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Speaker 3: Though we did not need a Game five of Pacer Celtics,

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Speaker 3: We've joked on the show, it's like vibes. It's like

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Speaker 1: Even Al Horford has nights. I mean, Al Horford could

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they look they almost look like a different version

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even getting the kid out of Duke Lively,

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Speaker 1: terribly talented offensively. It was a lot of Dave towards

426
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Speaker 1: it and Henry Steele and Maurice Lucas. So I mean,

427
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Speaker 1: to win was very much about Bill Walton. But I

428
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Speaker 1: thought one of the interesting things was that we've talked

429
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Speaker 1: about this before many it's surprising how often many of

430
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Speaker 1: the great players in basketball have such unique games. Now,

431
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: Kobe clearly copied a lot of Michael but generally nobody

432
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 1: played like Kareem Nobody played like George Gervin. There was

433
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 1: no pre bird to Bird. Lebron was a Swiss Army knife.

434
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 1: Magic was totally unique. Bill Waller was unique. There was

435
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: no Rvidas Sabonis there. He was the first player that

436
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: came out and would gladly. I mean, if the Blazers

437
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: would have had multiple great offensive players, he would have

438
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: been more robust and dynamic as a distributor. But Walton

439
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: and I remember watching him, the games weren't national. Remember

440
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: you only got like the finals national and that was

441
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: on tape delay, so you didn't get the regionalization. And

442
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: I lived I lived two hours between Seattle and Portland,

443
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: but we got Sonic games. So like, unless I went

444
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: to Portland or they were on this Sunday game with

445
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: CBS Brett Musberg, you didn't see Walton. So I only

446
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: probably saw him six to seven to eight times, most

447
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: of it against the Sixers in the finals. And I

448
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: just remember thinking the hair, the headband. I'm like, I've

449
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: never seen anything like that. Even as a kid, You're like,

450
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 1: what is that? You know he had this he almost

451
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: shot it like a guard, the way he had his

452
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Speaker 1: hands perven So there are certain things in life as

453
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Speaker 1: an old guy I wish young people could have seen.

454
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Speaker 1: I've said this before. I wish people in their twenties

455
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: understood how great boxing was forty years ago, how great

456
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: it was like the Super Bowl and and and when

457
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Speaker 1: Bill Walton passed, he touched so many lives. So many

458
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: of the feed things on the feedbacks today on the

459
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: internet were so touching. I think Bill Walton would have

460
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: been he would have worked today. He really is a

461
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Speaker 1: today player. There there's my take. He was. He was

462
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: forty to fifty years ahead of his time. A lot

463
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: of people are eight to ten years ahead of their time.

464
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: I honestly, I honestly think Walton was fifty years ahead

465
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Speaker 1: of his time. Who do you have a player that

466
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Speaker 1: you watched when you were eight nine years old that

467
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: literally is imprinted Doctor j and Bill Walton stand out

468
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Speaker 1: to me, you know.

469
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Speaker 3: Lebron was always that for me when I was growing up.

470
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Speaker 3: And it's it's very interesting because the way you put it,

471
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Speaker 3: it's it kind of a piggybacks off what we talked

472
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Speaker 3: about last week in the sense that like all of

473
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Speaker 3: these all time creates, they're almost all weird.

474
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Speaker 2: There's like a weird element to them.

475
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Speaker 3: And I agree with you that Bill Walton I think

476
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 3: would have done really well in today's NBA because he

477
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: was that connective piece and so many NBA teams now

478
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: are running five out offense, which I'm not going to

479
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: get into it, but the gist of it is it

480
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: depends on a big guy that can make decisions, that

481
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: can set screens and read the floor. The balls in

482
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Speaker 3: the big guy's hands a lot in a lot of

483
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: these modern NBA offenses, right, And like you know, it's

484
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: funny though for me, Bill Walton, for everything mostly comes

485
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Speaker 3: down to what he was as a broadcaster, right, which

486
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 3: is weird. Yeah, yeah, what's so funny is ida buddy.

487
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: His name was Matt Quartek. He played at the University

488
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 3: of Arizona and I remember he was he registered there

489
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 3: one year and he played behind those awesome front lines

490
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: with like Aaron Gordon and Stanley Johnson and Caleb Tarzuski

491
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 3: and then but I remember he came off the bench

492
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Speaker 3: for those guys. He had a big game against Stanford

493
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: on the road, and I remember he gotta throw it

494
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: down big Man one time from Bill Walton on the call,

495
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: and like me and my buddies were ras at him

496
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: about that forever, because that's the dream, Like you got

497
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: Bill Walton talking about you'd being the big man dunkin

498
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: down the lane. Like he just was always iconic as

499
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Speaker 3: a broadcaster, and like he always just brought this insane

500
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Speaker 3: energy right uh, to to to the to that environment.

501
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Speaker 3: Even when you'd go to McHale Center, because I used

502
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Speaker 3: to go to a lot of University of Arizona games,

503
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Speaker 3: Like you'd sit up there and you'd actually see him

504
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 3: on the on the sideline and he stand out from

505
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Speaker 3: the crowd because.

506
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: He's so damn tall.

507
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: And he's like waving his arms and he's getting all active.

508
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Speaker 1: And Jason, he also was ahead of his time. He

509
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Speaker 1: was very much against the Vietnam War. He was sit

510
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: ins on UCLA's campus like he was. We had some

511
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Speaker 1: track and field athletes that were socially conscious conscious. Bill

512
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Speaker 1: was one of the first outspoken athletes I can remember.

513
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: I there's a there's a great story about him. So

514
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Speaker 1: he was close to John Wooden until John Wooden's passing.

515
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Speaker 1: John a very humble man, lived in a very Bill Plashky.

516
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Speaker 1: The La Times wrote about it today that Walton would

517
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Speaker 1: call him a couple of times a week, and he

518
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Speaker 1: called him on his nineteen ninetieth birthday and Plashky was

519
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: there and John Wooden said, you know, I don't do

520
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: much of the talking, but Bill calls regularly, and he goes.

521
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Speaker 1: You know, there's no more enjoyable phone call I get

522
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Speaker 1: than a couple of times a week from Bill Walton.

523
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Speaker 1: But when he got to UCLA, Walton wouldn't cut his hair,

524
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: and so he said, coach, very iconic plastic, I'm not

525
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Speaker 1: going to cut my hair. And John Wooden said, well,

526
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Speaker 1: we'll miss you. So Bill got in his bicycle and

527
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: bicycle across campus to a barber, but we lost. I

528
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: went and looked at I went to watch YouTube highlights

529
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Speaker 1: of Bill Walton. Today, I went back and I do

530
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Speaker 1: this when somebody passes. Could be you know Glenn Fry

531
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Speaker 1: the Eagles, or you know anybody in sports and Bill

532
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Speaker 1: today I sat there before the Celtics game for about

533
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes and I went back and watched some college

534
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: stuff and then his blazer stuff. And for a kid

535
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Speaker 1: from the Northwest, Bill was really special. I want to

536
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about something that makes being an

537
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: nbagm very difficult. It's very unique to the culture. So

538
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: in football, most of your star players and almost all

539
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: players Jason get in line with the coach, the culture,

540
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: the system. There's not a lot of pushback. It's very

541
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: It's not an independent sport. I mean even Brandon IU

542
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: will go erase his social media stuff, but he's a Niner.

543
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: He wants to be a Niner. And the NBA is different.

544
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: And there were almost no offers for Kyrie Irving out

545
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: of Brooklyn. He was talks at it. It was February fifth,

546
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: twenty was at twenty three no offers. So I mean Brooklyn,

547
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: you had the vaccine situation. But this is why Kawhi

548
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 1: got a big contract, Jimmy Butler, who had bounced around

549
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: in Miami. This is why Kyrie is going to get one.

550
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: Because if you can get that player that's transcended and

551
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 1: you just get him in the right frame of mind,

552
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: you get trophies and it's as great as the basketball

553
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: talent is. Man, Jason, there's like eight players in the

554
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: planet that are just different. And I'm watching Kyrie and

555
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: Traffic and I'm like, I don't there's no comp I

556
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: don't even.

557
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: Know what that is.

558
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: He's better than Isaiah offensively, he doesn't shoot like Steph,

559
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: but he's better around the rim and traffic, he's better

560
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: with his left hand. I mean, like when they made

561
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: the move, I said, you got to get Luca somebody,

562
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, and nobody wants to give you a great player.

563
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to swing because nobody's gonna say, oh,

564
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: they've got Luca, let's give him another great player, or

565
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: you're done. What was your initial thought when they got Kyrie?

566
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Speaker 2: I loved the deal.

567
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: I you know. One of the things that really bothers

568
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,239
Speaker 3: me about the way that deal has looked back at

569
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: as like super risky and like, don't get me wrong,

570
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: there was a certain element of risk and I loved you.

571
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: I loved your opening. I think it was your open

572
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: on the Herd today where you mentioned like pat Riley

573
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: getting Jimmy Butler. It's like, yeah, that was a dude

574
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: who is mercurial and was like gotten fights with players

575
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: at practice and it was obviously like a very weird

576
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: type of ego. And he's been amazing in Miami. Lebron

577
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: James is a guy like if he did leave the

578
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: Lakers this summer, which I don't believe you do, but

579
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: there's been he will, but there's been some reports like

580
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: the maybe Phoenix is interested, maybe Philadelphia is interested. You

581
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: don't think if you signed Lebron James at a veteran minimum,

582
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: it's going to come with a lot of additional stuff

583
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: like media, like a lot of like a just drama

584
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: over the course of the season, just by virtue of

585
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: his star power. That's like part of the risk is

586
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: just bringing in that type of like real big personality

587
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: into a locker room.

588
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: Right.

589
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: The part that bothers me about the way the Kyrie

590
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: thing was looked back at is it made so much

591
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: sense to me at the time because of why he

592
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: was requesting a trade. He wasn't requesting a trade because

593
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: he wanted to leave. He wasn't requesting a trade because

594
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: he just wanted a change of scenery. He was in

595
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: a contract year and Sean Marks wasn't going to give

596
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: him a new deal, so he was heavily incentivized to

597
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: go into his next situation and bring his a game

598
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: both on the court and off the court. It was like,

599
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: if there was a time to buy Kyrie, that was

600
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: the time to buy Kyrie. It made a ton of

601
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: sense and like and honestly, looking back at it, I

602
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: remember saying this at the time.

603
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: Loved the deal.

604
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: They just needed to nail some stuff after the fact,

605
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: and they did. They went to the summer, they got

606
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: the sign and trade for Grant Williams, which ended up

607
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: being a vehicle for them to use at this year's

608
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: trade deadline. They got Derek Lively, who has been I mean,

609
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: we're underselling him on this show. He's he's arguably better

610
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: than Gafford's He's a better passer on the role, he's

611
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: a better defensive player, like, he's an incredible player. And

612
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: then obviously Daniel Gafford in the deal.

613
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: PJ.

614
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: Washington and the deal, we talked about the veteran minimum

615
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: signing of Derek Jones Junior. He's probably the best veteran

616
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: minimum signing that any team has made in the league

617
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: this year. Like they nailed the stuff on the margins

618
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: after the fact and tied it all together. And what

619
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: it really comes down to is this, and this is

620
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: why the risk, why I love the risk when you

621
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: have real superstars that can do the really hard stuff

622
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: to replicate. Like to your point about TJ McConnell, love

623
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: TJ McConnell, played with them, played against him a few

624
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: times at Arizona. He legitimately is like like an awesome competitor,

625
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: a dude that's really fun to watch, but yeah, he's

626
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: not going to be able to get a bucket against

627
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: a really locked in Celtics defense, right, Like the really

628
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: difficult to replicate stuff Hyrie can do. Right, So then

629
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: you can you can by virtue having Luca and having Kyrie.

630
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 3: You can then go get players that are specialists, and

631
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: specialists are easier to find at discount and from there

632
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: you can build out a roster that where it's like, hey,

633
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: I don't need you to, you know, come off of

634
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: this dribble handoff and make decisions in the lane the

635
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: way that KCP does for the Nuggets. I just need

636
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 3: you to guard Anthony Edwards and go stand in the corner.

637
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: And the only way you have the ability to do

638
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: that is if you give Luca a legitimate secondary shot creator.

639
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: It made a ton of sense that he would. He

640
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: obviously got dragged through the mud for good reason. He

641
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: got dragged through the mud there for a couple of

642
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 3: years in Brooklyn. Wasn't just the COVID stuff either. He

643
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: was like ghosting on Steve Nash without telling him, Like

644
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: he just go celebrate his sister's birthday for a week

645
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 3: and like just leave the team. Like he was bad.

646
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: He did a really bad job. But he had learned

647
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: behind the scenes that he would pay the price by

648
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: virtue of him not getting a new deal from Brooklyn.

649
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: So that was the best time to buy. I thought

650
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: Mark Cuban made the right risk there, and they've nailed

651
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: everything since then and the rest is history. I mean,

652
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: here they are, They're going to be in the NBA Finals.

653
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: I've wondered for years why Dallas isn't a greater destination

654
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: or a more alluring destination for free agents. Never have

655
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 1: a five hour flight. If you play there, you're right

656
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of the country. I mean, if you're

657
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: playing in the Pacific northwest of the West, you got

658
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: five six hour flights all the time. It's a winter league.

659
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: It's not Phoenix for Miami, but it's you know, it's doable.

660
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Winter weather, forty degrees forty eight to fifty two when

661
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: you land, no state tax, beautiful women everywhere. I always

662
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: Somebody once suggested that Mark Cuban was such a prominent

663
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: star as an owner that he could take some of

664
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: the appeal off star players that Europeans didn't mind that,

665
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, European Dirk and Luca, they don't want the press.

666
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: But sometimes an agent wouldn't send his domestic star to

667
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: Dallas because Cuban is such a star. Plus it's a

668
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: cowboy town. So people have suggested, you know. But I

669
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll watch pro athletes and they'll you know, like

670
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: when Justin Field says I want to play for the Steelers,

671
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you already had a defensive coach. You

672
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: don't want another one. You're going to be a backup

673
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: to Russell Wilson, that's not where you want to go.

674
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins goes, I want to go play for Atlanta

675
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: because it's got a great line, offensive weapons and a

676
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: crappy division. And I look at some of these players

677
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: and where they go, and I'm like, why don't more

678
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: guys go to Dallas. I do feel like most European

679
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: players we've talked about this Jason would rather be loyal,

680
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: Like they just rather stay and not. They don't want

681
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: to bounce around the league, you know. I mean they

682
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: it's almost like they feel like they want that one.

683
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: They love their homeland. These guys are on a golf

684
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: stream the second the championship parades over seasons and they

685
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: and they just want a second home and that's where

686
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: they get drafted. They don't they don't want to beat

687
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: They've those those guys bounce around Europe. I mean, Europeans

688
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: travel because of their training system. They travel more than

689
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: we do. Those guys bounce around their country. That's that's

690
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: what they know. They come over here. They want to

691
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: keep it simple. They want to play in San Antonio, Dallas, uson.

692
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: They don't want to bounce around, so I you know,

693
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: for Dirk. I felt like there was so much disappointment

694
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: until he finally got it. It's if Luke, if Luca

695
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: can win a title, boy, Dallas could be really good

696
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: for a long time. I think there's a lot of

697
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: guys because you know what, sometimes it just takes a catalyst.

698
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Jokic. Now you look at Denver, this football market,

699
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: this hockey mark whatever, it's like, oh no, it's gonna

700
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: be for a decade of basketball market and it takes

701
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: certain players that you know, whether it's the Georgetown hoyas

702
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: with John Thompson. Sometimes in college the coach is the catalyst.

703
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, would you sign Kyrie if if if

704
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: you had to sign Kyrie to way, has he signed

705
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: an extension.

706
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: Or I think he has like two years left on

707
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: That's what I.

708
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: Think it is. But my takeaway is if you had

709
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: to sign him, would you extend him for three and

710
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: four years?

711
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: So he he has a player option after next season,

712
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: so they have him locked up for additional season, And like,

713
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. It all depends on his

714
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: level of play. Like right now, he's thirty two years old,

715
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 3: so it kind of just depends on whether or not

716
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: his body holds up over the course of the next season. Now,

717
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: my thing is, like you you find out pretty quickly

718
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: that the gap between a Kyrie Irving and then like

719
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: a league average replacement guard someone like Andrew Nemhard is

720
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: like a huge gap, and it's really hard to make

721
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: up for that, right, so you know, you know, my

722
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: thing is like you want to set yourself up for

723
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 3: you talked about being you said one of the easiest

724
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: ways to win is being a dynasty. And one of

725
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: the first things I thought when you said that is

726
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: like kind of like what Michael Malone was saying after

727
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: they lost to Minnesota, which is like you kind of

728
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: it's more about getting three and five or four and seven.

729
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: And what that means to me is like, sometimes you

730
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: catch a bad matchup, sometimes a guy gets hurt, like

731
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: Jamal Murray had a calf muscle issue this year, right,

732
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: So like sometimes there are just things that break your

733
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: way or don't break your way, Like, for instance, Dallas

734
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 3: didn't have to face Denver out of the Western Conference.

735
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: It's very possible that if they ran into Denver they

736
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: could have lost that a bad matchup, Yeah, exactly, and

737
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: so so so Honestly, the way the way I look

738
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: at it, like you just want to make sure that

739
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: you're in the mix multiple years in a row because

740
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: something might break your way, and like if it breaks

741
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: your way, all of a sudden, you're in the dance.

742
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: Right.

743
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: So, like, again the way I look at it, I

744
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: think they'll obviously retain him, just simply because you could

745
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: trade him at that point if you wanted to, Like

746
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: if Kyrie, if you sign him for a two plus

747
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: one and then he's like, you know, halfway through the

748
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: first year, he's either declining a little bit or maybe

749
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 3: Luca gets hurt or something like, you can pivot. It's

750
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: in my opinion, it always makes more sense to retain

751
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: the star because you can trade the star. Like every

752
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: once in a while, someone screws up, Like look at

753
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: zach Levine. Zach Lavine makes too much money, He's not

754
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: good enough, nobody wants him, right, and it's just it's

755
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: and zach Lvine's an interesting player, he just makes so

756
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: much money that no team would be willing to sacrifice

757
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: what it takes to bring him in, right. But like

758
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: every time there's a star that needs to get traded,

759
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: just find a way to trade him. And so when

760
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: push comes to Shob, I think he'll end up just

761
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 3: re upping and then maybe getting traded to a certain

762
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: destination when the timing's right.

763
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be an interesting off season.

764
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: I think Paul George is fascinating to me. I think

765
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: he could make Philadelphia really a handful, and I think

766
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: he works in New York. I just don't think he

767
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: wants it. I think that, you know, Balmer's the richest

768
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: or second richest owner in the sport. He's opening his

769
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: new arena. He's not letting guys go. And Paul George.

770
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, you have to be in

771
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: alpha to be an NBA player. Largely, even Jason Tatum

772
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: or Anthony Davis, they may not be, you know, like

773
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: the supreme Alpha, but these guys are driven, competitive as hell.

774
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: I if you had to predict one big move, gods,

775
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: Paul George is gonna stay. You know. Here's the other thing.

776
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: I think Golden State is now kind of understands Joe

777
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Lacob's one of the wealthier owners. I think they sort

778
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: of understand like this, we tried to bridge old and new,

779
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: and they're not going to bring Chris Paul back. Probably

780
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: his name's getting bounced around. I think the Warriors are

781
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: going to be a big player somewhere. I think we're

782
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: concentrating on Philly and New York, and I understand that

783
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: it's just a much easier avenue to get to the

784
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: conference finals. In the finals, like, there's no disputing that. God,

785
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: how good is the West going to be next year?

786
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: But I think Golden State full of smart people. Jason

787
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: looks at okay See, looks at Denver, looks at Dallas.

788
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, we're not even close. Like you said,

789
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: there's a big gap between a Kyri Paul George and

790
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: your average good wing defender. Paul can really dial it up.

791
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: So I think teams like Golden State are like, right now,

792
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: you know, we're all fucking Klay Thompson, Chris Paul want

793
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: to do. I think they're going to take a huge swing.

794
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: That's my get. Maybe it's Karl Anthony Towns. What do

795
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: you think?

796
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: I think so too.

797
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: I think Dallas is the perfect example of why you

798
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: should take a really big swing. I was actually talking

799
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: about this with a buddy of mine, sam As Fondirio,

800
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: covers the Warriors, and like I was talking about it,

801
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: with him this morning, Like Dallas is the perfect example

802
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: of why you look at your current situation with Steph

803
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: Curry and you go, wait, if we bring him a

804
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: second star and we hit like one or two moves

805
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: on the margins, we could be right back in this thing.

806
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: But Dallas missed the playoffs last year, like they literally

807
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 3: missed a ten team playoff field. And it's the same

808
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: two stars. They just made a couple of tweaks with

809
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: specific role players. As long as your two stars work.

810
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: Now to your point, there's a lot of fun stuff

811
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: to talk about this summer, like Paul George potentially going somewhere,

812
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: Like I would be lying if I didn't think it'd

813
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: be fun, even though I don't think it'll happen. To

814
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: see a Lebron James go to Phoenix and play alongside

815
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, Bradley be Old, Devin Booker, those sorts of things.

816
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: I think this is going to be the summer of

817
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: the move of the Tier two stars. So like I

818
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: think you'll see a Darius Garland move somewhere. I'd love

819
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 3: to see Darius Garland in San Antonio with Webbin Yama.

820
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 3: I think that'd be super fascinating. I think you'll see

821
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: a Dejonte Murray get moved. De Jontay Murray's a guy

822
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: who I think would make Golden State a really fascinating

823
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: team if you gave Steph a real athletic backcourt shot

824
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: creator next to him, that would fit I think really

825
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: well in their five out attack, the way that they

826
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: the way that they go. I think you'll see a

827
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: Mikhale Bridges get pulled into a like McHale Bridge is

828
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: a guy that you might see with the New York Knicks,

829
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: you might see get moved to one of these teams.

830
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: And so I think it's going to be the Tier

831
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: two guys that move. But again, if you don't think

832
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: about them as like real needle movers, think about them

833
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: as guys that would offer support to existing Tier one stars.

834
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: It's not de Jontey Murray in a vacuum, It's is

835
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: Jana Murray next to Steph Curry. It's not you know,

836
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: Darius Garland in a vacuum. It's Terius Garland next to

837
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: Victor Webbin Yama. It's those are the types of moves

838
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: that I think could have sizeable impact. Kyrie is a

839
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: big name, and Kyrie has a lot of like star

840
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 3: power behind him. But like, Kyrie's not a guy that's

841
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: regarded as a top fifteen player in the league. He's

842
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: just in the perfect role for him right now, secondary

843
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: shot creator on a team where they have somebody that

844
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: can guard. He doesn't have to guard the other team's

845
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: best guard. He doesn't even have to be the guy

846
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: that runs the offense for the majority of the game.

847
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: He can play off of Luca. And how often have

848
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: we seen Kyrie in this playoff run like chill for

849
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: three quarters and then come in to start the fourth

850
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: quarter and be like, all right, let's go, I'm going

851
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: to attack this game. So like again, I think that

852
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: those kinds of moves they can there's a tendency to

853
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: always be like does that really move the needle? Does

854
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: that really move the needle? I see that so differently.

855
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: Like to me, basketball is more art than science. It's

856
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: not about nolating talent points. It's not about accumulating talent

857
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: points and like, oh, we hit the magic score of

858
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: we have enough talent on the roster. It's like, no,

859
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: you have responsibilities your team needs to fulfill on the court.

860
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: And if you bring in a really good player, that

861
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: can take a bunch of those responsibilities. It even takes

862
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: your other role players and makes them play better because

863
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 3: now they don't need to do as much. You know,

864
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: like it to me, to me like that, that sort

865
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: of thing. A lot of people overthink that. It's like,

866
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: that's why I'm a big believer. And you're in the

867
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: thing that.

868
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: You always preach, which is like, take those risks. If

869
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: you're close, take the risk.

870
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: Dallas put it all on the line this year, yep,

871
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: by trading that first round draft pick at the deadline.

872
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: They have all of their eggs in this basket. And

873
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: you know what, it might have failed. Maybe PJ. Washington

874
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: doesn't get that foul call on the corner three. Maybe

875
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: you head back to Oklahoma City for Game seven and

876
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: you lose in Okay, see advances, and then everyone calls

877
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: you idiots, right, but no, that's not what happened. And

878
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: here they're going to go to the NBA Finals, And

879
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: so I love it. I wish more teams would do

880
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 3: that sort of thing.

881
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think it's hard sometimes where

882
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, taking big swings. First of all, you have

883
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: to be built for it. You have to be like

884
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: Miami can do it because of their history and their legacy,

885
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, for the Mavericks to do it. Mark Cuban,

886
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: you know, is moves out, so you have new ownership,

887
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: you have a relatively new front office. Luca's kind of

888
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: a new star. Dallas deserves a lot of credit to

889
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: just say we're just we're gonna take some big swings here.

890
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: But I also think there is an advantage because when

891
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: you're in a market with the Dallas Cowboys, even the

892
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: Texas Rangers and Sark and the Texas Longhorns, you know,

893
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: Dallas stars now are good. I do think there's something

894
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: to be said about competitive markets. I think over the

895
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: course of my life, I've watched New York teams sometimes

896
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: be too aggressive to keep up with the Yankees of

897
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: the Giants, right, like too aggressive. And I think Dallas

898
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: the advantage to being the Mavericks is when we make

899
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: little mistakes, people don't pay attention to them. They pay

900
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: attention to the cowboys.

901
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: Right.

902
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: That's a cowboy town. So you're allowed to be a

903
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: little bit under the radar in terms of national scope

904
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: and even local scope because you're in a cowboy It's

905
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: like being in Philadelphia. I mean, the Phillies are huge,

906
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: the Sixers are gigantic, the Eagles are big, right, Like

907
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: you're all sharing that, and I think I think Dallas,

908
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, they had the Dirk title, Cuban made them

909
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: incredibly relevant. And not that it's easier to take swings,

910
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: but they you know, they weren't the Warriors, they weren't

911
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: the heat They they weren't the Lakers of the Celtics brand.

912
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: And so I think that they were really smart swings,

913
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: really smart thoughtful swings. And I think we all went

914
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: on that stuff. You know, I say this even in football.

915
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: The advantage in football if you take a big swing

916
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: and miss, like Russell Wilson, is the draft provides you

917
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: so many good players. I mean, like the story now

918
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: is Bonix is just crushing it for Denver. Okay, you

919
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: got the quarterbacks all one, one class, whereas you know

920
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: the NBA draft can give you lively to the Mavericks.

921
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: But you know he and he's been terrific. I went

922
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: and read his draft preview tonight as I'm watching the

923
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: game the other night, as I'm flying, I'm reading it

924
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, it was gonna be a good

925
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: they said, good backup player. Nice little passer. I mean,

926
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: they really marginalized him to like a six minute a

927
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: game guy. And he comes in and he's a factor.

928
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: But it's harder to take sometimes chances in the NBA

929
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: because you don't get bailed out by the draft.

930
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: You just don't.

931
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: And so the guys deserve when you take these big swings,

932
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: These gms deserve credit. There is no safety net, you know,

933
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. It's a year later, we got one more

934
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: year a dead cap. We're done, all right, We're done.

935
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: And so I what Dallas did. Take some cajonas and

936
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: I think it and they've been rewarded. I just I

937
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: think swings for me create content and.

938
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: I'm oh, for sure, so you love them?

939
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just want swings. Any final thoughts, Let's

940
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: circle back to the Celtics Mavericks and that's what it'll

941
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: I'll say this again. The most fascinating part of it

942
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: is Tatum will sign a bigness. So Jalen Brown got

943
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: his money, Porzingis has his, Derek White has some, but

944
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum's gonna sign his MAX when the season's over.

945
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: So you'll be fine if they don't want it this year.

946
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: For one more year's run. But if you lost to

947
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: Dallas this year, last year, next year would be so

948
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: pressurized for Boston, like this is it, Fellas, So I

949
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of feel like you want to get it now,

950
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: not later, because once Tatum signs, it's like, Okay, guys,

951
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: this is it. We got no bench. You can forget

952
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: your bench. It's over, Connie, I'll circle back again. I

953
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: think that's the one thing about Boston. I could see

954
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: him getting really tight, really tight in this series.

955
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 3: Well, and to your point, the as you get into

956
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: the future, there's also the second Apron rules that come

957
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: into effect too, where Boston could be very handicapped in

958
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: terms of what they're or handcuffed, I should say, in

959
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 3: terms of what they're allowed to do to do things

960
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: to supplement the roster, Like you can't even use the

961
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: taxpayer mid level exception when you're in the second Apron,

962
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: Like you can't even sign anybody unless it's a veteran

963
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: minimum contract over the summer. Like, there's a lot of

964
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 3: restrictions that come into play when you have that type

965
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: of salary on your roster.

966
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: I think like the big key to watch.

967
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 3: Is Jason Tatum, Like if they lose and it's a

968
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 3: competitive six to seven game series and you feel like

969
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: Tatum goes toe to toe with Luca, Yeah, you're fine.

970
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 3: But the one, the one thing that I think would

971
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 3: actually be real crisis for Boston is what if they

972
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 3: go in and they lose in games in the NBA

973
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: Finals in Tatum's bad because if that happens, it's like, oh, wait,

974
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 3: this whole construct is flawed because our best guy can't

975
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: go toe to toe with the other best guys. That

976
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 3: would be that would be the catastrophe. And because at

977
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: this point, it's like, man, we are two whole years

978
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: removed from that Steph Curry incident in twenty twenty two

979
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: when he was amazing for three rounds and then just

980
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: completely fell apart in the NBA Finals, right, And so like,

981
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: I think that's the one thing that would that would

982
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: cause me to like really press the panic button if

983
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 3: I was Boston. But even if they lost, if Tatum

984
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: can looks like he kind of met the level and

985
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: kind of met the moment, then it's like, man, next year,

986
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: we're definitely going to get it done. Like that, that's

987
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 3: where you start to feel really confident. And by the way,

988
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 3: you know Tatum has been frustrating offensively in this playoff run,

989
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: but we do not talk nearly enough about what an

990
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: impactful defensive athlete he is.

991
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: He's big, he's strong, he's master the most of the guys.

992
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: He's long, he can he can guard centers, he could,

993
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: Like it's so funny watching how like anytime anybody tries

994
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: to isolate or do something against Tatum on an island,

995
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: it's just hopeless, Like he just swallows him up because

996
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 3: he's And I'm really really excited. That's one of the

997
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: biggest things I'm looking forward to in the next series

998
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: is like how many times are they going to watch

999
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: Luca you know, Bully Drew Holliday, Bully Derek White, Bully

1000
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown before you know. Joe Mizoula goes like, all right,

1001
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, you're guarding you, and I really want to

1002
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: see that specific matchup. But like, yeah, I'm I'm more

1003
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 3: on the patient route with Boston because they are still

1004
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 3: so much younger than people think. Like Tatum is, what

1005
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 3: is he twenty six now, He's barely getting He's barely

1006
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: entering in the phase where we expect great players to win.

1007
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: He's barely there.

1008
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: Think about let's just rank the top ten players in

1009
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: this final mab Celtics. So Luca one, Tatum two.

1010
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I'd probably go Jalen Brown, Right, what about you?

1011
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: I think just a sturdier athlete, a little bit more consistent.

1012
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: I would probably go Kyrie four.

1013
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1014
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean because of Porzingis's health, God, do I go

1015
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: Derek White?

1016
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: Jesus Derek. I'd go Derek White five.

1017
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Derek White five. If Porzingis is healthy, I'd go Porzingis.

1018
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: Six, Drewe Holliday's probably seven.

1019
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: Seven. Then I go PJ Washington.

1020
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably probably PJ Washington.

1021
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's eight.

1022
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: Gaff I go Lively Probably, I think Lively. I think

1023
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: Lively is a better defensive player and a better passer

1024
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: than Gafford. Gafford's really good and he gets slandered, but

1025
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: I think Lively is a little better than him.

1026
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: Okay, And who's our tenth best player?

1027
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 3: You probably go? Like you probably go I Horford's got

1028
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: to be somewhere in there. Like Horford hits six or

1029
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: seven threes.

1030
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: The other night.

1031
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: If you give him that corner, three, dude, he finds himself.

1032
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: Like you can say what you want about Al Horford,

1033
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: He's had a more than redeemable career, really good veteran,

1034
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: hits open shots, tends to play above his weight in

1035
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: big spots, like never an anxiety player, like he's always

1036
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: ready to play. Sometimes with say Akham, he's just not

1037
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: quick enough, like you can get eaten up with him sometimes.

1038
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: But that's a lot of talent we had to get

1039
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: to like eight or nine, So I mean it's it's

1040
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean one of the things Dallas doesn't deal with

1041
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: is getting all. They don't have a lot of bad

1042
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: half court offensive possessions like Minnesota does, Like they're just

1043
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: awful looking. Indiana's got some clunky ones, Boston doesn't, and

1044
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: Dallas doesn't. It will be aesthetically a really attractive series.

1045
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: It will be like fun, good ball movement great. I

1046
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: mean the degree of difficulty with Luca's insane. I mean

1047
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: he hit shot because you know he's not a big jumper,

1048
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: he's not twitchy fast, so almost everything he's dealing with

1049
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: a hand in his face. He is the great tough

1050
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: always said Phil Mickelson was the great tough shot maker

1051
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: in golf. Lucas the great tough shot maker. He makes

1052
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: more things. He even turns to the sometimes the wrong side,

1053
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: and he'll shoot a following and I'm like, God, why

1054
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: did you make that so hard? It's a fourteen footer.

1055
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be aesthetically a lot like

1056
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: the Warrior Celtics series, where you can't take your eyes

1057
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: off it. It's just really good.

1058
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you know Luca, Luca's I did a

1059
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 3: film session on him this morning because the end of

1060
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: that game I thought was super fascinating.

1061
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: How like it was one o four, one oh four, and.

1062
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody thought Minnesota was going to win

1063
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 3: that game, you know, And it starts with a big

1064
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Speaker 3: mistake Anthony Edwards leadst PJ Washington wide open in the corner.

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Speaker 3: It's a three. It's one oh seven to one to four.

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Speaker 3: But from there, down the stretch of the game, Luca

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Speaker 3: and Kyrie made three tough, contested pull up jump shots.

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Speaker 3: Minnesota didn't get a bucket until Anthony Edwards had this

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Speaker 3: like this like garbage time layup. But I want to

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Speaker 3: just zero in really quickly on the Lucas shot over

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Speaker 3: Jada McDaniels. It was the last shot he hit because

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Speaker 3: he had a fade away over Nasried and then he

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Speaker 3: hit one over Jade McDaniels and Jada McDaniels. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I think he's the best perimeter defender in the league.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't match up well with Luca because he's not

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Speaker 3: very strong, but in terms of all the little things

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Speaker 3: that make a perimeter defender great, I think he's got

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Speaker 3: the full package, and he Luca hits this, like you said,

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Speaker 3: a funky kind of release. He hit a shot in

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Speaker 3: the first half against Nikile Alexander Walker where he did

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Speaker 3: awkward kind of reverse footwork where he took like a

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Speaker 3: leaning forward kind of floating jump shot in the lane.

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Speaker 3: He faked that shot against Jaden on that final possession,

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Speaker 3: and Jayden left his feet and got out a position,

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Speaker 3: and then Luca immediately spun out of it over his

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Speaker 3: right shoulder into a fade away and barely got.

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Speaker 2: It off and hit it.

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Speaker 3: And I was literally sitting there thinking like he's going

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Speaker 3: against the best defender in the world, the best perimeter

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Speaker 3: defender in my opinion, and he literally has to get

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Speaker 3: a shot off in this situation, and he actually gets

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Speaker 3: him to leave his feet and it's just enough to

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Speaker 3: barely get the shot. It's like literally a game of inches,

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Speaker 3: and it was based on a fake. I went through

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Speaker 3: my film session today and I showed the shot that

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Speaker 3: he takes, and then I showed the fake, and then

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Speaker 3: I went into the shot that he took, and I

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Speaker 3: was like, this guy is He is the most improvisational

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Speaker 3: shot maker I've ever seen. He can tweak the angle.

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Speaker 3: He hit a step back three over Karl Anthony in

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Speaker 3: the right corner in the fourth quarter where he jab

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Speaker 3: stepped and went a step back. Carl Towns almost blocked it.

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Speaker 3: So he just shot it way up in the air,

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Speaker 3: just shot a moon ball and it just went way

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Speaker 3: up in the air and it came down And I

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Speaker 3: was like, so he just tweaked his whole release and

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Speaker 3: changed the geometry of his shot to get this shot.

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Speaker 2: Off and it went in. Like he is the most

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Speaker 2: creative and audacious.

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Speaker 3: Basketball player I can't remember watching like Like, I don't

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Speaker 3: love everything about Luca. He can complain sometimes I hate

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Speaker 3: the way he talks to the refs all the time. Like,

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Speaker 3: there are some things with Luca that drive me crazy.

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Speaker 3: But as a basketball fan, the shot making is it's

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Speaker 3: like art. It's like art with Luca it's so much

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Speaker 3: fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I always felt Kobe didn't have as many stock

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Speaker 1: moves as Michael and Kobe went down and the canvas

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Speaker 1: was pretty bare sometimes, and you know, you spill a

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Speaker 1: lot of paint. There were some bad Kobe stretches, whereas

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Speaker 1: Michael always went back to two or three like standard

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Speaker 1: mid range moves, which he just owned. And Kobe is

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Speaker 1: willing to be a little bit more of an artist.

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Speaker 1: He had spots on the floor he like, but and

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Speaker 1: so does Luca. All great basketball players have bots and

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Speaker 1: comfort levels. But Jesus, there's just nothing like him in

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Speaker 1: the planet. There's just nothing like Luca. All right, Jason

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Speaker 1: timp hoops tonight. Can't wait. I think we're gonna have Sorry, Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: we're already counting you out, but I think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be I think it's gonna be one of the most dramatic,

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Speaker 1: pressurized finals and one of the most beautiful offensive finals

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Speaker 1: we've seen in a long time. Good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree, can't wait. It's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: See you man the volume. Thanks so much for listening.

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