So I think that you should have a good amount 806 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: of years to be considered a Hall of Famer. You know, 807 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: you have to have some long jevy in it unless 808 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: you did something that we just haven't seen before. But 809 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, like Barry sandersy that minimum nine ten years, 810 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because you can put up a 811 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: resume that warrants that. Like I said, it's been some 812 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: great players that probably would have been had Hall of 813 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: Fame careers that got injured and they just couldn't finish it. 814 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: Off ter debate about tie and when I mean I 815 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,720 Speaker 1: was I was in the finalist room with a TV before, 816 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, And you know I thought for 817 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: what he did, he was man who was a head 818 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: of the player. I mean he you know, he brought 819 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: it down here. He got he got the three super 820 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: Bowl rings, yell, but he only had three seasons. No, No, 821 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean he got two super Bowl rings, right, he 822 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: got two rings, right. But that's the examp. But uh 823 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: you know, the voters, you know thought and like I said, 824 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: he was a hell of a player. Him and Curtis 825 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: Martin you know myself, we all came out of the 826 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: same draft. Ye. So you know, I'm a huge uh 827 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: TD fan. But you know, when you're in there at 828 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: the moment, because you want to get into you know 829 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: what I mean, you had all those things cross your mind. 830 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: You know, I would never you know, a couple of 831 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: people said or anything like that. But at that time 832 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: when we're both going at it, and you know, when 833 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: he gets in, I'm saying, like, man, you know I 834 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: played double years, you know as far as like my career, 835 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and your rings and this 836 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: and that. So that's the spot taking that could have been. 837 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: But that's just selfishly, you know, speaking when you think 838 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: to yourself. But then when you think about you know, 839 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: Terrell Davis, what he went through, what he did for 840 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: that city and playing through migrains and shit like that, 841 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you know what, he's 842 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: a real deal. Well, and I think the hard thing 843 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: for us is guys who never stepped on the field. Right, 844 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: when you talk about this stuff, you have to be careful. 845 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to disrespect anybody, the guys that go 846 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: out and put the pads out every week and knock heads. 847 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I have no right to say, you know, 848 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: this guy's this and this guy's that. But when I 849 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: compare and I look at and the writers are the 850 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: ones picking this for the most part, right, I look 851 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: at Terrell Davis and he had three dominant seasons that 852 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: were as good as anybody. Right, rushed for over two 853 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: thousand yards, but it's three enough to get a gold jacket. 854 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: I think that's where the debate comes in. That's all 855 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, No, it is a you know, a 856 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: debate you know when it when it comes to that, 857 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: you know. As far as your career, Loane, I don't think. 858 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: But he was so dynamic, you know, at the time, 859 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: and he would be the day too, like a Gail Sayers, 860 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: you know. And I don't think that he played no 861 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: long a long time, But what he did on the 862 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: field with stuff that people never seen before. And if 863 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: you look at at you know, some of the older guys, 864 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: and I know the game has changed in a lot 865 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: of ways. You can't just look at stat's how did 866 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: they impact the game. And I think that's where you 867 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: know into and I came to say today's game because 868 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,479 Speaker 1: its getting a little softer. But in the game you're playing, 869 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: you know what he did for his team, you know 870 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: what was amazing, and you know it warranted, you know, 871 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame consideration that he got in because, 872 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: like you said, if it was only three you know, hey, 873 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: there were some hell of five seasons and you know 874 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: he he got He was fortunate he played and no 875 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: telling what he would have done if he was able 876 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 1: to play five or six more years. On top of that, well, 877 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: one guy who I think we all agree won't have 878 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: to worry, won't have to sweat it out, as you 879 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, is the guy who's going to be quarterbacking 880 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: on Sunday Ty and Tom Brady. In this region, I 881 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: think there's a bit of angst going on. And is 882 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: it safe to say, as a former teammate, there's no 883 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: question who your rooting interest will be for on Sunday, 884 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: know what, you know, I'm I'm I'm going for Tom. 885 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: You know, that was my That's my guy. And you 886 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna ride with Brady all day. That's that's 887 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: that's my teammate for a lot longer. And I wasn't 888 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: Kansas City. I love Kansas City. I had a great 889 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: time up there. But hey, I want Super Bowls with 890 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, you know what I mean. That's a personal friend. 891 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: So you know, as long as the Patriots down in there, 892 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: and Patriots was playing Tom Brady, Damn, I'm going for 893 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: the Patriots, you know what I mean. But hey, he's 894 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: still a Patriot as far as I'm concerned, and I'm 895 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: gonna ride with him wherever he goes. Like I said, 896 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: I paid played for Kansas City and got a hell 897 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: of a check for it. But hey, and if Tom 898 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,399 Speaker 1: Brady wasn't in it, I'm going for Kansas City because 899 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I really enjoyed myself up there. The fans 900 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: were break Herman Networks. I mean, I really enjoyed it. 901 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: But I gotta ride with Tom, you know what I mean. Hey, 902 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: I got a question for you. Tight you know, there's 903 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: been a lot made with Tom this week and this 904 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: isn't specific to him, maybe even more specific to your experience, 905 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: but you haven't when you play for a coach, okay, 906 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: like you play for Bill Belichick and you have a 907 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: certain relationship with the coach during that time, and then 908 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: you walk away, what is the How does your relationship 909 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: with a coach that might have been hard on you 910 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: as a player change after you leave or after you retire, 911 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe you can just speak to your experience 912 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: with your relationship with with Bill Belichick now versus your 913 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: relationship when he was riding your ass every day in practice. 914 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean you you grow a respect, you know what 915 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, Because we're all competitive about it, and I 916 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: think you know, whether you're a coach or you're a player, 917 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things get said in the 918 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 1: heat of the moment when you know you're intense, whether 919 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 1: it's practice or the game. But no one takes it 920 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: that personally. Um, you know, because that's what they're supposed to. 921 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: They're supposed to Rodger, you know, as a competitor. You know, 922 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,399 Speaker 1: at least for me, I will bite back at you too, 923 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean if I think I'm right, 924 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: But you gotta take the coach and they're there for 925 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: a reason. So you know, it's actually if you have 926 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 1: a mutual respect, it it's better. You know, it gets 927 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: better when you're done because you can sit back and 928 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: laugh and and it can help mold you on certain 929 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: things and how you handle things. You know sometimes you 930 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean, it was, It's been times where 931 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, me and Belichick, if we had to say 932 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: some words, you know, he know, he know me just 933 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: like I know him. You know, he gonna say what's 934 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: on his mind. You know I'm gonna say what's on 935 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: my mind. I might not be like you know, the 936 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: average player when it comes to that, but you know, 937 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,439 Speaker 1: there's always a mutual respect. And you know the fact 938 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 1: that I can pick up the phone and call Bill 939 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: and he'll pick it up, you know what I mean. 940 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: I think that says enough as it is. And we 941 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: have a great relationship. And we had a great relationship 942 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: when I was playing for him too, because guess what, 943 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: the only time me and Bill ever had a problem 944 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: wounds contract time. That's the only time, bid Bill they 945 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,919 Speaker 1: never have a problem because he knew I was gonna 946 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: give him all I got when I'm out there. I 947 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: knew he was gonna coach me hard. We didn't have 948 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,760 Speaker 1: a problem then, you know, always we had a difference 949 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: of opinion when it came, you know, to contract, and 950 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: he has to do what he has to do and 951 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 1: I have to do what I have to do. And 952 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: that's the only time in you know, it's been all 953 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: up ever since. Maybe that's the moral to the story 954 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 1: than tie. And maybe that's the thing that's so difficult 955 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: for people to understand, is that it is a business, 956 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, and when there's mutual respect, and clearly that 957 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: was the case with you and Bill. You know, it 958 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: has to be gratifying to you that today, as you 959 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: just said, you can pick up the phone call and 960 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: you know he's going to answer it. But when business 961 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: was on the table, you guys handled business. You had 962 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: to look out for yourself. He was looking out for 963 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: the team. If you're mature enough to understand that it 964 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: is just business, then that just makes things that much 965 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 1: better once the time comes for you to come back 966 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: into the fold. Is that a fair way to say it? Oh? Absolutely, 967 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: And guess what I understood even though Bill had his 968 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,839 Speaker 1: way of going about so I understood what he was doing. 969 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: So I didn't even you know, you can't wait, you 970 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: can't help but to take it personally, because even though 971 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: that might be not the intention, or maybe it was. 972 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: That's why they call it negotiating. He might say something 973 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: not that this happened, but he might say something that, 974 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: you know, poke your a little bit, you know, make 975 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,320 Speaker 1: you feel a certain way, so, you know, take you 976 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: out your game, to make you think of it as personal. 977 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, as a competitor, you 978 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: you don't want to hear anything negative. You don't want 979 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: to hear what you didn't do. You know what you 980 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, the prodect that you put out there on 981 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: the field. But Belichick, he has an obligation, you know, 982 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 1: to the team. As players, we have obligations to ourselves 983 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to this. And once we come here 984 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: and we meet and we both agree on something, now 985 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: we both are obligated to the team, you know what 986 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: I mean. But when it comes contract time and you're 987 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: up you're a free agent or you're up for a renegotiation, 988 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,360 Speaker 1: that's where the separation happens. And guess what, that's just business. 989 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: I think too many people go into it taking it personal. 990 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: You got to take the personal of it, you know 991 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,800 Speaker 1: what I mean. I think Belichick is one of the 992 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: best in the business when it comes to, you know, 993 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: telling you what you want to hear for the contract, 994 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: or telling you what you don't want to hear, you 995 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: know whatever. He has to use his advantage. But that's 996 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: this business to me, and I look at it. That's 997 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 1: genius And we can wrap up here. But I would 998 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: just add that I always used your case as an 999 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,359 Speaker 1: example that offseason where you guys had a little bit 1000 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: of a dispute and then as soon as you were 1001 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,800 Speaker 1: resigned or back in camp, it was business as usual. 1002 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: You would have never known anything happened between you two 1003 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: and the off season you're right back out there. And 1004 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: I would use that as an example of the business 1005 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,439 Speaker 1: side versus the football side. Right absolutely, But I think 1006 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: you know, the player most of the time gets the 1007 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: bad rap, you know, more more than anything. You start 1008 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: to see a little bit now and they saying if 1009 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 1: you're a certain type of player, if you're looked at 1010 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: a certain way, you have more you know power. But 1011 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: back then, any time a player says they're gonna hold 1012 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: out or they not getting enough, they were always deft, greedy, 1013 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: or a bad person. You know what I mean, And 1014 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: it's not like that. So I'm finally, you know, I'm 1015 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: glad people are starting to catch up a little bit 1016 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: that it worked two ways. Ty can't thank you enough 1017 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: for joining us this afternoon. Um, what are you going with? There? 1018 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: Is that original or is that cucumber that you have 1019 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: in front of? Oh? This this is the original, you 1020 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 1: know what I mean? This is the you know, the 1021 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: one that one big fan of the original that still appreciated. Man. 1022 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: So this is, uh, this the granddaddy of them all, 1023 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: the big, the big bottle, you know what I mean. 1024 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: But my personal favorite is the cucumber. Like I say, 1025 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: but that was some lemonade called the pick six. Oh Claude, Hey, 1026 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: as soon as it hit five o'clock, it's on, right, 1027 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: So we need to work at five o'clock somewhere, right, 1028 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: right right. We need to work with our sponsorship team 1029 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that m V one is the official 1030 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: vodka the Paths from the Past podcast unofficially. We at 1031 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: least can say that now, right, Bryan, Oh right, yeah, yeah, 1032 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,759 Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta we gotta work on that. We 1033 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: gotta work on that. I have peppermint downstairs, so oh yeah, hey, hey, 1034 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: put that with some little chocolate licurse. I'm trying to 1035 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,720 Speaker 1: tell you, put us something to have a white chocolatey 1036 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: y'allbot Baby gonna get a drink by drink love it TI. 1037 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for you time, Mana A thank you later. Thank 1038 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,120 Speaker 1: you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, 1039 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: and everywhere else you listen. Like the show, Please rate 1040 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 1: and review us. Listener comments and ratings help keep us 1041 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: high on the podcast rankings so new listeners can find us. 1042 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: Be sure to checkpatriots dot com for more news and 1043 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: more podcasts.