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Speaker 3: And welcome back to in you. App was Matt Williams

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Speaker 3: and I'm Rob King. Trevor Sikamu is our guest from PFF.

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Speaker 3: But he's a lot of great stuff, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, energetic guy, really really dialed in, does a lot

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Speaker 2: of them. I mean he works year round on draft stuff.

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Speaker 2: So he's yeah, in his prime right now. Yeah, getting

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Speaker 2: pulled all directions today.

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Speaker 3: You know, And and we've we've talked about this and

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Speaker 3: I think it's worth talking about again that you know,

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Speaker 3: we believe that the Steelers, I believe the Steelers will

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Speaker 3: add three wide receivers, that's my belief. And and defensive

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Speaker 3: line was that position last year.

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Speaker 2: Do you think one will be a veteran?

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Speaker 3: I do. I think they'll get a veteran in free agency.

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Speaker 3: And then I think the question, the big question hanging

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe what we saw from Roman Wilson is

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Speaker 3: you know, he just the flashes, the fact that he

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Speaker 3: was taken in the third round, the fact that he

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Speaker 3: was a productive player. You know, he absolutely obviously missed

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Speaker 3: it an entire season. He's coming into his third year,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Out of getting quick. Yeah, yeah, this happens quick.

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Speaker 3: How is he perceived? You know, look, I would like

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Speaker 3: to be greedy and perceive him as a four, right

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Speaker 3: hope that he's more than that, because once again, how

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Speaker 3: do I deploy all these really good players is a

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Speaker 3: problem that every coach wants, right, not just boy, you know,

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Speaker 3: looking around wondering who which one of these guys? Do

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Speaker 2: Of that ilk.

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Speaker 3: Well, now I need to get at least one high

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Speaker 2: That's the one I always just use for this example.

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Speaker 3: But again, the the nuance there is what is your

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm want to get back to Roman Wilson real

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Speaker 3: And again that's an excellent point because that probably hurt

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Speaker 2: Year, Oh, no doubt. I don't think they wanted him

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Speaker 3: Right, So Calvin Austin, you know, gets healthy and I

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Speaker 3: But hey, who do we want to play out there? Well?

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Speaker 2: Again, And Danny Smith's like, I really need Connor Hayward

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Speaker 2: and frankly, I have more hope for Wilson. I think

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Speaker 2: I have more hope for Wilson than I do Caleb Johnson.

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Speaker 2: But I'd love those two together all the time because

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Speaker 3: I also think that I would be I would think

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Speaker 2: That's a great point. You need a lot of You're

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Speaker 3: And thanks very much for being back with us in

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis here at the NFL Combine twenty twenty six. Exciting times.

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Speaker 3: Love to have all these guests that you know, I've

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Speaker 3: brought along. Greg Cosell, fran Duffy just at Jack Sikama,

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Speaker 3: not Jack Sickma, Trevor, but yeah, Jack Sikamau Jack. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: memory early eighties, right, But Trevor, Trevor wonderful and bringing

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Speaker 3: And then you then you go into A ball, then

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and what if.

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Speaker 3: That coaching staff just isn't very good at developing players.

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Speaker 3: I would think it would be a little bit. I

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Speaker 3: mean again, if you're looking at twenty two year olds

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Speaker 3: they just didn't do that good of a job of developing, Right,

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Speaker 2: Pick on coaches and scouts go back and forth all time.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm not trying to pick on the Bengals here

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Speaker 3: because the story is not written yet for all those

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Speaker 3: they've changed coordinators and it still has remained an issue.

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Speaker 2: And I think the coordinator change the specifics of it

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Speaker 2: you know, they blame him for everything, you know, and

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Speaker 2: And he had a good year with them. But they

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Speaker 2: simplify the defense. But nothing got any better, and none

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Speaker 3: Right, right, And so then you know that it's it's

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Speaker 3: of course, you know, look, I also think that good

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Speaker 3: Michael Jordan's gonna be good no matter who he's playing. Sure,

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Speaker 2: I remember, Tom, I'm saying that a lot like scheme

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Speaker 2: fits important but great players. That's right, yeah, right, right?

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Speaker 3: how great you are, you are now to have to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And what's interesting to me is you inherit a

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Speaker 2: You know, as this staff as opposed to what you inherit. Right,

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Speaker 3: Agreed and to Mike McCarthy's credit. He said that at

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Speaker 2: Yep, but I am curious what style they choose, you know, like, boy,

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Speaker 2: this is the great stuff, but I didn't pick any

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Speaker 2: of it. One thing you said, I went to harpoon downly.

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Speaker 2: You and I have had this conversation, but a big

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Speaker 2: can't do this exactly. I just had this conversation yesterday. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's just tell me what they can do exactly. That's

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Speaker 3: Exactly, you know. And and I do think that the

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Speaker 3: with you because I've talked to other scouts and other

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Speaker 3: It's easy to go into a meeting and say, yea,

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Speaker 3: he can't do this, can't do that because you're not

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Speaker 3: you know, and then if it doesn't work, I told

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Speaker 3: you do. You want somebody who's got conviction about a

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Speaker 3: be okay, what doesn't he do right? That does have

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Speaker 3: to be part of the conversation, and then the coaching

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Speaker 3: for example, we keep bringing up Casey conceptsi on because

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Speaker 3: But then you bring up to hey, he's had some

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Speaker 3: able to have the conviction of a scout of this is.

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Speaker 3: This is why we want to pick him. But the

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Speaker 3: caveats too. You have to be able to fix this

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the things he does wrong are they fixable

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: Right? Right, right? Right? He's small and slow, that's not

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Speaker 3: him into six to one if.

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Speaker 2: He's five, you know, I mean, Bryce Young is going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think that's a great point and a

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Speaker 2: you know, Oh for sure, yeah, for sure, it's not

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Speaker 3: who's our guest, brought up the how do you how

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Speaker 3: does his coaching staff view DK metcalf? Do they view

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Speaker 3: him as a point as a guy who can is

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Speaker 3: going to be moved around in an emotion? Okay, if

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Speaker 3: that's the case, then maybe you're out looking for a

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Speaker 3: true ex at Denzel Boston type. If you think he's

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Speaker 3: your ex. Now, maybe you're looking for more of that

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Speaker 3: that quicker slot guy, more of a of a casey

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Speaker 3: conception of a slot, but just a quicker you know, think, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know Zay Flowers or Aman Ross, Saint Brown or

442
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Speaker 3: somebody like that. You're looking for the opposite to that,

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Speaker 3: and I don't.

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Speaker 2: And makes it more complex from where we sit is

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Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how this coaching staff to use them,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like Metcal's a great examples Like, yeah,

447
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Speaker 2: he's big and strong. You would think he just put

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Speaker 2: them on the line. And he's the old school, you know,

449
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Speaker 2: man beater, and he's proven he's good at that. But

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Speaker 2: what if we move him around and do a lot

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Speaker 2: of other things too, you know what I mean, make

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Speaker 2: him more of a movable chess piece and we can

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Speaker 2: add a Boston that can be the X. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we were maximizing both players by doing that.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe that's an intriguing conversation in itself, because

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Speaker 3: now I start thinking about, you know, one of the

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Speaker 3: true assets dk metcalf as he can runs. He's a

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Speaker 3: big man, but he can fly and so how many

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Speaker 3: times did we see him getting open on drag routes

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Speaker 3: across the middle, leaving the defender behind him, and.

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Speaker 2: That's where he wins. He went to catch point along.

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Speaker 3: So so maybe he is more of that guy you

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Speaker 3: know he starts to starts to make you think about that.

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Speaker 3: But fresh set of eyes, there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 3: of nuances to the roster, a lot of little different

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Speaker 3: changes that could very well, I think will not could

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Speaker 3: very well. Will affect what they do in free agency

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Speaker 3: and will affect what they do.

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Speaker 2: In the draft, absolutely, And it's one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: things about this time of year. It's one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite things about my job is teams never lie in

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Speaker 2: free agency, and they never lie in the draft. They

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Speaker 2: lie all the rest of the year. Oh we love

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Speaker 2: this guy, all right, but when they have to put

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Speaker 2: money or draft picks or assets, if you're smart enough

476
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Speaker 2: to read the tea leave and think as they think.

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Speaker 2: You learn so much about the team and the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Over my whole career of working for the network, I've

479
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Speaker 2: kind of had a feel for what they're looking for.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm excited to learn how they see the game.

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Speaker 2: This staff, you know, what I mean, he's Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I'm Rob King. We are in Indianapolis at the Indiana

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Speaker 3: Convention Center, attached to Lucas Oil Field, where guys are

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Speaker 3: out getting right. We're seeing on the TV right now

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Speaker 3: getting out there, getting ready for some drills that are

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Speaker 3: going to be taking place today as them kind of

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Speaker 3: ramps up with that portion of things. We're going to

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Speaker 3: continue our coverage here on Steelers Nation Radio and the

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Speaker 3: Steeler's Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: This is live coverage of that twenty twenty six NFL

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Speaker 1: combine on Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back to Indianapolis, says, we continue our coverage

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Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty six combine, and I wanted to

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Speaker 3: thank our guest Trevor Sikkima from PFF if you missed

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Speaker 3: Trevor here with Matt Williamson by the way, and Wes

497
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Speaker 3: Euler getting ready for his continuing coverage here as he

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Speaker 3: takes a brief respite before he joins us again. But

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Speaker 3: you know, breaking down the wide receiver position and the

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Speaker 3: safety position, offensive tackle position, all of which I think

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Speaker 3: Matt are are not only potential targets but likely targets,

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Speaker 3: wide receiver, offensive tackle, safety, yes.

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Speaker 2: If what are your feelings on Ramsey's future. I think

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Speaker 2: he'll be back, don't get me wrong. But do you

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Speaker 2: think he's slot instead of.

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Speaker 3: Free I think right now?

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Speaker 2: I mean that was the original plan.

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Speaker 3: You're right, I think right now, barring uh, the acquisition

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Speaker 3: of a safety and free agency, he's a safety, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just there's just nobody to make Well, that's.

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Speaker 2: The thing is I think you're drafting a safety, no

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Speaker 2: matter what I mean, just because right now you have

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Speaker 2: Elliott and Bashi Castro.

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Speaker 3: That's your safety. That's it. If right, that's it. That's

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Speaker 3: that's it. And and you look at corner. You have Ramsey,

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Speaker 3: but you have Joey Porter, right uh and Joey's done

517
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Speaker 3: a phenomenal job.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah right.

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Speaker 3: I mean I expect a contract extension probably for him.

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Speaker 3: And then you have Brandon Eccles, who I think, in

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Speaker 3: an ideal world maybe he's that fourth corner.

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Speaker 2: And that's what he was in camp opened last year. Yep.

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Speaker 3: And a good special teamer, a good guy to have

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Speaker 3: on your football team.

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Speaker 2: And then he would not benefit from Ramsey going to slot, obviously, No,

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Speaker 2: he would get umoted.

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Speaker 3: Right, he would be demoted, but he's he played slot.

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Speaker 3: I think I thought he quitted himself well in the

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Speaker 3: slot position.

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Speaker 2: No, I think he's a valuable piece. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Again, if you're looking at Joey Porter, you know, if

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Speaker 3: I'm building a roster, I'm I'm Joey Porter Junior. If

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Speaker 3: you tell me he's my number one corner, I'm fine

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Speaker 3: with that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm gonna give him money money accordingly.

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Speaker 3: Right, you tell me Brandon Echles is my fourth? Fine? Yes,

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Speaker 3: And then you're you're looking at you know, not only fine,

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Speaker 3: but very good. I think then you're looking at you know,

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Speaker 3: that's how you draw it up. Four, that's right. Then

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Speaker 3: you have Corey Trice, Dante Kent can of course hurt,

541
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Speaker 3: was hurt all last year. Corey Trice. You know there

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Speaker 3: there's split opinions on whether you bring him back. He's

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Speaker 3: got a one point two million dollar contra fact. He's

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Speaker 3: shown so much in his short flashes. Of course those

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Speaker 3: flashes have been agonizingly brief because of his injuries.

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Speaker 2: But but counting on him is crazy.

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Speaker 3: You can't count on them. But man, they don't. They

548
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Speaker 3: don't make a lot of guys.

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Speaker 2: That look like him, you know what I mean, I

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Speaker 2: want him in camp.

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Speaker 3: That's the way I feel about it. And so now right,

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Speaker 3: I I totally agree. And then so so when you

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Speaker 3: look at you know, the Sante Samuel and James Pierre

554
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Speaker 3: would be your would be your next two guys. So

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Speaker 3: I think you can't have a discussion about Jalen Ramsey

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Speaker 3: without discussing what do you have at cornerback? Right and

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Speaker 3: so and and what are you going to do in

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Speaker 3: free agency? There are a couple of safeties in free

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Speaker 3: agency that would intrigue me that we can get to

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Speaker 3: in a moment.

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Speaker 2: There's three or four coming off their first deal. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So and that's the other thing too, I think it's

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Speaker 3: I think this is all about this is all about

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Speaker 3: getting uh, getting guys in their first deal, right. And

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Speaker 3: then you know, I think the other the other question

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Speaker 3: you have to ask is a sign Samuel and James

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Speaker 3: Pierre and what do you think about them? You know,

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Speaker 3: this time last year, before he needed neck surgery, Sante

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Speaker 3: Samuel was widely considered a top twenty five free agent,

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Speaker 3: not a cornerback, top twenty five in the NFL as

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Speaker 3: a cornerback, and do you believe that, and you have

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Speaker 3: him in camping again, he might not want to come

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Speaker 3: back here. But if you were to resign him and

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Speaker 3: resign James Pierre and bring a trice In, a kent

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Speaker 3: In and maybe spend a third round pick a corner

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Speaker 3: now maybe more than en half Yeah, and then and

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Speaker 3: now maybe Jalen Ramsey's definitely a safety.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I almost think you have to make the

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Speaker 2: timeline to me is you have to make your Ramsey

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Speaker 2: decision now, safety or corner, because I need to know

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Speaker 2: where to use my free agent resources. Because frankly, if

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Speaker 2: if Ramsey's a corner, which I think suits him better,

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Speaker 2: I think I won him near the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: That's why you drafted or that's why you trade it

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Speaker 2: for him to begin with. I'm not saying he's going

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Speaker 2: to be Hamilton and or even, but I do think

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Speaker 2: you want that big nickel player now that could play

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Speaker 2: the run, that can blitz. And what complicates this back

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Speaker 2: to our last segment conversation is if it was last

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Speaker 2: year's coaching staff and scheme, I'd have a much better

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Speaker 2: feel for what's important to them. This one's a little

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Speaker 2: harder not to mention the defensive coordinator comes from a

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Speaker 2: team that didn't have any good players, you know, so

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Speaker 2: like he didn't give him any good ingredients to really

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Speaker 2: even know exactly what he's after. But I would lean

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Speaker 2: towards Ramsey's a slot, and I would absolutely be on

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Speaker 2: the phone with Pierre now. I mean, I'm interested in

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Speaker 2: Pierre as we speak, Samuel as well, but I'd be

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Speaker 2: more interested in Pierre. But that is now, you need

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Speaker 2: at least two safeties. I mean, I would love to

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Speaker 2: sign one from outside the organization, like Cross from Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: is one of my favorites. Kansas City's got.

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Speaker 3: A guy the Bryan Cook. Yeah, Bryant from Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they're all athletes, are all twenty seven,

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Speaker 2: right exactly. And then I'm using a third round pick

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Speaker 2: on a safety that can run, that's going to be

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Speaker 2: an awesome special teamer in year one, and maybe a

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Speaker 2: big nickel or my backup to both guys or whatever. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's easier to get safeties in corners, especially in the

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Speaker 2: free agient world.

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Speaker 3: Agree with both.

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Speaker 2: If I'm spending money, agree with both.

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Speaker 3: And I also think that if you then, now.

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Speaker 2: Member Trevor, say, this is a really good safety draft.

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Speaker 2: So let's not ignore where the pockets are deepest, right, you.

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Speaker 3: Know that also affects though, you know, and these are

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Speaker 3: all it's just you know, a bunch of dominoes falling.

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Speaker 3: So if you make the decision that you could make

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Speaker 3: the decision that Jalen Ramsey's a corner, right, and make

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Speaker 3: that decision and then be unable to acquire a safety

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Speaker 3: in free agency, you do have and now he's back

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Speaker 3: to being your safety, yeah yeah, or you just don't

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Speaker 3: like the price, you don't like the pid.

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Speaker 2: He's not an outside corner to me though, No.

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Speaker 3: No, no, he's a slock gay right, yeah, so he's

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Speaker 3: he's your slot guy, and and and so now if

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Speaker 3: you do that, okay, are you thinking, say your your

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Speaker 3: probably and then do you sign a safety? So to me,

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Speaker 3: if I sign a safety in free agency, now that

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Speaker 3: safety position is moved down to a third round type

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Speaker 3: of thing. Probably, yeah, Well you find the good value

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Speaker 3: there and maybe maybe corners the same way. Hey, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna get a guy, and maybe we find a guy

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Speaker 3: for that, you know, And now you can turn your

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Speaker 3: attention back to Okay, let's find the best defensive alignment.

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Speaker 3: Let's find the best wide receiver in the first two

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Speaker 3: rounds and that's a pretty good spot to be and

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Speaker 3: then maybe you use the other third round pick on

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Speaker 3: saying offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And the other approach too, could be like,

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Speaker 2: all right, we'll take two safeties in the fourth and

642
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Speaker 2: fifth round and if one hits cool, right, the other

643
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Speaker 2: one might just be a lifetime special teamer or you know,

644
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Speaker 2: take a couple of bites of the apple and because

645
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Speaker 2: we know it's deep.

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Speaker 3: Because if you sign that guy, it allows you the

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Speaker 3: capacity to do that. Now, the other thing, the other

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Speaker 3: position that I do think, you know, barring any kind

649
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Speaker 3: of other signings and free agency, that is going to

650
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: need to be addressed is inside linebacker. You know, I

651
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: think Patrick Queen's going in to the final year of

652
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Speaker 3: his deal. He is mistaken, so he's in the final

653
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Speaker 3: year of his deal. Peyton Wilson's got two more years left.

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Speaker 2: He's got his third and fourth year.

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Speaker 3: Yep, third and fourth years left. Now, whether they're going

656
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Speaker 3: to bring back Malie Harrison at six point eight, I

657
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: don't know. Carson Carson Brunner has been a special teams guy.

658
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: Cole Holcome's contract is up. Yeah, I don't know how

659
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: they feel about Carson Brunner. And again it's a new

660
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: coaching staff coming in and you know, seeing can you

661
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Speaker 3: develop him into a rotational piece and inside linebacker? Is

662
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: he more of a core for special teamer? By the way,

663
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Speaker 3: he loves playing special teams at a conversation, he loves

664
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Speaker 3: it and he's good at it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's I think he's Matty Kaevich killer brew. Yeah,

666
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Speaker 2: he's good at it, and I think he'll be your

667
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: you're all pro special team guy and for the next

668
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: ten years type of right. But I don't think you

669
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Speaker 2: count on them for defense.

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Speaker 3: So now do you? And again you talk about you know,

671
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Speaker 3: mining where they've found gold and not, you know, not

672
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Speaker 3: going off on your own somewhere. This draft, you know,

673
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Speaker 3: Trevor was telling us this draft is deep at that

674
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Speaker 3: inside linebacker position, right, so.

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Speaker 2: You know those positions is mid round picks are immediately

676
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: gonna help on special teams. Right. That's not a guard

677
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: you take and just it doesn't even see the field

678
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Speaker 2: except for a field.

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Speaker 3: Goal block or true, because because that's another interesting position

680
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Speaker 3: special teams. We haven't even talked about that, you know,

681
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Speaker 3: because if if you don't bring back Pierre well he

682
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: was a very good special team for you players.

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Speaker 2: Or if he's your starting corner, right, you want him

684
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: to be your gunner, right, yeah, right, that's asking.

685
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Speaker 3: A lot, right, it is, it is asking a lot.

686
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: So again, all these different conversations, and you know, I

687
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: think we can see, you know, what puzzle pieces need

688
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: to be. You know, we we've got we've got eighty

689
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: percent of a puzzle, right and we're trying to fit

690
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Speaker 3: in the other twenty percent. Yeah, and we can see

691
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: where those you know. To me, it is it's guard,

692
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Speaker 3: potentially offensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: I'm definitely taking some sort of tackle, yeah, from tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Right. But but again I'm not going to rank how

695
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Speaker 3: high they are right right right, I'm going to say

696
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Speaker 3: wide receiver, offensive guard, offensive tackle. On offense, you know, potent.

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Speaker 3: If you don't sign Kenny Game, Weell running backs probably

698
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Speaker 3: got to be in there summer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they need a tight end. I don't

701
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Speaker 3: be shocked they right, unless you find somebody you also

702
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Speaker 3: super exactly.

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Speaker 2: There's like twenty seven tight ends here and usually there's

704
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: like eighteen. Right.

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Speaker 3: And then on defense, I think it's more about finding

706
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: the right mix in the back end. And then also

707
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: finding uh, you know, old school Steelers value of guys

708
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: that can that can help, who have upside. And again,

709
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: if you see a if you see that great player

710
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Speaker 3: at inside linebacker, if you see that great player at

711
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: defensive tackle, maybe you're taking him higher than people think.

712
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: But I think those are you know, what they call

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00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 3: the quote unquote luxury picks at those positions. But again,

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Speaker 3: I'd love to put yourself in a position to enjoy

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Speaker 3: that luxury.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Last thing I have mentioned, though, is so much

717
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: of this will clear up in the next coming weeks

718
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: because they'll bring back I mean, free agency really opens

719
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Speaker 2: a week from Monday, and that's when the tampering period.

720
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Speaker 2: You start to see all the signings and all that

721
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: they're gonna bring back two of their own. It will

722
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: be like game Well and Ciamalu or Pierre and Cmalu

723
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you'll be like, okay, check those boxes.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, those needs change, and I bet

725
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Speaker 2: they add two or three non stealer veterans in free

726
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: agent two one of those safeties or a different guard

727
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: or whatever. Then all of a sudden, the picture becomes

728
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: way clear, way clear, way clear, and you learn things

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00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: super fast.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right. And I and I you know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Uh you know, like I said, I've used this analogy.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like being in a class in college

733
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Speaker 3: and you know, we're we're reaching the you know, we're

734
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Speaker 3: going to reach the finals. Uh, you know, the final

735
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: exams coming up at the end of April, and we

736
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Speaker 3: have to remember what we learned back in week one

737
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Speaker 3: of the five because we're here talking about all these

738
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Speaker 3: different players and some of those which is what.

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Speaker 2: They're doing too, and what every team's doing. Absolutely absolutely,

740
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Speaker 2: we're gonna build a puzzle. It's gonna get full. But

741
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Speaker 2: what's the best way to build a puzzle?

742
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Speaker 3: Exactly? And it's a to me, it's a you know,

743
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Speaker 3: just a fascinating procedure and it's so fun to be

744
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Speaker 3: here at the heart of it.

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Speaker 2: And I think they want to take advantage of linebacker, safety,

746
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Speaker 2: wide receiver in the draft because that's what's given you

747
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Speaker 2: you know.

748
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Speaker 3: And and last year, you know, right, last year was

749
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Speaker 3: D line and running back.

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00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And we saw them and their.

751
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Speaker 3: First two picks on a D lineman and running yeah.

752
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's somewhat of an art, but it is

753
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 2: also not that complicated to set yourself up to fish

754
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: in the deepest waters on draft.

755
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: Day, somewhere between finger painting and Picasso. But it is art.

756
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Speaker 2: You got also a dozen picks. We're gonna have this

757
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: conversation a couple of weeks and be like, boy, they

758
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: filled all these spots on the roster of guys. You

759
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: know we're going to make the team. Why not take

760
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Speaker 2: an extra safety in the fifth round or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Well, the other fascinating part is you can look at that, uh,

762
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Speaker 3: you know, draft capital. I prefer draft picks. You know,

763
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Speaker 3: when we start to come up with these new phrases

764
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: draft capital, can we just call them draft picks? Probably

765
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: a good way, but I I can't just I like,

766
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Speaker 3: I like draft picks. So they've got a lot of

767
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: draft picks. The question is what will you do with that?

768
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Speaker 3: Will you?

769
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: And And it's easy to say, oh, we'll just trade

770
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: up or we'll trade down, we'll trade for future picks.

771
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Speaker 2: But someone's got to give you their future picks to

772
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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 3: You know. The thing is everybody wants to get next

774
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: year's draft. It's like, uh, it's it's like, uh the matrix, right.

775
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: Keanu reeves he's got to be open to all things right,

776
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: He's got it.

777
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: You got it.

778
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: You've got to sit there and be like, let's listen.

779
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: We can move up and use a third we can.

780
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: We don't like what we have, we could potentially move back.

781
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: We can maybe start thinking about do we maneuver some

782
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: of this stuff around and try to get better selections

783
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 3: next year?

784
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: We might want to trade up for a quarterback. There's

785
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: a lot of it. You're gonna be the only one

786
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: thinking that way. No, No, and the Jets are going

787
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: I want all the picks I can for next year

788
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: because I had need even arch banning.

789
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a trade down. I think somebody one

790
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: of the people on with us called it, or I

791
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: don't know it was you and I talking again. So

792
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: many conversations a year in which trading down is gonna

793
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: sound good two teams, Well that means it's gonna sound

794
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: good to every team, not just your team.

795
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 2: And no one's trading up for a quarterback. Right, that's right? Yeah,

796
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: that's right.

797
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: So so much to get to, and so much still

798
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: to get to. A fascinating time of year here at

799
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Speaker 3: the at the Combines in Indianapolis. Combine in Indianapolis, on

800
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Speaker 3: Steve's Nation Radio, Matt Williamson stepping aside.

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Speaker 2: TEA come back for the drive. Yeah, I'll be here too, Okay,

802
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: Wes and I bring it on home.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough. West West team is going to be

804
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Speaker 3: joining me next We continue on Steers Nation Radio, part

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Speaker 3: of the Steelers Audio Network