Speaker 1: Pamela Anderson went to fashion week in Paris with no makeup.
Speaker 1: Now I applaud this, I absolutely applaud this. And I
Speaker 1: don't think she just went with no makeup as just
Speaker 1: what her normal practices. I mean, I've seen her out
Speaker 1: with makeup. I think that she's making a statement, which
Speaker 1: I do like. Like I remember, I think it was
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw who was making a statement with her gray hair,
Speaker 1: and one might say it wasn't a statement, it was
Speaker 1: just that she was letting her gray hair show. But
Speaker 1: I do think it is a statement. I think going
Speaker 1: to Paris Fashion Week, which is fraught with young influencers
Speaker 1: that have millions of followers, that are using filters, ad
Speaker 1: nauseum and face tune, Paris Fashion Week is the place
Speaker 1: where it's a spectacle, a circus, a show. People all
Speaker 1: over social media talk about outfit one Paris Fashion Week.
Speaker 1: Come with me to Chanel, get ready with me to
Speaker 1: go to a Massoony or a Mesquino or Prada or
Speaker 1: Ammumu or whoever, don't shake Abana, whoever showing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fashion week person, as you know, but
Speaker 1: I kind of like the balance between Pamela Anderson, having
Speaker 1: the courage to be seen without makeup at a certain age,
Speaker 1: feeling the feeling at a certain age that you feel
Speaker 1: where it's like I am about so many things that
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with my looks, but also wanting
Speaker 1: to make a statement about it, Like I like that
Speaker 1: Paulina makes a statement about it. I like a woman
Speaker 1: of a certain age leaning in and making a statement
Speaker 1: about it. Because so many young girls are so hyper
Speaker 1: focused on how they physically look, it means they're not
Speaker 1: focusing on themselves emotionally, spiritually. They're really focusing on the superficial.
Speaker 1: And it's a very tempting road to go on. And
Speaker 1: for our kids and for ourselves, we have to exercise
Speaker 1: the other parts of ourselves that aren't about what we
Speaker 1: look like. And I can say I've always walked that
Speaker 1: walk and always talked that talk in my twenties and
Speaker 1: my thirties and my forties and my fifties. I've never
Speaker 1: been vain, and I have never defined myself by what
Speaker 1: I look like. And yet every day on social media,
Speaker 1: someone will criticize me and say I look like some
Speaker 1: woman who's some anorexic person.
Speaker 2: All over TikTok.
Speaker 1: Because I've lost some weight recently because of dental surgery,
Speaker 1: or it's that I look like skeletor or the black
Speaker 1: circles under my eyes, or that I have like a
Speaker 1: little patch where I'm losing hair, or the other day
Speaker 1: I had a piece of hair stuck to my face
Speaker 1: with cotton candy, I mean, with a marshmallow on it.
Speaker 1: People saying I have a hair growing out of my face.
Speaker 1: People really want to trash and bash the way that
Speaker 1: women physically look. And there's something to being a certain
Speaker 1: age and knowing the journey you've been on and what
Speaker 1: it took for you to get those laugh lines, those
Speaker 1: that crow's feet, to have the gray hair, and that
Speaker 1: you really just want to be who you are and
Speaker 1: you don't want it to be defined by how you look.
Speaker 1: And many people who were sex symbols or supermodels resented
Speaker 1: even more because they know that they were judged and
Speaker 1: liked and defined by what they look like. And you
Speaker 1: have to lean into it. You know, I had Tyler
Speaker 1: Cameron on here, and you can tell that he doesn't
Speaker 1: like to be objectified and thought of as just this
Speaker 1: hot guy. He's undeniably hot. Then you have him go
Speaker 1: on Andy Cohen's show, trying to get him to take
Speaker 1: his shirt off and talking really only about how hot
Speaker 1: he is, and make a stereotype of that, did moms
Speaker 1: want you, you know, want to sleep with you when
Speaker 1: you were mowing their lawns or things like that? Like
Speaker 1: those are the low hanging fruit stereotypes that are superficial
Speaker 1: and all about looks. And I like someone leaning into
Speaker 1: I'm making a statement. At Paris Fashion Week arguably the
Speaker 1: most superficial four show put on like hours of hair
Speaker 1: and makeup and filtering and editing and stylists and the machine,
Speaker 1: and now it being all about young social media influencers
Speaker 1: who have no history or education in fashion. They're just
Speaker 1: social media famous. But it's become something even more superficial.
Speaker 1: It used to be about actually looking at the clothes,
Speaker 1: used to be about the art of the fabric and
Speaker 1: the design and the inspiration, And now I think it
Speaker 1: really is just about famous people sitting first row. And
Speaker 1: I think Pamela Anderson made a very strong and powerful
Speaker 1: statement and the people who said negative things.
Speaker 2: About her are vile.
Speaker 1: How could you talk about what someone else should look
Speaker 1: like and how they should have done it? Differently, like
Speaker 1: that's the low. I've talked about people's choices, but to
Speaker 1: talk about someone's physical appearance is really just like that's
Speaker 1: a despicable, disgusting person. Anyone who talks about anyone's physical
Speaker 1: appearance in a negative manner should immediately be removed from
Speaker 1: social media, never to return again. That should be a
Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram rule, Like you talk about someone's physical
Speaker 1: appearance negatively, you are banned for life. What is worse
Speaker 1: for young people?
Speaker 2: What is worse? Nothing?
Speaker 1: So there's so much discussion about Travis Kelsey and Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift something we really don't know very much about it
Speaker 1: all because I've said before that Taylor Swift is as
Speaker 1: famous as the Queen, and every move that she makes
Speaker 1: and every nod that she you know, takes towards towards
Speaker 1: Blake Lively or hug of Travis's mom or whatever they're doing,
Speaker 1: she knows she's doing. So she knows whatever plan she
Speaker 1: has or whatever is going on that we don't know.
Speaker 1: But it does beg the question can there be two
Speaker 1: peacocks in a relationship. The only reason that I am
Speaker 1: not sure about this relationship, although they both deserve to
Speaker 1: be happy. They're both beautiful, they're both young and in
Speaker 1: their prime. Is that it's very hard for there to
Speaker 1: be too peacocks in a relationship. Many of the relationships
Speaker 1: at work with celebrities is one peacock. Matthew McConaughey is
Speaker 1: the peacock in his relationship. Matt Damon is the peacock
Speaker 1: in his relationship. Jennifer Lopez is the peacock in her relationship.
Speaker 1: I am the peacock in my relationship. I believe that
Speaker 1: Haley Bieber is the peacock in that relationship. That's a
Speaker 1: harder one, that's a much harder one. That's when it
Speaker 1: gets to be harder, you know. But I believe that
Speaker 1: Taylor would have to be the peacock in the relationship
Speaker 1: with Travis because he could just stick to like the
Speaker 1: art and the game of football. But when I watch
Speaker 1: him dance around and be the real charismatic entertainer, he
Speaker 1: seems like the peacock. And you know, there were jokes
Speaker 1: about who put each other on the map, and people
Speaker 1: were mad. Men were mad around America that women were
Speaker 1: saying that Taylor put Travis on the map because two
Speaker 1: men and two football, which is massive the NFL is massive.
Speaker 1: It's about ten percent as massive as Taylor Swift is,
Speaker 1: but it's still massive. In his world of football, He's
Speaker 1: on a massive map and he's the peacock. So it's
Speaker 1: just interesting if there can be two people that really
Speaker 1: have that level of fame, that have those responsibilities, someone's
Speaker 1: gonna have to hang back Tom Brady and Giselle. He
Speaker 1: was the peacock in the end. She stayed home in
Speaker 1: Boston to watch the kids, and then she decided it's
Speaker 1: my turn to be the peacock again, and he wanted
Speaker 1: back in. He wanted to go back to playing football.
Speaker 1: So it's not that easy for two people to be
Speaker 1: in the light, you know, to be in the spotlight.
Speaker 1: It's just not that easy. And it's not shady. It's
Speaker 1: just not that easy what happened with Travis and Taylor.
Speaker 1: I was a little bit in trouble for saying it
Speaker 1: was a little over the top. I said what I said.
Speaker 1: I'm not I like her her work, ethic is remarkable,
Speaker 1: her concert was amazing, good role model for girls. New chapter.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little over the top. Why
Speaker 1: can't I have an opinion? I thought that with the
Speaker 1: mom you don't go hug the mom in the first aid.
Speaker 1: Those moms will cut a bitch. Anyone's mom foot well
Speaker 1: kind of bitch. She knows, and she said on the
Speaker 1: Today Show it's okay. It was okay, meaning her or whatever.
Speaker 1: They'll play the game I've been with. The more you
Speaker 1: kiss a mom's ass, my fiance's mom, she's amazing. She's
Speaker 1: one of us. She's not looking for any son's girlfriend
Speaker 1: of friance to like kiss her ass. That's the weak
Speaker 1: The strong woman plays the middle, is respectful, is lovely,
Speaker 1: but gains the respect of the mother in law, not
Speaker 1: like not being all over So I don't think if
Speaker 1: she really liked him, which she probably didn't, it was
Speaker 1: played right. It was either a deal with the NFL
Speaker 1: or just she wants to be known as like that
Speaker 1: hot sexy girl, not like just the girl next door
Speaker 1: blondielocks or who cares? She's out with her girlfriend. She's
Speaker 1: having fun. I like that answer, and people like, who cares?
Speaker 2: What do you care?
Speaker 1: If she was over the top, she was having fun.
Speaker 1: But whatever she was doing, she was knowing she was
Speaker 1: doing it because she is like Queen Elizabeth, and every
Speaker 1: move and every eyelash is looked at, so she knew
Speaker 1: what she was doing. And then some people said it
Speaker 1: was to cover up like her carbon footprint, her CO
Speaker 1: two emissions, that she needed a diversion and a distraction
Speaker 1: because something was coming out. And she's the number one
Speaker 1: on the list. Yeah, she's doing a worldwide tour traveling,
Speaker 1: and she's moved markets, she's changed economies. We cannot have
Speaker 1: everything happen at the same time. I think she's built
Speaker 1: up cities. They've given her to the Keysta cities.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is she supposed to walk, go on a rickshaw, sit
Speaker 1: in a friend flintstone car with the bottom out, and
Speaker 1: use her feet? How the fuck is she supposed to
Speaker 1: get everywhere? Jeff Blue, I literally don't know. What is
Speaker 1: she supposed to do? Calling elon Musk, stop at Morris First,
Speaker 1: and then go down to fucking Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist. So let's say she's number one
Speaker 1: on the list. What is she supposed to fucking do?
Speaker 1: Take all her fans on the plane with her.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Someone tell me you're gonna say I'm ignorant.
Speaker 2: Maybe I am. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The NFL pushed it a little, but they didn't. They
Speaker 1: made millions of dollars. The ratings were up so high,
Speaker 1: and they leaned all the way in. Men are starting
Speaker 1: to get aggravated because they want football back. Like I've
Speaker 1: heard a couple of men that I really like in
Speaker 1: respect that are like, okay, like I like it, and
Speaker 1: it's good for this and it's good for business, and
Speaker 1: tailor is good for the NFL. But like one guy
Speaker 1: on one of the tiktoks said, like it's the only
Speaker 1: fucking thing I had for myself. A lot of men
Speaker 1: are like, we don't need to cut the tailor every
Speaker 1: second during the game. The NFL does need to do
Speaker 1: that because it's bringing in viewers and they're selling merch
Speaker 1: and it's bringing in tens and hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Like it's a real number changer. She can move an economy.
Speaker 1: But men who just you know, want the remote and
Speaker 1: a beer and some wings are not loving the tailor effect.
Speaker 1: They just want their game back. I'm just hearing I
Speaker 1: heard Paul talking about it. He's like, all right, we
Speaker 1: did it, we got it. Let's can we have our
Speaker 1: game back. Beckham's reality show I didn't even know they
Speaker 1: were fucking real human beings. I thought there were wax
Speaker 1: figures or those little cake people on British wedding cakes,
Speaker 1: did not know they were real. It's almost like something
Speaker 1: i'm saving. I'm not the person that buys the outfit
Speaker 1: and wears it. The first day that I get it, like,
Speaker 1: I don't put it on and the next day some
Speaker 1: people do that, like you're that or you're not. On
Speaker 1: the opposite, I'm always like I have. This is my craziness.
Speaker 1: I save things so I like, I'll buy something that
Speaker 1: I think is phenomenal and it will not see the
Speaker 1: light of day, no exaggeration, for five years. It'll sit
Speaker 1: in my closet like just waiting its turn, like me
Speaker 1: with the mechal Like it's just waiting its turn. And
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about the Beckhams. I'm saving it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it. I'm not listening to
Speaker 1: anything about it. It's like the best piece of like cake.
Speaker 1: That's like I'm taking it out of the fridge. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get to room temperature. It's gonna glisten and
Speaker 1: then I'm going to take small bites. I don't want
Speaker 1: to devour it. I don't want to binge it. I
Speaker 1: don't want it to be over quickly. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I don't like when a good story or a good
Speaker 1: show is over quickly. I don't like when, like someone
Speaker 1: I know is like, oh my god, and I have
Speaker 1: a story about this person, but I'm like, no, hold on,
Speaker 1: where were you sitting?
Speaker 2: What were you wearing? What did you order? Like?
Speaker 1: I because I wanted to go slow. I don't want
Speaker 1: it to burn. I like thinks slow. So I will
Speaker 1: watch the Beckham thing like one minute at a time.
Speaker 1: I love saving, I'm savoring. I'm obsessed. Loved him waiting
Speaker 1: online to meet the Queen. Loved that she fucking looks
Speaker 1: like she's made of ice and doesn't give a good fuck.
Speaker 1: But like waited like another silent assassin, My silent assassins.
Speaker 1: Nikki Hilton, Princess Kate Anna Winter is the head, the
Speaker 1: hbic and silent assassin. I always want to call her
Speaker 1: pascous spice. It's not a diss, it's how I think
Speaker 1: of her. N Victoria Beckham. I've warned her dresses a
Speaker 1: million times, live for it, and I'm all you know,
Speaker 1: am as a fucking sound assassin too.
Speaker 2: I'm waiting.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed Kim forty five minutes late fashion Week. Interesting
Speaker 1: that shows will not that shows will wait and they
Speaker 1: get mad and Anna Winter doesn't like it, and that
Speaker 1: she's always early. I respect that, I think for her,
Speaker 1: like it'll fuck up her whole day of Dominoes in
Speaker 1: fashion week, and that makes sense, Like so she could
Speaker 1: be really aggravated, but you have to.
Speaker 2: You saw Anna ice Kim out.
Speaker 1: Because of the tardiness, and you kind of gotta respect
Speaker 1: Anna Wintour being the HBI c Oh, that's what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she and Martha.
Speaker 1: She's the hbic of all hbics. She is the head
Speaker 1: bitch and charge. And I have now decided. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I've hated on the Mecallen pass. I don't even know why.
Speaker 1: I mean, hate on everything. If you're gonna hate on that,
Speaker 1: it's all the same shit, like everything all a. Fashion
Speaker 1: Week has become marketing and social media and young influencers
Speaker 1: and who cares? Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Speaker 1: I want to go to the met Gala. I don't
Speaker 1: think I'll ever get invited, and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Is it because I go to TJ Max because Anna
Speaker 1: Wintur says that things that end up like she said
Speaker 1: Cerullian Blue, like goes down the chain.
Speaker 2: And I understand.
Speaker 1: I think I dress well when I want to, and
Speaker 1: I think I have good taste, and I think it's
Speaker 1: nice that I dress not for pretense for who I
Speaker 1: really am. And I think, like you know, I recite,
Speaker 1: I upcycle clothes and I'll wear something again, and I'm
Speaker 1: not about like putting on the whole head to toe
Speaker 1: logo of something, which I know designers hate. And Tom
Speaker 1: Ford has said that he hates when someone wears like
Speaker 1: his clothes the way it was on the runway, Like
Speaker 1: he appreciates more creativity and a lot of looks are
Speaker 1: inspired by like hipster on the street fashion. And I
Speaker 1: kind of do what I want. I don't beat to
Speaker 1: anyone's drum. I've never had stylist. I pulled something out
Speaker 1: of my own closet when I went to the Emmys.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I also don't borrow, and I would think Anna Winter
Speaker 1: would like that. I don't borrow. I find it grabby
Speaker 1: like cal Can. I borrow it the thing and they'll
Speaker 1: give it back like what I'm a boss bitch, I'm
Speaker 1: an HBI see like Anna Winter, you know what I do.
Speaker 1: And ask Fernando from Oscar to Lorenta because he always says,
Speaker 1: if you're going to that and you want to borrow something,
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you. I do it with Nikki
Speaker 1: all the time, and I'm like, I don't fucking borrow, bitch,
Speaker 1: I'll I don't test drive men I want to buy,
Speaker 1: and I don't test drive clothes, so I buy my
Speaker 1: own shit.
Speaker 2: So yes.
Speaker 1: Exception, Andy Cohinms supposed to get a Lifetime Achievement Award
Speaker 1: from MTV and so at the last minute, I guess
Speaker 1: he said no where he couldn't go, and so they
Speaker 1: gave the god damn trophy to me, the popcorn thing,
Speaker 1: which is hysterical because Andy like thought that was a
Speaker 1: big smoking gun, so did Teddy and Tamra, and I
Speaker 1: was like, who gives a fuck? All these awards are bought,
Speaker 1: and your Walk of Fame store, Andy is purchased, and
Speaker 1: so it's all bought. So what do I care you
Speaker 1: calling me? I get to go on stage and give
Speaker 1: a fake speech about a fake award and get attention
Speaker 1: of a reason of makeup. Count me fucking in raise
Speaker 1: my hand. So that was last minute. So and that
Speaker 1: was my exception that I called Fernando and he let
Speaker 1: me borrow a red dress that I wore, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't a dress that I would want, And if I
Speaker 1: wanted it, I would have said can I buy it after?
Speaker 1: Because I'm not looking to test drive and not buy.
Speaker 1: I'm not looking to fuck you and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: leave the next day like you're gonna want Moist's moving
Speaker 1: will be in the driveway. So if there's a dress
Speaker 1: that I want to borrow, which I never ever do
Speaker 1: except for that exception, I would want to know that
Speaker 1: then I could buy it because I don't want to
Speaker 1: put it on and have to take it off.
Speaker 2: And a same thing. It's why I don't barrow jewelry.
Speaker 2: Bar jewelry.
Speaker 1: It's gonna cost me one hundred thousand dollars and I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, Paul, please can I have it?
Speaker 2: So I buy.
Speaker 1: I would think Ada Winter would respect that I'm putting
Speaker 1: money into the fashion machine at all levels. I run
Speaker 1: the gamut from air mes priceless pieces down to fucking
Speaker 1: the dollar store, and I've bought stuff at the seven
Speaker 1: dollars store next to my own apartment. For that reason,
Speaker 1: I should. I want a lobby, and I want want
Speaker 1: to go to the met gala because I want to know.
Speaker 2: That I could land it.
Speaker 1: I seek approval. I care less about going inside. If
Speaker 1: I go inside, I don't need to sit with celebrities.
Speaker 1: I'd like to sit with executives. I'd like to sit
Speaker 1: with people like Ted Sarandos, like an Elon Musk type,
Speaker 1: like a Mark Zuckerberg type. He probably wouldn't go, But
Speaker 1: like you know, leaders of industry, I don't need to
Speaker 1: sit next to, you know, celebrities. It's not interesting to me.
Speaker 1: I'd like or I'd like to sit next to on
Speaker 1: a win tour. I mean, I'll tell I would take that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that you know no one wants to do that. Well,
Speaker 1: so my goals are lofty. I want to be next
Speaker 1: to powering power machines or film philanthropists, and I want
Speaker 1: to stick the landing with the red carpet. I think
Speaker 1: I could do it. I know, I think I think
Speaker 1: I know who my glam team would be. I'm not
Speaker 1: yet sure what I would wear. I wouldn't try to
Speaker 1: hit a fucking home run because I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: and wear like a leaning Tower of Pisa or giant
Speaker 1: like you know, Lady Gaga. I would know my place
Speaker 1: as on the very bottom of that list. But the
Speaker 1: way that I made it onto the Forbes List top
Speaker 1: hundred I was. I think I was a hundredth maybe
Speaker 1: ninety nine, but I was on the cover. But I
Speaker 1: fucking made it, I didn't.
Speaker 2: A win is a win. A win is a win.
Speaker 1: So if I got in there, I would dress for
Speaker 1: my stage in that place, but I could fucking nail it.
Speaker 2: So I want to go.
Speaker 1: To the Mecgala. I've decided, and I've done three hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars in relief work. I am about to change
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry forever in a way that I would
Speaker 1: think someone like goin a Wintour who's secretly or probably
Speaker 1: not so secretly in her circle, despises reality TV. She's
Speaker 1: no dumb dumb and she cashed the Kim and Kanye check.
Speaker 1: But I say what I said. Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner,
Speaker 1: everybody thinks they're an expert on it, and everyone says
Speaker 1: that the Queen of the North is winning and his
Speaker 1: pr machine placed a lot of things. Divorce is a
Speaker 1: long game. Sadly, they have been burned and they have
Speaker 1: quickly learned that you cannot fuck around with the tides.
Speaker 1: You cannot fuck around the ocean, and the media is
Speaker 1: the ocean, and it will drown you and you just
Speaker 1: have to roll with it. But you don't ever really
Speaker 1: know what's going on in a divorce.
Speaker 2: You don't know.
Speaker 1: We didn't know what was going on with Kelly Rutherford,
Speaker 1: the Mom and Gossip Girl, because we thought that the
Speaker 1: man was a villain and he did something wrong and
Speaker 1: they got divorced, and then all of a sudden she
Speaker 1: loses custody of her kids. Now I have no idea
Speaker 1: who's right and who's wrong. It doesn't matter. It means
Speaker 1: it's a long road. One person may choose to speak,
Speaker 1: the other person's team may say, do not say a
Speaker 1: goddamn word, and then you know, maybe the pendulum swings
Speaker 1: in their favor or the opposite, you know, like if
Speaker 1: you're a Chris Humphreys and Kim Kardashian and you're breaking up.
Speaker 1: Her machine was ready early and more powerful back in
Speaker 1: the day when everybody wasn't as media savvy, and you know,
Speaker 1: she got ahead of it like it is a game
Speaker 1: and a dance, but you just don't really know what's
Speaker 1: going on behind closed doors. You cannot possibly know, and
Speaker 1: even her friends and his friends can't possibly know. Everybody's
Speaker 1: playing fifty percent for the most part, in most situations
Speaker 1: short of illegal activity, short of stalking and harassment and
Speaker 1: things that are really problematic. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: most therapists think that most divorces are garden variety. Most
Speaker 1: divorces not. You know, Kelly Clarkson did not have a
Speaker 1: garden variety divorce. From what I understand, I can Tina
Speaker 1: Turner did not have a garden variety divorce. I did
Speaker 1: not have a garden variety divorce. And every divorce is painful,
Speaker 1: and every divorce is horrible and like a death. But divorce,
Speaker 1: by nature is hard, and it's hard to know if
Speaker 1: two people are decent human beings, if there's really anyone
Speaker 1: wrong right, it's not possible for us to discern what's
Speaker 1: going on behind closed doors in a divorce. There's just
Speaker 1: no way.
Speaker 2: You gotta let the whole thing play out.
Speaker 1: Later on, the truth comes out, and the villain's not
Speaker 1: always who you think the villain is.